Episode 9. Robert talks with turkey call maker Eddie Palmer.

Eddie Palmer long time turkey hunter. Eddies been making wing bone turkey calls since his dad passed on the tradition.  Eddie almost had a doctor take his colon not realizing his symptoms was caused  from Alpha gal. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Welcome to the Alpha Gamma Outdoorsman Podcast, where we talk all things Alpha Gamma and all things outdoors. Everything from hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, canoeing, kayaking, jeeping, off-roading, even gardening. I'm your host, Robert Worley. All right, guys, real quick before we get started into our podcast today, I got a great guest for you. Um when uh I recorded this a few days ago, this podcast with Eddie. Eddie Palmer's my guest today. Um, and um when I turned the zoom call off, I hit the record button and turned it off. Him and I ended up talking about 10 minutes. And man, it was like some information come to light that just blew my mind. And um we had to get off, we got off the zoom call, and it has bothered me. And I sat down to do some editing to get this uh podcast put together for you, and I just couldn't do this podcast without getting him back to so. What I've done was I just made a quick phone call to him. I got the audio, I'm gonna patch it in at the end um so you get to hear what what the end is like. So, with no further ado. All right, welcome back to another episode of AlphaGout Doorsman. As your intro just said, I am your host, Robert Worley. Um got the only got one announcement today, got a good guest on here. I'm really excited. I've been looking forward to this one for a while now, right in the middle of Turkey Bonanza. But before we get going here, uh House Bill 578 has passed the House of Representatives in the state of Ohio. It passed 88 to 1, and supposedly the one congressman that voted no uh thought she was voting on a different bill according to my congressman. She called him and said, I'm sorry I voted no. So uh it should have been 89 to zero, uh unanimous, but nevertheless, it passed 88 to 1, and now the bill goes into the Senate and Ohio, we get to start all over again. So April 15th, I'll be making my way back to the courthouse or the uh state house in Columbus. We'll be walking the halls and trying to talk to our senators and uh getting House Bill 578 turned to law. So without any further ado, my today's guest is a uh uh a big turkey uh hunter, a a uh uh turkey call maker, wingbone turkey callmaker. Um uh Eddie, uh thanks for coming on today. Uh say hello to everybody. Hello, everyone. So tell us a little about yourself, Eddie, where you live and uh you know what you do for a living and that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

I live in uh southwest Georgia. I am a technical support person for a HBAC distributor. Uh been doing HBAC for 35 years. Um a turkey hunter. I am a deer hunter, but turkey hunting is the most important. Uh have two daughters. Uh my oldest has hunted, had never had a desire to harvest an animal. My youngest daughter is uh my number one turkey hunting partner.

SPEAKER_03 3:12

That's awesome. That's awesome. So, Eddie, you um you how long have you had uh Alpha Gal?

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Officially diagnosed June of 2018. Okay. Uh we my allergist and I assume that I have possibly had it for much, much longer because of um symptomatic issues I've had over the years, and uh we think that the June of 2018 is what pushed it over the edge.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

I gotcha. Okay. So um during that time though, you had been bit, you ain't been just bit once. You had been bit numerous times, Sal.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Um over the year sometimes I am from up near Augusta and uh heavy, heavy tick population, uh primarily lone star. Yeah, and uh I've gotten hundreds off of me at the that were attached.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Um so but I had issues with primarily pork uh over the years, and uh June 2018 um had full-blown anaphylaxis. Um fortunately I had uh shot sporting clothes with a doctor several years before, and uh during the course of the weekend he says, if you ever have a bad allergic reaction, take both Famodidine and Benadryl. And uh I had the hives and the gastrointestinal issues, yeah, uh severe hives, and uh so this is at 12 30 a.m. I get out of bed and some way remember uh take uh two from motodine, two benodril, go back to bed, and uh sometimes thereafter I thought my CPAP had stopped working. Actually, looking back, it was my airways closing up. But I took two more benadrill, two more from motodine. Uh never woke my wife up and uh should have called 911, but that fortunately I'm here today. Yeah. Uh by the grace of God.

SPEAKER_03 5:32

It's um it's uh fortunate you uh shooting clays with that doctor uh there, huh?

SPEAKER_00 5:37

And how do you remember it after all those years? You know, I know, right?

SPEAKER_03 5:43

Yeah, yeah. One of them moments for sure. So is that the only time you've been into anaphylactic?

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Um severe. Yeah. I have um I had a fairly severe reaction to rumicade. Um, but I was at the clinic getting an infusion at the time, so they had everything there to uh to offset. Uh reacted to the shingles vaccine, um reacted to Humara, but mild mildly, uh slight rash, a little airway tightness, yeah, but nothing, nothing really, really severe.

SPEAKER_03 6:24

So do you eat any meat now? I mean, uh are you just like the rest of us, fins and feathers?

SPEAKER_00 6:29

Fins and feathers, brother.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Yep, that's us, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

And that's um I had to set the uh acupuncture. Yeah, yeah. Um have not had nerve enough to see if it worked, but yeah. But I I tried it. Um went to see the acupuncturists, did it, ran the whole routine, but have never tried anything.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

Did it make can you can you tell if it made a difference for you? Even not trying to meat?

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Uh I don't know that it I that I could tell. I got uh uh my allergist and I had discussed me trying venison because of the lack of fat. And uh German study that indicated that the fats in the meat were what the trigger was for the alpha gap.

SPEAKER_04 7:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

And uh, of course, my numbers had gone from uh almost 69 down to a 2.4, and uh got a tick shot back to 27, second tick 37, and he told me not to try the meat, and I'm uh I'm good with that.

SPEAKER_03 7:39

Yeah, yeah. I miss it. One thing I do miss is the venison. Uh I don't miss, I do miss bacon and beef, but man, that hurts my feelings when I go to that freezer and I can't pull that deer loin out, you know. Um, so 2018 you were diagnosed. Um had you been seeing the doctor having reactions and not knowing what it was?

SPEAKER_00 8:04

Uh had never discussed it with a doctor um for many years. It seemed to be heart related. Um, I would have, I call it contact hives. Um the burning of the skin, and if you burning and itching, and if you scratched, it would whelp severely. Uh had a little gastrointestinal issue, but just assumed that it was I don't know what I assumed it was, never um just pork related to the pork, you know. Yeah, but it was all looking back, it was always pork. And uh when I had my bad reaction, I had had pork the night before.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Fortunately, um my allergist was familiar with uh with Alpha Gal. I told him my symptoms and what I had eaten, and uh, and he caught it. Um I think at the time there were less than 5,000 cases.

SPEAKER_03 9:05

Yeah. And uh it's crazy how many now, ain't it?

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Well, it's um the medical profession is is becoming educated on it.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

I was in uh I was in a wreck uh August of 18, and uh in the emergency room they said, are you allergic to anything? I said uh mammal meats. And uh the doctor said, What's that? You know, and uh and and I think that was the majority of the medical field at that time. Uh nobody knew.

SPEAKER_03 9:40

Yeah, it still is where I live. You can't you can't find a doctor here. I live in southern Ohio, and you can't find a doctor Harley that knows what it is.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Um August, I guess it was in August of 18. Um, I had been diagnosed with ulceracolitis in 2007.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

And uh I had the reaction in June. I started having a UC flare in August. Yeah, and uh I don't know how I found um something on Facebook about Alpha Gal, but uh I made the comment if there's hope, help. And uh Sharon, I don't remember her last name, started sending me these articles.

SPEAKER_03 10:28

Yeah, Sharon Forsett.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Yes, yeah, uh, she sent me these articles from the uh uh gastroenterology journal.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

And uh so I go to my gastroenterologist and said, and I had asked, could there possibly be a possibility of a correlation between the two? Oh no, no, no. Well, um through dietary changes and some things that um primarily dietary changes, I was still doing dairy and uh dairy, yeah, primarily. Yeah, and um the short version is um I suffered for three and a half years with this UC flare. Uh we tried Remicade, we tried Humera, we tried an uh anti-rejection medication that had me on a walker within 18 days. Oh and uh the last thing he tells me is uh if this last medication doesn't work, we got to remove your colon. Uh so before you take this, you need need to get the shingles vaccine. So I take the shingles vaccine, and uh on Friday, April 30th, I had started the emuran on May the 1st of the year before. That was the anti-rejection drug.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

Um, my son-in-law and I were going turkey hunting on May the 1st, and I told him, I said, I'm gonna wait. I don't want to tempt fate, I'll wait and start that new drug uh tomorrow. Well, I had a mild reaction to the shingles vaccine, a little airway issue.

SPEAKER_04 12:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

Uh took the Fomoda Dean, the Benadryl, Oswell, and uh then I find the articles from Sharon and uh never started this last drug. Uh still have my colon. Um, and um I'm living a normal life today. Son, you talking about a close call. That's a close well we assume, we um my allergist and I assume that uh I have the gastrointestinal variant of Alpha Gauss syndrome that Dr. Comens had discovered. Yeah. So you know how do you how do you know? Um I don't know that there's a test to tell, but I have not taken uh anything from my ulcer colitis in over two years, and I'm having no trouble.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

So Sharon is the one that um helped me get uh the House Bill 578 underway. Okay, so um uh uh she's trying to get it in all 50 states to where if you go to the doctor or you go to the allergist and you get diagnosed with Alpha Gow syndrome, it's it would be a mandatory reportable disease like uh Lyme disease or Rocky Mountain spotted fever or or so many other major diseases. If you go and you get diagnosed, it's mandatory reported. We can't, and there's only like 13 states, and it might be 15 now, because I know Kentucky and West Virginia just jumped on, but um you we can't we don't know the numbers if we don't if the doctors don't report how many cases there is, how do we know how many there is? And then on top of that, we can't ask for funding, we can't get education for doctors, or we can't simply erase awareness if we don't have the numbers. So House Bill 578 in Ohio will make mandatory reporting um for Alpha Gauss syndrome in the state. So um I'll I I'll tell you how this happened. I'll I'll make it quick here. Uh last October, I think it was last, no, it was sometime late summer, early fall last year. Um, I listened to a uh a webinar with Sharon Forsip about mandatory reporting in each state and how they were trying to make it happen. Well, I live my congressman lives just a county over. He owns a business that's close to my business. You know, we're both lawn care and tree care, you know. So I had his phone number. I just called him on the phone and said, hey, um, you know, what about this? He said, I'll call you back in a few minutes. He called me back. He put me in touch with the uh state of Ohio health chair of the committee of the state of Ohio. And um, lo and behold, within a week they had the bill written, submitted, and um, it's a slow, slow process. That was back then, and it just passed on March the 17th, I think, was the vote, or March 18th was the vote. So it took that long just to get through the House of Representatives. Um, but I know that uh you're in Georgia. There is a young lady down there that um I had on my third episode, um and coming up next year in 2027, late 20, this year, late this year and early next year, they're gonna try to get a uh bill in the house for Georgia to make it mandatory reporting. But you guys are in a hot zone down there. It should be.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

Uh it's not really bad in this area I'm in. Um when you move north and east up into uh what's known as the Central Savannah River area. Um terrible, terrible ticks. I have gone years down here and not gotten a tick. Uh 2018, I I wound up with 12 or 13 that year. Um my wife wanted to go hunting on the last day of the season. Um, and uh we get back, and I got the itch. And any I don't know about everybody else, but uh tick has a distinctive itch to me. And uh he was right here on my bicep uh six weeks later, I had my reaction. Uh I had gotten Lyme disease uh well now it's been about 15 years from a tick here in my yard walking my dog. I live right on the edge of a big swamp.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Um but awareness is uh awareness in the medical field is what's gonna be key to making any any um advancements and doing anything about this.

SPEAKER_03 17:28

100%. And that's what that's what Sharon's trying to do, get it, you know, get mandatory reporting across the board. Um Lime and Rocky Mountain spotted fever already are. So, like in Ohio, they just tacked on, you know, House Bill 578 just tax on Alpha Gal to Lime and Rocky Mountain spotted fever. So it doesn't, it's not like it's an expense, it's not like it cost any more money. Plus, it's just a click of the button on the computer. Uh doctor gets the gets the test results and literally, you know, send, you know, it's almost that easy. So um to get these laws passed like that is really going to help raise awareness, really. Now, I will say this. So I live in southwest Ohio and it's just not heard of. Um, I got a hunting camp in eastern Kentucky, and um it's it's running rampant down there. I mean, I had somebody tell me a few weeks ago that 30% of Wolf County has got Alpha Gal. Now, I don't that number's crazy high to me, but um, I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Possible.

SPEAKER_03 18:42

It's absolutely so we was, and that was her point. I thought, man, that's a crazy number. And she said, we was in this restaurant, she said, look around how many people's in here. And I don't know, there's maybe 50 or 60 people. And I didn't 90% of them I didn't know. And I knew like six people in there that had it, and I didn't know 50 other people that was in there. So she very well could be right, you know. Um, so we're just a couple of the unlucky ones, Eddie. We're a couple of the unlucky ones.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

What what uh fascinated me, I guess, was and and it may have been uh on your Facebook, but uh if you have Alpha Gail, what have you done? And and almost everyone said I stopped all outdoor activity. Well, yeah, it's uh it's a little pointless to stop the activity once you got the bug.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

Yeah. Um, and and uh I have a deal with my doctor that I I keep a uh a current blood draw form, and when I get a tick, I wait the six weeks and I go and we we we see what that what the antibodies are doing. Uh I'm a guinea pig, but uh yeah, you know, I don't mind being the guinea pig.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

I don't I don't know what the end result would be with this, but uh but back to the Kentucky, I had uh I've been going out west with a group of guys for a few years, and they decided to go to Missouri and Kentucky last year, turkey hunting.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:20

And uh my buddy Jason had been to Kentucky back sometime in the 90s. No, he had been to Missouri in the 90s, and he said that you could literally see the ticks coming across the ground to you, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Uh in Missouri, and I have seen uh some honey uh YouTube hunting shows where the ticks in Kentucky were just it was unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Uh so I didn't want to risk it. So uh my daughter and son-in-law and and I went back to South Dakota.

SPEAKER_03 20:56

Yeah, I got you. I like it out west. I sure do like it out west.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

I love I love I love those uh the Black Hills. I fell in love with those my first trip out, and uh as long as I'm able to uh climb those mountains and chase Miriams turkeys, I'm gonna try to do it every year. We're going to Washington and Idaho this year. So are you? And there is that is that all Mirians out there? Uh actually, southeastern Washington is Rios. And we cross into Idaho for the Miriams. And uh, and two of my buddies that that are going have already gotten their Osceola. So they'll have a chance for a single season slam.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

Yeah, nice. Yeah. So I'm gonna one of these days I'm gonna do that. I it's hard for me to do right now with my work schedule, but one of these days I'm gonna go for the for the is that the grand slam, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:51

Yeah, the single season grand slam. Yep, I have everything but osceola. Um and actually until I killed my Miriams. I never considered it. Yeah. And uh now that I only lack hit, and I'm two hours from Florida. I've started applying for some limited draw hunts.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

Yeah. I hope you get it for sure. Yeah, so uh that's let's get on to some turkey hunting. That's what that's the whole that was what I've been excited about here. So your seasons you came in last weekend, is that right? 28th. 28th.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

28th or 29th, yes. Yeah. Uh I'm in day today was day six.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

You get uh two birds, you get how many birds you get down there?

SPEAKER_00 22:37

We get two. Two, okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:38

Yeah. Any luck over the weekend?

SPEAKER_00 22:42

Um have only been in around jakes. Uh in in six days, I've uh encountered ten jakes. I caught up a group of five this morning.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

Is that right?

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

But uh nothing uh nothing long bearded so far. Yeah, I got you. I hunt most every morning before work.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

Now, are you using an old Turk wing bone turkey call? Uh every morning. Every morning. I love that. I'm I'm I've been practicing with this thing and I'm not real good at it yet. Uh I got them two from you and I gave one to my dad. It took me like it probably took me 20 minutes to get it to make a noise. But but after I got going, I wanted to get it, I wanted to get where I could use it a little bit before I took took it down to my dad. I got bought one for him. Boy, he picked it up. He's like, Oh, yeah, I've been wanting me one of these. And he took right off. It's like, man, it took me 20 minutes to make a noise, and you're calling already.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

Um, my first experience with an air-operated car was God, I was 12 or 13 years old. Uh, a friend of ours was an outdoor rider, and he had an original turpin trumpet. And uh, I picked it up and ran it. Uh, I'm not very good on them. I just uh I'm a yelping cluck guy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:07

Uh call turkeys, but yeah, it's it's uh I I've heard some people that don't sound real good and are great turkey killers, and then I hear some people that can call like nobody's business, but they can't, they have a hard time killing turkeys, you know. So it's really not I I my feeling is it's not uh what you say, but more when you say it. Does that sound right?

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's that that's probably a fair statement. I got a buddy who's uh he's one of the worst callers I've ever heard, but he uh he kills turkeys.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So um uh first weekend in. Um so a bunch of Jake's. Uh so you you've never been to uh Kentucky then, or have or have you been?

SPEAKER_00 24:54

No, I've never been to Kentucky. Um I've hunted Florida one time years ago, uh Georgia, Montana, South Dakota. I I guess that's that's my only four states.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

Yeah, yeah. Now I've been out west um a few times, Colorado, elk hunting, you know, um, but I ain't never been out there uh turkey hunting, but I've been investigating a little bit. I was gonna I was gonna hit um Alabama this year, but uh we had a uh sickness in the family, and and it just I had to hang around. I had to stay close to home for it, it ended up being about a three-week process, which I think you had just recently went through the same ordeal. But um, yeah, so I didn't get my Alabama in this year, uh, which I'd never hunted Alabama before. I was gonna try to work it in. Um uh Kentucky, I have hunted Kentucky maybe five years in a row down there now. Um, and they the ticks are bad. But I tell you what, Eddie, I just I got a standing rule when you can make it to hunting camp. I get I got you know promethrin and all the sprays, I stick them on the front porch, and it's a house rule. When you get there first night, you spray down, and everybody's gotta wear it, you know. And um, you know, I get out there in the woods. Last year in the afternoon, the turkeys was slow, slow, slow. I just laid down, took a nap. You know, um, you can't let it, you can't let them win, you know, just like you said, we got to keep going, you know. Um, but um I like uh Kentucky a lot. Here in Ohio where I'm at, it the property is so broken up, there's not there's not big spaces. Um my uncle's got a 75-acre plot, and that's about the biggest around that I can hunt. You know, it's just like we run out of room. You know, I go to Kentucky and there's a lot, lot more room. We can hunt hundreds and hundreds of acres. And you know, I like running and gunning, and I just can't do it here in Ohio, you know.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

We got um, and down in my area, there is very little public land. Um we have three small tracks we hunt. The largest is 300, the other uh 300, 275, and 200.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Um, but uh the the two bigger tracks hunt much smaller than they actually are.

SPEAKER_03 27:27

But uh yeah, yeah, the um um that's big for uh like here in Ohio. Uh you know, one of my favorite spots, you know, even for my deer hunting, is like 75 acres. But in all reality, uh I would say 60 acres of it is crop fields. So I got about a 15-acre patch, you know, and it's a pretty good size woods, but the property line, you know, splits it in a third and two-thirds, you know. So Ohio's just so broken up. That's why I enjoy Kentucky so much. But um, what about them Mamirians out west? Now, um, I always hear people say that the easters are the hardest, you know, and uh that some of some people even go as far as calling some of the other turkeys dumb. But what's your experience with uh hunting Mirians out there?

SPEAKER_00 28:17

I've never found an easy Miriam. Um they kick my butt just like the Easterns do.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

Um we uh that's what my my buddy and I were talking about this morning. You know, it's uh everybody talks about the easy miriums, but I hadn't found them.

SPEAKER_02 28:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

We uh when we got there last year at uh at 5,000 feet elevation, it was 86 degrees in uh early May, mid-May.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

And I had never I had never seen it above in the out of the 50s. Yeah, it's typically in the 20s, in the mornings, 50s during the day. Uh spring before last, we hunted in the snow. But uh that hot weather, I'm assuming the hot weather, typically they'll gobble all day. Yeah, these summer guns would gobble in the tree, fly down, and shut up. They may gobble 30 minutes. Uh like they do here around home.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Uh it was a it was a tough week. Uh Bailey killed the weather changed on Wednesday. Uh we located some birds Wednesday afternoon. Bailey killed her uh bird on Thursday morning, and then we had to leave Friday morning. So so it was uh we only between the three of us, we wound up with one this past year.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

Is that right? Yeah, yeah. That's a long way to go for one bird, huh? How many hours does it take you to get out there?

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Uh 30.

SPEAKER_03 29:48

30 hours, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

That's what it is. I've driven twice, uh flown once, and uh I like to flying better.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

Yeah, yeah. When we go out west uh elk hunting, um there's uh uh four or six of us, depending on where we're hunting of the group or whatever. But like the last year, three guys drove out, three guys flew out, and then we switched coming home, you know, um, which that made it kind of nice. I was fortunate enough to fly out, so we was out a day, we was out a day early, um, or a day and a half early. So we kind of got to drive the roads. We had a lease out there that was surrounded by BLM. So we didn't go into the lease. We never stepped foot anywhere in there, but we drove the roads around it with like on X going and you know, um, and it panned out. It really panned out to have that first day out there before season come in, you know, to get out there and kind of scout around, you know.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

But I like what's good about the turkeys is um we can fly out in the morning, and we usually take an early flight. We'll be in Rabbit City by noon and uh can be hunting that afternoon. Um you know you drive, you you actually lose basically two full days of hunting at least. Yeah, but the uh drive out isn't so bad, you got the anticipation of what's to come. Yeah, um the drive home is hard because uh it's over and it's time to get back to the real world.

SPEAKER_03 31:37

And it's a long way, boy. Yeah, can't Kansas. I never drove a that's the longest, flatest state son I ever seen. Yeah. Uh so let's uh let's talk a little about these uh uh these uh these uh wingbone turkey calls. Now is that that's two bones put together? Is that what I'm seeing here?

SPEAKER_00 32:01

Your yes, those you have is a two-bone call. Um I don't know if you can see this, but I can.

SPEAKER_03 32:12

Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

That's a three-bone. Uh typic from what I know, uh this is the three-bone that was the original um call that people started. I don't know how long people started making them ago. My dad started making them in the early 70s. Um I think the the ones that were found in the caves that are supposedly how many thousand years old were uh radius bones, uh, which is just the small bone, and they just use that cup in their hands. Um that was uh used on up, I think, um probably into the turn of the century.

SPEAKER_03 33:03

Well is that right?

SPEAKER_00 33:05

The the 20th century, now that we're in another century.

SPEAKER_03 33:09

Yeah, yeah, I got you. I'm following you, yeah, yeah. So how long, how long have you been making these things?

SPEAKER_00 33:15

Uh we've been doing it 10 years. I say we um I do the uh processing, the fitting, the tuning, and my daughter does the feather art and any writing on them, and then I put the finish, and she does the wrapping, the the thread wrapping, like it's on that three-bone I showed you.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

But my dad's my dad's health uh started declining uh 2015. Yeah, and uh he had made them, like I said, since I think 74 is when he started. Yeah, and I had never really had any interest, but uh I got him to show me his process, just wanted to keep the tradition alive. Yeah, and uh it's gotten much bigger than a than a hobby anymore, but yeah, I enjoy it.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

Yeah. Uh so you you was talking to me. Now these are turkey wing bones, but you was talking to me when I told you I goose hunted. I picked up goose hunting, but you can use a goose wing bone as well.

SPEAKER_00 34:18

Yes, um, I've actually made uh three-bone call out of Ross's goose bones, which is uh the entire call is about the size of a number two pencil.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:31

Um plenty of volume, uh sounds wonderful. A lot of a lot of people are going to the uh using uh the gobbler bones, and um a goose bone is the mouthpiece, the radius bone of the goose is the mouthpiece.

SPEAKER_03 34:46

Oh, I see. Okay, yeah. Huh. So your your your dad, this is your dad's uh I I guess design. Should we call it that? A design?

SPEAKER_00 34:57

Well, actually, that one isn't he made the three-bone calls.

SPEAKER_03 35:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:01

Um that's just something that I I put together as trying to be a little different. Uh people make two-bone calls. Um I decided to make the two-bone call with the with the uh with the bullet ferrule.

SPEAKER_03 35:15

Let me see if I can hold this up to the camera. And for people that's watching on the YouTube, uh get it held up there. It is absolutely a beautiful call. Yeah, I got one. I got they got this one and I got the one for my dad. Um, I don't know. Our season don't come in, so Kentucky season comes in on the 18th. Um, I'll be heading down there Friday the 17th, and we're gonna hunt. I'll be down there four days, and then they get two birds down there, so it'll depend on you know how the season rolls along. I might end up making another trip back down. Dad and I went back down, it would have been like a second weekend in Ohio, third down there, and we went back down. But then uh season here in Ohio comes in on the 24th, I think is what it is. But it's um our birds have our we we were allowed two birds. I think last year we were still allowed two birds. If not last year, it was the year before. Now they cut us back to one bird. Our population's take definitely taking a hit here in Ohio. It's um, you know, just think the have the much habitat for sure, you know.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

I don't know. Uh we saw a decline here within the last eight to ten years, um, a bad decline to the point that um the properties that we would take uh two birds apiece on. Um we cut it back to one. I'll take one, Bailey can take one. Uh now that she has a husband, uh, if he takes a bird, then uh that's her bird.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

So um we just got a self-imposed restriction on the properties we hunt. But overall, we our numbers are down drastically.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

Yeah, yeah. Ours too. So like, and I and they've been playing with our season up here. Um I can't time time just goes by so fast anymore. It's hard to put a timeline on it. But it wasn't but a few years back, I say a few, but you know, between five and ten. Our season used to come in on the 13th. And um, man, it was hot. It came in on the 13th. Turkey season was fun. I mean, they're gobbling and they, you know, I mean, it was awesome. Now they got it backed up to the 24th. It's it's tough. It can be tough. It can be tough. Um, cuz because the rut is it's slowing down for them, you know. And um, but they I understand, you know, why the DNR is doing it. You know, uh, we gotta we gotta we've got to protect the bird. If we don't protect it, nobody else will, you know. So um Kentucky comes in, like I said, on the 18th. And um, you know, last year we had good birds goblin down there for a couple of weeks in. Um, I killed one here in Ohio. I killed down there uh opening day. Me and my buddy had a double. Come home here, um, shot a bird on opening day, and then dad and I went back to Kentucky, and um uh we had birds working, but um I got busted by one I nicknamed Brutus. He was like six foot tall, had five-inch spurs, and wore a headband.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

All right.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

But uh uh we're going back after Brutus this year. So but um so you had a couple groups of jakes come in this year, huh?

SPEAKER_00 38:47

We had uh one on Saturday. Uh it was late, probably 9:30, quarter to 10. We'd actually just sat down and were playing with calls, and he wandered up. Um Sunday morning we had four jakes come in, and then this morning I got into the group of five. So uh a lot of jakes can be problematic. I don't, you know, I I have uh I know 2020 I had more time to hunt. We would work a week and off a week, we're rotating, and uh we had jakes everywhere. I never, if it hadn't been for trail cameras, I wouldn't have known we had long beard turkeys on the place. Yeah, I think that the uh jakes were beating them up, yeah. And so they were just silent.

SPEAKER_03 39:41

Yeah, yeah. And I that one I kind of nicknamed Brutus uh last year. Um I think that was a story with him. So I had set down really close to this ridge edge. When I say close, maybe uh 15 yards. And um we had, I could hear my daddy was 200 yards away, I could hear him calling, and I'm calling. And we got a couple, couple different uh gobblers going, but they they're short gobbles, they sounded like jegs, you know. Um, this long beard to come up over the ridge, he came in dead silent, and I just wasn't ready. You know, I'm still kind of rooting around, raking the leaves, and I turn around and he's right there. If I wouldn't have sat so close to the edge, which we live and learn as hunters every day, if I wouldn't have sat so close, if I'd have backed up another 15 yards, I would have been a little more hidden when he came over, you know. But as soon as he came over, it was over before it started. He turned, took flight, you know. Um, but he came in silent because I think all of the jakes that was on that property, he was afraid of getting beat up.

SPEAKER_00 40:52

I think that's uh that's probably a good problem to have as far as looking uh forward to next year, but it doesn't make it a whole lot of fun right now.

SPEAKER_03 41:04

Well, yeah, that's right. Um, but I you know, if it if if I'm down in Kentucky, I got four days to hunt, you know, and and me and the fellas are wanting some schnitzel, I'm not above shooting a Jake. You know, if there's if there's five of them that come in, uh now I probably won't the first day, but I will take a Jake. I sure will.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

As long as they're legal.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

Right, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

Yeah, I mean, uh there's a lot of controversy, I guess, over uh decoys and shooting jakes, and but if it's legal, it's legal, and uh you do what you do.

SPEAKER_03 41:44

Yeah. So I um when I was reading, uh I was studying the laws in Alabama, I don't know how Georgia is, but uh if I remember right, uh Alabama, you're not allowed to use decoys for the first uh, I think it's for the first week or five days or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

I think that's right.

SPEAKER_03 42:05

Yeah. Does Georgia have anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 42:08

No, no restriction. No restriction. And I think Tennessee has gone to um no reaping. I think it was Tennessee. Yeah that is gone, uh no reaping, um no using a fan and crawling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:27

So uh Yeah, that's kind of scary anyways, you know. Um you got some crazy, you got some you got some crazy people out there too, you know. I don't know if I'd be up for crawling behind the fan. I've watched a lot of videos of people doing it, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

I've done it twice. Have you? Um I have um probably will never do it again, but it's uh pretty exciting to uh have one come out of strut with a group of hands and charge.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

Uh yeah, I bet so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:04

And I and uh never tried it but twice, worked like a charm both times.

SPEAKER_03 43:10

I bet it is effective, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:13

I uh I have actually personally I don't use decoys anymore. Um but uh I just like to try to trick them uh one-on-one. Um food with a bird last year for 22 days, 22 straight days before uh we finally got within range of each other. It didn't work him every morning, uh depending upon where he was. Um and some days he didn't gobble, but I was there for him.

SPEAKER_03 43:46

Yeah. Um the um the uh birds that we got the double on last year, we um we had we had been working some birds, we walked into the bottom and we knew we Had to get to the top, you know, and it was just like which way we go on, which ridge we climbing. But um we we'd headed up and we was walking to where I know a clearing is, and I just luckily uh I heard a gobble. I'm like, you know, I sat and listened, and my buddy Roy was with me, you know. I'm like, um, I sat and listened for a second, and sure enough, I had a bird. So we didn't have time. I mean, I had the decoys rolled up and stuck in my pack. I throwed the pack down, and we sat down, and as soon as I hit a call, bam, he fired up. And within it was about 10 minutes, son, and we had two of them on the ground, just like that coming in. Um, uh, a couple nice birds. I'll I'll post a picture uh on the um uh on the Facebook page there of them them two birds. It was a that was a fun, exciting hunt right there. Um yeah, but you so you don't use decoys anymore. Had you ever used them? Had you used them out west?

SPEAKER_00 45:00

Um we had used a a mojo, it clamps on your gun.

SPEAKER_02 45:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:07

We hunted we hunted the reservation, uh the pine ridge, yeah, and hunting in the prairie. Uh we use those out there. Yeah, never used them in the black hills.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

Same decoys you use here, you use out there, huh?

SPEAKER_00 45:23

Actually, this thing just is a it has a a clamp that basically uh works as a bipod and the and the decoy is uh on your gun. Yeah, I mean you can see through it. Uh a lot of crawling out there across the prairie and and whatnot. But basically, yeah, so uh what we did was took the synthetic fan that came with the decoy and uh glued Miriam feathers on it. So yeah. Don't know that that really made a difference, but uh that's what we did.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

I'd like to, I'm gonna try it out there one of these days for sure. I get a little more time. Um, I wouldn't mind going after that uh Grand Slam for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:14

So you get to Florida?

SPEAKER_03 46:17

I have not. Nope. I have not.

SPEAKER_00 46:20

Yeah, I'd start in early March.

SPEAKER_03 46:23

I know, right? Yeah, your turkey season, you sure get a lot more time if you if you spread yourself out a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Gets a little expensive though, buying all them tags.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

That's the thing.

SPEAKER_03 46:40

You're probably you're probably right.

SPEAKER_00 46:42

Yeah. Food and lodging. Don't let's not even talk about gas prices right now.

SPEAKER_03 46:48

I know, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, but out west out there, now you don't have to worry about lone star ticks either.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

Yeah. Never found a tick out there. Uh I'm sure they have them.

SPEAKER_03 47:02

I'm sure they do, yeah. Yeah, I don't think I'd ever, but when I'm out there, it's usually second rifle season for elk, you know. So it's like uh it's a little chillier, they're a little more dormant, you know, that time of year, if if they're even around. I've never picked a tick off of me out there for sure. So yeah. So um, I tell you what, Eddie, if you got if you if you kill this this next week or so, send me some pictures. I'd love to post them on the Facebook page.

SPEAKER_00 47:30

Definitely will. For sure. For sure. I um barring rain. I I I'm in the woods most every morning.

SPEAKER_02 47:39

Are you? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:41

If I can get one to play, I call in late to work. If not, I just go to work.

SPEAKER_03 47:46

I got you. Yeah, yeah. Uh my wife and I, um uh the mushrooms ain't popping up yet up here, but they're close. So we took a little walk the other day uh where I hunt, and um I uh we sat on this ridge and I I hit a crow call once and thought we heard a turkey and wasn't for sure, and he wouldn't, he wouldn't gobble a second time. So I I got grabbed a turkey call and hit it a couple of times, and he fired up, put the turkey call in my pocket, you know, and we just kept on mushroom hunting. We made it about a hundred yards and he gobbled and was coming. And um, I'm like, Nick, we're gonna we're gonna have to get out of here, you know. And um went up, made a big circle, and um he gobbled again, and we didn't run, but we almost we jogged. I'm like, we gotta leave because I don't want to educate this bird, you know. Um, so they're getting hot here. The mushrooms ain't popping, but I uh I do got a kiliber bird down there at one of the places I hunt for sure.

SPEAKER_00 48:51

I understand we have morels down here, but I I never think to look for them.

SPEAKER_03 48:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:58

You don't you don't hunt mushrooms, you don't find morales, or you don't I never I've never looked for them. I I and I understand we have them. Yeah. Uh just have never looked for them. Really? Um, you need oaks in uh in in low in low areas? Is that kind of easy?

SPEAKER_03 49:16

Well, there it there it you know, it all depends. So, like early season, you'll get the blacks and the grays and the snakeheads will pop up. They're the early, they're earlier of a morel mushroom. Um, and they're they're like uh we don't have many ash trees anymore, but they used to love the ash trees, you know, uh dead elms, uh stuff like that. But as later in the season, when them big old yellows start popping up, you know, we would find uh uh sycamores around the creek banks and stuff like that. Um, and and that's later in the season when them uh yellows start coming. And them are good, man. Them big old yellow mushrooms are good.

SPEAKER_00 49:57

Um we have quite a few sycamores.

SPEAKER_03 50:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:01

Oh poplar.

SPEAKER_03 50:03

Yeah. I don't know if I'd ever found them around the poplars, but definitely around the sycamores around the creek banks, you know. Um when we go down turkey hunting, and I got there's four of us that go, but two of my buddies don't even turkey hunt, they just go mushroom hunting. And there's a little hot spot just below the cabin. It's along this creek. It's probably all it's probably a 200 or 200-yard stretch along this creek. And I'm not kidding you, they'll walk it in the morning picking mushrooms, and then they'll go back down there in the afternoon and pick another big old sack full of them. And um, yeah, it's just a really good hot spot. You know, it's one of them, it's one of them places, you know, if um they're always they're there every year. They're there. Every year. Uh last year.

SPEAKER_00 50:56

Go ahead. How do you prepare? How do you prepare them?

SPEAKER_03 50:58

Oh, we just uh sometimes some people put a batter on them, you know, like frying a fish, you know. I just assume cook them in some butter, put some put some butter in. Or if you do batter them, you can deep fry them like frying fish, you know. Um uh you can you whatever batter you would fry fish in. Yeah. They're good. You just when you pick them, cut them down the middle, and throw them in some salt water, it'll kill all the bugs, you know, let them soak for a while and then wash them and uh fry them like you would a piece of fish. And uh, man, it's a they're good. Uh last year they tore them up. We we killed that double turkeys the first more the first morning, and we came in and they had they was using Walmart bags, and they had three or four big Walmart bags full of mushrooms. We ate like kings last year. Um, but some years, you know, it all depends on weather too, you know. Now here in Ohio, we had good snow this year. We had um we had uh one snowstorm, we had a couple feet, you know. It was like eight, or not a couple feet, we had like eighteen inches, and then it dropped real super cold, and it was cold, and we had that snow lay here for a couple weeks. And um, they say that that's good for the mushrooms. Now we find them, but I can tell you my wife and I are the worst mushroom hunters that ever was. I'm just fortunate to trip across them every now and then.

SPEAKER_00 52:27

Well, my uh you're talking about the snow. My oldest was in Toledo for four years, and so uh I got to experience some of your snow this past uh Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:38

Um and uh never been to Ohio but one time that it didn't snow, and that was in July.

SPEAKER_03 52:45

So is that right? Yeah, yeah. Toledo, you're up there a little closer to Lake Erie, too. So they get a little more snow up there for sure. You get that lake effect snow for sure. Yeah. So uh Eddie, so man, I sure appreciate you coming on. I got I got one question that I try to ask all my guests. Um, and uh it's an Alpha Gal surprise. So, you know, whether it be good or bad, you know, like one of my bad Alpha Gal surprises when I realized Aquafina water and Dasani water is filtered through bone char. I can't drink it. Uh, one of my good surprises is when I found out Twizzlers had good sugar in it and I could eat Twizzlers, you know. But um, is there any Alpha Gal surprises that stick out in your mind that really just surprised you, good or bad?

SPEAKER_00 53:38

I can't think of anything. I've never had any bad reaction to the dairy, um, other than probably my gastrointestinal issues. Um never had any problems with the waters that are filtered through bone char. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:56

Um yeah, you're fortunate there, then that's for sure.

SPEAKER_00 54:01

I'm I I am fairly certain that pork is my only trigger, huh? Is my kryptonite. Um I have not been willing to try the anything else. But uh right. But cheese and uh and ice cream, I can do those today, and I don't have any effects from it.

SPEAKER_03 54:26

Yeah, I can I can do like some cheese and some dairy. I can't do a lot, but I can do like I can go have some Mexican with my wife, and the amount of cheese that I eat for dinner, it doesn't, I I'm I'm pretty fortunate that it don't affect me too bad. Um Eddie, have you ever you ever gotten COVID?

SPEAKER_00 54:48

Uh three times, I think.

SPEAKER_03 54:49

COVID, yeah. See, so a lot of people say that with COVID, when it mixes with the Alpha Gal, that it gives you mast cell and it's what messes with your histamines, but it don't sound to me like you have a bad histamine problem. Do you take any kind of antihistamines or anything?

SPEAKER_00 55:06

I do. Uh I ever since I was diagnosed, I have taken uh 40 milligrams of Famodidine every night before bed. And I take and I take I don't know what uh prescription antihistamine they got me on now, but I did um I forget what I took for years, just an over-the-counter type antihistamine.

SPEAKER_02 55:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

And my doctor changed changed me up this this past year. She said that uh you need to rotate through antihistamines periodically.

SPEAKER_03 55:42

Um is there a reason why? Did she tell you what the reason was for that?

SPEAKER_00 55:47

I think you build a tolerance.

SPEAKER_03 55:49

Oh, that makes sense. That does make sense, yeah. Yeah. So I tell you something I discovered, uh, and I just done this recently. So you hear about a lot of people with Alpha Gal getting real bad stiffness in their joints, almost arthritic. Um, so um I had a friend of mine when I got Alpha Gal that I credit her for saving my life, Lori. She always helped me through, you know, the hard times there. But when I when I was having a histamine problem, I didn't know what it was. And she's the one explained to me about antihistamines. And so I started taking a pepsid and a zertec, you know, take a pepsid in the morning, zerktec at night, or I'd rotate or whatever. And then um, as times went on, I have tried other ones, like I got some Claritin, and I got, and I, and I found my best, I don't, I don't like to take pills. If I cannot take them, I'm not going to, you know. So I tried quitting a couple of times, which was a bad mistake, because I'm I'm going to have a reaction if I get if I if I let the histamines get out of control. But I ran out of my Pepsi AC, which is the one thing I take every morning for it. I ran out. I pulled a bottle of Claritin out. Now it might have been some generic Walgreens or CVS brand or whatever. So I just said, well, I'm gonna go get some Pepsi, but in the meantime, I'll just take one of these. Well, I ended up taking it for about a week. And about a week in, Eddie, I was getting out of bed in the morning. I said, Dad gone stiff. I get up, and it was like I was 100 years old. My joints was hurting, and I I just I didn't know what was happening. I had no idea. And then uh that morning when I was getting up, I went and grabbed that bottle, and I'm like, I just wonder. I wonder. So I didn't take it. I run up town, got me some pepsid, got back on my pepsid. Three days later, I was back to normal. And I think that's just just a different kind of antihistamine. I haven't done all the research yet, but for me, it was making me bad stiff.

SPEAKER_00 57:54

I can't tell you what two histamines you have. I don't remember that. But the pepsid for motidine uh takes care of one and then uh benadry will take care of the other. And I think any of you over-the-counter desertec, uh, allegra, whatever, would fall under that category. But uh that is why the doctor told me that if you ever have a bad allergic reaction to take both Flamodidine and uh Benadryl.

SPEAKER_03 58:28

Because it covers both sides.

SPEAKER_00 58:31

It covers it covers both. Um, and as far as your pepsod goes, um Walmart, Fomotadine, 200 uh tabs for uh about 12 bucks. So yeah, I've been taking I've been taking the generic Walmart brand for however many years now.

SPEAKER_03 58:51

I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a try for sure, yeah. Yeah. Because I've been taking, I I I felt good about being down to because in the beginning I was taking, like I said, a Pepsi in the morning and a Zertec at night. And then if I'd have a flare up, I'd go get the Benadryl out, you know. So um, but um I was feeling pretty good about being down to just one pill, you know. Um, but I'm gonna start experimenting a little bit with some others just to, you know, make sure I'm feeling good and you know that.

SPEAKER_00 59:21

So well, he can't, you know, he he's got me taking both at bedtime. Uh and as far as the joints and the arthritic symptoms, I just assumed that that came along with birthdays.

SPEAKER_03 59:34

Yeah. So I think you're right. I think you're right. Yeah. Um, but what I had what I had, and this just happened like uh, it's just I just probably about a week ago I got to where I was back to normal, you know what I mean? So um uh yeah, the the the clariton definitely made a difference in me in the stiffness in my joints and stuff, you know. So but Eddie, I sure appreciate you coming on, buddy. We've been on about an hour. I don't want to waste any more of your time, but I sure would like some pictures. Um you shoot us some turkey. I'd I sure would.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:09

If we get lucky.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:12

If we get lucky, I'll send you some pictures.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:14

I'd sure, I'd sure like it. And if you ever decide to come to Kentucky turkey hunting or Ohio, you let me know and I'll I'll I'll take you right with me where I go. So you got an open invitation if you ever decide to come up.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:28

Be careful. I'll take you up on those turkey hunting invitations.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:32

Well, I tell you, uh, where we're at in Kentucky, um, I'll send you a link to the cabins we stay at, okay? And um we got a drive depending on where we're going, you know, 10-15 minutes in the morning. Um and we got a couple pretty good farms, and then there's just south, just south of where we're at, about 20 minutes is 5,000 acre plot of Daniel Boone National Forest. You know, uh we're really we're the cabin we're at is located in the Red River Gorge, but we kind of get away from the touristy area, you know, when we go hunting, obviously. But um, yeah, yeah. You uh ever decide to go, son, you let me know and we'll we'll find you a bed for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:17

Well I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:19

Yep. Eddie, I'm gonna hit the unrecord button and just hang on right there for a minute. So uh appreciate you coming on, the Alpha Gal Doorsman. All right, guys. So this is going to be my first um patch in little edit here. But what happened was uh Eddie and I finished the podcast, and then after I hit the re turned the record button off, him and I ended up talking about 10 minutes, and we were talking about some things that I thought was important enough that I called him back. I got him on speakerphone here real fast. So, Eddie, so um when you were sick with Alpha Gown in the beginning, the doctors had you diagnosed with something completely different, and you were days away from them removing your colon. Is that right?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:08

Um actually I've been diagnosed with eucalyosa colitis in 2007. And um I started having a flare in August following my initial diagnosis in June with the uh with the alpha gal.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:36

Um tried me on an anti-rejection drug drug emurant, which in 18 days put me on the water. Um the next step was Rumicade. I had um anaphylaxis with Rumicade. It contains a Chinese hamster ovary. Then uh following that several months later, we tried Humera. Um had some mild anaphylaxis issues with Humera. And um we had gotten down to uh we're gonna try one more drug, and if that doesn't work, we're gonna have to remove your colon. And um I don't remember exactly the the order and how things happened, but Sharon would um I guess she works with Dr. Cummings.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:36

Yeah, uh Alpha Gow Alliance, she is the chairman for Alpha Gow Alliance in Washington, D.C. Yeah, so go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:42

Yeah, um she had sent me a bunch of articles, and my brother-in-law, who is uh medical professional, was talking to her his sister, who is an internal medicine doctor in New York, about my issues, and she told uh told him about Dr. Cummins discovering a gastrointestinal variant of alpha gal that mimics colitis. So I never took the last drug um through dietary changes, you know, everything got back in norm. I've gone.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:24

So you was you was that close. You was that you was one drug away from them taking your colon all because it was pretty much misdiagnosed.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:36

Well, and we don't know for certain that it was misdiagnosed. We do know for certain I have not taken any medication for my umstradocolitis in several years, and uh live a normal life today. Um the bottom line was the gastroenterologist was totally um, he would not consider the fact that the flare up I was having had anything to do with my alpha gas. When we are fairly certain, and it's all speculative, my allergist and I um think that we're correct, that um, but he just he refused to consider the fact, even though all the articles Sharon sent me were in um gastroenterology the College of Gastroenterology journals. So the literature was there for him. He just refused to see it, even though I forwarded him all this information.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:41

Yeah. It seems like it's a common story to hear doctors, you know, um uh maybe not necessarily misdiagnosing, but refusing to believe what is right in front of their face, because they just don't believe Alpha Gal. So let me get let me get this timeline a little bit here. So you had been taking medication for this gastrointestinal. You were down to the last drug after that. So then you was down to the last drug, and then they was going to take your colon. That evening you sent, you found Sharon somewhere on the internet, sent her a message, and she sent you the information back, and you didn't take the last drug and you're living a normal life today.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:27

And actually, I had uh Sharon had sent me some information sometime prior to that. Um I I found that Alpha Get a page on Facebook and I I I just remarked, if there's hotel.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:41

And within minutes, she started sending me articles. Yeah. And then uh sometime after that, she had sent me more articles, and then uh we found this my my brother-in-law's sister had found this other stuff. So between you uh between those two, uh they say my colonie is not my life.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:04

Right, right, yeah, yeah. So um, Sharon, so now we've talked offline. We was you and I, I hit the uh we stopped the record of the podcast, and then you and I had all this discussion, and then so I put the phone call in when I started to edit. So but you didn't know Sharon. You didn't know her, you just made that comment and she started posting it. Yeah. So her name is Sharon Forsyth. She's the chairman of AlphaGaul Alliance out of Washington, D.C. She's an admin on a lot of these pages. Um, I don't know how many years she's been at this, but she is a godsend to a lot of people. So um I'm gonna give a shout out to Sharon um uh for for you. Um and I've already called her, by the way. I called her and let her know about this. Um, and that's another reason I wanted to add this at the end. So, Eddie, anything else you'd like to add?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:55

I can't think of anything. Okay. After we hang up, something will pop up.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:01

Yeah, well, I can't I can't wait to see some pictures of turkey because I know uh turkey season's hot and heavy, and we are in Turkey Bonanza here at Alpha Gael Doorsman. So uh I'm getting excited. Uh um just outside of the community where I live a little bit. There was uh just yesterday morning, there was uh a bunch of strutters out there. There was seven hens and two big toms out in this open field just close to me. So I'm getting pretty excited around here.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:28

Well, they're running me raggedy in South Georgia.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:31

That's that's the way it goes, yeah. We got a few weeks before season comes in. So um I'm really hoping to get an update from you in a few days here, Eddie, with a big Tom laying on the ground. Um get me some pictures and we can post them on the Facebook page. But Eddie, I want to thank you again for answering. I know I popped this on you pretty quick. Um, but um, I hope we talk again, Eddie. Thank you very much, my buddy.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:55

All right, thank you. Have a good day.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:57

Yep, bye-bye. Wow. Uh, just real quick, man. You heard it. I kind of Eddie laid it out and I kind of put you a detailed timeline together, but um, that just goes to show you right there. Um Alpha Gal's got a long way to come. Long, long way to come. Now, this I know that this was a few years ago, but um uh here we are. So uh I'm hoping to get this edited, kind of cut right in there, but we'll see how my editing skills go. But thanks again for listening to Alpha Gal Dorsman. Tuning in to Alpha Gal Dorsman. Make sure to hit that follow button. And until we meet again, wear your ticker fellow.