Episode 14 Will Winford health update

If you have had any heart issues since Alpha gal then this is a must listen episode. Will is an absolute student of his body and AGS. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to the Alpha Gow Outdoorsman Podcast, where we talk all things Alpha Gow and all things outdoors. Everything from hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, canoeing, kayaking, jeeping, off-roading, even gardening. I'm your host, Robert Worley. Hey y'all, welcome back to another episode of Alpha Gow Outdoorsman. I am your host, Robert Worley. I got a repeat guest, I'm my first repeat guest. This is going to be episode 14. I can't hardly believe we're at 14 already. Before we get um too far into Will, I want to give a quick uh update. I just today is June 15th. I just recorded um episode 13 on the 12th, a couple of days ago. I set up in the backfield um and I recorded that episode, and I said I've been doing very well on reactions and all this and all that. So I'm gonna link two things together really fast before I get with Will. And one of them is uh a reaction that I recently had, and a I'm gonna I'm gonna reverse the be more like Angelo uh segment. Um so uh we went to Buckeye Country Fest. My uh uh our kids got us a Christmas present, got us tickets to Buckeye Country Fest, you know. Um uh the show starts at two o'clock. Tyler Childers was headlined, he comes on at nine. So to put that together, he played till almost 11 o'clock. That's that's nine hours to be in that stadium, right? So um we we went. I made sure that I ate clean going in uh before I went, you know. Um I walk in and there the the the area we came in, and I'm not super fume reactive. I'm not. Um I walk in and the smell of cheeseburgers was incredible. I mean, gosh, man, I wanted one so bad. They smell good. But um, I'm usually not fume fruit fume reactive at all. I and it and I'm not even sure that if that's what got me. But about three hours later, um, I started itching bad. I got a telltale sign on my forearm. When my forearm starts itching, I I'm I'm on my way to a reaction. And it got extreme. It got worse than it um has ever gotten, as far as I mean, my forearm, I was digging it to pieces, but my my skin got set on fire, back of my neck, all over, all the things. And I'm I'm um four over four years into this. I know what my body needed, and I needed water. The only water, the only bottled water that you can buy at the shoe in Columbus, Ohio is Dasani water. And I and I was and I walked around and I looked. There was water fountains. Um but um I needed some water, I needed some good cold ice water. Um I finally found where they had a fountain, a big long fountain alongside the wall. Um and they would sell these refillable cups, right? So I went up, um, said, I need a water. They said, well, the Dasani. I'm like, I can't drink Dasani. Um I got me one of them, I got me one of them cups, all right. I wasn't concerned about the price at the time, right? So um I got uh it was some people with us, and I'm I'm picking a few things up right. So I got a box of popcorn, which is $6.50. I got one beer from my wife, which I'm not sure they was like six or seven bucks. And I got that cup for water and ice, and my bill was $36. That refillable cup, all I needed was water. I needed water because I was having a reaction and I was having a doozy. I needed water in my system ASAP. And it cost me uh over 20 bucks for a cup that I could get ice water in. So this segment of be more like Angelo is um um uh this is the going the other way. I usually give credit where credit is due. I am slamming Ohio State at the horseshoe because you guys suck for selling Dasani water and then charging me 25 bucks or whatever you charge me for a cup. Um to to I I almost had to leave early. And um, fortunately, I did spend the 25 bucks. I got the ice water and I just started chugging, chugging, chugging, chugging, chugging. I didn't want to take no Benadryl or none of the things because you know we all know that just gonna ruin our night. So, Ohio State, you need to do better. We spent a lot of money. Well, my kids, Christmas, Merry Christmas, spent a lot of money on them tickets. And for me to go up there and have that happen is is uh you need to be more like Angelo. So without any further ado, I got my rant out of the way, Will. So without any further ado, uh my buddy Will Winford here, uh rock climber from Kentucky is back on. Will has had some health issues that has been related back to his tick bite. Um, and I instead of me trying to tell you what's happening, I'm just gonna turn it over to Will. Will, how are you doing, buddy?

SPEAKER_00 5:28

Great. I'm sorry to hear that, your reaction, man. And that $25 water, that's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

Can you believe $25 for a water, you know? Uh and here's the thing is I tried carrying that dag on cup around the rest of the night, just protecting that thing for all it was worth, you know. Um but I did get, and it was probably uh like a 20-ounce, you know, big gulp or whatever, you know. I pounded them dudes. I mean, I got I got three or four waters run into my system, and um about an hour I cleared up. Um my arm was still itching, but the rest of my body lightened up and I was I still got to enjoy the show. But it was heart-wrenching, man. Knowing I need water, and I get over there and it's disawning. I was like, no way, no way.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

That's crazy. Yeah. Um well, I'm I'm glad you're still able to enjoy the show, and you know, that that's awesome. I I I'm jealous Tyler Chone's is uh is awesome.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

Yeah, yeah. So um uh Will um when we talked last time, man, you was still on top of the world. You had Alpha Gal, or you have Alpha Gal. Um, but you're like me, you really did learn how to control it well. And um you was you was doing well, and then since then you've had some surprises. First off, let's talk about what your diagnosis is and what it's called, and then let's back up to some some symptoms and leading up into how you discovered. How's that?

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Sure. Um, it's called uh cardiac psychordosis, and psychrodosis is a uh disease that it's a multi-organ disease, it can attack anything from your skin to your bone marrow to your liver to your lungs, to your heart, to your brain, to your spinal uh cord. I mean just about anything. Um, it's a disease where it sends your immune system into overdrive and it creates these granulomas, almost like tumors, um, in your uh liver, lungs, and it can do it to your heart too as well. Um, pretty much all your your organs. Um, and I and I have uh granulomas or or tumor-like things in my uh liver. I have one in my liver, I have uh like six or seven in my lungs, and um it and it spread to my heart uh here recently.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

So so it's called cardiac psychordosis. Um I hope I said that right. Now, um, but this is 100% linked back to your tick bite.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Yes, well, that that's what I was kind of saying. Um I believe, yes, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:23

Now it took them 20 years to link cardiac psychordosis to Lyme's disease, right? Um, and we don't have 20 years. So if if cardiac psychordosis is linked to Lyme's disease, and I've had test after test after test of Lyme's disease tests, I mean blood tests, blood drawn, everything. Um, and they all come back negative for Lyme's disease. I get tested for Lyme's when I get it.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

Yes, so real quick, just I don't mean to interrupt, I'm just trying to be real clear here. So uh when you say you we don't have 20 years, you mean if you get cardiac psychordosis, you don't have 20 years unless you get diagnosed and they know what it is to treat, correct?

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Correct, but we don't have 20 years, as in the sense that they can't, there's no medical diagnosis that said there is one for Lyme. So if you get Lyme, you have Lyme-induced cardiac psychordosis. They don't have alpha gal, so they don't have alpha gal induced cardiac psychordosis. Oh, all right, okay. So there's not that specific link. So I can't say a hundred percent that it was, but I can say um I'm just you know, and I gotta preface this too with with some of the information that I have. Um, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a medical profession, I can't, you know, give medical advice. Um, I can only speak to my experience, what's happened to me and my timeline.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Um but you don't have line. I don't have line. So so it's almost like uh uh 50-50 and 50% you take it off the table. So we're looking at you got bit by a tick, caused you alpha gal syndrome. So we're pretty sure that's where it comes from.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Correct. Yeah, because I got like I like we spoke about previous, like I got bit 2020 around 2020, 2021. I got you know formally diagnosed. Um, I was had it beforehand though, because I was having a reaction, and it wasn't until probably 2022, around there, 2022, 2023, I started showing symptoms of um like I was having issues with my lungs, lung distress after the liver thing. So, you know, I went through the whole fatty liver, you know, my liver enzymes being up, yeah. Uh, which which led me to uh NAC and Glinac uh supplementation, um which then I started having lung problems, and I've had lung problems kind of my whole entire life, so they really didn't bat an eye or try to, you know, I didn't connect it back to to my alpha gal at that point.

unknown 11:00

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

Because I was like, oh, it's just my my asthma, right? My asthma's kicking up, and um, I just need to start taking more medication. Um, so my uh allergist, you know, said, hey, start taking one antihistamine in the morning, one at night, and Benadryl when it gets bad. So I was, you know, when I started listing out all the antihistamines, I was telling, you know, the cardiac doctor um that I was taking, he was like, Yeah, whoa, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

So let's let's go back. So you knew you had a fatty liver. You and I have had that conversation before. You knew you had a fatty liver. Um, but what where did the symptoms start? And give us a rundown of like um, you know, we know that we know the fatty liver was first. That was first thing you detected, but where did we go? What was the symptoms like? And how long did you go through these symptoms before the doctor's like uh we're getting close or they got it figured out?

SPEAKER_00 12:03

Um, I went through it for a long time up until recently. So, like I said, it was probably end of 2022, 2023 is when I got diagnosed with uh uh psychordosis in my lungs. And I was having problems breathing. So pretty much similar to um asthma, where I was uh having difficulty breathing, coughing, congestion, just overall, just I mean, it felt like allergies and asthma, but year-round, I had no relief other than um inhaled steroids and uh as arbuterol with inhaled steroids would give me some sort of relief for about 10, 20, half an hour, and then I'd be right back to it.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Okay, so lungs is where it started. Um and um how how what so the doctors but they was treating you for they was treating you for whatever at this point in time, they hadn't had quite figured out yet, correct?

SPEAKER_00 13:07

Correct, yeah, and and there was no treatment because um this is one of those diseases where there's no there's no cure, there is a treatment, but the treatment um that I'm on now, um they don't really like to put you on because it has so many side effects, right? Yeah, uh so if it's just in your lungs and you're not progressing to the point where your blood oxygen is dropping, you know, significantly, uh, then they they kind of hold off on treatment. And uh I wasn't at that point. So the only thing they were doing for me was a CT scan uh once to twice a year, uh with contrast. So they shoot you up with a radioactive iodine and they take a picture of your lungs and make sure that the nodules haven't gotten any bigger. Uh so I had about uh three or four centimeter and a half going down my uh uh where basically where you if you think about your lungs as an upside down tree, it's right where that splits off, first splits off, is where your lymph nodes are. So my lymph nodes were uh very enlarged, and then I also had three to four centimeter and a half uh inside my lungs, too, as well. Um gotcha. And and that stayed, you know, a pretty uh benign uh diagnosis up until you know recently. Um till I was having you know my blood oxygen started dropping. Um and I ended up Did they know it was side cordosis at that point in time? They they suspected it, but it's one of those it's such a rare disease. Um and it doesn't normally affect uh male Caucasians. It affects uh um typically uh female African uh descendants, uh then males, then um, I believe uh some Eastern European descent. Um, but for me, they're they were like, this is you know, they didn't think, you know, they first thought it was lung cancer. Um, so I had a biopsy done. Uh so it came back, not lung cancer. So they're like, well, it's not lung cancer, it's probably psychidosis, but there's not really a way for us to tell um without being really intrusive. So it's it's one of those things where it's like it's not cancer, it's probably that, but we'll put it on the back burner for now because we'll just keep an eye on it.

SPEAKER_03 15:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

And they had been keeping an eye on it up until um around, and it happened before our episode, but again, you know, I never drew the, I never, I will, I didn't connect the dots then.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Oh, and just just for listener's sake, you was on in late February or early March, uh, episode four. So you knew this was happening uh before then, but you hadn't put it anything together.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

No, and that's that's kind of why I didn't bring it up. Um, I went right before my trip uh to Mexico uh that we talked about.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

I went and got my hair cut, and uh, I was getting my hair cut, and all of a sudden it man, I got real sweaty. And I don't sweat normally, so I'm not a real sweaty person.

SPEAKER_03 16:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Boy, I it was like somebody took a garden hose to me. And um, I looked down at my garment watch and I noticed my heart rate was like 130, 140, 160, 175. And I'm sitting down getting my hair cut, and I I just said stop, you know, stop cutting my hair. I stood out of the chair, I made it about four feet and and clasped on the ground. Holy shit. Holy holy wow. Yeah, made it to a chair. Um, and at this point, it did look like somebody took a guard a hood. My pants were saturated, my shirt was saturated, I got sweat dripping off my nose. Um, and there was a paramedic there, and he comes over to me, starts taking my pulse, he looks at my watch. My pulse at this point's 28 30.

SPEAKER_03 17:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

Um, and uh 28. So your heart rate was uh did it slow? Was that right?

SPEAKER_00 17:33

So it it crashed. It went from like 170 to all the way down to the 30s.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Uh okay, all right.

SPEAKER_00 17:42

Um, and I went to the doctor, and they're just like, you know, they took my blood lab, my blood, my labs, all my um, you know, magnesium, all my you know, electrolytes and stuff like that, and my um and they basically just patted me on the head and said, You're you're a healthy adult. You're all your labs are good. You probably had a viscous nerve issue or incident, and that caused you to pass out.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

And uh that kind of makes me mad too, just thinking, uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Yeah. And it pat me on my head, send me on my way. And I'm like, you know, I'm like, I don't think that's it. But you know, I just went along my way. I mean, I'm like I said, I'm not a medical expert, you know, and I I push back a lot with the doctors that frustrate them, but I can only frustrate them so much, you know. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

So they want you to they want you to leave. It's hard to, yeah, it's hard to do anything about it. So was this the beginning of the cardio cardiac uh psychordosis? Yeah. This is the beginning of you discovering it, right? Yep.

unknown 18:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

And I got on the plane to Puerto Rico, um, and I started having what's called PVCs, preventril contractions.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Well, you're gonna explain that.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

So the best way I can explain it is it feels like somebody punching me in the chest because your heart it pumps from one chamber to the next, and that's how it moves blood through your body. Okay, all right. Um, and a preventrul contraction is where I believe both parts of the heart try to contract at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

And then it then it just like a pump, it can't continue, so it stops for a second or two and then restarts. And then it does that, it did it again and again and again. So it was like every other heartbeat was one of these PVCs, preventriver contractions. Was you on a plane? I was sitting on a tarmac. Holy wow. And I didn't, my wife's next to me, and you know, we're getting ready to go to Puerto Rico. We have our buddies behind us, you know, going on the same family trip. Um, and I don't, you know, hindsight's 2020, but I don't want to look over her, you know, the planes taxiing out onto the tarmac. I don't want to say, I'm I think I'm having a heart attack, you know, because I had that issue, you know, um in the the getting my hair cut before Mexico. That was about a month or you know, three weeks before. And uh I was like, I just didn't want to be like, you know, turn that plant around and go back just because it's some Vesca's nerve thing or whatever. Right. I flew down to Puerto Rico and I just thought, you know, maybe it'll go away, you know, whatever. And it it it was the entire time I was in Puerto Rico, it was like every other heartbeat. Um and up until the point where I get back, and I call a um cardiologist and an electrophysiologist, which they do the um basically your heart beating. So you got two. I I didn't know this is stuff I just you know been learning. Um this has been a learning journey. Um you got a couple different flavors of cardiologists. You got your main cardiologist, and you got electrophysiologists that deal with the the rhythm and the beating and the electrical signals. And uh I went to him and uh we were just talking for a while, and you know, I was he he put a um halter monitor on me, 48-hour halter monitor, just basically monitor your heart rhythm. Yeah, and and uh at that point they stopped, you know, obviously. You know, when you get the dang thing on you. That's the way it works. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it still showed a six percent burden, which is, you know, not significant, uh, but it's not, you know, it's not low. Um, so he's like, you do have a six percent burden, but we don't treat six percent. I said, well, if it was on me about a week ago, it would have been 70.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

What, what, what, um, um so bur so when they say you say a six percent burden, it's like a blood clot or something.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

It's like uh that's it's like if you were to take all your heartbeats in a given 24 hours, it would have been six percent of my heartbeats for a 24 hour.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Okay, all right, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

Okay, yeah, so they that's why they say a six percent burden. Um, and he's like, Well, we don't treat that, there's nothing really wrong with you, all your labs are good, you know. You're here.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

We go again.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

Yep, and he's about ready. You know, he's a great doctor. I I can't talk bad about him at all, but um I was just like, I think there's something more to this, right? And um, I was like, you know, I was sitting in getting my hair cut about uh a month ago, three weeks ago, and I collapsed. And I got better on my own, you know, because my wife came picked me up, didn't go to the hospital. Wife came, pick me up, went home, slept it off. Worst idea ever.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Worst idea ever.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Um, and uh he goes, Okay, well, there's a little bit more to this story. My wife's sitting beside me, she goes, Well, about a year ago, we were on the plane to Puerto Rico, or not plane to go to Ireland. Same thing happened. I completely forgot about this. I was on a plane ride to Ireland halfway through, same thing, sweat, boom, bam, out. I was wife thought I was sleeping, I was passed out next to her. So I was like, so this isn't the first time this has happened. He's like, I was like, no. I was like, he's like, well, we could do a cardiac MRI, but they cost a lot. I said, I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

Let's get it done.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

Yeah, so um they scheduled the cardiac MRI. Uh I first had to go through an echocardiogram before I could get the MRI. That came back clean, no blockage, uh, no, no arterial blockage, which we'll get into that here in a bit, too. Okay. Um, and uh no major issues. Move on to the cardiac MRI. I have the cardiac MRI. Um, and in the meantime, I'm attacking this from every angle. I'm I'm also I'm going down to see one of the best doctors, uh uh lung doctors, uh, on in the East Coast. He specializes in psychordosis. Um, I knew, you know, I'm starting to connect dots at this point.

SPEAKER_03 24:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

So I already made an appointment for him. So I'm I'm down at a uh uh hotel for the next day getting to go get ready to go see uh my that that doctor for the pulmonary psychordosis, and I get the MRI results back. And uh the MRI MRI results say uh significant inflammation in the right uh atria atrial uh part of your heart. Um possible, if not very likely, uh active psychordosis, but they can't tell that it's active. They can just they just saw like my heart was so inflamed that it was having issues beating.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

And basically how it was described to me is you've got these electrical pathways in your heart that are used to send the pulses for your heart to beat. And as your heart gets inflamed, it gets harder and harder for the signals to make it to your heart. And uh my heart was basically getting beat. And uh so um I have that uh doctor's visit with him. He's like, well, the only way to see if it's active is to have a PET scan. Um and I don't wish this on anybody. PET scans are not fun. Um, you have to fast for 48 hours. Um, before that, you can only have like salted chicken because they say, Oh, well, you can eat fatty foods, right? You can eat chicken or steak covered in butter.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

Sorry about that.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

Yeah, so they're listing out all these foods you know that you can eat that don't have carbs in them. So they're trying to starve your body of carbs.

SPEAKER_03 26:39

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

Basically, which carnivore diet with with butter? And I'm like, well, that basically you can't use garlic either. You gotta use salt, pepper, chip. So I basically ate hard-boiled eggs with and chicken with salt and pepper on it, uh, cooked plain for for uh a few days beforehand, fasted for for 48. Um, went in there, it's it's about a seven-hour test. They start with uh first shooting you up with radioactive iodine, putting you in this big scanner. Um, then you wait, then they take you out of that. You have to uh wait for another uh two to three hours for that to clear out of your system, you still can't eat. Um, then they shoot you up with another radioactive iodine, they put you in another scanner um and scan that.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

And um basically with those two images combined, before you go too far, let's let me did you have to research all this stuff they shot you up with, like this iodine? Yep, yeah. So you needed to know it was mammal-free. Um, was it? Or did you have to search and find the kind they could shoot you up with? How did that go?

SPEAKER_00 27:54

So that's very I'm glad you asked that question because that's a great question. Um University in Kentucky has gone beyond uh what I've ever had with a doctor uh and a and a pharmacist. They just don't prescribe you something and send you off to the wind, right? Yeah, they had a pharmacist come in, sit down with me, and uh go over each and every medication that I have, and that he showed me um a site called uh Pill Clarity. I've seen that site, okay. And Pill Clarity, what they do is they take what's called the NDC, the National Drug Code. And if you have that NDC, you can send it to pillclarity.org, and they will tell you whether or not it has mammal ingredients. Not only that, you can take your entire uh medication list and give it to them, and they will find alternatives for you that do not have uh very mammal ingredients in them.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

And and this so so this die, you've done that, I'm assuming. Yes, yep.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

So after this uh die, well, in the middle of this, I'm at this point I've connected the dots, you know, I've talked to the doctors, you know, and and basically what we've come up with was no doctor knows the immune system 100%. Okay. Um if they do, they're lying, don't go to them. Um okay. And with my alpha gal, my IGE score has been greater than a hundred.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

It's over a hundred? Yeah. Like like one like it has the little sign?

SPEAKER_00 29:54

Yes. Are you okay? Uh that's big. All right. So they they it's a classic, you know, whatever. Um, but you know, it's dropped a little bit, it's cyclical, it's gone down to 60 and back up to 80, down the the 60, but mostly it stayed, it's the last time I got tested was 100. Um, and uh what they're saying, because you know, I just thought, and I I think we talked about this previous, but on the other podcast, but unless I ate meat, I wasn't I wasn't like you, like I wasn't having the reactions to micro, you know, I was still taking all my medications with magnesium stearate or lactose in them, right? Yeah, um, I was still eating chipotle with cheese and sour cream, and I was cheating, like, you know, I was still doing everything I shouldn't have. But yeah, other than upset stomach and all that other stuff, you know, I just kind of fought through it. I never thought, you know, this could be building up to something, you know, yeah, right my immune system so activated that it's now basically targeting everything else.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Um I I definitely want to get back to this um because I think this raises a good point that a lot of people don't consider when it comes to, oh, my body doesn't react. Well, you don't know it doesn't react, you just are not feeling it. Um okay, so I want to get back to this. Um uh I'm gonna write this down, but let's go back to uh the doctor. You're you got pumped full of stuff and he does the runs the test on you. Uh let's pick up, let's pick back up right there.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

So after, you know, um after the PET scan, um, a couple days later, I get a call from my doctor down at University of Kentucky, and he just called he called me from his personal cell phone as soon as he got the results, and he said, I'm sorry, but your heart lit up like a Christmas tree. He's like, You you've got active psychosis in your heart. Um, and without treatment, I've already lost, I think he said, uh, three people within the past 12 months to this. Wow. Um, he's like, I don't want you to be the fourth. You need to start treatment now.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Now, okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

So I he's like, I've called in the medications um for you. They're they're waiting at the pharmacy, pharmacy for you. Go get them, start taking them. Um not too long after that. My other electrophysiologist calls me, says, you know, you have active psychoidosis in your heart. Um, you need a uh um basically a internal I it's called an ICD, internal cardiac defibrillator. Um, and those come in a few different flavors. You got um TICD, which is transvenus, um, you got sub-SICD, which is uh it goes underneath your skin, um on your on your side, and then they've got a new ICD out called the EVICD.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

Now this is just like um this is like uh what they get for like AFib, correct? I mean, uh my dad has that he had he's uh I feel like he's had to wear one of those for a while up until he had his ablation. So it's it's the same thing, right?

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Well, no, you don't wear it, it's actually implanted in your body. That's but that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

I mean, it was was it now. Let me think. Uh anyways, uh I know somebody that's had, and it's like you take a shirt off and there's a knot under their skin right there. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

Okay, all right, all right. So um, and doing the research into that um ICD, primarily the TICD, um, where they have to cut into your your uh main, I don't know if it's the artery or main vein, um, then they put two probes and electrodes into your heart. And uh doing the research into that and reading this article, um that somebody, and I'm gonna, you know, we got these articles, we can link them in in the description um if you want. But basically, that this is where I started finding out the cardiac implications of alpha gout.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

And certainly okay. Now we're putting it together. All right.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

So I read this article to where um and through my research, I found out that people have you know passed away from this procedure, uh, where they're putting these uh ICDs in into you. Yeah, because they they rely heavily on heparin.

SPEAKER_03 35:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:05

And heparin is a uh blood thinner, uh, and that blood thinner is bovine derived. Yeah. And then the the uh leads that they use, so the the tool that they use to cut into your vein in order to like minimize bleeding. Yeah, uh, they they make that small incision, they they put the leads in. Um, that gel that they use is also bovine derived.

SPEAKER_01 35:33

Derived from the however they say it from a mammal.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

Derived, yep, derived from from a cow, from a mammal. And uh, so what they what they found was they they shot up one person with heparin, they realized they shoot you up with a ton of heparin. He started going into an anaphylaxis. So they're like, oh, it'll you know, it'll be fine. They didn't know the whole alpha gal thing. They put it, gave them benadryl, calmed it down a little bit, but what happened was when they cut into the vein, it caused the vein to to contract and collapse. And that was it, huh? And I I talked to my doctor, I said, you know, I because he wanted me to get one put in like yesterday, yeah. And and and also I can't get one put in because I'm on prednisone and uh methyltrexate, which are both amino suppressants, and um so um it led me like okay, now I'm finding out about the cardiac implications, like you can't even have a life-saving device implanted in you with alpha gal.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

So um, so I started it just stacks up like dominoes. I mean, and it's and and it's like um it it wouldn't be so bad if you didn't have the alpha gal. You could just they could do the treatment, but it just keeps stacking layer after layer, all because of a blood sucking tick. Um okay, go ahead. Go ahead, keep going, Will. Keep telling us.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

Yeah, and and just like it led me to the research that you know over 74% of the 100 most prescribed drugs have mammal ingredients in them. You know, so it's not just like um, which led me to, you know, talking to another doctor that told me a story about um, you know, they knew of a guy who thought was having a heart attack, could have been cardiac psychidosis, just like me. Yeah, um, put him in the ambulance. They had the paramedic knew he had alpha gal. So the paramedic didn't give him any medication, got to the ER. Guess what they shot him up with? Heparin. Lights out, that's all that that was the end. That was the end. I mean, we just we gotta be our own affigates, man. Um, I have to be right. Yeah, I don't know if like we need to get this pushed to be a bill, we need to get this pushed in the house. We need to all write our representatives and say this needs to be listed as a federal allergy. It needs doctor need it needs to be mandatory reporting, mandatory reporting, pill pill manufacturers, yeah, medical advocacy.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

Food manufacturers, everything 100%. Yes. Um, I don't know if you've been following Bill 578, but I have uh advocated for Ohio, and I have been to con I have been to the state house and I have uh um um done testimony in front of the House. Now the bill's in the Senate, so um we're kind of a little standstill right now. But uh Ohio is very close to getting mandatory reporting in the state, and we need it, we need it so very bad. And with that being said, Will, I do want to put the disclaimer in there that you're not a doctor. I am not a doctor, you are telling your story, and that's the craziest thing about Alpha Gao is what could have or would have happened had you not done your own research. Not only do we have to learn our own allergy and we have to learn our bodies enough, but we do have to do that research. Don't just go to the doctor and listen to the doctor do it yourself. Um the dentist, I had to do it with the dentist. Um, you know, um no gel if you get numbing or any of the things, you know, and that's a small thing compared to what you have going on. But at any given time, um, any doctor uh they could they could make your life bad or heaven forbid that they, you know, some don't care. I don't want to say they don't care. I don't want to say they don't care. I take that back. They don't know and they don't understand. That's exactly how Alpha Gal works. The education, we need the education. Uh speaking of that really fast, uh Alpha Gal Alliance has a new homepage. Go to my Facebook page, and I've already posted a link uh for Alpha Gal Alliance. Um and um if you need things to take to your doctor, um Sharon can she can you can send them a message, they will print you everything. If if you're in a state that doesn't under understand Alpha Gow syndrome, you send them a message and they can give you everything you need to do or every paper written down to take to your doctor to explain what you got going on and how to test for it. So I just wanted to throw that in real fast, Will. Yeah so tell us now, Will. So Will, I'm looking at you right now. You look good. Um you look you look healthy. Where where are we now? I know you're taking medication like crazy. Um but where are we now? And where do you see where do you see this progressing to um you know long term?

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Sure. Um, well, if you would have asked me this two months ago, the outlook would have been bleak for me. I just felt like I mean I couldn't even walk up a flight of stairs without going out of breath. Um you know, I I wasn't climbing very much. I couldn't even, I was having to stop hike like while I was hiking in the gorge, I was having to stop every five seconds and catch, you know, I'd look at my heart. Um, but starting medication, it took, you know, with pill clarity and getting back with the fig app, you know, that fig app sauce. Yeah. Um, using that and going 100% just what I call the AGV, the Alpha Gal vegan.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Yeah, AGV. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

I'm still eating chicken and fish and eggs. Can't take those away from me. You can't take them away, right? So um with with doing that, going a hundred percent um AGV, uh, my cough is gone. Oh, good, good. I I can breathe. My heart rate's better. I mean, now this could be the prednisone and methyltraxate 100%, but I'm a whole new person now. Yeah, I've got my life back.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

Um, I are are you uh are they gonna try to wing you off of the prednisone and the other drug as well?

SPEAKER_00 42:38

Yeah, well, it's actually kind of a ramp up and a ramp down. So they're trying to wing me off prednisone. Um that I was on 30 milligrams a day. Um then I moved down. Uh I'm on 25 right now. Then it that'll slowly taper as I uh taper up the mexaltrexate. So though uh I think it's like 50 or 60 milligrams. They want me on methyltrexate, it's a chemotherapy drug. Um, so it's not fun. Um, I took it. My body's getting used to it there. The first few times I took it. I mean, I'm telling you, I was like, well, I'm quitting drinking too, right? So um I don't drink anymore. And I'm like, well, that's kind of a kick in the butt. You you quit drinking, but you still hung over. You should you and yeah, I have to inject the methyltrexate, then the next day I'm I'm just as well have just drink a half bottle of carbon.

SPEAKER_03 43:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

Um, but I I'm doing great, man. It's it's night and day, but I just want to I want to get that out there because we don't, like I said, we don't have 20 years to link you know cardiac psychidosis to um alpha gal, just like Limes. They're both tick-borne pathogens, they're both coming from ticks. Um if if you're having you know breathing issues. Um you're having cardiac arrhythmias and issues with your heart, you know, it it doesn't hurt the push to get testing. Um the more testing we have out there with people with alpha gal, um, if they are having issues, the the more we can put this on because I had a I even had a uh genetics test around with over a hundred key markers for um cardiac issues that could cause similar things, right? Um they all came back negative. I I don't have anything that could I could have inherited that be could be causing this. So yeah, they're just flabbergassed it. And I I'm like the own this my life started declining after I got bit by that tick. Year after year after year, and I kind of equated it to getting older. I don't know. I just you know I I couldn't run as fast, I couldn't climb as hard. I every year I just started going down and down and down until here recently that I literally clasped. I just kept pushing myself harder. Um and I just want to get that out there, um, as well as the other cardiac implications um that I'm I I don't know if you're aware of or not, uh, with the the clotting disorders they're starting to see with yeah, I've been hearing some of it.

SPEAKER_01 45:20

Yeah, for sure. For sure I've been hearing some.

SPEAKER_00 45:22

Um that's the first thing. The first time I went to my cardiologist, I talked to him, and he he uh he mentioned, he's like, Yeah, the only thing I've seen with Alpha Gal is, you know, I've talked to one person who's who's now had eight stents, a young man that's had eight stents.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

And they never put it together.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

I mean, they never they have. There was Wilson out of um Virginia uh university, um put together a research uh on this issue with the cardiac implications and the clotting. Um and basically to give you the 20,000-foot view, right, yeah, is that um as you're getting these exposures to alpha gal and your immune system is kicking in and you're having what's called a mast cell event, um, your blood vessels are dilating. They're getting bigger. And when your blood vessels are dilated, it makes it easier for that fat to penetrate the walls and to cause uh plaque in your arteries uh to build up. But like a normal person, their arteries are always getting bigger and it's smaller, they don't do it as often as ours because ours with the exposures are getting bigger, right? And then it's able to penetrate. Um a normal person's arteries are a little bit more stable and it allows it to calcify what's called a stable clot. So when it calcifies, it's a stable clot. But because our arteries with alpha gal are always kind of getting bigger and smaller, it's not able to calcify what it's what which means it creates an unstable clot. And that leaves us at a higher probability of a clotting disorder and luggage.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

Oh my god. Man, they just keep stacking up, I tell you. Um Will, I don't think I don't think many people uh in your shoes would have as quickly um got to where you're at because of your research and your ag advocacy of of research. You just don't stop, I can tell. Um so I'm glad you're where you're at. Yes, yeah. Well, I used to, I I had I when I was, I don't know, a little younger, you know, or you know, I've especially before I've had about with gout off and on, you know, for a long time. And I'd get that predance done and be like, man, that stuff is awesome, man. I'd feel like a million dollars I'm ready to fight UFC and whatever. But the older I get, I can't take it. I I can't take it, man. It's just uh it it hurts my heart and and all kinds of things. I have issues with it trying to take it if you know. Uh yeah, yeah. Yeah. I I'm proud of you for the research and what you've done for sure. I'm glad to see that you're doing well. Let's touch on we mentioned a few minutes ago about reactions in the body. So I have been saying this. Um I've been saying this since I got this stuff. Uh how do you how do we know? It's like, okay, um, I I hear these people all the time say, I can't eat steak, but I can eat pork. Um and I don't react. How do you know your body's not reacting? How do you know that you're something inside of your body is doing something, but your immune system is beating it down and you just don't feel it, and you just don't know it. Now, you and I are, like I said, we are not doctors, but we know Alpha Gal. And I believe you said simply, still ate cheese and still ate milk and and and and butter and all the things. Yep. How do we know? We don't know. We don't know.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

I mean, unless they had like a continuous glucose monitor that monitors your IgE, your your immune reaction, the there's no way to tell. There's no way to tell. Unfortunately, there could be no way to tell until you're like me and your body's just been kicked and kicked and kicked and kicked up until the point where you know you're starting to cause it's it's like dominoes, man. And and that's kind of how the one doctor described it is that like if I just kept introducing the same allergen over and over and over, you just build that mast cell response. Yeah, right. And so, you know, your body just basically can't ha handle it, and it can cause all sorts of different wildfires. I mean, you're just pouring a little bit of gasoline on the fire each time. Each time, yep. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 50:17

And I and I and I I can't say I don't do it. I mean, um, I I can't say I don't do it. Uh I because I do, because I do. I eat cheese. I don't have I my I don't I I can eat now. I can't eat a ton of cheese. I mean, I can't eat uh, but I can have pizza. I can go to Miguel's and order a pizza and I don't get the vegan cheese, I get the regular cheese, and I feel fine. It doesn't bother me. But who's to say there is not damage being done inside of me and my immune system's not just beating it down? You know, because if I do eat uh let's say Mexican, for instance, where I eat a real excessive amount of cheese or something like that, I'll have some GI stuff. Um could it be just Mexican food? Or could it be uh, you know, I could be alpha gal telling me you better quit it, pal. Um you know we have to learn our bodies.

SPEAKER_03 51:12

So we do.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

Well, um uh this next thing here, you was talking to me a little about. I don't want to spend a lot of time by no means because we get into that deep dark hole, like the Bill Gates and the whole thing. But give us a rundown here. You have uh spoken with NPR, you have uh talked with two researchers, and I'm gonna say this very sarcastically. Uh, you have spoken with two researchers from West Michigan University where these son of a guns don't know nothing about Alpha Gal because they live in Michigan and they don't have it everywhere. But explain to us what's happened and what's happening, and maybe where we can find the link to where you've seen what you've seen.

SPEAKER_00 52:00

Sure, yeah. Um it's it's uh it's a published medical article. You can Google uh the beneficial bloodsuckers. Um and it's it's two uh researchers out of Western Michigan University, and uh they guise this um they guise this as a uh philosophy paper. Um but the the way I told it to NPR is you wouldn't tell somebody how to build a pipe bomb and guise it as philosophy. It's you know you'd get taken down on YouTube.

SPEAKER_03 52:42

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

Um you wouldn't you'd say war is good for the environment because it reduces population. Like if if you did either one of those, you you'd cross the bounds of ethics.

SPEAKER_03 52:57

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 52:58

It went too far. Went too far, nobody would publish you, and you would be, you know. Right. But these two researchers created an article called the Beneficial Blood Suckers, and then they went into uh basically detail on how to um spread it and uh using CRISPR and other technologies and uh how to get this impregnated in the ticks to then release it into the environment to uh basically make people allergic to meat in order to uh so people don't eat meat, so it's good for the environment. They reduce the amount of meat people are eating. And they even talk about the cardiac implications, they even talk about the the you know, this could be possibly life-threatening with anaphylaxis, but it's worth it.

SPEAKER_01 53:53

See, it's um it's making me mad just hearing you talk about it. So you read the paper and you reached out to the dean. Is that what you done?

SPEAKER_00 54:04

Yeah, I reached out to the dean. I got a boilerplate email back saying it's just philosophy and you know, cool your debts. But yeah, you know, I don't have access to CRISPR, you don't have access to CRISPR or any of these technologies, right?

SPEAKER_01 54:19

Well, what is CRISPR? Explain what CRISPR is.

SPEAKER_00 54:22

Explain that CRISPR is CRISPR is to give you a you know, I'm not, you know, again, I'm I'm an IT, I'm not a medical, I'm not a bioengineer. Um, but basically what it allows you to do is alter the genes of a uh specific pathogen in order to make it spreadable in a tick. So you they can alter the genes, just like, you know, um there, you know, I know they've done research on this in other countries, but yeah, you can you know use CRISPR in order to edit genes to make sure your kid has blue eyes or you know, blonde, you know, green you know, whatever eyes. Um, but we don't have access to that technology, but this world's big, big place. And this world's a big place, right? And putting that out there, who's to say, you know, somebody in another country doesn't have access to this? I mean, they're basically giving the blueprints for bioterrorism.

SPEAKER_01 55:17

Sure, exactly right. Yeah. So uh the dean gave you a blow off. Um and you talked to them, you did talk to these guys later, or just go we go from there to NPR? What happened?

SPEAKER_00 55:30

No, I just went there to NPR and you know had an interview with them. I don't know where that'll go, but um, you know, they had some pushback too um because you know, I I laid out the cardiac implications. Um, I laid out, you know, I've almost died from this once. I've been hospitalized twice. I'm now having heart issues. Um, I have no, you know, medical history of heart issues up until the point where I was diagnosed with alpha gal. I had liver, lung, then heart. Um, and you know, it took them 20 years to make that connection with Lyme's disease with cardiac psychidosis. I'm like, there's not a diagnosis. And they were like, oh, well, if there's not a diagnosis, then there's probably not a connection, basically. And I'm like, yeah, but I have no other issues but this now. Yeah, yeah. Alpha Gal and now this. And you know, it was rare for me to have this. Yeah, like I said, with you know, and and I'm like, we don't that that's why I'm saying we don't have 20 years to wait around. This is something we all have to be our own advocates, and you know, yeah, um Alpha Gal is so so different in every other individual. Um, and we just don't know anything yet. It's it's we're at the we're at the tip of the iceberg, is you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:46

We are definitely in the infant stages here, uh for sure, for sure. Um I sure wish we was farther along too, because yeah, yeah. I mean, it it makes me it uh you know it makes me think about what I do eat more. I mean, I you know, I've got my I've got my allergy figured out to the point where I can eat, I know what I can eat, and I know that I can feel fine. But like I said earlier, I've been thinking for a very long time, what kind of damage am I doing that I don't know that I'm doing? For instance, just like what happened to you, you know, um how many of us out there, how many people out there with Alpha Gal that are getting to where you got and don't know, don't they just they don't do the research like you do, and um heaven forbid where they end up, you know? Um I wish I had the answers. I wish I had the answers. I sure don't.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

Um, anything you want to go um like I told you, I was looking for a house down in the red. I'm I'm still looking for a house in the red. Yeah. Um had some good leads this weekend. Yeah, some good leads. Um I've I'm I'm looking now in Campton. Yeah, Campton's a beautiful little little town. Um still still some good because you know, I was looking at spending five hundred mid 500,000s for a yeah place in the red, and that's just like that just makes my palm it's making my palms sweat right now, talking about spending that much money. Like, could I? Yes, but do I want to? No. But right talking to the um realtor that was showing me the houses, you know, I don't know how this came up. It usually comes up. My wife just kind of like walks away when it comes up, the meat allergy. Yeah, he goes, My wife was just diagnosed with this yesterday.

SPEAKER_01 58:53

Oh, are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_00 58:55

That was on Friday, and man, me and him talked for we were walking this property and we were talking. Uh it that one was I went out, looked at uh uh was it? Um I think it was thir 13.6 acres and 47 acres and then eight eight acres um with houses on them. And man, I looked down, there's six ticks crawling up. Oh, that's how it got that's how it got brought up. I looked down, six ticks got crawled crawling up each leg. I said, keep make sure to keep those guys off you, they're they're lone stars, you could be allergic to red meat. Because my wife was just diagnosed yesterday with alpha gal. Yeah and I was like, and me and him, we spent about an over an hour talking about everything we just talked about, the things you need to watch out for. There's just no, you know, they basically said avoid red meat, send her on away.

SPEAKER_01 59:51

See, that's what they told me. Uh uh, and I quote, stop eating cheeseburgers. That's what he told me in the very beginning, you son of a gun. But he didn't know. It's Ohio, Doctor. He had no idea. So uh turn old boy on to the podcast. I'm hoping you already did that. Yeah. Um, but um, so you're looking in the red. That's my my place is it's a Campton address. It's on uh uh yeah, it's just uh it's a mile back to the west um on 15, just out of uh on 15 out of Camden. Um so we run up, we we need groceries or whatever, we run up to the camp and save a lot and stuff like that. So we're about uh take for instance Miguel's, we're about 15 minutes to Miguel's parking lot. So yeah. Uh and for the listeners, uh once again, um Will's talking about the Red River Gorge. I think I mentioned the gorge on every single podcast, it seems like. Um yeah, I don't know. I gotta get back down. Um, and I got some we got some rocking chairs for the front porch. Um, I got to get back down um um and get them put together. Uh maybe next week I'll get down. But um uh you can go to our well, you can go to our Facebook page, Will. Um it's called uh Hemlock Hill and Acorn Ridge at Red River Gorge. Um, but go to our Facebook page and hit the like button. That's our two cabins down there. Um we rent them through, we use a management company, we use um Red River Gorge Vacations. Um they're they're out of sight, man. They are absolutely out of sight. Sondra, the manager, is wonderful. The cleaning crews, the maintenance guys, man, they're such they they really care about my property, and I appreciate them a lot for that. Um but in the back of uh our property, I live uh ours is in Sunset Valley, and there's a development behind us that's kind of a little bit more in the infant stages called Victory Falls, but there's a few cabins in there that I I know is for sale, and there's a few builders in there that are building right now, too. Um so but we'll uh will so what about climbing? Have you been climbing?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:04

Oh yeah, Friday I went out when I got down there. Um didn't have much time, got out. Uh just did uh three or four climbs, and then uh Saturday after the showings got out, uh did three or four more climbs, you know, both me and the wife, uh, but you know, three or four pieces after looking at houses all day.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:23

Then yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:25

Right now heading back to Miguel's or camping on the back side of their property in the in the camper bands, so it's nice and quiet. Uh, but hopefully we'll have that house here soon. I'll be living down there full time, climbing full time and having the time of my life.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:39

I'm looking forward to that for you. Uh 4th of July. Did you see uh local honeys are playing at Miguel's uh on the fourth? Um, which is gonna be awesome, awesome. I love the local honeys, they're out of sight. I think they play an early set for, or not call them early set, they're from eight to nine, somewhere like that, I think. And then uh they're gonna have fireworks at dusk, and then um um and then they do a late set from like 10 to 11 or something like that. So uh yeah, I we my wife and I might try to make it down um for the fourth. We have um I live on a little lake here in Ohio, Lake Loch and Gren, and then we have fireworks Friday night on the lake. But we're thinking that uh we really might get up Saturday morning and head down to the gorge so we can see the local honeys at Miguel's. So if you make it down, shoot me a text and we'll get to uh we'll get to meet face to face. And um I won't buy you a beer because you don't drink anymore.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:39

But yeah, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:44

So anything else you'd like to add, uh uh uh Will before we get off of here?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

No, I think uh just just you know, everybody just needs to keep an eye out uh on their situation. Um listen to your body.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:57

Uh listen to your body.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:59

And uh you know, uh be careful about your medications, what you're taking, pillclarity.com.org, um, and other, you know, um sources. And uh yeah, just be vigilant, be your own advocate. Push.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:19

You got we have to be, man. That's just the thing we have to be for sure. So um, well, man, I appreciate you coming back on a second time. Let's do this. Um, this is um let's see, this is June. Um let you and I do this again. I'd like to follow up with you in the winter time. I'd like to hear that you're back off medications, and I'd like to hear that I don't know, maybe you're doing more natural something, you're figuring things out. Uh, speaking of that, you turn me on to NAC because we talked about the fatty liver. Um I haven't started it yet, but I tell you what I'm doing is I'm doing a natural, I'm trying a natural uh cleanse with blueberries, uh cinnamon. You know, um I'm gonna try this for a while um and before I start taking any supplements or anything. But um, I've really looked into the NAC. I think it's definitely what I need, but I'm gonna try some natural stuff for a while first. Um I've already started this blueberry and cinnamon uh regiment. Um, and it's just you know take me a big shake. It's uh smoothie pretty much every day, you know. Um, and um, man, I just I mix them, and man, it tastes really good. So I chug it, throw it back, you know. Um, but I'm gonna give it a try, see what happens. I'm not really scheduled to go back to the doctor. I'm about I have this goal to be down so far in weight by turkey season. I said in the last episode I didn't quite make it, I made it about halfway. And but I think it's gonna be better for me to not lose it so fast, to lose it a little slower. I mean, it's not like. I'm heavy. I'm just over 200 pounds, but I probably should be 190 or something like that at least. Um, so that's where I'm heading. Um, but um uh yeah, I'm gonna just try some natural things. So I hope to follow up with you maybe in the winter and we can hear some hear some uh uh some good reports from you then.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:19

Yeah, I'm gonna have a uh another cardiac PET scan done in November. So we can probably look at you know in end of November, maybe beginning of December. Uh sounds great. And uh yeah, uh they call it NAC. Um, it's a precursor to glutathione. Um as well, another supplement that's good to take with that is glycine, which they normally call that supplement combination glynac.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:47

Um because glycine comes in uh with NAC. Uh we used to get a lot of glycine in our diet back in the day uh because we used to eat nose nose of the tail. Right. So being an alpha gal, you don't have access unless you're doing fish collagen, right? You don't have access to a whole lot of collagen. And you're not, I don't know about you, but I'm not eating chicken knuckles.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:11

No, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:12

Um glycine, NAC um is good if you actually get if you come into the hospital ER with uh uh Tylenol overdose, uh they give you NAC. Um basically it's it's like a steroid for your liver. It allows your liver just to go into, you know, it produces glutathione, which helps your liver clean your body out of all that good stuff and flush it. They use saved there's been studies linking um NAC uh supplementation to treat fatty liver disease. Um, so when I did all that research, um, because I started taking NAC actually when I started having the coughing issues, and NAC is used for uh lung issues too. So I started taking it for that, and then I didn't connect the dots till later that after I started taking NAC, my liver enzyme dropped from 80 to like 12.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:09

And then when I'm taking the uh 50 units of methyltrexate now every week, and they were wanting, they were gonna they're gonna say, well, your liver enzymes are gonna, you know, slowly spike, uh, but they'll you know, once your body gets used to it, it'll come that back down. Um, and my liver enzymes, my ALT is 14 and my AST is 15 still. They never went up.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:35

Never went up. But I'm still I'm I'm doing heavy and I'm doing an NAC in the morning, and NAC and glycine in the night, uh, 600 milligrams in the morning, 600 milligrams of NAC at night with an additional three milligrams of glycine. Um, and that's my my stack right now, as well as folic acid and B12 because of the methyltrex. But yeah, um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

Well, that's the route I'll take. If the blueberries don't help, um, that's definitely the route I'll be taking. But um, yeah, it's that it's that cholesterol fat inside of us. You know what I mean? It just gets around your organs. I mean, some people are gonna be walking around thin and have so much of that cholesterol fat inside of them that it's just bad on your organs, you know. Um, I think that's a lot about what's got me for sure. Um, but anyways, uh Will man, I greatly appreciate you coming back on. Um, I'm glad to see you're doing well, glad to see you're climbing. And I'm looking forward to running into you at the gorge for sure. For sure. So I'm gonna hit this. I don't know how long we've been on. We've been on for a while here. I'm gonna hit the record button and shut us off here. So hang on just a second. Thanks for tuning in to Alpha Get Outdoorsman. Make sure to hit that follow button until we meet again. Where are your ticker fellows?