Rethinking Money, Bitcoin & Financial Ownership | Francisco Colombo | S2E36

In Season 2, Episode 36 of Igniting Inspired Inquiry, I speak with Francisco Colombo, Co-Founder of Bitcoin Journey, about money, systems, and what it means to take ownership of your future.

With over 8 years of experience, Francisco focuses on making Bitcoin education simple and accessible — helping people understand this technology in a way that feels grounded and usable.

We explore the way we’ve been conditioned to think about money, and how questioning these systems can open up new perspectives around freedom, responsibility, and value.

We are here to open the door to reflection, resonance, and revelation — and this conversation does exactly that.

Connect with Francisco:
Website: https://bitcoinjourney.nz
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bitcoinjourney.nz/
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Email: info@bitcoinjourney.nz

Join us — and step into a space where real conversation is felt, not just heard.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Welcome to Igniting Inspired Inquiry, a space for real conversations with incredible humans. I'm your host, Jay, and I'm here to open the door to reflection, resonance, and revelation. If you have a moment to like, share, subscribe, or review, I would deeply appreciate you sharing the love. This is a space for truth, trust, and the kind of insight that comes from simply being human. Thank you for being here. Let's begin. Today I get to have a beautiful conversation with a beautiful human who I've met more than once, but usually in Queenstown and usually at Well Space, lastly at Wellfest. And a few listeners in the audience will be like, man, how many people did you meet at Wellfest? A lot. So today we have a guest from actually, I think he's currently in Queenstown, but I'm making an assumption. Francisco. So I'm going to hand it over to you and thank you so much for being here. But share with us to start with who is Francisco.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Okay, thanks so much for having me. It's an honor to be here. I do believe that the person that I am was molded by my past experiences. So I'm just going to tell you a little bit about my life. Yes. I was born in Argentina. I then moved a lot on my childhood because of my dad's work. I live in Rome. I lived in the south of Argentina in the Patagonia, which is a place very similar to Queenstown, like Montan's Lake. I think that woke up in me a lot for the outdoors. Then I went to Madrid and then went back to Buenos Aires, where I study law. So I'm a lawyer back in Argentina. I studied for five years, and then I worked for five years just to realize it's not my thing. So it was a lot of time. Wow. Yes. So that was a big moment in my life because it made me realize that there's gotta be something else. It was a big twist because yeah, I spent five years studying a whole career, right? And then after experience, you're like, yeah, it's not for me. So that started a quest that was 10 years ago. That's exactly more or less when we came to New Zealand in search of a new life, just traveling, you know, like uh with my partner. We've been together for yeah, 10 years. And we said, you know what, we don't have a mortgage, we don't have kids, let's just explore, let's go for an adventure. And for the past 10 years, I've been doing different work, just this constant quest of being like, What do I enjoy doing? Right? Like, who am I? Right? Answer your question, who am I? And it's been very exciting. It's uh when you travel, you're able to see different experiences, you meet different people, you challenge yourself. And I'm in a point now where I believe listening to my to myself more, to my inner self, like listening to what I enjoy doing, what makes me happy. I think that when you have to let things flow, when things flow, that's a good sign of being like, yeah, what when you when you think and speak and do, and it's all aligned, it's all coherent, that is where the path is. I'm in a moment now where I think I'm quite open-minded, open to new experiences, and something that very important that happened in my life as well was a trip I did to Nepal, where I combine my love for hikings for the outdoors with also a Buddhist seminar. Like I readmire the Buddhism philosophy. And yeah, constant quest to learn and meet new people.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

I love that. Wow. And it's so true that when we journey in that way and we travel, and I know this for sure, that we deepen our relationship with self. And then when we do that, we are more in the intuition, we're more in the flow of what's right for us and what's coming through for us in terms of where we're being shown, what opportunities and what's not. It's so special.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Yeah, traveling like it gives you a new perspective, right? Like a new perspective of ways of living, things that maybe in your country are normal, but it's not in somewhere else. So you're like, what is the right thing? What is the normal? And you find out that there is no normal thing. It's like it's just fulfilled and what makes you happy.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

Yeah. I also think that traveling gives you a different perspective of yourself.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Oh yes. Oh, yes. Being in the travel have you traveled much? Like where are you originally from?

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Yes. I am actually originally from New Zealand and born again. Yeah. And actually living back where I was born, I spent a lot, I spent nearly 10 years traveling. Yeah, in Europe and in the States, and through Thailand, and through about lots of places, lots of places, Central America.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Back in that okay, I've seen you, but yeah, okay, nice.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

Yeah, I keep coming back. There's a lot of a lot of people I love here.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

That's a good thing, right? You you're exploring and you say I can always go back, right? If I don't like the new place, I can always go back.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

So yeah, and I think the older I get, the more I want to come back. And that's a good thing. I love that. Okay, so now we get to roll into question number one, which you know the common thread. So for you, which you sure kind of alluded to a little bit already, but there might be another one, and there's always more. What's one moment, belief, or experience that changed the way you see the world?

SPEAKER_00 5:33

All right, yes, that is a fantastic question. I've been thinking a lot about that, but it was quite fast for me to answer as well because there is this thing I've been thinking a lot for the past eight years, and this thing is Bitcoin. It started very gradually, like first, it was just some articles here and there. Just uh, I'll read a little bit, and then months go by, and then just a little bit more. And suddenly, the more you start learning about this, or at least this happened to myself, I got so drawn into. I I there was a moment for the past like five years, I can't, I just can't stop learning about this thing, and it never happened to me. Like, I studied law for five years, different subjects, and I never ever had a topic which I enjoyed so much learning. So, as we talked before, you know, the flow, like it flows, like I want to learn about this. I I like it a lot. So Bitcoin changed the way I see the world in many, many ways. So much that I think about it every day. I think it's it's so powerful. Can I ask you, Jay? Like, do you know much about Bitcoin?

SPEAKER_02 6:41

Do I know much about Bitcoin? Yes, no, no, not in the scheme of things, not so much. It doesn't mean I don't know what it is, but have I dabbled. No.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Amazing, but you're open-minded, you're like willing to learn, right? Yeah, that's why you're here. Exactly. Great, great, great. So, eight years of my life I've been spending. So, as I start learning more and more, I end up reading yeah, dozens of books, thousands of hours of podcasts, traveling for conferences worldwide, connecting with people, using this technology. So I've spent so much time in this, and for me, it's so powerful that what I came up, and my project is called Bitcoin Journey, which is pretty much teaching about Bitcoin, which is a new passion of mine. It's something I just love. And sometimes I think about you know, high school teachers and people who who love teaching, like I never had that before Bitcoin, because I found something which I think is very worth sharing. So, what I do pretty much is I explain Bitcoin in two hours. We don't have two hours, so uh I'm I'm doing my best to try to explain in about in a few minutes, right? So, I'm gonna do my best, okay? I believe in you. So, Bitcoin is a technology, and and please let me know if you follow this line of thought. If you don't understand something, please stop me. But I'm trying to be as simple as possible. Got it. Bitcoin is a technology, right? And technologies change our life forever. They be good technologies, they empower us. So you compare with the internet, right? If it wasn't because of the internet, we wouldn't be talking right now, right? You wouldn't be able to connect with someone who's away from you, maybe thousands of miles away. So you can connect with people that before you couldn't, right? There's more human connection, and also with the internet, we forget how incredible it is to be able to learn anything you want for free, right? We have so much knowledge in the palm of our hands, and uh I think we I think we have the same age, right? We also remember like how it was before the internet, right? Things were very different, but as we get used to that, we just take it for granted. But it's incredible how it empowered us. Well, Bitcoin is the same, Bitcoin empowers a technology that empowers us in ways that are still at the moment hard to understand, but it's extremely powerful. What Bitcoin does is it exposes a big flaw of our current system, of our financial system. Our financial system is broken, but most people they cannot see it because we are not really taught about how the financial system works. By financial system works about money, so Bitcoin does they it's a new form of money, a better, improved form of money. But to understand that, you have to first know what is money, and money is something that so there's a lot of so there's so much misinformation about Bitcoin, and I'll give you an example about Welfest. Like two years ago, when we were in Welfest with our small stand, be like, hey, come and learn about Bitcoin, we'll teach you so on. Someone came next to us and they were like, Oh, Bitcoin, what are you guys doing in Wellness Fest? You don't belong here. So, yeah, so really yeah, yeah, yeah. And and that's the thing. Like, most people when they hear Bitcoin, they hear investment, they hear risk, they hear it's just about making money, just about becoming rich or whatever, right? So that's the first thing that comes. If you only read a newspaper, that's what you're gonna get. If you haven't read any books or dive deep into it. So, what I do is I teach Bitcoin because it's way more deeper than that. So, the question so Bitcoin is the best form of money, and what is money? Even though we use money every day of our life, even though we work every day for money for a whole life, not many people have very clear what is money. So, I'm gonna do an exercise with you, Jay. That's okay. I'm gonna ask you to close your eyes and think about money. Okay, you have to think about lots of money. Think about money, think money is ready. Okay, open your eyes and tell me what. So, were you thinking about this by any chance? No, were you thinking about this? No, just for for people listening. I'm just showing uh sorry, yeah, only listening. Yeah, I was showing the American American dollar, yeah, American dollar, and the museum dollar, but you were not thinking about what kind of money were you thinking about?

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Well, honestly, I was just thinking of the flow of energy. Okay, interesting. I love that because that's the way I see money.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Okay, yes, and that's exactly how you should see it. Because most people, they I mean, with you is not the case because, again, of course, you you are on a higher level, but most people they think about this paper money, right? American dollars, which you can build, and think about that, and that is just a form of money, another form of money is gold. So, gold is also a form of money. So, money is something that so something that we use that we as a society we give value, and it's good to trade for one another. We decide that, okay. And I'll give you an example. Do you have a business, Jay? Do you have your own business by any chance?

SPEAKER_02 12:16

Yes, more than one.

SPEAKER_00 12:17

Yes, what what do you do? It's telling you one of them. Well, people pay you for that.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

I I work in mindset mental health, so coaching, mentoring.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

Okay, perfect. Someone comes to you and it's like, Jay, I would like you to coach me. I'm gonna pay you in American dollars. What do you say?

SPEAKER_02 12:37

No, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 12:39

No, no, you say no.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

I don't think uh what do you say?

SPEAKER_00 12:48

Sorry, what kind of money would you take then? It's like hey, I I want I mean, actually, it does I wouldn't say no.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

Uh uh in whatever way, in whatever way it comes, is in whatever way is is their flow. I know that's different to the norm, but like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:05

No, no, fantastic. Okay, you're making things hard for me, but it's a good point. But listen, most people would say, Yeah, I'll take dollars, and you'd be like, Oh, well, you know what? I don't have dollars, I have gold. Would you take gold? Um, some people like, yeah, I'll take gold. And then imagine someone comes to you and it's like, hey, I'm gonna pay you with Venezuelan bolibres. I'm just showing you a lot of paper, a lot of bills, right? Yeah, of something that used to be money, but now it's pretty much worthless. It's like so many paper bills that they're worth nothing. So most people to that, they would say, No, sorry, I'm not gonna take that because it's worthless. So, money is just something that we decide, like just like you. You'd be like, Yeah, I take this, I don't take that. Maybe it's be like, you know what? You can pay me by doing some work for me. You know, you help me with something like in wellness. You guys say if you come and volunteer, you can use these facilities. And people are like, Yeah, I don't want money, I just wanna trade. Exactly. And I love that, yeah, and it's amazing. The thing is that money, deep down, and this is really what you said, represents something which is very, very deep, which is our time and energy. You said that yourself, your energy, so money represents so we spend most of people work nine to five five days a week. They spend so much time in any job, you know, cooking, cleaning, car rental, whatever, and they give you their time and energy, and in exchange, they get paid in this type of money, which is government issue currency, right? This money, however, so every time I say money, I want you to associate. I don't know you already do, but maybe the audience, money is time and energy. Okay, yeah, got it. The problem, the the problem we have is that this type of money, the paper money issued by governments, has a big flow. As time goes by, the value of this paper goes down. Okay, so if I get paid a hundred dollars today and I hold these a hundred dollars for five years, I'm not able to purchase what I was what I was able to purchase ten years ago. The value has gone down. Okay, so that means that your time and energy has lost value, right? Now it's not as good as it was, right? And why does this happen? Is this normal? Is this okay? So the problem is that we are not taught how this system works, how who can print money, who can create money, because the truth is that unless you really study, most people don't spend time learning about this. I'm from Argentina. Argentina is a country that has huge inflation. Inflation is pretty much prices rising very much, very often. So in Argentina, as soon as you get paid in pesos, people they buy dollars because compared to the pesos, the dollars is stable, it will keep its value for longer. In Argentina, there was a time where I lived there that you go to a restaurant and the menus had no price, you had to ask because they were changing every day, right? That is how unstable that was. Things get more and more expensive. That means that getting by gets harder because your wage doesn't go up at the same level that inflation, right? Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_02 16:44

Yeah, I can hear you. Yeah. So that must be really hard, right? Because then you're also like you're like, because it's about the flow of energy and trusting that flow of energy. And so if that's constantly happening, happening even to the point of ordering your meal, that must be really hard to be to feel safe with that, too.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

100%. So it's every Argentinian, they are used to, as soon as they get paid, I need to do something with this money. I need to buy, I don't know, maybe a microwave, I need to buy dollars, I need to buy something that doesn't melt because this money it melts. In Argentina, it melts in days or weeks. The American dollar also melts, but it takes years, but it also melts, right? So we have a type of money that goes down in value over time. Wouldn't it be great to have a type of money that keeps its value over time? So if I can buy something now, I should be able to buy the same thing in about 10 years' time. Wouldn't it be great if I can keep my time and energy if I don't lose it, right? So when you start asking about money, you're asking, okay, how was this created? And I'm gonna do a very fast history lesson, which is pretty much there was a time where all these government currencies were backed by gold. Did you know this? Right? So there was gold, gold was the main form of money, and government issue bills based on the gold they have. This was until 1971, where in the Richard Nixon said, from now on, you cannot redeem your paper for gold anymore. Okay, now there's no limit because in the past you could only create these the bills based on the gold you have, right? And now the link has been broken. That means that starting that moment, each country has the power to create as much money as they want. Okay, and that is the ultimate cause of inflation. But not only can they create as much as they want, but they can also they have absolute control of your money, which is your time and energy. And I'll tell you something that happened in Argentina. In 2001, people woke up, they went to their bank, and they said, Hi, I would like to withdraw my savings, my American dollars. And the bank said, I'm sorry, government orders, all your accounts has been frozen. This happened in 2001. I can only speak this happened in many parts in the world, mainly third world countries, but this happened in my country while I was alive. So that means that with just a stroke of a pen, just by a decree, a few people can freeze millions of people's money, time and energy, and they can also devalue their time and energy. Okay, so a few control the many because who makes these calls? Politicians, and who are politicians? They're people like us, that they can be greedy, they can be corrupted, they can do things they want to have book intention, but they can also be mean, you know, like so. It's just people with that make can make mistakes, and they have done a lot of mistakes in the past. So the idea that I can't stop thinking about beacon is because we can solve this problem because most people don't know we have a problem. They think it's okay to have inflation, they think it's it's okay to always struggle to make ends meet, it's always okay to think make things harder over time. Like saving money it gets harder when things divide over time, right? So I might I make this analogy, and this is why I'm so passionate. Is barbaric what we perceive today as barbaric in the past, in the past used to be normal, okay? So in the past, uh we were ruled by kings, right? Kings decided over their population, they could make any rule they want, they could send you to war if you want if they wanted, they they ruled kings, right? In the past, there used to be slaves, right? Either you were a slave or you had a slave, but that was the normal thing. We think about that, it was like that is crazy, that's insane. But in the moment, it was the normal thing, it was the status quo, it's the normal thing, right? Until revolution comes along, until people say, like, wait a minute, this is not okay. Why someone should decide over my life? Why I should be property of someone else, right? Well, the thing that I want to wake up people with my worship teaching about Bitcoin is like it's not okay for a group of people to be able to freeze and devalue the savings, the money, the time of energy of millions of people just by a stroke of a pen. That is not okay. Okay, and before Bitcoin, there was not a tool to fight that. There was not a tool. The only way where you can fight that against inflation is if you had a financial education. Because what do you do with your money? You buy stocks, you buy gold, you buy houses. But most people they don't know about finance because it takes a lot of time and effort. And this is not taught at school. They should teach this at school, but they didn't teach it at school, right? They never teach about mortgages, about interest rates, about the importance of saving, right? So Bitcoin is the is uh the solution uh to this problem, but uh there is so much misinformation that people can because there's like like everything, there's people trying to take advantage, there's people who want to yeah, confuse, they want to say so there's a lot of misinformation. But uh the goal of Bitcoin is to empower people with a type of money that doesn't rely on third parties, it's a money that no one can control, and it's that's why I have this t-shirt that says uh rulers, uh sorry, rules without rulers, okay. It's a set of rules about uh how much money is there, how it's created, and that no one can create more of and so so it's it completely changes the system. Like if I ask you today, Jay, how many American dollars are gonna be printed tomorrow? Can you tell me that?

SPEAKER_02 23:04

No, nor do I care.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

Of course, but the thing is that no one can ever know because it depends on politicians. Yeah, tell me please.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

Well, it's just not real. Like it can you can hold it in your hand, but it's still not real.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

Like the paper, yeah. Tell me something about that.

SPEAKER_02 23:23

Uh oh well, what I mean is like as you're saying, it can it can anyone can change the value of it at any time and the access to it, print more, take it away from you, like that. It's the same with money that's moving around in your accounts, it's literally just electric, you know, it's yep. Banks are taking care of it, they're taking this, they're taking that, which is interesting. And I love what you shared, and it's it's really beautiful for you to sort of really land that in a way that it aligns with why you're passionate about it.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

And yeah, and uh, yeah, thank you so much. No, please, please. And uh that that's the thing is that for me, the most important part is understanding the idea, the idea, because we can go with it with the technicalities and so on, but it's just like you know, like a car, you know, you use a car, but you don't know to know how an engine works, how you're not a mechanic, and that's fine, you can still use it. But what you should know is that Bitcoin by design, it will it's the opposite of what we have, which is something that devalues over time. Do you know how much so just so you know, one Bitcoin was worth 70 years ago one cent. Okay, you know how much one Bitcoin is worth now? I don't know it's there is reason behind it and so on, but like it is that shift of mind saying there is some money that no one can take away from me, no one can devalue my time and energy.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

Yeah, question two, which is in the moment. So I want to ask you with everything you shared. Now I want to know how has Bitcoin changed your life personally.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

Great, yes. So what Bitcoin allows pretty much is for everyone to have savings. Pretty much if you buy some Bitcoin, again, no guarantee on this, no financial advice. But what I think is gonna happen is that over time, whatever you buy Bitcoin, one dollar, ten dollars, whatever you want, it's gonna gain value over time. That means that you're gonna have savings, okay? And savings are so important because savings it's you thinking about your future self. Okay, instead of spending the money right away, I'm gonna save some money. What if I lose my job? I'm gonna save some money for a holiday or a business or for a house, right? So savings is thinking about your future self. The problem is that the old system doesn't incentivize savings because it melts. Bitcoin is the opposite. If you have a long-term thinking, it will reward you.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

So is this something so you're sharing that? So is I'm asking about like your life personally. So how is this something that's impacted you in that way?

SPEAKER_00 26:05

So because I was able to save some money in Bitcoin that now has gone in value, it's not too much, but it's something, it is enough for me to take a risk, and the risk was okay, I don't like my current job, but I do want to pursue this other passion, which is teaching Bitcoin. Can I try? And because I have some savings, I'll be like, you know what? Let's go for it. If you don't have any savings, if you're always looking for ends meet, you are on survival mode. Your rent, food, you cannot build anything. And that is why I think that anyone that looks into it now, in the in the next five, ten years, is gonna create opportunities for them to pursue their passion and to build something there. And again, teaching about Bitcoin is something I didn't know before this, because I want this for everyone. I want to take a risk to try new things.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

Yes, I love it. But I and and whether it's Bitcoin or something else, what I'm hearing and what I love is that when we really deeply, and you said about the flow, when we really deeply find something that we're passionate about, it's a no-brainer. We just keep going in, right? And it just like it fills us with a purpose and passion that not only takes control of our life in a good way, influence, yes, but it it can then, and I can hear that in the way you're sharing, and and the way you want to share it, it's like that you want other people to be able to experience this too. It's just beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

Some some people they know their passion straight away, some people they don't, and they need time to find out. That was my case. Or we have more than one, or more than one, exactly. So just being happy, you know, we enjoy the join the process.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

Agreed, yeah, and I'm excited. I'm already thinking you need to come back and carry on like chapter two of the Bitcoin journey. No, it's good, it's good. I love it. But we will we'll roll into it because you have a question for me. So let's roll into that. So, reflecting light, what question do you have?

SPEAKER_00 28:07

So, of all the episodes you had, which one is your favorite? No, I just get it. Just kidding, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding. The question is I'm realizing now that I teach about Bitcoin, how important is human connection? So, I'm I'm thinking like when it comes for you to learn something new or something you have learned in the past, how important is the human connection? How important is to have a good teacher based on your experience? Basically, like when you learn something new, I mean you have a good mentor on some things, how to approach new things. How important is to know someone that will teach you about that?

SPEAKER_02 28:47

How is it? I think I'm clear on the question. Like, how important is the connection that you have with the person you're learning from?

SPEAKER_00 28:54

Learning from, or yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 28:56

Like, yeah, okay, I got it. And that's a really beautiful question, and it's really interesting because I've got quite a strong opinion about this. Okay, okay, and I learned I learned through many, I've had many mentors, teachers, guides, yeah, and then some others, and honestly, I think the most important thing about the connection that I have with someone I'm learning from or with is that I feel the equality, like, and what I've experienced is the opposite, which is a lot of superiority, a lot of I have what you need, a lot of you must do what I say. This is the only way it needs to go. So I'm giving you what it's not, which to me is not authentic connection, but it's not the connection that I want to have with the person I'm learning or growing from or with. Does that make sense to you?

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Yes, a hundred percent. So it's like it's about how you feel because yes, in this kind of thing, there's a lot of ego, you know, there's a lot of ego, and it's also like sometimes for us to learn something is we need to trust that person first, right? When things come from someone we know, a friend, or a friend of a friend, it is different. It is different, and that and that's something you build over time, you know, a reputation, like trust, it takes time. But I do think it's the best way of learning, like yeah, from someone who experienced that and someone you you slowly trust, right?

SPEAKER_02 30:30

That too, but I also feel that it's really important that every time I work with them, I'm going away with tools for myself, not going away thinking I need you in order to get, you know what I mean? So it's like it, and it's the same with the clients that I work with. I'm I feel I'm not doing my job right if you haven't gone away with tools that you know how to resource yourself.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

Nice.

SPEAKER_02 30:55

If you leave and you feel like you can only do the work you need to do with me, then I haven't done my job right.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

That's because I every time I yeah, and that's the way it should be. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

And so that's that's why I was like, this is a really big like this. I've got some big opinions on this. It's not because I feel that way. I and I've experienced the opposite, and I've been led down that path. I spent a lot of money thinking that I needed that person in order to do the thinking for me, which is I guess that guy's that's what comes back to it too, is like if I'm not feeling like I'm building my own tools and my own resources, then I'm just being led.

SPEAKER_00 31:41

And that's something to realize after yeah, going through many masters, many different things that only comes with experience, I guess. And now you can tell when someone is more like, yeah, give you the tool, or it's more like selfish, being like, you need me to or you to learn something.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Yeah. Um yeah, and and I think though, sometimes the unconsciously, some people are actually looking for that because unbeknownst to them, well, maybe consciously or unconsciously, they're looking for someone else to where I want to be. I'm like I creating my own path and my own life and my own skills and my own resources, so I can stand even more so on my own two feet and help others with that rather than can you do it for me?

SPEAKER_00 32:27

Yes, 100%, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

And I think maybe that's the difference.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Is there something I'm sorry if I do one more one more question, but is there something you're learning right now that you are passionate about learning now?

SPEAKER_02 32:41

Something, yeah, it's actually really interesting because of where we're at in this podcast, but it's something that I'm really deeply playing around with is the energetics of money, but also how money receiving, so the energy of receiving and being supported, and the energy of value and valuing self. And so whether you're under and and undervaluing and overgiving, or like where you sit with that, and so it's not something that's broken, that's something that I'm playing with, and I really love that because I think that I like what you said, it's not the same, but I don't think we have the right view of how we should value ourselves or can value ourselves, and also that money is energy, and it's a reflection of how you feel within yourself as well, and in terms, and when I mean a reflection is in terms of whether you choose to learn about it and work with it and take care of it, or whether you choose to let it have power over you.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

Amazing. That's that's that's very interesting. I I and I'm similar there because what I do, for instance, I love so much teaching about Bitcoin that I would do it for free, but at the same time, it's like, hey, I need to make a living. So right?

SPEAKER_02 34:08

So it's and it's your yeah, because it's your person, it's your passion, and you're creating skills and resources and tools for other people to be able to set themselves up for their well-being. So absolutely, so you needed to hear that.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

No, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

Because and well, it's funny because I was talking about this just the other day, but like through being like with especially with yoga and with meditation and things like that. In my life, I've had a lot of people people judge me for charging for things, even meditation. It's like, why would you why would you charge for that? You can't charge for that because some people view that as something that should be charity or it should be gifted. And and my answer to that is you pay your painter, right? You pay your dentist. Like, this is my job, and I choose it. So, yes, I need a living.

SPEAKER_00 35:02

100%, and I guess it depends on the society, but then as you do this also, like when you charge, like, and I know what I teach is very valuable, and I enjoy it so much that I would do it for free, but at the same time, the fact that it it also changes the person who's paying, it changes perfection. If it's free, maybe they don't value it as much as it was created.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

100%, yeah. You need to be invested, and and I I I see that in my work too. Absolutely need to be invested when people really choose to step in with that value, and I think that that's also a really beautiful way, because like you say, when you charge, I actually think it's like when you value, yes, you value your work, then you get people who also value that work who are gonna meet you at what you're wanting to teach and they're wanting to learn, which means you're valuing your time and energy.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

Exactly. And and it's also because when you do it with passion, even if you start, I mean maybe you start doing it for free at first, and then you know what, I want to see, but people can tell when you're doing something with passion, and then eventually, like people tell, and they the more people, and that's how I I'm growing right now. Like people, like word of mouth is the best way, right? Yeah, the ideal the ideal thing is like making a living, doing something you love, right? But to do that, you need to value what you do, and it's trying and you need to be supported. Exactly. But it's actually a good it's a good game, right? It's like trying new things. I'm gonna try this, I'm gonna try that. It's like an experiment, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

And and I think we, you know, it to lean on someone else who has that purpose and passion in order to build the skills and the resources, because again, if you're not gathering the skills and resources, then you are wasting your money. Yeah, yes, to me, but then at the same time, you're valuing your work, which is taking care of so there's support is needed there, whether that's in the work, in the infrastructure of the work, or even just support and your well-being and your live lifestyle and and warmth within your home and clothes on your body and all that you need taken care of. Very exciting. Yes, so can you share with us before we go? How do people connect with you?

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Yeah, so the best way to connect, I I love talking directly with people. So my web page is bigcoinjourney.nz. I'm still working on it, but there you will have my email, which is francisco at bigcoinjourney.nz. There's also my cell phone. You can text me, you can use WhatsApp. So everything, everything I teach about Bitcoin, I can teach in a few hours. That's the good thing. It's like I love what you said about giving the tools. So I teach you something that it took me eight years, but I can sum up in four hours. And it's like, hey, there you go. Good luck, enjoy, have a good life. You have the tools, you have a new tool in your in your in your belt now. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

Uh yeah, cool. I'll put all of those in the show notes so that people can connect with you. And I think that I'm already feeling it as you were sharing, Mike. We need to get you back so that you can carry on talking about Bitcoin and about bits and pieces so people can connect with that.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

I'll be involved now, whenever you whenever you want. And as a matter of fact, now when you turn off the camera, I'm gonna send you some Bitcoin, a little bit, just a little bit, a few, a few dollars, and we can have this talk four years from now and see if he has grown or not.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

Yeah, I love that. That's awesome. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for dialing in. Thank you for sharing your passion and honoring both of our time and energy, which I love. And I'm just I'm really grateful for you. And and I and I I really received how you shared that and and what it means, and and I hope that others will too, whether they do or not. I mean, let's I we welcome feedback and and we love to connect with people. I I know that uh about Francisco too, so I can say that. But I just wanted to say thank you.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

Oh, thank you, Jays. It's been amazing. Thanks for the invitations, thanks for everything you've done at Wellfest. That festival was amazing. You give us a chance to to share these and the vibe of the place and everything. And you know how hard it's to organize something like that. So thank you. Thank you for your time and energy as well.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

And whatever you need, I'm here.

SPEAKER_02 39:20

Yeah, I'm excited. Ciao for now.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Thank you, bye bye.