You’re Allowed to Change: Finding Strength & Perspective Through Adversity | Cathy Tia S2E38

In Episode 38 of Igniting Inspired Inquiry, I speak with Cathy Tia about growth, resilience, perspective, and what it means to continue evolving through life's challenges.

This conversation explores a powerful truth: no one should be permanently defined by a version of themselves they've already outgrown.

Cathy shares her lived experience navigating adversity, health challenges, and personal transformation, and how these experiences have shaped her perspective on growth, self-awareness, and meeting life with curiosity rather than fear.

We are here to open the door to reflection, resonance, and revelation.

This is a space for truth, trust, and the kind of insight that comes from simply being human — raw, alive, and transformative.

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SPEAKER_02 0:02

Welcome to exciting inspired inquiry, a space for real conversations with incredible humans. I'm your host, Jeffy, and I'm here to open the door to reflection, resonance, and revelation. If you have a moment to like, share, subscribe, or review, I would deeply appreciate you sharing the love. This is a space for truth, trust, and the kind of insight that comes from simply being human. Thank you for being here. Let's begin. And here we have it. So today I get to meet and have a conversation with beautiful human who has been I've been connected by Amy, who was podcast number one actually. And she's been talking about you and saying how we needed to align and have this conversation. And it is now, which I'm really excited about, and to get to know you more. So today we have our guest is Kathy, and she's dialing in from Lois, North Island. And I'm she might share some more, but I am wanted to see to hear your wisdom and what's the work you're doing, and also just see where this inquiry takes us. So, Kathy, thank you so much for being here. And share with us to those who are listening. Who's Kathy?

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Well, good afternoon, Atamadi. And I am dialing in from Autucky, a small semi-rural town, about an hour away from Wellington Central. I've lived here for the past almost nine years. I can't believe it's nearly been a decade. Coming from and born and bred in Podidua, also in the Wellington region, born at the little hospital there, Kennepur Hospital, and 50 years ago next month. So I am just cannot believe how fast half a century has gone. It's almost been a fleeting blink in the moment of the big life picture. And within that 50 years, I seem to have managed to, I feel I've jam-packed it, but there's still so much more that I want to do and see. I am a middle child with an older brother and a younger sister who we're very I'm very close to. We're all exceptionally different, uh, which is a beautiful thing. I'm very blessed to still have living parents, both in their one in the 80s and one nearly in the 80s, who are still working and living life to the fullest. So that kind of gives you a contextual picture about why my nickname might be Liquid Lightning. Thank you for that. Sometimes Hurricane Cassie. So I am a person of integrity, I'm a person of loyalty, I'm a person of curiosity. And I wake up every day with a blank canvas and a and a real excitement about what opportunities await, no matter what the environment. I'm also a mum. I'm a very proud mum. I'm a proud mum to uh two beautiful, well, not really children anymore. One 20, nearly 21-year-old daughter, and a 17-year-old son, and a wonderful husband who has who is really a saint in my book. And we've been together for 26 years, married for 23.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

So they're my they are my whole world. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. Thank you for sharing. I can feel your values in the way you share them, which is just very special. And inspiring liquid lightning. Yes, yes. And that's that's this is such a beautiful thing to to actually connect a few dots as to what Amy shared about you and what I'm hearing and seeing, which is beautiful. So now we get to dive into the first question, which is a common thread, and you've heard this and and had some time to think about it. But for you today, what is one moment, belief, or experience that changed the way you see the world?

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Gosh, it's a big question, isn't it? It is, it is, you know, and didn't I I didn't want to think too hard because I think sometimes when we think too hard, sometimes the answer's right in front of us. Yeah, I completely agree. And I thought about this and I and I've got so many beliefs and so many moments, but really one stood out to me, and it was a moment. And it was a moment in time in my early 20s, actually, that kind of changed my perspective on myself, but also my surroundings and the world itself. And it came at a time when, you know, I was young and free, I had no responsibilities, no children at that time, life was good. I was working as a personal trainer, I'd built myself some client base, I was studying full-time as well at Teachers Training College, wanting to be a PE teacher, what I thought at that time. Uh I was fit, I was strong, the world was at my feet. And I had a few symptoms at that time that I thought, well, you know, I'm burning the candle at both ends. I'm I'm teaching pump aerobics, you know, and at 6 a.m. in the morning, and then I'm running into uh Wellington City and Karori and doing my tutorials for teachers' training college, and then I'd shoot straight back to the gym and teach another class or you know, be a floor walker or work reception or sell a membership, you know. But I was young and I was free, and I thought, well, this this is probably normal, feeling a bit tired and feeling a bit sort of drained. Anyway, these symptoms persisted, and I had a very good GP who had known me since I was a height of a grasshopper, and went along and we just did some some normal sort of testing and some routine bloods and things like that. And some of them came back away askew, and we sort of went down the curiosity route and investigated and explored that a little bit further, and having a real big interest myself in the human anatomy, the human spirit, uh, and the person as a whole, and also having quite a good health literacy, having been a bit of a science nerd, and still am, I really sort of took that a bit further and got a second opinion and got you know sort of further testing and went into sort of endocrinology and hormone specialists. Anyway, it turned out that I was diagnosed after five years, so ups and downs, with a rare disease, a rare condition that was, you know, not really known a lot about. And I thought, well, me being me went into this with curiosity and uh had no fear at all, but just wanting to know more. And this led to unfortunately years and years of being a little bit unwell. And you can imagine coming from a world of being physically fit to all of a sudden feeling somewhat trapped in your body physically, yeah. Which of course, when you're physically at a dis-ease or unwell, your mind starts to have this internal talk around some doubt, some negativity. And because it was driven by hormones, of course, that plays an impact on your emotional well-being. And so, you know, this led me to the perception of life itself being challenged, you know. What did this mean for my future dreams? What was this something that I could fix? Was I broken, or was I just being challenged in a space and triggered in a space that perhaps I wasn't at ease with? I had to mature quite quickly, and I thought my thoughts really almost came to a breaking point, emotionally, physically, and spiritually, being a woman of faith, everything was challenged in a moment. There were days of real complete darkness. But also, there was also this little lamp, and it was quite dim, but I knew that it would shine brighter. I just had to get to the next day. And so the job that was on my mind, and I sort of look at a job as the joy of being. So the joy of being for me was managing to get up in the morning and put one foot in front of the other. So I started this journey. I I I had to tell my teachers training college that I could uh no longer participate in the day-to-day of study, so I had to put that on hold after the first year. Uh I had to step back from my physicality of working at the gym, and I was on reception at the time. My body had gone from a very fit, having just competed in my first bodybuilding competition, uh, to a bloated faded kind of light, really, of a person that that everybody knew Cathy to be. I had to fake it till I made it most days to kind of get through because I didn't want to be bombarded with questions, because the questions obviously were triggering, and I didn't have answers to them at that point. Again, I was curious and I wanted answers. I'm very stubborn by nature, and there was no way that this was going to hold me back. I thought, ah, there was an aha moment, and the light got brighter, and I thought perhaps this is my purpose. Perhaps I've been given this challenge to be able to shine the light and to be the leader of other people coming through in the rare disease community. So I started to attend rare disease conferences that were held throughout New Zealand. I became a guest speaker at different events, I was in medical journals. I was going to exams of you know six-year doctors where they had to ask me questions and try to figure out what was wrong with me, to be able to advocate and become an educated person myself, but also educate the medical world to listen to patients more and um you know, to try to, yeah, as I say, kind of make a a stance really in this world of of rareness. And I began to realise that rare things are precious jewels. And actually it's when you dig deeper that you figure out more stuff. So it was at this time after completing my first surgery, and to give you a bit more context, the rare disease was actually formed in the protrudery gland, which is known as the the master gland of the human body, and it was in the form of a tumor, a rare brain tumor. And so the first surgery was brain surgery. I was going in with complete peace, with complete naivety. Now sort of almost early 20s, mid-20s at this point, thinking I've got nothing to lose. I did get a bit of a sharp shock, but that's okay. And it was in my recovery when I was at the library trying to uncover books and encyclopedias, trying to figure out some information about this condition and the pituitary gland itself, that I met my now husband, who at the time was studying counselling. So, you know, in the people kind of caring kind of world as well. Yeah. And we kind of fell into each other. And after a year, we became husband and wife. So six months into this meeting in a library, we became husband and wife. And it was shortly after we were married that unfortunately some of my symptoms returned, and we were faced with another challenge again. But this time it was different because the previous time I was all on my own. And so this time now I had someone that I really loved and cared about that was also not only being my biggest supporter, but it was also going through transition and a grieving, potential grieving with me as well. So it was at this point that I said, you can run now if you need to. But of course, he stuck with me. And so again, my perception on the world changed a little bit then because now there was someone else in my corner, but also in my world with the potential of their world potentially falling apart. He stuck with me, uh, and we both faced the second surgery together. So again, I went in, had another brain surgery, and it was a couple of months after that that they gave us the news that unfortunately this was going to be lifelong. It was an incurable thing. And in order to slow the growth, we would have to remove some other bodily organs, which again are, you know, is a potential for more uh autoimmune diseases. So both of my adrenal glands were removed, which are vital organs in the body. Anybody that's heard of adrenal fatigue or adrenal insufficiency, I completely understand because I have none. So I run on uh oral steroids and other hormones that effectively most people would make naturally. I take synthetic hormones. But I'm so incredibly grateful for science and for the accessibility of these hormones so that I can get up every day and actually share my story and my journey and continue to live life to the fullest. It was at that time when we got told this that we thought, well, we can conquer this, we can conquer anything together, you know. The power of two working for you, we're stronger together, right? So we uh yeah, we're both pretty stubborn people. He at this time had become a counsellor and was working three jobs to pay back student loans. Uh, it was at this time that I was not very well, and so I had to take a break from work. But together we were working and we managed to make things work. As I started to regain my strength, I had a separate garage at that current house that we were living at, and I would start my personal training journey again. I felt that I had a little bit more knowledge around um health and tips and tricks and resilience that I could perhaps help other people. And that started uh to give me a purpose again, which was fantastic. Once I got well again, we wanted to become parents. And at this time we'd been married for several years, and unfortunately, nothing was happening naturally. So we embarked on the IVF journey. Uh, and and after lots of heartbreak and lots of transport and travel and financial stress, we managed to have our beautiful daughter Grace. We named her that for a very good reason. Grace Ruby actually is her name, the Grace of Life, the Grace of Miracles, and Ruby being the precious jewel. And it was at that time when she was two years old, she had her hands on her hips, looked me straight in the eye and said, Mum, there's a baby boy in your tummy. I looked at her with inquiry and I said, Okay, darling, yeah, that's wonderful. And blow into medical science, I didn't ovulate. I didn't have any cycles at all because of the tumour in my pituitary gland, which is the master of hormones. I was completely covered with endometriosis and polycystic ovaries and always had trouble in that area. We were scheduled that week after she actually shared that with us to go into the fertility associates, where we still had some embryos awaiting from our first cycle with beautiful Grace. And we took Gracie as a two-year-old in that day. We sat and we had that meeting and we signed the paperwork to defrost these embryos to for this next exciting journey of this beautiful life that we might produce. And as I lay on the bed and the scanning went on, the doctor said, Wow, this is incredible. I think you might be three weeks pregnant. And he and he just looked at us and just said, I don't know how or why. Your blood's proved that you have not ovulated. There is no way medically that you could be pregnant. Wait for four more weeks. At seven weeks, there's generally a heartbeat. So go away, live your lives, go and have a scan at seven weeks. And if there's a heartbeat, then we will come back and discuss this. So we had no expectations. Again, curiosity. So at seven weeks, we very excitedly put everybody in the car, Grace, Peter, and myself, and we went down to the local scanning machine, and sure enough, there was a strong, strong heartbeat. And nine months later, a beautiful boy was born, Elijah. And so there is the story of belief, hope, light shining, and curiosity. And I think by us not being completely closed off and stressed and worrying and waiting, we were just open to the possibilities of miracles. And uh so, yeah, that's what happened. And so that both our children were born into a space of anything is possible.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

I love that, and that's exactly what I hear. I and I and what you just said in reflecting back to you, but the the curiosity is what keeps us open, right? And and it it it prevents this sort of closed, finite mindset. It's so inspiring to hear your perspective on things. I also believe that you and you actually um ask a question, but that finding the purpose and what was happening to you is actually what gave you power. Yeah. Yeah, and and and that meaning behind where life was taking you, even though it was out of your control. And there's so much that was out of your control.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

This is it. By relinquishing all control and by being vulnerable, it allows other things to come in in into the space. My husband is actually a Samoan, and this is Samoan word VAR, V A. And it means dipping your toe into the space. And sometimes that space of unknown can be extremely uncomfortable and frightening. But actually, if you don't dip your toe into that space or that var, you will never know what possibilities might come out of that realm. Um agreed. Agreed. That's so special. Yeah. The perspective though still had things to come which we didn't encounter well until really now, until the last couple of years. Obviously, having a rare condition never stopped me or never defined who I was as a person. You know, I'm a contributing citizen. Um, I've worked in NGOs most of my life and worked full-time up until now, and give everything I have. I just love connecting with people in general and learning about them because it's learning about them and talking to others that I learn more about myself and what areas I've still got to grow in. I I think often it's what the things that trigger us the most as humans are the things that actually we're not at peace with yet. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so I really love when I'm triggered because it then allows me to dig a bit deeper and go, oh, I didn't expect that to trigger me. Why am I triggered by that? And then it really makes me do some self-reflection around that. We wrote we most recently learnt with because I have regular bloods, obviously, and MRIs and things, just to maintain, you know, and learn what's going on with this with this pituitary tumour. And it it has grown over time. And I was told at the end of last year, November, December, that we might have to go in again for the third time, but most of the tumour is inaccessible and inoperable, and it's a watch and wait approach, but they would like to debulk and to get some histology and then stop the rest of the growth with radiation. I was a bit reluctant to go in a third time because there had been some complications last time. And if you remember the second time, the first time was just with me, the second time I had my love of my husband, this third time I have adult children. Children to consider. So big, right? Now there's four of us in this game of Russian relationship. But we had a family meeting and we all decided that actually, yeah, I think we need to go in and we would do this together. So three weeks ago, uh almost to the day, okay, we uh embarked on yet another journey. I felt really good about it because the last surgery was tw nearly 20 years ago. And technology and systems and skills of surgeons and knowledge uh has got better. So as I'm sitting here today looking at you, I've got my lippy back on, I've got my earrings in. I'm three weeks post-op brain surgery doing really well. And that's incredible. Yeah, we managed to debulk. We're still awaiting histology. That doesn't really bother me. It will be what it will be. It's out of my control. And we face radiation come during July. That's fantastic. Aren't I blessed that I actually get to have some medical treatments? You know, that we get to live in a country with medical treatment.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

It's so rare for people to see it that way. And that's the perspective, right? I agree.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

Yeah, and you know, and I have not received a brain surgery, but I've been support of multiple brain surgeries, and that is no mean feat. Yeah. One in itself is just such a huge thing to endure, not to mention the fear of going in. Because that's present, whether you're whether you're curious or positive or whatever, or and supported, it's still like it's brain surgery.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

Yeah, and it's funny, isn't it? Because I have not fed once for myself. The only thing that scares me is my family, my children, my extended family, my beautiful friends. And you learn a lot about people around you and their coping mechanisms as well. Yeah, absolutely. How they cope. And it's been a great lesson for me. Um, it's incredible. I've been a pl in a place of such complete peace and completely enveloped in love, care, and compassion at this time. You know, I've learned Yeah. You know, I I had been uh just Yeah, in awe of even when you're in the deepest valleys, it's in the darkest moments that that the seeds are doing the work. They're doing the work in the ground, they're rooting themselves. I agree. And it's when you get when you get to that mountaintop and you yell, you cry, you scream, you release whatever it is that people do, and for me it's just like a sense of calm. You can see down in the valley the blooms that have been just waiting in the darkness that have actually come now to light.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

So yeah, it's it's an incredible thing. And I mean there are yeah, there there are days that we're on me. I'm human, right?

SPEAKER_02 25:09

Yeah, and and absolutely. It actually would be mildly concerning if it didn't. Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Yeah. I mean, I know there's a ticking, there's a ticking time clock in my head, but none of us get out of this alive. Right.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Agreed, agreed. And it's the perspective that that it's the fear of death that really I think, and I was just talking about that with someone the other day, is it stops people from living.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Yeah. And this is it, right? Yeah. This is I get up every day and I have a little ritual in the morning. I get up and I go straight outside. Doesn't matter if it's raining, hailing, snowing, sunny, whatever it is, bare feet, straight on the grass. And I just get to breathe and just you know, sunlight in the eyes, feet on the grass, and just go grounding to the earth. What is in store for me today? It's such an exciting thing, you know, and it's not the last day of your life, it's the first day of your life.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Yes. You know, yes. We're writing, it's incredible. So special.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

Thank you so much for sharing that. Like I I can feel it, and I know that most that will be listening are just, you know, there's such potential in the choice, but also the view in which we see the world, and we choose we can choose that on the daily, which is what you're doing. Yes, and it's it's it's so special. And the things that you've been through, you've allowed them to strengthen you and to let you grow and to become your purpose and your power rather than what could be the opposite, you know.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

And it's absolutely it's it's always about reframing. It's you know, it's reframing and also building emotional boundaries, you know, because because what you focus on grows. And I think though, we have to remember that not everyone's in the space that I'm in. So I have to meet people where they're at. And people and us, we create our own reality. And so, you know, they say, Oh, I'm scared about this up-and-coming thing. Well, it hasn't actually happened yet, so that's a bit of an illusion.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

Agreed, and and everyone has the capability to sit in the seat that you're sharing, yes, and to see life, and and the key there, the beginning key is the curiosity. It's like what is what is possible, and also what is this teaching me rather than what's happening to me.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Absolutely. I mean, so special. I think life creates and it's created for us. There's actually a seabed of opportunity, you know. We think of the underneath and the seabed of the ocean, and it's stuff that we don't see, and that's just like life. There's so many unseen goodies out there waiting for us to start and agree. Yeah, it's not until you put the goggles on and your head down underwater and you go, Oh, look at the colour, look at the coral, look at this, look at this. And that's just like life.

SPEAKER_02 28:10

Agreed. Yeah, it's so special, so special. Thank you. So here we are in question two, which is in the moment. And the question I have for you, especially with the life that you have experienced and I would say embraced, some would say endured, but from your perspective, you have embraced it in every which way. So, my question for you is quite simple. What brings you joy?

SPEAKER_00 28:41

Thank you so much for that question. And you know, again, it's a big question, just like the first. Um, again, I don't want to overthink these things. I think what brings me joy is just being able to wake up. Waking up is such a joyous event that most of us take for granted. When we go to sleep at night, we actually don't know if we're gonna wake up. We assume we are. But the our our life is we're so vulnerable, you know, as humans. So my joy is waking up and waiting and excitement to see what lies ahead for that day. Now not everything in our days are gonna be exciting. But actually that brings me joy too. Because as I've shared before, if we're not faced with challenges, how the heck do we build resilience? And for those people that are unsure what resilience might mean, it's really about bouncing back from adsity. And and that takes some knocks in life to be able to even gain resilience. You know, if everything's going swimmingly well, we're never gonna build resilience. So uh what brings me joy is actually learning to let go of things we can't control. Uh it's reflecting and being able to recalibrate and then it's gratefully uh going again. Yeah, beautiful. Joy means going again. We get the opportunity to give it a go.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

Yeah. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 30:20

And it's it's yeah, it's the that's the recipe, right? That's the medicine. I love what you said about you getting to wake up as a joy. Like this, this, and I think the more we experience in any which way, and a lot of people who are listening will relate, the more we experience in challenge and in trauma or other things, the more I hope we really see life as a gift, and we embrace it. And that was definitely an experience for me is is losing someone very near taught me to live, and not everyone will see it that way. But to me, it's like, well, what choice do I have but to live this life the best I possibly can because I'm alive?

SPEAKER_00 31:09

That's it, right? And it's in those moments of vulnerability and the moments of transition and grieving. What are we learning? What is it that was learnt from the loved one that may have may have moved on from this world? What is it that they've taught us and that we can then share that goodness to the rest, right?

SPEAKER_02 31:27

And that's that difference in in what you know, seeing life as what this is happening to me, yeah, or this is happening for me, and and what can I take from it? What can I build? What's coming through for me? What am I learning? What is being awoken within me? Like you were talking about resilience, like that we become who we are through adversity.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

Oh, we've got to grasp it, we've got to run towards it, not run away from it. We've got to just let it osmosis, you know, let it just envelop us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

So true. Yeah. So true. Yeah. I love that. There's joy, there's a lot of joy in that.

SPEAKER_00 32:05

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for asking the question.

SPEAKER_02 32:08

Oh, anytime. I've got many more, but we're we're only but where we get to move into now is that you have a question for me.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

Yeah, I had a couple actually. Okay. I'm going to actually no, I'm just going to ask you the one. Okay. I want to ask you what is the best compliment that you have received most recently?

SPEAKER_02 32:37

The best compliment that I've received most recently.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

Part of the reason I asked this is it's quite a tough question to uh often give ourselves praise.

SPEAKER_02 32:48

Yeah. Actually, I I yes, I see that a lot in my clients, and I remember a time when that was a challenge. Now the challenge is just like deciding which one to share. Yeah, no, I honestly am an advocate for like we get to be our best teammate. And I mean, even in everything that you've shared, but also the way that I live my life is like we get to celebrate. Gratitude is one of the greatest gifts of life, of living. And if we can't celebrate ourselves, who can?

SPEAKER_00 33:24

100%.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

But I think that the greatest compliment that I have received lately, and I receive it in different ways, is actually just in and around how I make others feel. And actually, no, that language is not correct, but the safety in which I provide so that people can feel the way they feel. And just kind of by being me, because it's not trying what that invokes in others.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

Perfect. Yeah. Perfectly, perfectly said, and what a gift you are to the world. A treasure trove, a seabed for people to dip their toe into that var, into that space, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

Yeah. And even when it's not said, it's not lost on me, like the space I hold, and therefore what people feel safe to release or what feels safe to share, and then get a bit of a shock because they're like, oh my god, I can't believe I shared all of that. And and as they're they're sharing, it's just like it's that's such a blessing to be that person and to be that safe space so that people can release because release is key, right? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

If we hold on to stuff, we become, yeah, heavy. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Heavy in the world around us, too.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

Heavy in the world around us, limited in the view of what's happening to or for, and also just resistant to everything.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:05

We we do, we get resistant because we don't want to repeat that. We don't want to feel that again. And so we, you know, we avoid and we distract and we disconnect and we do whatever it it takes to not feel instead of looking at the trigger and looking deeper as to why and how can I grow here.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

Yeah, exactly. Oh, we could talk for hours, couldn't we? I know. I think I think we'll be back again. I think we'll be having another couple together for sure.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

Yes, I love that. That's so special. For now, I just want to thank you so much for sharing everything that you have and and really letting us, you know, into your world and into what you have embraced and how you've embraced it. And the journey of you've been on is no easy feat. However, the way you've met that with curiosity and patience and growth and purpose is just it's so inspiring.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

I could say the same thing about you. And I look forward to many more conversations about sharing this beautiful wisdom that you have and that you're portraying to the world. And thank you for this platform.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

Yeah, thank you. That's where I want to end is that how can people connect with Tim connect with you? How can people, I don't know if you've got much going on at the moment in your, you know, in your space of healing, but I I've heard through Amy that there's podcasts that you maybe dabble in as well. So do you want to spend a few minutes just sharing, you know, if people how people can find you?

SPEAKER_00 36:41

Absolutely. So people can get hold of me on my coaching page, actually, on Facebook. That's the only platform that I'm on currently. I've just sort of started to dabble into that. They can private message me on there. Uh that's coaching made simple with Kathy Tia. Yeah, you're not. I think I've I've sent you the link that you can, you know, pop up on here as well. So yeah, flick me a a message and uh we'll start some some conversations. Oh, so good. That's where it starts. That's where it starts.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

Yeah, yeah, it is. Thank you so much for being here today. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And I I'm already excited for part two.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

Wonderful. Have a wonderful rest of your afternoon.

SPEAKER_02 37:28

I will, and thank you so much. Thank you to all those you of you who are listening. I already know I can speak for Kathy, but we're here to to hold space for you in terms of like what may have opened up for you. And and I say that because of in in the areas that we work and and the way we view life is like everything that is here for you is is a gift and it's something somewhere that you can grow. And so we'd love to hear what sparks your heart through the combo that we've had today. Thank you so much, Kathy. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

Talk to you soon. Yes.