They Wish You Were Born In Minnesota Episode 17: Easter!! Part 1

Welcome back to another double series on Easter! We dive into multiple topics related to Easter, Jesus walking in on Palm Sunday, His sacrifice to humanity, how he arose 3 days later and everything in between. Part 1 describes the current state of Christians and Jews interpretation of the gospel and part 2 will be the actually Good Friday, Passover Saturday, Resurrection Sunday. Enjoy!

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:21

That's that boy.

SPEAKER_02 0:22

Alright. Well, guys, it's another Easter. What's up, guys? Happy Easter. Happy Easter. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Yes, and this one. What was la last year was it was like towards the end of April, right? I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

That sounds about right. Yeah, it was like much to Yeah. I think how do how do they go about planning it out, you know?

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Essentially, I think they it depends on the like the moon cycles, I believe. That's how it has to do with the astrology. Yeah, it's just because like they know like a lot of new sciences came out and they're they're able to like specify a year that it happened, which is now eight, like it's well, it's always been either AD thirty or AD thirty-three. They have more science backing now than it's AD thirty-three. But they're still confused on was it actually April 5th? Was it April 3rd?

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Was it Well the procession that equinox and all that probably is into play? But I I I've always I've always had a problem with the Gregorian calendar. Yeah. Because there's 360 degrees in a circle. Wasn't isn't that how was before Yeah, you still like the original calendar?

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Like Well because there's a there's a he there's a Hebrew calendar, which I believe is thirteen months, I believe. Oh, okay, and sleep year and shit. It's like yeah, it's like what like Moses would have had, I believe it was like thirteen months.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

It was I just think there should be three hundred and sixty days in a year, not three sixty drive. Yeah. That's what I'm suggesting, which is huge. It would be yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Around yeah, it'd be a better rounded off number. They because techni technically it's not even three hundred and sixty-five, it's like point four or something like that. There's like an extra few hours that we have. It would so it's something like that. Yeah. I just think they're over overcomplicating it. Yeah, I I don't even know. I know it had to do with the Catholic Church. I do know that, but I don't know what was all like involved within it or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 3:01

Right. Right. And and did you guys ever think about the fact that Easter is the East Star? Like what rises in the East? The sun.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

Yes, there's a few different things I think we will end up getting into. Nice. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

Um I know you know me, I always fucking swerve us off track.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Well, I mean, it kind of it kind of comes together because I know uh Chris was saying about there's like a a pagan goddess in here, and then you mentioned the East Star, you know, the Sun, Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

That's like, and that's like how that you pronounce like the food futility god or whatever. That's like technically the because there's like a whole bunch of pagan roots and stuff too, and it's like the Easter bunny and the egg. Right, right. And then there's like a well, I mean, there's like a whole thing, like, dude, I feel it like sometimes, alright, I might I might use it like I might kind of button you want to Oh, you got it. Uh dude, you wanna hear getting off track, you guys, like, because I have like this whole weird conspiracy about a lot of it. I'm down.

SPEAKER_02 4:30

Yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 4:31

Yeah, okay. See, I've been reading like a whole lot of different weird shit, like ancient history and stuff like that, and I've kind of like put together these like certain dots that like there's this a weird, like, one world religious government kind of deal that's like working. I know it's your talk of in the background, you know what I mean? And it's kind of a hook that brings all the April back, like Yeah. And and I think some of the confusion is because they're actively have been trying to hide the resurrection of Jesus Christ for like two thousand years. Yeah. I think I think some of it like will stretch out to even what we see happening in the news and shit and the people talking on the internet, almost like there's like a a group of weird Catholics in our government that like want to force Jesus' hand and coming again even so they could get raptured because you know they feel like they're still better than everybody else.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

So they're trying and that's but that's just that's just me being weird. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 5:56

Like I don't know like I've heard that theory too, that a lot of people think that they're trying to force force the hand of scriptural things that are in the Bible to like force him to come back or something. Like something weird like that. Is that is that what you're saying, Chris? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Well, because sometimes I would argue that like how Easter is celebrated and stuff like that, sometimes it feels like just a lot worse than Christmas, say. You know what I mean? Like, because you notice that's the holiday that they always criticize, too. And sometimes I think that's like done by design, almost like a Fugazi. Like, hey, look over here. You gotta be worried about the fucking Christmas tree, not this weird shit. Right. I hear you.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

I hear you.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

And the idea of the city. Yeah, well, what do you think, Dylan? Do you think I'm kinda just crazy?

SPEAKER_01 6:55

No, dude, because I was gonna take it back off of you.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

Okay, listen. Alright. So I've so it's it's still on topic, but it's a l it's a little bit off. But so I've been diving into this whole thing on why we are taught to and this has nothing to do with like I'm not I'm I'm trying to be as nice as possible when I say this, but there is there is a hand that these governments are are hand are dealing us with when it comes to Christianity, and it's about accepting something that shouldn't be normalized. We talk about it all the time at work, I under and on this podcast, I understand that, but they're doing something so and they're trying to use Jesus into it. Well, you know, like well, Jesus wants the believer and non-believer to coexist together. Okay, but that does not mean we get to normalize what the non-believers think is moral, as in the whole case of the trans, the abortions, the that atheist agenda they have to push through schools, all of that. All of that. That doesn't mean we have to sit here and like you know, take it. So for like past several weeks, I've been just seeing more and more, you know, people, like pastors and stuff coming out against it. And and I think I think that kind of ties into the whole like one world religion thing. It's like they can they're gonna piggyback off of Jesus and what he did, but they don't want us to get to the root of it. They don't want us to celebrate him, they just want to celebrate, you know, the Fogazi in front, essentially.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

Yeah. I agree with that. You know, yeah, I think I think yeah, yeah, there's a hidden hand behind the scenes trying to bring all of it together, but for their agenda, not not for Jesus. Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

Right. They might they might say the name Jesus, but just because you say Jesus doesn't mean it is. You know, there's a big difference, you know.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

You know. And we know.

SPEAKER_02 9:21

We know. I think, yeah, there's hidden hands that just want to uh keep pulling the strings and they're starting to figure out that the easiest way to do it is gonna be to try to create one religion. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I yeah, I see it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Yeah. It's yeah, I 'cause it it's kinda easy to identify. Like now, I guess, you know, the the more we've dove into different topics for the past several months and all of that, you know. I think I'm able to, you know, we're able to kind of sit back and be like, man, yeah, that's some shady shit, go right.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

Yeah, y you know when you're being hypnotized. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And as you get older you you you realize that more and more. I will I will I will say that for sure.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Oh yeah. It I yeah, I've learned I've learned a lot, especially from the new church I go to. Shout out Pastor Chris, but yeah, man, he he's he's taught me he's taught me a lot about all this, and I'm just happy to to keep learning it. And because this all thing this whole thing ties with with Easter. We can we can talk about from when he rode in on the donkey on Palm Sunday to his you know crucifixion, to his resurrection, all the way down to Pentecost, which was the forty days where he appeared on earth to over five hundred people. You know, so we can get in all of that. You know, it's like the it's not just the Sunday, you know, it there's a whole stretch of time, you know, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

It's also the spring equinox. Spring equinox, yeah. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

So, yeah, yeah, it's amazing. I think a lot, yeah, I've I'm starting to notice a trend when it can when it comes to the prophecies, the pr uh, you know, the yeah, the prophecies that Jesus fulfilled when it comes to not only the old testament, but when it comes to like let's just talk about like the pagan Greek stuff. I'm not saying he fulfilled those prophecies, but I'm saying is he's he has essentially destroyed their their pagan ways, essentially, if that makes sense. So if let's just say Easter.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

A lot of that a lot of that juju doesn't work anymore. Right, exactly. Yeah, because like the idea of karma is like completely like broken in a way because it you like because basically when it came to like heaven and hell and the degrees of essentially like an eye for an eye, basically, like that's not allowed. That's not part of the the deal anymore, essentially. Right.

SPEAKER_02 12:37

I mean, so to a degree, that's like how I not part of the new Not part of the New Testament. Part of the Old Testament.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Yeah. Well, because like when when you when Dylan talks when you say like pagan ways like that, I immediately think like all the like gypsy court curses from like Stephen King books and stuff like that. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you remember you like have you ever read any of those weird books that Stephen King does about like cults and stuff and like people going through weird shit? Like I the one I remember like clearly in the top of my head is thinner. A dude forecloses on this like weird gypsy woman's house and she curses him and he eats this like cursed pie and he withers away to nothing alive.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

Like he slowly it makes me think of druids. You know what I mean? The ancient druids. Yeah. A lot of the paganism was based on a lot of that too. Well, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

Well, a lot of that is like because that's like pagans almost a word that like roots all that together, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 13:51

It's like the same yeah, pretty much the same thing, yeah. Yeah. At least the way I understand it. I mean, somebody out there can prove me wrong, I'm sure, but whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

Yeah, I think go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

I was just gonna say, I think I found out that the root meaning of pagan, I think, is spiritually dishonest. Yeah, we were talking about that at work. Whoa.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, so like that's the root will the meaning of the word pagan is spiritually dishonest.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

Nice. You mean words mapping, dude? I love it. You know, I have all people love that shit. I mean, uh, because yeah, when you go back to a lot of the a lot of the shit is right in your face. And uh a word is right in your face. So if you can figure out, you know, what is the root of this word, where did it come from, you know, what does it mean? It can tell you a lot of stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Oh yeah, that's why English is so plain Jane, you know. But um Yeah. I don't know where we dive after this.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

Well, I mean, we can always talk about to close that conversation off, and then we can probably get into like, you know, Jesus dying and and resurrection and stuff like that, but I was just gonna say, I think what what Jesus did, and it's not so much mentioned in the New Testament, because if you all s if you look, I'm pretty sure it's in Luke. There Jesus did so many things that it can it couldn't all be written down. So I believe that this is just this is just me, and you can kind of go through the history and see how it all like how it all ended up working out. I think what Jesus did was so in the Old Testament, like, God straight up killed and made the other gods, quote unquote, you know, lower G gods, they he either killed them or he scared them off to the point that they will, you know, they won't show their face again, essentially. I think Jesus did the same thing, but it's in more of a like like all of that mythic stuff that was happening while Jesus was alive. It's just funny how within the few within a few hundred years all of that just like vanished. Like all of that stuff you think he cast them away. Yes, I think I think what he did, he broke he broke something in the world because and that's how you know he is God, because he broke something in this world, because at that time that stuff wasn't mythology. Like they weren't uh they weren't calling it mythology like we are today, right? Right. He was on the earth. So for him to do what he did, and I understand, you know, there was a the the the breakout in Christianity was so massive and it spread across all the continents. I I do understand that, but I think that also happened because of he broke that you know that paganism way. And I thought there's he broke this hell. Exactly. And I yeah, and I know it's it's not as mentioned, you know, in the New Testament per se, but it does say he overcame death and he overcame evil. Well, what is evil? Well, the all the that pagan stuff that's evil, you know. So I think it all like come to came together, and I think that shows even more proof that he is the same God as the Old Testament. He's just it's the same one. So yeah, that's all I wanted to say to close that portion out.

SPEAKER_02 18:01

Oh, I I I always say if you 100% believe in Jesus and God, and I a hundred percent believe in Jesus and God, and He a hundred percent exists. Well I'm I I know that sounds so cliche or or so small, but but it's monumental if you really think about it.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

Well, like I said, uh I mean for the for the sake of the episode, yeah, you know, I'd have to humbly disagree. Doesn't matter whether anybody out there doesn't believe in him or or whatever, if all three of us at this moment believe in him, that that's all that's all doesn't matter. Scientifically, historically, he was here on this planet. Oh yeah. Did the things that he did that were recorded in the two. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

See, I'm not I'm not saying you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 18:58

And uh uh up to the cross and to him w you you know, waking up, you know.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

It's more or less saying was no matter what, like he exists today.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

I think I think Chris, what you're getting at is because I think I'm I'm thinking I'm partially understanding what you're getting at was if correct me if I'm wrong, are you basically stating that if one so if one person believes something, right, and the other person says, oh snap, I believe that too. It's more of the concept is really.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

It's the concept.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

It doesn't it doesn't matter because we both know we we all three know that let's just take Muhammad for example. We all three know that Muhammad was a real person. Or we all and we we can all agree on that. What we can also agree on is that he wasn't a prophet. Alright, but some people think that he was a prophet. I think that's what you're getting at. The c the it's the con it's the context of what you're saying. Yeah, the concept. The concept, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what Yeah, because you you mentioned that last week, and for this like for days I've been thinking, I'm like, what does that mean? What does that mean? And then I'm getting it. It's the concept, you know. It's like it's like the story about a few weeks ago when I told that uh me and my dad had the same dream at the same time and you know, the same day. You know. Right. You know, it like the concept is real. We both me and him both have real.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

No matter what's real. Right. I don't I don't I don't need somebody to show me like the skeleton or whatever, no matter what, the concept of Jesus Christ is real. Right. Yeah, I know, yeah, I agree with it.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

Yeah, thank you. But it did take me a few days to kind of piece together what you're trying to say, because it is an in it's an interesting statement.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

It's it's a tough one, yeah, yeah. But but yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

But the alright, well, Chris kind of, you know, we're talking about the what I'm getting at though is like because sometimes I'm really like I feel like there's a weird government thing going on that essentially is trying to cover up the the spiritual and scientific impact that Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection brought about our daily lives. If you're like thinking really deep into it, you guys. Like I said, like people talk about like Muslims and Muhammad and stuff, right? And sometimes I think that it's all just a Fugazi set up from the start. You know what I mean? Like some sort of off-shot shot rant uh ranch back of a of a thing with like a warlord and stuff. I mean they could sharp build up some sort of like different political power or whatever. And that's like because that's what women Jews are like fighting over sometimes, essentially, it feels like. Oh, 100%. Dull him down to like this feel-good religious feedback, you know what I mean? But like sometimes I feel like there's like a cosmic thing to it that they're like hiding from people.

unknown 23:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

You know what I mean? Divine. Because sometimes I feel like some of the Christians in Africa and stuff, they're the ones that like or that really know what's up, basically. Right.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Right. Yeah, I think Yeah, I because I I can take you back off of that. I think I think that's how you know that, you know, Jesus is the way. When you want to when you literally want to you wanna they want to disprove something that is already proven and they keep doing it, that's how you know s I believe something is true. Is that even though there is proof we mentioned before, there's testimonies, there's witnesses, there was you know, the the Romans wrote about it, the Jews wrote about it. Oh, you make you make me think about this country and the creation of our country.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

And you know, same shit, like people try to disprove, like the whole idea of America, like imagine if you just subtracted America as a country. Why? It's not here, doesn't exist, it's gone. Now imagine the world. Yeah, I think that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

Well that's that's what I mean by like this war too, and like like flocking Jesus up to like this feel-good spiritual thing because like I said, dude, like I think there's like even our government is like in a weird way corrupted essentially by like this weird ass thinking. Sometimes that's why I think they're using help in Israel like they do like now, how people are like, hold up, what the what the hell's going on? You know what I mean? And sometimes I think because there's like this crazy weird Catholic thing going on in our government that is like, well, if we help them do said thing, then maybe Jesus will come back and take all the decent people away.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

Well I mean we do have to understand being Christian is not necessarily being Roman Catholic. We do have to understand.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Oh, but see, that's my thing, is I think that right there is wrong, dude. Like that's straight up as bad as Babel's Tower. Because if you think you can like just imagine know exactly what Scripture is telling you, especially when it when it's talking about the end times, and you can force God or Jesus' hands, I dude, you're dead wrong. I really think you'd be making a mistake, bruh.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

Yeah. See, that's not exactly what I was saying, though.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Well, that's that's just what I think it is, like in our country and in our like leadership.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

You know, like I'm agreeing with you. Yeah. I see it. I see it as well. Sounds like you don't think I'm agreeing with you, but I am.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Oh yeah. You know, I keep that stuff in like real hardcore too, because like, you know, I think sometimes I think I sound crazy.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

I don't think it I don't think it's that you're sounding crazy. I think it's what they're doing is crazy, and then you're just speaking about it.

SPEAKER_02 26:37

Right. And then why why why in the world are we in the position that we're in? Like, there is so many resources on this earth, there's so much land. We are not overpopulated. That fucking overpopulation shit is bullshit. There is no fucking green wave, like, all the all that shit is just fucking bullshit.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

I think it all comes from like a deep, deep state government run organization thing. I agree. It's like I said, I think they essentially have proof, like geological like evidence and stuff like that that correlates to the Bible and and ancient scripture that they actively hide because they don't want to know they don't want people to keep us away from it. The the weight of the entire Because then Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

Because y'all want to then go ahead. I was just gonna say because then their plan wouldn't work. Your plan wouldn't work. It'd blow up in their face.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

Like it's not going to work. And like I said, Dick, you know, uh if I know anything about God, uh I I I would assume that if you think you can force his hand, you've got another thing coming.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

Yeah. And y y'all want to know something crazy? It's not even crazy, it's just really divine. It's a university recently came out and they went over the Bible, you know, from Genesis to Revelation, and they figured out, first off, that there is sixty-three thousand cross references from the Old Testament to the New Testament. Okay. Sixty-three thousand, okay? You cannot find any other book, any other religious book, any other, you know, fiction book that has that type of cross-reference in one book. Okay? And then see so that's sixty-three thousand. And then they did even more studying on the Bible, and they said that so it's off of it's fifteen hundred years, it's forty different authors on three different continents, okay. The they were able to figure out that, and I forgot what university it was, I'd have to look it up. But it it doesn't matter. They f they figured out that that one human alone, let's just say one human alone, couldn't have written it, okay? More or less, they don't even think that it was a human that even wrote the Bible. They think that yes, they believe that because of the amount of cross-references happened in all over fifteen hundred years in so many different locations. And they all they all ended up coming together into one solid book. They believe that God wrote it himself. But then, if you think it's in 2 Timothy, it's written, All scripture is God breathed. Therefore, technically, it is all God. It's because he used the human hand. He just used the human hand. I'm I'm getting chills. So that was something that I learned recently that came out of a university and that they were so and I thought while sharing it. Yeah. Isn't that some divine, you know, supernatural stuff? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

I like how I was saying before that how, you know, when Jesus was alive and doing his sermons, I often think how how how his mind, his consciousness was working. I I thoroughly believe like while everyone was like listening to and changing their own lives and and thinking, you know, out outside of the box that he was essentially blowing open that he was laying flat, you know. Right. It was like mentally while everyone else was playing four D chess, he was playing eight D.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

So there are times I wonder if like while he was walking with the apostles and stuff like that and traveling, I often wonder if at the same time he was dealing with Abraham, Moses, and Paul. Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Wow. You know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

See? That's that like that that's su that's such a it's a it's a it's a strong claim that I have I've seen before, like, on the internet of just like was he you know, was he talking with Moses at the same time as Elijah? At the very same time he was walking on earth, like all the same time? I mean, like for for this for this to happen, okay, for this to happen, he had he has to be God. Right.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

So he can essentially like consciously he was God.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

Exactly. And if he was like I said, it wouldn't have happened.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

Wow. But there but I'm saying that there is scripture that backs that up, too. Right.

SPEAKER_02 32:35

Oh, I agree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

That's a good point. You know what I mean? And like some people would argue, well, he said he was the son of God, and I think, you know, I always often think that that was because and I mean Cliff Canickle, he's talked about it too, is is you know, essentially it when he was in the flesh and was born from a human mother, he essentially, of course, he would humble himself down to God because actively, while he knows everything that's going on up there, he's still doing his thing as Jesus Christ down here.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

Right. Right. So you're just emphasizing that Jesus was God living on earth.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

Yeah, exactly. That's that's that's what I'm humbling that belief. And I, you know I like that. And I think sometimes, dude, like I said, reading real deep into it, sometimes it gets real quick creepy. Because sometimes I wonder if like governments have been actively trying to hide this for thousands of years.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

Yeah. That's interesting. Let me think about that. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 33:50

Well while while you think I've I also got something that I learned from Cliff, and it it kind of makes it makes sense when it comes to you know the whole you know Jesus praying to the Father and making it a you know three three distinct persons into one, is that Cliff Cliff's thing is basically it when you have God the Father, God the Father is the omnipresent spirit that that has that time, that that has made everything, that has, you know, controls everything, da-da-da. Okay? But then the human version, right, of God will be Jesus Christ. And then the third person is being the you know, the Holy Spirit is that earthly that earthly flow of God, essentially. I yeah, I thought I said trinity. Well, that's exactly what it is, and and and there's a guy on a guy on YouTube, his name is God Lodge. And he I was watching some of his stuff, and he he just he said look, Trinity is nowhere to be found in the New Testament, okay? But what if there is if Jesus says and Paul says and you know the apostles say baptize them in the name of God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit, what does that make them? That makes them all equal. They're they're literally they're separating them as three persons, but they're giving them an identity of God. Therefore, it would be the Holy Blessed Trinity without saying that it's the Trinity.

SPEAKER_02 35:49

Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

Well, I I and I mean I don't I kinda don't think too deep into the Holy Trinity to a degree because it's it's hard to like I know Jesus humbled himself as like just just a man, but I still think it's all within the same entity. But that is the easiest way to understand though. Yeah. Because he wa like uh like I said, to to a human being, Jesus was who he was, especially if you were just there talking to him. You know what I mean? Like if you stabbed him, he would bleed. Right. And uh and like I said, essentially I think that's what what he meant by he was the son of the father. There's no there's no other way to get to the father but through me. And I think saying what he meant by that was essentially like I've already humbled myself to you guys' level, like if you can't at least like empathize with this, right, then I don't I don't know e what else.

SPEAKER_01 37:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you can't Right, because we he's he made it very clear, you know, God made it very clear that he can't show himself to us because of how powerful he is. Like the powerful his his own being, his own spirit now, isn't necessarily like I don't I don't think God the Father as an you know like I mean if you think of like what you know the angels look like and stuff like that, like I think I think he's more if he does have a like a humanoid figure to him, like I think it's definitely different than us. I know it says, you know, in the image like us, but I think it's I think it it's a different, I think it's a very powerful spirit, essentially. And therefore, no, even though God came down with Jesus, he God was still in the He was still in heaven. He was still over top. He was still over top.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

And you know, that's why his son came down, not him.

SPEAKER_01 38:20

Right, because if if God were if like Chris said, if this whole Jesus thing ne didn't even really work out, let's just say, what what would have what would God have to do? He would if if he would have really showed his face to all of us, you know, God the Father literally showing his face, we would all burn up. Like, that's how powerful an omni and he is. And it's happened before in the old.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh I I I like everything you guys are saying. Yeah. Um Yeah. It's um uh it's a crazy thing to think about, like he was the son, but yet he was the son of the father, and the father was still looking down.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Right, exact. Yeah, exactly. It's what you're saying, right? Right, and then you got and then you have because there's there's different there's different forms of Christianity that believe, well, w is it three different beings, meaning will it be like a you know, a poly a poly religion, or is it where God let's say God gave half of his like or some people believe God took his own spirit and put it in three, and therefore he has a part, Jesus has a part, and then the Holy Spirit has a part. I don't think it's any of that. I think it's all one big spirit. And since it's got since it's God, why how should we question on well first off, how should we question that? Like how should we question on it'd be nice to know, obviously. It would night it would be nice to know about everything, right? Can we all agree? But we don't but but there's certain things that if God told us, our human brains just we'd be like, what? Like we would short circuit. You know. I think when it comes to those type of theological discussions, you know, the like the Billy Graham's of the world, you know, the John MacArthur's of the world, you know, CK Lewis, all them, like you know, people like them can probably make it more understandable than just, you know, me, but but yeah. That's my thinking behind the whole thing. And it's it's kind of you know, peggy backing off of what Chris is saying. And this all this all ties in with the divine mission of what this week is about, you know, which is Easter. Easter.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

Right. You know. And like I said, I do believe there is like something divine about it. Definitely. Right. I'm I mean like I'm not sure if it if it necessarily even has anything to do with Easter. And that's you know, like I said, because sometimes, man, it's just it it it feels weird, you know what I mean? Especially because, like, you know, that that would mean that there's like a dark thing to Judaism that like basically just extremely you know, built on jealousy of what Christ was. Right. Like, no, that's not fair. He's not allowed to tell us off and just, you know, forgive everybody's sins from here on in. That's not you know what I mean? Like Right, yeah, I know what you're saying. And That's what I mean, like the whole war with with Trump and and talking about religion and stuff like that. I think the war has a lot to do with it.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

Yeah. Yeah, I f and because now their slogan is this is for the Greater Israel. This is that's what their slogan is.

SPEAKER_02 42:47

Like each each I you know, each it's room great again. Right. Like each troop.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

Yeah, each troop has a or IDF soldier has a uh Greater Israel like lettering on it. And it's like, alright, come on now. Right. Like what are we talking about? Yeah, like this is where like this is where the Jews this is where I have a hard time with the Jews is because like they and you know, God bless them all, they're at the they're at the point where literally Nanyahu, the you know, the the the o let's just say the owner of Israel, right? Uh nights is is is basically has has stated that because of this war, this is what the Messiah this is how the Messiah gets back. So not only are we talking about people in America trying to bring Jesus back, but also the state of Israel.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

Now Yeah, and almost every in almost every 'cause I feel like every content creator, like Christian and Catholic content creator, I think they're guilty of hyping it up too. Definitely. To agree.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

Yeah. Yeah. And is the Middle East even important? Like why why is everything centered on the Middle East always?

SPEAKER_00 44:44

Like I said, the there's like a lot of big religious feedback and war going on over there, and I think Israel is all about, you know, power land and you know, just your typical typical like power hungry country kind of deal. And that's why I think America's like, you know, gung ho to help them out.

SPEAKER_02 45:08

Right. Right. Yeah. But what if what if we didn't? What if, you know. I don't know. I don't know. Well, I don't know anything either. So right. What if we didn't? Like my world just fall apart?

SPEAKER_01 45:25

If you don't want there. If I think I think right, I think Israel can handle their own by Why do they always want the hammer? Right. They they misses the hammer. They always want the hammer. But they guild trip us in saying, well, we're you know, we're the we're God's chosen. We, you know, if it wasn't for us, then there is no Jesus, you know, stuff like that. And what a condescending thing to say, by the way, you know. Um what Israel as a country is doing, and this is why I don't believe that it is like the actual I don't think it's important is what I'm getting at. Like what do you mean? I don't think, okay, it is important for us to as Christians to prioritize the modern state of Israel. So what I'm s what I'm saying what I'm trying to say is is that Jesus Jesus already fulfilled that, okay, by saying when I because because he because he prophesied instead, your temple is going to fall down, the veil is going to be ripped off. In other words, that whole tribe thing, that whole tribalism thing, that whole trying the regather thing is all gone. Gone. You can have a country and name it Israel, a hundred percent. I'm not down in that. I if you've if is it real?

SPEAKER_02 47:16

Exact if that's fine.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

That's fine that they named it Israel. They could have named it anything else, okay? It doesn't it doesn't matter. I'm saying Jesus already fulfilled what the Jews are trying to do now as in bringing the Messiah, okay? And they're going to be on the end of the stick because it's already happened. So what I'm what also I'm trying to get at is with Jesus prophesizing that, there's a reason why, you know, it took them it they they they got kicked out of a hundred and nine countries they over over a span of two thousand years. They've just started since nineteen forty-nine uh reassembling, and it's it I think it's because th their act of disobeying God for you know by not Is it is it arrogance? What do you think it is? I think yeah, I think it's I think it's arrogance. I think it's a veil that has been put on their face that they have to they have to lift themselves.

SPEAKER_02 48:30

Um they think they're smarter than everyone else. Have to start up, like y'all don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 48:37

Like And it's also right and it's also another thing is that they're only like two percent of our population now. So, you know, the world's nearly two percent. So it's control. I th yeah I think I I think that stems I think that stems from them getting kicked out of so many countries is that once a certain family, once a certain Jewish family gets a hold of something, they cling on to it forever. And they start inviting their friends, their neighbors, their, you know. They're smart in that way. Yeah, and it builds up. And I mean, like I said, they've been persecuted so many times that they literally have to stick together. And I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that at all. I feel like lead is thicker than water. Right, exactly. I think every type of race would do that if if it was, you know, gold reverse, whatever. I you know. Right.

SPEAKER_02 49:40

And there's such a small population, right? Right, right.