They Wish You Were Born In Minnesota Episode 19: Ancient Manuscripts!

Relax and listen to Chris, Chris, and Dylan talk about ancient manuscripts dating from 2400bc all the way to the New Testament. This is a 2 part series! Enjoy and God bless. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:21

What's up, world?

SPEAKER_04 0:23

Oh, man.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

April twenty-second, two thousand twenty-six.

SPEAKER_04 0:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

They wish you were born in Minnesota coming at you. Once again. Once again. We're gonna dive into the ancient manuscripts today.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

Yes, it's gonna be it's gonna be very informational, very educational, very biblical. It's gonna be nice. It's gonna be nice. I have a good feeling.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Stick with us as far as the pronunciations go. Oh yeah. We're gonna do our best on these different quotes. But you know, so just letting everybody know that. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

When it comes to like ancient writings and scrolls and stuff, there's there's a lot there. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

And there's yeah, it was like I look I'm I look at it as like it was the first time mankind could really, you know, put, you know, in layman terms, like pencil to paper. But for for but for them it would be more like stone, you know. Like so like they saw these they saw these things and they were like, oh my gosh, nobody's gonna believe me. And you know.

unknown 1:55

Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:55

So I think that's like the beauty of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Well, it was smart in a way to put it on the stone because they knew the stone would be around forever. I mean, you could burn a book. You could burn a book, you could burn an animal skin, and it get lost or deteriorated or whatever, but somehow I think they knew the the most efficient way to pass the stories down was to carve it into stone. Yeah. And that'd be hard to argue because you know a lot of it has survived, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Yeah. Yeah, through like you said, like through the clay, some some of it has silver in it, you know, they stone, they you know, they did they were able to figure out that, you know, the I'm sure they tried to write stuff down in like wood, but then like you said, stuff will tend to either, you know, burn up or decay over time or whatever. And they just, you know, advanc like I would I would say the more structured civilization, you know, the higher cities and everything, they were able to figure out, like, hey, if we put this in stone, it's gonna last through the generations.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Yeah, I think there might be some truth to like the as far as the Egyptians go. Well, Egyptians uh dive too deep too soon, but I I think there was a civilization that was more ancient than them that built the pyramids and they came in and carved them.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Possibly that that is that is like the uh most popular theory behind it. I and what I will say is Egyptians were like not only were they just smart and like ahead of its time, because like they're the technology that they used, first of all. And when you take an X-ray of those of those tombs and those structures that are below it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

I I mean talking about the ground penetrating radar that they did recently. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

Yeah. I w I watched the documentary and they literally tried to they tried different ways on how to create the pyramids. And they were like, this is like this is impossible. Like with the technology we have today, we've already tried. Yeah, we've already tried everything that we could even think of about.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

Oh this is a little side note. Do you know about Coral Castle? No. The guy built it in Florida, and there were rumors that he was using these cone-shaped things to move the stones, and he has all this all of this hidden symbols and shit, like 369, like Tesla was talking about, and he built this this whole Coral Castle by himself. And like it's got huge stones. You look it up sometime when you get a chance, man. Yeah. It is worth a look. Oh I watched a documentary on that and I was blown away. Okay. So anyway, not to get us too too off track, but it's very interesting.

SPEAKER_02 5:15

Yeah. Yeah, well, uh the like the whole thing with the Egyptians, you know, they had a very they were very rich and prosperous, I would say. They had a lot of they had a lot of communications, I believe, when it came to like what we would call like I guess you would call it like the paranormal, because they were into like afterlife, spirit world. They would like to summon spirits and things like that. Like the Book of the Dead, it's basically a mystic power book on how they were able to basically draw spirits out to help them with things and rituals.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Book of the Dead was a big joint for Egyptians too, because they've found stuff from that in tombs and yeah. Stuff like that. It was because they have that and uh what is it? Um you saw Yeah, I I don't know, never mind.

SPEAKER_02 6:23

No, I nah you're good. I think I know what you're referring to.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

They had they had a pyramid text from 2400 BC, and it's called the Life of Medjen. Yeah. That's about the oldest known religious and it has what it has in it is spells, hymns, prayers inscribed on the pyramids. Yeah. Yep. And Medjen, I think I'm saying that right. Yeah, that's how I at least try to know. Yeah, that's that's an English way of saying it. I can imagine. It's M-E-T-J-E-N, if anyone's interested.

SPEAKER_04 7:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

A lot of um because but but like you said, they also like start it the Book of the Dead started to come back at around 1550 BC, too. Right.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

I I don't I can't I gotta honestly say I don't know much about the Book of the Dead.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

Yeah, it's um did that have to go to the biggest like ancient zones and stuff that they found in like mumma for units and stuff like that. Right. Like that's like one of the biggest Is that why they had two.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

Was it instructing them what to do with the dead?

SPEAKER_02 7:50

Uh essentially it it it it was relative to literally everything dead. So I don't know if it specifically states on like why I it would make sense. It it would make sense why if it built and and went through all the things. It would make sense because it's almost like their it's like their spiritual Bible, I would say, because of the amount of just like spiritual guidance, spirit you know, when it relates to that's why I've a that's why I want to say and come out that they had so much interaction with some type of being. Like some type of some type of I think it's before I I think it's gonna be like before I th I yeah, if you yes because fallen angels they taught the humans about some powers, they taught humans this and that and how to build, and and then you know the flood happened, but God also said that they were still around afterwards. So while while the earth was being repopulated, and that also goes into all of the manuscripts when it comes to the global flood. They had Oh, there's almost a flood in every book, yeah. Oh, right, exactly. So you gotta you gotta think, you know, Moses and I mean, sorry, Noah and his sons, you know, they lived for several hundred years of years, and they were they were producing like rabbits. So from it took around when you know when the ark set you know back onto you know dry land essentially, it took roughly 300 years for the first ever manuscript to be written about a global flood. So, and that would be what we considered is the epic of Gilgamesh. That was that would be the first manuscript about a flood, about a man that the the name is related to somehow Noah. It's got Noah in the name. I I believe it was one of maybe the gr the grandsons or granddaughters, the great granddaughters, because they also found text in the Amazon, you know, rainforest about the flood happening at the same time as we think that the flood happened.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

Oh, you know, the recent theory on the rainforest is that they planted a lot of those trees and stuff that grew into the rainforest and the jungle that it is. That it was actually cultivated originally. Isn't that fucking crazy? But that's a a recent theory. I mean, I'm just gonna think about it.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

I saw a few years ago they were excavating some stuff down there and they ended up finding like an entire city. City? Yeah. Like it really wasn't like a rainforest, like you were saying.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

No, like it's more of like they planted the land to like work with it. Like if you did an ethical farm at your house and you had fruit trees and nut trees, and then you know, not not just a farm like we think of it. You till the ground up, put the seed in it. Like they were like thinking of it more as like what plant would work with the other plant and the nutrients and and and just and it grew into what it is today. That's what they think. That's yeah that's recent science that thinks that. Not me saying it, but I'm saying it's interesting to think about. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Oh yeah, I think I think yeah, I've I'm very fascinated with it. You know what I mean? Because like the there's like it's almost like a blank slate of history. Where it's like the oldest tones and texts that we have describing like the Great Flood and everything, it is like all we have about that moment, almost as if everything was washed away and they did just start all over again.

SPEAKER_01 12:27

Oh, and some of the earl earliest some of the earliest explorers of that area said that they were like cities, and there were like, you know, five fifteen hundred people living in a village or whatever, and another huge village, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Yeah, but just my point though is like the only evidence that they have is geological. Right, right, like uh that like people actually existed before the world was covered with water, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Yeah, we don't have any of their books. Shit, there was one uh documentary that I watched the other day that to build a dam, they purposely flooded this underground city that was fucking amazing. There was a diver that was diving down to show what the city looked like, and uh it it looked like it could have been Atlantis. I mean it was incredi it was incredible, and they purposely flooded that shit so they could have their dance.

unknown 13:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

Crazy.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

That's some shark and stuff. It's you know what's also interesting is that the the church that held the Council of Nicaea is underwater. And uh I'm pretty sure that I'm pretty sure Nicaea is either in Italy or it's like off the coast of Italy. It's in that region. But it's by the Yeah, and and just like it's like okay, so one of the like one of the most famous meeting spots for Christians in the 300s and 400s, like they just let all of that just go away. Like the the the base of the church is still there, but it's literally in water. Right. Right. The entire city that was there, completely underwater. Like nobody lives there anymore. They have these ancient structures that are just collapsed into the water and they don't even take care of it. Whoever owns that area doesn't even take care of it. Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

They should be working on fucking levees and pumping the water out and fucking restoring that spot. I mean. Yeah, there's literally like Vatican has enough money. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:42

Yeah. There's like 3D renderings and stuff, and it looked like a beautiful city. I'm alright, uh, but I don't know. Nice Nicaea. Nicaea, yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's in Italy. Okay. I'll look it up.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

When we get done, I'm gonna put it on the YouTube and take a look. That sounds good intro.

SPEAKER_02 15:04

Um the one the where I saw it from was uh Wes Huff. He went over there about a few months ago. Gotcha and did it and did a few episodes on there. Oh, in the they have like tombs down there that they would meet at, and those looked pretty cool. There was some like paintings and stuff that they did that you can see.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Have you guys ever seen the the a Turkish underground city? I've talked about it before, but it it's uh it's unbelievable. It's carved into stone, they have air vents, they have uh they're a water it's uh like some goat farmer found it like by accident. Right on his land and they found out it it could hold like fifteen thousand or twenty thousand people. Yeah. Yeah, already crazy.

SPEAKER_02 15:57

Well, you know, I I I'm now realizing when we were in the Vietnam War, the Vietnamese used to uh basically live underground.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

Yeah, they used underground caves. There was a guy Right, yeah. There was a guy villain who came out after like twenty years and was still living in the cave or whatever, and didn't know the war was over. Oh man. He had no fucking clue because he was so underground and so I I don't know what the fuck he was doing, but it was a story about twenty years or something, and he came up and he was like thought the war was still going on. Right, right. That's kind of funny. Alright, so you guys want to dive in these ancient texts? Let's let's yeah, let's get into some controversial ones. Alright, I'll start then by talking about the Sumerian instructions of Shiropa. And how do you spell Sheropa so I can write it down? It's uh S S H R U P P A K. Okay, gotcha. Shiropach. Gotcha, okay. And this is basically we're talking 2600 BC. And the text we're supposedly featuring the father, Shiropak, giving practical and ethical advice to his son, Suizodra. And you know, it's like basically proverbs that focus on social behavior, reputation, and agricultural management. What we were just talking about, actually. And the Sumerian text, according to Zachariah Sitchin, the Sumerians, you know, the the Nephilim or whoever came, came down and they were giants, and they used the humans as slaves to mine gold because they needed gold to protect their atmosphere, because their atmosphere was fading. So they needed to put a bunch of gold in their atmosphere. And there's ancient mines to this day that they can't explain where they came from or who mined them or who what, you know. So I just want to bring that up. A lot of people dispute Zachariah Sitchin's work. I'll say that, but that's me. It's interesting because if you look at the cave pictures and shit, they have all the planets above them, all the visible planets, or the seven wanderers. Just like they appear in the sky. There's just a lot of stuff that you would wonder how little hunter-gatherers would know. How how would they have put that on the walls? Like there had to be some kind of uh underhanded knowledge going on. So, yeah. Chris, do you want to say anything before I go?

SPEAKER_00 18:53

The Sumerian texts are interesting. Yeah. I don't know a whole lot about them, but that is like some of the most oldest writings that we've ever found and been able to interpret, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Yeah. See, that part's always been the most interesting thing to me. Because like we can hardly even speak the language and stuff like that, you know what I mean? Right. Yeah. Other than that, I don't I don't really know a whole lot about them. You know what I'm saying? Because I don't know. It's always one of those things too, where like I I've always been like kind of skeptical if they know what they what they said or what you know what I mean? Like I'm like, kind of like you cre you were saying, Chris, how they're like proverbs, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

I feel like if the language is so outdated and people can't really decipher it to a degree already, then like I feel like that it's easy for them to get things misinterpreted.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Or just make something up. Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, look at look at the Mayan symbols. Are we to believe? I mean, I guess there's still Mayans here, but are we to believe that somebody can really interpret what all the little symbols are? And the calendar, and you know, because everyone was uh up in arms thought, 2012, the world's gonna end. Oh, right. Yeah. See, they don't that's how I am. Remember all that? You know. And if you look at their writings, their writings, but they're like symbols and shit. And how is anyone supposed to make you believe that they know exactly what they meant? And you know, I I just I I'm with you, man. I'm skeptical about a lot of it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

So like, and it's and it's funny because sometimes I think about stuff like that to a degree, you know what I mean? And it's funny that you bring up the mind calendar too, because like I think about that, and it it's it's it's hard to tell if like supernaturally there's any kind of like dude because did did things feel vastly different after 2012? I mean, for me personally, yeah. And I mean it just seemed kind of like because there was like people were freaking out about that, and then the next big thing was the pandemic, you know. Like you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

Right, right. Well, that was some ways afterwards, but I I felt like there was a uh almost uh changing of consciousness, and I think that's more what their calendar meant. It didn't mean it was gonna be the end, it just meant that the calendar was starting over, like and we're moving into a new age, the golden age, they called it.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Oh yeah. See, that shit that shit kind of scares me. Yeah. called the times before the flood, you know what I mean? I've heard people use that ex the that term to describe that moment before the flood in human history was like, you know, the golden age, you know, the where we had like this direct contact with the Nephilim and these like fallen angels. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 22:24

Like but there but there is, one could argue, a raising of consciousness. Like now consciousness flows faster than propaganda flows. So I think as a whole, yeah we have our libtards and we have idiots but I think as a whole people are learning things now that might have taken me 20 years somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

Like Dylan had to basically you're saying the how information is consumed and transported is vastly different than it's ever been.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

I think yeah now and know it's just our and I think that like someone Dylan's age is is well aware of things that took me twenty years to fucking learn, you know, but because the information's right there at his fingertips and he's willing to learn it. So that's that's all it takes. I mean we have the library of Alexandria on our telephones. Yeah. You know so you could you can either use it to doom scroll or you can use it to fucking expand your mind and learn things. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. And the smart ones are willing to do that and want to do that and other people you know whatever that'll meet their fucking Cheetos and bots for no deck.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

Like I said that's it's just some biblical stuff, you know Jesus said like in the time of Noah Right Yeah Yeah definitely I think I think yeah that's the whole technology thing is really it's almost like well it's a t it's it's a tool.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

You have to use a tool don't let that tool use you like so if you use it for good it can be good. Right. If you don't if you don't it could be bad I it's like anything else right I a shovel a shovel could could dig me a swimming pool or I could bust someone their fucking head with it. Kill them. Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

Yeah that's a that's a tool it's a tool it's no different that being said we still do have to fight back against these stupid data centers they're trying to build and all that shit but and I'm not because I think it's it's kind of funny to a degree how as a race w race almost like humanity we've grown so arrogant to think that we're so much better than our past brethren, you know what I mean? Like thousands of years ago and stuff like that when in all actuality I don't think we've changed that much you know what I'm saying? Like it's just like technology and how information and stuff like that is passed along yeah it's it's a it's vastly different, you know?

SPEAKER_02 25:32

Yeah but at the same time we're still core at the core the same yeah but what would you rather what what what intellectually too yeah what would you rather like when you talk about knowledge being intelligent what would you rather have would you rather have this AI stuff or would you rather go back in time when you actually had the presence of God with you and in a in a in a better in a more physical manner when you had all of the angelic beings down here. You had you know you had all of that basically at your fingertips if you asked for it. Oh yeah because but the Go ahead finish my best oh I was no you're good I all I was going to finish with is um is there was more of a direct contact with with supernatural and intelligence than there is now. So I have a feeling that people were actually smarter back then compared to us now.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

We might be more civilized we might be more we might have better society scientific and right when it comes you know when it comes to medicine and stuff like that yeah but seriously spiritually well I agree with that a hundred percent I would yeah dude I was about to just say the same thing like I would just add that because with God you know they had the they already knew that intelligence doesn't mean jack shit if you didn't have the ro wisdom on how to use it.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

Exactly yeah oh yeah and when's the last time you know you just stared at the sun and put your toes in the sand so you're grounded by the earth and didn't have any electronics on you. You know you're just out at the beach and uh ex existing within the spiritual plane and the plane of the earth and things I I mean I I've had things happen where I I I do that and I sit there and meditate and then next thing you know the bird the birds are coming by you. The fish are jumping. Whatever you want to say like you're looking around and the things are the earth is responding to you because you're responding right because you're responding to it. Yeah yeah so I think that that's important man. I I really get not that I'm not that I'm against technology because I love the fact that you were learning you are learning things faster than I learned them because you're willing to learn right so that part of technology is awesome. Like I wish I wish I knew now what I know now. I wish I knew then what I know now is what I'm saying. Right, right trying to say you know when I when I was your age 22 I wish my my my mind was this expansive and knew all this shit but you know what it didn't we were using analog fucking devices right we were making music but it wasn't as easy to get on your phone and use the internet. I didn't even want to I didn't even want to text it took a girlfriend to fucking break me in that habit because all that's all she did was text.

SPEAKER_03 29:09

Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

Anyway so I finally started texting I had this little flip envy envy something or other the little keyboard on it. I still have it I still have it it's right in front of me actually but any anyway I I'm just saying so it could just just with anything man. It could be great or it could be a bad thing. And that's that's what I'm trying to stop with this data center fucking bullshit because we don't really need AI. We don't I mean the internet's great and oh speaking of which I do have another question. Piggy piggybacking off of that what do you guys think about the the dead internet series?

SPEAKER_02 30:01

I've heard of it but I've never dove into it.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Okay so basically when I was younger and I pulled up the internet it would say one point five million results.

SPEAKER_03 30:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

And you could go page after page after page after page after page after page. Now if you do it it comes up like maybe the top three or four pages and then it just craps out. Like you can't even really find anything past that. Okay. So it's like someone's curating the internet it's not like it used to be where you actually have one point five million results. Like you can just click and click and click and click and find different pages but it it doesn't exist like that anymore which is strange.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

Dude I literally had that experience like five years ago where dude it was on the freaking news. I remember watching the news and it was all like like Russia felt uh essentially like a UFO came into Russia or something like that. Russia government ended up like taking it or whatever and so like as soon as I saw it on the news I immediately looked it up right on my phone right and I was able to get the article da da da well three days later I wanted to show my dad I type in the exam exact thing and it's all deleted and it was acting like it never happened that it was never aired see right so I've I've that's exactly what I'm talking before.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

So okay then yes I do believe in that yeah it's fucking crazy it's it's like they're curating the internet just you and he had this whole discussion like a few months ago at work.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

Remember that yes I do as you know me I'm a full believer in that and uh yeah I've been a big believer in that since like twenty twelve and when the when the theory basically first started like circulating and it wasn't even like a big thing. You know what I mean? I was kind of like a big believer because even at the end of the day like even the more ridiculous parts of it in the very beginning I was like well there's obviously some sort of government or overreach or control. Oh yeah well they're not they obviously wouldn't let us purchase it and be able to subscribe to it without at least being close to the point where they could be able to basically have it under their thumb like they did cable or television. Yeah it was in like the 80s.

SPEAKER_01 32:59

Right, right so they're not stupid they they they know that their their their normal media method of regular TV and shit is going away from that so they're gonna try to capture the internet and it was started by the Alphabet company which is all CIA fucking wrong yeah yeah Google under the alphabet yeah yeah because I would argue too we've had like because in the 2010s I would argue in the 2010s we had like a uh 80s kind of renaissance you know what I'm saying because they they started to sell the internet like a new form of cable you know what I mean like in 2006 we had YouTube and YouTube started a bunch of music videos and different artists subscribing to it and then so like people started discovering these 80s music videos and the very beginning of MTV and that just kind of started to become cool again. Yeah yeah I'm just saying they're not going to give us anything without trying to capture it but yeah I mean they're they're constantly trying to capture it. I mean you look like that's that's why it's a double double edged sword for me because of Elon Musk because I mean he did a lot to free X and you know a platform that we're on and we ain't had no problems yet we're talking about whatever the hell we want to that's cool but you know I I'm I'm still shaky on him but you know I I think overall he's good. He at least did some good to free some shit up.

SPEAKER_00 34:49

Yeah yeah well you know I think uh I think a lot of him and all the other people that are deeply involved with AI I would say they're obviously very interesting and they lead very complicated lives. Yeah yeah no doubt no doubt you know it's funny me and Dylan were having a discussion about that stuff at work and I was saying we what it was after uh the one dude that does chat GPT he was on Tucker Carlson right yes uh you're talking about Sam Albin Yeah and it really thought I see a guy a guy a little bit younger than me look so just so beat up and oh yeah because they played that clip to where ChatGPT he was like are you talking about the one where he was like I okay I'm gonna run start a timer are you talking about that one?

SPEAKER_02 35:50

No I used about the interview.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

All sends it to the city Carlson was digging into him pretty deep with the suicides and stuff like that, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 36:05

Yeah yeah there's been like ten scientists yeah like we were learning last week on this podcast it's like ten scientists that are fucking Yeah it's a bit I saw it on Fox News yesterday morning they were starting to highlight it and they all think yeah they all think that it's a like a government thing that like the government's doing it.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

They straight out said that this is not anything we've like we've seen. Like this is so this is so like concentrated you know these specific workers of a specific company you know got you know and but yeah so Chris because I was telling uh Chris the other day that they asked Sam Altman about this video and the video basically was like the guy was like ChatGPT I'm going to run for a certain distance come back but I want you to start it and and then I'm going to tell you when I come back right and so the guy says alright ChatGPT go ahead and start the timer now and it says Alright timer started he literally waits four seconds he comes back and says alright I just got done running stuff a mile and then and then Chat GP literally ChatGPT was like oh good you uh you ran for a total of twenty eight minutes and thirty seconds and burned this amount of calories ran these many miles and he was like he was like are you sorry Meanwhile the guy hadn't run shit right he ran he he no he literally just waited for like four seconds and then so they showed the interviewer showed Sam Altman this and Altman just looks like he looked like he did it with Tucker yeah it was literally dear in the headlights like he because the thing with Altman is is he's so like monotone and like possessed he looks like he's under a puppet like he looks like a puppet yeah like he's being controlled with a freaking gun it seems like every time he talks and I don't know if that's because of you know these tech pros dude when they some of their brains they just don't adapt to they're not wired and like to be social. You know they're not supposed to the real world world right they're supposed to be in a bubble and working on something and then you expose them they look you know they end up becoming like that but yo that guy ultra de definitely dude zombies yes dude a hundred percent and and it could be a little it could be a little witchcraft it could be a little you know demonic activity it can be you know all the above you know depending on the flavor of what the billionaire wants.

SPEAKER_00 39:04

Well sometimes I feel like they're they're kind of hand in hand. Right yeah definitely definitely like especially because I think I think if you abuse hallucinogens specifically like I fully believe you are leaving yourself open for like like you were saying demonic attack and stuff like that. You know what I mean? I believe it yeah dude so like because I I honestly believe that like MKUltra is like like ah man I don't know it's weird. I don't really want to get into MK Ultra that's a different episode and personally I believe Yeah and personally I'll just say this personally I believe that the the only reason we have the MK fault all ultras files and stuff is because they've already mastered a lot of that shit that they were studying and experimenting with. And how about this better and more sufficient ways to go about like you know mind control and and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

How about this? The world of physics doesn't exist or none of the stuff that they try to steer you into doesn't exist and the spiritual world exists. You know what I'm saying? They exist at the same time though like the ether and the spiritual world and that's what science doesn't recognize and that's the problem. Right. That's the problem with the whole thing I mean we are spiritual beings in a meat suit in a meat suit.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Spiritual beings in a meat suit realizes that they just don't want to talk about it. Right.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

I know they just want to disregard it and you can't disregard the spiritual realm.

SPEAKER_00 41:01

Well I think it's like and it's funny too because I think that uh when it comes to like big wig scientists and stuff like that you know I I often I often imagine if you're in that field and at the top of your game that there are like two different groups there are people that that acknowledge right that it's like oh yeah those there's a brick wall and that brick wall as far as we can tell is called God. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 41:36

And there's religious people, creationists, you know They don't they don't they don't want to they don't want to let it another group that just they built an entire thing of their own religion that's basically like we just they're trying to make science some religion about it and mumble about it.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

Right.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

They're trying to make science some religion and it's not right.

SPEAKER_00 41:59

Spirituality is a totally different realm and exactly like just kind of like a religion that basically goes to nothing.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

Yeah the sooner that everyone realizes that the better off we'll all be because we are spiritual beings in a meat suit.

SPEAKER_02 42:17

I mean that's what we are dude it's not the opposite it's not the opposite dude I have guaranteed example dude I agree a hundred percent with what both of y'all are saying alright I have a perfect example of this alright so you know so last night you know talking I'm talking with my brother and I'm and we're going over his list of injuries and everything and and literally my mom straight up was like well the one doctor at the first hospital said that this specific injury what meant like a like a certain he needed like a certain medicine da da da and then the other hospital that he went to that doctor said no that means it's being healed. He doesn't need any type of medicine for it. Right? And the first thing the first the first thing that came out of my mouth is like that's why I don't believe in science like that. I you have you have person versus person you have two different hospitals going at each other they're giving they're giving us mixed result you know completely different results. The same image but two different results that's why they always that's why they always say get a second opinion.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

Right and you know they always say that in medicine and it's by the way it's practicing medicine.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

So they're practicing practicing right on on the on the subject right so is uh I was having a discussion with Ms About the Calvert Memorial Hospital, and she was saying the person that's in charge now is apparently way more aligned with making profits than actually, you know, caring for patients. Oh well, that would make sense, honestly. Well but they all are. Like it's all about some people are more about corporation.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

Oh yeah, it's corporation. They gotta answer to the people who call the stock. You know what you know what's crazy?

SPEAKER_02 44:32

It's disgusting, but it's true. You know what's crazy? I bet yo, I did this yet I did this two days ago, I think. Look up look up Calvert Health. You know, uh Coward Memorial, Calvert Health, whatever it's called now. Their description literally says this is a nonprofit hospital.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

I I would say this, which is bullshit. By the way, everyone owns a different floor at the hospital. Everyone owns a different floor. Every corporation. Yeah, which is bullshit. Fuck, I lost my train of thought, man. I was gonna get into something. Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 45:11

Hey, uh while you think of it, we might have to do a part two on these manuscripts because this is a good conversation.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

I know, I know. I don't want to stop, but I think it is good. I think it is good and it's good for it for people to hear. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

You know what I learned while I was reading about ancient manuscripts and stuff? You know Satan, like the name?

unknown 45:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:41

I've recently learned that in ancient Hebrew tongue and Greek tongue, like pretty much ancient across the board, Satan is not a name. Right. Lucifer is an action.

SPEAKER_01 45:56

Lucifer is the is is his name.

SPEAKER_00 46:00

But when they say Satan in the Bible, it's usually describing an action. It's not talking about a person. And I think people get that mixed up, is really interesting to me. So, like, because for instance, the first thing that came to mind when I read that was in the Gospels, when they're about to go into Jerusalem, and Jesus is trying to get his apostles ready for what's about to go down when they get in there and start preparing. And Peter's like, nah, we wouldn't let that happen, you know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah. And you know, when Jesus says, Get behind me, Satan. Yeah. Yeah, he's not calling Satan or comparing him to a demon. He's basically saying, You can't stop this. There's no there's nothing you can do to stop this. So you might as well just give him the You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 47:00

Yeah. Yeah. That's a good note.

SPEAKER_01 47:02

Yeah, you're saying that basically a dark you completely dark room, and you light one candle, and the room is the bunch of room, uh the opposite way, you can't do that. You see what I'm saying? What? With with uh with with a little spark of light, you could light one candle and light up a whole room. You can't do the opposite. I'll say it again. About Huh? Oh oh, about the word Satan? No, I'm sorry. This has nothing to do with that. I thought you had summed that up beautifully. I I this is just totally different. I learned that. If a room is totally dark, imagine out with one little candle. But if a room is totally lit, you can't darken it out by one little what? What? Uh it's one for the good guys. Come on, man. You don't see what I'm saying? I see. Yeah. I can't believe you're saying you can light one little candle and light up the whole fucking room. You can't. Well, whatever, dude. I'm not up a fucking candle in the room. Put a rubber candle in your ass, dude. Dang. You shoot it out like jackass.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

This is a buds and catch the house my room on fire, so I would not do that.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

That's okay. I would put it out. I would put it out. I'd feel bad instantly and just put it out. What I'm trying to say is something that is profound. Like you can light up a whole room with a little ass candle. But you can't put it out the opposite way. You know what I'm saying? I Who's that ancient? That's ancient wisdom. I think it's appropriate for this episode. So are we getting into the Rigaveda? The Yaraveda? No. The Afadeda? What's that? These are like from 1500 BC. It's like Indian texts of sunskirts, hymns, one of the four sacred Hindu texts. Rigaveda, Yaraveda, the Atharaveda. And there's one whatever. Who cares? Who cares about the fourth one? It's unimportant. Oh, so it's it's Hinduism. Yeah. Yes, exactly. So the A Ati Veda is spells, incantonations, and course. It says The Astra Veda focuses on rituals. Yeah. The Riga Veda is an Indian text of Scanskar hymns, one of four sacred Hindu texts. And the fourth one God always does. I think I put it at the bottom of the page. Then there's also the Taito Ching. That's obviously Chinese ancient text. Yeah. It's from like I think 2400 BC, I think so. And basically what that is, is the Tao Te Ching or Tao Te Ching. And that's an ancient script text becoming a foundational work of Taoism, philosophy, and religious, highly influenced Chinese philosophy and religion. And that was that was 600 BC. Yeah. Same thing. Same thing.

SPEAKER_03 51:00

Yeah, there's a there's an Asian what is it?

SPEAKER_02 51:06

There's like a there's a Chinese book on how like the world was created and everything, and I don't I don't know the name of it. I didn't look this up. This was from a a Chinese preacher that ended up like escaping China and he preaches to like Chinese people all over the world. Basically, with with within older, you know, dynasties and everything. Basically, they they had a version of the you know Genesis, essentially. No, no, no, it was eight so China ended up getting a hold of the Old Testament very quickly before like scholars realize.

SPEAKER_01 52:02

Okay, well let's dive into that, because that the Chinese one was six hundred BC, so when was the Old Testament? Well, Old Testament was around the events well uh let's see. Not even events, just the text. Just the text? Alright, hold on, hold on. Yeah, w when did the text show up is what I would want to know.

SPEAKER_00 52:24

Like nine fifty BC?

SPEAKER_01 52:29

Okay, so uh three hundred and fifty years before this Toa J Ching. Yeah, Joe I think it's Doa Doe Jing. Yeah. I was just curious because it's you know, we want to give our listen listeners uh proper information.

SPEAKER_00 52:52

It's all will always be probably one of the most the book of Job you said No, Genesis. Genesis, yeah. Job is a mysterious one too.

SPEAKER_03 53:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:08

The book of Job that let me see, that that's uh that was found like 540 BC.

SPEAKER_03 53:18

Yeah. And Job actually lived uh uh during the time of Abraham.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

Yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

The most old books in the Bible.

SPEAKER_03 53:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:32

And was that cause Abraham lived so long? Is that why what uh try I'm trying to put it together. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

They live well, Abraham uh let's see.

SPEAKER_00 53:46

Abraham had when they lived and everything, because all we have is second hand, you know, knowledge.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

Right, like written in a Bible or something, uh family Bible or something.

SPEAKER_00 54:03

Yes, like that in the in the book of Genesis, like I said, it's hard to say when those care when those people actually existed.

SPEAKER_01 54:14

Because it's always hard, because you you're dealing with 2,000 hits. I mean.

SPEAKER_03 54:21

Right.

SPEAKER_01 54:23

It's hard to say. I'm just wondering what the what the writings say. Abra yeah, Abraham lived 175 years.

SPEAKER_02 54:33

And that was in the time of when that was between 2166 to 1991 BC. Wow. Yes. So right. And then and then Moses came out, or Moses lived for 120 years, so he was around the 1400s BC.

SPEAKER_00 55:00

Yeah, Moses. Well, they feel like Moses somewhere around 1400, 1500 BC. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:07

So that's why I believe that so there's a there is a there's a debate on if there actually is, and which I believe, okay, because I know it says in the 900s, but I believe that Moses actually like wrote down what happened. It's just that we never found that yet. We've only found like the copies of it, essentially. Because uh because because if we're gonna if we're gonna talk about if Jesus is God, okay, and if Jesus says and what Moses wrote is true, therefore, that means Moses wrote it, not somebody four hundred years after him. Therefore, I cannot disclaim what Jesus said because I believe in him as God.

SPEAKER_03 56:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:15

Which are in the Ark of the which they're in the covenant, the tablets are. But um yeah, I'm talking about the actual uh like scrolls and everything. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:30

Because if you do a deep dive in ancient history, you you can find a lot of evidence that Moses existed. A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_02 56:41

And that, yeah, yeah. There is. Especially, especially in Egypt. Egypt is like the number one place where you will find Moses.

SPEAKER_01 56:52

What do you guys think about the Echinacea tree that fucking lit on fire and was heavy in DMT? Yeah, the burning bush.

SPEAKER_04 57:03

Yeah. Yeah. It was very popular.

SPEAKER_01 57:04

It was very popular around there. What do you guys think about that? You think that the regular Egyptians and stuff were using that to connect with the spiritual world? And because I believe you can. Oh, I'm sure you can. I I've done it.

SPEAKER_02 57:21

I mean I I have a feeling I have a feeling that's how uh God revealed himself to uh Moses. It's not like I don't think I don't think Moses went out on his way to do that. To do it, but it ended up happening like that, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 57:39

Yeah, because he connected with the spiritual plane which could connect him with God and which God instructed him what to do. Like and that's a it's very hard to argue with any of these ten commands or the golden rule, or any of that shit. Like it's very uh very hard to argue how that wouldn't make you a better person or a better life. Like I would just tell all you Christians that, like, very hard to argue. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 58:15

Nah, you're good, dude. It uh no, it f it fits perfectly. It fits in. So yeah, the mo yeah, Moses himself, it was just there's just so many like you know, what secular scientists or archaeologists say is like there's there's so many coincidences that there there was a foreign baby that was brought up by a Pharaoh's daughter that raised him and took care of him. And then literally, right after Yeah, he floated hold on, he floated down the river, right? Floated down the river, dude. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

Floated down the river in a basket.

SPEAKER_02 58:57

In a basket, yeah. She got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And because so he lived for 120 years, okay? So if you divide you divide it by three, you end up getting forty. Okay, so if you split the time periods in Egypt from when they think Moses was born and when he died, it explains it the in the history of Egypt, it explains that on a specific year, the Pharaoh's daughter ended up c had the heart of I forgot what how they explained it, but they wrote, they drew a picture of her or painted a picture of her, and they basically said, like, the kindest woman, or something like that. The translation is something like that. Like she was very sincere, she wanted to take care of everybody, she wasn't this, you know, very aggressive e Egyptian, and that there was a foreign baby, then there was a foreign baby. She was more mother. Oh, yeah. Because you also got to think that the Hebrews were enslaved at the time. Okay? So she had a really big heart and saw Moses, got Moses, raised him, gave him the wisdom which the Bible states that he got Egyptian wisdom, and that he learned everything from Egypt, or from the Pharaoh, and and the there's they made an actual they made an actual uh like a statue of him, like a carving of him.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:35

Well, they would just it it was also interesting too that in uh Egypt, ancient Egypt, they had high priests, and they had pr ancient high priests that would do monoatomic gold. Yeah, yeah, I remember you saying that. And they would make they would make loaves of bread out of it. And it was like transformative as far as allowing you to exist in the human plane and the spiritual plane. Like that is like ancient fucking wisdom that they all knew and they all practiced, but you you weren't in the know unless you were in the know.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:16

Right. Yeah. Well you want to know something funny, dude, is that they uh they have a they have a ta they have two documents or two artifacts that I believe are in the museum bible. Or the Yeah. The there's one tablet that depicts right after Moses uh freed the slaves that he it it literally says like do not trust the Hebrews or don't trust the specific foreigners of this land. They bring in they basically called them magicians. And it's just very ironic because Egypt were the ones that held that type of sorcery power. The thing was is that you know, Moses had God, it was God's doing, you know, and they were basically calling God and the people, you know, a bunch of magicians and sorcerers. I I found that artifact ironic, and then two hundred years two hundred years after that, they found they found a or an artifact was created by one of the pharaohs, and it literally says how there was a little bit of a war that happened, and that Egypt ended up kicking out all of the uh Hebrews. And Shiva.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

Is that what it's called? Well, Shiva is the ancient Hindu god of destruction. Oh Shiva. Shiva is outside CE CERN. There's a statue of Shiva outside CERN. Oh CERN is the head of the life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So there's uh four books from India and Hinduism, and basically it's uh Rig Veda, the Yasvaveda, the Athraveda, and how what's the other one? I don't know, I have it on the other page, but anyway, the Atraveda or Veda, these spells, encantons, and course. The Yakrav Veda focus on rituals. The Rikva Veda, and these are all like 1500 BC for anyone who's interested. The Indian text of Sunskirt Hymns, one of the four sacred Hindu texts. And I wish it was fine. I'm telling it won't be. I'm missing one, but anyway, there's there's four of them. You guys can look 'em up on your own time. Um, but that's the basis of it. It it was basically one was interesting because the spells, incarnations, and spells, basically. Fucking, yeah. So that's interesting. And then, you know, I think they're all I think all these ancient books were like trying to write down things to have a a guide to life. Like, how can I live a better life spiritually in my meat suit, you know, whatever. What can I do that will he head me in the better direction? They were almost just like spiritual teachers. And, you know, a lot of these books existed before even the Bible in the Old Testament. And then once that came along, you know, they the people were all headed in the right direction. They they knew they knew for us to be human, we need what we needed to do, and what we needed to do spirituality. And that's just what that's just what I believe, man. I think it's all books that edge you in the right direction, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:19

I'll argue with I'll argue with you, Chris. That's fine. Because I don't I don't believe in any of that. But I have my reasons. I don't comment I don't come empty-handed, Chris. Don't. If we're going to if we know that God is real, okay, and if we know that God has a specific law on what is good and what is evil, if we understand that, if we believe in that, okay, we have to we we we gotta understand that when he be just because the Bible is Just because the Torah, which is the first four books of the Old Testament, just because if the Torah wasn't written, doesn't mean that it wasn't explained to all of the humans that were on the earth at a certain time. So I think we have to go in and and basically tell ourselves, like, look, God gave us the law, God gave us how to live and how to find him, even though that we messed up and that we sinned and that mankind, you know, Adam and Eve messed up mankind for, you know, until you know Jesus comes back to fight the evil, you know, but they already knew that. So essentially what what happened was is that as the population got going, they started to spread out more and more. Well, when come with when it comes, you know, out as is explained in Genesis 6, is when the fallen angels started to come in, they started to teach unholy ways. They started to teach them bad wisdom and b very bad things. Therefore, you're going to get these certain sex of religions. You're going to get different ways that they say, well, if you just believe in what I say, I can get you into paradise and what you're looking for. If you follow me, I can show you how to live a great life. And then it got to the point where God basically said, you know what, you know, after the flood and all of that, basically God said, I have to re-establish with my people. I have to go and re-establish the law. He did it through Moses. Then that's when our old that's when our Torah was created, so that every human could have a copy. Every human could go into the temple and worship God. And then it started into the prophets. Teaching us morality. Right. And and I I really want all of the viewers to understand that it just be you know, there's there's whatever hundreds of thousands of millions of different religions. As a Christian, we understand that there are other religions out there and that there's religions that are that predate the Bible. But what I'm telling y'all is that it doesn't predate the word of God that we believe in. So that's my I that's my belief on all of the other religions. The ones that are after Jesus are like completely debunked with like a like I'm not no, I'm not even going to use the word debunked. I don't it's no, because they fall into the same believing the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:55

Yeah, we're talking about the the Mormons or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:58

I mean, is Islam all right. Yeah, right. Right. They look back at it Yeah, they they look back at the New Testament and basically say, oh well, I just don't agree with that anymore, so I'm just gonna make an entire new book. But dude, yo, someday, the United Church of Christ, okay, which is an American-based church, okay, the United Church of Christ, the freaking head one of the head uh priests there, which is a woman, I don't know how, but she she straight she straight up said, Well, the the old and the new testament are completely outdated and they are very offensive to the gays and the trans. So God needs to send us a third one to be a little bit more not so vulgar. Well, hundred percent. That is not that is not a fundamental Christian, that is not, that is of the devil.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:06

And it's but he brought up Hinduism, right? Because the funny thing about Hinduism is that does predate the Bible, right? Yes, right. Yeah. So the funny thing about Hinduism is there's also ancient scrolls that are Hindu that also actively dealt with Jesus. Like, so there are scrolls that basically claim that Jesus was one of their deities in like a avatar form or whatever. So I think it's interesting that, like you were saying, Dylan, earlier, was religions that post-date Christianity always fundamentally needed a gateway or something to Jesus. So, and that's what's really interesting to me, especially about Jesus, is even a religion that predates Christianity and even Judaism to a degree, still dealt with Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:16

Right, but after the fact. Exactly. That's what I'm getting at, is that like the they they literally they literally read the New Testament. They literally read the New Testament and said, Oh no, I need him on my team.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:30

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:32

Nope. This is this is completely wrong, but I want to use him. And it's like, how is that even like how like, you know, you know what I'm trying to say?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:43

I even need him if I'm confident. You know what I mean? Right. Like if you already have time on your side, and if nothing was really there in the first place, then why do you have to like make more writings to actively deal with?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:59

Oh, it's definitely a pride and egotistical thing. Because all they had to do was be like, whoa, this so you're telling me that this guy right here, this teacher guy right here, this is you claim he's God. Alright. We've been kind of looking for this guy for like, you know, the past since, you know, the creation. Right. Let me just let me just follow this book. Let me just let me get the four gospels, let me get some letters from Paul. But they did it. They they okay, they read it, but then they went back to their country and they said, We have to claim 'em right now. He is now the head of our ancient religion.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:40

You know, instead of just following the New Testament.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:43

I think they were scared of him. And they knew. Maybe they were they were the the tribes or the royal families knew they were done. As soon as he was proclaimed what he was and what he was living at. You know what I mean? I think they knew they were done. Yeah. Um and it's um unfortunate, but it was also it was also like two thousand years ago, we're still talking about it. Uh exactly. Yeah. Two thousand twenty-six years to be exact. We're still talking about it. Right. Right. That's a that tells you everything you need to know, right there, brother. A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:32

We'll look at that, man. Like, I I f I think this is a good time to bring up the book of Isaiah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:40

Yeah, okay. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:45

That's old writing, too. Yeah. So like the earliest version they have, they think, is like 8th century.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:57

Is that before or after the book of Enoch? The book of Enoch. I say. That's way before Enoch. Way before Enoch. Okay. Yeah, like thank you. I just asked that question for our viewers, because I didn't really know.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:14

It's between 400 and 600 years before Enoch. Sorry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:19

Sorry to interrupt you, Chris.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:21

Persian was found with the Book of Enoch, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:26

Yeah, it was yeah, it was around the Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:30

At least it was around, because they also found a lot of different, like, medieval stuff as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:36

Yeah, and those mountains and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:41

The Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:44

But I Yeah, go ahead. If you want to read something that feels like you're reading, like ancient manuscripts, it's the book of Isaiah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Definitely up along those lines of you know, the Book of Enoch and even Revelations and the Book of Daniel, you know. Yeah. Like science fiction, like To a degree, yeah, very spiritual. And the thing about Isaiah is it is it's built up like this. So like it's 66 chapters. And the the first couple chapters deal with like a kind of set the tone, and then it goes into judgment and stuff like that, and it then it starts to talk about real crazy like prophetic writings about Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:58

Yeah, like it it some of it is just crazy with the talking about it it's like 'cause they talk about like a savior and everything because it does in the middle, it directly deals with like mankind.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:19

So what I was watching something the other day that was like talking about, let's say uh getting raised up to the seven steps of heaven. And uh is that uh is that uh from Enoch? Is that uh but you know, he got into the seven different realms and they got brought back down. Like so okay, yes. Read, read.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:47

Okay, alright, alright, hold on.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:49

Because it's very fascinating to me because the book of Isaiah kind of packs all of that in a single book of the Bible, right? Oh, wow, wow, altogether, even with the New Testament, the Bible is comprised of sixty-six books.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:11

Right, right. And the Ethiopian one is like eighty-eight books, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:16

The Catholic is seventy-two.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:18

Yeah, Ethiopian is eighty two. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Explain it. But go ahead, Chris. Keep talking. You're uh sounding good.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:32

Uh Chris, because the Catholic Bible has a lot of those books were added by Greeks and stuff like that. It wasn't Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:40

It wasn't the Jewish, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:43

Exactly. I got it. But see, that's interesting, Dylan, is like it it's funny how you know this was all the way back in like eight hundred BC, and it was almost like it kind of predicted the entire Bible in its entirety.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:07

It was all done. The old testament, you're saying, or what? And the New Testament. And you're talking about something that was like eight hundred years before Jesus was even born.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:20

Yeah. Right, right. I think it was all coming to crescendo and 'cause a lot of the ancient books that I look at are all like leading towards the same direction of like trying to get you spiritually, morality, like, you know, get you towards the side of of of something good, you know? And even if that was before Jesus, that's great. That's great. They talking at society headed in the right direction. Like and you know. That's just not what uh what I would say. Can I go back to Isaiah? Yeah, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:01

Alright. Hell yeah. Alright, so Chris, the and and I and alright. Look, I'm just finding this out too, okay? Okay, because when you were explaining so Chris, you you did a great explanation on explaining Isaiah. Chris, when you're when you talk about the the seven heavens, okay?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:24

Yeah, the seven places that we went through.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:28

So that that is not in the biblical Isaiah, okay? That is a yes, that is a first to second century writing. What does that mean? That is so it came after. It came after Jesus died, okay Okay. So that's fine. So it's called it's called the vision of Isaiah, and essentially what it did is it took the specific event where God gave Isaiah a vision. It's not that it's not that he ascended, it was God gave him a vision about Jesus and all of that. And the say something about the seven realms, though? No, nothing, because he never went to heaven. He had a vision of what was going to happen and how it happened, because Isaiah even said he is going to be put on a tree, the cross, he's going to be nailed, he's going to be impaled, he talks about all this stuff. And the vision of Isaiah, which is a book that was created after Jesus died, it says that he saw Jesus in the seventh realm of heaven. That is completely unbiblical. All Christian and Jewish theologians know that this is fan fiction. It was just a it was just a story to to pass along to be some sort of like relief, like a just a biblical relief to the people. So don't treat it as canon, because it's not.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:13

Well in the Old Testament it talks about like how the tree is like a ladder almost a direct connection to us and God.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:24

Well, it it but in the sense of what how Jesus died. Isaiah predicts it. I'm pretty sure Zechariah. So there's there's it there's context to this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:37

Specific is that Jesus is our counsel to God. Right.

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But it it clearly describes how Jesus actually dies, though. Be eight five like eight hundred years before it was even created. Yeah, I know. That's it's crazy, dude. Yeah, right. So I understand the symbolic way of interpreting it. I understand that. I'm talking about the physical. Because you know, you know how God is. You know how Jesus was. Jesus spoke in parables. God did the s God essentially did the same way with these visions. You know, he gave you a symbolic way, but he also gave you a physical way. You know.