They Wish You Were Born In Minnesota Episode 19 Part 2: Ancient Manuscripts!

This is part 2 of the ancient manuscript series that Chris, Chris, and Dylan dive into. We cover Mormonism and Catholicism, and how over time the doctrines have changed. Enjoy. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:21

Okay, one thing is the Church of Latter-day Saints girls came back. Oh I want to tell you guys that I questioned I questioned her on the finding the tablets then. And she claimed that there were yeah, that she claimed that there were eight people that saw the tablets and witnessed the tablets. That's what she claimed. She's just a little teenage. But I did kind of hold her feet to the fire on that one. I was like, I was like, this just seems like, you know, ridiculous. And I showed her the flower of light picture, and I had a picture of Jesus that they gave us, you know, was tucked in the corner, whatever. But she thought that was cool. But uh, yeah, that was her response. That's what they're telling them. Right, which isn't true.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

The big rebuke for that. The big rebuke for that is the guy the the his like witnesses, they were all like related to her or had some sort of like political gain. Because you gotta look up the dude that started the religion. He was like the he was like a politician.

SPEAKER_03 1:45

Right. Yes. And supposedly no L saw those tablets besides him. So I don't know where she's getting paid.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Yes, I just researching it, I've never came across eight people. I've never like read about that before. Meaning that's I kind of just laughed at her.

SPEAKER_03 2:09

I was like, okay, y'all, holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Well, like I said, he did have people that vouched for him. I mean, how else do you think the real the religion or yeah, the religion, how else do you think it got to where it is today?

SPEAKER_00 2:25

Well, I think he was using God as as he was grabbing more land because that's what it was. It was political power and the land grabbing. I think they saw that and they were like, oh, of course he's a prophet. Or of course he's a problem.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Right. So I think that's how they're jumped on it.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

All of all the big forgotten.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Right, at least then when you when you look down and you read it, you know Yeah, it's like a science. Yeah. Right, and then I'd agree with that. And then on on top of that, the his best friend, his best friend's wife told him to fake lose the tablets. And now Mormons will say that uh or the the new Mormons now will say that it the wife didn't make him fake lose them, that they were lost in transportation. But the old Mormons, like pre-1960 Mormons, I've seen some videos on them talking about it and the people that escaped the church, and they said that's what they were teaching was um like a cult.

SPEAKER_03 3:34

It's like a cult church, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:37

That's I would call it when it first got started.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

Right. Now it's Scientology type of thing. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

Yeah, and now it's more of like a it's like a community. It's more of it's more They do believe in Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 3:53

Appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Yeah, that's my thing about the Mormons and stuff anymore, is like their biggest oh, I just hope like if you're Mormon and you want to stay Mormon, I just pray that your biggest focus on that is Jesus Christ. Like your religion is still him and not whatever the fuck the tablets and shit. Right, all that.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She basically told me that I had a place to live and that her sister could be my other wife.

unknown 4:25

Right.

SPEAKER_04 4:25

Type of shit.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Yeah, that's the thing. They're more like community-based now. They're really big into owning developments and having people live there.

SPEAKER_03 4:35

I'm just kidding about that last part. She did not say that.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

Oh, dang.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

I was again like I'm just trying to be funny.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

But that's something they would say. That's something they would say, because they're very charitable. Territorial. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:53

I wonder if there's a Mormon church around here now.

SPEAKER_03 4:56

I don't know. That's a good question. I you know, they just appear. They're not even in a car or anything. I don't even know. They disappear and then they're in my driveway and mostly.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

Well, let me yeah, let me look. Because I know a few Mormons that probably is. There probably is.

SPEAKER_03 5:14

Because they they have a lot of money, man. I mean, Utah is living in fucking mud. So the I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, the girls that keep coming by my house are on a mission. So all their shits all their shits probably paid for. So uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

There there's one in Sunderland and one in Lexington Park and one in airplanes. So I bet these are the ones from Lexington Park, probably. Yeah. Or if they're miss if they're missionaries, then they they're probably not even from around here, and then they have like a they get set up in a hotel or another Mormon's house.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

Now, what is the difference between Latter-day Saints and Mormon? I think they're the same.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

I think that's I think Mormon is the like technical term, but the church itself is called Latter-day Saints.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

Yeah, I think the biggest difference is like late Latter-day Saints would be more like um sort of speak liberal about it. Like they're not so much more about like I think they're the ones that are more about Jesus Christ and stuff, and they don't really care too much about the origin of like being Mormon and stuff. Right, right. So I think that's like the biggest thing is since they're not a basically since they're legally a religion and not a cult, they try to strictly just stick to the gospel, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 6:48

So the Mormons were probably good, though. So the Mormons were probably the original idea. And then the Latter-day Saints was an extension of that idea. So they're they're technically Mormon, but they're to the right. Because they still believe in Jesus. So you know I th I think I think.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

It says that Mormon is a nickname derived from the Book of Mormon, while Latter-day Saints is the preferred formal term and emphasizing their faith in Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 7:23

Oh, so they are they are the same thing, then.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

It's just a different way of describing it. I j I right, but you know, there just could Chris could be onto something. There could be like a little shift in between would you rather be called a Mormon or a Latter-day Saint? And I think if you want to get called, you know, you you know, a different one, then there's a particular probably specific sect of the I feel like Latter-day Saints leans more towards Jesus, like than uh typical Mormon.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

And that's and that's a guess. That's just me spitballing and guessing too. Like I said, but I've noticed that like Mormons now try to focus mainly on the gospel, and you don't hear them preach too much about Jo Joseph Smith and all that busy stuff when it first got started.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

Yeah, that is good because Joe Joseph Smith, his original focus point was that an angel came to him and and retold the gospel, essentially. And well, and the five because he had the vision that when Jesus died, he came over to America and he placed the tablets, and the angel told him where the tablets were, and so when he grabbed you know he found them, according to him, it it was a new testament. So you know we have old, new, well, Joseph Smith found the most updated testament of Jesus. That's what he claimed and told everybody.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

I know wasn't it like when he when he flew away from the pardon me. Cause doesn't it wasn't the whole thing like it said that he instead of ascending into heaven basically from the Mount of Olives, he basically just flew to the United States where he wrote those golden tablets or something like that?

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Yeah, it was it was essentially it was something like that. I I I haven't read a lot of Mormonism in like a long time. So I'm kind of rusty on it, but their their core belief is that like in the 1800s he found the tablets in a cave.

SPEAKER_03 9:46

Right, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:47

I don't know if they were in a were they in a cave?

SPEAKER_01 9:50

I think there's several stories. He said, well, at first he said he found them in the dirt, right? And then another time he said they're in a cave.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

Right. Yeah. Okay, so he was kind of spitballing. Yeah. Yeah, so it's gets me right open, skid. You know? Yeah. Yeah, because they tried to they try to make God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit like three different gods instead of instead of one nature. They're all the same. Right.

SPEAKER_03 10:22

The same lesson trinity.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Right. Right. They don't believe in the the Trinity like we like us three do and what like Christians do. They they think that they're all separated. And huh. So like different deities. Uh you could say that. I mean, that's kind of I mean, I can try to give you a more precise answer. Uh it's kinda hard to explain.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

Yeah. I think a lot of shit's based on these eight percent tablets of the 1800s. Um Yeah, I I call bullshit on it. You know what I mean? I I don't I don't I don't I don't think it is what it is. I think it's no different than Scientology when the guy was a science fiction author and came up with all these fucking things and then made a hierarchy concept and sucked everyone in. And once you get in there, it's hard to get the fuck out. I know that much. Leo Ruhm Remy came out with all that shit. You know.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

Well, like I said, it's it's a little bit like I kinda they're I I'll disagree that they're a little bit different from s Scientology. I'd say they're a little bit better. Oh, sure. Sure. Scientology to me is just back to me fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

I'm just using an example. I yeah, I think that it's bringing people in.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Because at least at least it's like, you know, at least like the whole Mormon thing, they're like on the Bible. You know what I mean? So at least they have something like concrete to go back on. They just basically have science fiction novels like that they have to go back on. Created by like author that had no idea about the religion. It was created long after he died. Correct. L. Ron Hubbard, I think his name was. Oh, yeah. No, you're absolutely correct.

SPEAKER_03 12:38

It was L. Ron Hubbard. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Yeah, and everything. He didn't even create a religion. He just wrote sci-fi document. Right. Yeah. The fucking 60s.

SPEAKER_03 12:50

I know fucking fiction, dude. Just fake pictures. And then they got all these people to buy into it and the Hollywood Elite to fucking fund it with money, and they just took off, dude. I mean, yeah, man. If you're talking Hollywood Elite, you're talking Scientology.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Oh, yeah, I know, dude. It's crazy. Cause like, especially like uh, remember when we were talking about Lincoln Park? Yeah. Yeah. That shit makes me laugh every time I I think about it, dude. Like it I just giggle. Every time someone's like, I think Chester Bennington was murdered, I'm always like, yeah, Scientology. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 13:33

Well, well, there's some good proof that his dad was um he was that guy with the fucking glasses.

SPEAKER_04 13:40

Uh Tickson.

SPEAKER_03 13:42

Oh man, he was part of Hillary Clinton's team.

SPEAKER_04 13:47

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 13:49

Oh fuck, dude. It escapes me right now. But Dick Change. Um no no.

SPEAKER_04 13:57

That was bullish.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

Alright.

SPEAKER_04 13:59

I'll pick up it.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 14:02

Alright, alright, go ahead. I'll think of it. I'll it it'll anyway. It's fucking crazy because none of that shit seems to make any kind of difference. I mean it's just it's just fucking nuts. Like how dumb do you think do you think we are?

SPEAKER_04 14:25

Right.

SPEAKER_03 14:27

Chester Bennett and Chris Cornell were both on the track of fucking hunting down pedophiles because they were both molested as kids and they were good friends. Right. And I I've watched fucking videos on YouTube with both of them singing together on stage and Miss Buck is awesome. But they were diving into a place it was I think it was a place that Penn State Molester fucking Ten Mile Club or some shit. Anyway, they were going after them, and they supposedly both committed suicide. Even though they were rich, even though they were rich and sober, supposedly they both committed suicide.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

So they got to Now do you think Scientology like somewhat actively helps Hollywood cover that crazy shit up? Yes. Yes. Sometimes it seems like every time there's a uh actor or performer that gets caught up in like rape allegation or sexual abuse allegation, it it's always like they seem to be part of like that church crowd, and they always like that church always seems to like stand up in the court in their in their favor, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 15:49

Oh like that James Franco shit went away.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Yeah, well that's what I'm saying. Do you think that's a possibility?

SPEAKER_03 15:56

Yeah, of course. And I think that Masterson got fucked because he was kind of speaking out against Scientology, and they were fucking gonna teach him a lesson. And other fuckers in jail. They could have protected him, probably.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

But that's what I was saying, is that chick that uh that chick that's singing for Lincoln Park that replaced Chester Bennington basically. Yeah, she was she's part of Scientology, and she's if she started singing to for Lincoln Park, she stood up for Ch uh the Masterson.

SPEAKER_04 16:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Like trying to say that he didn't do it or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 16:46

Chris Cornell's daughter should be singing for Lincoln Park. What are we talking about? I mean she is a beautiful, so and she's a damn I hate hearing that I hate hearing that. Damn it, Lincoln Park. You're from our area, fellas.

SPEAKER_04 17:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:13

Hey.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

Hey, guess what? Lincoln Park or Yeah, Lincoln Park. The band. From like Bloggers area or something.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

Hmm. So Good Charlotte, they were from around here too. Yeah. You know, one of my uh older cousins actually went to high school and knew one of the guys from Good Charlotte.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. One guy's dating uh or married to uh the actress, right? Who? I don't know, somebody from that band. Good Charlotte? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

Oh Good Charlotte, yeah, it's definitely from Waldo. Right? Oh yeah. Is that right?

SPEAKER_01 18:01

Look up uh just basically like retired.

SPEAKER_03 18:06

Look up uh Lincoln Park, dude. I'm pretty sure they're from I looked at two part of the scene. Hey Sublime Sun just played Red Rock the other night. Yeah, bro, they're coming to Anna Rundle. I know, but oh, for real? Yeah, June 5th, bro. Oh, dude, the so the audio sucked. I watched it on YouTube. The audio sucked, but the visuals were tight. And I'm sure live it sounded better, but I couldn't I couldn't find a good version of the audio. Right. And it was Oh, you know why?

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Why? It's because it's because I bet you what they're doing right now, because their new album is coming out June 12th, so they probably don't want like high quality footage of their new songs. Oh I'm so wrong, uh folks.

SPEAKER_03 19:05

I'm sorry, about making parts. Find out high school friends, Mike Shinoda, Robert, and Brad Dustin originally made Zero, then struggled to gain traction with vocalist Mark Wakefield on his departure in 1999. Arizona Chester Bennington joined bringing a dynamic vocal style backing by the ICT in 1990. So I'm totally wrong about the news on my room. Sorry about that fucking fake news, folks. At least I corrected it. There you go. Have you guys have you guys ever heard of Wax? No. He's a rapper from Hold Off. Tiny shit. Tiny shit. Wax. W-A-O. When you get a chance, look it up.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

Yeah, he's he's dope. Kind of like uh like sublime hip hop rap style shit. And if you if you wanna go off on a tangent Sugar Sugarland production. It's live, live like reggae rap shit that they fucking display and course and it's it's hard to go.

SPEAKER_04 20:44

They on YouTube?

SPEAKER_03 20:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:46

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've I've uh I've heard of them. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 20:52

Yeah, they have a lot of good bands.

SPEAKER_04 20:54

Yeah, they do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Yeah, cuz I'm like Yeah, because I I mess with the the little reggae rap stuff. I love it. I love it. You know what I'm saying? It's not like my top it's not my top genre, but no, I'll I'll get down to it.

SPEAKER_03 21:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

I fucking love it.

SPEAKER_03 21:15

I ca I can't help but love it. It's fucking in my soul. So what I was thinking, you guys know about the tree of life, right? Tree of life. Right. Right. Where the where the roots are as deep as the tree. Right. You know what I mean? Um I also wanted to touch on here here's a good subject as a intention. So they did these intention experiments where they had plant A, B, C, D. Right? So everyone, even just Online would just think about plant A and send their intentions or their prayers you can call them to plant A and just concentrate on it. And plant A, ninety percent of the time grew bigger, better, and wider than everything. Because people had their prayers and their intentions on plant everything. Like these are real life experiments that they did and they proved that that plant always grew stronger, bigger, better than the rest. And it was because people's prayers were intentional. You know what I mean? Yeah, intensive. It called the intention experiments. So I wanted to bring that up.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Ah, that's cool. Yeah. Nah, man. That's real that's real interesting. Like what, I don't know, last week. About when people pray, let's just say they don't pray to Jesus. Yeah, let's just say. Or you know, or they just pray out into the world. They don't really have a God, they just pray out to the world. How that how that how the reaction reverb reverberates. Right. Like how does like how does the world react to it? How does your life does your life get worse? Does it get better? What like what happens? And we kind of had like a what hour or two conversation about it. It was pretty deep. Yeah. Well the part of it's a very it's real.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

It's real is what I yeah, uh book The Secret.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

Yeah, I don't I don't subscribe to that. I would breathe.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

I didn't subscribe to it either, but my parents read it and I read it after them. And it it uh it kind of was talking about the same thing. Like if you envision accomplishing something enough, you you'll eventually like that.

SPEAKER_03 24:16

I I do believe in that.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

Manifesting yeah, Jim Carrey talks about it all the time.

SPEAKER_03 24:22

I d I do what the whole is about. Yeah, I just see I just disagree with the documentary that I watch with Oprah or whatever, but I do agree with the fact that intention is real. Yeah. And if you intend something, if you imagine something, right, and you manifest it into the universe, it's probably gonna happen. It's probably gonna come true. I mean, look at any of the artists that you listen to, or any of the famous actors or whatever, I mean com comedians, you know, they had intention. They had a thought behind what they were doing, and they were not gonna let something take that away. They uh Yeah, so I I agree a hundred percent with what you're saying, because yeah, it's a it's a it's important, man. I mean, you know. You can you could do you could watch the world flow by or you could flow the world by. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. I I think it's I think it's very important. I mean, it all starts in your mind. Oh, definitely. You know. And it's very with it.

SPEAKER_04 25:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 25:43

Go ahead. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

Well, no I was no, I was I was just gonna say it's a lot easier to have that that spiritualness, you know, to you 'cause that's what I think it is, is like I think s in like I think in the end it's definitely like a spiritual mindset. If you want to manif something that manifest is such a spiritual word, I you know you're trying to make something out of nothing. But you know what I'm kind of like a rough definition of it. But no, there's some there's definitely something spiritual behind it and it's just the the manifest in it. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And the I would I would say I would I I would like to add on as well because of um Sure. I I think it's definitely it's definitely interesting, and we you know we've talked about it before of it. How do I explain this? Kind of like different let's say different people from different backgrounds and everything. You know, for me as a like as a Christian is I want to make sure that if I have a if I want to manifest something or or I want to I want something to happen, I always like an accomplishment, I always try to pray to God and be like, look, if this is the right thing for me, you know, get you know you know, give me that tap on the shoulder, you know, you know, metaphorically. You know. And I know you know everybody everybody's got their own thing. You know, I was just sharing from my experience on what if I need to accomplish something, you know, the faith is a good basis for it. You know.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

That's what I was gonna add. That that's that's all I was trying to say before. Like even the books that were written before the time of Jesus, I think, were just trying to lead people in the right direction and to the path of being good and not being evil, you know. And whether or not, you know, they're all legit and not that could be debated forever, but yeah, I think they were I I think they were just words that were written that were trying to lead people in the night of that. More of them. And um to be a to be a better human, man, I mean, it takes fucking work. Like you know. Yeah, it does. You could it does. And you gotta work on yourself. You gotta cry, you gotta clean your room. Right, right. Yeah. That's all that's all it's got.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Yo, y'all wanna hear some crazy stuff? I would. Dude, alright, now, okay. Now both of y'all both of y'all that y'all were both raised in a Catholic household, right? Yes, sir. Yes. Okay. Look, I wasn't, and you y'all know that, okay? But but what I like to do every now and then is I like I like to kind of I kind of like to do research and study on like, you know, church fathers and all that stuff and and and and what their work was about and stuff like that. And and I noticed something within the Catholic Church that I have a lot of like questions about. Alright. And I wanna I wanna see if because I know I know you, Chris, you went to the private school for years, and I kinda want I kind of wanted to ask a few questions about it. But I'm gonna give I'm gonna give y'all what I learned earlier for the pat or for the past few days. So essentially, in for in 1442, okay, there uh the Vatican published basically like a memoir of like or a bunch of documents about that you cannot be saved unless it's within the Catholic Church. Does it matter? Does it matter if you if you confessed your sins onto Jesus or if you were Orthodox or if you went with Luther? It it didn't matter. They wrote an or they wrote a piece on that you had to be within the Catholic Church and take the holy Catholic the Holy Roman Communion. That's what it was put. Okay. So that was in 1442. So we get to nineteen sixty two, okay, get to nineteen sixty-two, and Pope John, Pope John the Sixth, I believe, maybe, he wrote Vatican II, which Vatican II was all about how the Catholic Church now accepts other faiths into this religion of Christianity. So an example is what they gave. The example was if a Muslim person holds the faith of Abraham, then God will have mercy on them and accept them in the head. But that clearly that clearly contradicts the piece that they did from 1442. So when so my I my question is do do y'all know about that and how how do y'all how did the church itself kind of come to that conclusion? Basically.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

Dude, y you said that was the Vatican?

SPEAKER_00 32:06

Yes. It's the Roman, yeah, the Roman Catholic Yeah, the Vatican.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

To be honest, I I feel like, for one thing, I feel like that whole stunt is strictly political because of what what's been going on in like the UK and Britain and stuff like that. So like I personally feel like it's strictly political. Like the reason why they said that I personally don't think my the church I go to or the one they went to, like Hart Lady, I don't think that I don't think they subscribed to that at all because yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

I don't I know I know I I would say one thing and I would say one of the coolest things about going to R you start to see was they taught us to question everything. Like it was not a problem that I I was I was a young man and in eighth grade and had all these questions. And I uh even I would question the faith, and they had no problem with that. They were like, you should, you should, but you just gotta have faith. And they they would not discourage us from um exploring our inner thoughts as far as anything went. Like they were like free speech all the way, like uh the the churches that found in America. It wasn't like shut this down, shut this boy down. You got questions, shut up. No, it was like it's good. We should have questions. So Chris here's what here's what we believe. And they would explain it. Okay. Yeah, I always appreciated that.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Alright, so I have a I have a question I have a question then. Because within my within my research So what you're when you went to the pri the you know Catholic school, was that during the eighties or the nineties?

SPEAKER_03 34:15

Or is it both? That was eighties, uh late eighties, yeah. I graduated high school in 94. Okay. So subtract four years. Uh I went uh first grade through eight fourth. Gotcha, okay. Cool.

SPEAKER_00 34:32

Um, so to kind of sum up my my question here is when I was doing when I was doing research for the the 1442 and the 1962, the Vatican pieces, the Vatican, you can actually go to Vatican.ba and it's actually published on there in 19 I found an article from 1977 on how uh they you know, okay. I before I talk about the article, Chris, can I ask you a question on about the specifics? Alright. There's a this I have a very specific question, and this really this will really answer this whole thing. Did did the nuns so you had nuns the teachers, right? Or was there priests as well?

SPEAKER_03 35:27

Yes, yes, sir. I had nuns, and then the priest was I was an ultra board. Okay, gotcha. So okay. So yeah, but so the priest didn't teach. Right. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:38

The nuns didn't teach. Okay. Yeah. Now now I know I know it was a it was a little while ago, but did the nuns teach you guys about like how to how to make a disciple out of like the faith? Did they teach you on how to like be like, hey, this is Jesus Christ, your Lord and Savior. You know, I want to talk to you about it, da-da-da. Did they did they give you any type of curriculum on that? No. Can I tell you why? I was confirmed, too.

SPEAKER_03 36:15

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. So Yeah, you can tell me why. Sure. All right. I'm open to everything, brother. Listen, so it's funny. Because I no I have no blinders on. Ever.

SPEAKER_00 36:29

Okay. All right. That's that's me. No, I hear you. Oh, I know that. So I saw found this article from 1977 on the Vatican, and it it it said that since Vatican II, 1962, and later, so they were going to adopt this policy within like the late 70s to the 80s and through the 90s.

SPEAKER_03 36:53

Who's gonna adopt it?

SPEAKER_00 36:55

Uh the Catholic Church that does yeah. Yeah, okay. So they basically sent a mass letter out to the Catholic school boards, essentially, all across the world. And so in America, there was it's called the it's called the Baltimore, it's called the Baltimore Catechism, which was the Christian private school from 19 or from like the start of our country, maybe even before that, all the way up to uh like the 1960s, 1970s, they removed it. So Baltimore Catechism, the number one thing that they teach their students is to make disciples out of people. So if somebody, so they would teach people to, if they ran into a non-Christian, doesn't matter if any religion or if they're atheists, that they would try a hundred and ten percent on trying to get them to learn about Jesus and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior without like pressuring them, without any type of violence or anything.

SPEAKER_03 38:08

Like there was this memo like the Latter-day Saints.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

Right, but there was this memo in 1977 coming from the Pope saying we can't do that anymore. We have to accept the guidelines of the world, and that's what I think caused a shift in because if you look at it, Catholics are typically more not not around where we live. I don't think so, at least, but but Catholics now tend to lean towards more to the left wing of politics because since like the 80s, since like the 70s and 80s, they've had this big interest in accepting people that were, you know, gay, that were illegal immigrants, that were, you know, not of the faith. And when I mean by accepting, I meant as in they would accept them so much into their communities that they wouldn't even they wouldn't even try to tell people about Jesus because they wanted American communities so diverse, and it all started with what the Pope said at the Vatican. And I think that's what led this country into this like this like weird leftist spiral, essentially. And then eventually eventually it turned into these Catholic people, these Catholic kids, and when they grow up, they weren't they weren't raised on that old school make a disciple because that's what Jesus taught you to do. They taught it more of like a universalism, like a like a pluralism.

SPEAKER_03 39:54

Well, I I would say in response to that, I would say that America has a mask on it. Like it's it's totally masked. Like we were based on a Christian nation, and it was perversed into the bullshit that we're into now. By by being yeah, by being all accepting. It is and it has perversed the very thing that we were founded by we're founded on good Christian values, good Christian ideas. And then somewhere along the way we we diverse and allowed the evils to creep into it, you know, and and not not be Christian-based the way that we were when we found the nation. And and from then it's a fucking chit show too. I mean, you know.

SPEAKER_00 41:00

Yeah, yeah, that's what and and because when the if you look up like the top the top NGOs of America have, you know, take in, like, let's say take in illegal immigrants and illegal children and all of that stuff, it's typically either the Catholic churches or the Lutheran churches. Maryland has a bunch of Catholic and Lutheran churches that have like signed up for it. And like, don't get me wrong, like they're human beings. I completely understand that, but we have borders for a reason. You know, in the Bible, there's borders, you know.

SPEAKER_03 41:45

Listen, listen, what I would tell people too is this you should know this. DC, before it was Boston, DC, or Columbia, which Columbia is the uh Hindu god of destruction, by the way.

unknown 42:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

Um originally it was Rome Rome, Maryland, right? Rome, Maryland. That was the name of it.

SPEAKER_04 42:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

That land that land was donated by a cardinal Roman Catholic Church, okay and okay. Rome, Maryland was said to be DC, and it was to exist in between the Virgin and Mary. Yeah. Or in between Virginia and Maryland. Right. Great following. Yeah. So now a lot of people don't know the history. They don't know the history, they don't know that. They don't know that. And that is fucking cute. Like, put the pieces together. Put the ships together. It was Rome Maryland was to be the new Rome. So the Roman Empire never really died. It existed in DC and the District of Columbia. And there's three stars on the fucking flag of DC. And do you know what those three stars stand for? They stand for Washington, DC, the Vatican, and Fox King, Britain. Britain. So, so Britain goes all the banking all the banking goes to Britain. So if you're a par, you're from the bar. You from the bar. If you're a member uh I I just has a question. Let me finish let me finish my thought real quick. Please, please. Alright, so and DC Does all the military. That's why we have military bases all over the country. Okay? So so the British owns the banking. DC owns the military. And the third one is guess what?

SPEAKER_04 44:21

The Vatican.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

The Vatican. And they hold all the original contracts. So I'm done. That's it. I just lied. Cause your question.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

You're talking about after Britain basically kicked France out of the states, right? When the country was brand new.

SPEAKER_03 44:46

Yeah, I'm basically talking there's three individual city states that is this.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

And it's Washington, DC, London, and I I'm saying it was before it was a country though, right? When it was first established like that, because w they originally Britain kicked all of France out of here. Right. Yeah. That's all it was.

SPEAKER_03 45:12

But then they then they came back. Then they came back to contract. It was Spain, then French, then Spain. Yeah. That was basically Florida before any of the colonies were established.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

Yeah, it's interesting because uh the because I went on a a DC like tour thing and the lady basically said that when they asked George Washington, you know, where the what's it like what because they basically gave him a map said, look, we want it was I think it was supposed to be a square, I believe. Or like a s yeah, I think it was supposed to be like a square or a rectangle or whatever. And they went up to George Washington and they were like, Alright, well we want to make this the capital of our country, you know, the colony stuff. And then he like took the apparently he took like the paper and then he like put it on an angle and he was just like, Yeah, nope. Because now it's kind of like a kind of like a diamond, kind of. Or like a uh it's like a yeah, like a Pentagon, essentially. Yeah. That's where yeah, he can't he just like tilted it a little bit. He was like, Nope, that's where I want the plots to be.

SPEAKER_03 46:31

And uh he was in Premasons.

SPEAKER_00 46:34

That's not a good thing. All of them, yeah, all of them were. Yeah. Every single one of them. I I can't find a person yet that didn't have any type of ties, which was more common than than I, you know, than I actually Freemasons were as some smart motherfuckers, dude.

SPEAKER_03 46:52

They get about a flag, dude, but I mean we had them that anchors, really.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

They were kind of like our original like American A. Uh American. Oh well, yeah, I yeah, we're I would uh I would go that part. Right. Yeah, yeah, they set yeah, they set the entire foundation. Yeah. And I mean they still do. You know, they still do. It's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 47:21

We we gotta give credit their credits to nowhere around the world. Nowhere around the world has it existed the way it's existed here in America.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

Now, now some may argue. I I no no no no. I'm agreeing with you, but some would argue was it out of the name of Jesus and God or was it out of Satan? Hey, you never know with the 33 degrees, dude. They do some uh shady stuff.

SPEAKER_03 47:52

Competition. Oh yeah, but I at the highest level. Yeah. I'm just saying in general, uh though I think it was I don't think it was like that. I think it was no, I th I think they really did believe in freedom of religion and freedom of speech and freedom of uh old your own old arms. I I see the two. The first and second amendment, that wasn't by accident. Right. No, I'm not saying it was.

SPEAKER_00 48:30

No, I get it. I think I think I think our constant is a little like I think it got a little lib like lib-tarded by like the 1900s. I don't but they're all gonna get you know what I'm saying. They're all gonna get sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

Definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because everything gets reversed over a certain period of time. Yeah. And right uh, you know, the original stakes of what was placed is not you know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

But I think it's it I think people try to recognize it. Right. And I think people get away with it too. Like I think I think it's been used as like a political weapon to a degree. And like I feel like some mo a lot of people have been like so desensitized to it that they let politicians get away with. Right.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

Yeah. Two wings are the same bird. I mean poly means many. And I think is something that sucks love.

SPEAKER_04 49:44

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:45

So sucking many times over. Like you know, I it is what it is, man. The devil's in the deep today. Right, yes.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

You know, and um priest at church today, yeah, he was talking about fasting, you know what I mean? And when it got into like the um actual act of not eating, and he was like, you know, and it doesn't like he was like, it and if it if it's really that difficult, you know, I think he was talking about how like you know, sometimes when you think of fasting, it doesn't have to be eating. But like we consider fasting truly healthy spiritually is like unplugging.

SPEAKER_03 50:39

I could not agree more.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

I could not agree more because he and I thought it was really interesting because he did say he was like, because when it comes to that stuff, you know, the devil is in the details with uh AI. And then he even went into politics for for a second. Like I don't want to get like the deep, like into deep in politics and in the church, but you know, the division between Republicans and Democrats nowadays is something like he's never seen before. Right, like horrifying. Yeah. And that's what he was saying was like, you know, uh the because you know, you see people talk about like a Republican or a Democrat talking about Republican or Republican talking about Democrat. It's like, you know, you'll see the people devolve into straight hatred.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Oh yeah. You may think that the game of game of thrones when they're right, winter's coming. Winter's coming.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

You know, I feel like w you know, sometimes I'll back about like the uh the book uh ice and fire. In some times I feel like it will for like War of the R new Lord of the Ring for this deal.

SPEAKER_03 52:22

I think about the same until um you know it's Yeah, well I I I I have great hopes that people are coming back to Annables and they're coming back to things that actually matter and you know I I don't think it's a dying breed. I think it's uh I think it's an acceleration of of our thought. And and like I said, like I said on the last episode, you know, somebody like Dylan, who's 22 years old, has learned the thing it took me 20 years to learn in fucking a year. Yeah. So I I li I like that. I like that. I enjoy that. I think that's a good step for getting back to the old days and and back to Yes. You know, I mean, listen, I've always been an innovator, I've always been a thinker, I've always been a sheep thinker. I've uh so I like that. I like that aspect of it. I I want somebody to fucking learn something that took me 20 years to learn in a year. They can learn it a year. Good, good. Let's go. Let's go. Right. Golden Age, back to the golden age. You know?

SPEAKER_01 53:50

Yeah, that's a big thing between someone that like tries to retain and learn information and someone that just assumes.

SPEAKER_03 54:01

Oh, but there always has been there always has been consumers that use it.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

The only thing like with the internet, it can be it's like a double-edged sword.

SPEAKER_03 54:14

Oh, for sure. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. But the only the only thing they call users are drug addicts and people who are users on the internet. So things they call you. Interesting. So they're addicts, basically. Are you an addict? Are you gonna use the tool or that the tool use you? It's a it's a very useful tool. Fuck. Like I said. Like I said, don't you can learn shit a year that it took me 20 years to learn about. I I'll openly admit that. But are you gonna use the tool or that the tool use you? Right. That's the point. That's the point. I think something.