They Wish You Were Born In Minnesota Episode 20: Revolutionary War!

Chris, Chris, and Dylan dive into the revolutionary war and what led up to it for the freedom of this great nation. We go in depth about battles, Declaration of Independence, and George Washington’s early days as a general. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:21

All right, everyone, welcome back to another episode of They Was True Born in Minnesota. Today, today is very exciting. Yeah. We're going to be talking about the birth of our nation, the Revolutionary War, and the buildup to and the actual Civil War that took place. So it's going to be a good one. Bam.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Alright. Absolutely. 100%. So from basically 1775, the original 13 American colonies break from British rule to form the United States. Driven by resistance to taxation without representation. The key events obviously included the Boston Tea Party, Battles of Lexin and Concord, and 1776, the Declaration of Independence. And I don't know if people realize this, but the war actually lasted seven years. So you can It didn't end until like 1783, right? Correct, correct. The Treaty of Paris.

SPEAKER_02 1:24

Yeah, the Treaty of Paris, yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

Yeah, yeah. So uh I I didn't even realize that until I started researching. I was like, holy shit, seven fucking years, like after 1776. They were still fighting for four years after that. Or you know what uh actually more than whatever. Anyway, they were fighting for a while, even after the declaration.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

You know what's Yeah, well, I mean, because like one of the most famous things was in 1776 when they crossed the Del Delaware River. Delaware.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Yeah.

unknown 1:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

Wasn't Concord the shot her around the world with a British soldier? Uh yeah, it was either killed a citizen.

SPEAKER_04 2:10

That I think yeah, it's either Concord or Lexington, because it was in Massachusetts.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

I think it was Concord, I want to say, but that's just me flying by the seat of my face.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

It's an open-armed conflict in Lexington and Concord in Massachusetts. It was April 1775.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

Okay. Okay. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

That was like the very beginning of it because that was like people just randomly fighting the red coats and shit. Right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Because they were basically over here harassing our citizens, and we were like, oh yeah, wait, them motherfuckers live all the way across the pond. Right. Why do we even need them? Why are we sending them back? Why do we you know what there's law and order here, and we're establishing a country. We don't need British fucking rule by a king. Like, and you know, and and these were intelligent people. I mean, look at the words of the Declaration of Independence. These were these were not dumbasses that came over here from England and were like, oh, this is not our own country. Like they were literal.

SPEAKER_04 3:21

They fucking yeah, they were the top country of the world. They owned almost everything. Right. Right. No doubt.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Well, from the very beginning, when they first started like establishing colonies and stuff here, they were prone to send like the best and brightest of their field, you know what I mean? Like, because they it they there was already other countries here on top of like the Native Americans, and it was just kind of like chaos. So when you were when they were sending people here to establish colonies and to take land and stuff, they wanted to make sure that they were the best and brightest in their field, you know. Like because it was a harsh, you know, we're talking harsh times too. Like for the probability of them being able to survive the trip and you know, to get acclimated in the new place, it's kind of work in their favor, you know.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Yeah, and there were savage humans living here that would chop your fucking head off. I mean, everyone tries to everyone tries to.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

I'm not saying Native Americans, I was just kind of them all together, like, you know, because I'm not too hip on certain tribes and which ones were more of more of a stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

I'm just saying in general, yeah, the the land, the technology, the people that were already established here, like this was uh fucking the wild west, but in the east. Right. Right with the colonies, you know.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

Well they didn't really know about the wild west yet. Like they you know, they didn't start I'm just comparing the far west.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

I'm saying the original Wild West was in the East, basically, when the colonies were being established and shit, you know.

SPEAKER_00 5:19

Yeah. Well, it was kind of lawless.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Right.

SPEAKER_04 5:23

Exactly. That's why we didn't we s we like we settled here. We didn't take over anything because there was no establishment of authority or anything. So the whole lib-tarted, we stole this land. No, there was no land to steal. There was you know, there was no establishment of law. There was just tribes.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Right. And they were battling with each other, too. They were oh yeah. It wasn't like there was a peace treaty between all the Indian tribes and they all got a wrong. Every everything was fucking cake and gravy, like, no. Right. So do you think do you think the British saw this coming at all? Or was this like a fucking just shot? Like, really? You just you just signed this document basically saying fuck up fuck off.

SPEAKER_04 6:16

Like if if you go if you go back like twenty years, that's when the French and Indian War started. And that is where I think the collapse of the British government or the British takeover of or that stronghold they had over the colonies kind of started to cripple.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Because Yeah, do you think they were stressed too thin throughout throughout the world?

SPEAKER_04 6:42

I think what the French did yeah, yes. And I think what the French did is they capitalized on that because they were able to they owned they owned with they owned the west of the Ohio River and a little bit north. Same with the nate the uh Native Americans, they kind of were allies. So French was like, screw this, we want forts going across the Ohio River Valley. Well, the king was like, oh hell no.

SPEAKER_02 7:15

Well St.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Augustine, Florida is very interesting because originally the Spanish held that land, and it was the French, then it was given back to the Spanish, and that city was established way before the Declaration of Independence. This is like 1693 or something. I mean, no one claimed that it was it was very early on. That they were definitely they were conquering land in the Mediterranean and they were arguing over it, basically, because the Spanish and the French were also very powerful. Besides the British.

SPEAKER_04 7:53

Yes, yes, they were. I think I think what happened was the Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Well, I was just gonna say, you know, because the French support was was a real big asset to the Revolutionary War.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

Right. Oh, if if we didn't have the French Navy in the Revolutionary War, that shit wouldn't have happened. I mean I I would say I I don't think I don't think we would have won, let's put it that way. We really needed the the naval support because the British were world-renowned for having our best greatest navy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:33

I think Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson for that. Ben Franklin, Ben Franklin was the one that went over there as a diplomat and was like, look, can't be.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Started gathering militia, right? Yeah. Local militias.

unknown 9:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:12

Local militias won that fucking war. He would literally Washington would command the each general to be like, all right, look, we don't have that much people, but or right now, but I want you to go door to door and plead our case and see if they can come out with us. That's what they did, especially at Lexton and Concord. They had a pool pe they didn't have to like, you know, pull people out of their houses, literally. But no, they had to be salesmen, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Oh, and these these motherfuckers were if they were solid traders, they were burning down American homes. And that's what really got the that's what really got people ready to fucking fight. Yeah. You want to fight the dot one. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 9:58

I mean in the uh in the southern states, in the southern states, they were more towards the British side because of trade and everything, but the north the north part of America the colonies, they would literally go down there. Massachusetts. Oh yeah. Uh yeah. New England. New England. No, they would they would go down there as almost like war missionaries. And if they if there was like pro British colonists there, they would humiliate them in front of the entire town. Until they were like, dude, what are you all not understanding? You know, we have to win this war. Like, not just for us, but for our future generations. And he, you know, eventually they were you know right, and eventually they were they were able to get together, but it took a lot. It took years of from uh because see the thing is with George Washington is, and I don't think a lot of people realize this, but he was the head general of Virginia at twenty-three years old in 1755.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Dude, supposedly he wasn't even our first president. Do you know anything about that? Um I don't know. Look that up, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:22

I think there was I think I think we had like leaders. I think we had Oh, for sure, for sure. Because the word the word president in like as we know it didn't get established until George Washington.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

Right, so there maybe there was come commander-in-chiefs before.

SPEAKER_04 11:40

Yeah, pr president back then meant it was a humble term meaning like a servant or a a leader of a specific club or a specific building. And then uh so because fast forward 1789, George Washington, he wanted to retire and just be like, alright, well, we won the war, whatever. You know, I kind of want to just pass the torch off. No, they were like, no, you gotta be a king.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Yeah, they wanted to make something and he's that's it.

SPEAKER_04 12:12

Right. Yeah, and then that's when he was like, Well, alright, what about a presidency then? Because that was the most humble leader position in you know in England, or in the in the new, you know, the new world essentially.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

Right, but in the English manner.

SPEAKER_04 12:33

Right, in the English manner, that's what I meant.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

I also think it had a lot to do with the fact that George Washington was for and first and foremost a general.

SPEAKER_02 12:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

For a military. And I think that was your biggest like if he was like, all right, if we're gonna have someone like the top of the chain like that, like you were saying, like a monarchy or whatever like that, then they the only control they should have over would be the military. Right construct the command. Because like uh originally their big thing was the pursuit of like, you know, to live life and pursuit of happiness.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

It's written right in the document, like the pursuit of happiness. Like, yeah. You know, you can't just tax us into the dirt, like, no, guess what? We're standing on solid ground. This is God's land.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Yeah, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

And it was so Chris it was so Christian back then, like I I don't know, it was something about it. They were just like, you know, it it's time for us to break away, it's time for us to start a new society, a new world. Right. You know. Fuck their shit over there. Yeah, that monarchy bullshit. We're done with that. We're moving in a new direction. And they were all eloquent, intelligent. And they just weren't having none of it, man. I mean and God bless them. Yeah. God bless them.

SPEAKER_04 14:10

Yeah, yeah, for real. Cause what what ended up happening is like the the top colonists after as soon as that French and Indian War ended, so it was it's considered the seven-year war as well. It uh which is actually some historians think that it was actually the first world war just because of the amounts of countries.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

The France, the Spanish, the British, the New American Russia. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:40

The the Indian Russia. Oh yeah. You there there was there was countries from five different continents fighting each other.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

So you know all on our all on our our land, right?

SPEAKER_04 14:55

Basically. Some yeah, some from the north, yeah, some came to the south. Uh some were actually fought like within like Austria and I think Hungary fought like on their land to get to the yeah, there was a few interesting things going on, but there there was a lot of like rivalry stuff happening. And the I think the outcome of it was Washington and the leaders at the time realized that Britain is actually not as powerful as the world thought, and that they had a weakness. And from the end of the French and Indian War, I think they got together, you know, in those local pubs and everything, and were like, let Britain try to do something to us. See what happens. I think we have the I think we have a game plan. And that's exactly what happened.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

There was like we talked about, there was intelligent people over here that started innovating things, like as far as ships go, as far as defense goes, as far as their star faces go, and and and they really found a way to resist this force that was just trying to fucking, you know, push your taxes down through. They were like, no, we're not having that. We're gonna start our own shit over here. Come get us. Yeah. Come get us. Yep. You know, it's just like the Virginia tag thing with the uh snake. Oh, right, right, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Come and take it. Come and take it.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Yeah. I I think if we're dealing with like a real big cultural shift here, too. Because you know, everyone, like I think it's kind of funny when you think of it in really simple terms, like, you know, Brit Britain was all, you know, happy campers when they could put like a uh this this country, this continent belongs to so-and-so sticker right on it, you know what I mean? But when it comes to actually funding what's going on over there and helping them out personally, they didn't want anything to do with it. Right. You know what I mean? So eventually you had this cultural upheaval with the taxes and everything, because like I said, they they all want a paycheck and a piece of the pie because you know their name is on it, but yeah, when it comes down to like actual ownership, they don't want to put any money back towards it. They always want it to just come one way. Yeah, you know, it never works that way. You know what I mean? Like the people are gonna want more, and especially like Chris was saying, when they started to innovate and push things to a different level, you know, it's just when when Britain didn't want anything to do with it unless they were starting to make profit, you're gonna get angry. It's like almost like working for free, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 18:03

And how how many resources were they willing to throw at the problem? Right. The problem. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's that's what I think. Yeah, yeah, it was a rebellion, man. People were like, well, fuck this. You know, coming out.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

But I'm saying even before the rebellion started happening, you had like this this upheaval of you know just not being happy, because like I said, at the end of the day, some of these people felt like they were working for free. You know, they weren't getting their their feet.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Yeah, because the the the classes, yeah. It's almost like the classes in India. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Because you know what? That's there. That was that was British, Britain's biggest downfall, I think, was the class system. And as long as they were out of sight, out of mind, and just paying them money, everything was fine until, you know, it it stopped and that whole upheaval started to happen. Right then there was a problem. Then there had to be a war. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 19:06

Well as a good Well, all all they had to do was comply with the Magna Carta. They've been doing it for 150 years. That's all they had to do was comply. And as soon as as soon as this the these small little wars started to become more and more, and then it got expensive, like you were saying, Chris, Britain wanted nothing to do with the money expense, the expense about it. They wanted they wanted a hundred and forty million pounds from the colonists.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

This is back, I would also have to mention this was back when the pound was the world currency. Yeah. Which is British British currency. This isn't that needs to be mentioned.

SPEAKER_04 20:00

Yeah, it uh yeah, good point. And what I don't what I'm not like understanding is like, you know, the king from across the across the you know the ocean is all you know, just all like Well, I mean, since it was fought over there, maybe they they should be the ones paying for it. It's like, are you serious? What what sense does that even make at all? Right, right. It's your it's your military. It's your right. It's it's it's it's your people, you know. Communists were like, nah, dude, what the heck? So I think I think it it it started from the the break off of that Magna Carta peace treaty or that peace deal and then you know hunt you know hundreds of years beforehand and then they weren't respecting their own they weren't respecting their own law.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

Like the Magna Carta that that fucking king was held at fucking knife's edge. Right. Yeah. Getting ready to be fucking killed before the Magna Carta was signed. I mean, citizens rose up and held a fucking knife to his throat and said, You sign this motherfucker, or we're gonna kill you. Basically. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:16

You know what's you know what it's interesting because when Ben Franklin was getting weapons and stuff from from France, the king, the king kind of uh kind of made like it I will consider it like foreshadowing, essentially, of you know, handing out weapons, giving, you know, uniforms and stuff like that to a country that is trying to take over land scratch.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:44

And like what was it what was it like within a hundred years or something like that, they ended up killing a king in France and then they replaced with it with uh democracy? I just felt the irony when I was a little bit of a big thing. Sunday, buddy Sunday, I believe.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

Yeah. Yeah, the French Revolution. The fucking whatever U2 song Sunday Bloody Sunday, I think was talking about that. I I'm not sure, I think so. But yeah. Yeah, it's just crazy, man, when you think about it and how one little island country was colonizing and taking over the world, basically. And it took America to stand up and say, nah, we're not we're not playing by your rules no more. We're done with your taxes, we're done with bullshit. Yeah. Come come and take it. Come and take it, motherfucker. And and if you look at the Revolutionary War, there were a lot of tactics that were used that were frowned upon in Britain. Like they would basically line up in fields and they'd be thousands of soldiers and they would march towards each other. Right. Yeah. Well, we said we're not playing that game no more either.

SPEAKER_04 23:01

Yeah, they started doing guerrilla warfare.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Yeah, you sleep down in your tent at night, we're gonna fucking we're gonna go slaughter your troops. Right. And you know that people don't just realize that. Like we had to go savage to have something better. Like and I believe in that a hundred percent. I mean, that's why I'm American.

SPEAKER_04 23:24

That that's there's a there was a specific tactic that the British did during that war, and it was uh America, we the colonists ended up figuring out how to do it or how to uh counter it, but they they whooped us on the part of they would send two armies in, and while they maintained the the left army, the right army would go around them. And they wouldn't the soldiers, you know, our soldiers.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Yeah, oh what's the term? What's the term?

SPEAKER_04 23:58

It's a flanking. It's a flanking. Thank you. And and it took it took a while. Like it took several years for the military to because uh what a lot of these generals would do is they would they would go into battle with their men, they would pull out, and then they would all go meet in uh Philadelphia. Or or whatever local you know military spot they had, and they would all get together, you know, real military planning.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

Reconvene reconvene and figure out what they're gonna do next and where the map's at, where the armies are at. Yeah. Right. And you gotta out outplank your enemy.

SPEAKER_04 24:39

Exactly. And finally they were able to uh they were able to figure out that they had to send out it's kind of set it's kind of simple, you know, looking, you know, looking at it, but you just draw back certain sections of your brigade, essentially, and you put them into different zoning positions, and you basically create like a like a wall, like a circular wall of just troops, essentially. That are spaced out.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

It was frowned upon to even kill a colonel. Like even if you had a shot, like it was frowned upon.

SPEAKER_04 25:20

Oh. Dude, that rem that reminds me way back then. That reminded that reminds me. Alright, this is something kind of interesting, okay? So during the French and Indian War, they George Washington was the leader of Virginia for their military, and it was a very small military. It was in between 300 people, sometimes up to maybe a thousand. But uh like I said earlier, he was twenty-three years old, and they gave him this title. So him and the the war broke out, and he's 23. That's what I'm saying. What to do? Yes. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

He's one year older than you. Right.

SPEAKER_04 26:08

And so about a year into this war, they had to send it was Washington and his 300 troops, and they had to go west out to this specific fort, and they ended up getting pretty they got ambushed by a bunch of Native Americans and some French people. And so Washington, he did the right thing and he surrendered. So nobody had to uh really die a whole lot. And so what the f so alright, because this is the first time hearing that Washington surrendered a battle.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

But so this is what year?

SPEAKER_04 26:45

This is this is 1750, this is 1754. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Way before the decoration.

SPEAKER_04 26:53

Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

Alright.

SPEAKER_04 26:56

So this is why Washington was Washington. This is why he was that leader because he was literally raised in this. And so basically, he didn't speak any French or he didn't read French. Okay, so when the French guys came up to him, he could like he didn't know what they were saying. All he knew was he knew how to surrender, and they knew that as well. So then when they started trying to talk to each other, one of their lieutenants, one of their colonels, ended up getting shot and he died. And one of whose whose French. He was a very high ranked. No, they were there to defend the uh To conquer. To conquer the Yeah, the uh the The Aboriginal. They they wanted uh the French and Indians, they wanted to they wanted to jump over top of a fort, essentially, and Washington and his men were at the bottom of that fort and they just couldn't hold up. The French were all around the uh mountaintops, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Oh right, so which just meant crazy meant uh Yes. Now when does Windows I think this is worth mentioning? Windows gunpowder and rifles and shit like that start coming into play, like uh this is way before that, right? Uh yeah. I wanna say that stuff was 1800s. Well, I'm pretty sure they had let's see. They had maybe some muskets that they had to reload or whatever. Stop the shit in there and then maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I'm asking.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

I so I know Okay Okay, so by around the in the 1600s they were able to make like makeshift guns, but the actual use of like high caliber weapons didn't really start until that French and Indian War.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

So it was more like smooth boar fear fighting or what? Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:23

How were they boar rot Smooth Boar muskets was the most common weapon. Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

It was used both sides, like it was the uh Yeah. Like when they first started like the when they first when when like Dylan said when George Washington started to fight and everything. That was the most common firearm used. Was a musket. Well, smoothborne muff muskets, they're a little bit faster, and they had like three to four shots a minute.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Right. They had to reload, they had to get reloaded.

SPEAKER_00 30:06

They still had regular muskets because the smoothborne joints were not as accurate.

SPEAKER_01 30:14

Got to go. They would just kind of hurdle fucking musket balls in the space or whatever. Hope it hits, right.

SPEAKER_03 30:28

What about the cannons? Yeah, I was about to say the use of cannons.

SPEAKER_04 30:33

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the use of cannons were in play. A lot of, you know, swords, bayonets, that was also into play. Yeah, that's like motherfuckers. Sure. Yeah. So they didn't, you know, they didn't have a they didn't have a good arsenal until like the Revolutionary War. All they could all the colonists could get is what British could give them, which, you know, were the the Prince was supplying a lot of that, right? The French for the militia. Yeah, they they they knew how to uh create guns. Like they they knew how to mass produce at a certain level.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

Yeah, because it started in China. Fuck it.

SPEAKER_04 31:15

Right, and then it yeah, gun gunpowder.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

Gunpowder. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying. So I uh the prince gets shit all the time, dude, but without their support, we would have a better country.

SPEAKER_04 31:29

I'll say that. Isn't that so interesting? How they kind of like uh they kind of flip-flop.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

How they dance on the prince? And they're big reasons. Is there a big reason we're uh superpower that we are?

SPEAKER_04 31:45

I will say, I will say, I will I'll I'll give them that, but I can't I won't give them both World War I or World War II.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Oh no. So they needed some help. It needed some help too, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_04 31:59

You were talking all that trash to Hitler, and then as soon as Hitler brought a tank through. They they let it go.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so since we're since we're looking right, I would like to bring this point up. Okay. DC, they abandoned their post. Not Baltimore. Baltimore stayed and thought. They let DC on fire, and they let that shit go. This was a British-American War, this is the war 1800s, but started speed up the timeline, but Baltimore did not fucking leave. They were like, come and get it, motherfucker, and they fucking defended their shit. Oh yeah. DC got on fire and they let it fucking go, dude. Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 32:55

Yeah, that and I it it's it's interesting. I can uh I I can definitely say that Maryland Maryland knew how to uh how to like how to fight in these wars. There's a lot of history, especially in the area we live, of just some of the most bloodiest wars and most gruesome battles. I'm sorry. Not you know, all war, but battles in general. We have some of the craziest stories here, you know, from that that Chesapeake Bay.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

I would I would like to say this real quick. I don't know if many people know this or not, but you should look it up. The original town, Washington, D.C., where the land exists today was Rome, Maryland. And it was to exist in between the Virgin Mary or in between Virginia and Maryland.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Maryland.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

And a Pope gave the fucking land to DC that is the smoke that we see today. So if you don't know that, look it up and check it out. It's pretty amazing. Yeah. And the Chesapeake Bay were waterways and natural natural trails that existed for their Aboriginal people, and most of the roads were built on those trails. So check any of that out, people. Yeah. The Chesapeake Bay is ancient, buddy. Yeah. It's fucking ancient. It really is.

SPEAKER_04 34:27

It's like you could I I I understand why people settled here, honestly. Right. Not only you you you have land, obviously, but then you also have the water that literally will give you anything that you need. Life. Life, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 34:47

Within five miles you got a beach somewhere. Right.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

Right. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Well, that's why Tobacco. Tobacco, exactly. Tobacco? Yeah. And how what is our flag? Fucking Calvert County? Tobacco, baby. Yeah, dude. I'm getting chills. Just talking about it.

SPEAKER_04 35:17

So Southern Maryland in general, dude, just like. Man. Man. Delicious. And they're trying to take it over. Underrated. Yes. I would say Southern Maryland very underrated. Yeah, yeah. But at the same time, we you know, we got our problems and issues and stuff, but everywhere else. Just like everywhere else. But the gist of it. The gist of it. What's more American than than staking your staking your land, having a family, growing your tobacco, growing your corn, you know, killing deer. What's more Southern Maryland than that? You know what I'm saying? You can crab and fish out of the bay that's right down the street. Fucking right. But it was.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

That's what it was because it still is. But it still is. Data centers need to go the fuck away. Fuck. We don't need your AI. We don't need your fucking bullshit. You're gonna kill our oyster population, our crab population. Like, fuck you, dude. Somebody. That's why I went to those meetings. Like I'm very passionate about it. I grew up here, man. Right. That's where I lived. This is where I fucking. I you just got me passionate about it. Thinking about our local land and what's getting ready to be taken over and the 5G towers that are going up all over the place. Data centers. We don't need no bullshit. Yeah, it correlates to our topic. Yes. For sure. For sure. For sure. Because if someone doesn't stand if someone doesn't stand up and say no, then there is no no. There's just all yes. Right.

SPEAKER_00 37:16

You feel me? Oh yeah. I think that's the most interesting thing about the Revolutionary War, when I think this deep into it, I often start to wonder if like if for instance, if George Washington and a lot of his boys, if they knew what the country would inevitably become, do you think they would regret what they did? You know what I mean? Because, you know, there's a lot of awkwardness too, you know, tearing families apart and stuff like that. Like you guys were saying, it's the savage savagery tends to take a hold in times of war, you know? And it's and it's not even like because it's proven, it's basically proven that, you know, George Washington had a tough time starting the, you know, doing the Revolutionary War, had a lot of second thoughts. You know what I mean? So like it often makes me wonder if he knew that it would inevitably become what they were fighting against, would they would would he go back and do it the same way? Or would he just be like, you know what, you you know, the more you try to fight against this kind of thing, the more it's just gonna creep back up because people in if you don't fight, you're in a fetal position.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

And that's what George Washington understood. I would say that.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

I yeah, but like I said, at the same time, I just I just wonder because you know, when you think about it, it's it's like are are we really that much different than the than the monarchy that we fought against in Britain? And we're gonna do it. Well, they're not well they're a lot easier now because you know, our federal government and everything is is our federal government to a degree.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

I know, I know. And now now they're above us and they're doing the same shit. Yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_04 39:36

It was supposed to be right, it was supposed to be for the people, by the people, not that's why the elected is supposed to answer to the people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

That's why leading us into the Civil War, I would say that the original constitution was to exist to allow the federal government to exist. Okay? Right. That's why it was written the way that it was. And as soon as colonies felt invaded, the 13 original colonies felt invaded, and they were like, man, fuck this shit. We're just going back to being original colony. Like, get out of here, federal government, suck a dick. And then they slowly started to fucking just take over. And that was one of the biggest problems that started the Civil War.

SPEAKER_04 40:30

Yeah. The it I think it started in like the 1850s, I'd say, with like the industrial system. Every time a project was trying to be built like a railroad system, the federal government, like, box in instead of the state. And I can see how the governors uh, you know, doesn't matter if it was from the north or the south, would be like, nah, let's uh let's back off, dude.

SPEAKER_01 41:01

Let's read what, you know, ninety ninety percent of the revenue was coming from South Carolina. Yeah. Yeah. From the from the cotton. And Carl made a good point that I really can't dispute. He said, why do you think that was? Because they have free labor. Right, right. The slaves. So, you know, I get that. It it it did kind of start over that. But you know, not to not to shift gears too quick, but I think it's important to note to note that 90% of the GDP was coming from South Carolina and from that state. And they wanted more taxes. They wanted more taxes, the federal government. And South Carolina was like, fuck you, we'll just decide. We're done. Our deal is over here. It doesn't work for us. See you later. So that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 41:59

I think it was I think we need a federal government to a degree. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you can't, you have to your nations have to be built under a certain set of laws. Like you to it to an extent, you can't let people just like do their own thing because hideous stuff tends to happen. It was a fucking battle every riches, is what it was.

SPEAKER_01 42:28

Yeah, yeah, Carl, I I yeah, I get your point.

SPEAKER_04 42:32

But I don't think the Constitution was I don't think that's what the fathers of the nation really had in place. Like, yes, a federal government as in where the president can preside and you know, da-da-da can preside. But then they wanted they wanted it to lead on if there was a specific vote or a specific law that may be passed in a state, they would just take it to the people. They wouldn't have the elected making those decisions, they would literally have the people doing it. And then over time, as the federal government started getting in more and more of the business, I think that's when the vote kind of just started going away and away.

SPEAKER_01 43:17

So the Constitution was a written law that allowed the government to even exist. So before that it didn't exist, okay? So we were ruled by the king and queen. Right. Correct, correct. So uh eventually we came up with the Constitution, which is a beautiful piece of literature. Right. I mean there's no doubt. I'm not arguing that. And then as it grows, it's like the snakey pale. So it constantly grows, constantly grows, constantly grows, and then it just uh evolves into what we are in today, which is oh oh, yeah. Chaos. Oh chaos. And too much. And like Yeah. I mean just just go across the bridge and look at any of the institutions that exist. Like it's just it's out of fucking control. It's out of control. And it it they will they will buy two hundred thousand computers at the end of the year and blow them on fire. Just so they can have a better budget next year. Like that kind of shit should not exist. It should not be, and everyone needs to know that. Like it's fucking bullshit. I mean, you know. Oh yeah, the govern the federal government's definitely gotten way too big for their bridges.

SPEAKER_04 44:45

Like, right, thank you. Thank you. I understand, I understand the formality of the federal government. Of course, president, you know, you know, you need you need specific elected people to to run specific things for a society, for you know, so n you know, but at the same time, we do have these individualized states that do have borders, you know. And we have our own state. Right. Each state has their own constitution. Each state has their own people, their own elected people. The problem that we got off from off the track was the vote, the the the there is no representation anymore. There is no like federal government's too big.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

Right. Right. So like I I cannot say it any more clearly than that. Yeah, too big.

SPEAKER_04 45:43

100%. 100%. Ronald, you know, Ronald Reagan what wanted it cut by a third? More. Two-thirds. You know? You know, uh it it is, it's it's too big. It's entirely too big. I think the federal government is literally for the if you you can have the you can have the executive, the judicial.

SPEAKER_01 46:07

Oh, Ronald Reagan. You know. The most one of the most intelligent things he ever said was the nine most feared words in the English language is I'm from the federal government, I'm here to help.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:20

Yeah. Okay. I yeah, I think I think the federal government. Right. I think they were I think they were assigned a specific task, and then they just went completely off the rails.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

Okay. Okay. And then we're getting into the Civil War, so can we talk about the inorganic act of Congress?

SPEAKER_02 46:42

Go go ahead. Well.

SPEAKER_04 46:49

Okay, good, good. I'll just bring yours up. Bring yours up first.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

Bring yours up first.

SPEAKER_04 46:53

All right. I have so this specific 1863. Okay. Right? So Am I right? That's my brain. Okay. Alright. So from the research I did, okay, there is a there is a specific act in of 1871, okay, but it it's it it's exact it's what you were kind of saying, as in the whole thing. It's just worded differently, okay? Okay, okay. So the one you're the one you're thinking about is what Lincoln did in 1963 and 1964, okay? Which he basically took the decentralized America and he made it centralized. So basically. So a corporation. So he made a corporation. From okay, from what from what legal scholars have been saying, it's not necessarily going from a non-corporation to a corporation. It's it's it's prioritizing specific treasury bonds in the federal government. So a state would have to go to the treasury to get their money, essentially. So, like, so this speeds up. So he did it in 63 and 64 to speed up the war process because he was spending millions and millions of dollars every day. And obviously that added up. So him and his people, he got the brightest financial people in America, and they all got together and they started creating these acts. But the one that you're talking about that really like pushed past that threshold. Let me it's in my notes. Give me one second.

SPEAKER_01 48:48

They they yeah, they basically made uh in organic Congress. I mean, it like hold on. They made a separate government. People realize that. And he was behind that. It was a separate government. It was not the same government we were founded on. That he made. So that Lincoln.

SPEAKER_04 49:16

Lincoln, so Lincoln didn't so Lincoln didn't create so what you're talking about, Lincoln didn't create that. He didn't really have anything to do with that.

SPEAKER_03 49:27

He didn't Lincoln was already dead. Lincoln was already dead.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

The inorganic act of 1863.

SPEAKER_04 49:35

There is no there is no inorganic act of 1960 or 1863. That's what I was telling you. There's a it's a different wording. It's called the uh Okay, so it's been for groups.

SPEAKER_01 49:46

Hold on. I'm telling you what I read 20 years ago, but that's fine. Hold on.

SPEAKER_04 49:52

I'm trying to I'm trying to give you the exact Look at that.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

They didn't they made a separate Congress that was not called Congress.

SPEAKER_04 50:00

1863 and 1864 saw the National Banking Acts of 1863 and 1864, which created a national currency, a system of national banks. The founders were opposed to that. They didn't like that.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

Correct. And you know who was behind it? The British bankers.

SPEAKER_04 50:21

Oh, yeah, I'm sure it was.

SPEAKER_01 50:23

The Bank of England. Yeah, I'm sure it was. Listen, I'm not telling you what I think. I'm not telling you what I know.

SPEAKER_04 50:30

So 18 in 1871, that act, that act, which so Lincoln was already dead. So he died in 65. So it was whoever took over, which I think was Grant. Oh, yeah. Real work of our act is simply the later legislative system of the centralized the centralization. But what it didn't do was necessarily split. It there's no but there's no there's no like evidence that we like split. That's what I was getting at. Is when you do research behind it, there is no evidence that so yes, we went from decentralization to centralization. 100%. That is true. He did it in 63, 64, and the U.S. government did it in 1871. And then that did lead to Jer uh to Jekyll Island in 1913. That is true.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

Federal Reserve? Do you want to talk about the Federal Reserve? Well, I'm saying I'm saying what the Rockefellers?

SPEAKER_04 51:41

But I'm saying what they passed in what they passed in 1871 did lead to what happened on Jekyll Island. You know?

SPEAKER_01 51:50

That's where the elite fucking gathered. Yeah. Rockefellers, Rothschilds, yeah. Right. That was all the that was all of the Bank of England. That was all the Bank of England. Yeah. And they did, basically, what they did say was this. Okay, we probably can't defeat America militarily. Right. We can defeat them with through a banking system. And bro, that's what fucking happened. That's what happened, and it's still alive today. Like, I think listen, the Vatican holds all the original receipts for all the original contracts. DC does all the fucking military. That's why we have bases all over the world. And the Bank of England does all the finance. Like, suck it, Israel. Like, you think you're something, you're nothing. Like, the Bank of England has been smart about holding their pieces close to their car. Like I'm I'm telling you what happened. I'm not asking.

SPEAKER_04 53:01

I think I think there's a I think I don't know if there's like a I think there's definitely a class separation. More than a more than like a Congress separation.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

Oh, there's three individual city-states in the world. There's three individual city-states in the world. There's the Vatican, Washington, D.C., and London. They have their own cops, their own rules, their own laws, their own this, that, and the other. And I'm telling you right now, fucking U.S. does the military enforcement, the Bank of London does all the banking, and the original contracts are kept in the Vatican. Okay? I can't be more clear than that. And if people want to object to it, it's fine.

SPEAKER_04 53:48

No, I definitely I definitely see it. I'm not arguing that.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

I I'm saying that I think there's a I kind of think that's why people hate Trump. Or the establishment, I guess you could say, the oligarchy. Why they hate Trump is he uh oligarchy, that's the problem. If he has any problems saying it. Like when it comes to like what Chris said, like basically the United States military is the world military.

SPEAKER_04 54:16

Yeah, the world police.

SPEAKER_00 54:18

I think that's why they hate Trump is because in so many words you can you can pull up a lot of his speeches, and you know, in so many words, he has no issue saying it. You know what I mean? That the rest of the world uses us as like a police force. Right.

SPEAKER_01 54:33

Yeah, and that's why it's bullshit. We're fucking paying all the bills, right? You know. And it's all fake money anyway. Like, you know, I could go downstairs on my printer and print a fucking bill.

SPEAKER_04 54:46

Right. But there's no there's no backup, you know, there's nothing to back up money anymore. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 54:54

Yeah, it's like the Mangolia thing or whatever. Like if you're pretty soon, it's happening now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

And that's why everyone's everyone's trying to get on They're trying to get on top of it too. Like before the whole world goes digital, they're trying to get on top of it so they can be on top of it. Well, you know what the next step that would be, right? If uh imagine that one world currency. One world currency. Yeah. Yep. Yep. And it's in Revelations. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

So do you know the world?

SPEAKER_00 55:41

That's that's what I was saying before. Like when I say like sometimes if George Washington would do the same thing, you know, sometimes I I'm not so sure, you know. How deep do you all want to go?

SPEAKER_01 55:55

Well, I think I think God has a plan.

SPEAKER_02 55:59

Is currently plan.

SPEAKER_01 56:02

So everything. What I would just say is the world currency is currency. So you're under merit you're under maritime law. So there's common law, which is the law of the land, and there's the law of the sea. And the word very specifically, currency, means current sea. See, you are on the current sea. You're out on the sea. You're not on the land. Your water didn't break. You you're not human. You're you're current sea. You get it? You kind of sound like dolomite. Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 56:43

I remember dolomite.

SPEAKER_01 56:45

Yeah. But uh I I'm I'm telling you what it relates to. So there's uh law of the land and there's law of the sea. And the law of the sea is currency. Don't you see it's currency? Like so you you're you're you're you're among pirates. Um and they could loot your shit at any minute. Like, you're not on the common law, like laws of a land. And where people should be more civilized and shit like that. Like, you don't uh I don't know what the right words are to describe what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 57:20

But uh if you think about it.

SPEAKER_04 57:22

I definitely think I defin I definitely think that there is a very there there's a goal that the oligarchy wants to like kind of sum that up.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

You know what I'm saying? Do you know where the Federal Reserve is is at their main headquarters?

SPEAKER_02 57:42

What is it? Uh is it in DC?

SPEAKER_01 57:46

No, it's in the Caribbean. The Pirates of the Caribbean.

SPEAKER_02 57:50

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

Where where else would it be?

SPEAKER_02 57:53

Oh, Jack Sparrow.

SPEAKER_01 57:54

Oh man. Yeah, dude. You didn't know that? That's our main headquarters and then is in the Caribbean. Yeah, Pirates of the Caribbean. It's some of this shit is right in your face, and if you can't fucking see it, you can't fucking see it. But we should all see it. And we should all know, and we should all be better fucking humans and just say fucking no to all this shit. Like, you know, and I know you guys are on the same page as me. I I feel that. I love I love that. So I'm not fighting against you guys. I'm just trying to invite the people who might not know about some of this shit. Like, you know, I'm not I'm not just talking shit. I know what I fucking know.

SPEAKER_02 58:46

I'll be quiet. Well, I think the I think majority of America are they're like I think if okay, you know what?

SPEAKER_04 58:59

If if we if the people that think like us had the same support system and backing of what the left is, I think we could like seriously we could seriously. Right, you know, the government, government, I know if you're I know you're listening, but uh that doesn't mean I want violence. No, I just meant like a stronger voice. I meant like a more like a better approach to this. Like we like we're at the point where the economy is it doesn't it obviously it doesn't matter who the president is, we are still stuck with you know high income rates that are fake. Interest rates shouldn't even be a thing. We're stuck with forty trillion trillion dollars worth of debt that we have to pay for. We have to pay for just like the just like the king, how the king back in you know seven the 1760s said, you know what, colonists, y'all have to pay for our military. Even though coming over there to harass your people. Right. Even though we signed something for the past 150 years that you don't have to pay, da da da. No, I don't really care anymore. They're doing the exact same thing now. And I I you know, I think if we had that same backing, if we had those the those same foundations and those organizations.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:41

Man, people won't even look up. They're looking down into their phone. They're they're fucking you know, how uh how do you get like a whole population to wake up to the fact of what's really going on and not what you think is going on? You're doom scrolling. You're fucking doing nothing. You're not doing anything, you're not creating shit, you're not loving the world. I okay. No, we need a yeah, yeah, yeah. We need to be able to do that. We need we need a revolution, another revolution, basically.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:21

You know, what do you what do you expect people to do at the same time, though? Because when you think of a revolution, you also have to think there are people that have to give up their livelihoods.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:32

You know, there was only every well they estimate that there's only two or three percent of the population that uh original colonies that participated in the revolution. Yeah, I have read that. I read it too. I'm not sure if it's true, but it's interesting. If you took if you took leaders. So you're talking about leaders, right? If you took Well, we need is okay. All right. And it was Christian it was Christian too. It was Christian.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:04

I'm alright, Chris. I'm not I'm not an anarchist like you, okay? So my definition of revolution is gonna be vastly different than yours because I'm just not as violent. I'm you know, I'm I'm not I don't want to kill my neighbor. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:24

So like I don't even want to like I don't want to either make it I wanna awaken them to the world. I don't want to kill 'em. That's not me, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:34

Chris, your words were literally a 1776 revolution. I don't want to kill anybody. I I I want people elected that that that have that that Christ mind that is like solve anything, regardless.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:53

Well, that's a revolutionary uh you know, the revolutionary war, that we wouldn't be here, you know, what I what I mean to say is this, that I think secondary revolution to get people back to their roots and back to Christianity and back to the things that this country was founded on is a good fucking thing. That's what I mean to say. Okay? So if I'm coming across wrong, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to. I don't want to uh that's what I believe.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:34

But so, okay, look, so the basis of what I think I think there is uh a really scary thing when it comes to that too, because there are people that that can't they just see red, you know, because I can I can I can get really angry too.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:55

What if uh what if what if the United States of America never exists? Where do you think the world will be today? That's a hard uh question because we're I know it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

I know it is built in that culture.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:12

Like when we're talking about like the how the what if what if our founders had never founded this country and this country did not exist, where do you think the state of the world would be today? It wouldn't be as in it's my pool.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:30

It wouldn't be as advanced.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:34

Like, I think what we did what America did within 200 years, 250 years. Amazing. That is unheard it's unheard of. Like it's it's literally never happened. So doesn't happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

So the idea is so I get it in the view of like capitalism. The the originally when people first started to come here, it it was just endless untapped potential. Especially if you were a big big capitalist. Like that if capital was like your main thing, all all you saw was app uh opportunity. And a lot of people built their lives on that.

unknown 1:05:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:20

From the very and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

Do you know where there's real quick, you know where the term big wig comes from?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:30

I don't.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:32

Anybody lords.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:34

So like when I was saying earlier about capitalists, you'd be like a lord or you'd own businesses, you'd be with and they always wore their wigs. Right. So tech you know, if you were all about business and you were going to court all the time for your business, that was like the best way to whoever had the biggest wig was usually the gu most power and money, or money, whatever. You know, the wig's cost. Right money.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:04

And that's like the oh like the OG, because it like originally, like, you know, they were the wigs, the white wigs or whatever. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:13

Yeah. Yeah, because they still do it in like Canada and England and stuff to show power.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:19

But you'll still see it on fucking television and shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:23

They had fucking syphilis. So the guy with the so they lost all their hair. And the guy with the biggest wig was the big wig. Why do they still use it now then?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:34

Do they all have syphilis?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:36

I don't know. I don't know. They probably all called them a syphilis. That was that's that that's a history on that shit. And you can check me if you want. That's fine. Could it be could it be both? Oh you say it's both. Certain certainly it could be both. But supposedly the term big wig came from someone who was losing their fucking hair because they had syphilis. And the bigger the wig, the bigger the wig. You know what I'm saying? Big wig. That's where it came from. That that's where it originated from. So, you know, and you could fact-check me. I don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:13

Something completely different though.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:16

That's fine. Fact-check me.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:18

That's why I said we can just say it's the by the late 1500s, Europe was facing a massive syphilis epidemic. Open source, patchy hair loss.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

Big wigs. Yep. So they had their fake fucking wigs. Yep. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:36

Oh yeah. It's a big ol' big old orgy happening. But yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:44

You said the 1500s? Yeah. Because the black plague, the black plague was in the 1300s. Yeah. Yeah. So a lot of those diseases started popping out of the room.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:55

So anyway, that's that's where the term came from. Oh, white.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:01

What do you say, Cora?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:03

You guys want to hear something else really funny about that? You know why they were white? Because they'd always put like powder. Because they were usually made out of like goat hair or horse hair, like dead human hair or whatever. So like when wet or whatever, they'd smell like horrible. Like basically that dead animal.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:26

Oh yeah. Like Penjamin Franklin, too. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:30

Yeah.

unknown 1:08:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:32

Well, he had to wear his wig too.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:36

Oh yeah. He was getting that French. Oh man. Oh, shoot.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:41

He was the womanized for the uh century.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:45

Oh yeah. George.

unknown 1:08:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:48

That's why he was that's why he was doing Prince. Washington's rocking it.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:55

Yo, that's that's funny y'all say that. Actually, when I was researching, there was a there was a general, I forgot his name, during the Revolutionary War, and he actually he was supposed to take his men to a specific battle, and on the way there, he ended up meeting this this woman, and they ended up like oversleeping because they were just, you know, constant sex.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:23

They ended up losing the battle because of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:28

Because of him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:30

Because of him. He saw that woman was like, gentlemen, gentlemen, put down your muskets. We're camping tonight, and then just like completely forgot about the battle. And they took over a small part of them. Yeah. Damn. I was like, man, he must have been must have been hanging out with Franklin then. Oh yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:51

Franklin was a fucking little musket. Then Frank was the wild one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, dude. He was fucking fucking bitches like I've time.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:02

Well, like remember what I was saying about capitalists?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:06

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:08

He was he was them for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:11

Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. But he was uh I don't want to say bad. He was We needed him to do what he did. Yeah. He was just he was just a little creepy.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:25

And you know, it's it's funny because sometimes I like it's funny because like you think about like you were saying, like talking about being a Christian nation and everything like that. It's funny because he's one of those people that didn't subscribe to that all the way, and at the same time, you know, him and a lot of his homies that didn't subscribe all the way had a lot of different scientific breakthroughs, not necessarily like you, you know, through blasphemy or anything, as much as just juju. Right. Like, you know what I mean? Like they found a bunch of dead corpses underneath his house, and you know, be enough to think that he was a crazy serial killer, but the doctor he was living with was just really fascinated with corpses, and he learned a lot. And Franklin did a lot with the medical.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:25

Hmm, I never heard this. Yeah. Dude, because Richmond was wild. They did like a whole like series on it, like a like a little docuseries on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:35

Yeah, well, it was when they found when they found all the corpses underneath his house. It was like a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:44

Because him and his roommate, they would go dig up corpses from graveyards and stuff, especially because to study them.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:51

To study, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:55

So if somebody died, or especially somebody in a in a town or something that he was staying at, right? Oh well, late at night he's fresh, so we'll go in, dig him up, and bury him back, you know, bury the hole again, and you know, no one will know the difference. Right. We just gotta be, you know, quick and precise about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:17

Yeah. Wow. Wow.

unknown 1:12:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:22

Yeah, well, then it was it if the news, I think, is fairly new, like 15 years maybe, I think. Because you gotta tell like an archaeological discovery. Like they took pictures underground, saw a bunch of corpses, they, you know, they got K to dig them up, and then it was like, oh, wait a minute. According to the DNA, this guy is buried over there in the grave. Right. Like they were initially like, holy shit, you know, Ben Franklin was a sicko until he started doing ding and a, and they were like, hold up, this would be in their grave. What's going on? Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:05

Yeah, and who knows the medical breakthroughs that you know those doctors back then made from just digging up bodies and stuff in the name of science.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:16

You know, just like you legitimately, you know, chopping them up in pieces and like, oh how to operate, you know what I mean? Like Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:25

I mean um are we gonna dive into the civil war?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:30

Yeah, we got about twenty minutes left, so I think we can we can do a good twenty on it. What do you guys think about that?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:39

Uh I think it kinda finds into the to what I said before about do you think he'd do the same thing? Cause you g you gotta admit it's kind of funny. It's like no almost not even a hundred years later that the country starts fighting itself.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:55

So I I think the original founders were based on a principle, and they were like, Alright, we exist as inserting colonies, fuck you, King James, suck a dick, and it was just a crazy world, like the colonies were happening, and there was this, that, and the other. I think I think basically they were just like the federal government has lost control of the nation and has gone too far, and we're willing to succeed. Like, fuck you. And call, you made a good point. I can't deny your point. Why the GDP was so high in South Carolina and free labor. Right, right. Okay. Now, were they treated those people bad or not? No one really knows. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:59

Uh I think I think I think there was a I would say eighty I say eight uh okay, I would say eighty percent of them were probably treated bad, twenty percent were probably treated okay. That's what my guess is.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:15

Well, what do you think? What is what does your guess mean? What does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:21

Well that's just you had people that saw them as human, whether they own them as slaves or not, and then you had people that saw them as subhuman.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:31

Right, yeah. So And if they lived on the if they lived on the plantation, they'd probably go pretty good. Well they all argue plantation. I would argue that.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:40

They all lived on a plantation.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:42

Yeah. Right. They weren't you they weren't they weren't free human beings. Which I'm aga I'm against all that. Yeah, no, they weren't they weren't free human beings. They were no, they were sh they were shuffled when it was on the shuffled.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:58

They were, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:58

Were they sheltered fed. Were they fed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:04

Yeah, they were fed and all that. Yeah, yeah. Well, because of course you gotta you gotta make sure that the slave is strong and standing up enough, you know, and if if he to work for you, or you know, and if he does bad or she does bad, then you hit him. That's what they did, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:25

Well were the conditions better up north? Right? Were the conditions really better up north? I don't think there was I don't think there was a now there's underground railroad. Come on.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:39

Yeah, but the f the slaves had to go from I don't think they were really like considered slaves up north.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:47

Well they weren't because slavery was outlawed earlier in the north than it was for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:55

Right. So so they were they were more on they were more servants than anything. Like they still got a wage, their family was taken care of, they had clothes, you know, stuff like that. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:08

Right, right, right. But in the South, it didn't crack. They they so people portray it like it's every ba everybody was fucking whipped and da-da-da-da-da-da.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:23

Like I don't think eight like eighty-twenty. I think I think there was twenty percent of the slave owners that thought, okay, this is a good thing. They could do whatever the fuck they want. This is no no, I meant no, as in twenty percent are saying, alright, I know it's the cultural society that as a farmer I should have free slave, you know, uh, sorry, free labor and have slaves, so they would end up getting slaves and they would buy them and they would treat them fairly. But I think eighty percent of the slave owners did not care about that. They didn't have a moral guidance, and they said, Well, my daddy my daddy died with this farm with these slaves, so I'm gonna just continue what he did. You know, I think eighty percent of them did that.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:15

Yeah, because the Africans were the ones that were bringing them in. Oh, Bridge. That's what's fucked. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:27

There is no slave.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:28

Look, Chris, I understand I understand the slave trade. I understand that they were captives in West Africa, the Africans enslaved them as war prisoners, and then the Frenchmen and the Spanish came through and bought them. I understand that, but there's a difference between grabbing them as war prisoners and then chaining them up to then whip them to then, you know, like use them as slave labor for the next and their bloodline for the next, you know, 400 years. There's a there's a big difference.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:05

Right. That doesn't make you any better of a person at the end of the day. 100%.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:09

100%. And that's what that's what North, Central, and South America did. And there is no denying that. South America did it worse than us, 100%. But as the slaves have condors. Yeah, and I I and I understand that. And I'm not this isn't white guild, this isn't no live artist stuff. No, it's I know we had slave owners, okay, that did our job, okay? And what was our job treated most of them were treat were treated poorly and bad. Some weren't, some were paid, some did have education, some did have a nice house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But but I got to say but to say most or all or just deny the facts, that is that's not what our history will is or was. Yeah. Like at like at all. Like that's what I said. 8020.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:17

The institution of slavery benefits anybody at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:22

Yeah, and you and I'll even take it a step further. If you you open up, you know, the the books of Moses, they had it way worse than you know the slaves that North and South America had. You know? So you like, yeah, like slavery happened, people were treated poorly, some were treated some were treated okay, some were treated good. But the ones the ones that the ones that were treated good, I don't know if they were I don't know if you would classify them as slaves, though, because I feel like I feel like family almost like uh Yeah, and they were they were like servants.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:09

I don't I I didn't uh yeah You know what I'm saying? I know what you mean. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:16

I don't think Chris knows anything about John Brown. John Brown.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:22

The John Brown Society?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:25

Do you know John Brown?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:27

No, I don't.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:29

Usually when me and Chris are talking about Civil War. Um so I'm always starting to think, I don't think you know John Brown, Chris. That's fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:38

Enlighten me, motherfucker. We're on a podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:42

Well, John Brown. See, this is the funny thing about the Civil War that people don't talk about is uh the thing that really frightened the South and a lot of the uh states where slavery was legal was John Brown. He was a radical abolit abolition. I don't know how to pronounce the word. He was against slavery. Extremely against slavery, felt like it was against his you know the Christian religion.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:15

He didn't should have you talking about the guy in Kansas? Huh? You talking about the guy in Kansas?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:24

Do you know? I think he was from Kansas.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:27

Uh let me find out. Dude, because I just I literally like just saw a video on him. There was literally a guy in Kansas, I'm pretty sure his name was John. Like he did the exact same thing what you're basically explaining. I wonder if it was two of them. One in Kansas and one in uh one on the East Coast. Was he the guy that bombed the Federal Armory at Harper's Ferry? No. Like he did kill a lot of people. But I don't know if he did the I don't I don't know if he was into explosives. But he did he did murder a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:04

No, I'm talking about the either the John Brown was born in Tornington, Connecticut.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:11

Oh, yeah, no, never mind, man. All right, never mind.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:14

All right, go along.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:15

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:18

He's moved around from Pennsylvania and Massachusetts, but he was real big against slavery. Like I said, he stood up against it all the time, gave speeches, was trying to get into like the federal politics and stuff like that, and then he uh he started a violent raid on the Federal Armory at Harper's Ferry in 1859. And because he wanted to spark a whole slave insurrection, you know what I mean, and that like terrified a lot of the Southerners, especially like Bill was saying a guy that owned like slaves because he, you know, you inherited this farm from you know several generations. You that kind of thing like frightened the shit out of you. So the South really started to get really what's the word when it when you get like triggered over a debate or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:19

Well, you had a point that the South was actually the ones that surrender. Nobody remembers that.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:31

At the same time, I feel like people like General Lee.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:36

General Lee surrendered.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:38

Yeah, Robert E. Lee. I think people read that he fought for the Confederates and immediately, you know, insist that he was a bad guy. I I mean, you know, when you look at history, you know, you gotta remember these people are just people. You know, a lot of people nowadays they want that there's so much Nazis War in Germany or the Confederates and people want to tell themselves that they'd be so much better than them. But at the end of the day Well, would they be? Would they be? You don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:10

You don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:11

Yeah. You don't know, but you live a day in their shoes. You know what I'm saying? Like in your revolution earlier, Chris, and I was like, you know, but at the same time, you're asking people to give up a lot. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, I think that's like the big question. Like if you were in Nazi Germany when Nazis started to take over, are you join the Nazis or would you be against Yeah?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:40

Yeah. And they would hang you. That's a huge question.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:46

They would literally hang you and call you a traitor if you if you didn't join them.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:50

Right exactly. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:54

Robert E. Lee, I think, was an American. I don't think he was necessarily as vicious towards slaves or blacks as people, you know, made him out to be because, like I said, he fought for the Confederate war, and at the end of the day, he wanted peace. Like he was the one guys that like fought against the guys running the Confederacy and was like, so what are we gonna do now? Now our country's burning itself down. Yeah. Now we got our everything down because it's the federal governments and they can. So like what the fuck are we doing here? Right. You know what I mean? And that takes a lot of bubbles to admit that it what you thought was worth fighting for really wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:48

You know, that takes a I think I think because it's even said that after he wrote off, people started to clap.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:59

And I think it was in my opinion, I I think that's the treaty with with Robert E.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:09

Lee.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:10

I think it was all fucking perversed, right? So it started out like the federal government was like, we're gonna come down here and take your fucking tax. You're not paying enough, you're gonna pay us more. And then South Carolina was like, Oh, I'm an original colony. Like, fuck off, suck a dick. You're not taking my tax. You're not taking no more taxes. Like, that's it. We'll secede. We'll be an original colony again. So the whole basis of the Civil War was you know, that the federal government cannot overstep its reach, and it did, and it did overstep its reach, and then it went to the Confederacy of the Union and it Went to Lincoln saying that in Organic Act of Congress and they created their own fucking Congress. Like, bro, there was so much shit that went on. And it was made definitely.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:17

I don't think it was that's the thing that I disagree with.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:20

I don't think it was first in April 1861. Fourth summer. That's how the war started was that when the Confederates decided to succeed, they attacked first on the Fort Something in April of 1861.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:38

Right. And you also gotta think What's wrong with that? Right. You know what I mean? Well, you also have to think that there was there was elected officials that wanted to end slavery. And there was literally there was from the start of our country till that point, there was literally fist fights going on within Congress about slavery. Okay? So you slavery was at at the core of this war. A bottom line, they've been fighting about it since 1776. And then it just so it just so happened. So all of the history and evidence that people have, it's just out the window. They were literally, you can look it up, they were literally having fist fights over slavery in Congress. And Lincoln, Lincoln was that guy that stood up and said, I'm alright, this is it. Slavery is done. And Lincoln also said, I'm sending them back to Africa, but the Republicans wouldn't let him. That's true as well. He wrote up a whole letter addressing the nation that he wants to send them all back to Africa. But the the elected officials didn't let him do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:58

It's probably a good thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:04

I mean, I'm not saying it's a good or a bad thing. I'm just saying that they've literally been fighting about slavery. Did you know, did you know that Thomas Jefferson literally wrote on the first copy of the Declaration of Independence that uh we, the founding fathers of you know, this new nation, condemn all sorts of slavery, and then he had to take it out because he didn't want the South to succeed to succeed from the city.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:30

I know, but it's like gang it's like gangster rap. Like Could you just wipe it out all in one minute? Like, you know, it takes time to develop a society to obey the laws that should be the laws and not not be so condemning of slavery. You know what I mean? It takes time.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:55

Well, if we're a cr if we're a Christian, you know, if we were a Christian nation, then if we were a real Christian nation, we would have abolished slavery in 1776. And should have. Exactly. Right. That's what I'm getting at. The Civil War was from build-up from 1776 about not abolishing slavery.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:15

It was about more than that. It was about 100%. It was about that.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:27

I'm agreeing with you. I'm agreeing with you. I've been agreed with you. I'm saying that building up building up to the fifties into 1859 specifically, Lincoln put his foot down and said, I'm done with this slavery stuff. I don't care, I don't care what y'all say, I I don't. Because he had so much great. Which was great. Yeah. Right, okay. But then I also get your point on him asking for more taxes and South Carolina being confused about it. And being like, well, what the heck? I thought we were tight. I thought we were homies. And then Lincoln pulled that, well, y'all still had free labor. Y'all still had slaves. Look at us up. And then pulled the you so industrialized with our wages. Yeah, yeah. So Lincoln played that game. That's all I'm saying.

unknown 1:32:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:23

No, Lincoln, Lincoln played the game. South Carolina played the game. Virginia played the game. They all played the game. It just who came out on top. It was Lincoln. And because they had they had an influx of immigrants. They had everything. It doesn't matter. Yeah. And I understand that.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:43

They automatically were put into the army. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:47

But that's not like a it's not a cheat code because the South could have done the same with South America. They could have done that with France. They could have done that with Brittany. But they but the South chose not to. They just chose to keep their children.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:02

They had a lot of uh Indians that wanted to help and they didn't give a fuck either because they were, you know, just Indian people. Right. Yeah, like they were armored out their slavery. In fact, they were in Indians were some of the last people to own slaves. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:19

Yeah. Oh, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:22

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. There was a uh I think it was like 1878, I believe. Damn.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:30

Something like that. But it was mainly because of their uh there was like a treaty or whatever, and they they got like a reprieve from the law for like, I don't know, fifty years or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:44

Because they were talking about, well, you said we could govern our land like this little patch we wanted, and the federal government was like, alright, well, I guess since you have it in paper still.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:58

Well, are you guys knowing about the Seminole tribe? Only only only Native American country that never beat conquered. Like they the US the US company gave up. They gave up. That's why they're still the Florida State Seminoles and Seminole tribe that exists right now in Florida, because they said, Alright, we're done. There's alligators and shit. We don't want to fuck with this shit. We're done.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:30

And they never gave up and they never fold it. And now they have some of the most the hard rock cafe is owned by um Yeah. Yeah, yeah, bro. This is real shit. Like the US government basically gave up on trying to fight that and let them go. And now they own all the hard rock cafes. You know what they say in Vegas. You know what they say, Chris. Money talks. That's right. They do say that. Hey, that's uh that's one of their chief's names.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:13

Bullshit? What? Yep. Walk. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:23

And it and it did walk.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:26

Dude, I'm telling you, Indian jokes are the greatest dude. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:31

They fucking they gave up. They gave up. They were like, uh oh shit, dude. There's alligators, there's fucking anacondas. I like how I play. Anyway, yeah, yeah. The Seminole tribe is amazing because they never signed a peace agreement. They never fucking did shit.