When Spirit Speaks: Real Paranormal Experiences

In this episode, our guest shares powerful paranormal experiences and we explore the many different ways spirit communicates through a medium. We also have an honest conversation about grief, loss, and the complex realities surrounding death—including the impact of suicide and how spirit communication can bring understanding and healing.

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Transcript

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome everyone. Today we are working on part three of Between Worlds and what it feels like to be a medium. Our special guest is Sarah, Harry's daughter. And she has had many experiences, and we're going to be talking about those. She's not exactly into what we do in our world as mediums. And so we're going to be talking with her about her experiences. Have you had any visitations in dreams and what was that like for you?

SPEAKER_03 0:28

Sure. So the first one that was in a dream, a visitation in a dream, happened, oh gosh, over 20 years ago. I had an ex-boyfriend who his best friend was in the military, and he had died in a plane crash overseas and a helicopter crash overseas. This was somebody who I had only met a few times, a handful of times. When I did meet him, he was very kind and very nice. And we had a good connection with each other. It wasn't necessarily somebody that was in my life all of all of the time or anything. So I'm not really sure why this happened with him specifically. But I would say it was probably a year or two after he had passed away. I went to bed one night and I had a dream, a visitation. Basically, it was him and I. We were sitting in these simple chairs and we were facing each other, and we were illuminated. There was like a circle of light illuminating us. And I remember looking around outside of that circle of light, and it was just nothingness. I didn't get a sense of being in a room that was dark, anything like that. It was just expansive nothingness. We just sat there facing each other and we talked, and he talked mostly. We talked for it felt like years. When I woke up the next day, the next morning, I very vividly remembered that this had happened, but I could not, and to this day, I cannot remember anything that was said. I remember that it was a rough point in my life. I had a lot of rough points in my life when I was younger. Uh, this was one of them. I remember feeling comfort. I remember feeling wisdom coming from him. I remember feeling very grounded talking to him. So I'm sure the things that he was saying to me were those sorts of things, comforting and advice and and things like that. That's the sense that I have. But I I I don't remember anything that was said, and I just remember waking up feeling like I had been talking to him for years, just sitting there talking. It was a very strange feeling. It didn't weird me out or anything. I found I found it very comforting, actually. That was my first one.

SPEAKER_00 2:51

What I'm hearing and what it sounds like, because a lot of times when we have a visitation, it's to let the person know that deceased person is okay, but this sounds like he was there for you. And the feeling that I'm getting is that even though it was a handful of times that you had met him, it feels like he liked you as a person. Nothing romantic or anything like that, but that he liked you as a human being, he liked you as a person. And because he's connected to your ex means that you're connected also, that he was understanding of and aware of what was going on in your life and came there for you. That's really a nice dream. Visitation. How did it feel to you? Did it feel like a visitation when you woke up?

SPEAKER_03 3:37

Yes, absolutely. It felt absolutely real.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

I'm a very vivid dreamer, so I'm very aware of what it feels like to wake up from a dream, even that was very vivid, but knowing it was a dream and feeling like, yeah, that was a dream, and I always have been that way. But waking up from that, yes, it it felt very real.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

It's when you have visitations, it's a dream that you'll never forget.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

It feels more real than real sometimes. And it probably is more real than real. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Do you get any feelings, Annalisa, with that?

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Yeah, well, it's funny because what you described was the the nothingness place was interesting to me because the very first visitation I had uh in a dream, and I don't really I'm not a dreamer in the sense that I get psychic stuff through dreams. It my dreams are all just traveling and fun and and uh I mean I rarely get nightmares it, but they are like ongoing movies and feel like they're hours long and they're vivid as hell and all that. And I love my dream life. Um but the visitation dream is like I r I can remember everything about it, and it was in 1996. And it was with my grandmother, and I woke up to be in this white room, and it was like almost nothing in this white room except a white couch, a white desk, with two Native American people in meditation, a woman and a man. No idea who they were. Walked up to them this to ask a question, and they wouldn't speak to me. They weren't rude, it was just like they you could tell they were in meditation. And I went and I sat on the couch and this door opened that I didn't even know was there before. And behind the door looked like the night sky, like it was all dark and nothingness except for some stars. And my grandmother walks in, and we greet, uh, hug her, and I can feel her, and oh my god, how are you? What's going on? And we sat down and again talked for hours, uh, could have been years, and I said, Can I go with you? And you're like, You'll be able to, but not yet. And I was like, Okay. And I looked at her and I went, I'm not gonna remember any of this, am I? She's like, Nope. And that's all I remembered. That's what I told you. You remember that part though. I remember that part. And it was it's funny to me because it was like I knew it in the even in the experience. I was like, I'm not gonna remember any of this part. But it was like we talked for a hundred years.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

And I could feel her, I could smell her, it was very, very real. And like I guess, like we just said, I can remember it, and it was in 1996. In your case, I feel like there is possibility that even though in this life you didn't know each other that well, that there was definitely a connection in our greater life, in the afterlife, or whatever you want to call it, that you may know each other a lot more as souls.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

Mm-hmm. He was definitely one of those people that you know, you meet those people periodically throughout your life, and you just feel like you've always known them. You feel immediately comfortable with them. And I felt like that with him. Again, we only saw each other a very small handful of times at total. Yeah. But yeah, I always felt very comfortable with him immediately.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

So Visitation Dreams where you don't remember what's been talked about, it happened to me with my grandfather.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

And I had gone to whatever dimension or reality that he was in, and it was an old saloon. And but it was all brand new, and it had the the swinging doors, and I walked through, and there was it was weird for that kind of setting, but there was a like a Maitre D dressed in a tux, and I walked through and he said, What are you doing here? And I said, I came to see my grandfather, and then he was gone, and I saw my grandfather sitting in the back having his favorite drink, which is he had it every every evening was a Dubai. And I sat down and we had this very long conversation, and I don't I have no idea what we talked about, but I know it was a very deep and long conversation.

SPEAKER_04 7:27

Isn't that wild?

SPEAKER_00 7:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:29

Yeah, I don't I don't remember having a dream where I had a conversation with someone that I don't remember the conversation, but I did have out-of-body experience where um I had taken a friend and we had flown and I'm not gonna tell the whole story because it's kind of long, but we ended up in this house and we came down through the roof and stood in the circle of chairs, and then people were in the room and they saw as soon as they saw us, they all came and they sat down in the chairs, and so we were standing in the middle, and I started telling them things like I don't know what I told them the next morning. I could not, I don't have any idea what I said to them, but I said a lot of stuff and they came there to listen to what I had to say. Wow, yeah, that was really interesting.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

That is cool.

SPEAKER_04 8:11

Yeah, but I don't ever remember having an actual like dream dream.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

Didn't I put that story in the book? In my book?

SPEAKER_04 8:18

I I think so.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Yeah, it was an incredible dream, the whole thing. When we dedicate an episode just to dreams and imagination and dimensions, we'll definitely get into that a little bit deeper. That was amazing.

SPEAKER_04 8:31

I mean, this wasn't a dream because the next day I had called my friend who I had gone to her house and got her. We went on this little adventure. I called her on the phone and asked her if she had had a dream about me last night. And she thought about it for a second and then and then she said, Yeah, I did. And I said, What did you dream? And she told me the whole thing that we did.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

So that is so cool.

SPEAKER_04 8:53

Yeah. So so that was validation to me that it wasn't a dream dream. It was that had actually happened.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Yeah, it was astral traveling.

SPEAKER_04 9:02

Yeah. So that was fascinating. One of my best out of bodies. I've had many. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

I wanted to learn more about that because I don't know when I'm doing it, when I'm not doing it. I just assume I'm dreaming. But I've had a couple experiences where I'm like, maybe that was something else because it felt like it went on for a very long time, or I was dropped into another life and everything was completely different in terms of you know, time period and whatnot.

SPEAKER_04 9:24

Yeah. Well, Sarah's got one more, I think one more, right? Sarah, oh. Uh, as far as dreams go, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

We have Sarah. Oh yeah, I'm on a podcast.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

We do tend to talk, the three of us, so don't don't mind us.

SPEAKER_03 9:42

Um so interestingly enough, that first one, this one I'm about to talk about, and then the one time that I saw a physical entity of somebody who was actually not there, they all revolve around the same ex-boyfriend to strange because he ended up being a horrible person and it was just kind of a mess. But I don't know why everything revolves around him. Okay, so the second incident that happened, this was I'm so bad with timelines. What was this about four years ago, three, four years ago?

SPEAKER_04 10:14

Probably more than that.

SPEAKER_03 10:15

So this this guy I had dated off and on in my early 20s, late, late teens and early 20s. The last time that we dated, I don't remember how old I was, maybe I was in my early 20s, 23, 24. And that was the last time I've seen him, last time I've spoken to him, and I'm 47 now, so it's been a while. You know, he would pop into my mind periodically, as exes do, especially ones that you dated for a long time, off and on. But nothing serious. So a few years ago, I went to bed and I have this dream. It was a dream of it was just him. He came to me, he told me a lot of things. I don't remember everything that was said, but I know that he was apologizing to me because he ended up in our relationship, had done some terrible things. He was kind of apologizing to me and telling me, I'm sorry that I have done those things. I hope you can move on. And I don't remember if he specifically told me or if it was just the feeling I had, like, oh, he's coming to me in spirit form. So I woke up the next morning and I'm like, that was really weird because I never think about this guy, really, hardly ever. I wonder what he's up to. So I tried to find him on social media and I couldn't find him anywhere. I Googled his name and I found his obituary, and he had died just a couple of weeks before that.

SPEAKER_01 11:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

So that was strange.

unknown 11:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

Another visitation. I was gonna say, in terms of validation, that's a that's a pretty cool validation.

SPEAKER_03 11:45

Yeah, that relationship had a lot of impact on my life. Some positive, a lot of negative. I'm actually still dealing with him in therapy. So yeah, his actions in life affected my life a lot. Wow. So if somebody were to come to me after they died and said, I hope you heal and I'm sorry, it would be him. As it should be. Yeah. Yeah. But that really, really floored me. I like that's the most dramatic thing that has ever happened to me. Where I I Google his name, I see that he had just died a few weeks before that before that happened. So I was like, oh.

SPEAKER_04 12:19

So how did that feel toward you when he came and apologized to you? Was that healing for you in any way? No.

SPEAKER_02 12:27

Unfortunately, no.

SPEAKER_03 12:30

I I mean, I think that I've dealt a lot with the impact of our relationship just on my own over the years. I don't really need his apology. So I don't know. I don't know. I haven't really delved into it and I haven't really given it much thought. It's just one of those things that happened and I'm like, that's really bizarre. And I think I just kind of let it go and didn't really, I don't know. Again, this isn't really my world, so I wasn't like, oh wow, it's time to study this now. You know, I just kind of like, wow, that was really interesting and just let it go, sort of.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

So maybe he needed it more than you.

SPEAKER_03 13:01

Maybe, yeah. Yeah, possibly. I don't know. Is that typically something that people do after they've died? They need to make amends with people who are still alive.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Not always, no. Some, some though. Yeah, some.

SPEAKER_01 13:13

Some especially if they think it can help you.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

Yeah.

unknown 13:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

There are some people that have come through where they don't apologize at all for how they were in life, that it was just accepted that's it is what it is, and that's who they were, and there was nothing that was going to change it. But they still come through with love and connection and healing. But a lot, you know, a lot of them don't come through with, oh, I was a terrible person, I did this to you, that, and blah, blah, blah. Some are not not very apologetic at all. And maybe they don't need to be, yeah, in some instances, uh, because we are on our own journey and life experiences.

SPEAKER_03 13:53

I kind of paraphrase when I say what he said to me because I don't remember verbatim the words. I remember the feeling of the words. And the feeling of the words was very much like, I'm sorry I put you through these things. It didn't feel like he was apologizing, like he needed to apologize to me. It was more, I'm sorry that you had to do you had to go through these things that I put you through. It was more the feeling that I got. So, I mean, apol an apology in a way, but not really a I'm so sorry that I yeah, not a direct or but I'm so sorry that you had to experience the things that I did was more the feeling. I don't know. Maybe at some point it will help me because he he needed to play that role for her.

SPEAKER_04 14:32

Yeah, that was something that was an agreement that they had coming into this life.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

That's how I look at it too. Yeah, you know, we come in with certain things that we want to experience and other souls will help us do that. Almost like not that it's a play and it's all hunky-dory, but definitely let's see what this experience is gonna be like if I do this and you do that kind of thing, because free will is always in play.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

Sure. But we do make those agreements and designs and for whatever our soul needs, and sometimes it's not very pretty or pleasant.

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SPEAKER_01 15:00

I will say, as a medium, it's very interesting to bring through someone who's not apologetic because in early in my journey I wanted everyone to be apologetic. So I would, you know, I was in fear of injecting my own feeling on that, and you just gotta step aside and go, okay, they're not sorry. Yeah. And more often than not, the person that I read for is like, if you had come through with that saying that they were, you know, love and light and sorry, I would not have believed you, I would have thought you were a fraud.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

The people that I've told where they don't come through as being apologetic at all for who they were, they totally understand it. They say, I get it, he would never or she would never apologize. And so this is not a surprise.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

But sometimes they come through like your dad, Terry. Yeah, completely changed.

SPEAKER_04 15:42

Completely, yeah. And that's what I said to you, you must have the wrong person. That's not my dad.

SPEAKER_03 15:51

No man at all, that's my dad.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

And and that's where it comes in, where people that do our work, I listen to spirit. I believe them over what a person may deny and what a person may say, no, I that's not right, that's wrong, that's wrong. They would never do that, blah, blah, blah. I always come back to and I got caught in that trap very early on of thinking, oh my God, am I giving the wrong information? And over time you learn to trust what spirit says. That really 99 and nine tenths of the time, it's everything is out of love. Even dark and terrifying experiences that we have in life, when they come through with whatever messages or information, it comes from a good place. It comes from love and connection.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Yeah. There's always a reason, it seems. Something that's a little if you perceive perceive it as frightful, it may not be frightful, it's just the way you've kind of deemed it. You know what I mean? It may be in fact neutral to somebody else, but to you it has some sort of trigger.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

And then there's always kind of a healing or a lesson to learn from that. Tell them about that ghost you saw at your friend's house.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

So this is the only time I've ever seen a solid physical entity that was not actually there. Uh, this was again when I was dating the same guy. I want to know this guy now. I know. Well, I don't know. He's up there somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 17:14

Was he a little psychic himself? That's what it sounds like.

SPEAKER_03 17:17

I'm not aware of. Sounds like he was a natural. Not that I'm aware of. I don't I if he was, he never said anything to me about it. So this was after his best friend had died in that helicopter crash. My feeling was that it was him. I didn't see the face of this person, but I this the feeling that I had was that it was him afterwards and reflecting on him. I don't know if that was my own biases making that connection. But anyway, I um had gone over to his house like I did many times. I would always go in through the garage door. It's one of those types of houses. You just always go in through the garage. And when you walk into the house, you're looking straight down a long hallway, and at the end of the hallway was my ex's bedroom, and you could just see the foot of the bed through the doorway, and there was a bathroom and a laundry room, and then the kitchen and the rest of the house. Uh no exits out that way or anything. My boyfriend at the time was in the kitchen, he was cooking, and as soon as I walk in the door, you know, your eyes just go straight forward, and I see a man sitting on the end of his bed, and again, you could just see the end of the bed through the door, through the doorway. I got his legs, I see his legs, and his hands were sitting flat on his thighs, and I kind of saw like I guess a little bit of this area of him, but he was just sitting there and his hands were on his thighs, and he was just sitting there. I remember it struck me as odd that somebody was just sitting there like that, so still. So I immediately take a right into the kitchen where my boyfriend was cooking, and I went over and I gave him a kiss, and I whispered because I didn't want to be rude to the person who was in there, and I whispered to him, I said, Hey, who's that in your room? His face went white. And he said, What? And I said, Who's that in your room sitting on your bed? He just immediately said, Stay here, and he grabbed a knife from the knife block and because there was no the only way for somebody to get out of that room and leave the house was to walk halfway through the kitchen out into the garage. So, you know, we would have seen somebody leaving. So he grabbed the knife from the knife block and he barreled it down. He was not, he was not that kind of guy who was afraid. He was like, Let's go. So yeah. So he went back there and I was sitting there going, Oh god, like I was, oh my god, who's in the house? He was back there for just a minute. I mean, there's not a lot of places to look. He looked in his room, he looked in the bathroom and the laundry room, and he came back and he's like, What are you talking? There's nobody here. Like, you scared the hell out of me. And I said, There was a man sitting on your bed. I very clearly saw the man sitting on your bed. I don't know. I guess we kind of just chopped it up to I guess I was seeing things because he was like, I don't know what you're talking about. Well, it's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

So he is never you you didn't I don't know if you had a discussion of whether he's ever felt anything like that before or felt weirdness in that house.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

No, we never talked about anything like that. Yeah. But yeah, I mean it was a it was a solid person sitting there. It was very maybe maybe the person came for Sarah. That could very well be. I mean, there was no interaction other than I just saw them.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

I don't know. But in seeing them, you let him know. So it you know, it I wonder if it was someone from his life that he just wasn't ready to communicate with. Right. And that you were supposed to see it because you were supposed to kind of inject that.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

Do you remember noticing how that person was dressed?

SPEAKER_03 20:33

It looked like they had jeans on and then brown shoes. And they had I know they had a long sleeve shirt on because I could see his hand, it was clearly a man. I could see his hands sitting on his uh the top of his legs, like near his, you know, over his knees or whatever, and I could see like the cuffs of a shirt. So he was wearing a long sleeve shirt, jeans, and I think brown shoes. But I mean, I I honestly I only kind of just glanced at a second. I mean, I did look for a second because I'm like, even in the moment, it struck me as so strange for for even if it was a friend of my boyfriend's to just be sitting there like that. Yeah. And so I took a moment to kind of look. And I'm looking as I'm like turning and walking into the kitchen. So I noticed what this person was wearing because I'm like, why is he sitting like that? That's so weird. Yeah, I don't know. We never discussed it after that.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

Wild. This this guy, he was obviously some sort of some sort of energy that that brought paranormal stuff into your life with between the two of you. I don't know. I mean, because it seems like every experience that you've talked about, he's somehow involved.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

My ex, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

And I and I mean, obviously I knew that, but I guess I had never really thought about that and made that connection until her and I were talking about it last night. And I'm like, why are all these big things connected to that ex-boyfriend who ended up being such a negative part of my life?

SPEAKER_00 21:55

Yeah. It's crazy. Well, I think there's definitely a past life. connection.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Definitely. Yeah, that's what I think too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

Something had to have been worked out in that relationship.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

And it doesn't mean it has to be worked out in this life. It could be worked out again in another life or, you know, not at all in i in the afterlife as it were. You didn't do anything wrong by not completing it is what I mean. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

Well maybe that's what the end game was was for her to complete it. Mm-hmm. Hard to say.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Right.

unknown 22:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

I don't know. Often uh when I've had experiences with relationships, I feel I i early in my twenties I was like, oh my God, we must be destined because I have the psychic connection with them and I'm so connected. I know when they're gonna call and I know this and I know that and I think this is like starstruck. And no it's just that you're like you know both of you have energy that's incredibly psychic. That's all it means. Not your soulmate necessarily that was a hard lesson to learn. Or your trauma bonding. Trauma bonding exactly exactly not a good thing. Don't don't interpret it as oh we're soulmates. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:03

That was what it felt like when him and I were together before everything ended up falling apart and things were not good. He was one of those handfuls of people that I've met in my life where I immediately and we both felt the same way because we would talk about it quite often we immediately felt like we have always known each other and we just we always wanted to not only be around each other but like we always wanted to physically be close to each other. Yes you feel this need to like touch even you know not sexually necessarily but just like always be in contact physical contact with this person. It's like this weird craving that you need and I've experienced that with a few people in my life not very many but he was definitely one of them from you know the things that he told me when we were dating you know he had always felt that towards me too. So we definitely had a connection quite a connection.

SPEAKER_04 23:56

I had felt that one time with a an ex-boyfriend where right after I first met them you know how you you're in that puppy love kind of stage or whatever where you just can't get enough of each other. But it was so the feeling was different in that when we were touching each other. It's like I couldn't get it still wasn't close enough for me. You wanted to crawl under you wanted to crawl into yeah you feel like if you can crawl into their skin and get inside their body maybe that would yeah that would make that connection that you're that that you feel is there feel it totally that was the weirdest feeling I never felt like that with anyone you guys remember the movie Cocoon?

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Yes okay isn't there a scene in the pool where the female alien wants to show them what what the gentleman what sex is like and it's this merging that happens. I'm like that's what I kind of feel like if we didn't have these skin suits our connections would be more about merging and I wonder if that feeling is kind of a leftover from when we don't have the body.

SPEAKER_04 25:01

Yeah yeah that is what it feels like it feels like you want to merge with the things yes yes yes and that and and you even even though you're skin to skin it's like oh it's not enough what would you guys tell someone who can feel a loved one around them shortly after their loved one has crossed over and they've never experienced it before and how they should think of it if they're afraid of it.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

And the first thing would be not to fear it.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

Right? Absolutely it's it's starring it's it's disconcerting when it happens like when you're in a sleep state and it's usually a hypnagogic state that you can kind of feel those things if you're not like as professionally doing this. My first experiences were feeling it as I was waking up or as I was falling asleep. So when you're in that vulnerable vulnerable state it feels disconcerting to have suddenly grandpa standing next to you when grandpa's been dead for a few days. I do think that when someone passes the the three days to their funeral or thereabouts I feel them a lot more. Like that in it's an intense feeling of somebody's in the room with me. And that can be fearful. I've been told and I don't know how true this is for every spirit but they like to hang around for their funerals. Yes. So that's why you're feeling them that intensely probably right after they pass.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

And there's no time either a lot of people think or they've been told misinformation that oh it takes them a while to get acclimated and this and that and we have to remember there's no time and space does not exist for them.

SPEAKER_02 26:41

Right.

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SPEAKER_00 26:42

So what could be forty years for us could be seconds for them. Exactly and it doesn't matter I mean they can come through immediately after their death. It was like my neighbor down the street died of a massive heart attack and Tom and I were walking our dog and we saw the fire truck and the EMTs and and we stopped to talk to my neighbor whose house was just before his he came through immediately. He was standing next to me he was standing next to people that I call helpers the helpers some people see them as angels but they're usually men in brown suits. They are around to help us either through our deaths or help us to cross over or help us to acclimate after we've crossed over and so there were two of these helpers standing next to him and he was very religious and he was just watching everything that was going on. He was kind of fascinated with what was going on with all of the the fire truck being there and the EMTs and police and uh and how his wife was doing passed over I'm sorry he didn't know he had passed over oh yeah he knew oh okay he knew but he was standing with the two helpers and he was just fascinated with what was going on. So we kept walking he kind of left we went to his funeral I was wondering at the time when we saw him why he had not moved on to you know where was his family was their family there to greet him and why did he why was he so curious about what was going on which is normal a lot of people do hang around to f to watch what's going on the comings and goings and he was worried about his wife this was an older couple. We went to his funeral I could see that he was with his entire family. He had left that scene was with his family. We don't need to wait three days we don't need to wait six months if we wait if we're told that we should wait to connect with them usually it's because we need to go through the grieving period.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

That's big for me. Yes I can I can probably contact them immediately after but it's more your grief that's hard for me to get through.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

And maybe that's just a me thing but I find it very difficult to get through someone's immediate grief when I'm doing a reading.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

Yeah I don't know if I've ever talked about this woman before that she came for a reading and she didn't tell me of course I don't want to know she didn't tell me the circumstances or who she was hoping would come through and nobody came through. I could feel someone there but no information whatsoever. Nothing nothing nothing so I told her that she was going to take a trip and she didn't tell me what the trip was about and I said just wait until after the trip but I have a feeling that the trip in itself was going to be very important for you and that we needed to wait until she came back and so we rescheduled for when she came back. She told me that her son had died and her trip was to go to his funeral in another state. So when she came back and what I felt was important to her, she had a an experience on the plane that was very important for her. And when she came back and did the reading the second time he came through with so much information. Wow and so they know also they know when the timing is right to come through to communicate.

SPEAKER_04 30:13

I was gonna share a reading that I had had one time many years ago from from a guy whose um I'm not gonna give his name there was an AE documentary done on him in Jacksonville. He didn't live in Jacksonville but but I we became friends. We were friends for a short period of time. The first time I had met him he was giving a like a a presentation or or or doing readings for people at specific meetup group and I think see this is probably even before I even met you uh so this has been a long time.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Yeah we had him in a meetup group oh oh you did yeah we had him speak at a meetup group yeah oh was I you know who he is too the Black Dickens.

SPEAKER_04 30:51

I I don't remember that oh yes I remember now okay okay okay okay he was I don't know how many people were there at this meetup there probably maybe 25 30 people there I had never met this guy before he was spirits were coming through and then he would say I'm picking up and he would kind of lean it toward the audience and say you know does this does anyone belong to this or does this make any sense to anybody and he had a spirit had come through a guy I think that's it's been so many years but he said I can see that this guy is showing me a fire truck he's showing me there was some other things and I had had a friend take his own life many years prior to that and he and I were pretty good friends and he was a fireman. So I first thought maybe it was him but then another lady said oh I think I know who that is and then they they talked back and forth and it came to find out it really wasn't for her. And so you know I've never had a reading like this before so I didn't really know what to do. But I finally I just raised my hand and I said I think that you know he wasn't connecting with anybody else so I raised my hand and I said I think possibly that might be for me. So he did this whole big reading thing and my friend had come through and he said this is very odd but I have to say what I see and he said he has a bag over his head and he says that he is feeling embarrassed and ashamed because he had taken his own life and he felt so bad about that and he's still working through that on the other side I guess and he came to tell me that he's okay just letting me know that he's okay and that he loves me and that he's working through his stuff. So I found that to be really interesting because it had been many years that he had already passed over why is he still working on his stuff if you know of why he did that I mean I don't that doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

There's there's no time over there so it may be a long time for us but it may be seconds for him.

SPEAKER_04 32:50

But that that that was powerful I cried my eyes out. It was just like wow you know because I well here here's the thing so when he did what he did there was a question about whether he did it on purpose or it was accidental and we never really knew but we kind of thought that maybe he had done it on purpose but we didn't really know and when he came through yeah he said it was on purpose. Was there a brick wall involved?

SPEAKER_01 33:15

I keep seeing a brick wall with him.

SPEAKER_04 33:17

Oh I I don't know where he no I know where he did it. He did it at his sister's house.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

Go ahead no go ahead um for some reason I was feeling him show me a brick wall and trying to get through it and just being too tired to do it. I feel like there was a lot of emotional and spiritual fatigue going on with him that he just couldn't you know get get past.

SPEAKER_04 33:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

So yeah I agree I think he did do it.

SPEAKER_04 33:39

Yeah yeah it was it was tragic. He was such a good person and he was a firefighter and he he helped people and he was he was just a really good good person and he and I would get together and we would just have these really long deep philosophical conversations and you know and he was just just he was just a really good guy.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

It sounded like he was too good for this crap place.

SPEAKER_04 33:59

Yeah. Did somebody leave him or break up with him? I don't know it it so there was a huge few years where I'd never even heard from him before he took his life. So he kind of fell off the face of the earth almost you know like I I didn't even know where he was we kind of just went our separate ways.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

The medium uh told me he said your dad is is telling me that you're never going to finish the book and I'm thinking that I'll have to be dead if it's not finished.

SPEAKER_01 34:27

Yeah was that his way of just putting a fire under you or something?

SPEAKER_00 34:34

I guess he wanted to know why I was there if I was the medium myself why I was there and I said I don't nobody ever reads for me.

SPEAKER_04 34:40

Yeah I said I want a reading he he is actually very good I is he is really really good yeah he's um yeah I I I I was really really impressed with him. Sarah and I love um John Edward we went to see him we went to see him when he was in Jacksonville a few years ago I've seen him too yeah he is phenomenal I think he I think he's the real deal read his book Chasing oh I bought I bought that when you told me about that the other day yeah I bought that it it came right before I took my trip here.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Awesome book.

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SPEAKER_01 35:14

Yeah I've I've always really liked him as as the ones that are famous you know I mean not all of them. Because everybody fame hits people differently too I mean you gotta I I don't understand what fame is like I don't think I'd like fame in that sense of being in a fish bowl so I probably be a little more compassionate with people who suddenly have it but I get turned off easily by people who are who who take themselves too seriously let's say yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:36

Can they put that uh Akashic Rec records in the movie with Robin Williams where Yes What Dreams May Come. Yes What Dreams May Come I loved that movie that was such a good movie.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

That was my favorite movie and as a metaphor I think it's awesome. I don't think there's I have a problem with with that movie at all because it's very poetic in my idea. Yeah. But is that what really what it's like none of us are going to know until we're there anyhow um let's get back on track.

SPEAKER_03 36:01

I know you asked the question and then it I don't think it ever really got answered what would you say to people who might experience things like this that aren't used to it or have never experienced it before yada yada. So as somebody who again does not like live in this world but has had a lot of experiences like this throughout my entire life even being a young child and feeling very intuitive about really bad energies, things like that. You know, but again I don't this world and I don't know I mean if somebody were to suddenly experience something like seeing something or feeling that presence of somebody and they're not used to it. I mean it's nothing's gonna hurt you. You know movies make it sound like these you know dead people can reach out and scratch your face and right and are going to ruin your life and curse you and all of these things and like that's just not that's just not how it works. There's nothing to be afraid of maybe that's I don't know that's oversimplifying it but you have to look past the things that the media or movies tell you about stuff like this and nothing's gonna hurt you.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

It can also be a feeling like you feel like someone is standing behind you and you're sure that there's someone behind you and you recognize the energy and you might think oh that's so and so walking through the door or coming up behind me and you turn around and nobody's there. It's as simple as that is it's as easy as that and a lot of times that's not fearful at all. Unless you let your mind take you to places where you don't need to go.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

That's the key. That's the key it's it's usually your mind that makes the perception positive or negative. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:46

And as far as people having experiences of say they they have a a poltergeist in their house that's opening doors in the kitchen and throwing dishes across the room and stuff I tend to think that energy comes from someone living in the house. I agree with that. I agree versus it's a negative spirit that's just having fun scaring the shit out of you.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

Well I I think the majority of experiences are through people and not through places. Like we think a place is haunted but I don't know maybe it's we're the conduits I think some people are more open and some than others and and some people are more sensitive than others. So that's why someone can walk into the amityville house and feel absolutely nothing and other people can walk in and feel like horrible things or positive things. We just haven't heard of those you know I mean it with you yeah it's when we talk about things like the amityville it's what sells right if positive things came out of that house it wouldn't sell.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

That's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_03 38:41

Yeah I was just gonna say I've had a cat that has followed me from house to house um a ghost cat apparently dead cat. I love it. I see a tail walking past you know the couch and things like I haven't seen it since I've moved this last time. So for about three houses before that I don't know what cat misses but I see the cat. I see the tail I see I see the I mean it's more of a shadow yeah but not like against the wall. Like I see it moving through the front around the furniture and stuff. Like I don't know what this cat is but it's it followed me for very it loves you. I love that so weird I'm like oh my god not this cat again. Why am I seeing this cat again?

SPEAKER_04 39:24

This is at least they're not shedding okay positive right there.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

Scratching up your furniture do you remember when Kim Russo had a TV show and she would do readings for uh people in the entertainment industry and she was at this one woman's house she had a uh one of those sliding glass doors and it kept breaking and shattering oh my god and she didn't know what was going on and Kim told her you're doing that that's your energy and so and especially if you have teenagers in the house I was gonna say that too earlier that that a lot of that a lot of that poltergeist kind of stuff is attached to if you have a teenager in the house. And I watched the show where a family kept moving from house to house and wherever they went this negative evil energy that they thought was following them was actually all of them collectively doing that and causing things to move and I'm grateful mine was just a cat.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

And then your fear kind of ramps it up and it gets circular and it just like creates more energy to move things basically. Yeah. But that but it doesn't happen to everybody because not everybody has that ability that has that kinetic energy.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

Alright well we're out of time that was fun. So this is a wrap thank you so much Sarah for being with us today.

SPEAKER_01 40:51

Nice to meet you Sarah come back to see you again.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

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