Crystal Skulls: Ancient Artifact or Modern Myth?

Step into one of history’s most controversial mystical artifacts: the legendary crystal skull connected to the ancient Maya ruins of Lubaantun. In this episode, we explore the disputed story surrounding the famous Mitchell-Hedges Crystal Skull and the claims made by adventurer Frederick Mitchell-Hedges and his adopted daughter Anna Mitchell-Hedges. YouTube available on Wednesday the 20th.

Was the crystal skull truly discovered in an ancient Maya city during the 1920s, or was it later purchased at auction and transformed into a modern legend? We examine the conflicting stories, historical research, and how the mystery continued even after the original discovery account was challenged.

The episode also explores the modern “Thirteen Crystal Skulls” prophecy and how it became connected to New Age spirituality and metaphysical beliefs. From archaeology and symbolism to myth, mystery, and human fascination with the unknown, this conversation looks at why crystal skulls continue to captivate people around the world.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:10

Welcome back to another episode.

SPEAKER_03 0:12

If you're new here, welcome and thank you for dropping by. Today we are talking about the Crystal Skulls. That's right. The famous Thirteen Skulls prophecy that claims when the ancient skulls are reunited, humanity will receive transformative knowledge or enter a higher state of consciousness. Historians and archaeologists state that the prophecy does not appear in authentic ancient Maya or Aztec traditions. It is tied closely to Victorian fascination with ancient civilizations and later reimagined as powerful spiritual symbols in New Age culture. This is for you to decide. Hi, Terry. Hi, how are you?

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Hi, Annalisa. Hello. Well, my friends. Welcome to my hyperfixation. I'm the one who brought this subject to light. I don't know why. I had never, ever, ever cared about crystal skulls ever. And then something happened last year when I suddenly became obsessed with them. And I mean, are they let's just let's be honest here. I'm very skeptical about the stories, the lore, the 13, the I mean, I love learning about that stuff, but I'm not sure what I buy into. But I do have my own quite extensive collection of these girls. No idea why. But I feel energy. I do feel energy off of them. I know that's part of the crystalline structure. I know that's personalities that I may be projecting onto them. I don't know, but I I doubt I genuinely feel each one has a different kind of personality.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Can you share them with us? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

I bought them from different places, so it's not like there's one place necessarily. This guy I got online, probably an auction that I went through. And I just loved his facial expression. This is Micah? Purple Micah? He looks like a talker. He is. He looks like a talker. I haven't talked with him. This one is lavradorite, and it doesn't, it's not gonna show up, unfortunately. It is gonna do weird things, though. This looks gray, but when you put light on it, it flashes purples. It's really, really cool. Your lovely clear crystal skull almost completely clear. This is a heavier one, hematite. I like that one. Yeah. I like I like the feeling of it too. It doesn't matter the size because this is an itty bitty amethyst one. Now I do buy a lot from a company called Skullis in China, and I I just love their sculpture work. This one has a story. This one actually has a story. Oh, and then I have my ring. What? You are obsessed. I'm a little obsessed. Me getting obsessed about something, that never happens. This little gem, I got into the skull thing, and then I was walking around a crystal uh crystal fair, and I said, All right, if I'm supposed to delve into this or or lead me to it, I want I want to know more about it. I want to meet more of the higher end skulls that are being talked about. Let's see what happens at this crystal fair. That was the intention I set. I started feeling that there was somebody talking to me about it. I'm like, all right, I don't know who you are, but what's what's going on? Walked around this whole fair looking for skulls, couldn't find skulls, couldn't find one. I was like, that's just weird. I mean, I found one or two, but it wasn't like I was drawn to any of them. I literally did one more round and found an entire stand of skull.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

That I walked by the first time around because I was paying attention to one side and didn't see the the guy behind me. So I stopped and laughed at myself, of course, because that was pretty silly. And instantly I wanted to find a very pale lavender one. This is a pale amethyst. I like lobbed on her and grabbed her and started talking to the guy who uh was selling them. He said, She's waiting for you because I haven't sold that one in, you know, she's been around for a long time and haven't sold her. And we started having a conversation about my interest in them, and he's like, Well, I have an ancient skull named Omar, and he sat with the Mitchell Hedges and all the different ones that are famous. He said, I went to a meeting and put her in front of all of them, or him, Omar, in front of all of them, and they apparently exchange energy that way. That's what it said. Kind of like that idea, so I went with it. And then he said, and the little ones that I sell have sat with Omar, who have sat with all the other ones. So it's like this kind of connective web that they create. So I bought her because I liked her. Again, do I buy into all of this? I don't know. I mean, there's some really incredible stories that I hear from them. People have healings, optical things that happen when light hits them. There's a video online where this constant, like purple whiffs of smoke or energy come flying out of this thing, and it doesn't look like it's been tampered with or done. And I don't know. Just some stuff is interesting to me. So I I'm kind of playing with it. So that's my story.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Well, as you were showing them, the feeling that I got with each one was that it has its own energy and personality.

SPEAKER_04 5:10

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_03 5:11

And that if you were to use them in a reading instead of tarot cards, that each one would give you different or lead you to have different information.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Are you psychic? Because I've done that.

SPEAKER_03 5:26

No, the one that I said was a talker. Yes. Literally, that if you were to my feeling is that if you were to use him in a reading, that more more verbal information would come through for you.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Interesting. I do feel it's male. For some reason, I feel genders off of these different crystals. Yeah, I feel more male energy with that one. More male energy with this one. The interesting thing is that it's got it's the only one that has like a carved hole. It could be put on a cane or something. It's very interesting. But yeah, I think you're right. I think that would be an interesting thing to have it. I have sat with a couple of them, not this one particularly, a couple of them during readings, and I feel an enhancement of information. So, I mean, that's what I've been playing with in doing this at all. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

I have a question. Yeah, don't take this wrong way when I say people say this, they people laugh. Does size matter?

SPEAKER_00 6:20

No, that's why I brought out the mini one, because size does not matter at all in terms of skulls. I'll just say that. In terms of skull, it does not matter.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

I just didn't know the bigger, the more powerful.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

No, you'd think that, but apparently not. It doesn't have the same get your mind out of the gutter terrible. Um, sorry. But even this ring, I was I was wearing this ring for a very long time, like consistently. And in the back is kind of a uh, I mean, it's a skull, obviously. So you see a little bit of the face in front of it, but it's not super clear that you see straight through it. It's got some waves to it, and it's not inclusions, it's just some sort of waves because of the carving. And I've done some interesting scrying on this, just this tiny ring. So, again, also I feel this ring has a personality, and I don't know. I you know, maybe my imagination is really good, but it's working. It helps in readings and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

So no, I definitely feel the energy and coming from my viewpoint, because and I'm such a strong believer that everything comes from within, yeah, and that all of our knowledge, I mean, we have all knowledge, all universal knowledge within us, that nothing on out the outside of us can heal us or do anything to raise our consciousness. We're the ones that are responsible for raising our own consciousness through our own experiences.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

I actually believe that's why the the the you know the placebo effect works. That being we're believing it.

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Yeah, that being said, I'm feeling quite a bit of energy coming from each of your skulls, and the energy is all different, and that maybe that energy helps with you connecting with that energy, maybe that energy helps you to facilitate what needs to come, what information needs to come forward for that person. Because what I felt because of the talker, there was also one that was emotional, and so maybe the person you're doing a reading for needs more of emotional energy, more of an emotional connection or information. And so it's I just I mean, we all work with energy, there's energy all around us and crystals for sure, because they come from the earth and they have their own vibration, but they can't heal anyone, in my opinion. They can't heal anyone, they can only facilitate someone's own healing.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

Agreed.

SPEAKER_03 8:40

And that's kind of what I feel I do in readings because I I work on such an emotional level that I facilitate a platform of giving information from loved ones that uh eventually, and for a lot of people, it creates for them a an emotional healing for them.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

That's just kind of like no, do you just put it to words, but I've never been able to. I think that's exactly what we're doing, at least in me, uh my experience. I think. Yeah, I've seen supernatural stuff, and yeah, I believe that there's stuff that we can't explain, but a lot of it is just us. It's just from us. We're more powerful than we think we are, our brain is more extensive than we think it is. Yeah. Um, so everything's a miracle, if you think about it, you know, in that way. I have been having fun getting to know the different personalities because I was not expecting that to be part of the pro you know, part of the process.

SPEAKER_04 9:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

It's almost like I'm hearing little groups of people talking, which you know taps into my mediumship, which makes me kind of um get stronger in that sense. Yeah. Which I enjoy learning about.

SPEAKER_03 9:42

That's very interesting because I I've never had, I mean, I like crystals and different types of rocks and things like that. And I know people that use the crystals and rocks for their healing practices. And I've even had readings where past life information has come through where someone has been a healer in the past, and they used on one of them that I remember specifically is that what they did was they wherever their tribe was, or I don't even know what country it was in, the healer in that person used to put people in, lie, have them lie down in a stream on top of the rocks. And then he would take, and he was a male in that lifetime and would take rocks from the stream and put them on different parts of his body and do healings that way.

SPEAKER_04 10:38

I have I love that.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

I have one more little story. When I went to that gentleman at the Crystal Fair and I had a reading with his Omar, it's big skull, it's huge. I didn't know what was gonna happen, and I didn't, you know, I trusted he was a reader, but I didn't think much of the process that we were doing. I went into a meditation and I went, a movie played in my mind. I don't know if it was a past life or it was just my imagination, but I was a little boy, and my grandfather was teaching me how to use the skulls. And I I mean it was a literal movie during this little meditation that I was doing. And the my sister was my grandmother, my grandmother in this life was my sister in that life, and we were keepers of uh shamanistic uh healing psychic stuff. You know, it was just another another life where I've done this before. And again, my imagination or an actual past life. I don't know. I'm not really strong in the past life field. I don't know, I know some glimpses of past lives, but I don't have like, you know, a technique or a knowledge of a lot of my past lives. It feels like an in-between life to me.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

Oh, that would make sense. That's cool. Because I'm not getting anything on a past life, but I'm I'm getting uh in-between physical lives in another dimension. Awesome. That'd be fun to look at uh look into that more.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

Yeah, it wasn't your imagination. Cool, thank you. Yeah, so you've sold me. Now I have to now I have to get my own skull.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

No, be be drawn to it, find something that makes you go, oh, I want to take you home. Yeah, that's how I do it. Unfortunately, there's a lot I want to take home. Very cool. So what do you guys have you guys read about the story or anything, the Mitchell Hedges one specifically, where she found it? It's a great story. I mean, that poor woman, whether she kept it alive for her own personal reasons or not, it has too many holes in it for me to believe it actually happened the way she was. Was that the daughter of Yeah, the daughter?

SPEAKER_02 12:27

Yeah. And then her dad wrote the book, and then he claimed that he had bought it at an auction or something. Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

He had taken back yeah, it was a whether he pranked her or as a birthday gift or whether it was real, you know. And there's this guy who was selling like in the 19th century, there was this auctioner, uh antique artifact person who was selling these skulls. So they think the even the ones in museums were this guy's most of them were from Sotheby's. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

And auctioned off. Yeah, and made in Germany.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

That poor carver didn't get any kind of recognition. Like, you're in the Smithsonian, you're in like, you know, French museums, British museums. No, we're gonna we're gonna call it something else.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

One of the things that I thought was uh w when I read about the the father writing something completely different in his book, was that back in those days, you know, you had um the patriarchy was very strong and he didn't want credit to go to his female daughter that he wanted to take credit for it.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Here's the other thing, she's not really his biological daughter. Right, adopted daughter. Yeah, yeah. But she stuck to her story the whole time and you know, traveled the world with it. And I mean, if you look at the actual skull, it's an incredible carving. Uh no matter who did it, it's a beautiful the mandible is separated, so you can you know sit them separately. And people I know who have sat in front of it have said they felt stuff of it. And I'm you know, I don't dispute that. I mean, it's clear crystal.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

I have a really interesting reaction to amethysts. Do you? What happens? Well, I think I have told the story before, but for those of you listening that have not heard the story, when I was living in Florida, my son and I drove up to Georgia to go to an amethyst mine to do some digging. We get there, and it's out in the middle of nowhere. They had like a uh a backhoe that had dug a hole in the earth, and then there were people inside the hole, and they were just using their own tools to find the amethysts. We jumped in with everybody else, and we had our little tools and our little bucket and whatnot, and I start digging, and he's digging in one side, and I'm digging on the other side, and I started feeling very, very nauseous, like super nauseous. So I'm like, what the heck is going on? So I get out and I go and find a tree to sit under, and I started to feel better. So I got up and I went back in the hole and I started feeling nauseous all over again. And I'm going, what in the heck? Maybe I didn't eat enough breakfast, or maybe the sun is too hot, or maybe you know, I'm trying to come up with all these. I couldn't stay in the I just couldn't stay in the hole very long. I'd have to keep going out and in and out and in. And I didn't, I was not gonna go home with nothing. So he even said, you know, mom, do you want to just stop? And I said, no, no, no, no, because he was having a blast. He was only like 12 at the time. And I didn't want to take that away from him. And so we stayed there for several hours with me going in and out and in and out and in and out. And so we grabbed our little bucket and we were all done, and we drove all the way home. And the next morning, you know, I kind of just blew it off as maybe I was hungry or something. So the next morning, before he even got up, I went ahead and uh got our bucket, and I was excited about getting them all cleaned up and I put them all in the sink, and I was starting to to wash them and the nausea, oh my god, it just like hit me so hard. Even with a small amount of them, huh?

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Even with a smaller amount of them, yeah. Like surrounded by them, I can understand, but even a small amount.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Yes, I just felt so sick, I couldn't even clean them. He had to end up cleaning them. I was asking around, you know, friends and whatnot about you know, what what do you think that could be? And I was told that amethyst is very good at removing negative energy. So I think what was happening was it was removing the negativity that was within me and it was making me sick. Yeah. That was a lot of years ago. That's incredible. Yeah, because my son is 30 now, he just turned 30, and so he was about 12 at the time, 11 or 12. So yeah, but when I handle amethysts, and I still have a lot of those amethyst little pieces that we got. Yeah, I still have them, and they're in a box. And when I take them out and hold them, I don't feel nauseous anymore, but I do feel energy from them.

SPEAKER_03 16:59

Your energy might not have matched the energy of that's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

Because I had an experience with this is a different crystal, but it was the same kind of thing where I was like, whoa, this is really intense. And I think it's it's um a matching thing more than a you're so filled with negativity that you're being nause being nauseated by this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Yeah, it wasn't that I was filled with so much, but it was it was that I had some and it was pulling it out of me.

SPEAKER_04 17:23

Pulling it out of me.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

Yeah. But I'm I mean, I can hold them now and it doesn't affect me like that. But I do I do feel something, but I it's not like that. That was this the weirdest thing.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

Yeah, I'm allergic to to lavender the the herb. Really? Really frustrating because I love the color so much. So yeah, it's weird when um somebody muscle tested me on it too, and my arm went straight down. And it's weird. It's like it's supposed to help you with headaches, it's supposed to do this and that. It gives me a headache. It makes me nauseous.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Yeah, it's weird. Oh yeah, that's my favorite scent is lavender.

SPEAKER_03 17:57

I took my then three-year-old grandson to the museum. It's the Mosh Museum of Science and History. Yeah. And it was a great place to take him because it was just wide open and he could run around and he could get on all the little things that you can touch and everything. And we went before we left, we went into the store and they had a box of stones, you know, smooth, glossy stones. And he wanted some and they would sell them in these little pouches. You could put as many as you could in this little pouch for five dollars. And so he picked out all the stones that he wanted, put them in the pouch. We went home. This is a three-year-old, okay? Three years old, and we went home, and I had a little box, and I said, Why don't we put your stones in the box? And he said, he put his hand over the stones and and went like this, and he said, Now we need to wash them. Old shaman from years ago, from ancient Egypt.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 19:02

That's what he was in ancient Egypt. What and when the immersive exhibition came through town, do you know what I'm talking about? Like they did it for Monet, and it's a total immersive so they did one on ancient Egypt, and he was just mesmerized, and he was much older. This was, I don't know, a couple of years ago. So he was maybe 11, probably 11, 10, or 11, just completely mesmerized by everything. And he read everything. He wouldn't pass by any kind of exhibit or anything without reading about it. And so I asked him, because he's just kind of taking it all in, and then we went out and sat down, and he was just kind of staring, and he was watching all of the they have like a movie that goes along the walls and it just goes around in a circle, and he was watching everything and all the symbols and everything, and just totally enthralled. And I said, I said, How are you feeling? And you know, kids, you know, okay. I said, Does this feel familiar? Yeah. And then I just dropped it. Wow. I let it go. But he was so into it. That's cool. Isn't that wild? And then there was uh I went to Ireland for I think it was a Youngin' retreat. Yeah, it was for it, yeah, of course it was. It was from the Youngian Institute Institute in New York, I think that's what you call it. And so we did a week-long retreat kind of thing, and it was funny because it was supposed to be on shame and pride. I think that's what it was. On shame and pride. We barely talked about pride the whole time. We talked about shame. That's not surprising, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And so we had our meetings at the Glenstahl Abbey. Now, on the property, close to the building where we went in for every day for whatever we the workshops, there's a cave, a natural cave on the property that's close to the building. And one of the monks had done things on the inside, and they put he put inlaid uh cymbals on the floor and all kinds of stuff. And I'm in there with the the with the pretty much the whole class, and everybody's just walking around, and there was a bench up against the wall. Now it's like the the walls of a cave, and I went to sit down on the bench because I I was getting so dizzy in there and so nauseous that I had to sit down. And I looked around at everybody, and everybody was fine. Nobody was affected by the energy of the cave. And when I came back, I talked to Abram about it, and he said that is one of the caves that has 110 hertz. Vibrating at 110 Hertz. And he was saying that there are natural caves like that, but there are also caves that ETs way back when kind of infused that energy, that 110 hertz, into the area in caves. So this might have been a natural phenomenon or something else, who knows? But I know that I was affected by the energy inside that cave, and it was so overpowering.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Have you tried connecting to that hertz uh again in other ways? Like uh a tape that might have sounds that are Tom has done that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:38

Oh wow. Yeah, and he's done other meditation tapes for me or just given me the sound of like 40, 432 hertz. 432, uh 110 hertz. And with all of them, because my body is not used to feeling that type of energy, that that vibration, that it takes me a while to get used to it on one of the 432 hertz. With it, I had to listen to it maybe a couple of minutes at a time until I could listen to the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 23:09

Just so my body could get used to that vibration, that energy.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

Sound is very, very, very, very powerful. It is very, very powerful. It is. I like to listen to those too, but I don't like the ones that have the music that intertwines with it. I just want to hear, I just want to hear the tone.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

Yes. Yes. I'm so glad you said that. I thought I was going nuts. I thought, oh, you know, you're being picky. But no, I really would rather just have that sound.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

I'm not going to mention any names or the name of this particular kind of whistle, but there were different whistles being sold to help people, the sound of it would help people feel at peace and love, and selling these whistles for I saw it at $50 some places, $98 some other places. A whistle. It's in the note of C. What? The note of C. Okay. Go on YouTube to listen to the note C for free.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

I can play it on my ukulele. I'll play it on my ukulele. One of my favorite notes. It's a good note. It's called middle C for a reason. Yeah, I'll save it.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

In the middle of the keyboard.

unknown 24:26

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

Go up and occupy it again. This is what just aggravates me to no end, is all the grifting that goes on.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

New age circles.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

There's enough misinformation out there. We do not need to be buying into all this. You know, don't be so gullible. Yeah, don't be so gullible. I like magic stories just like the next person. I really do. And sometimes I really hope they're true. But but I'm also thinking, you know.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

Being a medium and all of the experiences that I've had, I'm truly a realist.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

I am so skeptical about so many things. I piss people off. You know, I'm the one I'm the one that's that's had the you know the ET stuff.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

And I here I am a person who claims to talk to the dead, and I'll go on a ghost hunt and go, yeah, that's the refrigerator. That's not a ghost. You know, like I'm the one debunking stuff. And I pissed off a friend, and I love him to death, but uh, he was showing me all this um uh different kind of evidence that he got, and he was so excited about it, and I didn't want to say anything because I was like, I'm not hearing or seeing what you're hearing or seeing, I'm just not getting it, you know. And I had to be honest about it that I wasn't, I'm not saying it's wrong or it's not real or whatever. I'm just saying I'm not getting it. Oh my god, like I burst his balloon.

SPEAKER_04 25:51

Aw.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

I've been on not many because I don't need to go on ghost hunts or somewhere to talk to somebody in spirit. Yeah, no, because it's energy and time and distance have are not relevant. You could do it by a picture if you wanted to see exactly. And I've been with people, it's happened more than once, where they say, Oh my god, can you feel the energy over there? No, no, I don't. Did you see that man standing over there? Not feeling anything. Maybe only when you're supposed to see him.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Exactly. I'm not saying that it's not happening, but I'm not experiencing it. And maybe if you're experiencing it, you're tuned in differently.

SPEAKER_03 26:31

Something different, whether it's imagination or yeah, that person is meant to see something and me not. But exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 26:40

A lot of times actually, yeah, I'm not feeling it.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

Sorry. I was in a hunt with another medium, and I never met her before, and she had gotten a whole story going. This man is telling her about this, and they're doing that, and and she created like a narrative, and everyone was sitting around listening to her, like this is the most incredible evidence I've ever heard of. And I'm like, she's a storyteller, and it's great and it's fun, but I'm not at all getting what she's getting. And she went off on how the this particular place, and you may know who what place it is after I say this, they have tricks inside their cafe. So a bar stool will very slowly start moving down. And if you're drunk, probably not gonna feel it. But if you're sitting there, you're gonna sense stuff. And then all of a sudden the lights start swaying altogether. And it's like, I looked at the bartender, I'm like, what the heck's going on? And he looked at me and goes, Oh, you actually you actually noticed that it's not real. I'm like, well, right here it's not real. I mean, I'm like, I'm going up and down on the stool. He goes, Yeah, and he didn't explain to me what the the tricks that they were doing, the hydraulics that they have going on. That is so cool. Yeah. I thought it was fun. I didn't hate it, I didn't think it was awful because well, I guess because I didn't buy into it, but I was like, that's that's pretty smart to get people like kind of involved, kind of into it by doing something physical to them. I love that bar. I know people might be upset by the the fact that they use tricks and stuff, but if you go in kind of knowing it, you're you don't have a problem because it's just fun. Um, if you're going seriously looking for a haunted experience, I think you'll find that too, because I do think it is haunted, but it's not completely what what they use is not completely uh organic, let's say.

SPEAKER_03 28:29

The ghost tours that they have in St. Augustine. I went on one when we had company from up north, and I wasn't getting anything that they were saying. Like the graveyard that we went past, I wasn't seeing anything in the graveyard, but I was seeing people walking along the sidewalk from the 1920s.

SPEAKER_04 28:51

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 28:52

And then I had gone back when another we had another visitor. I mean, we were a bed and breakfast for a long time, not seriously, but bed and breakfast to our friends. They would want to come down to Florida and they would stay with us. And and so I went with one of our friends to uh St. Augustine and went into the lighthouse. And it's not, they do ghost tours. You can pay with certain groups to go into the lighthouse, but I think I've mentioned this before, it's not the lighthouse that's haunted, or the spirits don't hang out there. But when we went into the little museum place I have, I was getting all kinds of people in there. And there are spirits in the town that like to take care of the tourists, and so uh there was a like a group of five of them, and they just like to make sure everybody's having a nice time. And I haven't seen them the last few times that I've been to St. Augustine, but you're not gonna find them in typical places sometimes. Yeah, I think you're right, you know, and if you go to a graveyard, they're gonna show up because you're there.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Exactly. Thank you. For years I've been saying that. I don't go to graveyards. I mean, if you're dead, do you want to hang out in a graveyard? No, you're gonna hang out where your people are. I mean, I'm going to Europe. I don't know about you guys. If I'm gonna haunt something, it's gonna be it's gonna be someplace nice. We gotta go together. Disneyland, the castles. Yeah, I want to go visit the castles. Some luxury hotels, maybe. All right, so winding our way back to the crystal skulls. Uh, we we should change our name from hippie chicks to ADHD chicks. There you go. So doesn't matter the material. Oops, let's get that. It can be any material, whatever you're drawn to. It can be I've actually seen uh a person who works with crystal skulls use the glass or acrylic ones also.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

Really?

SPEAKER_00 30:58

I don't feel anything from them personally. That's just me. I tend to really like uh something made out of crystal that that we perceive as stone kind of stuff. Um, but apparently you can channel with those too.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

Well that just that just goes to that just proves that it's uh it's you that's doing it. It's it's I agree. You're just you know using that as a I don't even know if it could be using it as a tool, but it's a point of connection, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

Focus is it's a focus of connection. And I and it helps. I mean, it helps to have something uh to focus on. And if for you it's a skull or if it's uh uh an amorphous crystal, a crystal that doesn't have a carving, it could be anything. Tarot cards, absolutely, same thing. And there's enough energy on tarot cards just from global energy of people having been using them for so many years that there's enough to tap into there too.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Hmm. And Lisa, you do tarot cards too, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:51

Mm-hmm. I do.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

That'd be something fun to do.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Yeah, I love I love them. I love antique cards. So again, with my collection of skulls, I have a collection of antique oracle cards and tarot cards. And there are different vibes, and by vibes I don't mean like spooky vibes. I mean literally the card is blunt on some of these oracle decks because they were all about what's gonna happen tomorrow. They were not about philosophical things like the tarot is can be more philosophical about what you what you learn, what you engage with.

SPEAKER_03 32:21

All right, so the quartz of these supposedly 13 um crystal skulls quartz likely came from Brazil or Madagascar, and the carving style matched techniques used in German lapidary workshops. No crystal skull has ever been discovered during a documented archaeological excavation. And most researchers now believe the famous skulls were produced in the late 1800s in places such as, and please forgive me if I'm mispronouncing this, Edar Oberstein, Germany, a Center for Quartz Carving. I should pull out one of these episodes. I should pull out my magazines, my life magazines from 1951.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

Oh my god, you have those? That's cool.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

I've I've got two from around my birthday and talk about the stuff going on back then. Right? Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

If it wasn't World War I, it was World War II, it was the depression, you know. I mean, it goes and goes and goes. There's always been something we've had to deal with.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Yeah, we're like cockroaches, though you can't kill us off.

SPEAKER_04 33:38

And then we keep many ideas. We keep multiplying.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

Apparently, I miss that boat. I miss that ticket.

SPEAKER_03 33:47

We're like locusts on the earth.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

Yeah, yeah. Swarm in, swarm out. And then think of the poor earth like, are these people ever just gonna stop being parasites? Oh my god. Like, like that's the thing I heard about somebody's like the earth has there's a theory that the earth has fallen apart and come back and fallen apart many, many, many times, and it will happen again. Uh and it's always because of the parasitic uh human race, basically, that keeps doing it.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

So here we go again. I think we get off balance and we have to correct that. And this is our this is our correction phase.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

I agree. Someone's doing crazy stuff outside. I think the correction phase gets better each time. I think we do learn, maybe not enough as we would like. Maybe we're not as as a group leveling up as much as we could, but I do think it does grow.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

Humans are not um very what I was gonna say just completely left my head. Um, we're not quick learners.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

I do that.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

We're not talking, yeah, we're not quick learners. No, we're not. Sometimes we have to go through the same crap over and over again.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

Very Goldilocks.

SPEAKER_03 35:01

Oh. And then you have the younger, younger generation coming up behind us who hasn't had our experiences. And so the history that we may have learned from is lost on them. Yeah. Not that that's it's not a dig on them or anything, but they're gonna create reality, it's different than what we've experienced. Very different, yeah. So maybe this this reality still is just a cycle of individuals coming back time and time and time again and learning so they can move on, and everybody has to do that. But when do we collectively learn something?

SPEAKER_00 35:42

Well, and that's it. This playground that we're on is apparently one of the harder ones, right? It's kind of the hardest one. There are other dimensions, other I mean, if you believe what we believe, there's other stuff than just what's here. And you know, I keep getting information that we're kind of a sport that they watch, they're watching what we do next and what's happening, and they're on our side cheering. It's not it's not like a blood sport necessarily, although it feels like that. So if that's just one little tiny drop in an ocean of dimensions and experiences, and who knows what else is out there that we've experienced that we just don't remember because we come here because we're trying to learn it without the benefit of knowing there's more. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

I don't like the I don't like the word to learn. I think I I I use the word experience. Experience is better, you're right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Yeah, but um it's just experiences that we're supposed to be here for. Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 36:43

And this isn't like a video game.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

Yeah, it looks like a video game.

SPEAKER_02 36:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:48

I think that too. I mean, I went through the process of a sense of oh, it's karma, and karma means this. And then I don't believe that anymore. I don't believe it's like you you do something screwy here and then you come back and it's done to you. I don't necessarily believe that. I believe that you experience different things.

SPEAKER_03 37:02

I have a very skewed idea of karma.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

Yeah. And then then there's some people that say karma doesn't even exist anymore. It's like it's gone.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

So I I don't know. I didn't grow up with the concept. That concept was new, newly I I was reading about it as a teenager and it scared me. I'm like, oh, I don't want to be someone who did something bad in the past life and something now bad is gonna happen to me because of that. You know, it was one of those things where when you're learning, when you're getting into new age, when you're learning all these different realities and stuff, that you can get scared off real easily.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

To me, the idea, the the original idea of karma is like it's the same punishment and reward system that people attribute to G O D.

unknown 37:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

Again, very limited, restrictive, and quite honestly, not what I believe.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

Is that a word we're not supposed to say? G O D?

SPEAKER_03 38:01

I'm just taking my chance, uh, you know, covering my bases. Like when I blurted out the F-word. Which will be taken out and posts. There's so many code words now. I mean, unable to self-delete. I Googled the other day why do the lesser known podcasts, why are we censored so much when some of the larger podcasts can say anything that they want to?

SPEAKER_02 38:29

Why because of monetary reasons. Exactly. Um sponsor you are, yeah. Money, money. Yep, yep, yep. It's all about money. Yeah, it always is right. All right, I'll be good. I hate this place.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

Help me off this planet. The place sucks. I never should have came here. I need to get better at astral projection.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

Oh my god. All right. I gotta I gotta go, I gotta go crystal, crystal skull shopping.

SPEAKER_00 39:05

I've created a monster. I love it. Have fun. Have fun feeling them. I mean, I go into crystal stores and I literally will like feel them all. Sure, they look at me crazy. And you know, also you can choose by um by material, whatever you like. Like if you absolutely love shungite, get some shungite skulls. If you love uh amethysts, whatever it is. I would think you would need to feel them and touch them first. Yeah, that's what I think. I I haven't been when I purchased them online, obviously, but I've never been disappointed because I think you can also be like, ooh, I zone in on this one, you know. I I think that happens.

SPEAKER_03 39:43

There's a crystal place that's about an hour from Jacksonville. And they're only online. I can't remember the name of it. I'll have to look it up and maybe put it in um in the description. And we went there. I took our meetup group. I was there. Did you go? Do you remember the name of the place? Nope. That was a long time ago. It was, it was a long time ago. And they had us there on a Saturday. They opened their doors on a Saturday. They were so sweet, they were so accommodating and so glad to have us there. And I'm sure we all spent a ton of money there too.

SPEAKER_04 40:29

Yes, we didn't.

SPEAKER_03 40:31

I'm sure they were happy to be even more. And it was so nice for them to open their doors for the meetup group. That's cool. And Tom picked up, it was a it was a big crystal, and when he picked it up, he picked it up and and was bringing it toward him. He said there was a shot of energy. He could see the light coming out of it that went right to him. Nobody else saw it, nobody else felt it, but he said it was there was so much energy coming from that crystal, and it was a big one. And did you buy it?

SPEAKER_01 41:08

Did you buy anybody?

SPEAKER_03 41:10

Oh no, you know how much that thing was? That was $300 or something.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Only $300? Oh, that's actually not bad.

SPEAKER_03 41:16

Well, that was years ago.

SPEAKER_00 41:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

But they would go on, like go out to Arizona. I think every year they have some kind of what is it, Terry?

SPEAKER_00 41:28

It's the Crystal Fair. Tucson is a major show where you everyone from everywhere comes and and sells their crystals. And it's I want to go there. I'm not a I'm not someone who sells crystals, so I I mean I don't know if it's worth it for the general public, but I would love to just walk around those stalls. And it's huge, it's not just one place, it's like hotel, hotel, hotel. It's it's a very big event every year.

SPEAKER_03 41:52

The owner would go on these buying trips and he would select them himself. And so I trusted everything that they had there. I agree. Handpicked, absolutely. I'll have to try and remember the name. Yeah, I don't remember. Because that was a that was a really nice place. And they're only online.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

Mm-hmm. That's we got to go through all their we got to go through all their stuff and just pick out what we wanted.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

It was really cool. That would have what a fun meetup that is. Oh, and and they had something to drink for us. Yeah, they rock cookies and snacks.

SPEAKER_02 42:23

They're very nice people.

SPEAKER_03 42:24

Yeah, exceptionally.

SPEAKER_02 42:26

They made a good a good little chunk of change on us for sure. Hey, it was worth it for them, and that was smart of them to do that.

SPEAKER_03 42:32

Yeah. And it was good for us too. So it was win-win. Nice little road trip. Yeah. Yeah, it was.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

Ladies, why don't we live next door to each other? I know. Speaking of road trips, we need to do hippie chicks on the run.

SPEAKER_04 42:47

We need to do There you go.

SPEAKER_02 42:50

I still want to go to Sedona one day. Me too. That's what we should do.

SPEAKER_00 42:54

We should meet someplace. Like meet someplace cool like that. Well, not this July, but next July.

SPEAKER_03 43:00

Let's go. All right. I'm down. Me too. You heard it here, folks. Yep. All right. Anything else? I don't think so. Go out and bicycles.

SPEAKER_00 43:13

Or not. It's okay.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

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