The Body Never Lies: How Trauma Lives Within Us

The Body Never Lies: How Trauma Lives Within Us explores the reality that trauma is not only a memory held in the mind—it can become a physical response pattern carried within the body for years, even decades. In this episode, we discuss how the nervous system is wired for survival through fight, flight, freeze, and fawn responses, and how unresolved experiences can continue shaping emotions, behaviors, relationships, and physical health long after the original event has passed. * May be triggering for some.

We explore common signs of stored trauma, including chronic tension, hypervigilance, emotional numbness, anxiety, fatigue, people-pleasing, and feeling disconnected from oneself. The conversation also dives into emotional suppression, the lasting effects of childhood trauma, and how trauma can sometimes become intertwined with identity itself.

This episode is an honest conversation about survival, the mind-body connection, and what it means to begin recognizing the patterns we carry. Because the body often speaks long before the mind fully understands.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Metaphysical Hippie Chicks 2.0. I'm Susanna Maseri, Psychic Medium and author of Living Beyond Death. My co-hosts are Psychic Medium Annalise Bastiani and ET experiencer Terry Scalia. We focus on grounded, honest conversations about consciousness, mediumship, channeling, ETs, psychology, and modern spiritual culture. Thank you for joining us. Welcome back, everyone. Thank you for being here. If you're new, welcome. Today we are going to talk about the body and trauma. Why do people feel fear, anxiety, or tension long after a traumatic event is over? And why can someone move on mentally but still feel emotionally or physically affected? Now, we are not therapists. We are going to have a very honest conversation, and we're going to talk about how every living thing has a will to survive. And because trauma is not only a memory, it can also become a physical response pattern within the body. The nervous system, and we have a great nervous system, is geared towards survival through fight, flight, freeze, and fawn responses, just to name a few. The body can remain in survival mode for many years, even decades, long after the danger or traumatic event has passed, which is why trauma responses are often automatic and unconscious. The memory of a trauma can live in the subconscious and in turn manifest in the body as disruption, disease, disorder, or injury. Welcome, Terry and Annalisa. Hi guys. Hello. How's it going? Trauma. Most of us have experienced trauma. Sometimes the trauma doesn't land really in a traumatic way, but it's there. And sometimes that traumatic event, because it may be closely tied to your emotions, may be living in your subconscious and affecting your body, your emotions, and how you perceive things. And one of the most common, I think, would be fibromyalgia. And I've known several people with fibromyalgia, and it's not. It's not fun. And there were so many years that people suffered, mostly women, because there's 75% of diagnosed cases are women. You know how we are. We we're the emotional, uh, we hang on to things. And for so many years, the medical profession thought it was all in our heads. Yeah. Just like everything else.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

Hysteria.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

Mm-hmm. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

There's an insane asylum waiting for you, crazy woman.

SPEAKER_02 2:50

And that's like through the 60s. I mean, yeah, I know. Women were put away for far less.

SPEAKER_03 2:56

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

Just send them to bedlam. Mm-hmm. Did you ever see that one? Yeah. Well, then they can harvest your hair for wigs without asking.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

And you could be put in there for because uh the men wanted a divorce. Yep. You can't take care of the kids.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

Mm-mm. Being lesbian. So there's yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Not giving your husband sex?

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Yep. Mm-hmm. All of that. It's a wonder more didn't go postal. I know.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

Just thinking. Yeah, it's it's amazing that it's rare that women are um serial kids.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

Yeah, not that it doesn't happen, but it's rare. And sometimes sometimes you can go, I can see that.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

Like not a not a good response, by the way. So going back to fibromyalgia. Sorry. I know we're also guilty. So good at this.

unknown 3:54

I know.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

What topic? What? You gotta love us. Squirrel.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

Squirrel. Oh. Okay, so with fibromyalgia, it affects people of all genders. The women are still diagnosed more frequently. And not everyone with fibromyalgia has a trauma history, and not everyone who experiences trauma develops fibromyalgia. Genetics, infections, hormonal factors, immune system changes, and other biological factors may also contribute. So studies have linked fibromyalgia with childhood adversity or unfortunate circumstances of the children, emotional trauma, PTSD, chronic stress, physical trauma or injury, major life stressors. Now, stress, stress can cause so many health problems. So many. And it's amazing. It's amazing how the body protects us. We're so adaptable.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 5:01

Human beings are so adaptable that it's almost an unspoken, okay, body's just gonna take this on and we're not gonna let the brain deal with it. And it's almost instantaneous.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

And denial, denial is a oh yeah, a big survival mechanism. It's huge. It works. It does. It does. I mean, for better or for worse, it's protective. Yeah. And our nervous system, this is why I tell people all the time just listen to your body. What does your body say first? Not your mind. What does your body say first? What do you feel in your body? And so we've got the autonomic nervous system, which controls and regulates our organs. It comprises of two sets of nerves, the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous system. So the sympathetic nervous system connects the internal organs to the brain by spinal nerves. And the nerves prepare the organism for stress by increasing the heart, increasing blood flow to the muscles, and decreasing blood flow to the skin. I never knew that. The parasympathetic nervous system are the cranial nerves, primarily the vagus nerve and the lumbar spinal nerve. And when stimulated, these nerves increase digestive secretions and reduces the heartbeat. Do you guys know what the vagus nerve is?

SPEAKER_01 6:19

I've heard of it. Yeah, we've talked about that before in another podcast.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

I'm not like very clear on where it is, but I know it has to do with it's the longest and one of the most important nerves in the body. It runs from the brain stem down through the face, throat, heart, lungs, and digestive tract. And it helps regulate the automatic body functions. It's a major part of the parasympathetic nervous system, which is a system associated with rest, digestion. And then you have the gut brain axis, which is the communication between the brain and the gut, relaxation, recovery, slowing the heart rate, calming after stress, and it helps the body shift out of that fight or flight mode.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

It helps when your vagus nerve gets whacked out, it can wreak havoc in your body. There's different practices that people can do to get it adjusted. Really? We had talked about it before. It is I'm looking at is it somatic practices? That's right. Yeah. Yeah, there's different things you can do to get that aligned. I probably need to do some of that myself. Oh, I'm sure I do.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

That would be interesting.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

We should look into that and offer some more exercises people can do. There's also a thing that stimulates it. Like there's a machine you could it's a device you can use to stimulate it.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

And it's portable. I believe I looked at that at one point and I think it's really expensive. Just a little thing here.

SPEAKER_02 7:49

What's that? Lymphatic nerve drain kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not nerve, lymph lymphatic system drain.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

Right. What is that thing? Like you can put it on top of a bed or something and grounding, Matt.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

What's that?

SPEAKER_01 8:02

So you know, you've heard of grounding, right? When you walk outside barefoot and your feet touch some grass. Yeah, you touch the earth and touch the grass and and because there's magnetic energy in the earth, and we need to have that grounding experience because it grounds us, because we are energetic as well, and we have electrical components to us. So they they make these grounding mats for lazy people who don't want to go outside and walk around. Perfect. Sounds like me.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

I don't want to go out in nature. I'll just rely down on this mat. I'm a city girl. I'm a city girl. Nature tries to kill me every time I go in it. So I think I'm a city girl.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Yeah. So I I bought one of those mattress things in.

SPEAKER_02 8:44

I used it for a while.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

So what it does is, you know how your electrical outlets, it has the three-prong, little round one at the bottom is the grounding one. Well, they took that off of the plug so that you're just no, wait, it's the opposite. Oh crap, what is it? I think maybe that's the one I'd have to look at the plug, but one of those uh prongs are is eliminated.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

Yeah, and it's for the purpose of you being grounding.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

Yes. So you're getting the grounding energy through the grounding mat that you're laying off. That sounds a little dangerous.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Just don't use it during the thunderstorm with lightning.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

A little terrifying. I mean, it there's studies been done on it. I mean, you can Google it. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of information out there for grounding and why it's good. There's actually a documentary, I think it's called grounding or something about grounding. There's a documentary on it's fascinating, and it's supposed to have a lot of healing properties, you know, your to heal your body.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

I've heard it works. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

I mean, there's there's a lot of testimony from people that have done this. So gosh, you know, like anything we can do to make life better. Because you know, little kids, man, they run around outside barefoot all the time. They're very, very grounded little people. And as adults, we start going, Yeah, you know, I'm uh I'm not walking around outside. Yeah, I got reality TV shows I gotta watch.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

Watch my shows.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

All right, so there's some basic physical signs of stored trauma, like what? Chronic muscle tension, uh-oh, jaw clenching, digestive problems, fatigue, hypervigilance, sleep problems, panic attacks, dizziness or dissociation, unexplained aches and pains. That covers it all. Are you sure you're not reading the diary? Oh my god. Let's add hypoglycemia to that.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

There is there is a very specific hypoglycemia that I have experienced called reactive hypoglycemia. And I went to an endocrinologist and he's like, this'll all go away when your stress goes away. Like, gee, thanks.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

I'm gonna tell this, but it's going to be very redacted of my recent experience and revelation. Now, you guys know when my son was born, two months after he was born, I came down with like it's a flu. I know symptoms of hypoglycemia. And I had that until he was about 14. And then it went away. It went away for 15 years. And then after my first grandchild was born, wouldn't you know it, at two months, the symptoms back again, almost to the day.

SPEAKER_03 11:40

That's why.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

So, and I've had it since. So that it's been 14 years since I've had it again. So I knew and I've known all along that this was energetic, but I didn't know how to put all the pieces together. Just this past weekend, I had a a huge revelation and I was having a conversation with someone, and we were talking about what happened around my son's birth. And she said, Did anything bad happen in the labor room? And I said, No, nothing happened. I said, Everything was great. I said, But wait a minute, something happened before. And I don't know exactly what it's called. I call it trauma witness. The trauma didn't happen to me, but it happened to the girl that I was sharing the room with. And I really won't go into details about that, but it was traumatic for me watching what was happening to her. I thought, well, what happened around my grandson's birth? And there's a portion I'm just gonna leave out. But the major portion of it is that in the first two months of his birth, and I was watching him after six weeks, that I was taken back basically into the energy of when when I had him after I got home, because my circumstances were not ideal. I had many hardships, but life goes on. I moved here, had a career, raised my child as a single parent, everything hunky-dory, but hear that hypoglycemia came back. I put the two traumas together that has just been kind of roaming around in my subconscious. That when you think something traumatic like that, it may not be that traumatic, it's just life, but it really does hit you emotionally as a trauma. And you carry that around. You carry that around in your subconscious. I mean, you go on with your life, and those are just memories, but those memories are full of emotion, and those memories have impact. And they had a huge impact on me during the events that happened, and they were just events, it was just life, but it was still within me, and I put two to two together and it was like holy moly gave me a whole new perspective. It gave me the next day, I felt like I had completely relaxed within my body. I felt renewed, I felt brand new, and all it took was the act of letting go. And I want to say this to people who might say, Well, you just forgave yourself. Well, that's what forgiveness is, is letting go. To me, that's what forgiveness is. It's not actually forgiving, it's being able to let go of the situation. Yeah, it's being able to let go of the charge of those emotions. So if you guys, I I know you guys have you've experienced trauma. Terry, you had EMDR. Did that help? It did. What does it do? How do you do it and what did it do for you?

SPEAKER_01 14:41

Well, I didn't do it, my therapist did it. And they first discovered it when they were trying to help military members um get over the trauma of war uh with their PTSD. And essentially it's teaching your brain to rewire itself by it's just a simple movement back and forth like this, and you wash your therapist's finger. It's a process. I mean, she talks you into focusing on the thing that you want to correct, the trauma that you don't want to feel trauma about, the event. Um, focus on the event. And she had me like saying a phrase about the event, and then she did the the EMDR, and I think she repeated it like three or four times. And each time she repeated it, I felt better when um when I would think about the trauma, I wouldn't have that reaction that I normally have. And it it just it lessened. And yeah, it it was very helpful for me. But there's a process. I was on YouTube the other day and I was watching. They have like EMDR videos that you can just watch. They have lights too, isn't there like such a follow the lights? Yeah, and I I don't know that I trust that. I've not tried it, but I don't know if I trust it because you really need to be led by a therapist that knows how to do it.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Yeah, it's safer with the that makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

There's so many new therapies out, and we've gone so far in that direction. When I used to get therapy in my 30s, it was just all talk therapy. And there weren't too many trauma therapists around.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

And I can't believe there wasn't a need for it. So that's interesting. Like I said before, we're always adapting as humans. Yeah. So when something has to be tucked under, it gets tucked under fat. Mm-hmm. We're taught to suppress. I had a I forget what kind of doctor it was, but uh a doctor, it might have been an acupuncturist say that a lot of trauma is held behind the knees.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Really?

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Yeah, that that's uh a place to definitely kind of focus on releasing.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

Really?

SPEAKER_02 16:44

We would think it's the back, right? Because the back is your support system, so uh it makes sense that the back would be affected. But she said behind the knees is a big one. Really?

SPEAKER_01 16:53

That's that's interesting. I hadn't heard that before. Because trauma can hide in in multiple places within your body, and it doesn't go away. It doesn't go away, and and it manifests in various ways, illnesses, you know, just for sure all kinds of things in your life and in your body. And you don't even realize sometimes your illnesses could be related to the trauma that you went through that was never resolved. It's gonna come out one way or another. It's patient, yeah. Yeah, it is. It plays long. And waits, yeah, and it causes an illness and kind of to wake you up. Hey, you know, see some grief to deal with.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

Grief is very patient. Exactly. And there's a theory, and this is not necessarily a most loved theory because it kind of blames the victim, but there's a theory that cancer is a result of hidden trauma, unprocessed trauma. Yeah, who knows? I mean, there's so many different cancers and so many people dealing with it that I don't want to say that, oh well, you brought that on yourself. No, I'm not saying that at all. Especially when our air, water, and food is being poisoned.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

So many other components to this. There's a lot of unprocessed stuff that we just keep in our subconscious, you know, like grief and fear and shame, anger. Shame is a big one. Shame is a big one. Shame is huge. Shame is huge.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

It's one thing to be traumatized by seeing something horrific like war or a car accident or something that you were too young to process, or even as an adult. It's another to have it impact you in such a way that you blame yourself.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Yeah. And children do that. When there's a problem in the house, the parents are gonna get divorced, the the children take that on their fault.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

I do that. Every other person that I know that I've been friends with that came from a broken home or domestic stuff going on situations, yes. Situations uh take it on themselves. They I don't know. And that for the children, that shapes their nervous system.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Yep. Mm-hmm. Yes, it does. And for me, I think it shaped it into freeze mode. Like I'm one of those people that freezes. I've had several interactions as a kid where that happened, and instead of fighting it, instead of doing something, I just shut down and disassociated completely. And I didn't know that's what I was doing.

SPEAKER_03 19:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

I I didn't know until I was an an adult that that's what I do sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Because a lot of times I'll fight, not physically fight or anything, but I'll stand up to the person. But a lot of times if it's someone I have an emotional connection to, I'll freeze. Ding ding. And then I'll go home and think, why didn't I say this? Why didn't I say that?

SPEAKER_01 19:34

You know, there's a great book out there called The Body Keeps the Score. Yes. I would highly recommend that to people. Yeah. I've read excerpts, I haven't read the whole thing. Yeah. It explains to you how the body can react to trauma and what to do to correct it. Everybody needs therapy. Everybody needs to go get a therapist right now. Call now. Call your therapist. You know, also there is um there are groups like support groups for people who have experienced trauma, people who were raised by narcissistic parents, all kinds of really great support groups on Meetup. If you haven't heard of Meetup, it's a uh website that people can join different groups depending on what you're interested in, anything from canoeing and hiking and basket weaving, and they have support groups. And I had joined a support group about a year ago, and it was very, very helpful. We met once every two weeks and they do workshops and it's run by professional people and was very, very helpful. So instead of going to your local library or church or or whatever to have a support group in person, which is really a probably a you know a good thing to do, they have these Zoom calls where you know you can have like 15 people and everybody's sharing their story. And the eye-opening thing for me was I learned so much about trauma and what it can do to a person's body, what it can do to your mind, how it affects who you are as an adult in the decisions that you make and all of that stuff. And it was very, very eye-opening to hear other people's stories about what they have gone through. And you don't feel so alone anymore, which is really, really helpful. So that's available too, but it's meetup. And if you have never heard of meetup, it's M-E-E-T-U-P.com. And you know, it's that's so cool. It's another option.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

Yeah. For years it seemed like the only thing that was remotely similar in that kind of group community thing was AA. Yeah. Which I think is brilliant for uh gathering people together to not feel alone and and to face what they are dealing with and not and hold be held accounta accountable, but have the support too.

SPEAKER_03 21:48

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

We learned so many ways to survive when we're kids, especially when we're in very tough situations in the home. And one of The biggest things that I learned was how to read people and how to read a room.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Yep. It gave me so much insight because you're literally reading energy. But if you don't take care of that trauma that gave you that ability.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

No, that means your head's on a swivel 100% of the time, which is heightening hypervigilance, hypervigilance, yeah. I it's interesting because I used to get the comment, she's so she's so mature for her age. She she speaks to adults so well for her age. Well, yeah, I was surrounded only by adults, and two of them were not exactly m not my parents, my parents are fantastic, but they were working, and so the people that they the family that I stayed with while they worked, one was schizophrenic and undiagnosed, and the other was uh careening into Alzheimer's. So reality was kind of an ever-shifting thing. And okay, who's are they gonna be happy today? Are they gonna be are they gonna be angry today? What well how's that gonna go? And am I gonna have to call someone or am I just gonna have to pretend it didn't happen? I never called them. No. It was always just let it happen. Just go with the flow, move with it, goes. And let me just say, I am not blaming a schizophrenic and someone who has Alzheimer's. It was a very unique situation. It was their diseases, it wasn't them. It was just kind of a an eclectic uh grouping of situations that that's just life, right? We say that's just life. Because you can't you don't have someone to blame, there's like this weird, unearthed kind of feeling.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

A strange internal dichotomy that's going on because you can't let go, you know, you can't slay the dragon. And some of the best ways, if you're just beginning to take a look at things and you're still emotionally attached to the events or event that happened, is to take a look at it and take all of the emotion out of it and just see it as an event, just see it as an experience and take all of the emotion out of it and see how you feel and see how your body feels when you do that. And it may take practice because we're so hooked into that loop of keeping the emotions attached.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

Yeah, there's I'm sorry, go ahead. No, you go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

That's all right.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

No, just no, I forgot. You sound like me.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Oh. That's okay.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

Way too relatable. Way too relatable.

SPEAKER_03 24:31

Oh God.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

All right, so so we've had that conditioning, you know, in childhood trauma, uh, that early experiences shape the nervous system. Children absorb emotional environments deeply. Survival patterns formed in childhood may continue in adulthood. Duh. People may normalize stress because it feels familiar. And what we do with stress is that we get used to that level of stress that we have, and then we think we can pile on more stress, and then we get used to that, and then we up the ante with more stress and we get used to that and thinking that's normal, and we can get ourselves in a whole lot of trouble physically and mentally. We don't recognize that.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

Because there's a feeling of if I can't handle this, then everything will the world will surpass me. Things will surpass me. If I have to stop and take care of myself, then the world keeps going on and I'll be behind in some way. It's keeping up with the Joneses in a lot of ways that keeps us in that frame of mind.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

So I asked about the spiritual perspective of trauma. The body is not the enemy, it is communicating all the time. The body is communicating. All the time your body is communicating to you. It's talking to you. Practice talking to your body. It is talking to you. Practice talking to your body. Symptoms may be signals rather than punishment. Healing can involve learning to feel safe in the body again. Nature, silence, grounding, breath, creativity, and authentic connection can help reconnect people to themselves. That's another thing. We tend to disconnect ourselves from ourselves. Like we do with nature, we disconnect ourselves from nature. Think we're separate from nature, but we're not. And I have known people who identify with their trauma and identify with being ill. One in particular person I can remember that I knew her for 17 years, and she was sick the whole time with different ailments for 17 years. And that was her identity. Her illness. I've known people like that. Yeah. Her identity.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

Mm-hmm. And they wear it with like a badge of honor. Yeah. Yes. That's the odd part. It's like you get to a point where you don't even want to talk to them anymore because it's all about this ailment or that ailment. We're not talking about old people here. We're just talking about normal people, like people in their 30s and whatever. They identify with it.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

I think they discovered early on that the squeaky wheel gets the oil. You know, like if they complain, if they victimize themselves, then someone's going to pay attention.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Yeah, that's that's the key. Attention.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Yeah. That victim mentality is that that's a dangerous thing. When you're little and you are the victim, and then you carry that victimhood into adulthood. I was a victim for many, many, many, many, many, many years. But there comes a day where you have to look at yourself and say, why did this happen to me? And how do I prevent these types of things from happening to me moving forward? And that's a whole other process. But you have to take responsibility. I had a hard time taking responsibility for it. I wanted to blame other people. I was the victim. And one day I woke up and went, oh, wait a minute. You know, I have to take responsibility for my part in making those decisions that I needed to wake up and say, wait a minute, this is wrong and stop it from happening, which I finally eventually I did do that. It was very, very hard. I thought I was gonna die before that happened, but look what you overcame. Oh, it yeah. And and it just ended up making me a a stronger person. But but once you start taking responsibility and really looking at things and taking responsibility for your actions and how your actions played into the the drama that that is going on in your life, that's when the healing starts, you know, because because as long as you keep that victim mentality, you're gonna draw people to you that are going to victimize you.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

You have to do that.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

That's that's all energetic. So it took me a lot of a lot of years to figure that out.

SPEAKER_02 28:44

But I'm still working through that.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

Like I'm I had a lot of work that I had to do on myself. And being alone, I had the time to devote to doing that. Not having another person thrown in the mix that's gonna complicate things. I'm perfectly happy being by myself.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

Yeah, and that's not something I expected to feel.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

All right. So um a lot of people, not some, a lot of people, unconsciously build identities around survival. They become hyper independent, uh, people pleasing, perfectionism, emotional numbness can be adaptive responsive. Healing may involve rediscovering who you are underneath the survival patterns. Most people don't want to take a look at that.

SPEAKER_02 29:34

I think that's a very there's a depth to that that's uh so scary that it takes uh a long while to get to that point, I think.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

Yeah, yeah. I don't think I don't think responsibility too, like to represent. I don't think I'm there yet. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

All right, but so well worth it. It's a process.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

It's a lifelong process.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

It is yes, and it's mean like oh, I'm done. Yep, it's ongoing, never ending, yeah, till the till the day you leave his earth.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

Yeah. My friend that I was talking with, she had an epiphany as I was putting everything together because she came from a very use of home, and she associated her back problems, which she's had two back surgeries. She associated that with the severe punishment that she received. Kind of mimics it on the back. So, and she's just as old as I am, and she's probably been carrying that around since high school. It just means it was time to come up. And timing is everything too. It is, because you have to be in the right place to receive that, I think. So, just as a disclaimer, not every illness or symptom is caused by trauma.

SPEAKER_03 30:51

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Trauma discussion should not replace medical care or mental health support. And the mind-body connection is complex and individual. And we are not therapists. That's right. Thank you. So, approaches can be therapy, somatic practices, breath work, meditation, exercise and movement, time in nature. But the most important thing is connecting with the energy. You can go back, but be careful. You can go back and visit that energy without being involved with it. You can be the observer and take a look at that energy and ask the energy, because everything's consciousness and everything is energy, and ask that energy what you can do for it for it to leave. Now, what I'm doing with the revelation that I had is that I'm telling that experience, all of the experiences uh surrounding both births, is that I love you and you no longer serve me, and it's time for you to go. I broke the connection. So now I'm saying you can leave. You don't serve me anymore. You can leave. I I think that's really cool. But it takes takes a lot of inner work, emotional awareness. It takes a lot of taking responsibility for your life, it takes a lot of looking at things honestly and really trying to figure it out because it's all going to be for the betterment of you for every person that does this that that can do that. And you can't force anything. I've been thinking about this and wondering about this and knowing that it was an energetic thing. For 14 years I've been trying to figure this out because I knew there was something there. Something energetic, and I just didn't know what. Couldn't put my finger on it, couldn't put the pieces together. I had all the pieces, I just couldn't put it together.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Oh God. It's exhausting doing all this work. I know. It's like we just want to eat ice cream. I know.

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We're ready to wrap this up. Yeah, yeah. Well, we've we've already gone through several different tangents, I'm sure. I know, I know. But to end on chocolate. Heal everything with chocolate. That's that's the premise of that. That's right.

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Chocolate heals everything. Uh healing uh uh other healing approaches would be journaling, creative expression. Go dance, dance. Rest and nervous system regulation, safe relationships and community. Be with people who love you and support you. And healing is not about being coming perfect. None of us are perfect. And the body often carries what the voice could not express. Awareness is the beginning of change. Listening to the body with compassion may reveal what has been buried for years. We are responsible for what we create in our lives, but responsibility is different from shame. What if your body is not betraying you? What if it's been trying to protect you all along? Talk to your body. All right, everybody. Right on. We love and appreciate you, and we will see you next time. Thank you so much for spending time with us today. If this episode resonated with you, please follow, turn on notifications, and share it on your favorite social platforms. And tag us so we can grow this community together. We love you, we appreciate you, and we will see you next time.