Thinking About Seeing a Medium? Start Here

What is a medium, and how is mediumship different from being psychic? Why do people seek out mediums? Can everyone develop mediumship? And how do you know if a medium is genuine?

In this episode of Metaphysical Hippie Chicks 2.0, we answer some of the most common questions people ask about mediums and mediumship. We discuss what evidential mediumship is, how to choose a reputable medium, common misconceptions, and the warning signs to watch out for when seeking a reading.

Whether you’re simply curious, considering your first reading, or exploring your own intuitive abilities, this conversation offers a grounded, honest look at mediumship without sensationalism or fear.

In our follow-up episode, we’ll explore what happens at the moment of death, how consciousness transitions, and what life is like in spirit form.

Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for educational and entertainment purposes only. The discussions presented reflect the personal experiences, opinions, and beliefs of the hosts and guests regarding mediumship, consciousness, death, dying, grief, and afterlife communication. These conversations are not intended to replace professional medical, mental health, legal, financial, or spiritual guidance. Listener discretion is advised, as some topics may be emotionally sensitive.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Spiritual culture. Thank you for joining us. Welcome everyone. Hello, Terry. Hello, Annalisa. Hello. Today we are diving into one of the most fascinating and often misunderstood subjects, mediumship. We'll be answering some questions people ask most often, including what is mediumship, why do people seek out a medium? How do you choose a reputable medium? And is everyone a medium? In our follow-up episode, we'll explore what happens at the moment of death, how the body transitions, what consciousness experiences after physical death, and what it means to exist in spirit form. Our goal isn't to convince anyone what to believe, but to share our experiences, answer common questions, and encourage you to think critically as you explore the subject. So let's get started.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Alrighty. Here we go. What's the difference between a psychic and a medium? I think all mediums are psychic, but not all psychics are mediums. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 1:14

True. Like a psychic would be someone who could give you information about what's going on in your life and what's going on in your past, maybe what a potential future could look like, whereas a medium is talking to spirits and other entities.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Psychics, they use energy just like we do. It's just not connecting with people in spirit or guides or other entities. And the predictions that they may make about the future is only one possibility. So if they predict something and it doesn't come true, doesn't mean that they were wrong. It just means that things change. You may make different choices that will bring you a different outcome because what they're seeing is one possibility out of a sea of possibilities.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

No, they can be they can be really dangerous because if you tell someone, hey, you know, I see this thing in your future and this is going to happen within the next six months and it doesn't happen, what could that do to a person? Yeah. Depending on what it is.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

It makes them make different choices, even.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Yeah, you have to make sure you explain to them that this is just a probability.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Or a possibility.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Oh yeah, possibility.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

And one thing is no one ever can predict someone's death.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Right. That's just not it. I'm not God.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

No. A lot of people would disagree with us in saying that we choose our time of death and that it's in our design, our life design of how we're going to die and when we're going to die. That's not always written in stone. Because we have free will on a very uh subconscious and unconscious level, we can change that. So we don't it's so unpredictable that nobody can predict when someone is going to die. And I've been asked that. When is so-and-so gonna die? I thought I can't tell you that.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

It's just like I'm not gonna tell you lottery numbers. That's that's true. You can tell me. I'm not gonna get them anyway. I'll give you a bunch of numbers, but I think ask AI what the most popular numbers are.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

Exactly. I've done that.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Does it work?

SPEAKER_01 3:34

I haven't played the numbers yet. But it's told me what numbers haven't been played in a long time.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

I like that. So I'll have to share those with a casino with my cell phone. Another question that I get all the time is everyone a medium? And that's kind of a loaded question. It is.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

It is. I guess the potential is there.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

I mean we all can feel energy, we can all sense energy, we can all sense when there is a spirit around. If you're aware enough, some people don't care and they won't f feel uh anyone around them, even if there are people around them in spirit. But in a sense, let me just read what I wrote down.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

I write so much better than I speak. Everyone has the capacity to perceive and work with energy. We all have intuition, and many people have experience sensing the presence of a loved one in spirit, guide, angelic, or other non-physical being. In that sense, the potential for mediumship awareness exists within all of us. The difference is that a practicing medium has developed this natural ability through experience, training, and validation to intentionally communicate with those in the spirit world and accurately interpret the information they receive. Just as everyone has vocal cords, not everyone becomes a professional singer. Everyone has intuitive and mediumistic potential, but not everyone chooses to cultivate or use it in the same way.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

I absolutely agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

My pet peeve is when someone has had a few experiences, they've sensed spirit or they've had a visitation in a dream state. Things that are maybe a common occurrence between all people because we have our instincts and our intuition and we can feel energy, but then call themselves a medium. Yeah. So it makes them special. It does. And I've been excited when I have met someone who say they are a medium, and I say, Oh great, let's exchange readings. And so I'll do a reading, and then I'll say, Well, you know, why don't you schedule me? Let's schedule me uh for you to do a reading for me. Well, I've never done a reading before.

SPEAKER_00 6:16

Oh my god. Scanner. They just wanted a reading.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

Wow. And these people present themselves on social media as mediums. God, that's annoying. And that is that is my pet peeve. Don't call yourself a medium unless you have done the work.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

The training. There's training.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

Yeah, it's a lifelong process.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

Yeah. Yeah. So so let's talk about the training involved in that because I want to have mediumship abilities. And I well, I do have mediumship abilities, but I want to develop the volume for it. Develop them. And there are so many classes or you know, training out there. And I'm scared I I'm scared, well, years ago when I was looking into it to to doing it. I was scared that I was gonna find something that somebody was just gonna take my money and not teach me anything.

SPEAKER_03 7:17

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

So what do you recommend as far as how to find a a good training? What am I trying to say?

SPEAKER_01 7:25

I know what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

I know what you're saying too.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

It's word of mouth a lot of times. I trust word of mouth more than I trust somebody's, you know, big ad on social media. I think you have to be drawn to it. I think you have to find what works for you because I had plenty of opportunities here in my neck of the woods, and I didn't feel like I was the right match for them, and then I found what I was the right match for me in Florida. Which didn't make any sense. It made no sense at all. The Berkeley Psychic Institute is right across the day, you know. Here I am flying to Florida. You know, I mean it kind of I think your gut should li lead you in some of this. And I think and sometimes uh this is gonna be controversial. Sometimes you don't need to pay money to take classes. But I will say the classes helped me immensely with finding the volume button. Because my problem at the time was I'm feeling overwhelmed by this stuff and I don't know how to control it. I don't know how to keep people from waking me up at night. I don't have I don't know how to do certain things. If you as a general public person just want to be able to talk to your loved one, I think you can do that. You don't have to become a trained medium to do that. There are things you can learn to do. A lot of it starts with meditation. I think we'll probably all three agree on that. Meditation is one of the key ways to open up all psychic ability, especially mediumship.

SPEAKER_02 8:56

And that's what I want that I want to be able to meditate and concentrate, focus on meditation, but my ADHD.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

And exactly. And I always tell people that a meditation doesn't have to be you sitting in silence, it can be you walking, it can be you washing dishes, it can be another activity that could puts you in the alpha, I think it's alpha zone to get you out of this.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

That's what gardening does for me. Yeah, I'm an active meditator, so I can easily get into a zone washing the dishes, mowing the grass, gardening.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

So when you say you get into a zone when you're washing dishes and doing doing gardening, are you when you're in that zone, is your mind just going all over the place, or is it is it actually being focused on I'm not focused on anything.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Neither am I. No, it's almost a distraction. I shuffle cards. So it's like the the distraction of paying attention to making sure that the cards aren't gonna fall and you're shuffling them, kind of detracts my brain from doing the oh, let's look over here, let's look over here, let's look, you know. Keeping some kind of focus, physical focus, helps me with the mental focus.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

A lot of it too is just paying attention and being aware and not discounting anything. It's that's a big one. For an example, my cousin died last night. Oh, and she had a extremely rough life. We weren't that close. We were close when she was a teenager, an early adult, but we weren't close in the later years, but had an extremely difficult life. And while I was writing things up for the show, doing some show notes, she came through and I was getting information from her. I could feel her, I knew it was her. She's actually here right now.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

I can feel her too.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

And we were having this telepathic conversation, and even as long as I've been doing this, it was like, okay, am I making this stuff up?

SPEAKER_00 11:11

Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Because it's in your own voice. Right. It's in your own voice. But I'm not going to discount it. I'm just gonna take that question. Um you know, is this me or is it really her? And that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Don't discount.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

Do you have any connection? Does she have any connection to cartwheels? Was she like someone when you were younger? Did you guys Oh, I don't know. That's weird. For some reason she's all she's younger than me.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Okay. She's like two years younger than me, so I'm 75, so she was she's somewhere in the early 70s.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

This is this would have been when you were younger. This I see a younger person kind of just cartwheels.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

I did not. At least never did any good ones. Yeah, me either. I think maybe that's just her way of saying, look, I'm free of the body, you know, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Yeah, I I'm getting a really uh her presence is really strong right now.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Um she's very interested in what we're doing here.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

Well tell her, tell her if she has any advice, please share. Come on and share it.

SPEAKER_01 12:27

Let me see if I'm getting anything from her. She's taking notes. So she's got a notepad. She's taking notes. Okay. So anyway, so yes, be aware. Just pay attention. That's one of the first things that would help people greatly is to pay attention and don't discount anything.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

That's a really hard one because I think immediately uh we were tech we are conditioned to go, oh, that's not real. Or that didn't happen. Because it's our way of discerning life, basically, is yeah, what what you buy into, what you don't buy into. But it took me a while. I again for me, it's writing things down. I have to write things down. Uh only in retrospect do I look back and go, oh, oh, that's connected to this. Oh, look at that. You know, I mean you connect the dots more when you have something in front of you.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

All right. So is there a difference between an evidential medium and a psychic medium?

SPEAKER_00 13:21

That comes up a lot lately, evidential medium. Like a regular medium is not evidential.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

It's it's just another way for people to separate themselves and put the message out there that they're special. Yep. If you are a medium, you already are psychic. And if you are a medium, you have to give evidence. Otherwise, you're not going to be able to are doing a reading.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

Like, how else would you get people to come back to you unless you proved by evidence that you brought somebody through?

SPEAKER_01 13:51

So calling yourself an evidential medium is just a shiny new title to draw people in. Because you have to give evidence. And if you're giving fluffy information, then it's not evidence. That's not it's not evidence. I just had a reading.

SPEAKER_02 14:13

Yeah, generic claditude. Generic stuff that could apply to anybody.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

Yeah, love and light stuff.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

I just had a reading with someone I'd never had done a reading for before, and the first thing that comes up is her mother. And I'm like, I have your mom. Is your mom passed away? She's like, Yeah. And I said, It's not like, hi, honey, I love you. It's I did the best that I could. And her response was, Did you, mom? Really? Did you? And I realized if I had come through with there's so much love and she's happy and blah, blah, blah, you wouldn't have believed me. She's like, You're right. I would have hung up the phone. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

You gotta tell it like it is. Tell it like it is. When I did that one reading with when that gentleman was passing away, and his family was wondering why is he not passing? Why is he still alive? Why is he hanging on? He's not even conscious. And what I picked up from this old man was, I will effing go when I'm ready to effing go. And I'm like, say that. What you can I attempt with that a little? Do you really want me to say that's a horrible thing to say? And then I did it. I actually had to tell him. And they went, Oh my god, that sounds exactly like what something would say.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Yep. That's usually what that's for. That's usually why it's exactly the way you hear it. I was horrified. I'm like, but he's not halfway on the other side. Why would he talk like that?

SPEAKER_01 15:33

It's absolutely part of the evidence. Yeah. I follow uh some end-of-life Facebook pages, and I was reading one about this gentleman who just would not pass. People were doing all kinds of things. They were doing energy work on him, they were gave him permission, they were using stones and all kinds of things to try to get him to pass. And he wouldn't pass. And they're saying, and they kept saying, well, he must be working on stuff. He must not be going because he still has some emotional things to work on. I immediately got the man came through. I immediately got I was gonna go whenever the F I feel like going.

SPEAKER_03 16:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

Same thing. Same thing. They need to leave me alone. And so reading further down, it took him eleven days to go.

SPEAKER_03 16:31

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

And he waited for everybody to leave. Everybody was gone, he was alone, and he passed.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

I hear that a lot, that they would rather be alone when they pass.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

It happens a lot.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

Not that they don't they don't love being surrounded by loved ones, I'm sure a lot of people do, but when you're actually leaving, you feel a pull with all your the sympathy or with all the sadness and the grief of somebody. So you don't want to leave while they're there.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

Yeah, that's the way my mom went just recently.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

You know, sometimes yeah, they don't want to put family through that.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Yeah. I think but what what was weird is before she died, she died just this past Mother's Day. And she was I called her and we did a FaceTime and she was just talking and being all normal and telling jokes and being her normal self and you know, and she was in hospice. But to listen to her and see her, you would think, Oh god, this woman's gonna hang on for months, you know, or maybe even longer. And she got that night.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Yeah, that's the last trial. The surge. Yeah. My dad had one of those. It was really weird. He had been half in and out of consciousness for a few days, and then all of a sudden he was sitting up reading the paper when I shut up, like, what's going on here? This is wild. And then within a couple of days he was gone. Yeah. And that's when I learned about the surge.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

I remember a story when I was a teenager. I was friends with this girl and her brother, my brother and me and her brother and her. We we all hung out together, played, you know, we'll play. We were teenagers. But anyway, this kid ended up getting cancer and he died when he was like, I think he was 16. It was really, really sad. But his sister told me that the day before or hours before he died, he was sitting up in bed, he was swinging his legs, you know, and and he was petting the dog, even though the dog wasn't there because this is the hospital. Oh he was petting the dog, the dog that had passed away, and talking to the dog, and you know, and just just lively and just full of life. And then he he went.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

So it was really those are amazing to me when they see people come for them or animals come for them. You you listen to hospice workers, so many stories I've heard from hospice workers. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Yeah, that's crazy. My grandmother, too. She was living with my aunt when she passed, and my aunt, she was in in her bed, and and she was really, really she was on her way out. She but she was still alive. And she heard her she heard my grandmother singing. So she went into the bedroom and she had gotten herself off the bed and she was on her knees and with her hands up and just singing gospel songs.

SPEAKER_03 19:09

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

And she had to help her get back into bed. And when she was laying in bed, my aunt said that she was looking up where the ceiling is, and she was saying, Margaret, look how beautiful. Look at the angels, look how beautiful they are. I love that. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it just oh it's incredible. It's incredible. It gives me hope that it is a beautiful thing. That passing can be a very beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

I think Steve Jobs said the same thing about look how beautiful, look how beautiful right before he died. He said, Oh wow, oh wow. Oh wow, wow, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Yeah, and my dad was talking to people, I think, oh, when right before he died. I wasn't there when he died, but yeah, he was talking to people, like people who weren't alive anymore. It's so fascinating, isn't it? It's just really incredibly fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

All right, why do people come to a medium?

SPEAKER_00 20:05

Connection.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

Because they're looking for love.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

Looking for If only there was dating from the other side, yes. I would like can I like, you know, request certain things? It'd be like from the 18th century.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

I did get an email from a guy who wanted to know if I could get his ex back for him. His dead ex back? Or just his ex. Just his ex.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Did not specify.

SPEAKER_02 20:38

Oh, Jesus. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

And I I said, no, I don't do that. I can't do that. Don't do that. Don't touch that. That's nope.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

She left me for a reason. I think she left you for a reason. Yeah, they're it's done for a reason.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

It's time for some self-reflection.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

Oh, they're starting to hearing that sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

But pe people people need connection with their loved ones. They're looking for connection. And I've had a few people come to me who are born-again Christians who don't believe in mediums, who were taught that mediums are we're speaking with demons, and they come to me because I'm the last resort, because the grief is so deep. And I had this one woman, I was referred to her by a friend of mine. He didn't tell her anything about me, he didn't tell me anything about her. And I nobody came through in the beginning. It was just silence. But I could feel her daughter. And I uh she told me her daughter had passed, it was three years prior. And she's been in deep grief for those three years, and I wasn't getting anything. And so I was about to reschedule. Her and I started getting information, and it was about a uh pregnancy loss. And I said, Was that you or was that her? And she went, you know, oh my oh my God. And so that opened everything up. And she had told my friend that everything that I told her from her daughter, she said, Did you tell her anything about me? And he said, No, I didn't say a word. And that that I was spot on about her daughter. And she went back to her woman's group at church and told them that she had gone to a medium, and she was at peace. She was completely at peace. She knew that her daughter was still alive, that her consciousness was still alive, that she was out there in whatever dimension that she's in. And those women tried to talk her out of it.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

Of course they did.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

And tell her that I was connecting with demons. But if what came through for her, because it wasn't me giving her the information, you know, I'm just the vessel, what her daughter had to say impacted her so profoundly that it gave her peace. Why not let her have her peace?

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Right. Because that's not their agenda. I I hate hearing stories like that. I I'm not surprised by them, but they believe in prophecy. If it's couched in a certain way, sure, it's okay. It's biblical. But if you say you're going to a medium, that's demonic. And I don't understand I mean, I understand because that's just the way they're indoctrinated, but it's so sad. It's just so sad.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Same with atheism. I mean, there's no problem with being atheist. I agree with atheists a lot of the times, if not most of the times. But when it's so militant that you're going to take somebody else's piece away, believe what you want to believe, but why are you trying to force it on somebody else?

SPEAKER_01 23:59

Yeah. So the things that that I came up with was most people come after the loss of a loved one, hoping for evidence that their family member, loved one, or pet still exists. Many are seeking comfort, closure, connection, or reassurance that their loved one is at peace. I get that a lot. Are they okay? Are they at peace? I've had a lot of people come just out of curiosity, or they're just open to whomever comes through.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. If they don't have an intention and they just say, Oh, you know, just whomever comes through. Yeah. Sometimes when the intention isn't there, I have to work at it a little bit harder to get it going. Sometimes I have to use the psychic part of me to get things going, to see what direction they really want to go into if they don't really know in the beginning.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

You just nailed that for me because I always feel, even when it's a reading, like just whatever comes up. I have to work harder on that. I don't like to do those. I want you to have some sort of intention because it's just a flow. It's an easier connection, it's an easier flow. The same with mediumship, and you're absolutely right. It's a it's an intention thing. Because I thought it was, well, if I do that, let's say who who's gonna come through. And I get nothing a lot of the times. I have to like pull to see if there's someone who wants to come through. I'm not here to to knock on your loved one's door. Your loved one has to want to come through, and you have to want them to come through on some level. So I'm always asking the client beforehand, have that person in mind. Maybe hold something of theirs if you have somebody that you want to talk to specifically. I can't guarantee I'll bring that person through, but that's gonna make the process so much easier.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

Yes. If I have to use the psychic part of me, I'll say, just ask me a question. Let's get it started, let's get the energy going. Ask me a specific question. Have two or three specific questions that I can tap into, and then that'll get the energy going. And those kind of readings make you work.

SPEAKER_00 26:08

Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with working for it, but there's so much more efficiency to having an intention behind it. And I enjoy the flow more. I uh there I there's a physical feel that I get when the flow is there, as opposed to when it's kind of rocky or or broken up.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

Yeah. Now when I can feel people around, but they don't give me any information, it's usually a sign that it's not the right time for that person to have the reading. Uh that happened with a woman, and she didn't give me any background information, but not I got nothing. I could feel her son with me. Zero information, nothing. Silence. And I said, It's ju it's just not time. And she told me that she was gonna take a trip. She wanted to do the reading before she took her trip, and I said, It's not the right time. You need to take the trip first.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Ah, interesting.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

And so I scheduled her for after her trip. Come to find out she was going to her son's funeral in another state. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

Oh my goodness. And she didn't happen to mention that. No. And he wanted her to wait. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

It's a grieving process. Yes. The grieving process. Yes. It makes perfect sense now. She would not have been open to what he had to say prior to his funeral. She was so deeply into grief. But going to her his funeral, she was able to process a little bit more and come back, and he was able to give her information that would sit with her, that would sit within her. Whereas prior to the funeral, she wasn't ready to receive anything.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

It wouldn't And you listened. I think that's amazing that you listen to that. I've heard mediums go, Oh, this rule about not coming too soon after somebody's died, you know, I could bring them through any time. Yeah, I get that. That's not the issue. The issue is the grief blocks things, and the grief will make the messages not as clear in my experience.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

So you mean that the depending on how the griefing process, the grieving process is going with the griever with the griever, can prevent the message from coming through clearly?

SPEAKER_01 28:23

No, not no, not the message. The message could be very clear.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

It's the way they receive it.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

It's the way that they're listening and receiving it, that it wouldn't it would, you know, kind of go over their head, or or they wouldn't really be listening, or they're listening for certain things and wanting the reading to be a certain way.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Exactly. It's not because they don't come through, it's because the griever needs time to process the grief. Otherwise, uh it just won't they won't understand the reading. But it all depends on the person, too. It does. It does. That's why it can't be for everyone. Like some people can take it in and be perfectly fine in their pain to to receive it. But I've had readings where I early on where I didn't know I shouldn't do this, where the person was screaming so hard and crying on the phone with me, just sobbing, inconsolable, that no matter what I said, they fought me on. Yes. And I was like, you know, I want to give this to you, but I can't. You're not you're not ready to hear it. You're not ready to hear it.

SPEAKER_02 29:24

It's frustrating for me because my ex-husband's 15-year-old son decided to end his own life here. And my ex-husband is grieving so hard because he feels guilt over that so deeply. I told him one time when I was uh when we were on the phone, I said, Noah is happy, Noah is fine, Noah does not hold anything against you. It's like he didn't want to hear it. It's like, no, I have to I have to blame myself for whatever. And he said, I I said, you know, I have a really good friend who's an amazing medium that you know she that you can talk to and she may be able to bring Noah in for you and you can hear it directly from him. And he said, I'm not ready for that. I'm not ready for that. So it's frustrating because he's drinking himself to death over this. Like literally. I'm surprised he's still alive. Yeah, it's just awful. I want him to not feel that way anymore. But this is his journey, I guess, of you know, I just have to let him let him do this for himself. It's hard to watch when you know that he could hear from Noah himself. Yeah, that Noah does not blame him and is not angry at him. And he said, Noah, Noah hates me, I know he hates me, he hates me, and I'm like, oh my gosh. Yeah. It's heartbreaking.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

It is. Of course, of course. I mean, and and part of our spiritual conundrum is do we help fix that or do we allow him to have that karmic journey? I'm just one of those people that's probably gonna screw up by trying to help.

SPEAKER_02 31:01

Like that's yes, that's when we fix this for you. I know. I I try to do that too, but then I have to stop myself and say that it's not about me, this is about him.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

This is about him and his journey and what he chooses. This is his decision.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah, it's all about him.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

Mm-hmm. All right. So that leads into how do you choose a medium? Find someone who's dedicated to the work.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Yeah. It's all about the work, not about them. That's a difficult thing, but again, your intuition is gonna guide you, I think, a lot a lot of times. First, obviously, talk to people who've had readings and if they like their medium, do they like the experience? You're gonna find sometimes a medium is all about the money, or sometimes a medium may be good, but not a good person. Oh boy, do we know that. Yeah, that's another podcast entirely. Um But I'd say for the most part, the ones that are genuinely there to help are gonna have feedback from people that are saying, hey, this this person was really great.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

I highly, highly recommend the two of you. Highly, highly recommend the two of you. And and and you I mean, listeners, these women are extraordinary. Their abilities are amazing, and they are ethical, and they are honorable, and all the good things that you want in a medium, these women have that. So I highly recommend the the two of you. And I'm not saying that just because I'm your friend. I've seen you in action, I've seen you. So you guys are amazing. So I thank you. Thank you. Both of you.

SPEAKER_01 32:41

Annalisa is the only medium that I will recommend to other people. I feel the same way about Sue. Oh, you just you just froze. Come back, Annalisa, come back. Am I back?

SPEAKER_00 32:54

Am I back?

SPEAKER_01 32:55

Don't go to the light.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

I'm coming, I swear.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

She's got that swirly thing behind her. That's what she's gonna zip right into that swirling. Am I back yet?

SPEAKER_00 33:08

Oh god, sorry about that. Uh, internet be internetting. Oh yeah. All right, so I'm going to Lord.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

I'm going to read what I have written.

unknown 33:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

You look for someone who is genuinely dedicated to the work, not someone who is performative or claims a laundry list of spiritual talents or the ability to channel anyone in the universe. Run away, please, run away. This also applies to psychics and astrologers and channelers. Mediumship is about the client and the loved ones coming through. Our job is to provide evidence, information, and validation so you have no doubt about who is coming through for you. Every medium works differently. Any ethical medium and with integrity will tell you that neither the medium nor the client controls the reading. It is solely in the hands of spirit. You will receive information you need to hear and not necessarily what you want to hear. Run away if a medium tells you that you have negative spirits attached to you and those who charge exceptionally high fees, regardless of how popular they may be. A higher price does not necessarily mean a better medium. Choose someone based on their integrity, ethics, and ability to provide meaningful evidence and not on their celebrity price tag.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

Yep, I totally agree on that one.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

I have checked out several mediums and people who channel. Besides recommending a channel, recommending my husband, Tom Masari. He's top of the list for me. The only other channel that I personally would recommend is Elaine Thorpe in England. Oh, I love her. Oh, I just found her. She's incredible. She is. She channels someone by the name of Jonathan.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

Jonathan. Yeah. And her entire voice changes.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

And it's astounding.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:27

And Tom channels Abram. He's Tom has been channeling for over 53 years. So what are the most asked questions that you get? Annalisa? Like, are my loved ones' friends' pets okay? And are they at peace?

SPEAKER_00 35:42

Definitely get those. Obviously, everyone wants to know how do they land over there? Are they still in pain? Are they still angry? Are they angry with me? Do they miss me as one, which is really weird because that's a hard one to answer. And I have a friend who's a medium and also another person that I would recommend, June Ahern. And she's just like, no, they don't miss you. They watch you all the time. How are they gonna miss you? Well, that will upset people sometimes. It does. It does. And it's wild because they're over there and we're kind of like the TV. They're watching us whenever they want to or don't want to. You know, it's it's their choice. But if we ask for them to show up, they will show up. We don't necessarily feel them. So they're not gonna miss us in that sense. Because the veil for them is thin and the veil for us is pretty thick right now. So we feel it as a loss. They're not feeling it as a loss. That's not to say they don't love you or don't want you to be interacting with them. It's just that the connection now is different.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

I get asked, let's say if they have a mental illness or a physical disability, if they're still struggling with that on the other side.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Not at all. Takes it off like an overcoat. I had one recently where this lovely woman, she was a doctor, and the person who came through was her brother, and he came through like a movie star. I mean, he came through in a tuxedo, like James Bond looking, and and I'm like, this this dude was very good looking. And and I'm explaining this to her, and she's no, well, I mean, he was completely nonverbal his whole life, and and I'm like, I understand what you're saying, but he's coming through like I have never been better. This is how I really am. And then I gave her some other stuff that was more evidential, and then she cried. Like, trust me, they're not gonna come through the same way you expect them to come through. Sometimes he's gonna come through in his wheelchair, maybe, so that you know it's him. And sometimes he's gonna come through like I am great now. There is no problem with my body, no problem with my mind, all as well.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

I had a reading with this woman, and it was her brother. I think it was her brother, same thing. I don't think it was her son, I think it was her brother. And he came through, he showed me being in a garage attached to a house, working on a dirt bike, and that he was dirt biking up up and down hills, he was hiking, he was camping, he was traveling. And I said, What what's the connection with the dirt bike? You know, why does he like this so much? And she said, That's that's not my brother. And I said, Why wouldn't this be your brother? And she had said it because he was wheelchair bound his entire life. And I said, He's not now. He's still he's not in a wheelchair now. He's free of that. He's doing everything that he wished he could have done in life. He's having a grand time using his legs, hiking, camping, on a dirt bike, having a grand old time.

SPEAKER_00 38:45

Mm-hmm. And that's interesting. I don't know if you get this, but when I have a disabled person come through, the first thing they do is show me stuff that they can do now that they couldn't before. Mm-hmm. But a lot of times the client won't connect it because it's not what they're used to.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

Yeah. There's someone I I've done a reading for, and a relative of theirs is bedbound, nonverbal, a lot of disabilities. And I've been able, it's for him, it was very easy for me. I was able to connect with his consciousness. And it wasn't that I was trying to, because you you can't do that. You can't summon someone, you you can invite someone to come in. I didn't need to do that. He was he was ready to talk. And there's been like two or three readings and where he's come through and he's talked about things and what he's learning or experiencing being in that state, in this physical state. Very intelligent young man, and which is amazing. And they think at times he's on the brink of maybe passing, and he's saying, No, not yet. Not yet.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

Wow, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 39:55

Interesting. I've also connected with the consciousness of people who are in comas. Yeah, people don't think that that's possible. It is. Yeah. Yeah. There a lot of times they're out of their body. Mm-hmm. And they are aware of everything that's going on around them. You they definitely hear everything.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

Yeah, I believe that too. Yeah. And some of them will come out of the coma and they'll and they'll say, I overheard this conversation. That yeah. That conversation, and you know, the doctor said this, doctor and the nurses said this.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

That's amazing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

I love listening to near-death experiences of people. Whenever I'm feeling down and and I need to connect and feel that love of the universe, I'll listen to near-death experiences.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

It's so true. I do that too. I mean, and they're all so different. Even the ones that claim that they've went to a darker place, it's been for a reason. Like I thought, oh no, this could mean that's all a dream. But when I hear even the darker ones, it's catapulted them into a different way of thinking and a different way of doing things in life. So there's clearly a healing reason for it. Did you hear the story?

SPEAKER_01 41:07

This was decades ago, about the man who was traveling with his wife in another country. They might have been in Mexico, and he was not a nice man. He was very mean to his wife and family. And he got sick and was on the brink of passing. And he had a near-death experience. And he said that he was in the fiery place.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

In double hockey sticks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:34

Yeah. In double hockey sticks. And that he was being torn. I think he was being this is so long ago, that he was being torn apart.

SPEAKER_00 41:43

I think this is Howard Storm, yeah. I think and he came out of it and became a minister. Yes, yes. That's how it changed his life. That was the first time I ever heard of someone having that kind of afterlife experience where I was like, wait a minute, I don't really believe in hell. What's going on here? Well, he was already kind of living in hell, being who he was. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

I I think that was just a representation of who he was. Right.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

There was a movie that was uh a really good representation of how we create our own world once we leave our body. What dreams become yeah, Robin Williams. I love that movie.

SPEAKER_00 42:22

That is a phenomenal movie. I actually think it's close. Yes, it's very very close.

SPEAKER_02 42:28

Yeah, it's very, very close.

SPEAKER_00 42:29

And you have to understand though, too, I know this is gonna get way too heady, but when they come to us as human, it doesn't mean they're human anymore. They're light form if you were to see them in their actual state. But they come back to show us so I can recognize them probably giving a reading. Oh, this person and I don't see them exactly as they are. I see what they want me to to talk about, like oh, curly hair or blue eyes, or whatever it is that they want me to focus on. But I don't actually uh you can't show me a picture and I'll go, oh, that's that person a hundred percent of the time. Once in a while, I it'll happen, but that's not normal for me. It's usually just like they want me to to focus on one thing so I can give it as evidence. But that what dreams may come, I mean, uh I really loved that movie because I did think a lot of that felt like it rang a bell for me at least. Yeah. I don't know what you guys feel.

SPEAKER_03 43:22

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:23

It's been a long time since I've seen it, but it was very, very good.

SPEAKER_02 43:27

Yeah, that's Bryson and I love that movie. We we've seen it together a few times.

SPEAKER_00 43:32

And the idea that you can create your own space there.

SPEAKER_02 43:35

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

And I you know, there's no time over there, so it doesn't matter how long you stay in that space, and then maybe you evolve to another kind of existence. What they've told me at least is oh, I can build my own house, all I have to do is think about it, I can go to the beach, all I have to do is think about it. You know, all of a sudden your thinking puts you there pretty fast.

SPEAKER_03 43:55

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 43:56

There was another woman that I was doing a reading for her sister had Had been, how do I substitute the M word?

SPEAKER_00 44:04

Deleted by someone else.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

Yes. Right. They were deleted by an ex-boyfriend. And she was showing me where she lived. She was extremely happy. She had this beautiful home on a lake, and she said, I can see the sunrise and the sunset and the moon all over the same lake. It was like I have everything right here. There was no east or west, north or south.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

Yeah. It was how beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

Yeah. I can watch the sunrise. I can watch the sunset. I can see the moon right from my deck.

SPEAKER_02 44:40

I've already planned out what I'm creating. I know, right? Like what am I gonna what am I gonna project?

SPEAKER_01 44:45

I want to see this. Oh, the the house that I keep thinking of, it's in one of the Twilight movies. I think it might be the last one. Ooh. Where they the family built a cabin in the woods. That's my cabin.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

I know that's what you're talking about. Mm-hmm. That is beautiful. That's my cabin. Mine's either gonna be a castle or a Victorian, like the practical magic house. I love that. I love that Victorian.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

Mine's gonna be a cabin too. It's gonna be on a beautiful lake and it's gonna be surrounded by mountains. Always. Mountains and water and forests and lots of animals.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

As long as there aren't any bugs, though. Do I have to have bugs in the afternoon? No, you don't have to have bugs. I don't want I'm sorry, mosquitoes, but you've been invaded my existence for no flies, please. No cockroaches. Just no bed bugs, no mosquitoes. Mosquitoes for me is the number one.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

No cockroaches.

SPEAKER_02 45:38

Cockroaches. I hate cockroaches. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 45:41

I'm sorry, insect world. I'm sorry. It's like I'll get to the afterlife and go, oh, I've missed you. Come crawl on me. I know. Pretty.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

All right. What is the biggest downfall of doing spiritual work? Ego.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

Oh yeah. Yeah. Ego ego. And ego can be, it doesn't have to be kind of like a I'm so great thing. It can be I am not good unless thing. It can be a I get my value from your reaction thing. Yes. Yes. Which is difficult. Yes. Because if you're doing this because you want fame or money or uh some sort of accolade that makes you feel better, then you may not be doing this for the right reasons.

SPEAKER_01 46:29

Absolutely. Absolutely. And speaking of emotion, there's a big difference between trying to elicit emotion from the client and having that type of manipulation and control.

SPEAKER_00 46:42

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

As opposed to giving them information that causes them to weep. There's a big difference. I should call myself the crying medium because I I'm just like crying?

SPEAKER_02 46:57

Yeah, I don't I don't think I've ever heard her do a reading without crying.

SPEAKER_00 47:01

I get emotional. I do, it depends on this emotional. But I will start to tear up, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Yeah. I mean, sometimes the the energy of the people coming through, the intensity of their love just fills me. And it's like all I can do is shed a tear.

unknown 47:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

Because it is so intense and so beautiful. And I just wish that I could give that feeling to the client.

SPEAKER_02 47:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

Now there was a reading, I don't want to go intoo much detail because uh this is a really good friend of mine, and this was quite a while ago. And I don't want to give too much identifying information. I doubt if anybody knows them. But her son, she and her husband had a lot of problems with their son, emotional problems, and probably ADHD and all of that was mixed in there and so forth. A very different child. He went to another country after he graduated college. He went to another country to teach English. He took a year off in that other country so he could learn the language before he began teaching. He's a professor, teaches English. And he's married, they have a child, and in the reading, his past life information came through that he was from the same country, but in a different part of it that was a dictatorship at the time. Well, it still is. And he was a general, kind of that stature, in their army, and he had fallen in love and wanted to get married. And his superiors told him, sure, go ahead, leave the army. Go ahead, get married. He did that, and this is the past life that I'm seeing. He did that, married the woman he was in love with, she was pregnant, and they erased her.

SPEAKER_00 48:54

What?

SPEAKER_01 48:55

As a punishment for him leaving the army.

SPEAKER_00 48:58

So it took her and the baby.

SPEAKER_01 49:00

So now he's married to the same woman. They've had a child and they're living their best life in that country that is independent. There's a part of the same country that still has a dictator. So I'm crying immensely over the sadness of what happened because this man, as a general, in this past life, fell in love and wanted to marry and have a family, and that was taken away from him. So beautiful. That needs to be a movie. And I was just, I was sobbing because I'm feeling all of this.

SPEAKER_02 49:38

Of course.

SPEAKER_01 49:39

I'm feeling all of the emotions of this. And my friend afterwards, she said, I'm so sorry to put you through that. I said, No, that's fine. That's how I work. It's a release. It's all it is. You know, that's how I work. I feel the emotions of the people coming through. I feel the emotions of the information that I'm getting. I said, once it's over, it's gone. I don't hold on to that stuff. It's gone.

SPEAKER_02 50:06

It validates that uh we don't really lose anyone.

SPEAKER_01 50:09

Exactly. Yeah. They got to have a do-over. Yeah. Yeah. It was one of the most incredible readings I have ever done for anyone.

SPEAKER_02 50:17

Yeah, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

It was beautiful. It was truly beautiful. So what I have written down is I think a lot of it comes down to ego. Throughout history, people have taken ancient ideas, given them new names, and presented them as if they were groundbreaking discoveries. Sometimes it's to appear more knowledgeable, innovative, or to stand out from everyone else. Oh Lord, have we seen that on social media?

SPEAKER_00 50:44

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:45

You'll see well-known personalities package these shiny new concepts into books, courses, or programs, making people feel as though they're gaining access to some exclusive secret. But if you look closely, many of these ideas have been around for hundreds, sometimes thousands of years. The name may have changed, but the underlying principle often hasn't.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Right. Repackage. In this world, it's so easy to scam people.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

Mm-hmm. Especially now with AI and all the technology that we're getting. It's it's a little it's a little wild west out there.

unknown 51:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

I don't know what's real. It's too close right now.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

I like to watch the videos where people are falling down. Those are those are hilarious. They slide down the driveway on ice.

SPEAKER_00 51:34

Shot and fraud. I love stuff like that. And that is so funny to me.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

So be very careful in choosing a medium channel. Anyone who is very performative, I would I would say that's a big red flag.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

Big red flag.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

Anyone who charges a an enormous amount of money is another big red flag.

SPEAKER_00 51:59

Of course. And it's you know make it reasonable. Make it reasonable and what you think you're worth. But it doesn't have to be like I've seen impossible prices and like uh what are you promising? Yeah, you can't promise stuff. Because you can't promise someone's gonna come through. You can't promise, although there are those I could say I can bring anybody through you want. Uh I find that manipulative.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

I do too. I do too. Yeah, it's performative to me too.

SPEAKER_00 52:23

I can bring through a celebrity. Are you connected to that celebrity? Why would that celebrity want to talk to you? I just don't think that I should be knocking on dead people's doors just because you were a fan.

SPEAKER_01 52:35

Yeah. No, I have had celebrities come through. Me too. There was a woman who was a huge fan of Marilyn Monroe. And she had posters and everything all over her house, and Marilyn Monroe came through for her.

SPEAKER_00 52:49

Oh, I love that. Actually, I've I've had a feeling of Marilyn's energy, and she's incredible.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

You know who else is? Um Janice Joplin loves mediums. Really? Yes. How cool is that? Yeah. John Lennon was coming through a lot of people for a while there. And I believe it. The ones that I had heard, I was like, wow, that's that seems legit actually. Because he was into this before he passed too. I think he was into the spiritual stuff.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:15

I'm sure he was. Seems like that kind of personality.

SPEAKER_00 53:18

Okay. Anything you want to add to that? Try to leave the expectations at the door.

unknown 53:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 53:24

It may not be what you expected to hear, but it's almost a hundred percent always healing in some way. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 53:30

It can be a very healing process and experience, but do not judge and do not expect and do not try to control a reading. Because you do not control the reading, I do not control the reading. Any medium does not control the reading. We don't have any control over the information that's given. We are just here to be the interpreter.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

And in terms of the connection, sometimes if you automatically hear something and go, nope, that'll block the energy. That'll make it at least for me, it's harder for me to connect if you're constantly saying no, nope, nope to something. Yeah. If it's no, I'm wrong, fine. But you can say that without blocking the energy. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:13

Some people don't understand that mediumship is a process, and sometimes it depends on the energy of the person in spirit form when they come through. Sometimes it takes a little bit for the energy to get going, like a fan when you first turn on a fan.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

True.

SPEAKER_01 54:33

Takes a little bit to get going. Some have incredible energy where they come in and it's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. The information is fast and it comes in clearly, they're strong. It all depends. A lot of it depends on the energy of the client. So if you just give yes and no answers, I can work with that, but you're not going to get a complete reading. Yeah. Because once I ask a question, if the answer is yes, because let's say, for an example, someone shows me a package of juicy fruit gum, and I said, What's the connection with the pack of gum? I'll say, Does the gum mean anything to you? Yes. If that's all you're going to give, if that's all you have, okay, I'll move on to see what else they have to say. But if you say, Oh yeah, that was Uncle Joe's favorite gum, and we put the gum in his coffin with him, then that opens the door for more information. It's not like we're fishing for information, it's the doors that are opened through this process.

SPEAKER_00 55:42

Exactly, exactly. Some of the other things that people go through, and this is not their fault, it's gonna happen, is the psychic amnesia. Yes. It happened to me, and I'm a medium. What is that?

SPEAKER_02 55:55

What is that?

SPEAKER_00 55:55

It means someone gives you something and you go, I can't place it, I don't know anything about it. I don't know what you're talking about. And then after the reading, you realize, oh my god, that means this and this and this. Like you'll put it together afterwards. Oh. But at the time, you're kind of leaving the medium hanging because you can't connect it.

SPEAKER_01 56:11

Yeah, you just go blank.

SPEAKER_00 56:13

You go absolutely blank. And I this woman, God bless her, I had to call her ten years later to tell her. I found her again, and I was like, Oh my god, when you said this to me, it was this, and I didn't even see it, and blah blah blah. So she had brought through my grandfather, and I wasn't doing this professionally at the time, I was just kind of someone who was interested in learning about it. She came highly recommended, and she was amazing. And so she kept bringing through my grandfather who said something about a flower. She he's showing me a flower, and I don't even she may have even said the name, but no, if she had said the name, I would have understood it. But she described the flower. She goes, it's a lily of cu some kind, and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, no, flowers, I don't no, flowers are not my thing, so I don't know why he's bringing through that flower. Totally dismissed it. My nickname growing up was Tiger Lily, because I loved Peter Pan so much. If if she'd come through with specifically a Peter Pan reference, that might have clicked. But the flower tiger lily did not transfer to the character tiger lily. And it makes no sense. It's stupid. It's stupid, but that's what the amnesia is like. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:15

Is that the the fault of the grandfather? Maybe maybe if he'd have brought through the Peter Pan?

SPEAKER_00 57:20

If he had showed her a visual of Peter Pan or maybe something Native American and said flower, who knows? Who knows what I would have gotten by that.

SPEAKER_02 57:28

I don't think it's anyone's like, Well, I don't mean I don't mean like fault, yeah, like Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 57:34

No, no, I'm done.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

Oh, there was a woman uh that I was doing a reading for, and her aunt had come through uh with some other family members, and she had a dog with her, but I I didn't I saw the energy of the dog, I didn't see the right actual dog of what it actually actually was. And and I said, This is this is a small dog. No, she was holding a dachshund, that's what it was. She was holding a dochin.

SPEAKER_00 57:58

I love doxies.

SPEAKER_01 58:00

Uh a little brown dachsh. And she said, We didn't have that kind of dog. And I said, Well, she's not giving up. She's holding this dog, and she's not giving up. And she said, No, we we never had a dog like that. We didn't have a small dog like that, and we just went round and round and round, and I wasn't gonna give up on it because the aunt wasn't giving up on it. And I said, This is what she's showing me. And finally, my client said, Well, we had a dog named Link. So the aunt was using the Docsin because they're called sausage dogs.

SPEAKER_00 58:33

Oh, right? Link sausage, trying to combine two things at once.

SPEAKER_01 58:38

I was never gonna get that.

SPEAKER_00 58:40

But she's brilliant. I mean, that the idea of that is kind of brilliant. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:45

It's a weeder dog, it's a dog, we don't sausage. Yeah. I'm seeing a small dog, a dachshund. Uh-huh. So that's reality for me. I'm not I just couldn't get there with the link, but the song is right, right.

SPEAKER_00 59:01

Because we're playing charades. This is charades. It is.

SPEAKER_01 59:05

It is. It's so funny. It's wild.

SPEAKER_00 59:08

It is wild. It's I'm constantly learning what my symbols are, and I'm constantly learning what they bring through. That changes all the time for me. Nothing to to get like super comfortable in, like, oh, it's always gonna mean this. It changes all the time.

SPEAKER_01 59:22

Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. All right, as we wrap this up, any last thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 59:28

I can't think of anything.

SPEAKER_01 59:29

No, me either. Next time we will delve into the dying process and how people transition and what we know of what they tell us about the other side and what we've seen.

SPEAKER_02 59:42

And how can people reach you if they want to be ladies?

SPEAKER_01 59:46

Go ahead, Annalisa.

SPEAKER_00 59:47

Oh, well, I have an email and it's on the website, is it not? On the chicks website. Yes. Yes. Yes, but Annalisa A-N-N-A-L-I-S-A-B-S and Boy 1857 at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

And you can reach me at mediumunplugged.com. Now, our website is a combination of my personal website along with metaphysical hippie chicks two point out website. All right. Thank you for kind. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:19

Yes. Be kind. Be kind.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:21

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