The Rise of Spiritual Conspiracies with Nicole D’Andrea

What happens when spirituality meets conspiracy theories? How do we remain open to extraordinary possibilities without losing our ability to think critically?

In this thought-provoking episode of Metaphysical Hippie Chicks 2.0, returning guest Nicole D’Andrea - Confessions of a Spirit Messenger, joins us for an honest conversation about some of the most talked-about beliefs in modern spirituality. Together, we explore why spiritual conspiracies have become so popular, the importance of healthy discernment, and how to distinguish genuine spiritual exploration from fear, misinformation, and sensationalism.

Topics include spiritual influencers, New Age trends, intuition versus critical thinking, confirmation bias, and practical ways to stay grounded while exploring the mysteries of consciousness.

Whether you’re deeply immersed in the spiritual community or simply curious about today’s metaphysical landscape, this episode encourages open-minded inquiry, thoughtful discussion, and the courage to ask good questions.

The views, opinions, and abilities expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the hosts.

Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and entertainment purposes only and may contain mild language. The information shared is not intended as medical, legal, financial, or mental health advice. Listeners are encouraged to use their own judgment and discernment when considering the topics discussed.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to Metaphysical Hippie Chicks 2.0. I'm Susanna Masteri, Psychic Medium and author of Living Beyond Death. My co-hosts are Psychic Medium Annalise Sebastiani and ET experiencer Terry Scalia. We focus on grounded, honest conversations about consciousness, mediumship, channeling, ET psychology, and modern spiritual culture. Thank you for joining us. Welcome everyone. Hello, Nicole. Hi, Terry. Hi. Hi Annalisa. Hello. Today's episode is one we've been looking forward to because it's a conversation that isn't happening often enough in spiritual circles. Over the last decade, we have seen an explosion of podcasts, social media influencers, online teachers, and self-proclaimed gurus sharing information about spirituality, consciousness, extraterrestrials, healing, and the nature of reality. While much of it is thought-provoking and inspiring, not everyone we hear is grounded in evidence, experience, or even common sense. Today in part one, we're talking about some of the most common conspiracies and questionable beliefs that have become popular in modern spirituality. Our goal isn't to tell you what to believe or to ridicule anyone's experiences. Instead, we want to encourage curiosity, healthy skepticism, and discernment. Being spiritually open-minded doesn't mean believing in everything you hear. It also doesn't mean dismissing every controversial idea. Real discernment lives somewhere in the middle where we're willing to ask questions, evaluate information, and change our minds when new evidence or experience points us in a different direction. We'll explore why conspiracy theories become so appealing, how social media amplifies them, where intuition fits into the picture, and how we can stay spiritually curious without losing our critical thinking skills. So get comfortable and join us as we explore the world of modern spiritual beliefs, practices, and conspiracies. All right, let's dive in.

SPEAKER_04 2:13

Dive in.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

All right, so why don't we get started with frequency? Everything about frequency.

SPEAKER_04 2:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

The idea that illness, emotion, or life event can be explained solely by the vibration or frequency. Everything has a frequency, vibration, everything. Because this is an energetic world as well as an emotional world. So everything is energy. That's number one rule is everything is energy. So while physical properties that can be described in terms of waves or frequencies in some contexts, many broader claims made in spiritual circles are not supported by scientific evidence. Which, you know, that's a that's a fine line because science itself is is kind of a cult in itself.

SPEAKER_04 3:00

Gotcha.

unknown 3:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

I mean, you know, we have the theoretical physicists, and that's just everything is theoretical. And so we can pull science into it a little bit, and we know frequencies are they're everywhere. So any of you want to take the ball and run with this?

SPEAKER_01 3:19

I think that science and spirituality are coming closer together in the scientific world these days. There's a a long way to go still before they're completely integrated, but I think we're on our way. And especially now, I don't know. I I feel like there's a lot of changes going on as far as that's concerned. And yes, everything, everything is frequency. Everything is. However, I don't know that frequency has I just lost my train of thought. Can we move on?

SPEAKER_02 3:51

We're doing real well today. Welcome to my life.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

I've seen people using frequency to explain everything. Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah. And if you're not same frequency with someone, they'll say, you know, your frequency is this and my frequency is that. It was just like, you know.

SPEAKER_04 4:10

It becomes a trend, it becomes fad-like. Yeah, yeah. And then it's lost the kernel that was there. Yeah. Um I I kind of hate anything that's all or nothing. Like all of a sudden now everything is frequency. Yeah, I get I get that on one level, but the pendulum needs to mellow out a bit because I think all of this is combined. Yeah. There isn't just one explain everything.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

But is but it is very important because we wouldn't be here without it. We wouldn't be experiencing without it. You gotta look at the bigger picture. That's a part of it, but there's a lot more to it than that.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

The one thing that kind of is my pet peeve, another pet peeve. Now I'm a believer that we create our own reality, that we come into this life with a design. We have free will, so anything can be changed at any time. But I think starting with the movie What the Belief Do You Know and The Secret, I think it morphed into something to be sold. Right. And it lost its true value that we create our own reality. And it's a shame because it's just money behind it, just driven by money and popularity. And people grabbed onto that. It's also called the law of attraction, which there I believe is a law of attraction, but it is based on every individual, on what our beliefs are, what our perceptions are, what our experiences are. That goes into the whole thing and what of what you attract, because if you don't have good self-esteem, you're going to attract people that validate that lack of self-esteem within you.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

You know, that's what we do. When we become healthier, we make healthier choices, and that's healthier mentally, physically, and spiritually. Then we start to attract different frequencies, different vibrations, different people that are not going to treat us badly that corresponds to our own lack of self-esteem.

SPEAKER_04 6:18

Um what we feel we deserve. Yeah, exactly. And that can be subconscious.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

It's a very simple concept, but most people don't look at that when it comes to what you tell yourself. Your truth, when you send your truth out, you're gonna get your truth back. And if your truth is I'm not worthy, then you're gonna attract back things that make you continue to feel not worthy. That's just the way it works.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

I'm going back to trauma now, childhood trauma, and the way that we as children who experience trauma or difficulties in growing up, a lot of the patterns that we created to survive emotionally and physically turn into patterns as an adult, and we may not even associate the two, which is why I'm such a big believer in just going within and really exploring, getting therapy if you need it. For sure. But it's it's also a lot of times people use that to victim blame. Oh, yeah. And and say, you created your circumstances, it's all your fault.

SPEAKER_04 7:24

When the concepts came out that cancer was something you brought on yourself, and this was like in the late 80s, early 90s. I remember this movement, and I was like, Oh my god, you're blaming people for getting cancer. Like it's something they did to themselves. How do you how is that how is that helpful in any way?

SPEAKER_02 7:38

I mean, that may be in your life designed for you to have that kind of challenge.

SPEAKER_04 7:43

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

But it lacks compassion. Yeah. It's stupid. It's arrogant. Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_04 7:49

It's very arrogant. I find that that happens a lot with something that starts as one thing and then morphs into something, like you said, for more profit, or there's an arrogance that comes soon after, whether it's on the side pro or the side con. Uh when you talk about people who don't believe in any of this stuff. That's like a cult too. Like they absolutely think it's all bullshit. It's sorry, that it's all are not real, it's all made up fantasy, you're crazy, whatever it is. They're not even open like skeptically, which I think you can be, and they just discount all of it. I think that's arrogant too.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

Nicole, I know you have some ideas about this.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Uh, most of the stuff that I have is worth listening to you guys first before I say anything, because everyone comes to these things from a different place, and I want to participate at the right You're free to say what your opinion is. I mean, that's when it comes to well, I guess let me let me back up here. So I know some of you guys already know this, but you know, like I grew up, you always grow up a certain way because your parents uh Catholic church, Catholic school. But even in those places, I had an idea of what the truth is versus what people told me, no matter what. I knew at a young age it's not worth saying anything about because people do these things to each other. It's not a lot of people blame God for things that people do. So I kind of let that all go. And then when I got into the new age stuff, and I've and I did that for a really long time, I jumped into all the different circles, every kind of ism there is, Taoism, all the different new age concepts that blend together but don't actually fit together. At the end of it, when I came out of it and I found myself isolated here in Florida, is when I started to finally look back on it and understand it. And the main concept that I took from all of those different things, because those are all swimming around on the internet and it's all part of the same soup. The one consistency in those systems is people want to have control. If I say to myself, I am what I attract, I have control. But the problem is you say that and you're making the assumption that the person coming at you and abusing you is your fault that they're abusing you, or are they just a human who's opportunist who can recognize that you have a pattern and see? So you didn't attract anything. So it negates the thing is, is you can't in marketing, we call it the spray and pray. You throw a bunch of crap out there and you hope something comes back to you. This is a different context for the same kind of thing. I want all these wonderful, whimsical things, so I'm gonna throw it out there and hope that something comes back, and then if some one thing comes back, that's confirmation that it was all right. You can't have this all, all or nothing. It doesn't confirmation bias. Yeah, it doesn't really like these are human things. It's very human for you to say, religion made me feel powerless. I will go here where I'm powerful. These are human things. So when it comes to these concepts, I have to always remember the human part of it. And that's what all of my downloads for the last at least 11 or 12 years have all been about. So, um, do you guys know who LA Marzuli is? No. Okay, I found him recently. It might be worthwhile to look up. He does dabble in the UFO stuff, he's gonna make some of you mad because he plays with the whole concepts of aliens and the rest of it. But he recently said something that really got my attention. He said, you know, I he did similar to what I did. He explored all these different systems, and then he came out at the end and realized that the point wasn't for him to adopt all of them, it was for him to learn about them and then come out at the end and recognize truth from propaganda of many sorts, and that's kind of where I fall. So, like when you talk about frequency, the concept of itself doesn't even catch me because it's been abused. Exactly. If you're gonna sit there and talk about frequency, you're gonna negate everyone else who experiences the world in a different way.

SPEAKER_03 11:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

It's like saying everything is mathematics, and there are several very creators where they go, Oh, look at this, you can see code if you take DMT and look at this little laser beam. It negates everybody else's experience. And what I've learned from my people is that life is about an experience, it isn't about defining it in one perspective. So when you get these people that dump it in the frequency bucket, now you're an idiot because you do something completely different or you see things different, and they don't want you in their group because you have to agree with them. It becomes the same thing as everything else we all hate.

SPEAKER_04 12:26

Right. It's true. Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

So I always look at it from human versus spirit because you know, from being a medium, you guys all know this. None of this exists there. Nobody talks about it, they don't argue about it. You've been a medium for what, 30 years? Have you ever heard them come through and t preach some crap about never well? Once I got here, I decided that everyone was right about frequency. Like it's it's so human for us to be in that place.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

It is, it is, and I think you've articulated extremely well a large portion of what this is, and I think what we are trying to get across also is that everything is based on our personal experiences. And mine is gonna be different than yours, yours is gonna be different than Annalisa's, uh, you know, everything. We have over eight billion people on this planet, and everyone has their own reality. Everyone has their own way of thinking, everyone has their own way of feeling, everyone has their own way of interpreting knowledge.

SPEAKER_04 13:23

Just the basic car accident theory. Five people say the same car accident, and their descriptions of it are five completely different ways.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

I talked to you about this, Susie, but do you guys know about the NPC thing, the the video game universe theory where people are NPCs?

SPEAKER_04 13:39

Non-playing non-thatic characters, non-playing characters, so like background.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Yes, so like in a video game, there are there's a construct, they're basically taking gaming concepts and applying them to the world and saying my main player is ascended and worldly and all the all the wonderful things, but then the ones that walk by so that you can have like a landscape or like a scenescape of some kind are all they have no consciousness, and that's been brought into a lot of the spiritual stuff. They're like, I can't stand being around all these NPCs, and I'm like, please. No one's conscious but you. That's how we're doing this tonight. Only one, you're the are we all muggles?

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

I don't know, I don't know, but I see a lot of people with big numbers saying stuff like that. I know wild.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

Such a delusion going on, too. Like it's like this group, they find each other, and they're so like into what one person is saying that they create this group, this click, and now everyone is for this person and what this person has to bring. And quite honestly, I mean, no shade, but they seem schizophrenic. Like a couple of people that I watched literally to me seem like they may have schizophrenia, but are very high functioning, and have convinced a lot of these people that they have the answer, and it's frightening. It is.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

Nicole, we've talked about the younger people that are on, and I went through the 60s, 70s, you guys did. I don't know where you fall into that, Nicole.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

I was born in 75.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

Okay. But I know personally I have witnessed everything from the 60s on up until today, and things have changed so much. I don't know, some of the things that were created when I was a young adult, have morphed into something really different. And people take the same ideas and put a new name on it and then make it sound like it's brand new. And oh, I'm so special because I came up with this. And yeah, people need to belong. And I just think that the younger people, as much as I put so much faith in them and for our future, that in the spiritual realm it's gone way, way off track. Way off track. People are gonna hate me for this.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

That's what makes it a great conversation. Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

Is light language.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Oh no. Listen, I'm the one that called you, and I was like, Susie, I gonna you need to see this. Please tell me what you think. I want it to be real, and it's just wow.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

Well, you know what? It is real to the people who are doing it.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Everything is real to everybody that's doing whatever they're doing. Yeah, it is real too. And then it's just a show. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

That's the discernment piece of it.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

Exactly. There was a woman who taught her daughter, she was something like 10 years old, and had her daughter on YouTube doing it. Evangelicals have been doing it for quite a while.

SPEAKER_04 16:41

It's called speaking in tongues, glossalalia. And honestly, I I did a bit of a deep dive because I wanted to know. I knew people who were in a church, and she said she grew up doing it. And I said, Is that real? Like, was that real? She's like, Um, you start off doing it and making it up, and then you go into a headspace, like a a trance almost a vibration trance, exactly. And that's what that really is. And I said, Well, that's fascinating because I think you can do that with chanting, you can do that with all sorts of dance drumming. So that made more sense to me when she explained it that way.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

And and it's like some of the um the ancient tribes, and they're dancing and they're chanting and getting into that zone. And when you're like that, and and whatever energy comes through, that's real. I yeah, I can believe that. When people do that, it's real, and but I just don't see that. I don't feel it. I'm not feeling it either. I don't feel it.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

I gotta speak to what Annalisa said about the the religious aspect of it. So I I have a friend who grew up with a father who was like a pastor in a Pentecostal church. This is their whole bag. This is what they do. But if you actually look at the Bible and see what it says, exactly, they don't say that the person spoke a special language, they say that all the people there heard their own language. Their own language becomes about understanding. And as my understanding, the mediumship is about connection, communication, and understanding. In order for me to accept that that's true and real, I need to believe that your motivation is for me to understand and not for you to look special, set apart, and performative. Yes. And that is what's being presented. So it's not even a matter of is it real or is it not real? To me, it's how much of this is designed to make you the center stage and how much of it is to for the people around you to be able to understand on some level. Because if that's what you're doing, you're not doing anything. You're just making yourself into a sideshow that gets lots of clicks and likes.

SPEAKER_04 18:37

Yeah, I agree with that. I agree. I remember while I was doing my deep dive in into the light language, and there was a I think was it Pentecostal? I I'm not really sure which nomination. I forgot what I was gonna say. Let's move on.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

Well, I guess like the whole conversation, all the things that you have listed on the the topics, they all kind of go back to the same place as if it's the social media aspect of life in general has created a movement where everyone's an expert even without credentials or experience. And that bugs me. Listen, how many times have you seen recipes where they're putting a bunch of crap in a pan and they throw it in there and it comes out like you cooked everything? I'm like, okay, we have to start having a chance. Everybody's so creative now. Yeah, that chick. Yes, I love her. I love her. She's hilarious. Have you seen her, Susie? Everyone's so creative, everyone's so creative.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

Who is this? I've never seen her.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

I don't know her name, but she does like the little you know figure with the video in the background, and she's like, Oh, I see you're putting ketchup all over that macaroni. That sounds delicious, and it she just goes on and it's hilarious.

SPEAKER_04 19:42

The whole she's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

But it's the same kind of idea. Yeah, you're putting that. You're not even gonna take the the tape off of that, okay? Oh, you're gonna cook it with the plastic. Okay. So did you see the guy who puts the pot package of hot dogs on the groove? That's the one I was thinking of. It's like, did I just see what I think I just yeah, you did. You did.

SPEAKER_04 20:00

Melted plastic.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Oh my god. And he's like, look how good they come out.

SPEAKER_04 20:04

And he ate them, and I was like, Wow, let's check back in a couple of hours and see how he's doing.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

But it's it's like that's what the culture of the internet has created. And people that are younger, who either had absent parents, parents that didn't care, parents that worked, without a specific kind of guidance in life, children are going to grow up in a world that they have to make sense of. And if they see people as an example doing that, how are they to know if it's not good or not? They got 10,000 likes on that. Must be pretty good. Let me try it.

SPEAKER_04 20:35

So true.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Now you're blowing up things in your microwave and you don't know why. Because no one settled, doesn't go in a microwave.

SPEAKER_04 20:41

That is so true. Because it used to be the TV where people were like, you kid, you're using the TV as a babysitter. How can you do that? Like that was my generation. We're like, you know, you're putting kids in front of TV and they're gonna learn the wrong thing. Now the internet is everything, everything all at once, and they're able to see it. And that's terrifying as a parent. I would I'm not a parent, but holy crap, how do you regulate that?

SPEAKER_00 21:00

But that's why the younger people are having trouble. It's yeah. When I first was thinking about this topic today, and I was like, she asked me about if I had pet peeves. And I mean, I have a couple of hills that I'm willing to die on, but I don't want to start arguments, but at the same time, I almost went at it with a very big creator who happens to be a makeup influencer, by the way. Oh, no, I wasn't who she started trashing Ed and Lorraine Warren. Oh but without those two people, you would not even have a ton. They kicked down the door, they had the bravery to go on and publicly say things that they knew would get them crucified because of what they were saying. And and it ends up being like I had a lot of her people coming over to my page and hating on me because I tagged her. I was like, I'm gonna tag you. If I'm you said this thing, I'm gonna tag you. She started basically saying they were terrible people, blah blah blah blah blah. That's another situation where I feel like media. Media, public opinion, performative stuff gets so far around the truth that you don't know the truth anymore. And now these people aren't even alive to defend themselves. That was my biggest problem.

SPEAKER_04 22:12

Except her daughter has to deal with it now and her son-in-law have to deal with it.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

I got a pet peeve with that too.

SPEAKER_04 22:18

Oh, talk, talk.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

You guys know what's going on with this? Am I the only one who's like a nerd about this? Okay, I'm a nerd. Okay, so I love Lorraine Warren, is I love her to pieces. Even in spirit, I feel her sometimes when I'm asking questions. She is yes, and she's honest and she wants to do the right thing always, very conscientious. That that's a the way she is. When I see people taking what they created and ruining it, it makes me nuts. Their home, which became the Warren Museum.

SPEAKER_04 22:47

Oh, I do know this. Oh, I remember it.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

This isn't meant to be a museum.

SPEAKER_04 22:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

They took things from cases where really terrible paranormal things happened. And instead of busting the, you know, it's like burning a Ouija board, you set everything free, that mentality, they put it in a place where they kind of created a halo over it so that it wouldn't be able to affect or harm, do any more harm. On a base level, do no harm is the least you can expect from people, right? Well, now the property's been sold. And the items themselves are not owned by the people who bought the property, they're rented. Now, Judy, who is Lorraine's daughter, never had participated in any of it. So if you see the movies and you see her depicted in them, she never did any of that stuff. She was separate from it. She didn't wasn't interested in it. The guy she married is not her first husband, it's her second husband. He's never done anything either. But if you go on YouTube, he's interviewing the Warrens like he's been there for every every investigation, and he wasn't. He just found a way to capitalize on what they were doing and sold it to them as I'm gonna put you out there in your true form. Oh, wow. Now I'm watching all this play out, and I'm like, you have to be kidding me. They have a grandson. Judy had a son with her first husband. His name's Chris McKinnell. He is now trying to step forward to reclaim that legacy of his grandparents. That is everything was bought and sold. This is your pet peeve, too, Susie. Everything was meant for making money. They sold the rights to everything. When Lorraine started to get older and she started to get a little bit more like symptoms of dementia, they took over. And it's all in the name of the Almighty Dollar. There's even a cameo of Judy and Tony Sperra in the last conjuring movie. They're just in it because they needed to be look at us, we're in a movie. To me, that is desecration of everything that those people stood for. All they wanted to do was help people. Hi, I don't know what's going on. I'm having nightmares, my daughter's getting thrown across the floor, whatever, even if you don't believe it. They just wanted to go over there and make them feel better. If it wasn't, there wasn't anything there, they would tell them. So they took all this really good pioneering spiritual work and they turned it into a circus. And now that property's been sold. So I did what I do because I'm a medium too. I was like, Lorraine, I want to know what's going on here. This is this is wrong. I know this is wrong. And very clearly, and this is before I looked into all of it and got super nosy. She said to me, Tony was never involved in any of that. He's never seen any of this. He only knows about it from hearsay. She said, he talks about it, but he wasn't there for it. So he doesn't understand. Because I said, How can you let him have do this? How can there be nothing happening where he's allowed to do this? And she said, he doesn't realize that what he's doing is a corruption of our work because he wasn't present for any of those cases. And it's not that he doesn't believe us, it's that he doesn't understand it from that perspective. But like even in spirit, she's sticking up for the guy who's selling her down the river. So there's all of this people that kicked open doors and allowed us to have the freedoms that we have to say some of these things without being called crazy. And even people in your family are gonna do stuff like that and take your work and twist it around.

SPEAKER_04 26:07

Yeah.

unknown 26:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:08

So I'm like that kind of stuff. That's my big pet peeve. Is like I see people that had integrity, that worked within the confines of trying to be a good person, and people are trashing them, stealing their work, making money off their work. Annabelle is on tour. Hello. Oh my god, somebody dies while holding Annabella. Jesus God. And they're putting this is why this is so bad. They're taking other raggedy and dolls, putting them around the real Annabelle in the space that she's in, and you can now buy those dolls as well. Oh, for God's sake.

SPEAKER_04 26:41

And putting crystals next to other crystals. I mean, a piece of wrinkles, you know.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

It's it's crazy. And why are people buying it? Because they can talk about it. People listen when they talk. It's it's a big conversation piece. They can get clicks and likes. Look, they're even selling alcohol. It's I can't think of the name of it. It's got some kind of weird demonic name because that's the gimmick. And they're selling that. Oh, this was in Annabelle's case. You want to buy it?

SPEAKER_04 27:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

If it's not real, then why are they making so much money? Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 27:11

Why are you selling it?

SPEAKER_02 27:13

I have a question for you. Oh, can I interrupt just for a moment? Uh for people who don't know who Ed and Lorraine Warren were, they were American paranormal investigators and authors known for their work in the field of hauntings. They founded the New England Society for Psychic Research in 1952 and claimed to have investigated over 10,000 cases during their careers, including the famous Amityville haunting. All right, go ahead, Annalisa.

SPEAKER_04 27:40

Um, my question is what is your feel opinion on how the majority of the stuff that has either been presented or written about from them is that she would find demons in every case.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

I don't think that's true. I don't think she found demons in every case. I don't either.

SPEAKER_04 27:58

But that's how they're kind of portrayed. Like everything was a demon.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

Well, now that they're dead, nobody can negate how they can't not that they if you were alive, anything could even be they would just argue against it anyway.

SPEAKER_04 28:07

Exactly. They'd have to argue against whatever.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

Because her she grew up Catholic, she stayed devout even though she was a medium, which in and of itself is very difficult, especially in the 60s, 70s, 50s, all that, yeah. But her, in actually in the Bible, there are certain gifts that are spoken about, and one of them is the gift of discernment. Technically, discernment is for you to understand whether or not something is either good or evil. It's really not about they made trends out of in terms of like all the things. So literally, she would just walk in and tell you if something was good or bad. And if in her interpretation, demonic is something that you, you know, you can't get your head around, you don't need to bash her for it.

SPEAKER_04 28:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

That's like you say, like going to a foreign country where they've done everything completely different and you getting all over their case because they contextualize things differently, you're in a different place, it's a different concept, concept, it's a different context. So I feel like that's not really fair. If you're really looking at truth and you're not trying to have a pissing contest, then that doesn't matter as much as trying to understand. At the end of the day, if you understand that there's a malevolent, a malevolent force in your home and you're not doing things, but things are being thrown around, what that is, does it really even matter? Or do you want to make it stop?

unknown 29:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 29:31

And it please. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

And if that they did something and that worked, I don't care. I don't care what it was. And you know, people are so into their little boxes. Well, this is true and this is false. You know, there's a lot of things that are true and false at the exact same time. We're very limited in our human perception to be able to tell the difference between what's true. Your soul knows the truth, your mind searches for evidence. The truth does not need evidence. The truth is the truth whether or not you believe it, whether you've heard of it, it exists independent of all that. So everything else just becomes a performative exercise. Now, having said that, is it worth having? Sure, it's worth exploring, it's worth talking about different perspectives and stuff like that. But what the problem is, is that every person that I see doing this is trying to say that they have all the answers. And they don't.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

No, not even close. So nobody has all the answers.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

No, and I don't think Lorraine had all the answers either. But I think what made her different is that she was just trying to help people from a genuine place. These other people, if they're bringing in cameras, this is see when they were doing their work, there were none of those shows yet. Right. And there was none of this documenting everything you do. Once you start documenting it for viewing instead of just research purposes, it's a different animal because now it's for the masses. When I do things and I keep a personal diary, I don't put it on on the internet. That's my personal diary for my work, so I can refer back and make you know inferences. Once I start putting it on the internet, now it's for a different purpose. So it's never the thing, it's how the thing is used, and that determines to me what I'm dealing with. I always go back to the same thing. Because like you can argue in circles about this stuff forever and never reach that point. But once you start saying, Who's the who's the mouthpiece behind it? All of a sudden there's a bit of truth there, and you're like, Well, look at that. So that's kind of how I feel about it. It's just I've been in other circles where and I've seen things that I can't explain myself. I do not deny that there are things in this world that have context that are not, you know, I don't have to make everything mine. When I first started opening up, one of the things that happened to me that I had no idea was gonna happen. You kind of get that spirit, spirits start noticing you type of a thing. I was sitting in my living room. And what happened to me at the time was I used to see what looked like holographic images. So if a spirit showed up, I would see light in the form of a shape or a holographic type it type image. And I was sitting in my living room and I noticed there's a little bit of energy over here. And I was like, okay, so I let myself interact with that energy. And what I saw when it fleshed out looked to me like a lion face. I couldn't understand what it was. And I said, I'm sorry, I don't understand. You need to show me again. And the same exact image showed up. And I'm like, I don't know what this is, but it then it stopped. I went about my business. I assumed it will something will flesh out if it's meant to. Went to the grocery store a couple of days later. And as I'm unloading my stuff onto the belt, I was in like one of those Earth Crunchy stores. So they had like alternative magazines and stuff on the impulse by shelf. And I opened up a yoga magazine just to look at it. Literally in blue, which is the light that I saw was blue, a statue of Hanuman. Now, I did not know that existed. I it's not my culture. Do I deny that that energy showed up? No. No, but I'm not gonna try to make it a Catholic thing because I'm Catholic. Right. Well, it must have been the Virgin Mary, but she decided to show up as a line. I don't know. Let things be what they are. That showed up for a reason.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

I don't know what it is. Maybe somebody who is Hindu is gonna come to me and need my help, and that was gonna help me help her or him. So I you have to have an openness about these things. Otherwise, you don't ever get to know the expansiveness of what you're capable of accessing. You know what I mean? I don't know. Sorry, I'm talking too long. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 33:37

You say everything that at least me, I wish I could articulate in that way.

SPEAKER_04 33:43

I think you're very uh good at articulating stuff that I think of of and can't necessarily get to the center of. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

I spend a lot of time alone. I know that one. Yeah, I don't know. What do you guys want to go from there?

SPEAKER_02 34:03

Uh well, how about the predictions? Uh like claims that humanity is about to shift into the fifth dimension on a specific date, predictions of an imminent global consciousness shift that repeatedly fail to occur on schedule. The date always changes. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 34:22

Oh, okay. Push it back.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

The goalpost always changes. Oh, it's gonna be December 15th, 2027. Oh, well, no. Okay, it's gonna be in 2028 or 2030.

SPEAKER_04 34:36

The fifth dimension needs to talk to the rapture and figure it out because they've both been wrong.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

It's it's like the the old preachers uh who would predict the end of the world and they would say, Let's pray, let's pray, let's pray this away. And the date that he predicted would come and go. And oh, well, we did pray enough that it didn't happen.

SPEAKER_04 35:01

Did you spend money during that time? Did you give him money, possibly? Did that help that?

SPEAKER_00 35:06

Probably. Probably older guys too when they're underground with the with the preacher.

SPEAKER_01 35:11

Yep. There are a lot of people out there doing predictions, and a lot of them know full and well it's not gonna happen, but they've kind of created their own little cult following, and it's all about gathering people. And then there are also some that really mean well, and I guess the the person I'm really thinking about is Blossom Good Child. When she predicted, this is many, many years ago, and she predicted that UFOs were going to show up above major cities all over the world on this specific day. Good person, very sweet woman, very caring individual. And then she did this thing where she did this prediction, and of course it didn't happen, and then she was so humiliated by it that she disappeared for a very long time and was not, you couldn't, she wasn't posting anything anymore. And then she came back after she figured it out and apologized for doing that. And I don't know if she's still on the internet doing her thing.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

She's still on the internet. This is Blossom Good Child. I looked it up. There you go.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

I've never heard of her before.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

Me either.

SPEAKER_00 36:21

Direct so she's channeler and author.

SPEAKER_01 36:23

Yeah, I don't ironestly do not think that she was doing anything maliciously to acquire a following or make money off of it or whatever. I think she really, really believed that she was doing the right thing and helping people. And it kind of kind of blew up in her face, and I felt so, so bad for her. But I have empathy for people who are good people that are trying to do the right thing and it just doesn't work out. You cannot make predictions. You cannot make predictions, people. If somebody's making a prediction, you gotta turn around and walk away. It's just you can't do it because things change every second of every day. Every second of every day, something's changing. So you can't predict the future. Now, there's a channeler out there, a very famous channeler out there, who is now channeling that the extraterrestrials are actually going to be showing themselves and introducing themselves to us in 2027. And kind of surprised me that he did that, but he did. And I just I'm like, what are you thinking? What's gonna happen? But these yeah, but these people are so good at moving the goalpost and making up excuses of why it didn't happen. Oh, the stars weren't aligned, right? Oh, this, this and that, and the other. That's a red flag for me when somebody starts predicting. Even when I do readings, I do tarot readings.

SPEAKER_04 37:47

With my practice, I'll either do I can do a combination of tarot and mediumship, or I can do one of each depending on what the client wants. And I do have very few, but I have some clients who just want tarot readings. I will not do any kind of prediction unless they completely understand that that's just only one possibility. It is not set in stone, it will never be set in stone. That's why I don't like doing them.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

It's very dangerous to do that.

SPEAKER_02 38:11

It is, you can't make predictions. We just recently talked about this and predicting someone's death. You can't do it.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:19

You can't do it.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

One of the things when I started doing readings, uh, I did really like tarot. I thought tarot was a little too restrictive for what I could access. And I started doing oracle readings, and it was around the time when that wasn't as popular to do as a reading. People were geared more towards tarot. And tarot does have that reputation for being able to predict or like tell you like someone's coming into your life, you're gonna get this job. Like that train of thought was still alive. And when I started doing readings, I noticed there was a little bit of feedback, like, well, why can't you tell me this? You're just not a good person, you're just not a good reader. And I and my response, even 20 years ago, was the same. Why would I assume to tell you what you're going to choose? What you're going to do. I am not taking your power from you by telling you what's going to happen. I am giving it back to you by letting you know in your field for this to be a probable thing. You now have choice. Now you have power. So that's too heavy for people. They want to giggle and laugh and drink martinis and be told that you know the man of their dreams is going to want, you know, ride up on a BMW.

SPEAKER_04 39:28

Yep. When I worked on a phone line, I used to get those all the time. I'm just like, I can't give you lottery numbers. I can't tell you who your soulmate is. I can't.

SPEAKER_00 39:36

Yeah. So the prediction thing, though, I feel like we all got forced into that to a certain extent with some pressure because that's what they're expecting.

SPEAKER_04 39:43

Well, and if you look back into the early 19th century, there were these cards that were, they were literally called fortune-telling cards. And some of them were from Hungary and Eastern European cards. I kind of am a nerd. I love collecting cards. And I found that those cards are specific to predictions. Like those were meant to be, this is what's happening, this is what's going to happen. And, you know, great, maybe those are accurate, um, more accurate, but they're set up that way. Whereas tarot isn't really set up for that. And people were using it for so long to be mostly predictive, and it's really more about going inside. But you know that's not going to sell as much because they're going to sell inner work.

SPEAKER_00 40:21

Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 40:24

That's what that all that's what that's all.

SPEAKER_02 40:26

Oh my god. Yeah. You do the work for me, you tell me what to do.

SPEAKER_04 40:30

And then I'll get mad at you when it doesn't happen.

unknown 40:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 40:34

And I won't recommend you to my friends. Exactly. Give you a bad review. I lost a friendship over that. Oh wow. That's too tough. That's what definitely when I stopped doing future, especially for friends. I was like, nope.

SPEAKER_02 40:48

I had a client one time, he and his fiance had a very, very deep conversation. And they were Jewish. I don't know anything about the Jewish religion. But they had had a very deep conversation, and they came up with what they thought was it, that they had come to the conclusion of what they knew what life was all about. And it was woven somehow into their belief system, the Jewish belief system. But they had they had felt like they it was it, that they understood life, that they understood reality, that they had it. And she passed away. And when I did the reading for him, and she came through and he said, Since she's on the other side now, did we really did we have it correctly? Did we have what we thought was it? That we have the answer to life. And she was going, Wow. And I had to tell him, I said, Look, on the other side, when we're in spirit, there is no religion, there is no science.

SPEAKER_03 41:50

Right.

SPEAKER_02 41:50

So she is nodding her head, no, that what she's experiencing on the other side does not correlate to what the two of you talked about. And he did not want to hear it.

SPEAKER_04 42:00

Of course not.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

Did not want to hear it.

SPEAKER_04 42:02

You're a bad medium.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

And why ask if you don't want to if you don't want to hear the answer? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:08

Uh and I think that's what a lot of people don't haven't fully grasp, that there's no religion, there's no science.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:16

It's all consciousness and our own personal growth and what our soul came here to experience, whether three times or a hundred times or two hundred times. We all have to we all have to experience, play out every emotion that we have, every act that a human being is capable of doing, whether it's for the positive or the negative. Loving or unloving. Yeah. Compassion or no compassion.

SPEAKER_04 42:44

They do tell me on the other side though that you can emulate whatever you want. Like if you liked a hot dog, you can have a hot dog. Oh, absolutely. You know, wanted to live in a mansion, you could live in a mansion. I mean, they do have fun over there. It's not just boring. I know. I you can create whatever you want to. You can create whatever space you want to be in. But then people don't realize that you're not always human. And then that looks completely different, and you don't know how to deal with that. Because you can't tell a human, well, you're not human on the other side. Sometimes you go to a different dimension and have a different experience that isn't human. And they're like, no, that's too much.

SPEAKER_02 43:19

No. Or my favorite book is Space Time and Beyond. It was written in the 70s. And it was written by two, two or three people, theoretical physicists, talking about reality and how there are many, many versions of us. There's many, many versions of this reality. There's many, many versions of this earth. And we can go into any one of those.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

We do go into we we flow in and out all the time.

SPEAKER_02 43:52

We do. We do.

SPEAKER_01 43:54

Which is why you can't make predictions.

SPEAKER_02 43:56

No. And during the day, if I tell people People, well look, we go into we f flip into different dimensions in and out all day long. But it happens so fast we don't we don't understand it. We don't see it. We don't feel it. You know, what are we doing when we daydream? What are we doing when we're driving the car and we get in that zone and we don't know how we got from A to B? Where are you? Really? I do I do a lot of daydreaming. I mean I have to check out I had a dream last night that everything was so freaking real. Oh, this was this is weird. I have no idea what this means. But the end of the dream, and I had left a group of people that I thought were um, you know how family can be a little fucked up.

SPEAKER_01 44:44

Oh, sorry. Just say that. It's okay. Dysfunctional.

SPEAKER_02 44:53

Oh, I think I'll keep that in. Like can be dysfunctional, and I left that group of people thinking, oh my god, you know, uh-uh, just stay away. I need to get away. And then all of a sudden I was with one of the sisters in the TV series Charmed. She was the one that basically was in charge of the house. I can't remember her. No, not Prue. Not Prue. The other one, the one who could stop stuff, freeze, freeze things. I don't remember her name. Anyway, so she was in my dream, and she had started a spiritual community, kind of like Terry, you would know this place, the C C O T here in Jacksonville. Kind of a small spiritual church. And she was talking to me about things, and it just wasn't jiving. And and I said, Look, you know, I'll be really honest with you, and because she really wanted me to stay, and I said, I I have to be honest with you. This isn't my kind of spirituality. And it's uh too too limiting. And so I left. I have no idea what what I referred to or what that was all about. But it was as real as you guys are with me right now.

SPEAKER_04 46:07

Those mean travel to me. When I have a dream that's that real, that usually means I've traveled somewhere or I'm having a visit.

SPEAKER_03 46:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:13

And when I dream of actors, that is representative of my own creativity. Right. For me too. It doesn't mean I'm gonna like, you know, have lunch with Tom Hiddleston, which really bums me out. But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:28

Yeah, so I don't know. Everything is it's like when people say that there's no original thought. I was with Annalisa, our special medium that we know. Oh, yes. And he was telling a woman that there is no original thought, and it's not my place to say anything. And I never want to make someone look badly or correct someone in front of other people. I don't ever ever do that. And my thing is, since there are over eight billion people, we all have our own way of interpreting information. So even if there is no original thought, the way that you take it in, the way that you perceive it, the way that you interpret it is unique to you.

SPEAKER_04 47:16

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

So it doesn't matter whether there's no original thought or not. You do what you need to do with that thought.

SPEAKER_04 47:25

Yeah, it's it's how it's used. People take things way too seriously. Well, and then people try and inject everything with fear so that you'll move on it.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

Yeah. I just had that conversation with someone on the phone before I I came on here. Like every video that starts off with they're not telling you the truth. Uh-huh. You've been lied to. Listen, original sin, baby, garden of Eden, two people, snake, God just doesn't want you to be like him. That is every human beings, their pride is really the downfall. Even if you don't believe in the story of the Bible, take it for what it is. Why was it so easy for you to believe that the only person in the existence gave you everything was trying to keep you down? And why didn't you just ask? They didn't even ask the question. That makes a lot of sense. Damn that God.

SPEAKER_04 48:15

I mean, well, and then you make the you make the devil cute too.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

And it's humans. Literally, everything when I hear these things, I'm like, human, human, human, human. None of this stuff is spiritual.

SPEAKER_02 48:25

Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Thank you. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 48:29

Human. Thank you. We can't get away from it because that's what we're here to do. We're here to experience it as humans. So, like, let go of the idea that you're going to be so evolved and so spiritual that you're going to transcend that stuff because you're not. I don't care who you are, you're not going to transcend that. No.

SPEAKER_02 48:45

Now, another question I have is how people have misused, and you'll know more about this, Nicole, than I ever will.

SPEAKER_00 48:53

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_02 48:54

Moon ceremonies.

SPEAKER_00 48:55

Oh, for crying out loud. I can't even begin to tell you. Okay, so I almost got in a fight with the local hair. Yeah, I like to listen, I'm I'm Italian. I say things. There are like a million people online who don't know anything about astrology, but we're all smart enough to look up and see that the moon has phases. Like, you don't have to be that smart. And I mean, I I moved in and out of I'm Italian. There is a little bit of witch in me. That's an aspect of what I've went through for my learning as well, from the woman who's the high priestess of the church that I'm a minister in. And the moon is, they're using these ceremonies as a way to get people that don't you know a hair above what someone else knows, or it sounds like you do, and now you're an expert. So they're doing these full moon ceremonies. And I'm sorry, I'm gonna say this. I don't care who disagrees with you. You can disagree all the hell you want. When people come were coming to me when I was still kind of actively doing readings at a shop down here, there was a lot of people coming to me and saying like the similar stories. I don't know what's going on. I lost my job, I'm losing my friends, I'm losing, losing. I'm seeing a lot of this loss, and I'm like, this isn't there's something going on here. And I would find out like, what do you do? Well, you know, I do these ceremonies that you don't know shit about, you don't know anything about them, you don't know what you're doing. In basic witchcraft, the full moon is a time for gratitude, is a time for celebration. It is the fullness of that energy, which is why they call it the full moon, and it's all illuminated, and it's not meant for if you want to call it banishing, but there are 10,000 aesthetic witches. I can wear the clothes, I look really pretty, I got lots of jewelry, I got lots of crystals, so you should believe me. And they're doing these moon ceremonies where people are trying to remove things from their lives during the full moon, and they don't know why all this stuff is happening. And I'm like, listen, that's a magnification, and that's supposed to be used, that energy is to be used for appreciation, gratitude, not fake gratitude for something you want to happen. Look in front of you. I am grateful, I'm alive, I have food in my stomach, I have breath in my lungs, if that's the least you can get. So they're doing these stupid things where they don't even understand the because the energies are real, they are real cycles that people work within to magnify what they're trying to do. There's there is science to it as well. It's not just a spiritual concept, but they're doing these things that they don't understand. And I'm like, what you also don't understand is that you're not in charge of everything. When you open up to a higher power, which you will never understand fully in human form, and you ask for things to be removed, I just want my life to be easier. Please remove all the obstacles. Maybe your best friend was an obstacle, yo, and you don't know. Maybe that girl was doing some things behind your back and talking smack, so you weren't able to get into some of these other places you wanted to get into. You just you can't be this all-knowing being that they want you to be in these ceremonies. And basic rule of thumb waning moon is for moving energy out, waxing moon is for bringing energy in, and the full moon is only for celebration and gratitude. It is in presence, it's not meant for you to do all these things, and that is so 101. And I'm like, people really don't understand. I had a class that I used to have a meetup group. This guy came to my class, he was the only guy. You guys know what I'm gonna say, right? He's like, Oh, a whole bunch of women who are interspiritual stuff. I'm gonna show up to this meetup, and then men's blame everything. The first thing out of his mouth when we did the whole introduction introduction around the room. Well, I I actually have my own meetup and we do tantric. Oh my god. So I was already like throwing up in my mouth a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:51

But as we started to talk about stuff, it was actually um the theme was uh empaths, and it started to go in the direction I thought it was gonna go in. With someone who'd watched every YouTube video and wanted to be the star student. But for some reason, in the middle of it, he's like, I gotta ask you a question. Because he started to pick up what I was putting down. And he goes, I I've done these ceremonies where I write something on like a leaf, a bay leaf, let's say, throw it in the fire to release it. Do you think that works? So has it worked for you? Nope. I said, when you you don't like something, so you just write it on a thing and throw it in the fire, and you think that that your life will change? You don't even want to get into why you shouldn't burn bay leaves. Because I don't know why. Because bay listen, Laurel, bay laurel. Why does this Julius Caesar wear a bay laurel crown? It's a symbol of victory, it's a symbol of abundance. You are burning your enemy on your abundance symbol. What are you doing? And it's fine. You want to think that if you if you decide that a bay leaf is for this, then it is. If it's all you have, I'm a cat and I'm not. So you get to start thinking about these things from the basis of the energy you're working with. And I would never burn bay leaves unless I was doing it in something that was supposed to be celebratory or bringing in abundance, and it would be in a ceremonial way, not in a like, let me just torch this thing. Like I might put it on a piece of charcoal with another piece of resin or something like that. And then there would be a prayer or something involved. Intention. Yeah, so you don't just but see, everyone wants the CVS version of witchcraft and in medium shape. I love that you're gonna get you want to pay 99 cents for foundation instead of 45, and you don't know why you have uh pimples and you don't know what what do you think you're getting? I don't understand authenticity. Everyone talks about authenticity, but then they buy the crap version of something that's fake, and they're like, Look at this, isn't it awesome? Are you a liar or just dumb? I don't understand. I don't understand the difference, and that's just my human talking, my spirit doesn't talk like that's my human. When I when I tell you spiritual stuff, it sounds different, yeah, because it ain't me, but that's my human talk. Like, I'm gonna need to decide whether or not I want to keep having this interaction, and considering that you're gonna try to one up me with your CVS tarot cards or whatever the hell it is, I I'm good. I'm out. I'm out. Go talk to someone else at that level who wants to have that energy. You're not interested in what I got over here. It drives me nuts. Did he finally did he finally leave your group? Oh, he never came back. He never never came back. He's like, Well, what do you think? Do you think that that doesn't work really, sir? Have you answered your own question? Yes, you do.

SPEAKER_04 55:35

I think it if it didn't work for you, then it maybe doesn't work that way.

SPEAKER_00 55:38

Because it doesn't, and you can't you can do that over and over and over. And these women, the people that were coming to me and saying that about this pattern that they literally were were pushing it and feeding it. They keep doing this every month. And I'm like, why are you doing you're you're you're literally going against the you know Laura Cabot is this the official wish of oh yeah. You can read her books. That woman has integrity. I love that she is yeah, she's and she's like 88.

SPEAKER_04 56:03

Yeah. I had a reading from her daughter, too. Her daughter's good too. Who is this?

SPEAKER_00 56:06

Penny Cabot.

SPEAKER_04 56:08

Yeah, yeah. Um Laura. Salem.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

She's the official witch of Salem. But see, Salem wasn't even Salem before her.

SPEAKER_04 56:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

So can you imagine also? Here we go again. This is the hill I die on. Here's Lori Cabot, the first real witch that ever really set foot in Salem. None of those people that were killed were witches.

SPEAKER_04 56:25

No.

SPEAKER_00 56:26

She established the first herbal shop. She established the first shop that had any kind of magic in it. Now you go rolling through Salem right now, and I'm gonna tell you what you see.

SPEAKER_04 56:36

CVS.

SPEAKER_00 56:41

Not all of them. There are people that still have integrity, but you see people, and and they've brought in the element of the satanic temple. Why? I don't know. And then they also have like people that do they're doing like horror movie type stuff. It's not really witch related and it's not even really spiritual related, it's more just like Halloween, like Halloween theme has taken that over. So here she is with her legitimate line, her legitimate coven that has uh Hermetic principles based on Hermetic principles. And this is what people come for. I just don't understand why we have to destroy everything in order to make our mark. Why we can't honor the ancestors. She's a living ancestor.

SPEAKER_04 57:21

Oh my god, she's she's so like doesn't take shit. She's so cool. She knows what you're talking about. She doesn't have to. I really love her. And it's funny because I've kind of she and Lorraine I've both watched since the 70s, and the two of them were the females that I were like, okay, these are two women that I really admire for what they're doing.

SPEAKER_00 57:43

Yeah, it wasn't about, you know, putting on a costume, although a little bit for Lori Cabot, she she adapted that.

SPEAKER_04 57:51

She said that on purpose, though. She said she did that for a reason to be to bring it out, basically.

SPEAKER_00 57:57

About how she got outed, about how the her cat got stuck in the tree. That's how she got outed as a witch. She just moved there to try to be normal at first. That's right. But her cat ran up a tree and she couldn't get it down. And she lived across the street from the mayor. There's that's not a coincidence. And when she couldn't get it out, she called the fire department and they wouldn't show up for her. So she got on the phone and said, Listen to me, I am a witch, and that is my familiar. And if you do not get it down now, you're gonna have a problem on your hands. And they showed up along with press. And the press ran with it, and suddenly Salem was on the map. She was on the map. She wasn't trying to do that, she wasn't trying to be showy, but you know what? Sometimes, as women, you need to just throw a little sparkle on something to get what you need done. Did you know it was a man she was talking to? No hate on all men, but some men.

SPEAKER_04 58:51

It's not all men, but it's usually men.

SPEAKER_00 58:53

Listening to you, or I don't care what your cat in the tree. I mean, who wouldn't want to help a cat?

SPEAKER_04 58:58

Come on.

SPEAKER_00 58:59

I don't know. See, I'm like a trip.

SPEAKER_04 59:00

They have a busy day. Are there too many fires in Salem that you can't come and grab a cat out of a tree that might hurt himself falling?

SPEAKER_00 59:09

No, that's how it went down. And next, next thing you know, this is what we have. And it's devolved. And I feel like generally speaking, the earth plane is a place where you have cycles. You have birth, you have the growth and the maturity, and then you have the decline. And everything that we love will eventually decline because that's the cycle. And it's gonna start again with birth, but the birth does not have to be the destruction necessarily of everything. You know, flowers don't grow from the seeds that they came from and go, you know what, our flower mom and dads were kind of crap. We want to be red instead of you want to be red. Like it's it's not necessary, and you can still have little adapt adaptations, but you don't destroy everything you came from. I don't still understand. And like I said, I was born in 75. I know you guys, I'm sorry, I'm I'm not that young. I in my heart a very old lady in my heart.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:04

I was born in 68, so we're sort of close.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:06

Gen X.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:07

Gen X, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:09

But it's like I have looked into so many of these people because I respect the work that they did that laid the ground for people to come after them. And when people trash them, I take it personally.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:20

Yeah. Because you don't know somebody's lived experience, and all you're getting it is from crap on the internet.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:25

Sorry, no, no hate to CVS, but it's really it's really sad that integrity has taken a downfall in this field. It's really, really sad. I mean, you know, decades ago there was a lot of integrity in this, and now it's just shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:42

I think we can understand now why Jesus trashed all the moneylenders in front of the church.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:48

Yeah. That now makes more sense to me. Listen, if somebody can come to this earth and heal people and try to help people, and the end result of that is we gotta kill this guy. Yeah. That doesn't say much for humanity. That's a problem. Regardless of even the ri religious aspect of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:08

Well, take a look at who was done away with in my generation and Terry's generation, Martin Luther King, JFK, his brother, anyone who was trying to help and help humanity. Let's get rid of them.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:22

Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:26

I like people to do something like that. You know, if you don't want to take the entirety of the group and say they were all evil because they weren't. No, and they weren't all good either.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:37

It just seems it just seems hard to find a good one these days. And I'm sure that's because you get more clicks if you talk about the evil ones.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:45

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:45

Well, that's true. Oh, yeah. Nope. Nobody wants it's boring to hear about the good people.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:50

I have new age fatigue where I just want to find someone who has it all, and I can go, you, you're the one I'm gonna follow because that makes all the sense. And this doesn't exist. There isn't that one belief system or that one person.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

No, my TikToks are full of really valid information that comes through that I give people, but the ones that have like 40,000 views are the ones where I told people I had a dream about how technology was gonna destroy us. See?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:21

It's not wrong.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:22

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:22

It's just a different way that it's gonna, and I had more than one dream where I was seeing I showed was shown variations on that. And both of those videos, but if I tell you you should pray for surgeons today, you know, take some time out of your day and pray for surgeons who are doing delicate work for hours at a time, I get like 300 views.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

Yeah, so sad wild. It's wild. All right, we are running out of time. Oh, Nicole, how can people get in touch with you?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:50

Uh, you can find me on Facebook and Instagram and TikTok under Confessions of a Spirit Messenger.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:57

Okay. We have a lot more to talk about. So yeah. You guys want to do this again?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:02

Yes, love you. Yes, please.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:03

Okay. All right, you want to come again?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:05

Want to come again? Oh, why not?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:06

We like having you.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:08

You are fun. We love you.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:10

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