AI, Human Wisdom & The Future of Workforce Transformation | Jenny Korten

AI is accelerating faster than most organizations can adapt—but technology alone is not enough.

In this episode of the AI Accelerator Podcast, host Matt Zembruski sits down with Jenny Korten, Co Partner at Thinking 5.0 and creator of Mind Nudger AI, to explore one of the most important leadership questions of the AI era: How do we use AI to enhance human wisdom instead of replacing it?

Drawing from decades of neuroscience based leadership coaching, intergenerational strategy, and enterprise transformation across Africa, Europe, and Asia, Jenny shares how leaders can bridge the widening gap between exponential AI advancement and incremental human learning.

From mindset rewiring and cognitive bias to HR transformation, AI readiness, and the neuroscience of sustainable learning, Jenny introduces a people first model for AI adoption that empowers organizations to evolve without sacrificing humanity.

At the center of Jenny’s philosophy is a bold idea: The future is not about AI replacing people—it is about AI amplifying collective human intelligence.

In this episode, Jenny reveals:

◼️ Why AI adoption fails when companies invest in software but ignore people
◼️ The “Formula 1 car without a trained driver” analogy for enterprise AI
◼️ How neuroscience explains resistance to AI and organizational change
◼️ Why leaders must move from tech first to people first thinking
◼️ The hidden danger of AI anxiety and survival mode in the workforce
◼️ How Thinking 5.0 helps organizations protect and enhance human wisdom
◼️ The Mind Nudger AI framework for habit formation and learning retention
◼️ The O.R.A. Method: Observe, Reflect, Act
◼️ Why reflection—not reaction—is the leadership skill of the future
◼️ How HR must evolve from administrative support to strategic transformation
◼️ Why intergenerational alignment is essential for future ready organizations
◼️ How AI can reduce burnout while improving strategic capacity
◼️ The importance of training the human mind as much as the machine
◼️ Why collective intelligence will define next generation leadership
◼️ Jenny’s powerful question: “Are we the last human generation with wisdom?”

Key Learnings

✔ AI transformation without human transformation creates failure
 ✔ Reflection is becoming a competitive leadership advantage
 ✔ AI should reduce burnout—not increase anxiety
 ✔ Human wisdom must remain central in AI strategy
 ✔ Organizations need both technology investment and people investment
 ✔ HR and L&D are essential drivers of AI readiness
 ✔ Intergenerational alignment strengthens organizational resilience
 ✔ Sustainable learning requires incremental habit building
 ✔ AI can empower people when paired with critical thinking
 ✔ Collective intelligence is the real future of work

💬 Jenny’s Most Powerful Quotes

“If you invest $1 in technology, invest $1 in the human mind.”
 “AI is the Formula 1 car but your people are the driver.”
 “The future is not about AI. The future is about evolving collective intelligence.”
 “Reflection reconnects us with human wisdom.”
 “Are we the last human generation with wisdom?”

Follow Jenny Korten

Thinking 5.0: https://www.thinking50.studio/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenny-korten-736b16219/
Email: jenny@thinking50.studio

Follow Matt Zembruski

Website: https://leadingaiagility.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattzembruski/
Email: matt@leadingaiagility.com
Phone Text WhatsApp: +1 978-618-5778

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Welcome to the AI Accelerator Podcast. This is where we turn AI from a corporate buzzword into an unfair advantage. I'm Matt Zembrusky, and this is the show for leaders who are done experimenting and ready to execute and get results. Our motto is all about bringing people and AI together to become superhuman in the workplace. And today I'm thrilled to welcome a true pioneer to the show. Jenny Corton is the co-partner at Thinking5.0 and the creator of Mind Nudger AI, and she's based in Mauritius. For more than a couple decades, Jenny has helped executives and HR leaders across Africa, Europe, and Asia and all over the world lead from a place of clarity and authenticity. She's a neuroscience-based leadership coach, a work culture transformation expert, and one of the leading voices integrating AI into corporate training and in the Mauritius region and all over the world as she continues to expand. Jenny, your client list is very long. I want to give you an opportunity to share your background. Welcome to the AI Accelerator Podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Oh, thank you, Matt. It's such a pleasure to be here today with you. So, where do I want to start? Okay, so my background, as you just said, is in neuroscience, especially on realignment on mindset and perception. So I spent years coaching leaders on a one-on-one, but then I realized that individual coaching does not scale at the speed companies, whether it's medium-sized or large, need their needs today. So I co-partnered with two brilliant co-founders who you know, and together we launched Thinking 5.0, which is a tech platform and with one key mission, which is to protect and enhance human wisdom while using AI. So this is not just teaching people how to use AI, we are teaching them how to use AI to become better thinkers. And I always love this analogy that I always say to my to my client. It is like the fundamental difference between giving somebody a fish or building a better fisherman. So, so yeah, so basically, so basically, this is me. I'm very pleased to be here with you today. Here we go. Set the scene.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

Yes, I'm I'm excited, Jenny. I want to unpack a little bit more about what you just shared about because you're you're you and I have many opportunities to speak, and I really appreciate our friendship and our ability to work together. And there's so much depth behind your background. Uh, you mentioned something that most leaders are not familiar with, the neuroscience aspects of it. So you created a company, Thinking 5.0, with uh with um, and you have different products there and so forth. How does how does neuroscience and the thinking, as you mentioned, the thinking as it relates to AI, how does the neuroscience background and the importance of that tie into uh the founding of Thinking 5.0? Because a lot of thought and effort went into that. And it's it's exciting what you're doing with your clients today.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Well, I think we we we realize that um the way the training has uh been happening until now has been in a very linear way, because our brain, with the environment that we've been living until now, has been evolved in a linear way. But the brain is hardly linear, but I mean it's just that the adaptation and evolvement has been very linear. And because of that linear way of thinking, uh the way we learn as well has been very linear until now, but it's it has serves us uh well because change has been every from from 1945 every 25 years, and it's got like sort of like quicker and quicker and quicker. Where we are now today is as per the uh Buckminster Fuller, um I don't know whether you know the RBM research that was done recently. Change is not every 12 hours, literally every 12 hours, but the the the gap is is really very much about the the the knowledge that we know and what the humans are and the and the knowledge and the and the doing. So there is there is a real need and a real challenge to think in a different way. And I think um when we come to leaders, I think the heart of the challenge is really moving from a tech kind of way of thinking, tech first, to a people first kind of mindset. And and and I think that is because of the linear way we've been we've been doing things, we've always been using technology, but in a in a in a very kind of like very um silo type of way, right? So uh but and if I have to go now back to to to AI, uh we we we found that that because of that linear way of doing things, learning doesn't stick because AI at the exponential change is going so so fast. Um we needed to find other ways of creating using technology this incremental way of learning, which is bite-sized at a time, so that the brain doesn't get overwhelmed. So so on so we have got on one side we the brain learns in incremental change, in incrementally, and on the other side, you've got the the AI causing this exponential change. So it's a it's a it's a gap, it's a it's a huge gap. So yeah, so Thinking 5.0 came about understanding this. How do we create that stickiness of learning to close that gap down between that knowledge on the technical side and the knowing, which is what human beings do and how and how we actually work. So that was basically the essence of that, of that, um, of that thought that created Thinking 5 5.0. Uh, but to come back to the story about what you just said, um the the the heart of the challenge today is moving from a tech-first type of mindset to a people-first type of mindset for leaders in particular. And that is, I think, uh one of the biggest challenges.

unknown 6:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

Yes, yes, I fully agree. And thank you for explaining that because it's so important to think you will really understand how people think and process and learn and how change management really is affected. So, as you're working with leaders and I know HR professionals across uh Mauritius and Africa and Europe and other places, what do you think, what do you see is the biggest mindset shift that executives really need to make right now when it comes to AI and their people? You mentioned people first. What's the biggest mindset shift that the leaders uh and executives there need to make right now?

SPEAKER_00 6:53

That's a very good question. Um, so I but you know, like like we we were just talking about the the moving the mindset from a tech first to a people first. So most executives see AI as a capital expenditure on a balance sheet, if I had to just say it in a kind of a very simple, simple way. They're pouring millions into the engine, like the software, the hardware, and everything else. But but spend almost nothing on the driver, which is I would call the driver, which is we talk the their people, because I if why do I use driver? Because I like the analogy of you buying a Formula One car with that speed, right? But you do not train the driver. So, how is that gonna work? The driver would be terrified that they're gonna crash. So, when what I find, what I see is when companies roll out AI without investing in the human transformation, the the it creates in the human being this AI anxiety, which puts the brain into a survival mode, which is very disempowering. And and and when when the brain goes into survival mode, what happens is that uh the IQ drops and creativity will literally just just shut down. So the the shift we need to make is moving from this digital transformation to a human transformation. But the ideal scenario is what I would call a symbiotic top balance, you know, because on one side you have no choice. AI is here, you've got to have AI integration. And that's an that's really honestly, it's non-negotiable, right? But this is really about using the tool to handle key parts of the job to make it easier and and and quicker. But on the other side, you have what you call the the emotional intelligence build. Um, this is where you invest the time that you save by AI with AI by putting and investing it back into your people. So I would say that the leaders who will win will be not win, but who would actually find the light at the end of this tunnel, because this is what literally what it is right now, is that to be able to come to a point where we that they're gonna be able to say, if I'm investing one dollar in technology, then I can also invest one dollar in the human mind. Because this is really how you would build a workforce that is not only AI ready, but also mentally resilient. Because it's about creating a culture where people feel empowered by the tool rather than feeling threatened by by it. And and that is for me the the the best, the only way to optimize the use of AI. Because I've seen until now, I correct me if I'm wrong, but because you might see have seen it too, is that companies spending millions of dollars on on investing on integrating AI systems into their companies because they are fear of being left behind, which is understandable, which is you know, any entrepreneur or any SME and any companies, whether it's small or big, I feel feel the same way. But all everything is going, everything is going on the technology. But there is the other element, the driver of that Formula One car must also be trained to be able to go with the speed of the Formula One car. And that is the key. So that symbiotic balance is so so important. I hope that answers the question.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

You did, you did very well, and it's very well said. I love the Formula One car analogy because that's a that's a great that that's that's a great let's let's take that forward with the with the concept of the mind nudger um uh product that you've uh that you put together with your team. Can you tell our audience more about what the mind nudger is, what problem it solves, why you built it? How does that help with the Formula One driver of the uh staff of companies?

SPEAKER_00 10:46

That's a good question. All right. Uh let me think for a minute.

SPEAKER_01 10:51

Take your time.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

So take my time, yeah. Well, so we we build mind nudger AI to solve the forgetting curve. So, what do I mean by the forgetting curve? You know, the reality is having done training for so long and leadership training in particular, the reality is people attend a workshop but lose the insight within 24 hours or 48 hours. The stickiness is missing because the brain, if we just go back to the familiar, and we uh most of our actions are automated, which means that where do you get the automation of the actions from is from all everything that we learned before. So the the the cognitive part of brain, the retention is 5%, but the the automation of our everyday life is 95%. So you you miss the stickiness, right? So we knew that human beings learn through incremental habits. How do you ride a bicycle? I mean, you go on the bicycle like uh if you're as useless as as I am, popular 2,000 times, before you kind of the brain kicks in and says, Oh yes, I know how to ride a bike. Yeah, here we go. So you you learn through incremental habits. Um and and and and it and we needed to find a methodology to translate that into daily habits and use technology to do that at the center. So Thinkify.0 is a combination of human and AI facilitation platform. So we we didn't just build it to be another piece of software, we built it to be a safe place to people to navigate through uncertainty and complex change. So it's a tool that bridges the knowing, like I said before, the knowledge and the doing, which is that's the knowledge-doing, yeah. And it uses neuroscience methodology for a process what we call the aura, which is acronym ORA, meaning O for observation. It forces the human being to uh to be nudged, to be notified of a specific kind of behavior in a real-time type type context. And then you get a you get uh a nudge for to reflect on it. It prompts a wisdom pause with questions that challenge your thinking. And based on what reflection that you put in, it would trigger through obviously AI, an action. But then without you putting the reflection in, no action comes out. If you don't put the effort in to reflect on it, the action that's gonna come out is not gonna be as effective if you put the effort in it. So this is where, like I say, we're putting the human back into the technology. So it gives you one small stress, one small, because we don't want to over overwhelm the brain, one small manageable action to reinforce a new habit. So, and and what we did is that we also integrated Socrates' AI as a digital philosopher. And if you know the history about Socrates, is that it Socrates never never used to give any answers, it only asked questions. And those questions, and we emulated the same Socrates AI now into our system, is to help you refine how you think, and rather than just giving you answers. So ultimately, we we believe the future belongs to organizations that can harmoniously integrate technology while actually also advancing human consciousness. So Thinking Fab. As a whole, using lasting but daily habits that's gonna bring you to that collective intelligence. I don't know if it makes sense to you, so I just just came up and answered the question.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

It it makes brilliant sense. Yeah, I love and I love how you said, I'm gonna tie it back. You said ORA, so observe, reflect, and act, just for our audience. And uh, and that's a brilliant way. And you also brought up the importance of asking the right questions, because the right questions can can nudge the minds and advance the minds and help to start to get the right answers and get the get the the rewiring internally happening for people, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:59

Because because there is that you know the the contrary of a reflection is a reaction, right? That's the difference between the two, that's the opposite, right? Uh but we live in a world where we only react, we react into everything that we have, to all context. Human beings have the illusion that they don't have time to reflect. And and and and that is the key because we need to be able to reflect. Because the reflection is is reconnecting with our human wisdom, and that human wisdom is so important. And and and my main concern, and I think the reason why I'm so passionate about thinking 5.0, is to regaining that ability to generate and to enhance and to develop, uh, carry on developing our wisdom, our human wisdom. And we human wisdom is, especially in this day and age where we're living, you know, it's like any muscle, it's like any. I mean, if you don't go to the gym and you got your arms and you're not lifting the weights, well, you it's there, but it's not going to do anything because you haven't practiced it, right? So it is very much like it's it's the same kind of way of thinking, is that it is a it is becoming like a muscle that has to be used all the time. And and and human wisdom comes with reflection. So that is so important. So that the essence of Thinking 5.0 is about that reflection, regaining that ability to have that reflection. And I know that people have been using Thinking 5.0. At the beginning, Matt, reflection is so difficult. It's like your brain doesn't want to go there because the brain has automated things, it makes it things so easy for you. And and it's the brain's gonna make you choose the choice of least of resistance, which is the easiest way out. But every any good thing, like a good pair of shoes and a beautiful pair of shoes, you've got to have the resilience to put your feet in it and to walk and to wear it in and and and and get the blisters in the process, yeah. But eventually it becomes your favorite pair of shoes. And and but you've got to go through through the blister stage and the uncomfort, the discomfort stage before you you you can say, This is an amazing pair of shoes. I can't imagine that I could be, I could have carried on in my life without that particular pair of shoes, type of thing, you know. So, so yeah, this is this is exactly it. The reflection is so important in thinking Fapado.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

Yeah, that's that's that's brilliant, Jenny. Let's talk about the practical application of some of this. So with with your uh observations with with clients and um and companies in Mauritius and across Africa, Europe, you know, when it comes to AI adoption in mid-size and and large enterprise companies, what have you seen out there that's working? Where are companies getting stuck? Like what's working, what's what's sort of stuck in the system today?

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Uh were you talking about Mauritius as such? Because I've obviously I come from that side of the world with Africa. Yeah. So that's a that's such a good timely question. So let me how am I going to go about doing this? If we look at the stats recently, Mauritius is actually a regional leader and was ranked number one in Africa on the network readiness index. Okay. But but stats can be deceiving. Yeah, let's let's just put it out there. Because while the infrastructure is there, we're seeing a significant AI latency in all the sectors, whether it's public or isn't in the private type sector. Most companies, but I to be fair, it's not only in uh here, it's it's actually everywhere in the world, but here in particular, most companies are still getting to grips with generic AI, the basic chatbots and the administrative tools. But but most of them have not yet moved into anything kind of strategic AI or anything like that. But can you imagine you haven't even got off the starting block with the chatbots and the admin tools? So the biggest hurdle that many executives are still uh are facing is that they're still treating AI as a technical challenge to be solved by IT rather than a human challenge, which is to be led by the board. Right? I'm probably gonna be shot if I say this, but it is true. That's the bottom line. And this creates a very risky, dangerous silo effect where IT handles the software and finance will handle the return on investment, so to speak, yeah. And then you get HR and leadership and development, which are often left out of the room until the software is out, it's already deployed, type type thing, you know, scenario. So, in that particular case scenario, I see that the role of human resources and learning in development is critical right now here on the island. Because they face a massive challenge. Um, still very, and because their challenge is that they are still very entrenched in linear learning. Like I was talking about linear learning, about how we learn, about how the brain has evolved. So most corporate training is still from a step A, you step A, and then when you've done step A, you tick the box, you go to step B, you tick the box, or you get a process which is moving from you from step A to step B, right? So it is very much a very 20th century mindset to solve an exponential AI shift. So the gap between the speed of the knowledge and the speed of human upskilling is not only widening, it is actually accelerating, right? Um so so so yeah, this is this is one of the so what this is one of the the the biggest challenge that I that I find here. So the the key is is is definitely to to you need we need to be able to bridge this, and there is a need to upskill um HR and learning and development team first. And they need to be able to move from uh what I call processing managing mindset to becoming what you call a human-centric technical type of mindset. Um but I think that until HR and learning and development professionals are given the space to be able to transform their own skills, I really feel that the rest of the organization will be just remain stuck in a fixed kind of mindset status, you know. So there is a need to train, train the trainers, so so to speak. You know, you need to support the people who in turn support the other people so that the transformation can actually happen. And and I think that leads us to potentially maybe what we you want to talk about, which is focus on the initiative like Good Morning HR, which um I am a co-founder on, and and and we if you want to talk about it, we are I'm very happy to to to to discuss that a little bit more if you want.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

Yeah, let's let's double click into the uh the next level of that so you just talked about the uh one of the challenges like how do we how do we bring the uh how do we help the learning and development and hr professionals really change their um uh their mindset their ability to adopt ai so they can best bring it into the organization right and then basically get to more of a people first because what you just shared I'll say it different words is like it's a balance between the IT initiatives and the IT investment and the people initiatives and the people investment because they at the end of the day it's all one company they all need to work together and so forth but don't ignore the people. So if you put the people first so how does that relate to everything you just shared for let's talk about good morning HR, how it's going to make an impact in Mauritius what like first of all for our listeners what is good morning HR and what is the um uh uh I guess what is the what is the experience going to be look like uh what what would the experience be like for the individuals and leaders who are attending Good MorningHR in Mauritius uh well Good MorningHR was was uh co-founded uh together with uh another co-founder as who you know very well from from from meet your your job um and the main objective of Good Morning HR was to help HR leaders to to be to upskill their uh their their skill set to move from uh an an administrative back back office type of mindset to get to get uh sort of involved to become from a from a functional uh kind of role into a transformational type type of role because for for for too long but I don't think it's just only pertaining to Mauritius either because I think it's a worldwide although in certain countries and certain companies to be fair uh HR is moving quite fast in terms of changing it's the way it's looking at from a strategic kind of perspective but but if I have to go back to to to good morning HR for for for too long HR has been seen as a support function.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

But in the age of AI uh HR must become the strategic lead and work with senior executives to guide the rest of the company because it is very much and and and and most importantly with AI now a human focus is key. Of all all the other departments on I know people could argue to me and say oh return on investment finance and everything but if you don't have the people there is no return return on on investment it's as simple as that we realize that for many the but for many of the HR people the AI noise is overwhelming because they don't really know what what to do. They need to be guided so on the 21st of May as you know Matt you and I is going to be talking about you're gonna come in as as part of our virtual uh conference and we are going to go back to the basics because I think that's an important uh kind of like baseline to to to start with we're gonna so we we we we want to to to to first uh strip away the jargon and then because of of of of the main objective of HR of Good Morning HR is to uplift and transform uh the HR leaders so we want to strip away the jargon and help the HR to HR people to professional to understand the power of AI not as a threat but as an invaluable tool and and as a partner so I'm gonna throw the ball back in the call and I'm gonna ask the question now. So can you tell us a little bit about what you're gonna we're gonna want to cover in that 1.5 hours that we're gonna be uh spending with you on the 21st of May if you want to talk about that.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

Yeah certainly I'm very excited about it because you and the uh the other individuals who are leading Good MorningHR it's uh what what's important to me um uh with my company AI agility is to really meet people where they're at in the in the in the situation so my first question uh back to you is about as we're as we were planning this uh coming up for Good Morning HR is uh who's going to be in the room? Where are they at? And as you're talking about okay these are um uh a lot of HR leaders senior leaders and organizations uh from the Mauritius um area and um and and where um where are they at right now from an AI adoption point of view so that's sort of the first question I have and as you had already shared with everyone uh on the on the podcast here they're at a very basic level right even the ones who are starting to work with it and I mean them and their organizations there's a lot of a lot of business a lot of activity in Mauritius and um but from an AI adoption point of view they're right at the beginning piece of it. So from an IT investment point they're at the beginning piece as well they're starting some investments to go in there but from a people perspective they're certainly at the beginning of that. So what does that mean? What am I going to talk about? We're gonna go through some of the basics and fundamentals of AI literacy so that people know that AI is not something to be feared but something to be embraced because it can really empower not only the people who are there for Good MorningHR, but also their organizations. So what my objective for the um for the event is to really help them number one feel more comfortable about AI because they have more knowledge about it, but they know how to apply AI from some of the exercises we're going to be doing they know how to apply it to start to get immediate benefit for their particular roles in their organizations. And that means a little something different to uh different people that's why all the all the exercises that we do um each individual will be doing them uh on their own sort of like fill in the blanks like you know what I mean because we'll we we frame the I frame the exercises but I want everybody to get immediate value and that's what we do with all of our programs Jenny and in particular with Good MorningHR it's really really important to me that each of the individuals feels when they walk in the room to when they walk out of the room the transformation that I want to see and that will be leading for that organization is that when they walk out of the room they're saying wow I understand AI a little bit better now. I'm more confident with it. I played with it during the session I know how it can apply directly to my role I know how I can bring this back to my company because me as an HR leader or as a senior leader in the organization, I care about the people in my organization. So now I'm starting to understand how I can bring this into the organization in order to affect change across all the people and start to assist on the people first adoption of AI versus just the technology adoption of AI. So that's what we have fun exercises that we'll go through and it's very interactive, very engaging. It's all to help people experience it. Not just learn about AI, but experience it. And when people start to experience it they start to get to the aha moments and they're like oh my goodness this will save me time or this will help me out. And something you and I have talked about before is when you use AI properly and it's not just a one and done thing where you press a button and I'm using AI that there's that that's why we're doing the programs together. There's nuance to it. But when you use AI properly it can reduce the cognitive load on the person on the human which frees them up to have more time for relationships for other things that humans do so well together but we take away some of the stuff that more be more more tedious more stressful more processing and burnout as well you take away the burnout hopefully yeah yeah so when you use AI properly you reduce the opportunity for burnout as well so I'm excited about the event it's gonna be a lot of fun oh me too me too it would be great 21st of May here we go 21st of May everybody everybody uh in Burishus go yes in Borishious absolutely yeah anything what else you want to ask me yeah so I want to ask I want to ask you uh um just a little bit more um what do you think is from a from a belief perspective what's a belief about AI or about people and transformation you and I talk a lot about change management and uh when you think about the the uh the leaders of the organizations and having to lean into the change management of technology and people and everything that's changing today you know what's um and we've moved a lot in the last five years so this is this is a uh uh it's it's a memory oriented question or it's a a question of uh how how has how has Jenny changed her mindset from five years ago to today so what's what's a belief what's a belief about people in transformation um that you had five years ago before this big AI wave that we're in now that's different now so like how do you think differently about people in transformation in today's world versus five years ago all right now if I had to go back five years ago and I'm getting too old for this match of trying to think about you know from last week to the next what am I gonna be doing my bloody my my brain cells or just anyway I think five years ago I believed digital tools would make us feel more disconnected I think this is it and and that technology was probably the enemy of being of of uh avoiding us from preventing us from being present in the present in the in the in the moment but since then I have seen how AI and you know the thing is that AI is a non-negotiable thing right um there's nothing we can do about it so we have got to embrace it whatever we wanted to but when we used it but the question of when to use it correctly and if you use it correctly you can strip away like we just talk about the busy work that causes burnout and actively gives us more time to be actually be present in the present moment so so for me technology can be a catalyst for deeper connect for deeper human connection provided we integrate human wisdom into it um and for me my biggest question is is that if we do not uh be able to create and strike that balance of integrating human wisdom back into AI I I have this apprehension that we people like you and I or even maybe the Gen Z to a certain extent are uh which is the latest generation of is the Gen Alpha coming up I don't know about Gen Z in the workplace um are we the the the the last human generation with wisdom because if we don't because that's the question that I ask myself is that if we do not bring the human wisdom back and the ability as human to enhance our critical thinking skills and aid all the tools that we have as human to leverage AI and we we we flip it and we let AI take over human being like our brain like any muscle if you don't train it what does it do like going to the gym like I said with the muscle it's going to regress.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

So human regress and we lose our wisdom and what is left behind just machines. And that is a scary thought isn't it so if there's anybody listening to to this podcast I think that is what I would like to actually people with. Are we the last generation of humans with wisdom? And that is a big question mark and that is something that I think we all need to really ponder on reflect on not react on it but reflect on it and and and and really and sort of see um where we are at and the only only term for me um the the the only condition not the term the only condition that I I I I went into AI with thinking 5.0 was with this this condition is that if I'm gonna be working with AI it's got to be a tool that is going to integrate the human wisdom back into into technology. And that was for me a not a non-negotiable term and this is why where this is where I am today. I hope it answers your question.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

Yeah it does and I actually that that answers the question as I wanted to um uh as I as I wanted to wrap up because it's a big big question that you uh or a big uh thought that you just uh put out there like is this the last or are we you know the the the the members of the planet right now the last generation with human wisdom I as we as we wrap what I want you I want you to sort of lead the audience into uh because there's multiple outcomes to that question right we could be the last generation we want more but you mentioned critical thinking what are your thoughts as it relates to a leader listening to uh today's program um you asked a big question about like you know if you're not engaged with this if the technology and the in the and the the human thinking critical thinking are not tied together if you don't keep that critical thinking aspect um then it can get to a we just become a processing machine right we we lose our our humanity so what is a good outcome I guess what is a from a uh just as we wrap up uh I want to I want to leave on a on a high note for a leader who's listening in saying wow Jenny's really on top of things she's bringing up some really good points yeah this could go the wrong way if we're not careful so what's the good way for it to go is it just being as a as a leader is it being staying keeping your critical thinking muscle going every day uh with AI and thinking about things I guess what what's your what what's what's your one takeaway for leaders for a leader to really uh lean into something and take action with something based on our discussion today I think I think it's understanding that's a very good question actually I mean they're all very good questions but this is a good question to wrap up I think it's really going back to what I just said about a symbiotic balance about the the the the the relationship of AI and human wisdom so I think leaders who understand the true relationship of AI and human wisdom will be the one that will thrive.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Because more than ever it is vital for leaders to adopt a growth mindset about the human potential it can unlock with AI. The future is not about AI the future is about evolving our collective intelligence as humans using AI. So AI provides the tool to speed up the machine but the human must learn to use his wisdom to power the future because the AI cannot see the future it's just spitting out information. But the human with the human wisdom can power the future if you see what I'm what I'm trying to say so so yeah so this is what I what I like to to leave the the the the audience with is is to is to really understand that. Like I said again and I love repetition because that's how the brain brain learns is through repetition is that if if if we don't uh create a situation where we we constantly uh uh train our brain in a certain way to understand things or to move and to and to think and to reflect on things we are going we are going to move backwards we are going to move because the brain is always gonna go for the way of least resistance is always gonna find the easier way out but the easier way out in everything that we do at the beginning is to wow it's amazing I'll find a solution but it would make you hit a wall eventually and when it hits that wall there is no way out then you have to go back again it's gonna be 10 times more difficult then to go back and to find another route because going have it taking that easy way out makes you hit that wall and there is no way any way to go further um and I think that's an important part and I always try to teach the Gen Z that I work with that particular message is that it's so easy to just say oh but the AI would take care of it. The AI would take care of that. But if the AI is just a machine you are the one with the wisdom that can actually be able to gauge whether this is really ethical or this is not ethical is this is this really going to make a difference if I say it in that way you can use AI to to prompt it and to and to and to create and and and create the structure but to palm beat it you need the human wisdom to really make it into this work of art that you want to actually create that is something that AI cannot do to a certain extent because AI we just stereotype everything based ironically on the on the on the human intelligence that created it in the first place. So yeah on this optimistic note this is all all that I have to say.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

That's absolutely brilliant Jenny thank you for sharing that love the perspective how can how can people contact you or your organization or learn more about you what's the best way for them to get in touch with you if they want to learn more on on LinkedIn Jenny Corton that's for sure and obviously thinking 5.0 on LinkedIn as well is the that's the best way.

SPEAKER_00 39:40

We have regular uh we actually got a regular as you know uh a 30 minutes uh that uh Fiona Hills my co-porter and myself are doing at the moment which is uh a LinkedIn direct on on every Monday's uh UK time 12 o'clock about cyber readiness cyber readiness is another uh issue and and again there I mean I don't don't get me started with cyber readiness because that will be another podcast altogether but it is really about cognitive dissonance and about how to regain that ability for for the human to um again have the knowledge of the we've got all the technology of the inner world we firewall but uh the but the internal firewall which sits between the two ears is not being taken care of. And and yet 88% of of cybersecurity issues are human errors. That's the irony of it. So yeah so and thank you Fabor on LinkedIn or um Jenny Gorton on LinkedIn as well I suppose beautiful that's great.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

We'll include that in the show notes as well for the people who might be uh driving or might check uh take a look at this later just to make it easy so people can just link to that. And again Jenny thank you so much for your time today for bringing your perspective your wisdom everything that you brought to the table today um it absolutely um brilliant there's a lot of good things here um hopefully everyone is able to uh take some good notes from this and some good mental notes to apply and um if today's and and um if today's episode gave uh you something to think about as a listener you know share it with one leader in your network someone in your one of your colleagues someone else who you respect in the field that's how ideas become movements and until next time remember this is your opportunity to make your workforce superhuman and it starts with you