Episode 22 The 27 Club

Sabryna and Joey work together to go over what the 27 Club is and why it holds significance. The theory revolves around many celebrities and what happens at the age of 27. Joey does a great job with the research found on the celebrities to which this theory has affected and why it is believed to be myth and fact in certain areas
 
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SPEAKER_04 0:17

Today we are going on to episode number what episode are we on? We are on episode number 22, and this one is going to be handed over to Joey.

SPEAKER_01 0:37

With this episode coming out on April 27th, this is actually a great time to talk about the 27 Club. Wait, the 27 Club is an informal list consisting mostly of popular magicians who died at the age of 27. Although the claim of a satanic spike for death of magicians at that age had been reverted by scientific research, it remains the most common cultural conspection that phenomen that the phenomenal exists with many celebrities who died at 27 noted for their high-risk lifestyles. The original basics for the notion was a cluster of pereminate magicians' deaths at the age of 27 between 1969 and 1971. Most notable Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Jenan Joplins, and Jim Morrison. But only after the death of Kurt Cobain in 1994 was the notion of a club established. So it took all the way up until Kurt Cobain, the before anybody like really was putting the dots together with all the artists dying at 27.

SPEAKER_04 2:36

Yes, I have Luna up in my lap and I'm giving her love while we record.

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And the death of Amy Winehouse in 2011 enhanced its prominence. Definitely write up secluded a number of other musicians and sometimes other celebrities. Between 1969, 1971. I'll just mention that. Of course, it's just going back over the list. Oh wow, I'm a big dumbass. You know what I did? All I didn't know is I literally just did. I fucking retyped them up again. Yep. Because I'm like, uh I was like, I just read all of this. Then I'm actually looking, I was like, oh I was like, I cannot believe I just did that. So hey, note to self. Need to start checking my notes before we record.

SPEAKER_04 3:59

We say that a long time ago.

SPEAKER_03 4:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 4:02

And you still refuse to do it.

unknown 4:04

Kind of, yeah. Okay.

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But often as a result of drug and alcohol abuse or violence means such as homicide, suicide, or transportation-related accidents. The cultural interpretation of events give the rise to an urban myth that celebrities deaths or more common at twenty-seven, a claim that has been refuted by satanic researchers.

SPEAKER_04 4:52

Yes, I'm just trying to get Luna comfortable.

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However, a subesquent synthetic analyst that the myth itself has shaped to a cultural memory by boosting the visibility and cultural prominence of those who died at twenty seven. Are you good, girl? The Conditwitz gave rise to some comment, but according to Charles R. Cross, a biographer of Hendricks and Kurt Cobain, it wasn't till Kurt Cobain took his own life in 1994 that the ideal of the 27 Club arrived in the popular Zedetics. Cross claims that the launch of the club concept can be traced to be growing influence of the internet and sensational celebrity journalism on popular culture in the years following Cobain's death, as well as media interpretations of a statement by Kurt Cobain's mother, Wendy Frontenberg. Hopefully I pronounced her name right. Or her last name. Now he's gone. Joined that stupid club. I told him not to join that stupid club. Many journalists interpreted her words as referring to the infamous untimely death of fellow rock magicians. A view shared by Cross and Orgary Patterson. The attended meaning of that stupid club reference to well. Now that one I did not know. Eric Soligosted, author of the Twenty Sevens, the great myth of rock and roll, asserted that she was actually referring to the tragic family matter of Cobain's two uncles and his great uncle, all of whom had committed suicide. Other commitary journalists linked her quote to the recent heroin-related deaths of fellow young Seattle rock magician, Stefan Sergeant of a seven-year bitch, and Andrew Wood of Mother Love Bone, both aged 24, cross himself, dismissed the acerb notion that Kirk Cobain intentionally timed his death so he could join the 27 club. I mean, I wasn't even born yet. So he could have, could've not. Yeah, I did not realize he had that many drug overdoses. Is that what you're referencing? Made several previous suicide attempts at various ages. Damn, Curbane. The fuck was wrong with you there, brother? In 2011, Amy Weinhouse died at the age of 27, promoting a renewed swell of media attention devoted to the 27 club. Three years earlier, Winehouse's personal assistant, Alex Haynes, told both British press that Weinstein, then 25, fear she would join Jim Morrison, Brian Jones, Kirk Cobain are dying at 27. She revoked she would join the 27 club of rock stars who died at that age, she told me. I have a feeling I'm gonna die young. Now, I wonder how many people have also heard about this one. The white lighter myth.

SPEAKER_04 11:13

Uh depends on what you're referring to, I may have.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Every one of these artists that I've mentioned so far has had a white lighter in their left pocket. Or on them.

SPEAKER_04 11:44

Cannibalism or cannabis.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

Cannabis. Hey. You know, we just woke up not that long ago, so I know.

SPEAKER_04 12:00

But damn, that that's a heavy turn from cannabis to cannibalism.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Yeah, I know. It don't help I don't got my glasses on either.

SPEAKER_04 12:09

That's your own fault.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Yeah. But uh urban legend emerged in the popular culture of smoking and cannabis as a so-called white lighter myth or white lightning curse. It purpits that Hendrix Joplin Morrison Kur Kurb uh Cobain Jesus and others linked to the 27 Club died in the possession of a white disposable cigarette lighter. Leading such items to become associated with bad fortune. Snoops discredited the theory in tw 2017. Nothing that the BIC did, not until preceding disposable items until 1973. Several years after the deaths of Hendrix Joplins or Joplin and Morrison. But of course, they might have been not didn't come in production until 1973.

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Yeah, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

What were they using way back prior to that? Like zippos. No, I I think zippos was in that time error, but I might be wrong. Because I know they had uh weird lighters back then.

SPEAKER_04 14:17

Well weird lighters doesn't really answer the question.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

But I I don't think it was a zippo. It was like pre-Zippos.

SPEAKER_04 14:33

Well, you know how people are once they find uh the commonality, they have to put blame on something.

SPEAKER_01 14:40

But it could they could have had white lighters out back then too. Just uh disposable lighters didn't come out until the 70s, until 73. So I wonder if it's just referencing that they all had a white lighter back then.

SPEAKER_04 15:02

A white weird lighter?

SPEAKER_01 15:08

It does kind of look weird.

SPEAKER_04 15:10

I I'm I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about, but I just I think it's funny that you all you could think of was weird lighter.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

They are, they look fucking weird. At least some of them. But despite the culture uh sacrificely given to magicians who and celebrities' deaths at the age of 27, the comic claim that they are said more common at this age is an urban myth and referred it to by uh scientific research. A study by Universal Academies published in British Medical Journal in December of 2011 concluded that there was no increase in risk of death for musicians at the age of 27, stating that they were equally small increases at the age of 25 and 32. The study noted that young adult musicians having a higher death rate than the general young adult population. So missing that the conclusion that would be drawn in such fame may increase the risk of death among muticians, but the risk is not limited to the age of 27. A 2014 article at the article article at the conversation suggested that said I'm having a long moment.

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Let me see.

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Satatical stats.

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Statistical?

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Yeah, statistical evidence shows a popular magician or most likely to die at the age of 56, 2.2% compared to the one three 1.3% at 27. Ooh, one that just popped in. Several ambitions have been developed to the idea as well as novels, films, stage play, songs, video games, and comics. Then, of course, in music. Hopefully, I've referenced that right. Is a reference to the club, the lyrics explore, the harmonistic lifestyles common in rock and roll. Pete Wance, the primary locust Fallout Boys wrote a song because he felt that he was living in a similar dangerous lifestyle. John Craig's song 28, which appeared on his 2009 album, and 2018 live album opening for Steinsbeck is written by perspectives of the 27 Club, members uh Jim Morrison, Janice Applins, and Kirk Cobain. As each completes their respective morally and images, what they would do different if I could only make it to 28. Craig wrote that the song when he himself was 27. The theme is referred to the song 27 Forever by Eric Burden on his 2013 album To the River Runs Dry.

SPEAKER_04 20:18

So what would you do different if you could only make it to 28?

SPEAKER_01 20:22

I'm already past 28.

SPEAKER_04 20:24

Well, I know. But I'm saying if you knew you were only gonna make it to 28, what would you do different, anyway?

SPEAKER_00 20:37

That's a hard one. That's a hard one. I don't want to talk about that one. Not at least on what's it called?

SPEAKER_01 20:52

Not on the episode.

SPEAKER_04 20:54

Oh, I think I see where you're coming from.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 20:59

Sorry.

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But Hausie's song Colors from her debuted album Badlands in 2015 includes the line, I hope you make it to the day you're 28 years old. Of course, when I would. But let's just go off track real quick. Housey's debuted album was in 2015. Honestly, I swear I thought she came out earlier than that. She could have. That album was got it. Got AM? Hopefully. That's how I'm gonna read it. Or no good AM. This is what happens when you don't got glasses on when you need them, people. Features the line to everyone who sells me drugs, don't mix it with that bullshit. I'm hoping not to join the 27 club. Mac Miller died in 2018 at the age of 26 from a drug overdose after consuming counterfeit oxycoding.

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Codone.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

What? Oxycodo.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Yes. Oxycodo.

SPEAKER_04 22:46

Codone.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

Codone. Pills containing fentanyl. Frank O'Shing referred to the club and white lighter myth on the song Knights from his 2016 album Blind, where he says, No white lighters till I fuck my 28 up. I'm gonna have to listen to that one because I am because I want to get the reference to that. Then Adora O. Delano released a song called 27 Club on her studio album Whatever 2017 with repeated lyric. All of those legends died at 27. Delena was age 27 at the time of the release. Hopefully I pronounced her name right, but I don't think I did. Referenced the club on his song Legends 2018, where he says, What's the 27th club? We ain't making it past 21. And I think that's when, like, uh, what is that? About that time is uh when it went from the 27 club to the 21 club. Which that's like more for the newer generation of rappers, like reference and uh juice, X and all of them. Like the newer generation of rappers. Then to my best acknowledgement, only like main video game I can find a referencing the 27 Club was in the video game Hitman uh 2016 and one of the in-game missions 27 Club involves killing a indie mus an indie magician who is celebrating his twenty-seventh birthday. What I didn't do on this episode.

SPEAKER_04 25:27

Oh, starter shenanigans. You made it a whole episode without your shenanigans for a change. Are we gonna end it off with some shenanigans?

SPEAKER_01 25:55

Besides just hearing me over here fucking dying.

SPEAKER_04 26:01

We'll go smoke another one. We're not allowed to die.

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All right, let's go.

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