Episode 26 Billy Milligan Part 2

Join Joey and Sabryna from Ghost and Gavel as we dive into the life of Billy Milligan. A person that brought nation wide eyes down on his case as it became the first in the United States to get a not guilty ruling after a plea for insanity. Dive a little deeper on this case as we discuss the crimes that took place and where.

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Netflix documentary The 24 Faces of Billy Milligan
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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

Welcome to Ghost and Gavel with Joey and Sabrina. Welcome into episode 26, Billy Milligan Part 2. Now we're gonna hand it over to Sabrina.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Okay, before we get started, let's do a little, you know, cleanup of everything. First of all, can you believe we are six months in, Joey? We this'll be six months worth of episodes here. Six months. Kind of crazy already. I know. It's hard to believe we've been uh recording for that long. There's that, and then I want to remind everybody that we do have the social media. Our social media is we do have TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook, um, all of which are ghost and gavel. And then we do have our email, ghost and gavel, all one word at gmail.com, where if you have your own personal stories you would like to share on here, and we can, if you're open to it, read them as part of an episode. And if we get enough, um maybe even start making episodes of different encounters that our listeners have had. But we were also just kind of throwing around the idea that I don't know if any of our listeners would be interested, which we do have to thank our consistent listeners that have been here, especially people like my friend Beth, who has been listening the whole time. We greatly appreciate you. Um we want to remind our listeners that we are doing this independently, recording independently, doing our own editing, things like that. So everything has been a learning process. But again, we were throwing around the idea of potentially maybe starting up something like a listener's Patreon, having a couple different options, um some incentives, maybe even like mini episodes that weren't quite long enough to meet our um stipulations that we were hoping for for regular episodes, throwing in some mini episodes throughout the month, or maybe even, like I said, if we start getting in like different encounters with the paranormal, or if you've got true crime that you want us to look into, um ideas from our listeners personally, and we do episodes on those, maybe throw those in as extra episodes throughout the week for our Patreon members. But you know, that was just a little cleanup that I wanted to do before we get got started. Um, so let's get back into it. We have Billy Milligan part two, like Joey said, and we are gonna get into the crimes and arrests and things of that sort. So we're gonna kind of go back a little bit and get into his history of crimes and kind of where things started with him. When Billy was just 17 years old, he began dabbling with drugs, and this is when he was arrested for the first time for rape and attempted kidnapping. At 19, Billy started hanging around local areas where gays met up for dates and sex. We have to remember that this is still like, you know, the 60s, 70s, stuff was less acceptable than it is now. Um, and that's kind of the best way I can put it because I know it's been a topic of discussion for legality, even here as of late. Um, Billy would then proceed to rob them. So he wasn't necessarily meeting up for the what they intended. Um the thing about this one, nobody wanted to report them because they didn't want to be known, they didn't want it to be known that they were in a quote unquote gay spot. He later gets caught for burglary at a local drugstore and serves two years in the Lebanon Correctional Facility. It would be here that he got his first diagnosis, hysterical personality with schizoid features, although he did not receive care for it while he was there, it is said. Now, when it comes to the main campus situation that we were discussing here previously, it is claimed that one named Reagan was the one that he had planned to rob the victims and take the money and leave. However, it was Adalana who took over his crime and sexually assaulted them. So if we go back and we just kind of remember some of the altars that we had, Reagan was one of them. Adelana, I want to say, is how you we pronounced it, was another one, and they each had different parts in the crime. In the interviews, it was interesting how personalities would talk to and about each other, like each encompassed their own body, and they were kind of bickering children almost.

SPEAKER_02 6:51

They are all bickering with each other within the same body.

SPEAKER_00 6:55

Yeah, pretty much.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

I mean, kind of like we mentioned before, interesting how he isn't aware of them, but if they don't like what he's doing, they can step in, type of thing. And we were kind of discussing that in the first episode, how you know, uh different theories on that almost. Like he, you know, maybe they didn't want things to happen, so they would then step in, like when we discussed how he had attempted suicide and they stepped in. It was October of 1977 when authorities arrested 22-year-old Billy Milligan, the Ohio State University, so OSU officer who rode with Milligan to Columbus, Ohio. Police headquarters said in an interview in 2007 that he had told dispatchers, I couldn't tell you what's going on, but it's like I was talking to different people at different times.

SPEAKER_02 8:09

I think both of those colleges were in Cincinnati. So why would they drive north up to Columbus for?

SPEAKER_01 8:19

Uh well, this is Ohio State University that we are discussing, and then the one we discussed previously was just Ohio University, which I believe Ohio University was further north. As for Ohio State, maybe you can look that up. Um I don't recall where that one is located. Joey, you know, geographics is not my thing. It's ghost and crimes.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Okay, so Ohio University is in uh Athens, Ohio, so now I see why they went to Columbus.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

That is Ohio University though. That was the haunting one. So we're talking about Ohio State.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

Yep. I'm just trying to get a clarification on both. So Ohio State University Medical Retalibation Rehabilitation. Yep. Uh our Park Columbus is in Columbus, Ohio.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

Okay, so they're both a little further up north, and we were talking about in our previous haunting episode how these crimes occurred at Ohio State. However, at the time, uh the campus for Ohio University was actually a hospital where he had been institutionalized for a bit. So they were right around the same area you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 10:09

Pretty much what I'm looking at, probably roughly about an hour drive away. So pretty close together. Then you would run into where he was at.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Okay. Like I said, geography is not my thing, and we all know that.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

But with you with us being locals to the area, we should know the big seas of Ohio.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Cincinnati, Columbus, and yeah, I know the big seas, but I'm not familiar with the little outskirt parts of it. Like, you know, we're talking about Athens, which yes, is close to Columbus, but I I knew it was close to Columbus, but you know, again, we're getting into very specifics of geography, and that is not my area.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Ghost and crime is see, but the thing is, we're talking about way too many different things in Ohio. I still thought we were physically talking about the colleges. Because Ohio does have multiple colleges like we do. Like there's Xavier Ohio State University and whatever the third one is. Ohio University.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

Yeah, we are still talking about the universities, uh, because this is where the crimes were committed and where he was institutionalized.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

So all the crimes took place in Cincinnati then?

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Uh took place uh like Ohio State University, which you said was up towards Columbus in another direction, right? So yeah, we're still talking about Ohio in general, but you're getting down to the specifics of where these are located. Okay, so where you got confused is the fact that all throughout the state of Ohio there are different campuses under the same name.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

Yes. Like it's just I'm more used to the ones that's in Cincinnati. And when you were mentioning about the one up in Columbus and Atkins, I'm like, oh, those are in Cincinnati. But I didn't realize the one up in Columbus was a a treatment center versus a normal college.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

Now, see that that's the thing too. Yes, I mean it's kind of like Cincinnati. Let's take Cincinnati and one of the colleges you mentioned down there, uh, University of Cincinnati. Okay, so if you look all over, even in the state of Kentucky, you have multiple um different uh doctors' offices, for instance, that are based out of University of Cincinnati. Okay, so that's even down here in our area in Kentucky, you have UC Hospital doctor's offices. So they're all through UC Hospital, but they're UC is also considered a college as well. So that's kind of the same way there is because they are so known in the medical field in our area, they train a lot of our medical staff for our area when it comes to college degrees. Yes, you have college campuses and you have doctor's offices, hospitals, rehabilitation centers, all that are named after the same thing. So you have University of Cincinnati, that is a college, which actually I went to for a little bit for my early childhood degree. Um, but you also have University of Cincinnati Hospital, which also I've been to for a bit, like we discussed in previous episodes. Addie was almost born up there at University of Cincinnati Hospital.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

We were also talking about that when we recorded the Manson episode. I think it was Manson. I think it was.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

I think it was. We were talking about where he was born, where one of them was born.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

I think it was Manson because it was under an O name.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Right. We were talking about where they were born, and it just happened to be like it brought up UC, and we were just kind of throwing in a little personal information, which, like I said, you know, my daughter was almost born there when I went into preterm labor with her. Um, it was definitely a struggle. But I know you were a premi too. Okay, so now that we have geographical stuff figured out and, you know, what um the differentiating between the universities and their medical uh buildings and things like that. Let's continue on. It was during evaluation. Milligan claimed no wrongdoing and blamed alters for the crime. So it sounds like if he was blaming alters, he was somewhat aware, maybe, but I guess wasn't quite aware of their function and things just yet.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

To me, if he's blamed, I think he fully like was aware and everything else to like understand everything and that whole type of stuff. So he probably knew. But I just think all the other personas was just trying to block it out to make it seem like he didn't realize.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Maybe Milligan's Trail was considered a landmark trail for which the dis art trail. Milligan's trial, wow.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

Hey, don't feel too bad. I've done it in a previous episode too.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Was considered a landmark trial for which the decisions the decision was made on December fourth, nineteen seventy-eight. Milligan became the first defendant found not guilty by reason of insanity due to multiple personality disorder. He was admitted into Athens Mental Institution. So that's where that comes in. The Ohio University. Remember how we talked about it, it was originally a uh mental institution, and there's the name for it again coming up, Athens Mental Institution.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Okay, but my thing is when they took them up to Columbus, why would they take them up to Columbus when I'm pretty sure Athens has a police department, sheriff's department, and everything else?

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Probably because I would say the extent of the crime, because it was such a severe crime, they uh probably needed a bigger station and uh people that had more capability of investigating the crimes. And with that being said, I mean the crimes weren't committed in Athens, remember, they were committed at the Ohio State University campus.

SPEAKER_03 18:37

Which is up in the one, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Wherever you said that one was, you said that one was a little further southwest or southeast or something.

SPEAKER_03 18:47

Yeah, in Athens.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

That would that's Ohio University. You're getting them mixed up again.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Ohio University.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

Yep. Okay, so Ohio State University in Columbus is where the crimes took place. The Athens Medical Center or Ohio University, as it was later known, was the one in Athens, Ohio. So something interesting I found out on this episode. What I didn't find out was.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

So where was he arrested at?

SPEAKER_01 19:45

Ohio State University, which you said was in Columbus. And the crimes was in Columbus, Ohio State University. If that's where you're saying it's located. Okay, so that's where they took place was the Ohio State University campus.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

Okay, so I just assume it white.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

Where does the Ohio University and Al Remember how we talked about in the Hauntings uh episode of Ohio University? It was originally a mental institution. It w there was there was campuses of Ohio University, but one of the one of the campuses that we were talking about was originally a medical institution well known for its mental institutionalizations of people like Billy Milligan.

SPEAKER_02 20:56

Okay, so he got arrested in Columbus, they shipped him to Athens to the treatment center.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

This was after his trial. So he went through everything in Columbus. In the court of law. In the court of law, he went through everything in Columbus. And after his trial, and he was he was uh found not guilty due to um reason of insanity. This was the first case known to have gone through as not guilty because of reason of insanity. It was, like I said, a landmark case. Um and then after that trial was completed, he was uh ordered to be institutionalized, to which he was done he had done so in Athens, which is now known as. As Ohio University.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

That's where I was just confused at it.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

Pretty much, yes. Okay, so, anyways, um something I found interesting about the Athens Mental Institution is it was actually considered a low security facility, and the patients were able to roam pretty freely. So, I mean you gotta think about the extent of these crimes. Even though he was found not guilty, he was sent to a low security area where he was pretty much able to roam freely and do as he pleased.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

Then that must have been a I think they considered him a tier one prison-wise.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Well, this wasn't even a prison. We got to remember this was a mental institution.

SPEAKER_02 23:01

Yeah, but it would still be considered like a prison. It would be a tier one where it's minimum everything.

SPEAKER_01 23:08

Right. Their goal was to get him to an to be an active member of a society through art therapy. And again, I love that some of these forms of therapy are used to that extent because I mean, you know, you have seen where I struggle mentally and things I'm still overcoming, and things that help me getting lost in books, art, creative areas. And I believe a lot of that would help if we brought it back to some of these facilities. Um, but as for uh their great coping skills, arts, crafts, writing, things of that sort. But as for somebody with a crime history, again, even found not guilty, I think that would be concerning in today's times. I mean, being found not guilty of the crimes that we're talking about, but he still has quite the history, criminal history, of things like burglary and stuff of that sort. It is said that later on Billy was writing letters in other languages depending on which altar was coming through. DID research, which, if you recall, um is the medical term for the multiple personalities that we discussed originally. Uh DID research claims that rather than have all these different personalities running around with DID, it's more likely comma, comma. Wow, I just combined two of those words.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Uh trauma causing a person to almost not be fully developed.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

It just took me that long to realize what you said.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

I said comma, and I I was reading ahead and put cause and trauma together, yes.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

To me, it sounded like it was more a common and trauma mixed together.

SPEAKER_00 25:58

I'm really struggling today.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

So they're basically saying that a lot of issues that are revolved with DID is caused because of a person not being fully developed due to trauma. The person splits off different parts of themselves and have trouble experiencing certain emotions or feel like they are outside of themselves when they get in certain situations or things don't seem real to them. The sexual assaults start with him approaching his first victim in the parking lot of Ohio State University. The second victim was leaving the university hospital after her shift when he kidnapped her, and the third one was around the dorms. There was supposedly even a fourth one, not on campus, but within Columbus, Ohio. He ended up robbing each one of their money after the assault. After these began happening, the campus did offer women the possibility to have someone walk with them. It's actually great, I guess, that a university the university itself did respond so quickly because, as we will see in many cases that we cover, law enforcement doesn't always necessarily do that. After the crimes were committed, the women were able to identify him and run through the timeline of events, and they were even able to pull fingerprints off of the cars. Now, do we remember this is 1977? So DNA testing wasn't what it is today. However, as we discussed, he did have previous experience with the law, and they were able to pull his mugshot and compare fingerprints to previous run-ins with the law. Once he was identified, they were able to obtain a search warrant and found quote trophies, unquote, of his victims in the house. He also tried to tell them that a bomb was in the home to buy himself time. Come to find out it was a fake bomb, but police did notice that mentally something was not quite right when they first took him in. When they talked to him, he was very withdrawn and withheld and began speaking in other accents. With that being said, he was quickly evaluated. He also began trying to commit suicide fairly quickly when first being apprehended by tearing the toilet off the wall and breaking it to cut himself so that was another reason for a mental evaluation.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

Not really, because it's the toilets ain't really up against the wall.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

But the piping, like to pull a toilet off the pipes. I'm I'm weak.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

Are we talking about like at a house or a facility building or what?

SPEAKER_01 30:13

At a house. This was at his house prior to apprehending him. He ripped the toilet off the pipes, shattered it, and took a piece of the porcelain from the toilet to try to commit suicide before being apprehended.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

But most toilets, if it's a common toilet, it is only four screws, four bolts. That is it.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

We have to remember, I'm a weakling here.

SPEAKER_00 30:45

Okay, you may be able to do it, but the strength it would take me to do that, like if I go in the bathroom right now, I am not ripping that toilet up off the piping.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

It's not connected to the piping though. It's connected to the floor. Right. I'm not gonna you just gotta be four screws, four bolts, probably some washers and some uh whatever that glue is called. That is it.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

But again, can we remember how weak I am?

SPEAKER_00 31:22

All of my medical issues and how weak I am. I am not going in there to pull a toilet up off the floor. Maybe you can.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

Maybe I could have five, ten years ago, but as of right now, and all my medical issues, that's definitely not happening. When he was in his cell, they found a lot of artwork, but it ranged from being really detailed and other to others even look like a child possibly drew them. So that was another thing I found interesting too, is the range in artwork depending on the altar. Billy did eventually get a light release. He was able to walk around in society free, buy a car, and come and go as he pleased. Now, this is after the trial, okay? So we're going into after the trial, while he was in the mental facility in Athens, they eventually gave him a light release where he was able to walk around free in society, buy a car, and come and go as he pleased. He was still within the state's hands, but he had some extra privileges, let's say. They did eventually pass a bill when he started to get started getting book offers and um TV and movie offers. This bill stated that he essentially wouldn't be able to make money off his crime through documentaries. However, he was able to make money off his artwork, and his artwork was considered part of him, not his crimes. Although it was very controversial as to the community wanting him in with general society, and rightfully so, even though he again was he did convince a jury of his peers that he was not guilty based on reason of insanity. Can we really overlook him being identified even with the mental issues? Those whose crimes escalate the way Billy's did tend to reoffend and get worse over time. But he was known to get special privileges due to the frame that was brought, the fame that was bought, brought.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

Apparently so.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

Sometime after he was on light release, he did end up getting caught doing things like giving alcohol to young girls. He then was caught out in the hospital orchard having sex with the girls. It was not proven, but there was also a lady that claimed he had raped her during this time frame. The main reason he was suspected is because there was an eyewitness that saw him with her prior to it happening. After this, he was taken in the middle of the night to, I want to say it's Lima State Hospital. Lima State Hospital? Not really sure. It looks like it's spelt like Lima bean. So this was a high security hospital and housed men that were even serial killers or one that had even killed, ones that had even killed their own families. This was a complete change compared to where he was at.

SPEAKER_02 36:20

Just a quick one. Is that L-I-M-A?

SPEAKER_01 36:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

What did you say that was again?

SPEAKER_01 36:27

State Hospital.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

Here he also changed doctors, and what you need to know is it was believed the doctors he had up until this point saw him as pretty much a cash cow because books were being written, TV shows, bless you, were being made, movies were being talked about, so it was believed that their opinions were somewhat biased to an extent because they were using him for their own fame, even though he couldn't necessarily make money. This new doctor did not believe it was DID and rediagnosed him with psychiatric schizophrenia. Wow. I really butchered that one. Psychopathic schizophrenic with disassociative tendencies.

SPEAKER_02 37:50

Okay, I'm not sure if you've done any research on the Lima State Hospital.

SPEAKER_01 37:55

Lima Lima? I know, not really. I was just researching where he had um his connection to it, basically.

SPEAKER_02 38:06

Okay, boy. The Lima State Hospital originally the Lima State Hospital for the Criminally Insane was a historical psycho psychoatric facility in Lima, Ohio, and it was closed and transported transformed into a medium security prison in 1982.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

Interesting and good to know. Maybe something we'll have to, you know, keep in mind for research on a later episode. Some of the criminals that were housed there. And I'm sure with it being a psychiatric hospital transformed into a prison, there are probably some paranormal things going on there as well.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

And like the closest, or sorry, but yes, it probably could be. But like the closest, biggest city that I could think of that you might know, it would be in between Columbus and Toledo, Ohio.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

So yeah, they probably took him there because it was close, and it was a close facility that was considered high um security at the time.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

Actually, it's only a medium, medium state.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

You said that was after the psychiatric facility closed. So originally it was a high security for the criminally insane, and then it got transitioned over to a medium security prison.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

Okay, here's one actually even better. Because it's like it's in between Columbus and Toledo, but depending on what part of Ohio you go to. But it's actually like you go like the big names would be Cincinnati, Dayton, uh Columbus, Toledo, and Cleveland. Like to me, that's like the big cities in Ohio.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Right. I mean, that's what I see as big cities as well, but recognizable at least. And Oregon. I forgot about Oregon.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

So for us to get there, we would actually have to go through like Cincinnati day in, then we'll run into it. Right. Like we're only about an roughly about an hour and a half, two hours away from it. And Dayton is actually not that far away from us because I've physically been to Dayton, Ohio before, Columbus, and all of that.

SPEAKER_01 41:12

So because Sabrina is uh geographically not that smart, uh, thank you, Joey, for describing all of that and giving us a rough picture of I I mean I get what you're saying. Um thank you for helping the audience understand.

SPEAKER_02 41:34

Okay. For you, because you don't know that much about it, but like where we went and got Batman and Luna, if we would have stayed on that highway, kept going northbound, uh 275, we would have eventually ran into it.

SPEAKER_01 41:50

Well, yeah, I get what you're saying now, but I definitely wouldn't have been able to s describe it previously unless you would have explained it to me. Batman and Luna are kitty cats, by the way. Two of our kitty cats. People were also concerned with the idea that yes, he was let off with innocent due to insanity. However, he did in fact commit violent crimes, and because he was under state's care, it should be for a judge to decide whether or not he should be allowed into society, which I think I can agree with that. That's kind of what I was saying before that even though he was let off as innocent due to insanity, you know, he was still within state custody, even being in a mental institution, and it was kind of risky putting him in society. It was rumored that Billy was a quote unquote ladies' man and interacted with other female patients and staff at the hospitals. It was even said he had been married while in the hospital. Billy eventually gets back to Athens hospital. He got into a dispute with his doctor and ended up just walking off campus.

SPEAKER_02 43:19

He's been jumping around all of central Ohio.

SPEAKER_01 43:23

Yeah, pretty much. He did a he did a lot of back and forth. Um, but with this uh the Lima one, he he just walked off campus. Like he got into it with his doctor and he just said bye.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

And honestly, to me, Lima's more south than central.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

Yeah. Oh no, you said it was going up a little bit more from Columbus.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Yes, that would still be considered uh central.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

It was suspected that Billy was working together with his attorney and a producer for a sitcom to be able to leave that day. He left across state lines with a rented car with a producer, which got the FBI involved. He would end up in Colorado and change his name, his social security, and full identity. Eventually, the attorney starts to express concerns for his mental health. So just now the attorney is expressing concerns for mental health. You know, when he jumps state lines, rents a car, changes his identity. All of it was set up, though, to get him to go to California to a state penitentiary hospital. However, Billy pulled the wool over their eyes and left for Florida. He was seen in many areas and states under different names. Florida is where Billy ended up getting caught sitting at a bar with his attorney. I have concerns for his mental health, but let's go get drunk.

SPEAKER_02 45:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

Billy had reached out to his aunt, who was actually working together with the FBI to locate him, and told her he would be home soon, and told her about where he was at. Of course, the FBI went there and, like I said, found him at the bar. After the FBI gets him into custody, they get an alert letting them know there was a report of a missing man in the area in which Billy was at. September 1986, Michael Matten had been reported by his father as missing when he hadn't heard from him in a while. The police went into investigation by talking to his friends, neighbors, and lo and behold, those friends happened to be Christopher Carr, which was a name Billy had chosen when he had changed his name. So they actually talked to Billy himself under a different identity. A neighbor, Lash Reportings, reported seeing Michael with Christopher on September 15th, which was the last time he would be seen by another person alive. It was said during this investigation that their last interaction was not a good one. They had been arguing between the two. So the missing man, Michael, and Billy, now known as Christopher, because of his change of identity, were last seen arguing, is what they're saying.

SPEAKER_02 47:29

Now, who is Michael again?

SPEAKER_01 47:31

That was the missing man, the man that got reported missing, last seen with Billy. So his name that was given to him at birth, but was going under the identity of Christopher.

unknown 47:48

Okay, I'm just kind of sorry.

SPEAKER_01 47:51

Christopher was a name that Billy gave himself. Yes, as far as I know, yes. Um, so this got the attention of authorities, the FBI, things of that sort. Um and like I said, he went through changing his identity and all of that stuff. So Christopher is the name he was going by. Christopher is Billy. Okay? Michael was the missing man. They found quote unquote Christopher at a joint bank account with Michael to take care of disability checks. When some checks came up missing, Michael had confronted Christopher or aka Billy. So Michael's disability checks came up missing. He confronted Christopher, or who he thought was Christopher, is actually Billy. When the FBI got clues that Christopher was in fact Billy, they searched his cousin's house who had received a call from the FBI looking for him. The cousin claimed that he left some items at his house and let them search the items. What they found was said to be items believed to be Michael's. So they believe it was, like many other criminals we'll talk about, trophies that he collected. Billy was returned back to Columbus, Ohio, under the care of the doctor that was a skeptic of his diagnosis. He then proceeds to go on a 50-day hunger strike. After the strike had ended, his attorney started working with him to petition the court for release to outpatient care. So you suspect him of being mentally insane, and then you help him. I mean, I guess, you know, an attorney is kind of signed to one person, but if you are believing issues, you're really going to help him petition to be outpatient. There were reports of a recent girlfriend who was meeting up with another man, and Billy finds out and calls them. He says something along the lines, you know I can kill you both and get away with it because all they all know I'm crazy now. It was also said he admits to another person that he had killed another man. These statements show awareness of his crime. Batman says he wants to join in. He wants to throw his theories in on this.

SPEAKER_03 51:17

He went through this small gap.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

I know. I saw that. Do you think he was aware of his crimes or do you think he was criminally insane?

SPEAKER_03 51:30

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

There are so many events throughout this story that show evidence of manipulation from Billy, but this right here shows he is aware of what he has done and is feeding speculations of the skeptics. It was in 2012 that Billy was diagnosed with cancer. In 2014, he passed from that cancer. It is said that on his deathbed, he had confessed to his niece that he had killed people. Unfortunately, he never gave names to give the families peace. But I have thought about this in the past. What makes a criminal suddenly confess on their deathbeds to clear their conscience before they go? I guess unless you were to have a near-death experience, we'll never truly know, right?

SPEAKER_02 52:43

Yeah. What is that? Confess it to law enforcement or investigators?

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Right, and he didn't give names, so they can't go back and look into you know these supposed deaths either and actually investigate them to get proof, even now. Um but I mean, what are your thoughts on him being criminally insane, diagnosis, especially after showing awareness for his crimes?

SPEAKER_02 53:27

He was guilty from the start.

SPEAKER_01 53:30

I think that shows more so narcissistic behaviors and really shows his.