Ghislaine Maxwell, Ted Waitt, and the Blackmail Shadow of Jeffrey Epstein

Breakups are messy. But most don’t involve a billionaire tech founder, a sex trafficker… and  Jeffrey Epstein.

Before the courtrooms and the sex trafficking headlines, Ghislaine Maxwell was in a serious relationship with Ted Waitt — the billionaire founder of Gateway computers. Over the course of seven years, she spent time in California, New York, Florida and the Carribean with the man who was many times richer than Epstein.

Hello and welcome. My name is Lisa Tait and I’m a journalist who has been following the Epstein story since 2019. Thank you for listening to my show The Receipts. 

Ghislaine Maxwell and Ted Waitt became entangled in 2003. I can imagine she was thinking she was living the dream.

At the time, he was one of the richest tech entrepreneurs in the United States, part of the wave of personal computing wealth that produced enormous fortunes in the 1990s.

Today I’m going to take you through Ted and Ghislaine’s emails from the Epstein files. They show a couple navigating love, lifestyle, and eventually, two very complicated splits, six years apart.

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We all know that breakups are messy, but most don't involve a billionaire tech founder, a sex trafficker, and Jeffrey Epstein. Because before the courtrooms and the sex trafficking headlines, Glaine Maxwell was in a serious relationship with Ted Waite, the billionaire founder of Gateway Computers. Over the course of about seven years, she spent time in California, New York, Florida, and the Caribbean with the man who was actually many times richer than Jeffrey Epstein. Hello and welcome. My name is Lisa Tate, and I am a journalist who has been following the Epstein story since 2019. I have a podcast with Jen Tarran called The Prince and the Pervert. I also have one about the Mushroom Murderer from Victoria, Australia, if you'd like to look that one up as well. It's called the Mushroom Murder Trial Podcast. But thank you so much for listening to my show, Lisa's Receipts. Shall we get started on the one relationship Ghlaine had that we haven't heard much about? And I think that's kind of because of Ted Waite, actually. I don't think he really wanted much evidence left on the internet about Glaine. You won't find many photos of them. So they became entangled in 2003, and I could imagine she was thinking, I'm living the dream. At the time, he was one of the richest tech entrepreneurs in the United States, and he was part of the wave of personal computing wealth that produced enormous fortunes in the 1990s. Today I'm going to take you through Ted and Ghlaine's emails from the Epstein Files. They show a couple navigating love, lifestyle, and eventually two very complicated splits six years apart. Now we're going to talk about the first breakup, which was around March 2004, and it was between Ted and his wife and the mother of his four children, Joan Waite. So it's Sunday, the 21st of March 2004. Subject, hey, Joan just called me and left a message on my cell. She left me two messages. Call me. He replies, sorry. And then Ghlaine says, I could not hear her very clearly, but what I could understand is that she was asking me to stay away from you as you were working through things or something to that effect. I saved them if you want or need to hear them. Gee. Ted replies, and the day started out so well. I'm so sorry that you have to deal with that. Just got done with our boat ride, took the big boat, and it broke. Tough to park with the engines pointing in different directions, but we managed. Taking the kids to dinner now. Call when I can, not sure what's around the corner, but I'm sure how I feel about you. Golane responds, still on the 21st of March. I'm looking forward to hearing your voice. I have obviously had a much easier time than you. Ha ha. Sorry, I will comment by the way, I just can't help myself. I I have very strong feelings about these people, so excuse me for that. JE and I, this is what I was laughing about, are still talking about the who, what, when, how and why of our relationship and what it looks like going forward from here with you in my life. He has nothing, had nothing negative to say, and simply reviewed all the ways for us to remain close without impeding any plans for fun that we may have. Have a good dinner, G, with a kiss mark. So according to Vanity Fair, at the time Ted was living in a seven-bedroom, 14-bathroom mansion in La Jolla or La Hola, I'm not sure, excuse me, Australian, California. As the time went on, Golane sailed with him aboard the 240-foot mega yacht. She helped him purchase the plan B. Isn't that interesting? Because both of them were starting over. Wonder if he's got Plan C now. I understand that boat has been sold. It was equipped with a helipad, jacuzzi, an elevator, a gym, an onboard submarine, which Maxwell was soon licensed to pilot. Quote, after she became his girlfriend, according to the New York Times, Mr. Waite shaved his head, started wearing tinted glasses, and became a virtual doffelganger for Jason Statham. Hmm. Now, I'm not making any suggestion here of any wrongdoing by Ted Waite. In fact, I can imagine the private billionaire gets mortifying flashbacks about his relationship with his sex trafficking ex. You know, that's the embarrassing former partner we all have, but we don't usually end up grilled in Congress like he will be in April, because the House Oversight Committee says Wade is believed to have information involving Epstein and Maxwell. So Wade is not accused or suspected of any wrongdoing, but will testify, or he's set to voluntarily testify, in Washington, DC on April 16. Their emails from 2003 and 2004 are warm, intimate, and they discuss travel plans and expressions of affection. In one message, Maxwell writes, She wishes Ted was with her and she looks forward to their next trip on Diddham's. So this is how she explained their relationship during that controversial interview she did last August with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. Glene. And I met someone I fell very much in love with in 2003. His name Ted Waite. Ted Waite, you may know him as the founder of Gateway, The Computers. And we had an amazing relationship that ended, went on until 2010, I think. And I was with Ted from that time. Todd Blanche said, Did you meet him through Epstein? Goline, and I'm paraphrasing here, goes on to say, No, she met him through Bill Clinton. So now we're going to go on to what I believe is a very peculiar email, and there's not much context because, as we know, the DOJ's gone through here and ripped things in and out just to deliberately confuse us. So Glaine says on Tuesday, the 12th of October 2004, subject, WG, wicked Golane. Forgot to mention what price I extracted for my car and funding of the three 18-year-olds trip. Ted replies, three hours later, do tell you naughty girl. Right, we're going to jump back to April 6th now. And Ghlaine says, I would love nothing more than to come and see you on Sunday. I love being with you, spending time with you, waking up next to you and your wallet. That's me, sorry, going to sleep, snuggled in the croc crook. I don't think you mean that, but anyway, the crook of your shoulder. However, I feel I would be in danger of being a distraction when you need to be focused, and I would certainly try and make you late for your meeting on Monday and your meeting on Tuesday and your dinners too. Happy face. You know, just as you're supposed to be completely businesslike, your mind might, oh my God, wonder to me, lying naked by the side of the pool. You might try and wrap things up a little earlier, etc. etc. God forbid such happenings. So on a different note, did you buy a new set of wheels or two? I did get a massage, which I really enjoyed, and feel much more relaxed as a consequence. But that was all the spoiling I offered myself today, unless you count my flying and the hours I spent daydreaming about you. Kisses, G. Ted says, Glad you are safe, girlfriend. And just so you know, if you really don't know what to do with yourself on Sunday, there's a guy in California who'd love to have you and have you and have you. He's also happy to come see you in New York and will try and get there Wednesday instead of Thursday. Hope you're having a good day, spoiling yourself. I'm going to do the same, but mine has wheels versus massages. Delaine, just finished flying. It was a good decision not to go today. Lots of squalls and rain showers and big, big crosswind. That made for a very bumpy ride. I have sticky palms. Found out about microbursts. Tell you about it when we speak next. It's as it's a bit long-winded, gee. Another email from her here. It was not me calling you so early with a funny story that I could not wait. I can only imagine how difficult it must have been to deal with all the issues that you've dealt with this morning. I don't know what this means, but it sounds juicy. Shrink, cops, kids and more. Makes my little issues pale. You think so, Ghlaine? I know you're going to tell me that there's nothing I can do to help. But I am here if there's anything I can do. When you are free, call me as I want to hear your voice. I miss you, and the sense of peace I have when I'm with you. I miss the ease, the fun, your warmth, your smile, your arms wrapped around me. I just miss you, gee. Ted replies, I missed you, was on the phone with the shrink. Have to make some other calls, then get the kids to school. I'll call you later. So how many billionaires do you think take their kids to school? I mean that's got to be a thumbs up for Ted. So here's an earlier email, and it is from October the 2nd, 2004. GMAX says to Ted Waite, I think I failed to mention one, how much I wish you were with me tonight. Two, how much I look forward to seeing you tomorrow. Three, how excited I am we are going on another trip. And four, did I mention that we can cancel the old bag? That's a happy face. She's talking about her mother there. B. Response from Ted, did I mention how much I love you and ditto to the rest? Except I can't wait to meet your mother. Now this next email horrifies me because she was still working for Epstein in 2004. And it's also peculiar. So she says, How does a massage this afternoon? Oh, this is how Ghlaine gets her rich men as well, in my opinion. She makes herself indispensable. And this email will explain that. So April 2nd, 2004. Ghelaine says, How does a massage this afternoon followed by the treasure followed by the comedy corner and dinner in Palm Beach sound? Tomorrow we can go to do maybe the Everglades boat thing. I'm finding out. Or go somewhere, thoughts. But then she replies, What time do you want your massage? Plus plus I will get the tickets for you tonight. Is Kevin coming? Then she says, Massage is booked for four in the hotel room. Not a hotel, Masse. Got the tickets for the comedy corner. Glad you were playing better. You did at least get a couple of hours sleep more than the night before. Now, Ted enters the chat. Actually sounds perfect. As long as you're happy staying here. It sounds like an ideal script for tonight or tomorrow, and we can play by ear. Kevin is leaving. How are you feeling? Playing better than today? Ghlaine responds, someone has to work. That's the bit I find horrifying. And someone has to play golf. Okay, moving right along. We are now May, no, sorry, March 29, 2004. Okay, so Ghlaine says, it is an interesting concept, similar to what Mel Fisher and the Atusha treasures of 10 years or so. Basically low-grade materials that can put a higher margin on it by being treasure and certifying it to be so. The idea worked out pretty well for Fisher, especially with the coins, which is where we he made most of his money. You may have heard or viewed his exhibit in Key West. He's also had thousands of these emeralds available, also. Anything great he has sold to the trade years ago. What are your thoughts? Ted replies, My jewellery expert's view on the emeralds for what it's worth. Hope you're having a great day. G Max Orgelain says, Got it. Just want to remind you that I heard about this from the Davos guy. I'm weeks away of forming a company with him. Oh if you believe you are who your friends are, then I need to meet this guy anyway, as he is Atia's best friend. Let me know if you get this, because want to make sure that BB is working again. Gee. Kiss. Got it fine. Ghlaine, do you think she is trying to send you a message or just deliberately be difficult? Perhaps you should make sure the nanny reports to you or at the very least informs you of any or all changes of plans before she takes off and alters the schedule in any way. You might find you need two nannies at this point, perhaps at least one that is loyal to you. Okay, so one of the nannies was uh more loyal to his ex. But then he says, This nanny gig isn't too bad, so he must have had to fill in. That's the impression I get. Gotta hang out with all the mummies and the nannies, eyes planted firmly on the door waiting for the children, of course. Ghlaine, you definitely make me laugh. Then she says, Got it. You went from CEO of Gateway to Nanny, a job promotion, I think, in many ways. Ted says, something's blacked out. Now charged with picking the kids up from school as well. This'll be a first. Nanny got the day off, unbeknownst to me. Piano lessons, basketball practice on the agenda. Ted says, got it, fine. Then Ghlaine says, got it. So they're talking about a CD here. It's still the same day. I did it once and I stole it. I'll buy you another. Okay, you can buy me a CD, replies G Max. Ted says, Have you listened to the black-eyed peas CD? I brought it when we did our little sh shopping CD in Florida, and I stole it out of the car. I haven't listened to anything but since. And the more I listen, the more I like. Lot more good songs than I thought. Shut Up, Shut Up, Track Five is probably the definitive relationship song. The guy does this little ditty that just cracks me up every time I hear it. Not sure if you know them, but they've been around for a while and just added this female vocalist who has this incredible voice, plus the this great attitude and the combo with the traditional hip-hop stuff is really good. My new favourite song from them is Let's Get, remember the R word that goes with Where is the Love and Hey Mama, which we listen to in the car. If you don't have it, I'll bring one for you. No thanks, Ghlaine says, unless I find someone that is good for you and is no trouble. And not much. Ted says, sorry about that, and thank you very much for the help. And she says, Golaine, you should not show a little girl how to play with matches then. I was only doing around 60. Something blank. Sure you'll come and visit. Re the help, happy to look. Have to let you know that if they are East. Okay, Ghlaine. This is just a short one I added because I thought it was interesting. October 12, 2004. Ghelaine asks, Ted, did you get a massage table yet? If no, I will forward to his personal assistant what to order. Ted replies, no, I did not. So moving right along, we're now back to October 13. Now they're talking here about their schedules. So she says, Re next week. The week on, week off thing is not a hard rule. It has, must have, built-in flexibility. Your week with the kids should fall in a less consuming pattern for you, where you have more time to do stuff for yourself. And sour week should never be just about us as a couple, but about us individually as well. It's perfect me time to be used in the most productive, happy way in any or all senses. There is no point in having gone through all the difficulties of a divorce, quitting your job and the other changes, not to find yourself more flexible and freer, with more control over your time and what you do with it. All this to say that I'm sure you need time for yourself. And it turns out that we will we might miss a week or a day or five. I shall cry, retire to my room, don morning clothes, but we'll endeavour to survive. Just let me know so I can prepare the morning period happy face. Clinton thing, I think, is during the day on the 18th. So you can be back in California Thursday night. I can come with you if you like and stay through the weekend. Let me know if this is what will work, and I will schedule some things on the West Coast for the following week if that turns out to be the plan. Ted replies, thank you, and I love you. I'm so much happier and freer than I was. It's amazing. Just feel the desire to become a more productive citizen again, and I'll find more time for that. I like the balance this new life gives me. I just need some Ted time, always have. I thought there were more private things on the 17th, but the big event was the 18th. Either way, we're out of there on the 18th. And depending on what you have going on, I'm very happy for you to come back here. Are you planning on coming back here with me on the 30th? And then two days later, Glaine sends him a message. Best price on painting 55,000. Ted replies, Is it in New York? And can we see it next weekend? I have the perfect and Bill Clinton enters the room. So Ted on the 13th of October 2004 sends Ghlaine a message. The subject is Clinton asked how you were. He said, in the body of the message, I said you're a bit upset about your hair, but otherwise doing great. This is Ghlaine, meant to tell you I'm very happy with my hair, nothing to do with lots of compliments, wolf whistles, or any kind of external appreciation. I have matured enough to accept that my short but long-looking hair for what it is. Plus, I appreciate all the little opportunities it affords me to snip a little here and snip a little there, just so that I can get that perfect quote. Oh my god, did she cut her own hair? Look, I love so much. Happy face. That's my girl, Ted replies. Like you always say, if no one else wants to, if you see them, glad you're raising some eyebrows and sure you'd raise my dot dot dot. Elaine replies, No, no, you misunderstand me. It may be time to trade me in. None made any sign. I have simply matured and have learnt to accept my shortcomings. Get it? Okay, well enough of all that crap. Out around 10 eleven tonight, four PB later. Ted replies, Me thinks I know you better than that. 11th of October 2004, Ghlaine says, Took my nephew and his two friends to the movies, went to see motorcycle Diem. I enjoyed it. They're leaving on their road trip tomorrow. Bye bye, Suburban. Hopefully my new one will come soon. At least you'll not be bounced around when you next come to New York. Either that or you'll be in the new car or a rental. I effing miss you G. Ted replies, I miss effing you and I effing miss you. Okay, so this is another one that's been like tossed and fried and whatever by the DOJ. So we'll just start at the top. No, you are every day. I just thought I would tell you again today in case you forgot how I feel about you. Plus, the thought of you colluding with my brother on anything sends shivers down my spine. It is simply not permitted on any level. And whilst we are on the subject, nor any other member of my family either, I won't even introduce you to Kevin unless you promise to almost ignore him. Having said that, he loves me. I'm his favourite sister, so has nothing nasty to say. Kevin gets the biggest, most massive kick out of teasing me, making me squirm in general. Unfortunately, he does it very well. I only thought about us going together as I thought it might be great fun for you slash us. New place, new people, odd event. I just wish it was not my brother's invite. I can of course always invite someone else, if you do not promise, in cap letters, to behave. I have already started investigating all the fun things to do there. There's a lot to do. Why, hell, surely contrition lasts longer than 24 hours. No, you didn't. MM, I interpret that as I was just, quote, amazing, wonderful, thoughtful, and yummy today, or every day, and you forgot to tell. She sends another email. I'll just take your promise to behave at face value and leave it at that. I shall avoid any mention of you for the time being. Kevin told me I do not have to give a name yet. I shall avoid your name for as long as security does not ask for it. And by that avoid Kevin's exciting interest. I never do deals with my brother, not even over something as innocuous as teasing me. It would merely make matters worse. Therefore, you may not have his number. Well, I just can't have him teasing you and would feel so much better if I could talk to him and make sure he's on his best behaviour. So you really wish to wait until the last moment before you give it to me. That's okay. I guess I could call your mum and get his number, since I did happen to save it. As you used my phone, if you recall, a nice boyfriend would call and just say hi to her and ask if it wasn't too much of a bother, could she give me Kevin's number? By the way, when are we going to see her? So that same year, they planned a vacation in April, and Maxwell said, It's not that we have to leave. We could stay in bed for two days, but I feel awkward bumping into JE without you somewhere around. Maxwell also said, What else did you have in mind? JE comes back to PB Friday, Palm Beach. The next message from Waite says, Let's get out of Dodge then for sure. Maybe somewhere completely different. Any other ideas? In addition to this, uh just jumping quickly back to what Ghlaine told the Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blanch, about the relationship. She said she wanted to have a full break from Epstein when she started dating Ted. Quote, and he was clever, she said of Epstein. I suppose it would be true to say that I sort of viewed Mr. Epstein at that point as sort of family, if you will, like someone I could rely on. And you still kept working for him. So we got the emails and they basically disappear from about 2000, well, anything to do with Ghlaine and Ted, from about 2005 until 2009. Now, it's important to remember it was a very serious relationship. Tom Arnold, who says he's a friend of Ted, uh, said on Twitter in 2020 the two were engaged at some point. So that's obviously Ghlaine and Ted Waite. So she'd been living the life with Ted, travel social life within elite circles. She'd also been able to reposition her reputation publicly, but it was about to all come crashing down, and I so love this for her. So in about 2009, there are email discussions about financial support, loans, business arrangements, and also blackmail. So Glaine says to Epstein that Ted's being blackmailed, and it's quite a story, and it leads to their breakup. So with the blackmailing, Maxwell said a former Miami lawyer attempted to blackmail Ted over her. Quote, in 2003, Ms. Maxwell began a seven-year romantic relationship with Theodore Ted Waite and developed a strong and loving bond with his four children, ranging in age from six to twelve. Her sentencing notes say for the sex trafficking trial. Her relationship with Waite was on trap for marriage and gave her what she'd always hoped for and wanted most: the opportunity for a loving, stable family life and the chance to become stepmother to Waite's children. But her hopes were destroyed, as was much of her life by her previous association with Epstein. A Miami lawyer named Scott W. Rothstein Esquire attempted to blackmail allegedly Mr. Waite to keep Ms. Maxwell's name out of civil lawsuits relating to Epstein that his law firm was planning to file. Ms. Maxwell's relationship with Waite could not survive the blackmail threats, and it ended soon after. Now, one thing I noticed, which is pretty interesting, is I think Epstein was threatened by Ted Wade. Well, for a start, he um is self-made and he's got more money than Epstein. And I think Epstein liked to have Ghlaine at his beck and call. On the 23rd of November 2010, Epstein berates Maxwell during a fallout, mocking her boyfriend Ted Waite as, quote, a Midwest farmer, a beer drinking druggie. It reads to me, less like business and more like a controlling patron, say because he's saying also to her, he spent millions and millions of dollars on her. He says to GMAX, I would suggest you stop feeling sorry for yourself. You have a bright future, many friends, financial security, and an unwillingness to change. I'm not a girl, so I realize my advice is tainted. However, you have done this over and over. I'm being a good friend. I've always been, no matter how much you protest, you don't want to see a professional, you don't want to take my Tom's or advice of others. Your boyfriend was and still is what he is. No skin off my back. I will help you, but you need to do your part. Telling me this is all I have, this is what I will do. No matter what your friends suggest is not your interest, at least ask someone other than me. Since you refuse my suggestions, what they think. Ask Tom. Okay, Glenn replies. Same day, Tuesday, November 23, 2010. I can't defend myself. I don't know which way is up or down. I am sorry that you feel let down by me. Re Richard Kahn. Richard Kahn is Epstein's longtime accountant. I can categorically state that I only would have said for those issues to be decided between you and Delson. Plus, that decision was taken when I believe was more than two years ago. The question and how it was handled is so obviously outside of any area of competence for me. I am waiting to hear where you want me. Just move it to the guy Rich recommended to me last week. Your decision. I am clearly heading down a hole. I obviously will have to deal with all my issues when I am there and see what and how and when and why and when I come out. What pieces of my life look like then? I'm sure some parts of what you say are true. I am sorry. I don't know what else to say. Epstein replies on the same day, I'm very sorry you're feeling so low. I think you should take time to really sort yourself out. You have always followed your I'll listen to the he is Epstein is that like hateful friend that people have who when you come to them and you need something, they just attack you. You've always followed your own advice, done what you wanted, and believed that was the only way. You have focused on you and only you. It is not surprising that you missed that life. It was only about you and you and you. For years you felt that our friendship concerned Ted. You were the only one that never came to visit. You were the only one that didn't call. You were the only one that screamed repeatedly that you didn't want to be involved. That's fascinating. I would have loved to have seen that. You chose to ignore my friendship for nearly 20 years. Why? Because you were concerned about you. I paid millions and millions of dollars so that you wouldn't have problems. Your boyfriend was and still is a Midwest farmer with no taste or culture, a beer-drinking drugie. You can make believe otherwise, but not to me. Your self-focus is destroying you. You are wasting your personal capital asking for help with bullshit ideas and bullshit people. Making believe that these deals are real is again against all of your friends' advice. But you, as you have done for the past 10 years, suggest no. I want this my way, my way, and my way. Yet it's time to reflect. But your mirror should be cleaned from the haze of self-delusion as to your mortications and loyalties. Does he mean mortifications? Mortication. Mortications. Mortications. To hear that my people made the decisions for you when I was away is ludicrous. You wanted nothing to do with me. I separated everything I could, and according to Rich, you were leading the show. The next email is what she told Epstein in 2011 about what she described as the blackmail attempt on Ted Waite. It suggests he perceived the situation as coercive. Now I mean Ted there, even describing it as, quote, a shakedown. March 23, 2011, Glen to Epstein. I believe this was a call owl setup after Ted Wade had said no. He went around to Ted Wade and said, set it up with his key people. Dave Russell and Shane Harnett. Believe what happened then was Ted Waite told about it and said how that happened. And AJ, so he's one of the alleged blackmailers, came back to him and said, unless you pay, GM is in. And if you pay, GM is out. So that's out of civil suits involving Epstein. TW viewed it as a total shakedown in blackmail and has had no dealings with AJ since, my understanding. Ted said that Al tried and several other times to coerce him into the money. Two slash three threatening calls came in when it was not forthcoming. They leaked the story to the press. Ted Waite then said to the deal that AJ could be subpoenaed and dealt with. He said actually that blackmailing should go to jail for the rest of his life for what he did, using me to blackmail him. So now we're heading down the road of the relationship's deterioration. In one email, which I'll read to you in a second, Ted appears to be attempting to formalise a financial settlement with Ghlaine or a support structure following the breakdown of their relationship. But Epstein was actively inserting himself into the negotiations between Maxwell and Waite regarding the financial support. Jeffrey frames himself as the rational voice, urging Maxwell to change course and accept a resolution. He describes her again as overly focused on herself and resistant to professional advice, while portraying Waite as incompatible with her social world. Okay, this is from Ted Waite to Ghlaine, Sunday, September 12, 2010. Subject. Hey there. Sorry I lost you. Plane took off. Obviously, the conversation was degrading anyway. So let me ponder things and do some research. I did something out of kindness and respect for you that I felt was more than generous. You also felt it was more than generous when I first told you. Obviously, you find it distasteful now, so I'm not sure what to do. Just to restate, to make sure I'm clear what I think I heard, I think there's three or four options or some combination of the following. Number one, a gift. Apparently you find this distasteful now. I researched all the options and found it to be the single most straightforward and efficient mechanism. Number two, ongoing support. You initially told me you didn't want this. Now you're saying that you do. Don't understand the difference between a one-time gift if and a monthly gift, but now I hear you saying you'd prefer a monthly stipend of some sort versus a one-time gift. Happy to look at that instead of a one-time gift. Maybe it's easier. 3. A loan. Not sure it would hold up under an audit and subject to some form of gift tax as well. Let me do some research here. Four, investment in a business. Let me check this out. Assume the business would then pay your salary of some sort. I'd researched all these often and felt a straight gift was the best way to go. I'm happy to just pay monthly. And there's someone retracted here as asked that before if that was what you wanted. You originally told me no, but understand you changed your mind. Maybe I could convert some to a loan, but as something like a$20 million loan, that's not going to happen. What did she want to do with her business? I'm happy to look at the options that work better for you now that you've had time to think about it, but I'm not going to negotiate here. I tried to do something nice, but if you feel better with nothing, happy to do that too. So Ghlaine sends that through to Epstein and Epstein says, reply with this. I feel very much appreciate. I very much appreciate your willingness to consider other alternatives. As you might imagine, I'm finding these discussions emotionally devastating. It's not to suggest that your offers have been distasteful, but the entire breakup and its practicalities I do find difficult. As you know, I've spent the past years building you and I what we'd agreed on, a future together, the boat, houses, staff, new apartment. I spent virtually no time concentrating on anything to do with my net worth, as I considered you and I as one. I'm attempting to find a way to restart my life and sincerely appreciate your offers. My suggestions of a loan or capitalization of a company were not, quote, negotiations, but part of a conversation that I believe we should have. I love you, and this is a sincere attempt at resolution that allows both of us to do the right thing, moving on with dignity, integrity, and with fond memories. Okay, so that's how Epstein told Ghlaine to reply to Ted Waite. Now, do you remember when you were a kid and you might have spent time watching cartoons, working out how you'd like to escape quicksand? Well, after reading all of Epstein's, well, I haven't read every single one of them, but I've read a lot of Epstein's emails. It's my opinion that he is the human equivalent of quicksand. Because once he has his eyes on you, you cannot escape, which might explain why people like Sarah Kellen and Losley Brough stayed with him for so long. We won't know. But the emails between Ted and Gollaine illustrate a complicated dynamic between personal loyalty and the financial leverage that seems to have defined all of Maxwell's adult relationships. Now all she has to worry about is a commissary, so that's nice for her, isn't it? They also reinforce the degree to which Epstein remained embedded in her decision making long after their romantic relationship ended. But what we can see is a window in how elite relationships can intersect with the law, reputations, and immense wealth. Rather than a simple makeup. Rather than a simple breakup, we're hearing about blackmail and a prolonged negotiation inside the shadow of Epstein's legal problems. So thank you so much for your time today. I absolutely really appreciate it. Do you want more of Ghlaine and Ted's emails? Because I'm more than happy to do them. Um, you can contact me over on Twitter if you'd like, or I've got a website. You could contact me there through who was Jeffrey Epstein.com. I would really appreciate it. Now don't forget to like and subscribe as well, just so more people hear about these emails. I like to look at these characters that were on the periphery and see what the evidence tells us, what actually really happened. So I'm quite fascinated by Ted Waite. And when it's April, we will hear from him. I can imagine he is absolutely outraged about being dragged before the Congress Committee. But these things happen. Um what does he know? How much does he know? Be interesting to find out. So thank you again. My name is Lisa Tate, and have a wonderful day. Thanks. Bye.