Life's Funny...Until It's Not™ - Permission to Start Over with Special Guest Dennis Young

What happens when you finally run out of excuses?

In Episode 5 of Life's Funny…Until It's Not™, Deb gets honest about the dreams she's started — and stopped — over the years. The antique shop, she collected pieces for and then gave away. The network she almost shut down for good. And the moment she stopped hiding behind circumstances and asked herself the harder question: why do I keep stopping?

In Food For Thought, meet Dennis Young — Delaware artist, retired psychiatrist, and owner of Mo'zArt Gallery in Historic Old New Castle. At 70 years old, Dennis opened an art gallery after 30 years away from painting. Named 2024's Best in Delaware by Delaware Today, Dennis has one rule for anyone who walks into his gallery and says, "I can't": Don't ever say that again.

In What I'm Learning, Deb talks about routines — the ones she keeps, the ones she doesn't, and why "not quitting" might be the only goal that actually matters.

This episode is for anyone who has been circling something. Waiting for the right time. Telling themselves it's too late.

It isn't.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:13

Hi and welcome. I'm Deb La Motta, and this is A Life's Funny Until It's Not, the podcast for those of us in the second half of life who are still figuring it out, still showing up, and still refusing to act our age in the best possible way. I'm so glad you're here for episode five. Today is one of those episodes I've been sitting with for a while. We're talking about starting over. Not the shiny inspirational poster version of starting over. I mean the messy, uncomfortable, humbling kind. The kind where you look at yourself in the mirror and ask, why do I keep stopping? I've been asking myself that question for most of my adult life. And I finally started getting honest about the answer. In Life's Funny today, I'm going to tell you about the antique shop I gave up on and what I discovered when I did. About R2RB network and the moment I almost walked away from it for good. And about the quiet, slightly terrifying feeling of deciding, no, not this time. Then in food for thought, I want you to meet someone who embodies everything this episode is about. His name is Dennis Young. He's a Delaware artist, a retired psychiatrist, and the owner of Mozart Gallery in historic old Newcastle. At 70 years old, he opened an art gallery. He'll tell you all about it in his own words, and I promise you you're going to love him. And in what I'm learning, I'm going to get real with you about routines. Specifically the ones I can't seem to keep. The ones I can't seem to keep and what I've decided that means about me. And maybe about you too. This is a full episode, so get comfortable. Today I want to talk about something I think a lot of us carry around quietly. That dream you haven't let yourself start, or the one you've started, and then you quietly put away. I know that feeling. Because I've lived it more than once. I had so many ideas for retirement. I was going to open my own small retail shop selling antiques. Maybe a mix of antiques and local crafters' goods. Or at the very least, rent a little space somewhere and make it mine. I had already started collecting pieces for it. I had the vision. And then at the end of last year, I made a decision. It wasn't going to happen. Not anytime soon. So I gave the pieces away. I felt like defeat, not just disappointment off defeat. Like I had let myself down again forever. Because here's the thing I've had to face about myself. I have started and stopped a lot of ideas over the years. And for a long time I told myself it was circumstances. Life gotten away, things changed, and sometimes that was true. But if I'm really honest, a lot of the times I talked myself out of it before I even got started. Because if I never really started, if I always had a good excuse for why it didn't happen, then I never had to face what felt like failure. No one could say I'd fail at something if I had never truly tried. I turned 67 in April and I know plenty of people who have started brand new careers, launched new businesses, and gone back to school at my age and older. So I'm not going to sit here and tell you that age is a problem. It isn't. The problem was that I didn't believe in myself enough to risk being seen trying R. That's the truth. You may know that I am the founder of R2RB Network, Real to Real Broadcasting, an independent online broadcasting platform. Starting it was my idea. I had no idea if it would actually take it. I learned as I went, I made mistakes, collaborated with others, and eventually found myself running it on my own fire. And you may also know that I had almost shut it down fire. I had been through two family losses, a cancer scare, fire, and I put R2RB on hiatus while I got through all of that fire. And during that last month of the hiatus, I was sitting with a real decision fire. Do I come back and keep building this or do I walk away? And remember the moment it hit me. It was like walking face first into a wall. Bam. I had run out of excuses. I had the time. I had retired. I had already restructured my shows so I wasn't overwhelmed. And I still had people residents of R2RB who had been with me since the beginning who still believed in what we were building together. If I walked away, I wasn't just stepping back from a business. I was starting something again and not finishing it again. So I picked myself up and something happened that I hadn't felt before. A quiet kind of confidence. A little scary S but different. I decided to continue with R2RB. And more than that, I got clear on what I wanted R2RB to actually be. I sat down and put it in writing. And I found the word that felt true. R2RB where independent voices build legacy. Not a network about numbers, a network where independent voices were respected. Thought-provoking, and where people want to come and see what the buzz is about. Here's what I want you to sit with today. Even if R2RB fails someday, which can happen to any business, I haven't failed. Because I took the risk of seeing it through. That's already a win for all. Whatever happens from here, I'm walking away with knowledge, friendships, and experiences that could never be taken from me. The day I almost gave up on myself in R2RB, I remember it. I remember a feeling when I said out loud to myself, nope, I am not giving up. That moment belongs to me. Getting older is hard enough on its own. And I don't think society makes it any easier for those of us who are 55 to end up there. We become invisible in the media. People walk past us without seeing us. And singers in this country don't get the same respect they receive in other parts of the world. And so many people in our community are struggling financially in retirement for our we have so much more to give. We have a perspective that can't be taught. We have resilience that only comes from having actually lived through things. We have dreams that haven't disappeared far that have just been waiting for. So whatever that thing is for you, the shop you wanted to open, the book you've been meaning to write, the class you keep meaning to sign up for, the idea that keeps coming back no matter how many times you push it away, you have permission not from me, from yourself. You've always had it. You've always had it. I'll never say never again about that antique shop, by the way. I've learned my lesson on that one. And now it's time for food for thought. I want to ask you something before I introduce today's guest. What did you love? Not what you're good at, not what paid the bills, what did you love doing that somewhere along the way you just stopped? Maybe life got in the way. Maybe things got too busy. Maybe you told yourself you'd get back to it someday, and someday just never came far. I think a lot of us in the 55 Plus community are sitting with that question right now. And I think a lot of us answer it the same way. I can't. I don't have the time. It's too late. Well, I'd like to introduce you to someone who has zero patience for that answer. His name is Dennis Young. He's a Delaware artist and the owner of Mozart Gallery and Studio in historic old Newcastle. Right on the corner of 2nd Street with the old courthouse sitting right across the way. Here's what you need to know about Dennis before you hear from him. He went to college for pre-med. He went to medical school. He built a psychiatric practice that he ran for 40 years. And somewhere in the middle of all that, the school, the practice, the family, he put down his brushes for 30 years. He didn't paint for nothing. Not a thing. And then about 18 years ago, he saw a small ad in the local paper for adult classes at the high school. You know the one. The kind of ad most of us scroll right past. Guitar lessons. Follow them dancing. Painting. Dennis signed up for the painting one. And boom. It all came back just like that. And he's been making up for a lost time ever since. Now here's the part I love. Dennis is a psychiatrist and he spent 40 years telling his patients don't retire without a plan. And he retired without a plan. A few months into retirement, waking up every morning asking himself what day it was and what he was going to do with it. Then the man who owned the building on 2nd Street called him up and said, The space is coming up for rent. Do you want it? And Dennis said yes. In April of 2018, at 70 years old, he opened Mozart Gallery. Named it after himself sort of his wife's nickname for him is Mo Fire. Mozart Fire. And in 2024, Delaware Today magazine named Mozart Gallery best in upstate Delaware for that year. When people come into the gallery and say, uh, I can't paint. Don't stop them before they finish the sentence. Don't say I can't. Don't ever say that again. What compares learning to paint to learning to drive? Nobody got behind the wheel the first time and drove smoothly. Now you eat a taco, you take your marriage, don't even think about it, you just do it. Painting is the same way. You start where you are and you keep going, you get better. That's the whole philosophy right there. I had the privilege of sitting down with Dennis at Mozart Gallery, and I want you to hear his story in his own words. And here's my conversation with Dennis.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

So medical school?

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Went to college in Allentown for a free med, and my last semester finished all my science requirements. So I was cast around for what else to do. So I signed up for a music appreciation course. Yeah. Um Danish novel and a drawing course.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

Oh cool.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

Yeah. So I went to a drawing class and the instructor saw what I was doing. I I'd done this before. So I was doing it, so he put me in the back of the room to work on independently and just left me alone. So then when I went to med school, I uh I I I thought we had the first couple summaries off the Jefferson. And so throughout the country's right, in order what's known as Premier Paint. That's what it was called. So we out there paint. And so um and so uh that all stopped after a couple of years because things got busy in school, and then for starting a family and a practice, it got busy. So for 30 years I didn't touch it. 30 years. Nothing. Nothing. And then about 18 years ago, I uh saw an ad in the paper or local newspaper for um these adult classes that they get in the high school to go take a uh a guitar class or a ballroom day. So I signed up for it and went to that, and boom, it all came back to me. So I've been rushing ever since then, the past 18 years to make up for that lost time. And and painting under a lot of pain to hear under under tables at home cabinets. So I paint a lot.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

Oh, yeah, I can see, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Because I'm making up for lost time. So sorry about those 30 years. Yeah, book controls and say, well, but it's a 30 years and I can't go back and and fix themselves until late. I've gotten better about it. I I I will get on my soapbox when somebody I meet somebody who says that they haven't done something and they don't have the time that much and um give them a couple minutes. I tell them that for 30 years. I say if there's anything that you love doing and haven't had the time for it, could I have found an hour maybe every other Sunday night to go and paint I could have, but I didn't think that because I just like life well life just took off all the hours in the day, pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Or it felt like it.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

It didn't take all the hours up, but when I wasn't doing all that, I guess I was catching a breath from what I was doing. So but I but I will tell people I'll tell people that you know fine that you love because it'll make you feel better, it'll make you feel bad that you didn't you didn't you waited all this time, but you'll love what you're doing. So I retired. You retired first. I retired in 2000. Well, in my office, when I started that painting stuff, in my big office, a big consultation room. And so I created half of the office to put my easel up and then did my paintings there when I wasn't seeing patients. What a good idea! Yeah, and I mean my paintings. So sometimes it might talk about them some ideas about and so on. But when I when I finally retired after 40, I was in a psychiatrist. So after 40 years of that, I decided to retire. And ironically, I would tell some of my patients who were on the verge of retirement say, don't retire without a plan. I retired had no plans. I got tired of waking up every morning and thinking, what day is this? And seconds, what am I gonna do today? And then the fellow who owns this building after probably about three, four months, he called me and said, It's coming up for rent. Do you want it? Yes. Oh my gosh. Just gave me a chance to move my news paintings out of the house and like, hey, get those news into here.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

Perfect, it's a perfect scenario and a perfect location. I mean, literally, being on the corner.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Well, right outside the courthouse.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

Yeah, coming down the street, you see it coming both streets here. Oh my gosh, and it's right.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

It just dropped, you know, it dropped out of the heavens into my life. I didn't look for it, it didn't ask for it, it just happened. But now that I'm here, I take advantage of it.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

So what was there a specific reason for Newcastle areas? Or you really were here, the opportunity came along, and that was it. Would you have gone someplace else?

SPEAKER_01 14:36

That's a good question. Since I've lived here most of my life, and since Newcastle is Newcastle, so um you'll walk five feet of something else to paint, that it it all presents itself as as a present to paint. It's an artist's paradise. That's what I tell people to sign up for my for the um uh for the contest. I have repeats who come back here because they love this place. There's so much to to paint here.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

And uh I mean I had to be careful because I was like looking all over and we're here, we're here, we're gonna look at it. And I had to find a parking space and I came up with people still.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

Oh that's your back seat.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

Oh, talk about being feeling in the real time. This is such a again, such a great area to get it just gets better and better. Does it get very, very busy? Does it get complicated?

SPEAKER_01 15:37

Okay. It'll get busy on the weekends with in the in the in the early usually in the first days of spring when people are coming out of their hatches. They want to come into Newcastle and go down to the battery and and have picnics and walk around here and take in the sites and all. So it'll level off after a while. There's sometimes it's real busy, like on Separation Day. Uh the town just explodes with people because of what goes on down the battery park. There's music and street trucks and fireworks. And it's quiet up here.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

So do you have a favorite do you do you like the landscape more than the portrait, or do you have a I developed a content server because I call myself an artist, that's what I think from the paint.

SPEAKER_01 16:33

But once I got to do a number of them, I I have to start calling myself an artist because I think I can create some things that aren't just reproductions, just too much. So my favorite thing to to paint is the portrait. But I I I I don't like writing writers, I can paint anything now. Not maybe not well, but I I don't like Henry King's word I can't when it comes to this. In in psychiatry, there are a lot of things I couldn't do. I couldn't heal you, right? I couldn't make something that was bad going in your life not anymore. But in this, if I if I practice, if I concentrate, if I don't give up, I can do it. And if I do it badly, I put it away. Don't throw anything away. That painting was done ten or twelve years ago and I didn't like it. But I so I put it away. And a couple years ago I pulled it back out again and redid it, changed the colors on it, um put the glass and liner, and I cut off the head and put a new head on. So entirely different versions. And and I like to look at it. And over the period of ten years or so, I've gotten better because I've made mistakes that I can correct and go back and make the same mistake over and over again, and gotten new ideas and new techniques and learned from looking at YouTube or museums. So it it just gets better as time goes on until it's not fun anymore and the time stops.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

Do you think you'll ever get to that function?

SPEAKER_01 18:03

Six feet under I will.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Well, I'm gonna hurry. I'm gonna hurry to get more paintings done and to get a couple paintings done that I really, really am proud of.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

You know, there's 55 class number that comes up. One of the reasons why I've changed my format on my podcast and had started out with women entrepreneurs, they were coming from my uh wedding business. And then when I started going to the live music event down in Silver and down in Lewis and everything in between, then I started reading and speaking with the indie music artists. And that turned into my indie artists podcast along with women entrepreneurs. And then when I had taken the series with a hiatus and coming back and going to be 67 on Friday. And I did, I did. And you know, like you were saying, you know, having a plan. Um this was my plan to do podcasting and doing the radio, having other podcasters and do things on on the on the network. But there's so many people that come into that that age or that time that feel like they don't have any time left and everything they've done is you know, maybe hasn't been worth their while, or you know, what do they have to offer? And I think people just need to really stop and think, well, what did I love? What did I used to do? What what passion do I have about something?

SPEAKER_01 19:29

Do you think that people see um senior years as like giving up or something?

SPEAKER_02 19:34

I think a lot of people do. It is not heard, it's a lot seen. I mean, we all have a voice we all do something to offer at whatever age. And so with um like funny intelligence. Um what I want. I want people to you know see somebody like hear that you retired from a full-time you know career and maybe you didn't have the plan when you're starting off on being retired, but you know, within moments, you just knew when you finally just got uh watercolor class. And I want I want those uh you know other people to feel that or whatever they desire that you know, I don't want people, older people or 55 plus community, you know, feel like they're done. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

My parents, my father was uh uh uh maintenance worker in a candy factory. My mother was a housekeeper, so she she uh worked in a sub shop, which which if I weren't doing this, I'd be the other thing of working in sub shop being standard. But I have to charge fifty dollars to be able to make a profit. But their lives weren't busy, so so in their retirement, it was watching television with configure. And I I couldn't see that. But there there weren't really things that they they just worked. You know, maybe uh I don't think it had any dreams of any guys about maybe, maybe ever traveling dreams of sending her son to the medical school and that worked. Unfortunately came her whole life. But uh but I I wonder if the people who who found who find themselves not busy in every time were they busy enough in their other than working and life? Were they fishing or were they in a book club or were they gardening or something which when you have the time you can do more of to go in a different direction?

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Right. And I I you know what I've also been seeing in the groups of the 55 plus community, I was always speaking about, you know, I don't know what to do with my time, I don't have any um hobbies, I don't have any other outlets. You know, and and most of the responses are there's a lot to do. You have to want to go out and find something to do, you know, put your time and effort into and don't just go to four pages, just go and experience.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

You know, if you don't know what to do, go out there so things like full phone. So if you're taking a walk in the neighborhood every day, maybe you're gonna meet somebody, maybe you're gonna see somebody who's doing there's a fellow around here who uh is retired and he lays bricks. I mean On his own. He takes a trail out and he will put brickwork around trees in the bri if the trees have come down, they plant a new tree. He'll be out there on his knees putting new brickwork in there. He's known for that. That is why and if you don't so go to concerts or go travel, do this and and you'll phone this doesn't make it. And if you haven't, if you if you don't succeed in doing it, at least you've traveled. At least you've been taking a walk.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

And you don't work it so far. You you really don't. Um for myself. And I'm down here, yes, I'm down with my parents, and I uh I was working at at one time until I retired a year ago. Um the last time I pushed myself to go out and like independently. You don't have to have somebody that you have to you have to take that step. So you're just gonna continue on as is, or do you have other objectives and goals?

SPEAKER_01 22:54

I'd like to teach. I work three, she's so she's been going for three years. Oh, very cool. She guilted me into doing she she she gave her my body. Do you teach? She says, No. She says, Why not? She said, Why don't you? I said, Yeah, I took her long. I don't know how to teach. You didn't know how to paint. I know better how to paint them. Tell you what to do. Yeah. I may be able to crazy tell you, I can tell you. She likes to cook. But um, but uh I like to do more about uh there have been times in the past where I've done these paint and wine things where for two hours people come in and they'll sort of have like 12, 14 people at a time across the street will and and would be painting it either from the subject or I'd hand out um a picture of paint. And if somebody wanted help, I'd give them help, and then have wine and have music, and people enjoyed that. So let me get back to that. Maybe some people for this for this um competition I had in May, I was thinking of uh I've also started signing up some amateur paintings. Sorry that last year, so I have a separate group of amateurs who don't have to worry about competing with the experiences. Well, they don't have to make a win a prize too. So I was thinking of putting up a little thing about maybe having three or four people in the area come around and we'll cut we'll paint, we'll paint a couple times out so I can get a handcom for this, and maybe they'll join in and try to win a hundred bucks. Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 24:24

Who would want to do that?

SPEAKER_01 24:25

There's only four or five of them so far. That's it's a pretty good option to come away with all mention people who might buy it.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

Right? You meet new people and you learn new skills and yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

People get scared about going outside and taking them because and people are afraid of messing up and failing. Yeah, we all have that is a big one.

SPEAKER_02 24:48

Yeah, I I I I get that feeling, and I'm not in front of anybody. If you could give somebody 55 plus one good piece of advice or a couple pieces, what would it be?

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Don't say I can't people come in and say, I don't pay, don't ever say that again. I'm on the way. And I'll tell people, you know, remember when you first the first time you got in a car to take a lesson and drive turkey jerky. And for some of us who learned on a six shift, you know, they oh my god, go ahead and get this stuff. And now what do you say? What are you doing now? Do you turn the radio? Do you eat the tacos? You know, paving out the windows, no, it just means second nature to you know, so so to say, I can't, I can't even draw a straight line, you know, well, draw a crooked line. This we've stuff for a lot of money in New York, you know, just just do and don't compare yourself to some if you're gonna go out and paint, paint your backyard. Okay, paint the trash can, paint paint the paint the first and something like that, but try to do it as well as you can, understanding that it's going to get better as you go along. You can't help if you keep making the same mistake, there must be something wrong with your brain if you keep making the same mistake 50 times in a world. You learn from that. And for other reasons to tell yourself, you know, it's like crap. What'd you do that? So you throw away some of the mistakes.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

Yeah, no. No, no, no. Don't give up. Yeah?

SPEAKER_01 26:09

Don't give up this shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

And then everybody can find you at your website, which is Mowzartgallery.com.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Wait, wait, wait, wait, for me as well.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

How is that it?

SPEAKER_01 26:21

So when I came in.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

I was wondering, thank you for telling me.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

Well, when I came in, uh I tried to think, what are we gonna call this place? I still do that. I saw that. And so it's kind of a catchy place.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

Yeah. So we're right here in historic Newcastle.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

And a couple of years ago you put the best gallery in Dow in 2024?

SPEAKER_02 26:47

Yeah, awesome. That is great. Yeah. I have to tell you, I usually don't do in-person interviews, so this was for me. I stepped out of my comfort zone, which I am more than happy that I did.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Thank you. I did too.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

Um the theme party. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Um we've had uh woodstock parties from just as long as you cost a bunch of 6050 with funny brownies for VJs, and we've had Mama Mayo where I've just stuck in my bow and my healthy jump and glasses and all that. So and people come during the uh the the first party aren't we, and and this is the place that the town gathers. Oh my god. Go home. So we just have a blast too. So I was having more fun than it should be legal for them.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

Dennis, thank you. And that's Dennis Young. I told you you're going to love him. I've been thinking about something Dennis said. That moment when he spotted that tiny ad for a painting class and just signed up. No grand plan, no big announcement. He just walked back into something he left behind thirty years earlier and said, Okay, uh, let's try this again. There's something so quietly brave about that and so ordinary. Uh it wasn't a dramatic comeback moment. It was just a Tuesday and a small ad and a local paper. I think that's what starting over actually looks like most of the time.

unknown 28:24

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Not a lightning bolt, not a sign from the universe, uh just a moment where you say that got me thinking about my own relationship with showing up. Which brings me to what I'm learning from. I want to talk about routines, specifically my complicated relationship with them. I have a keyboard. I don't sit down to practice every day. Uh I'm a writer. And while I do write something every single day, sitting down for my personal essays doesn't happen every day either. That's always something that pulls me in another direction. For a long time that bothered me because the advice is always the same. I show up every day, I build a habit, daily practice is everything. And I kept measuring myself against that standard and coming up to our FR. But here's what I've come back to, especially since returning to R2RB after my high data software. My goal was never to be perfect at the routine. My goal was not to quit. For example, not quitting means coming back to the keyboard after a week away without deciding you failed. It means returning to an essay you haven't touched in two weeks and picking up the thread instead of abandoning it. It means relaunching a show you love after life pulled you away from it and not letting the gap become the ending. The one routine I have been genuinely faithful to since coming back is my social media. Every week the posts go up. Monday musings, Wednesday wisdom, Friday reflections are they're there. And I know why I've been able to stick with that one. Because without visibility, R2RB doesn't exist. No visibility and no audience, no audience and no show. The stakes keep me showing up. But the keyboard, the essays, those are for me. And maybe things that are just for us require a different kind of commitment. Not daily, just faithful, not quitting, that's the goal. That's still the goal. And that's what I'm learning. So here's what this episode comes down to for me. We talked today about starting over and what gets in the way of it. We talked about the stories we tell ourselves, the excuses that fail like reasons, the dreams we dove because starting means we might fail, and not starting means we never have to find out. And then Dennis Young walked into the room, a man who spent 30 years not painting. Who retired without a plan, who said yes to a building on 2nd Street and built something beautiful out of it at 70 years old. I don't know what your version of that looks like, but I believe you have one. Something you've been circling at, something you've been putting off something that keeps tapping you on the shoulder for. Dennis would tell you, I don't say I care for that. I'm telling you the same thing. You don't have to be perfect at it. You don't have to show up every day for us. You just have to keep coming back. That's faithful. That's enough. And that does count for us. And if you need a little extra push effect, go find Dennis at us. Visit Mozart Gallery in historical Newcastle, Delaware. Don't send you back. Go put a brush in your hand before you finish the sentence. Thank you so much for spending this time with me today. If something in this episode landed for you, I'd love to hear about it. Reach out, leave a comment, share it with someone who needs to hear it. And if you haven't subscribed yet, please do. Every listen, every share, every new set of ears matters. That's how independent voices build a legacy. This is Life's Funny Until It's Not, and I'm Deblomata. Take good care of yourselves and each other.