Obsessing Over NYMag, Good Lighting & The Brownstone Boys

Kyle made the papers! In case you haven’t heard, he’s a model now – and he tells the story behind how he ended up in NYMag’s Lookbook. Then Emily dishes on her latest pop culture obsession and Kyle shares two of his favorite products for summer (but really, year-round).

Then Barry Bordelon and Jordan Slocum, also known as The Brownstone Boys, stop by the WOWY offices. The two share how they started their business, their favorite Bed-Stuy haunts, the importance of good lighting, and their love of a Brooklyn stoop. Later, they share their ~HAPPY HOUR~ obsession and an all-new round of Obsessed or Over It.

00:00 – Welcome to WOWY
03:07 – Emily’s Obsession
09:28 – Kyle’s Obsession
14:17 – The Brownstone Boys' Interview
32:52 – The Brownstone Boys' Obsession
39:59 – Obsessed or Over It

New show, new obsessions, every Wednesday.

Hosts: Emily Hymes and Kyle O'Donnell
Guests: Barry Bordelon and Jordan Slocum (The Brownstone Boys) 
Executive Producer: Julia Aubuchon
Producers: Drew Downing and Ben Gottlieb
Graphic Designer: Maddie Jones
Original Music: Reuben Alexander
For RaffHouse Productions: Haleigh Raff and Glenn Raff

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This Week's Obsessions:
Emily: Teen TV Show Boyfriend Allegiances
Kyle: Vacation Baby Oil and Atwater Skin Armor Face Sunscreen
Barry and Jordan: Window Peeping

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

We're Emily and Kyle. We started as coworkers in late night television and now we're best friends exploring NYC and our FYPs.

SPEAKER_02 0:07

This is an interview show about obsessions. Ours, theirs, and maybe yours too. Welcome to We're Obsessed With You.

SPEAKER_05 0:20

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 0:21

Hi, everyone. Welcome to We're Obsessed With You. I have a mint in my mouth, and I'm Kyle O'Donnell.

SPEAKER_05 0:26

I'm Emily Himes.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

This is our show where we talk to the people we're obsessed with. About the things they're obsessed with.

SPEAKER_05 0:33

And right now we're obsessed with Kyle being in the New York Mag lookbook.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

So for those of you that don't know, the lookbook is a feature of New York Mags. Yes. Which is the best magazine of all time. Where they go to different things across New York and they take photos of people. Yep. And so you gotta look good.

SPEAKER_05 0:54

You always have to look good. You never know when they're gonna pop up.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

Exactly. They go to dance recitals, but then they also go to stores. Remember the Zittimers one? They just went to Zittimers and took photos of people. And it's basically like what people wore. Yeah. So they were at the Freeze Art Fair at the shed uh this past weekend and they had a full photo like shoot thing, like the drop thing and the lights.

SPEAKER_05 1:19

Yeah. And like a full photo shoot booth ready to go.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

Insane. So I went, they told me how to pose. I the guy like basically knows what he wants to highlight in your outfit. And he does did a couple of close, but he was like, put your arms behind you, kind of stick them out. Um you look so good.

SPEAKER_04 1:36

So cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

Thank you. I had a cute outfit on. I know. I was wearing my Uniqlo pop of red side with my Bass Legions. And so then they interviewed me. They were like, oh, so I go up and they go, Do you want me to be photographed for the lookbook? I was like, uh duh. You know what the lookbook is? Duh. And I said, You shouldn't photograph anyone that doesn't know what the lookbook is. Completely agree. They don't deserve to be in it.

SPEAKER_05 1:56

Completely agree.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

So then they interview after you, after for a little soundbite. Emily A B P. Always be producing. I knew if they were going to use my photo, they were going to use some of my quotes. I was the marvelous Mrs. Mazel. I was working the room. There's one woman there. I am doing bits with her. She was not entertained. And I just was like, I'm going to drop some real one-liners on her.

SPEAKER_04 2:26

Clip it.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Clip it. Exactly. Produce it. So she asked me why I was there today, and I said that I was trying to find a rich husband and that I'm into people watching.

SPEAKER_05 2:34

And it made it in.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

And it made it in.

SPEAKER_05 2:36

Do you want to read the quote?

SPEAKER_02 2:37

Yes. So they said, Why are you here today? And I said, I'm a big people watcher, and this is the best people watching in the world. I'm also trying to find a rich husband here. Let's be honest. The guy working the front door was really cute. He was really cute and he checked me out. Maybe I'll ask for his number on the way out. I didn't ask for his number. He wasn't there. Um, but that's it. I gotta say, I look much better than a lot of these people on this. Really good. And now we're just waiting to see if it makes it to actual New York Magnus.

SPEAKER_05 3:00

Fingers crossed, everyone go out and buy. Pray, please, everyone.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

But this is it. But besides this, Emily, what are you obsessed with this week?

SPEAKER_05 3:08

I'm obsessed with teen dramas, right? Like I love a teen show, always have, always will, even though I'm no longer in my teens. Um, but then a subdivision of that is like the TV boyfriend. Like when you're watching these teen shows, like you become obsessed, not just me, but everyone, all the girlies. And you're not even shipping the relationships, you're shipping like the one cute guy. Like you start to like these characters, they're ensemble casts. So as you know, I read the deal, and now I'm watching off campus on Amazon Prime, and I finished it. And it weaves together a few of three first books. They're and it's an ensemble cast, which is very reminiscent of old teen dramas that we used to watch growing up. So there's lots of characters. The main storyline is with this the guy's Garrett Graham, so cute, love him. But then they start to weave in the third book, and you meet Dean De Laurentis.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

I've only watched the first episode. Dean is so old. Oh, he's like the hottest person I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_05 4:12

God. So then as I'm watching, and I see like discourse happening on TikTok where people are like, oh, I'm a Dean girl.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

But so here's my question about this in relation to off campus. Does Dean have a thing with that girl as well?

SPEAKER_05 4:26

No. So it's not always because of love triangles that you choose which guy. There's another storyline because it's an ensemble cast, so you see his relationship with another girl like blossoming at least. So my point is I love a TV boyfriend, and I love when people start choosing what team they're on. Sometimes it is because there's a love interest or it's a love triangle, like summer I turn pretty. Do you want Belly to be with Conrad or Jeremiah? Whose team are you on?

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 4:52

I'll get to that, Kyle.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

So sorry, I I haven't watched real teen shows since I was a teen. So summer I turn pretty means nothing to me.

SPEAKER_05 5:01

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 5:02

I don't actually know the last one that I really watched.

SPEAKER_05 5:05

Well, you know what you cannot consider. I was like last night looking because people were considering tell me lies. And I was like, no, no, no, that is toxic.

SPEAKER_04 5:13

No.

SPEAKER_05 5:14

Tell me lies is not included in this. You cannot ever be team Steven DeMarco. That's insane.

SPEAKER_04 5:18

Right.

SPEAKER_05 5:19

So I love Garrett Graham, but like as you watch, like you learn who you like. And I'm Team Dean De Laurentis. Yeah. And then other girls are like, I'm so I love Dean. I love Dean. And then it's just like what people start to become obsessed with. And I love that.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 5:32

So then I went back. I was starting to feel like reminiscent.

SPEAKER_02 5:35

I'm sorry, I hate to put a hole in this argument.

SPEAKER_05 5:39

What?

SPEAKER_02 5:40

Just because I guess I don't understand how you can be Team Garrett or Team Dean. It's just who you like more. It's just who you like more. I'm on board. I got it.

SPEAKER_05 5:48

So I think it's like who you like more, and then it's like, who does your friend like? Oh, you that's so your type, and this is so my type. And then you start to go back and you're like, oh, well, I always like Nate Archibald in that track. Like, you there's a through line. I got it. And I have friends who are so always the other side as me, of me.

SPEAKER_04 6:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 6:03

And they're always gonna be like, I know that I love Dean De Laurentiis, but my friend Vicky, I knew she wasn't. She's a Graham girly. My friend Sam, we always disagree. She's a Dean girly. And I'm like, what? This is throwing me for a loop.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

Now, do you find yourself always falling on the side of like the bad boy?

SPEAKER_05 6:20

Duh.

SPEAKER_02 6:21

Okay, great.

SPEAKER_05 6:21

Go no further. Yeah, it's usually like a witty nerd, like a golden boy jock or a bad boy. And sometimes they can like overlap a little bit. A lot of people are comparing this show to Dawson's Creek.

SPEAKER_02 6:34

Which I never watched.

SPEAKER_05 6:35

Which I think you probably do have to watch.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

I really want to watch.

SPEAKER_05 6:38

Because I want to know if you're a Dawson or a Pacy. Like there's that's what's fun. And that that is a love triangle. Sometimes there is a love triangle involved, but where did you fall on Dawson's? So I'm like kind of embarrassed. I was a Dawson, but like looking back, I'm like, I was such an idiot. I just like liked him because he was the star of the show. I think I I think I'm a Pacy.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

Just based on what I know of it, which is broad brush strokes, I'd go pacey.

SPEAKER_05 7:01

I know. I wasn't really like super into it, but you were like a Gilmore Girls fan.

SPEAKER_02 7:05

A huge Gilmore girls fan.

SPEAKER_05 7:07

So who did you go for?

SPEAKER_02 7:09

That's really tough. Probably um, I mean, I loved the thing is that anyone besides Dean. No, I was Team Jess. I would team Just Team Jess All the Way.

SPEAKER_05 7:19

Team Jess All the Way. Yeah. Bad boy, but also like nerdy.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 7:22

Oh, but you know who I loved in Gilmore Girls was I loved the um Chad Michael Murray character from season two. Of course. What was his name?

SPEAKER_02 7:29

I can't remember anything.

SPEAKER_05 7:30

I can't remember either. Oh my god, he was everything. Everything.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

But what I think is more interesting about the Gilmore Girls discourse is where you fall on Loralize. I think Max Medina was the perfect man for her.

SPEAKER_05 7:45

Oh my god. I forgot about him.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

She proposed with a thousand daisies.

SPEAKER_05 7:49

Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

I loved Max Medina.

SPEAKER_05 7:52

Well, she was just always meant to be with Luke.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

I know, but he was not good.

SPEAKER_05 7:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

So I my homework is that I'm going to be watching. I keep wanting to call it the campus. Off campus.

SPEAKER_05 8:04

Off campus. Get off campus.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Yes. That blonde guy is so hot.

SPEAKER_05 8:08

Dean De Laurentis. I don't know his real name.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Is he related to Alison DeLaurentis?

SPEAKER_05 8:12

So you know what's so funny? Stop. So he's dating a girl on the show called Allie, and I don't know if they get married or not, but people are like, well, when they get married, her name is Alison De Laurentiz. Pretty little Liar shout out. There's a lot of Pretty Little Liar stuff woven in.

SPEAKER_02 8:26

Okay, so here's I think like Pretty Little Liars is the good example of like being team whatever, because there were no real love triangles, but you had a favorite boyfriend in the mix.

SPEAKER_05 8:38

Talk about problematic.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

100%.

SPEAKER_05 8:40

There was a teacher involved, and we were all rooting for the girl to be with the her teacher.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

But I'm just saying when it comes to the whole um teams. Yes, that's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:51

But love triangle or not, you still always choose somebody. Like you're always like, and there's really a through line. You can really tell a lot about a person with who their team was.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 9:02

The two that I wasn't um I didn't watch of Vampire Diaries where people are very clear on that, and Teen Wolf. Yes. So those are the two that I like feel like I have to watch now so I can know who my team is. It's like knowing your Hogwarts house. Like I need to know what team I'm on.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

Of like teen shows.

SPEAKER_05 9:19

Yeah, like the cute boys.

SPEAKER_02 9:21

So we on our socials are going to see how we align on some of our Yeah, let's see if we are alike or not. Great.

SPEAKER_05 9:29

What's your obsession?

SPEAKER_02 9:30

Um, it's finally summer here in New York. We were hit with some beautiful sunny days. And sunscreen is important.

SPEAKER_05 9:38

Sunscreen is so important.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

So I wanted to talk about my favorite sunscreens. One is for the body for like tanning, tanning, tanning.

SPEAKER_05 9:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:47

Vacation baby oil.

SPEAKER_05 9:49

If I may say so myself, that is the cutest bottle I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

It's so cute. Also, my body shape.

SPEAKER_05 9:54

It's a yeah. Um it's adorable.

SPEAKER_02 10:00

Yes, I love this. It's a baby, it's an oil. It's not actual baby oil, but it has the consistency of baby oil. And it makes me feel really sexy when I wear it.

SPEAKER_05 10:08

The brand is vacation. Vacation. It's a cute brand I've seen before, but I have not seen the oil.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

Yes, I'll just let you smell it.

SPEAKER_05 10:14

It's like a baby pink top.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

A really nice smell.

SPEAKER_05 10:17

Oh, it's a oh my.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

I know.

SPEAKER_05 10:20

So the thing about it's summer in a bottle. I would perfume this.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

Yes. I find sunscreens to have like a horny smell to them. You know, like it's just they're just imbued with that.

SPEAKER_05 10:31

1000%.

SPEAKER_02 10:32

That I love a bot, I love an oil sunscreen on your body. I think it's so nice. Better coverage. Get someone to rub it on you.

SPEAKER_05 10:40

It's like hot and de Laurentiis, are you available?

SPEAKER_02 10:44

So this is my favorite body.

SPEAKER_05 10:46

And it's 30. So it's like you're not just putting on four, whatever everyone does when they put it in.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

You put it on every two hours. If you're good about your sunscreen, this is a great one for like laying out and getting pulled.

SPEAKER_05 10:58

Were you ever jealous growing up that you had dark hair that you couldn't put the lemon wedge in it?

SPEAKER_02 11:03

I still did it and it made my hair red. It did? Yes. Yeah. It's it was awful.

SPEAKER_05 11:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 11:08

Maybe I'll try it again this summer. But then my favorite face sunscreen that every man should be wearing.

SPEAKER_05 11:13

And woman. Everyone. Everyone. I like this brand for me too.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

But Gillian's boyfriend John was like, Oh, I don't need to wear sunscreen today. It's overcast. I was like, no, you have to wear it every day.

SPEAKER_05 11:21

They don't, they don't understand.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

This is Atwater Skin Armor SPF Mineral. Oh, sorry, SPF 50 mineral face sunscreen. I love all the Atwater products.

SPEAKER_05 11:31

It's amazing. I love it too.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

Men's Grooming Company.

SPEAKER_05 11:34

I use their eye cream.

SPEAKER_02 11:35

I love their eye cream.

SPEAKER_05 11:36

Yeah, it's really good.

SPEAKER_02 11:37

But smell this. So this is just your daily sunscreen.

SPEAKER_05 11:42

That's nice. It's really nice. That's really nice.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

It is really light. It's not greasy at all. Um and it what I really also like about it is that every time I put it on my face, people ask me if I'm wearing like a light foundation or something like that. Like a primer or something. Like it really like does feel greasy. And when you're like covering your face in all the products, it just like you can kind of Yeah, I can see it's just like a nice base. There's no white cast, no grease. Um, it just smooths and it also has like it has things in it that will calm down your skin because all these products like do irritate the skin. Yeah. It just it soothes it out, especially after a day in the sun. You kind of you don't want any more damage or to look any worse. But this is a perfect sunscreen for every day and also at the beach. It's SPF 50.

SPEAKER_05 12:35

When you go to the beach, how often are you reapplying? Because that's very important.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

I'm putting, I should be better. I probably stretch like two and a half hours.

SPEAKER_05 12:45

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

Yes. But the truth is, if you're feeling yourself burned, it's already too far gone.

SPEAKER_05 12:50

Too far gone.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

But I just love both of these sunscreens. This Atwater sunscreen is so nice. I like all their products. Check out all their moisturizing stuff.

SPEAKER_05 12:57

Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_02 12:57

Their skin products, but I really do enjoy it.

SPEAKER_05 13:00

I'm buying that vacation baby oil like immediately.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

It's adorable. It's great, and it smells so good.

SPEAKER_05 13:04

Oh my god, no, the smell is why I have to do it.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

Just don't use the oil on your face because it will sweat and get in your eyes.

SPEAKER_05 13:11

Oh, then you're like blind the rest of the day.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

You're just like, it looks like you've been crying. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 13:15

You'll have to go inside. Like you have to go inside and lay down and put a cold compress on your eyes. Your day's ruined.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

It's you know, in science class when you have that thing that you pull down of you have capital. Something happened. That's kind of what I need. Just like an eye back.

SPEAKER_05 13:26

It's so annoying.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

Um, let's talk about our guests this week.

SPEAKER_05 13:30

I loved them.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

They're so fabulous.

SPEAKER_05 13:32

They're so fun.

SPEAKER_02 13:33

We have the Brownstone Boys on. Jordan Slocum and Barry Borlon. I think that's how you pronounce the last name. I only know them as the Brooklyn, the Brownstone boys.

SPEAKER_05 13:42

The Brownstone Boys.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

The Brownstone Boys is an Instagram account and company that these this husband pair have created that is dedicated to restoring and renovating beautiful brownstones.

SPEAKER_05 13:54

They started with their own brownstone and now they've like started, they took on clients and started their own company.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Yeah, they have uh a Substack, they have a YouTube interview series. We're gonna get all into their love of homes, their love of Brooklyn. We're just two Brooklyn girls, so it's exciting to talk to Brooklyn boys.

SPEAKER_04 14:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

We'll be right back. Jordan Barry, welcome. We're obsessed with you. Oh we love your. I discovered you through your Instagram account and then just fell in love with everything you guys do. And I had no clue until researching this like the umbrella of what the brand is. Like it's kind of like a Russian nesting doll. Like every time. Yeah. Look at your tax returns. Um, and we just we love architecture, we love Brooklyn, and we just fell in love with your page. And then we had John Watch Haven't. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you. Yeah for having us. So tell us about Brownstone Boys, the brand, and how you guys started that mini moon.

SPEAKER_05 14:58

And how it's kind of grown to what it is now.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Mini Moon seven long years ago. It feels like five lifetimes, but here we are. Um, so it really kind of happened by accident. We didn't mean to do it. We, you know, uh we decided to buy a brownstone after we started dating. Um seven months after that's how we're gonna get to know one another. Um, so you know, we both have backgrounds in design here and there, nothing huge, but we decided to buy our house and we decided to jump into this crazy big renovation and restoration of it. Um, and we didn't have a big budget, so we had to do all the work ourselves. Um, and on the I think it was like the night before we closed on the house, Jordan sat me down and said, I have an idea that I want to run by you. And he had the name Brownstone Boys. He had like lots of plans. Oh my gosh. Okay, yeah, sure. We'll start a blog and an Instagram account. Our moms will read it. Yeah, he's cute, like you know, like most people who start blogs. And it very quickly became much more than that, like literally after our first post. Um, and we never expected it to happen that way.

SPEAKER_03 16:04

Yeah, and then like I think it was month five into our renovation, and we were doing a lot of the work ourselves and we're blogging about it, the goods, the bads, and everything in between. Yeah, I was very much still learning a lot about Barry and or hey, nothing. Like, if you ever want to really get to know your partner, do a renovation with them, and then like really smart the projects yourself. So we were putting all of our learnings out there, and then people were reaching out to us like crazy. And then finally, after giving free advice for like what felt like five years, it was really like five months. But we were like, Finally, do you need extra help with this? And this one couple that reminded very much of us. They were like, Absolutely, we'll do anything to work with you guys. So we signed them up to be our first clients that escalate into three. We quit our full-time jobs, pursued Brownstone Boys full-time. And now, seven years later, we've done like 32 townhouse restorations.

SPEAKER_05 16:54

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

It's wild.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

It's wild. Most people don't even get into 32 townhouses. I mean, yeah, like physically. Yeah, right. Crazy.

SPEAKER_05 17:03

What were you doing before you in design beforehand?

SPEAKER_03 17:06

Yeah, so I fell into design by mistake. I worked for do you know why Ample Hills Creamery? Obsessed with Ample Hills Creamery. But I joined them. But I joined their team when they were two ice cream shops, and I helped them design 16 shops. So I worked alongside their architect building really quickly all of these shops, and they just grew at a really rapid pace. And I learned so much from that. I'm sure. And then that's when Barry and I met on Grinder.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Throw it out there, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

Um, and seven months later, we, you know, bought this house together. Yeah. And I uh wanted to be an architect my entire life growing up. Used to when I was eight, draw like plans of like floor plans of houses. My parents thought I was very weird. And uh I went to architectural school and lasted about two years before I became an architectural school dropout. And moved over to College of Business, as you do, and got a business degree and went into software sales. So dropped my dreams at the door and went a different direction. But I I guess I don't know. I didn't, I always really loved real estate and design and ended up scraping together every penny I could to buy my first apartment, which is a little one-bedroom apartment in Brooklyn. And I renovated it and lived there for a couple of years, then sold it. And I was like, that was fun, and I made some money. Yeah, that was a good time. So then I bought another apartment that needed more renovations. Um, and I renovated that one, lived there for a couple of years, and sold it. And when we closed on our place, it was like my like ninth closing or something like that. And I just kept doing that and like really enjoying it and kind of falling into this groove of feeling like I was designing it for when I was running renovating it for myself, but I feel like I was designing it for the person who was gonna buy it. So the future buyer, the client.

SPEAKER_04 18:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

So it feels felt natural when we started taking on clients that we were designing, you know, houses and spaces for clients.

SPEAKER_02 19:01

This is amazing because we've been talking about the thread of a lot of these people that we've been talking to. The reason why we're talking to them is their side hustle or their like passion project obviously. Right. That becomes their yeah, and you guys have established this incredible brand that started off as your side projects together. Which is, I mean, makes us feel good though.

SPEAKER_05 19:23

But I also love that like you fell in love and then got to do now something that you love. Like there's just like love all around.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

How do you look back at that first project you guys worked on together?

SPEAKER_03 19:33

Ooh, there were so many learnings in that project. This also happened, this was prime COVID days. Okay, so like the city actually mandated to shut down all construction sites and only allow one person per floor, which is just wild and like a full gut three-story brown stone renovation.

SPEAKER_05 19:50

Um were you living in there at the time too, or did you were living somewhere else?

SPEAKER_03 19:54

We were in our place. Yeah, we lived in our place. Thank God we had our home. But you know, it was just so many learnings. And looking back now, having all these projects under our belt, like we would have done things so differently, but we're so grateful for that experience. And we kind of need all of those problems.

SPEAKER_05 20:09

Yeah, and better to happen with your place than a client's place, right? And figure it all out. Absolutely. How long did it take, even though it was COVID?

SPEAKER_01 20:16

I mean, our place it probably took, I think it was like eight months. Yeah. I think about an eight-month project. So we didn't, our project was not as extensive as what we do now. Yes. Like now we do guys are full extensive, like top to bottom, the whole thing. Yeah. Um and we still do take-home projects that are similar to what we did in our house, but uh most of them are kind of the the bigger ones. But we had three client, three paying clients, full townhouse renovations before we quit our full-time jobs. So if they're out there listening, the moonlighting was strong, and we were fully had you know, another job while we were working our we had to do that. It was starting a business is hard. Right. Like figuring out health insurance is impossible when you quit your corporate you know jobs.

SPEAKER_05 21:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:01

Now, how did your romantic relationship stay intact while doing a renovation plus your regular jobs? Really good question.

SPEAKER_05 21:10

What's the secret?

SPEAKER_03 21:11

If anyone has any advice, please share with us. But um, I mean, we are constantly still learning about each other and we spend a lot of time together. But I really wouldn't want to do this any other way. And something that is very endearing to me about the brand that we are building is the community that we are very fortunate to be a part of. We I think all live in Brooklyn. Yeah, and Brooklyn is such a special, magical place, and like that was like I wanted that to be the third brownstone boy is Brooklyn. So we just got married uh two years ago now. Stunning, stunning. On our stoop, and we had like a block party wedding, and it was so special just because we invited strangers and neighbors and community uh anybody walking down the street and all the time.

SPEAKER_05 21:58

I wasn't walking down the street, I didn't know you were. There either.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

We actually meet people in our neighborhood walking our walk our dog around the corner and they're like, Oh, hey, but I came to your wedding. Like, amazing.

SPEAKER_04 22:08

Did you bring a gift?

SPEAKER_02 22:10

Yeah. What is it about Brooklyn and a Brooklyn brownstone that just has us all so charmed?

SPEAKER_05 22:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

I think it's the community factor. I mean, it's something about the stoop, for one thing, because the stoop brings you to the front of the house that we have a backyard and it's great, and we love going back there, but we probably hang out more on our stoop. If we want to have a glass of wine or a coffee or just sit outside, we're going to the stoop. And our neighbors are also out there. I love that. People are walking down the street saying hi. So it's just that kind of communal kind of feeling that you have. You want to be on the street. You want to be there with your neighbors. And it's why we decided to have our wedding on our street because we looked at other venues. We looked at places that you look at when you're planning a wedding. And every single place we went into just didn't mean anything to us. It was just a place. It was like a room or a place or a building.

SPEAKER_03 23:00

And I don't want to go back to that like COVID word because it was dark times on this uplifting podcast. But like there was something so special around that time because everyone was forced to like talk to neighbors. And like one of our favorite things was sitting on the stoop. Yeah. And we could begin out of the generations that have lived on this block and their stories of when they were kids on the block. And I mean, we live in Bedsty, and there's this really special mix of old and the new and coming together and they embrace it. And it's something really magical. And it just goes back to why I even moved to New York City in the first place. Right. Watching Sesame Street as a kid and seeing everyone sitting on the stoop and talking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

There's just something so charming about the front or welcoming about the front of a brownstone. Like you look at these new builds and they're so like cold and it's like door charming. Charmess. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:49

Even though I'm still peeking in the window.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

Of course. I'm watching what they're watching on TV, my favorite game. Um, but there's just something so welcoming about a brownstone. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:57

It is crazy. I live in an apartment building in Fort Green where there's a ton of beautiful brownstones. But it's so funny, like not knowing my neighbor. I live on the first floor, and I know the woman who lives across from me, and I've slowly started to know people. But you can go in and out of a building. I've lived there for eight years and not know anybody.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

It's wild. We know every single person who lives on our block. I live kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_04 24:21

That's a little extreme.

SPEAKER_03 24:22

Get a dog. That's a really great way of like meeting neighbors. You get to really get to know the community walking a dog. It's the best way to meet a partner. Bring a dog. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:32

Yes. I did dog walking once and I got a lot of like talking to me.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

We want to talk about Bagels with the boys. Yeah. Your interview show on your YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_03 24:42

How did that come to be? So tying into the community, we really wanted to our house tours for our projects do really well on YouTube. But we only are producing like X amount of house tours a year because we only take on five or six projects a year. And we wanted a way to like see other people's houses and get to know them. Yeah. I mean, you're talking to the king and queen of this. We are such voyeurs when it comes to people's homes. Exactly. So I was like, let's do this series with bagels. And like I love a New York bagel. Um, and then I could bring them their favorite bagel order. We can try new bagel orders.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

Um I'm kind of obsessed with people's bagel orders. Yes. It's wildly different. Like people go sweet, some people go savory, some people are boring right down the middle. Yeah. So it's actually pretty fun to like see what people are into, try it with them. Something I'm not gonna lie, some of them we do not like. Yes, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_05 25:41

Yes. I follow this girl on TikTok who is trying celebrities' bagel orders. And she's going through, and each day or week she's trying a new bagel and then she'll like rank it. And there's a few that I'm like, oh, I never thought to like do salami and butter on a plain bagel. Sorry, Jessica Parker. But I will.

SPEAKER_03 25:58

Yeah. Is that really her bagel order? Yes. It's wild. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 26:02

But it's a plain bagel, so the girl ranked it a little lower. It should have been maybe like an everything bagel, we think. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do you have any bagel red flags?

SPEAKER_03 26:11

I can say, I mean, the worst bagel order, I'm not gonna say whose it was, was a plain bagel with just egg, no cheese. Ew. Exactly. It's so dry. Yeah, it was horrible.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

It was pretty uh terrible. I also don't like green cream cheese. I need something in the cream cheese. Scallion. I'm always a scallion.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

Just put something in there. Yeah. Is it a situation kind of like people with their dogs where their bagels start to represent their homes?

SPEAKER_01 26:37

You're like, this is a chaotic design. This is a chaotic bagel situation. I actually don't know. That's an interesting one. We should start comparing the bagel order to the home. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

The plain bagel, they were from Wisconsin. So I was like, oh, this might be a Wisconsin thing. Play.

SPEAKER_02 26:53

Wisconsin. Cheese. Cheese. So you guys live in Bedsty. What are some of your favorite Bedsty haunts?

SPEAKER_04 27:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

Where should we go?

SPEAKER_01 27:04

Okay, so classic bed style Saragina pizza. I love. It's amazing. There is one in Fort Green. It is not the same. It's a total.

SPEAKER_05 27:13

I don't like the menu as much either. I don't like it as much.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

It's beautiful in there, but it's a it's just different. It's a different concept. Yeah. So Saragina is one.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

Olmo, just open up. Mexican. I think they're it's Oaxaca-based Mexican. Ooh, I like that. Delicious. Great margaritas. And then trad room for like Japanese American. So, so so.

SPEAKER_05 27:34

I went to trad room. I've been, I think it was delicious.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

It was so much. Yeah, I liked it. And for coffee, milk and pull is my favorite. Do they do matcha?

SPEAKER_05 27:42

I'm a matcha girl.

SPEAKER_03 27:43

They do a matcha. They do do a matcha.

SPEAKER_05 27:44

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

I hear great things about it. Yeah. Cheese on the breakfast sandwich, cheese on the breakfast sandwich. Okay. Great. Um, can you explain a little bit the relationship between a client and a designer? Like what is that professional?

SPEAKER_05 27:59

Finding the right match. It's like dating, kind of.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

It is a very intense relationship, and it's a very long-term relationship for us. We're with people and they're with us for sometimes up to three years, two to three years between the architecture and design, which can take a year in a lot of houses, like a landmarked home, going through that process. And then um a year and a half to two if there's an extension on the house or something. So it's a long relationship. There's a lot of ups and downs. It is a roller coaster ride. This is how we describe it to clients when they we start because we want them to know there's gonna be some low points and we're gonna work through it together.

SPEAKER_03 28:38

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 28:40

Do you two typically agree on like do you have you guys met with someone where you're one of you is like, oh, this is gonna be great, and the other is like, I don't think it's gonna work.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

Every single day. Really?

SPEAKER_05 28:51

That's so funny.

SPEAKER_03 28:52

Yeah, we are like, so we're kind of opposites, but we compliment each other. Exactly. And I always use our house as a reference because when we first moved in and did our first renovation, because of course, now if we're designers, we had to re-renovate our house. So just finished that. But like Barry, I put up a big fight with him to paint like one wall a color. He was a like 50 shades of gray type person. He lost a gray, which I'm I think you do too. I remember hearing this. Um, but there was no color anywhere. And now you walk in, every single wall in our house has color on it. He loves it, which makes me happy. So like he's changed a little. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:32

How do you feel about wallpaper? I was just gonna ask that.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

Love wallpaper. Love. I do too. I love wallpaper on a ceiling.

SPEAKER_05 29:38

I was just gonna say that. I was just gonna say that. I also I love it on a ceiling in a little bathroom.

SPEAKER_03 29:43

Like a little half bath.

SPEAKER_05 29:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 29:45

I love that.

SPEAKER_05 29:47

I mean, I don't have a half bath, but I would one day.

SPEAKER_03 29:49

I love, love, love.

SPEAKER_05 29:51

Is there something that's like a must-have in a house where you're like every time we're doing this, or is it so dependent on a client?

SPEAKER_03 29:57

It is dependent on the client, but I would say that don't underestimate a good light. Yeah, lighting. Lighting is like extreme. And like we do spend a lot of time with like the lighting schedule, the lighting. Because we're and it matters.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Yes. I will also add it's a little boring, but storage because it does not matter how beautiful your house is. If you don't have anywhere to put anything, it is never gonna look beautiful. You have to have a space for everything, you have to be able to put things away if you really want to enjoy the beauty of the home you built.

SPEAKER_05 30:36

Yeah, no, that's a good point. Like built-in.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Yes. How do you what do you guys do outside of your work?

SPEAKER_03 30:43

Yeah, when you're not renovating because it seems to be everything's so intertwined. Well, we did just get a puppy, so we're spending a lot of time at the park. Congrats, and he is just the best. And it's we need it one so bad just because it makes us separate work from like real time.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

And he doesn't let us work. Like we Jordan and I would come home and and laptops right back out. We'll start working. He does not allow that. So he's he puts his car down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:10

Yeah. I'm glad someone's getting you out and about.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

Yes. We travel a lot. We love, we're foodies in New York. We love trying different restaurants and hanging out with our friends here, going to the beach. You just took up gardening. I love all about the garden this year. It's it's like my gardening era.

SPEAKER_05 31:27

You get good light to garden in your backyard.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

I don't get good light. And this what I have figured out because we struggled for quite years, for years, is I refuse to buy any plant that says it needs full sun. It has to say part shade, part sun, and we're golden. Like everything is thriving and looking amazing and blooming and great. Yeah. But we were trying to put a square plug in a round hole for a while, and it didn't work.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

His obsession, and this isn't our obsession, but his is like he always and I watch TV upstairs, and then he watches TV downstairs, and he's always watching like some English gardening show. So Monty Don.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

No, Monty Don's amazing. You're never gonna stop watching it. It's so good. It's just like Zan out and stare at the TV, and it's like there's like birds chirping in the background, and he's in the garden with his dogs, and he's like talking about replying. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 32:20

And what are you watching upstairs?

SPEAKER_02 32:22

I'm like watching Real Housewives screaming, and it's pro that the boss driving offer. That lulls me to sleep. So speaking of obsessions, we'll be right back with your obsession, but what's one word you've used to tease us?

SPEAKER_03 32:37

Um, it's something that we actually have spoken about already. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 32:41

Okay, okay, okay. I'm gonna like go back into the Rolodex.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

We'll be right back.

SPEAKER_05 32:45

We'll be right back.

SPEAKER_02 32:51

So you've now teased us with half the hour. Okay. Half an hour.

SPEAKER_05 32:57

Tell us about your obsession. What are you obsessed with?

SPEAKER_03 33:00

Okay, so our obsession, and we spoke about this earlier. I can't believe you guys called out our obsession already. Oh my god, we're so I'm a detective. I'm a detective.

SPEAKER_05 33:08

No, no.

SPEAKER_03 33:09

Our obsession is window peeking.

SPEAKER_05 33:11

Shut up!

SPEAKER_03 33:14

But like, I am manifesting for everybody out there to go down the street, peek into your favorite window. Let him see you. Let's happen.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

I don't know what you're doing for the next six hours with what we're gonna be talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is our favorite.

SPEAKER_05 33:30

No, I love it. And certain neighborhoods are better than others.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Definitely.

SPEAKER_05 33:34

Fort Green is fabulous. Fabulous.

SPEAKER_02 33:36

Carol Gardens, fabulous.

SPEAKER_05 33:37

There's so many brownstones. I I it's so good. And then there's some that are renovated, getting renovated, and I'm like, ooh, can I take a look in?

SPEAKER_03 33:45

Figuring out a story and like making up a story of the person that lives in there.

SPEAKER_05 33:49

100%.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

New York Mag article that just came out about orange light was the most. Did you read that? No, I haven't read it yet. It was fascinating. Basically, someone was like, you look through all these apartment buildings, and everyone now has orange light bulbs. Why? And they did a deep dive into the orange light. Wow. And now you you're gonna look around and all you're gonna see is orange light.

SPEAKER_05 34:08

I see that, and then I also see what's the um big.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Yeah, it's just knock off. Yeah. I mean, it's also like I think wasn't our second date. We biked around Brooklyn and like walked around, and we kind of that's when we figured out we both like loved brownstone Brooklyn and the communities. We were like just walking around window peeping and realizing that we loved it.

SPEAKER_04 34:30

Yeah, and it's totally so inspiring.

SPEAKER_03 34:32

New York centric, but like I love going to different neighborhoods, even in the city, even coming up here to the upper east side, totally, yeah, and just like thinking about like how different the worlds are, and you can be like one block away from your home, and it just seems like an entire different universe.

SPEAKER_05 34:47

The ones up here are so because we're on the upper east side, yeah, they have such a vibe, it's so different than a four-green one, to be sure. Just even the outside, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:57

It's like and it's great to see like the architecture of the house, which is amazing, what they did with it, you know, the lighting and the furniture, what they should be doing to it. And also just like the people's lives happening.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

Yeah, who is who is it and what are they doing? It's even the best when people are in, like you can see people inside dinner, and it's cool.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

I have a brownstone near me that I lust over because there's a beautiful baby grand piano in the window, and sometimes a cello uh we'll be sitting there and they'll play it. Like you'll just walk down, hear the music. It's incredible. That's when I'm like, I'm Carrie Bradshaw. It's the best.

SPEAKER_05 35:35

Do you ever catch people looking into your windows?

SPEAKER_02 35:37

We do.

SPEAKER_05 35:38

Yeah, we do.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

It's a dream. Yeah, it's so great.

SPEAKER_05 35:41

You're like, oh, act normal.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

No, I love it. I'm like, hey, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

I like to see what people are watching on females, and I love to see the the lighting situation. We're not big window covering people in our house. Like we don't really, we don't like close the drapes or like close the shutters. We sort of leave it open because we want to see out, but also it's not like that. I mean, we're off the the we're higher up off the street. But it's just, I don't know, it's nice to just let people in and let's just see out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:09

Have you ever looked peeked in and seen something where like, oh, that was a good idea? Like, I like what they did there. All the time.

SPEAKER_03 36:14

Yeah, all the time. Yeah. Furniture placement, because brownstones and townhouses are long and narrow. And it's not just townhouses that we're peeking in. We're peeking in apartments, everything.

SPEAKER_04 36:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:23

But it is interesting to see how they like lay out the furniture because there's only so many things you can do in a long and narrow space. So I'm always enticed by it. What's the craziest thing you've ever seen? Hmm. I mean, I saw a full-on like act once a between ago. Oh, what a dream.

SPEAKER_04 36:40

That was exciting.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

Yeah, of course. Um you know what? I always really get kind of peeved out on the lighting situation. Yeah. It's like a really cold light. I'm like, how are you living in there? It looks like a hospital.

SPEAKER_05 36:54

I can't stand it. Even when I look up at buildings and you see the ones that have those cold lights, I'm like, ugh.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

Or people that don't, especially in a Fort Green or Carroll Gardens, like in these beautiful, expensive brownstones, when people cheap out on the lighting. Yeah. Like sometimes you see like an IKEA chandelier that you're just like, why? Yeah. Yeah. You couldn't spend a little more thousands of things. Right. I think you can afford it.

SPEAKER_04 37:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:16

Have you ever walked by like a former client's place and like checked in on that? Yeah, have they been doing what we told them to do?

SPEAKER_01 37:23

For sure. And we have not been like unpleasantly surprised. No, it's always been a happy. It's always like, oh, great, it looks like it should. Great. Everything's happening the way we when we like it.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

My family has a house in Maine, and I'll be going there this weekend. Sounds beautiful. It's beautiful. But it's also really exciting to walk around there and just see people living their like beach house fantasies. Like people they're playing cards, they're playing board games. And it's just so lovely to see them connect in that way. It's so nice. It's so nice. I know.

SPEAKER_05 37:59

My parents are in Florida and their neighborhood is becoming um like they're building these modern houses. Oh yes. And I hate them. We're they're in Orlando and they're building like these like McMansion Miami mansions, like modern mansions. And I don't even want to look inside because you know what?

SPEAKER_01 38:16

Cold, gray, I don't want to see that. White.

SPEAKER_05 38:19

I don't want to see that. Like, give me a little charm, but nobody seems to care about that anymore. And I don't know if that's happening. Have you seen that happening in New York also? Like with people wanting a little more modern.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

We yes, unfortunately. And we're we try to be careful with what clients we take on because we don't, we, you know, we we want to honor the house. It's 150 years old. Like, we're not gonna ruin that and make it look like it's not. Um, we don't mind bringing in modern elements to it, and we love mixing those things for sure, but we want to keep that original character and charm, or even if it's not original, like character and charm. Yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:53

And that's what's so great about social media for us, and that's why we do a lot of it, just because people already have the expectation of who we are and what we design. Yeah, right. Because we only post like old things, and then like, oh, these guys would never rip out all of these original details and put in the white everything everywhere. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

So on a scale of one to ten, how judgmental are you on your window peeping journeys?

SPEAKER_01 39:18

I would put it up pretty, I'd say a 10. Pretty judgmental. I could be pretty damn because you're also they're just right one after the other. So you can just five, but I use the 10. I'm judgmental on the lighting. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:37

I live on the first floor, and so um, I like have to get my apartment ready in case you come to the neighborhood.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

I like can't be judged. I keep we'll see you later. She's just scrolling, and I just videoed her spotted her scrolls on the story.

SPEAKER_04 39:53

I'm living on the first counter. She didn't respond. I was too busy scrolling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Um, we're running out of time, but we want to do a lightning round to get your takes on some hot topics. Okay. Only tell us if you're obsessed or over it. Three, two, one.

SPEAKER_05 40:07

Having more than a hundred unread texts.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

Over it.

SPEAKER_01 40:13

Brutalism.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

Over it. Obsessed.

SPEAKER_05 40:18

Board shorts.

SPEAKER_02 40:19

Over it. Over it. Promposals.

SPEAKER_01 40:23

Obsessed. I don't know. I I don't obsessed?

SPEAKER_05 40:28

Arnold Palmer's.

SPEAKER_01 40:31

Over it. Over it.

SPEAKER_05 40:32

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Ambiguity. No, obsessed. I'm definitely obsessed. Obsessed.

SPEAKER_05 40:39

Wrought iron bed frames.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Obsessed.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

Obsessed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:43

Same. Obsessed.

SPEAKER_02 40:44

Table pancakes. What is that? It's when you go to brunch and someone says, let's get a pancake for the table.

SPEAKER_05 40:50

Obsessed.

unknown 40:51

Obsessed.

SPEAKER_05 40:52

He has made me obsessed with that. Paisley Print.

SPEAKER_02 40:56

Obsessed. Obsessed. Public transportation. Obsessed obsessed. We heard you're obsessed with public transportation.

SPEAKER_03 41:02

Obsessed. Because it was hot in New York, and I don't know why. Maybe I just had good juju on the subway, but every car I got in was blasting AC and it felt so lovely. That is so nice.

SPEAKER_05 41:14

Well, my problem is there's not enough maps on the um train. Yes. Or on the platforms. There's sometimes when you're on a platform and there isn't a map. Yeah. What about people who don't have smartphones or that are visiting from out of town? What are they supposed to do? It grinds my gears.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

And it's just all the place of ads. That's the problem. Right.

SPEAKER_01 41:34

And so it is, it's a map, then the map goes away, and you have to watch an ad for five minutes before the map comes back.

SPEAKER_03 41:39

Okay, I'm over that.

SPEAKER_05 41:42

When it runs, it runs. We love the MJ.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

We're always talking about the MJ.

SPEAKER_05 41:46

And they do really cute things now around the holidays. Like Valentine's. Where are the hearts? Yeah. They did something for Halloween. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

Adorable.

SPEAKER_05 41:55

It's really cute.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

Perfect. Um, we have one final question. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 41:57

Ready?

SPEAKER_02 41:58

Three, two, one. Are you obsessed with us? Thank you so much for being here. Tell our listeners where they can find y'all.

SPEAKER_03 42:08

Oh, everything is at Brownstone Boys. So Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, threads, at Brownstone Boys. Subscribe at Brownstone Boys. Everything.

SPEAKER_02 42:18

And your book is available in source. Yes, for the love of renovating. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 42:21

And wait, what bagel order should everyone try?

SPEAKER_02 42:24

Oh, yes. Drop our bagel.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

My favorite bagel order that we've had on the show. It was an everything bagel toasted with scallion cream cheese, fresh tomatoes, and fresh sprigs of dill. From Apollo bagels. Amazing.

SPEAKER_05 42:37

Apollo bagels. There we go. Done. Done.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

Done.

SPEAKER_05 42:39

Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 42:40

Oh, obviously. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 42:43

Oh my god, so fun.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

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SPEAKER_05 42:46

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SPEAKER_02 42:50

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