Ep. 16: Coming Home to Who You Already Are with Ebony Fleming

There are conversations that stay with you long after you hit stop on the recording.

This was one of them.

When I sat down with Ebony Fleming, I expected to talk about meal planning, routines, and creating healthier habits. We did talk about those things, but what unfolded was so much deeper.

We talked about what it means to come home to yourself.

Ebony shares how surviving childhood trauma led her on a journey of rediscovering who she really was, and why healing wasn't about becoming someone new. It was about learning to trust herself again.

Together we unpack why so many women struggle with self-trust, how information overload has disconnected us from our own intuition, and why the way we feed ourselves physically, emotionally, spiritually, and relationally says so much about how we see ourselves.

We also dive into the power of community, creating spaces where women feel safe to be seen, and why support will always create more lasting change than pressure ever could.

This episode reminded me that legacy isn't built through perfection. It's built in the small, intentional ways we choose to care for ourselves and each other every single day.

If today's conversation resonated with you, I'd love for you to share it with another woman who needs the reminder that she doesn't have to become someone else to step into what's next.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello, and welcome back to the Legacy Edit Podcast. I'm your host, Sarah Nicole. Today I'm joined by Ebony Fleming, founder of Thrive Empowered and host of the Thrive Like a Mother podcast. As women, mothers, business owners, and leaders, it's so easy to spend so much time taking care of everybody else around us that we just lose connection with ourselves. And Ebony's work is centered around helping women create sustainable rhythms, build confidence, and find ways to thrive instead of simply getting through the day. I am so excited for today's conversation because I know so many of us, especially in this day and age, can relate to that journey. So, Ebony, welcome to the Legacy Edit Podcast. I'm so happy to have you here. And I would love for you to take a second to introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about who you are, what you do, and how you got started with Thrive Empowered.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

Yeah, absolutely awesome. So I am a mama of three. Oh my gosh, two girls, eight years old, five years old, and then a baby boy who is two. Um, and Thrive Empowered honestly started back in the day. I was first just a mama of one and trying to figure out my own wellness journey. Um, also trying to figure out how to feed this little person who now called me mom and realizing like, oh my gosh, I don't even know where to start. I don't know where to start. I didn't feel confident in um creating meals for my family, let alone like cooking them. Uh, and so the journey and the ambition behind Thrive Empowered really started because I needed help. And I figured if I was, you know, struggling, then how many other moms out there are struggling, you know, silently trying to figure it out by themselves, trying to figure out how to feed their families, trying to figure out how to fuel themselves, um, and truly thrive, and not feel like, oh my gosh, every day I feel like you know, I'm trying to get through mud or something. Um, and so everything from that moment, everything from that moment has been evolving over time. So I've become basically a meal plan mentor. So I love to teach women and other moms how to meal plan, how to meal prep, and how to do it so that it actually fits their actual life and isn't like that, I would say that Pinterest or that Instagram way of meal prepping that we see so often. We're like, okay, I guess that's how you do it. Yeah, I'm that mom that tells you it doesn't have to be that way. Um, I also have been branching into creating community in person recently, and so I have been recently launching my own in-person meal experiences, cooking for other women and giving them the space to have conversations that we don't normally get to have all the time. Um, and as you said, I also host the Thrive Like a Mother podcast. So that's just another avenue, you know, where I get to pour into my listeners weekly, um, share real time things that are happening in my life and how um I'm navigating it, but then also bringing on guests uh that get to, you know, share, you know, their wisdom with them as well. So yeah, that's what about me.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Oh my gosh, I love that so much. And I love that you, you know, talked about making it kind of more realistic, right? Because as a mom myself, you know, my son is 17, my daughter will be 10 this year. And so they're in different seasons of life themselves. So having to try and take care of their meals and my meals. And I'll be honest, most days, most days there's not a new dinner cooked. Like I need to invest in Ebony's in Ebony's meal prep stuff that she teaches because uh they look bomb. Uh and because it isn't, it can be a struggle. It really can be a struggle when you know you're you're working in eight to five, you're building a business, there's more multiple people, and you know, I have food allergies, so that even limits, you know, what we can have in general. So I love that you do that. And I know one of the things that you often talk about um is the idea that you don't have to become someone new to step into what's next. You just have to come home to who you already are, and I really want to kind of dive a little bit into where did that belief come from and what has that looked like in your own life?

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Oh gosh, yeah. Oof. So for me, that really came from my childhood story. Um and so I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, and I grew up in just not the greatest of situations. Um, my stepfather was sexually abusive, um, and that went on for years and years. And by the time, I'm talking like up until I went to college. So by the time I finally started to find my freedom, I also found myself at a crossroads of having to learn like who am I, right? And we all know that is such an interesting age, you know, as a young adult here now, not only just figuring out who you are, but now you start to have responsibilities. And for me, it was like, you know what? I don't have to try to reinvent myself, I just have to learn and understand who I am, trust the parts of me that are good, that I know that are good, and really say, like, you know, that part of my story doesn't define like who I am. Um and so for me, like coming home to myself meant like yeah, really not trying to invent a new person to try to escape what happened to me. It meant like really just owning, like, yes, that happened to me, but it like doesn't define who I am. I get to be all of who I am, plus you know, that portion of me that that made me even I think even more beautiful to be honest. Um, because not only did I survive, but I decided to keep living like after that.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Yeah. That is so beautiful. And it's sad that I know so many of the listeners can probably relate to a very similar story because nobody should have to go through that. And knowing that so many women do go through trauma like that, or that, you know, that really kind of make it where, like you said, like, you know, we want to, we just invent a new, invent a new personality, or a new ebony, or a new Sarah, rather than actually taking the time to figure out who you actually are and come back to that version. So I absolutely love that so much. Like that's just that's seriously so beautiful. And I want to touch on um the trust, because you know, you talked about trust and trusting ourselves, you know, when we just kind of think of it in the abstract, it sounds really simple, but for a lot of women, it is literally one of the hardest things to do. And I want to kind of touch on why do you think so many women struggle just to trust themselves and like what does rebuilding that trust actually look like?

SPEAKER_00 8:08

Yeah. I mean, when you look at the world that we live in now, I grew up um not having as much access to the internet as my kids do now.

unknown 8:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Um, but you look at it, we have so much access now to everyone else's lives, everyone else's perspectives. And that can be a beautiful thing, right? The connection, the ability to uh have a connection to someone, you know, across the world or something like that. But what also happens is we're now hit with all of these different perspectives, all of these different ideas of how a woman should behave or how a woman should be doing certain things, how you should show up in your life. And then you're looking at all of these things being bombarded, and you're like, Well, what if I don't want to do it that way? Do you trust that, or do you trust the outside that's constantly pouring into you, telling you this is how it should be? Um, and I think a lot of us, you know, with access to so so much information now, we've started to lose kind of that that intuition of just knowing if I don't get it right, it's okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

No, that that is such a good point. And because that's something that you know, I've been really, really focusing on myself personally. And it's like, it's so funny. I saw a reel or a meme or something the other day where it was like, you know, everybody's saying, trust your body, trust your intuition, but I have ADHD, and so if I listen to my body, you know, and so I'm sitting there and I'm like, you know, it really is, you know, we have so much information overload. Like we are in the era of information overload, you know, and and really, really understanding, like building that trust in yourself and how to actually even, you know, determine what is a trauma response that we are, you know, reacting to or responding to, and what is, you know, our actual intuition telling us like, hey, this is this is how how I see this, and this is how I actually want to, you know, move in the world. So yeah, I love that perspective. Thank you. That's yeah. And you know, something that I love about your message is that the way we feed ourselves physically, emotionally, and spiritually reflects how we see ourselves. So can you talk about that connection and what shifts when women start actually supporting themselves instead of just constantly pressuring themselves?

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Oh, yes, I love this. Because this is this is what lights me up, right? And it goes into that information overload, right? Um what content are you going to allow yourself to absorb? Also, what circles and community, what what type of people are you gonna surround yourself with um that truly allow you, you know, to to support yourself in a way um that does feel good, right? Um and going like with nutritionally, right? I I go back to my story of with my oldest daughter, where you know, I didn't necessarily trust myself. I was working at 95, still working 95, by the way. Yeah, but also with a commute, and then getting to pick her up and getting home and realizing that you know I didn't have not that I didn't have food in the fridge, but I didn't trust myself to pull off pulling together a meal um that I thought that she would eat. And so I started to lean on things that weren't maybe, you know, as nutritionally supportive for me or her. And so it was like the okay, she can she likes McDonald's, she can eat that, right? Um, but what happened is I got in that cycle of just like this is okay, this is okay, this is okay, but you keep telling yourself that and your body's telling you something different of like, no, this is not okay. But giving yourself kind of the opportunity to say, I want to do things differently. So, you know, thinking about what ways am I gonna feed myself? How am I gonna speak to myself? How am I gonna allow others to speak to myself? Um, you know, what types of circles do I need to be in? You know, where the people are, you know, speaking uplifting things and being real and honest. And I was like, how can we create more spaces like this where people understand like what that means, right? How can I pour into people in that way and feed them a meal that does not only taste good, but also you know, really nutritionally supports them? How can I create an environment where um they can have a conversation with women who are like-minded and uh also going through maybe similar things as them. Um, so yeah, I just yeah, I think it really just starts with that self-awareness of okay, this is not feeling good in my body, no shame, but what do I do? What what can I do to to pivot and fix this?

SPEAKER_01 14:06

Yeah, yeah, because I mean that's so that's how you you bring that together through your seasoned conversations. Is that yeah? Okay, yeah, that's really cool. Yeah. So if you want to um kind of take a second and maybe explain a little bit about like seasoned conversations explicitly, like what that is and like how like what the like I guess like the cadence to hosting them, like how often you do them and like you know what the what the long-term goal is with the season conversations. I love I love saying this. So so Ebony is in Georgia and I'm in California. So unfortunately, I haven't I haven't had an opportunity to attend one, um, but I always see them on online and they just look like such an amazing time. So yeah, I'd love to hear a little bit more about that specific base.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Yes. Uh so season conversations is a meal experience that I launched at the beginning of this year 2026. Um, and the premise behind it is really allowing women to take a night off from the mental load of what am I gonna have for dinner or this next one that we're having is actually a brunch. So what am I gonna eat in the morning?

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Oh, I love brunch. It's my favorite meal of the day.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

Oh man. Let's see, I'm just gonna have to come to Cali.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

Yeah, that or I'm gonna have to come to Georgia. Like, I'm my family is in Memphis and Nashville, like it's not that far. We're I'll make it work. Yes. Okay, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

No, you're okay. Um, but it starts there, right? Let's take out that equation of okay, what am I gonna eat? What am I doing? What am I gonna nutritionally feed myself with? It's fine. We've got you taken care of. But what it does is it now opens this space for you where you don't have to carry or be thinking about the responsibilities that you're carrying, whether you're a mom, whether you're an entrepreneur, five, whatever those things are, you like leave them at the door. And once you step in that room, like it's just time for you to think about yourself and the season of life that you're in. And what's really special is that I don't just feed them a meal, right? So I of course there's a menu, it's delicious. I love cooking for people, but I also take it as an opportunity to guide them through that conversation with themselves and with others um that are in similar seasons, like them, um, to give them an opportunity to, you know, take that space. Because I think a lot of us so often the time, like we know we have things we want to think about or talk about, but we don't always create the space for that type of thing. Um, and so season conversations is that it's giving yourself that space to have those conversations to be, like I said, around other like-minded women um who want to uplift and who want to thrive, right? Um so yeah, that's that season conversations, it happens now quarterly. Um, I plan to bring women together for us to gather. Um right now it is very intimate. I think that I want to keep it that way for a while, but I can't see us going bigger like in the future. Um maybe even doing some tours.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Yeah, girl, sign me up. You come to Cali and I'm down. Like I will, I'm in, I'm in Fresno, so I'm in I'm in the middle. I will go north-south wherever you go. I will come. Oh, I love that so much. No, and that and that's so cool because I can I can see that doing like a travel touring aspect too, because it is it's very niche and it's very needed. Like it is, you know, is something where it is, it's I don't know, there's it's just it's that community aspect to it, I think, really, and just giving that space for women is it's absolutely beautiful. Yeah. Now I mentioned, I mentioned earlier um about your meal preps because I've taken one of your, you know, courses on that and one of your workshops on that. And one of the ways that you work with women is uh through meal planning and creating sustainable routines. So, in that realm, what's something that you've seen happen in your clients' lives that had nothing to do with the food, but just how they show up for themselves and how they how they saw themselves in that process?

SPEAKER_00 18:40

Oh, oh gosh. Okay, yeah. I think the biggest thing is women stopped seeing themselves. I'm thinking of two particular clients. They stopped seeing certain things that was you know, kind of blocking the reason why they didn't meal prep or why they felt it was hard, and they started to let go of those blocks. And so one of the biggest things was like, I don't have enough time, right? I don't have enough time. And so I worked with one client and I was like, okay, what would you know, if meal planning was a thing, like what would you realistically want to dedicate to that? And she threw out the number 15 as a 15 minutes, and I was like, Well, why can't we do that? Let's try that, set a timer, see how you feel. And the thing is, like, some of us, like, we intend, you know, intuitionally, we know like that's what will feel good in my body. 15 minutes is all I've got, but then we see all the other people out there doing, you know, four hours and you know, take all day Sunday to do your meal prep, and then you get like, oh, well, if that's not the way you're not supposed to do it, then I'm just not gonna do it. Um, but it allowed her to not only say this is no longer a blocker for me, but also to trust like I can do it my way and it be okay. Um, had another client where like her kids started getting involved in the meal planning and prepping, so it was really cool to just see like that that ripple effect that it wasn't even just about um the food and you know feeding yourself, but it also becomes like you now teaching your family like what it looks like to care for yourself properly, what it looks like to intentionally take that time, um, no matter like what it looks like for your family, but teaching them that it's okay to do things your way, and it's okay to take time for yourself to make sure that you are properly like fed in all ways, right? So, not just with food. I think that's a big part of what I do. Like, it's not just about food, but it's about what things we're reading, what what what we're watching, um, you know, what we're doing when we get outside, right? You know, what what spaces we're putting ourselves in. It's it's about all of that. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Oh my gosh. I'm so obsessed with this conversation. And I feel like, because I literally just put a piece of content out yesterday that that kind of aligns with that. Cause it was like, especially with have you seen that um viral yapping challenge, $1.2 million. Yeah. So like now, yeah. And so I've seen so many creators over the last, like ever since that happened, you need to do it this way, you need to do it this way, like all of the things, right? And so it can get so noisy when you have so many people. And again, we're in the information overload age. You know, we can we we don't we don't have time to just sit like we used to, right? Like when we were. Kids, we didn't have the phones in our hand and 24-7. And you know, even now as an adult, I have my phone in my hand, scrolling way more than I need to, dissociating and you know, stepping outside of what needs to be done. And so when we have opinions coming from every single direction, a lot of the times if we try something and it doesn't work out the way that it's working out for the person who told us to do it that way, we assume well we're just we're just doing it wrong. We just can't do it, and then don't even try to find the way that works for us. So I love that you really encourage like finding what works for your clients, like actually seeing what feels comfortable for them in their season, in their life, in their, you know, what in their needs. So yeah, I love that. That's awesome. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I could, I could talk to you for so for so long. I'm obsessed with this conversation. I'm like, um, but I do want to talk about the chapter that you have coming out in um our friend Ati's uh Brams series. So I actually, uh if you guys listened to the last episode with Julie, she is also in um the volume three coming out in September. So I would love to take a second and have you tell the, you know, everyone listening what the readers can expect from your chapter and what message did you feel called to share? Because I'm I'm so excited for this volume. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

So yeah, the my chapter in the book, I'm just gonna say, like, it really took me on a journey. Um, so I think I initially, you know, started the process. I was like, I think I know what I'm gonna talk about, sure. But then you don't know until you're like sitting in front of the competing, you're about to type like the first words, and you're like, Oh, okay, this is what's coming out, and this is just what it has to be. Um, and so I I will give you guys the title because it's literally everything that I'm about. Um, the title is Trusting Yours um Trusting Yourself Brick by Fucking Brick, like literally, little by little. And you know, I share part of my story, right? Of not really starting to step into my own until I got to college. And so me starting to lay my bricks started then when I decided um like my life didn't have to look the way I thought that it that it had to, that I no longer had to accept the treatment that I had been accepting for so long, and it goes along that journey of me laying these bricks throughout different seasons in my life, throughout becoming an adult, through becoming a mother for the first time, um, and the second and the third. Like I take you guys through, I take you guys through it because what happens is you know, this chapter is so honest. It's like it's not just about gaining the bricks and and laying them, but it's also about like what happens when the bricks fall, because they do, right? Things happen in our lives where we do lose self-trust in ourselves, where we're like, gosh, that didn't turn out the way that I thought it was going to, or this isn't going the way that I expected it to. Um, and I think my my chapter gets really honest about being at some point. I won't say from the beginning, I think just when you're in there, you'll understand at some point I got okay with the the journey with the waves of okay, sometimes things aren't gonna go the way I expect them to, and that's okay because I know how to build self-trust in myself again. I know the tools that I need, I know the spaces that I need to put myself into. Um, I know the things I need to be saying like to myself, I know um who created me. You guys can't see it, but there's a quote over there that says, Um, I trust the next chapter because I know the author. So another big piece in my chapter was me also getting honest with my relationship with God. And as someone who went through the trauma that I went through, the relationship was non-existent. I didn't believe, you know, that he was there for me. I didn't understand why I had to endure what I had to. Um, and it really gets into okay, how do you go from someone who had no self-trust in themselves, no self-trust in God, no self-trust, no trust in anyone else? How do you go from that to being a woman who was now standing and leading other women to learn how to trust themselves in whatever capacity that meant, whether that was food, whether that was um a decision that they had to make, you know, with work or life or you know, being a mom in general. There's a lot of self-trust that needs to happen there because there's no manual on life, there's no manual for motherhood. Um but we we all have to we all have to learn, right? We all have to be able to be okay with trying, sometimes failing, and then getting up and trying again, even if it looks different than what we thought. And so I I'm really excited and also really proud of this chapter just because I, you know, I felt like even with just the chapter, I felt like this has to be like a whole book. Like the chapter for me is just the surface, it's just um the beginning, right? It's just a piece of all that I am and all that I want to um share with the world and impact, you know, the way I want to impact women in their lives and their families. It's it's just like the tip of the iceberg.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

So, what I hear you saying is there's a full book coming out, maybe? Oh, definitely. Oh my gosh, I love that so much. Oh my god, I'm so excited for that. That is wow. I'm so happy for you. That's awesome. Like, did you plan on writing a book at any point in time, or was that kind of like a catalyst that was like, you know what? Fuck it. My story needs to be heard.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

Okay, yeah. So now I've got to tell the story. Now I've got to tell the story. Go for it. Writing a book has always been something that's just been in my mind, right? It's like at some point I do want to write a book because like my experience isn't one that I think a lot of people have have seen, right? Like, um, even personally, like there were times when I wondered if I would even be here, like on this earth with what what I went through, what I endured. I was like, no one should, no child should ever have to go through this, especially now having children of my own and you know, grappling with those thoughts now, just like how could someone ever how could someone ever do something like that? Um, and so that has always been definitely something that's been on my journey. But with this, when I tell you, yeah, God has always got a plan, he's always got a plan, and a lot of the times we don't know what the plan is. And so what ended up happening was Ati, our amazing mastermind facilitator, she sent me a message on Instagram um towards the end of last year, and was just like, hey, like, do you want to jump on a call? You know, I saw that you were interested in writing a book and then and and things, and I was like, Oh, yeah, I am, but instinctually I was like, Yes, I am. You know, that's always been in my head. Um, but what had happened was the group of women that I am in that book with, they had all submitted an actual interest form. And so I am not actually the Ebony that had submitted the interest form, but Ati just was just like, I'm just gonna message Ebony because I know I know Ebony, right? Like, I've been in um some of Ati's courses and things like that, so we had been connected. So she just was just like, Oh, it must be this Ebony because the email didn't make it to the other one. And so when she messaged me, I was like, Yeah, of course I want to. We hop on a call, we chat, and my gut it's an immediate yes, I want to do it, but I still give myself a chance, you know, human design and all. I've gotta take a moment, think about it, let it settle, and all those things. Um, and so it was an immediate yes for me, but looking back at it now, both of us are like, whoa, like it wasn't supposed to be me, yet it really was the whole time. Um, and we we both were just like, that's God. There, there's no other, there's no other explanation why I'm in this group of women.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

That is crazy. And that is like, I oh my god. So I the we could go down an entire rabbit hole of my very checkered relationship with God. It also like, you know, I I've recently like the last year and a half-ish have been working on that proactively. And, you know, I love, I love, love, love, love, love because there's that premise of, you know, life is what happens when you make other plans. And then God has such a sense of humor because he really takes it for real that you make plans. Guess what? I'm gonna take you this way. And we are gonna, you're just gonna, you're gonna deal with it and you're gonna figure it out. And if you resist me, you're gonna keep seeing all of the shit that has been holding you back. And I love, I love that you embraced it. Like I love that you didn't take it and be like, oh, you know what? Actually, that wasn't me. So maybe you should, you know, maybe you should go find her. It was her, it wasn't me, you know. I love because I feel like some people would have done that, you know, they would have been like, no, I I I actually I am, but that wasn't me. So maybe not right now. Like I'm not, I'm not ready for that right now. But I love that you just you just embraced it and you were just like, you know what? Let's go. Yeah, that's awesome. Oh man, yeah, I'm so excited. Like, I am definitely, I know I already signed up for do you guys have each have like separate like launching stuff? Because I know Julie has a link that she had given us for like release updates and stuff. Do you guys each have your own or is it the same information?

SPEAKER_00 33:30

Um if you signed up for that book launch, then yeah, you are in. Once it releases to you guys, you guys will get to read the entire book, which is yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

So I'll definitely make sure to link that again in this one. Um, so that way if they didn't grab it on Julia's episode, so y'all gotta get on this. Y'all gotta get in this book because it is going to be phenomenal. And I'm trying to remember because I know um, I believe I know of at least one or two other people who wrote chapters in that in this in this anthology, but I don't remember off the top of my head, but that's neither here nor there. But either way, the moral of the story is uh once this book comes out in September, you need to go get it and you need to read it and you need to really embrace the fact that even if you think that you don't have a story to tell, you do. You know, people, I feel like so many people kind of get lost in the day-to-day shuffle of like, oh, well, you know, nobody wants to hear about this, or you know, this won't help anybody. But the thing is, like, somebody needs to hear your story. Somebody somewhere needs to hear your story. And even if there is somebody else who has a very similar story who's told it and they've heard it, maybe they need to hear it from somebody who looks like you, somebody who talks like you, somebody who resonates with you in that like one like tiny way that that other person didn't resonate with them on. But yeah, anyway, I could again go down so many tangents and rabbit holes on that, but I am so obsessed. But I do want to bring it back for the last, the last little minute. Um, because this is the Legacy Edit podcast, right? And one of the biggest things for me is really bridging that gap between self-relationships and business and the legacy that we are leaving, because you know the world is a hot mess right now. And I feel I feel like, you know, so many people get caught in the day-to-day shuffle that we don't focus on long-term. They're not focusing on legacy and impact. So when you think about the legacy that you're building, especially as a mom, right? What do you hope, you know, not just people in general, but your children will remember about your work and the impact that you've had?

SPEAKER_00 36:11

Yeah. Oh my goodness. It's funny because even now, like my oldest daughter, like they know I have like a full-time job, right? But even now, just in like the pictures that she draws me for Mother's Day, she made me a card, and on the back, it had like a heart, and it was like me and her, but then it said like cook like a mother. If you know, you know, that's like one of my signature brands, courses, communities, and for her to just see the impact of that already as being more than than my nine to five. No, no, granted, I love my corporate job, but I also you know want them to know that it's okay to go after your dreams, no matter like what they look like, no matter what type of like box people say like you should be in. Um it and yeah, you know, as I get older and you know, I share more with them just about my experiences, like I think that they'll be able to see that, right? Even even now I've I've told my my oldest, I was like, Yeah, mommy at one point was gonna be a computer engineer.

unknown 37:31

Like, what?

SPEAKER_00 37:32

And now here I am cooking for women, um, walking them through their seasons of lives, helping them build self-trust, and them just watching me, it helps them understand like like their life doesn't have to look like what society tells them it should look like. I'm teaching them now, right? That self-trust is really that important to leaning in, even past what mom and dad tell you. Like, what is it that is most important to you and how can I support you in that? Um, and so that's the legacy that I'm building is like you know, breaking kind of that generational cycle of me growing up and not having um, not leaning into that intuition, not um listening to that gut feeling that was telling me, you know, something's not right, or telling me that something yes is right, um understanding like what what that feels like and fully trusting that and not worrying about everything else, all the noise, right? Which I think not I think I know with the world that we're living in, that is becoming so so important with all the noise we already have from social media. Now we add in the noise from AI, just yeah, in just the world in general. I just want my girls to grow up knowing that they can trust like their guts and they can they're learning that just through example from watching me do it.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

Oh, that's so awesome. I love that. I want to um before we close out, I do want to give you an opportunity to share, you know, where they can find you. Um, what if you have any offers going on right now? Um, obviously, I'm gonna put the link for uh for the book in the show notes. So, yeah, so like socials, where they can find you, where do you hang out, what do you want to, you know, share, what offers do you have, all the things.

unknown 39:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

Uh, so you can find me at thrive.empowered on Instagram and TikTok. Um, also weekly, we have the Thrive Like a Mother podcast that uploads every Tuesday. It's Thrive Like a Mother Tuesday. Um, and then website if you're ever in Georgia or if you just want to just stay connected to what I've got going on. Um, all my links are up on Instagram, but also thriveempoweredlc.com. These are where you can get tickets for season conversations and all the events that I'll have coming up.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

I love it. Thank you so much. And I'll have every one of those links and places for you to connect with Ebony in the show notes. But thank you so much, Ebony, for coming on and sharing your story and and sharing yourself with the audience. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 40:33

Thank you for inviting me. This has been the best.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

All right. Well, you guys, until next time. Uh bye. Bye.