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You still come to the place where you have to go, am I gonna trust God or not? You just have to. We're using Christ's lenses to see the world and we say, okay, God, it can be trusted. It's hard stuff.

SPEAKER_00 0:15

All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Year Through the Bible Podcast. My name is Rodney Adams. I'm the executive director at Asbury Church in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I'm with I'm Andrew Forrest.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

I'm the senior pastor at Asbury, and this is the Year Through the Bible Podcast.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

This it is. And we are trudging our way through the Old Testament. We have finished the Torah and then we moved on to the book of Joshua. The um the Israelites, at least in our Old Testament portion, are in the promised land, uh, but things aren't going super great. We've now made it into the book of Judges. And you've said this before. Uh, we'll say it again. Judges is absolutely horrible, uh, vile in a lot of ways, very detailed and graphic in some of the violence. Now, Bible readers, even if you've been reading the Bible with us this year for the first time, you know that not every story is a kid's story. Right. That's that's obvious. But this Judges is really not a kid's story.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Did you ever see the movie Seven? I never saw it with Brad Pitt and Gwyneth Paulcher, right? Yeah. There's like a nasty thing that happens. There's a lot of bad stuff in there.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Really, real bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

Yeah. Well, Judges is not great, but it's the end of Judges. There's a pretty nasty thing that happens, like horror movie type thing. So I it really probably isn't appropriate for children. It's the kind of thing that could actually scare them, I think. Maybe, maybe. Kids always react differently to different things. 17, 18, uh, and 19 are what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Yeah, uh some buddies of mine in our church have told me over the course of this year that they they will read through this, they've been reading through the Bible with their families. Like they're they'll they'll sit down and they've got their eight-year-old, their six-year-old, their ten-year-old sitting there with them, and they'll all kind of read it as a family, which is beautiful. I'm just telling you, you're gonna run into trouble. Um if you've had a hard time with phrases like, and he knew his wife, yeah, you're gonna have a real hard time with judges. And I'm not really joking, just be careful as you're reading through judges.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Yeah, I mean the judges three is violent, but kind of a cool violence, the kind of kids, kind of the gross stuff that kids would be into. Uh and even the Samson story, there's a lot of innuendo there, but it's really the stuff at the end. Yeah, it's pretty wild.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

Well, and and okay, this is maybe a little bit of a pastoral statement on that. Um, my family is this way. We don't watch just everything that's on TV because it's just not appropriate for kids. Um, and I think it is appropriate to read the Bible as it's written, but not everything is age appropriate all the time. That's okay. So you can you can still adopt the same standards that you have for your household when reading through the Bible. Yeah. Um, without feeling like you're you're doing something wrong just because it's the Bible. You want to make sure you read every word. Just be careful. Judge is pretty harsh.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, what's weird about judges, and somebody on our staff asked this question recently, is the actual the name, the noun, the descriptor, the judges. So let's turn to Deborah. So Deborah is a very interesting character in general. She's a female, one of the very rare, obviously female leaders in the Old Testament. Like there's no question she's the power. It is matter-of-factually narrated, too. There's no description or that was really strange to have a woman judging Israel. No, just no problem.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

It's not one of these situations like Mary Magdalene in the New Testament where she's around, has some influence, like she's a part of the circle, but you kind of have to infer that this is she is Deborah is for sure. Yeah, for the the gal. No question.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

So this is 4-4. Now, Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidot, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm of Deborah between Rama and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the people of Israel came up to her for judgment. Here it reminds us of Moses and then Joshua, where like they're there and people come asking for help to adjudicate things, which makes sense. Like, how do what do we do? It's half 51% my property, 49% his property, who gets the property, that type of stuff. Then she does lead the people out to war. But that's unusual. Most of the other so-called judges are more like war chieftains, I think. They're more you kind of get the sense of like almost like a Viking or old English chieftain. It's like Beowulf fighting for his people. So the word is strange, but the word judge is the word judge. So you're saying that's a good translation.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

The judge part is the unusual part. Yeah. In in the book of judges. We would conceive the way that we would think of that.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

In the book of judges, the people labeled judges rarely do judging in like the legal sense. And it is it is not a bad translation. It is what the word means in Hebrew. But they behave like war chieftains, right? Most of them. Ehud does. I love Ehud. He's in the he's chapter three. This is one of those gross stories that kids would think is cool. So this is 312. The people of Israel again did what was evil in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord strengthened Eglon, the king of Moab, against Israel, because they'd done what was evil in the sight of the Lord. He's oppressing the people. Verse 15, they cry out to the Lord, and the Lord raised up for them a deliverer. Ehud, the son of Gerah the Benjaminite, a left-handed man. There's this swashbuckling story where Ehud makes a sword, he binds it on his thigh where he won't be frisked. He goes in, he says, Hey, I have a present for you. And they all leave him, and he goes, This is this is I mean, this is amazing. This is the kids would be into this. Verse 19, chapter three. He said, I have a secret message for you, O king. And the king said, Silence. You get like a job of the hut sense. And all his attendants went out from his presence, and Ehud came to him as he was sitting alone in his cool roof chamber, and Ehud said, I have a message from God for you. And he arose from his seat, and Ehud reached with his left hand, because he's left handed, took the sword from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. And the hilt also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not pull the sword out of his belly, and the dung came out. So he gets him in the intestines. Then Ehud went out into the porch and closed the doors of the roof chamber behind him and locked them. And then I guess Ehud's escapes. They don't know what's going on. And again, this is a little bit uh scatological. Verse 24. When he had gone, the servants came, and when they saw that the doors of the roof chamber were locked, they thought, I guess he's relieving himself in the closet of the cool chamber. And they waited until they were embarrassed. They waited as long as they could, and they were probably saying, You go in, you go in. I don't want to trouble him. But he still did not open the doors of the roof chamber. They took the key and opened them, and there he lay dead on the floor. And Ehud escapes. So that's a violent, uh, very earthy story, but the kids would probably get into that. But he's like a war chieftain, and he fights against Moab and he delivers them. And how about this one? Yeah. Well, here's one verse. This would be a good name for a baby. After him was Shamgar, the son of Anat, who killed 600 of the Philistines with an ox goat. He also saved Israel. You looked up what an ox goat is, and an ox goat is.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

AI and Wikipedia say that it's like an eight to ten foot long kind of um like prod. It's like a cattle prod. It's like a cattle, not the electric kind, but just like a big, it's just a big poker. Woo, move, move. Like 10, you know, whatever you would use to herd. Oxen. Big oxen. Literally oxen. Yeah. But apparently he knew how to use that as a weapon.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

So those guys are like war chieftains. Of nail is another one. He's mentioned earlier. They're like war chieftains. Deborah is both. She's like judging in the old testament sense, giving verdicts, and she's like uh uh the leader, the war leader, and the general works for her. And then the other guys, Samson just kind of does whatever he wants, really. So this is the word that their judges is weird to me.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

I know. Yeah, and we were talking about this before we started recording, but my question is and was or was and is what is the difference between there seems to be a clear difference, definitely in the language, between Moses and Joshua and sort of their position of authority and what God had for them and how they interacted with the people, and then the judges, they're all different. And then we'll see later when we get to 1 Samuel that the people that the Israelites wanted a king. They're like, we don't we don't like the way things are going. We want a king. We want to be like everybody else. Well, what's the difference? What does that what does that mean? Like, what is that's my that's my question.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

And we were saying, to me, I think the difference is there's not a dynasty, there's not a dynasty with the judge. It ends when he dies. That's it. Because Moses very clearly, in fact, Moses' wife and sons are very strange. You know, they're kind of sent away and they never appear again, really. Joshua, no, none of his kids take over. Ehud's, there's no kids, Othniel, Shamgar, these Deborah. There's no dyno, there's no dynastic uh continuation. That might be the main difference, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

And Joshua was not a descendant of Moses. He was his helper or his little buddy, his his kind of helper guy. Yeah. And then Caleb. No, Caleb's not a descendant either. Yeah. Now this But they were connected in the sense that Joshua was helping Moses. Yeah. Where it's here, there's gaps.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

There's like a general.

SPEAKER_00 9:40

It just seems like it there's no real right. There's no real um, there is no line and no real rhyme or reason to who it's just whoever God raises up. Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

The day that Moses dies, Joshua takes over. It's totally clear. Whereas when Joshua dies, nobody takes over.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

So here we go. And Joshua or God prepares Moses to hand the keys to Joshua. Remember, he tells him that. He tells him that. And then he kind of gives a uh be strong and courageous speech, and then Joshua gives it to the people. You know what I mean? Like there's there's such a succession there.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

Also, Joshua, way back in Exodus, uh, Joshua is with Moses on Mount Sinai when they're whoring after the golden calf. So he's like, he's he's a good guy. He's really young, then you get the sense, because he's real kind of naive and innocent. But so he's not even involved in that, and he's totally he's set up to be the successor the whole time, no question. Whereas here, look at this. This is Judges 2, chapter, uh, chapter 2, verse 6. When Joshua dismissed the people, so this is after they Joshua goes, Okay, we've moved into the land, the end of the book of Joshua, beginning of Judges, Joshua, Judges 2, 6. When Joshua dismissed the people, the people of Israel went each to his inheritance to take possession of the land. There are those long passages in Joshua where they divide up the land. And the people served the Lord in the days of Joshua. And actually, the days of the elders who outlived Joshua, that wilderness generation who had seen all the great work, they were faithful then. And Joshua, the son of Nun, the servant of the Lord, died at the age of 110 years, and they buried him, where he was supposed to be buried, at Timnot Heretz, in the hill country of Ephraim, north of the mountain of Ga'ash. And all that generation, they were gathered to their fathers. They died. But there arose another generation after them who did not know the Lord or the work that he had done for Israel. Verse 11. And the people of Israel did what was evil in the sight of the Lord and served the Ba'als, the Baals, the local gods. So, everybody's good in Joshua's day. He dies. There's no there's no successor set up.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

Well, look at verse 16. Then the Lord raised up judges who saved them out of the hand of those who plundered them. So there's very there's a little job description right there. They were kind of military-ish chieftain type type folks. Yet they did not listen to their judges, for they hoard after other gods and bowed down to them. They soon turned aside from the way in which their fathers had walked, who had obeyed the commandments of the Lord, and they did not do so. So to me that's interesting because maybe this will get us a little further down the road in this topic. This entire So, this entire narrative that's going to lead all the way to the kings is this cycle of um a leader is ra is raised up, the people sort of follow them, they may repent or something like that. They realize the error of their previous ways, and then they descend back down into it gets worse and worse. And it's almost like it's a split the spiral is not static, but it it like spirals downward. Yeah. It's like they still they repent, but then they t they go one step forward and two steps back.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

Yeah, and that's even laid out in chapter two. Then the Lord, this is verse sixteen, then the Lord raised up judges who saved them out of the hand of those who plundered them, like you just read. Yeah, they didn't listen to their judges, for they whored after other gods and bowed down to them. They soon turned aside from the way in which their fathers had walked, who obeyed the commands of the Lord, and they didn't do so. Okay, here we go. Whenever the Lord raised up judges for them, verse 18, chapter 2, the Lord is with the judge, and he saved them from the hand of their enemies. The Lord was moved to pity because of their groaning and because of those who afflicted and oppressed them. But, verse 19, whenever the judge died, they turned back and were more corrupt than their fathers, going after other gods, serving them and bowing down to them. They did not drop any of their practices or their stubborn ways. And that's that's the entire plot. So, one of the things that's really true in life in education is that the good teacher makes this topic for you. I don't know if you had any good teachers when you were like in high school or something, but if you did, you probably loved the topic they taught, even if it wasn't in your natural kind of giftings, you know. And the ones you don't have, you miss it. So I like, I never, I never learned chemistry. I had chemistry, I took chemistry, I never learned it, I never understood chemistry because I had bad teachers of it. And I bet I probably could have maybe been interested in it if somebody explained to me, look how God put the world together. So when I read Lord of the Flies in high school, did you or middle school, did you read Lord of the Flies? Uh later, but yeah. Yeah. So I didn't understand it. To me, it's like the it's a it's like it's like the book of Judges, by the way. And there's that, you know, they they're so cruel and they end up skewering Piggy, right? They break his glasses and they literally skewer him. And then the the final scene is the boys like they've got like war paint on and they're like become savages. And I thought, what a nasty book. I don't like this book. Well, the whole point of William Golding's novel is to explain that mankind left to its desire devices is a vile, violent people. Yeah. I don't know self-governance is is a problem. Yes, yeah, and I don't know his religious position, but that's absolutely a Christian point of view that humanity rebels against God and is given over to its Paul says in Romans 1 that he's given over.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

Okay. That's that's that's Paul's definition of God's wrath. Right. Is his wrath is just giving people over to themselves, basically removing his hand from them and letting them just have at it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

So if I had a teacher who just said to me when I was 15, what I just said about what I've been like, oh my gosh, that's so profound. And then think of like the follow-on, like um American Republican constitutional ideas, James Madison and all these things. I didn't I didn't know that. I had to learn that later. Well, that's kind of the plot of the book of Judges, is that when God removes his hand, they become really almost worse than the Canaanites that they're with. They become vile because they have the law of the Lord and they have the stories of what God did for their forebearers and they don't care. And as the judges get on, they they do more and more vile stuff, really bad stuff to each other and to other people.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

So maybe So it's a tragedy, really. It is a tragedy, and um so maybe then, and we'll get to this in 1 Samuel and I'll look into it more and we can talk about it later, too. But maybe their request for a king is not the worst thing in the world. I mean, nobody seems to be listening to these judges. They seem to follow them when they need to be delivered from an enemy, but they don't seem to have any real governing authority. No.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Or lasting. Or la I mean you get the sense. So, like with let's go back to um Ehud. His is maybe the best one. Verse 30, chapter 3. So Ehud fights off Moab. Verse 30, chapter 3. Moab was subdued that day under the hand of Israel, and the land had rest for 80 years. So you kind of get the sense there's like a long, long 80 years is a long time where it's kind of goes okay. So the judges, they have they do have influence, but it's a short last lived influence, even when it's as long as 80 years, a couple generations, it doesn't work anymore.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Yeah. Just to maybe package this, and we can keep talking about some of the things that you've learned or read, but just to package this, we finished so we finished the Torah. So Deuteronomy is the last book of the Torah. That's like its own, its own self-contained um part of the Bible. It's different than all the other parts of the Bible. But then I don't know if you've read this, I think Joshua through 2 Kings is kind of its own, its own part of the Bible. In fact, there's they've we have recently and then the last you know a couple hundred years or something, actually found that entire thing, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Yeah, and in fact, so you know what they call it in the Bible, in the he in the Jews, they call it the prophets. They call Joshua through the historical books the former prophets, and then they call the other ones the latter prophets. So Joshua is considered a prophetic book. Judges is a prophetic book. Ruth is not included there, by the way. Ruth is later is stuck in a different place. Isn't that wild? It is wild.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

So then when you hear in the New Testament or whenever you hear them say the law and the prophets, what they're talking about is the Torah and then everything else, basically. Yeah. Or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

There's three sections in the in the Jewish here, turn to Luke 24. Jesus references them all, I believe, there. We looked at this a few weeks ago, actually. Uh Jesus references them all, Luke 24. He uses a slightly different word. So they talk about the Torah or the law of Moses, the prophets, and the writings. And the writings are kind of a catch-all term that everything goes into that's not part of the prophets. Okay. And now here in Luke 24, 44, Jesus talks about the law of Moses, the prophets, and the Psalms. And there he the Psalms, he means that like the Psalms section. Psalms are in the writings. Our English Bibles don't follow that formula. So this might help somebody. When we read the Bible, we read 1 and 2 Kings, and then in our English Bibles, we have 1 and 2nd Chronicles, and they they're kind of identical, and you read it and you don't know why. In the Hebrew Bible, the Chronicles is at the very end. Chronicles is part of the writings. It's a theological reflection on their history. That's why it's kind of repetitive, but every now and then it's different, because it's like from a later period they're looking back on their history. So it makes it makes more sense. The way our Bibles have arranged don't make quite as much sense to having kings and chronicles next to each other.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

So if we were to read the chronological Bible, would we read them in a different order or do they come around the same time? They're just have a different purpose. I think we'd read them in a different order. I think. I think. Okay. Yeah. So what I have found interesting about Judges, and maybe this is a time to get to one of our questions here. This is Jessica's question. Okay. And I'm kind of scrolling in a weird way, so let's try to get through this. As I'm reading through the book of Joshua, I've been trying to better understand some of the conquest passages. In Joshua 11, where it talks about not leaving any who breathed, and in Joshua 10, with the defeated kings being executed and hung on trees, is that meant to be understood as completely literal, including potentially innocent women and children? I want to read these passages in a way that aligns with God's justice and love. I've found them a bit challenging to fully process. Okay. Now we've talked about conquest now for two episodes at least. You've talked about it in other uh forums. I don't think we can probably hit this too much because people keep having questions about it. And that's okay. Part of it is because no matter how many times you say it on a podcast or from a pulpit, um we are just going to have trouble in our 2026 minds reading reading the Old Testament through the lens of God's justice and love that we know post-Jesus and that we've sort of adopted. Okay. Um I want you to maybe address that question directly, but then I want to talk a little bit about the results after the conquest and what happens when the things God said to do, whether literally or not literally, didn't happen. Yeah. And kind of how that plays out.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

So maybe Jessica's referring to Joshua 11 14. And all the spoil of these cities and the livestock the people of Israel took for their plunder, but every person they struck with the edge of the sword until they had destroyed them, and they did not leave any who breathed. So that sounds like they had took no quarter. And so her question is a beautiful question, which is, well, is that literally the case? Is it rhetorical? I think it leans more toward the rhetorical for reasons we discussed in a podcast episode a few weeks ago, and I'll talk about it more at an all-church Bible study in May. But one of the things that we get to is that if they had actually devoted everybody to destruction, then there wouldn't be all the Canaanites in the land that they're fighting in the book of Judges. So uh it doesn't seem like they actually do it all the way. So it's more rhetorical than not, I think, is what's going on there.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

Well, and maybe it's both. You know, when you think about when you think about the horrible um scenes and stories that we know from like the Vietnam War or different, different, um, even in recent history, different wars, where there might be one village or one one particular outpost of people that was completely a massacre, yeah. Wiped out. But to your point, clearly, clearly it wasn't literally true that every single person in that people group in that entire area was wiped out because they're still around. Right. In fact, there's a lot of them around in the book of Judges.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

In fact, there's so many of them around that they have dominion over the people of Israel.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

They needed judges to protect them from them. Yeah. So, and this this to me is what brings up a really interesting point. So, when when you're reading the Bible from the beginning and you kind of get to Joshua, and you read the first chapters of the conquests, you start to run into trouble. Like, why would God do this? How could God do this? But now we're seeing the results of what happens when they don't do this, right? So God was chiefly concerned with exactly what happened in Judges, which is they began to, in their words, whore after other gods. They continue not only do they continue to worship these foreign gods, it gets worse and worse and worse and worse and worse over the course of, and the people themselves live in worse and worse and worse misery. So I guess that then begs the question: was God right or was God wrong to to ask them to drive all these groups out of the promised land, including their gods, when giving them the promised land?

SPEAKER_01 24:23

Yeah, and uh life is very complicated, and I I don't pretend to know. And I think I think I can I I can I raise I think what might be the concern under these questions, which is maybe maybe we're troubled by the fact that they're if God said do this. We might be, and that's okay. But I wonder if often we're more troubled by the idea of people who follow afterwards assuming divine authority to kill their enemies completely, right? And we and we see weird stuff happen throughout history that people claim that. And that troubles us a lot too. And the second thing is a little bit easier to address than the first thing. Whether I mean, we we said a few weeks ago God has the right, God owns life, and he can do what he wants with it. Okay. So we don't like the idea of maybe God saying, show no quarter, but if that's what had to happen and there's larger things at stake, maybe there's some demonic evil going on. We talked about that. But the second issue, which is can then we come along afterwards and claim divine authority to put all our enemies to death? The answer very clearly, unequivocally, is no. Because we ourselves are also under God's judgment. We are not righteous or holy. In fact, and it neither is Israel as it goes on. So I just want to make sure that people don't think that somehow the Bible is sanctioning later religious people to commit atrocities and then cover it up with God's name. I know people do that, but they're gonna face God's judgment for doing that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

Yeah, and maybe another thing that is underneath it is just in our we at face value, these are people. We don't live, we live in a very different time and place in 2026 United States than these people lived. So for us, our our general thinking, which is not wrong at all, is that any human is made in the image of God and worthy of dignity and respect, and and therefore it's a challenge for us to see that God would command a human to kill another human like that. He now is picking sides almost. And that kind of that just messes with our modern sweet church people brains a little bit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

And and rightly so. This will not be the final word on this, but let me just offer another thought, and that is it's okay to be troubled by this. There's a lot more going on than just the simple thing. We talked about some of this in that podcast. I'll talk about it somewhere in an all-church Bible study. But even at the end of that, you still come to the place where you have to go, am I going to trust God or not? You just have to. And that sounds flippant when we're talking about Joshua, but Rodney, that's exactly how all of life works. Innocent people are harmed all the time. And I have to kind of go, God, you must be up to something because I don't understand it. And then, but it's not a blind faith because we have the we have the example of Christ on the cross who is innocent and he's suffering for the guilty. So it's not a blind faith. We're using Christ's lenses to see the world, and we say, Okay, God, it can be trusted. It's hard stuff. Good, good question.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Great question. It is hard. So I think we could probably wrap up there. I don't know if you have more to say on judges. No. Um other than just it's a tragedy.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

And don't expect it to have very many heroes in it.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

Yeah. There are not a lot of heroes. What I will say is, as we mentioned before, Joshua through 2 Kings is kind of a a new package of scripture to work our way through. And this is gonna start moving kind of quickly. Yeah. So we just started Judges. We're going to end Judges next week, and then we spend a day or two on Ruth, which is kind of a different thing. And then we're in 1 Samuel, where we're gonna start meeting, we're gonna meet a new thing, we're gonna meet a new king. And very quickly after that, David is gonna come on the scene. So there's a lot is gonna happen in the next two to three weeks that's gonna be difficult for us to cover, but but but that's the narrative that's happening so far.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Yeah, and first and second Samuel slow pretty slow down in terms of the number of years that they cover is pretty short because it's just Samuel, Saul, and David. And then first and second Kings cover like hundreds, literally hundreds of years, like quick, quick, quick.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

But but uh I think I'm right about this. I feel this way. First and second Samuel are way easier to read as a narrative. I agree. Like you can kind of keep it keep up with the characters, and it sort of explains the what the characters are thinking and what it's a it's masterful. It is great and it changes. It's not like judges where it's just like, who are these people? This guy came out of nowhere, and now all these people are dying. It's not really like that.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

You guys it's amazing. Settles into a narrative. Yeah, it's amazing. You know what we're gonna have to do with all this stuff? The Bible is so awesome, it's great, but I mean, we're still only in first Samuel and 2 Samuel, a pretty short period, like less than a month overall, right? About about about that, about a month. I think so. We need to come back and spend six months in first and second Samuel, which we'll talk about in a future episode. It's great.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

All right. Well, that's enough for today. Um, this has been the Year Through the Bible podcast. My name is Rodney Adams. I'm Andrew Forrest. Keep going, everybody. Don't give up. Yep, get on year through the Bible.com and ask us your questions. We'll try to get to them on the show. If not, someone may reach out to you with a little bit of an answer uh via email. Until then, we'll see you next time.