Why Are You Staying in Toxic Situations? | Paul Newell

Bounce Back in Business & Life — Episode 25

Why do so many of us stay stuck in toxic relationships, workplaces, and patterns—long after we know they’re costing us our peace and our health?

In Episode 25, Frank Zaccari sits down with Paul Newell, men’s wellness mentor, facilitator, and author of Heal Thy Man—a practical guide for men ready to move from survival mode into self-awareness, emotional regulation, and embodied leadership.

You’ll hear a real conversation about:

• The conditioning many men grow up with (“provider/protector… stay silent… keep the peace”)
• Why anger is often a cover for deeper emotions
• How burnout is “years of internal residue we were never taught to process”
• Practical tools to identify triggers, rewrite your story, and choose contentment over chasing “happiness”

Connect with Paul Newell:

• Website: healthymanMethod.com
• Instagram: @heal.thy.man method
• Facebook: Paul Randolph Newell
• Men’s circle (bi-weekly): The Arena — a hybrid connection circle + mastermind

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Have you ever felt stuck in pain, loss, or failure? Wondering how to rise when life knocks you down again. Then Bounce Back is for you. So gather your resilience, hold tight to hope, and get ready to reimagine what's possible in your life. So here's your host, Frank Sakari.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Welcome to Bounce Back in Business and Life. Let me ask you a few questions here. Why do we stay in toxic situations? Here's three questions mainly from men. Were you conditioned that you're just supposed to be the provider and the protector? Did you hear that growing up? Are you constantly exhausted? Do you stay silent, hoping, hoping to keep the peace at work and at home? So many men are conditioned that if your professional life is thriving, everything else falls into place. This is the biggest single lie we were ever told. One side is struggling, it will impact the other. My guest today, Paul Newell, and he's a men's wellness mentor. He's a facilitator, he's the author of the book, Heal Thy Man, which is a practical guide for men ready to move out of survival mode and into self-awareness, emotional regulation, and embodied leadership. You're gonna love listening to Paul. Paul, welcome to Bounce Back in Business and Life.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

Frank, Frank, got me fired up on the intro, man. Ooh, ready to have a good combo. Thanks for having me, man. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

We spoke before. Share with it, share with the audience around the world some of the highs and lows of the journey. Well, how you got to where you are.

SPEAKER_02 1:42

Man, well, especially we're talking about toxic situations. How I got to where I am right now really all kicked off when I decided to get a divorce. And uh man, it was uh it was a trip, man. I grew up in a uh suburban town in New Jersey, uh predominantly white town, uh, son of immigrant parents, parents from Jamaica. So growing up, I had uh, and I also grew up as a Jehovah's Witness. So I had a lot of structure in my life. Uh I realized now I was doing a lot of people pleasing, um uh living by different stories, living by other other people's uh rules and regulations. And it had an impact on me where I was living a life that I thought I was supposed to live. And when I decided to, I made the choice to get a divorce, that's when everything really shifted for me. And it was just a it was just the crack of of the of the journey that where that started. And it really came to a a bigger halt when I got a double hip replacement surgery almost six years ago, man. And I realized even though I made that choice to leave a toxic situation, it also took years of stripping away the conditioning of who I thought I was and what's what would what's happiness and what life is supposed to be like and marriage is supposed to be like, all these things. And when I took all that time to strip away, I realized I was still holding a lot of things inside, which manifested in physical pain and breakdown. That's why you know that's that's why I'm a part cyborg right now, Frank. So um, so it's all led me to this place right now where I've taken the lessons I've I've had over the years and and put them out in a way through programming, through the book, um, through group facilitations to support men and finding their path, finding what aligns to them, and really finding a contentment and fulfillment in life that no one really teaches us how to achieve.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

You uh we all know, everyone knows this. Men have trouble with emotions, expressing them. And the emotion that comes out most often is anger, but it's not really anger. And you talk about and you wrote about emotional regulation. Expand on that.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

Well, yeah, I I I started calling, I started looking more into the regulation because I realized that the intelligence is really just the first step. Everybody talks about the emotional intelligence, being awareness of okay, well, hey, I'm up, I'm this, I'm this. The regulation is how am I able to be in that and move into something else or transmute that? Because really what I found over the years as I was doing my own work, whether it was within my iGroups through the Mankind projects or with my buddies or with therapy, uh, I had to learn that I have to do something with these emotions because if I keep staying in this place of I'm angry, I'm angry, I'm really angry. And I had like I got some I got some anger issues, man. Uh, you know, listen, it's what it is right now, right? So it's like things that I work on. So I've had to learn, like, okay, when I get angry, what is it really? And that's the regulation. The regulation is looking behind what the emotion is and also acknowledging I'm experiencing this rather than I am this.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

Exactly, exactly. It's it's a it's a set of triggers, it's almost like a PTSD, correct? Because we've been yes, we've been uh brained that you're supposed to act this way, and this trigger occurs, and then it's realizing it's a trigger, correct?

SPEAKER_02 5:07

That's correct, that's correct, and and that's part of getting to know self. I'm a bit I'm a fan of getting to know oneself because then as within, so without. So that means whatever's going on inside is most likely going to manifest and it's gonna show up in my outside world. So by me knowing what's going on inside, I'll have a better understanding of how a lot of things are happening in my life.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Number of times in my life, and again, because men's only uh emotion usually is anger, but it's also leads more to burnout. And I love this thing that you wrote. You said burnout is years of internal residue we were never taught how to process. So, how do you help men in your program identify these patterns before hitting burnout?

SPEAKER_02 5:51

It's looking at stories, stories and patterns. So, first looking at the stories, I found that we're working with men and even working with men as far as whether it's in group facilitation, in programming, mentorships, there's a lot that's that comes out when they share their story. So I have these exercises like share your story about love or life or loss. And what I'll do is I'll have them write it in the first person, like I, I, I, and then switch it, write it in the third person. So say their name, replace the their name with I, read it, and then start to have them look at like how would you change the story? That's the base layer. And why I say that is because that helps identify the patterns, and that also helps identify that the triggers, the activators. Like, what are the things in life like that you may have experienced in your story about love that now, oh wow, well, you said this about this has happened in past relationships, correct? Like that's what you learned, right? That's what you you that's what you caught, my guy. So it's being able to have them first like look at um look at their situation. And then the second piece is when I have them, well, actually, within the story activity, Frank, is getting them to become the observer of their situation rather than the participant. So it's when it comes to emotional regulation, when I'm in it, and it's something that happens when I when I lose it too. I mean, listen, I'm I'm I'm teaching this. I want everybody, listen, be free, understand. Please understand, I am human, right? So I'll still get, I'll still slip and slide into those places and I get to understand, like, okay, well, what what happened there? Right. And I gotta step outside of the situation because if I'm in it, I'm in my story. But I mean, like, well, if this, and then in my story, I'm a victim.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Right. When I could when I could step outside of it and I can look at myself as a third person, I'm like, ooh. And then it also gives me the opportunity to see a possibility of what could be happening on the other side that I may not see if I'm in it. You know, listen, that's that's the way long term, right? To to help them to address their emotions and the anger. Short term, I have different techniques, like the smash technique, I call it, which is stress management and self-healing. So I have them take a bottle and smash it against a wall. You know, listen, it's and whenever I tell people that, they're like, that's so crazy. But you know, if you think about it, the sound and the ability to break something does something for people. Because, first of all, if they grew up from a violent background, it could shatter, it could activate it, it could jolt them, right? Even if and if they didn't, still just the jolt of it shocks them out of their way of being. It gives them a reset. Like, whoa, what the heck? I mean, when I've done it with people, I've done it with, I've done it with men and women, I've seen some some men cry right afterwards. I know that happened for me. I was I broke some bottles, I yelled, and I just started crying. I was like, I mean, like Frank, it was not bubbles and all, man. I was like, what the heck? Like, what's going on here? But that was the that was part of what I was holding, man. Right? So, like when I'm teaching men about their emotions, part of this is like, okay, how do we regulate it and how do we identify it? So, what is this piece here? What could be the and then what could be the root of it? Let's address that thing, and you know, the and and a lot of things come out from there, man. A lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

I love the fact you touched on stress because we all know, and even the medical world is reporting on this, that stress is one of the leading causes of chronic ailments and injuries, yes, illnesses, like your like your hip replacements. Talk about talk about the impact on stress and how do you address that?

SPEAKER_02 9:37

So it's interesting, man, because I was thinking about like what our in our conversation prior, and and I was thinking about the stress that that situation caused. Because, like, just just so the audience knows, I started experiencing hip discomfort, I would say, in my early 30s, uh, uh, maybe even late 20s. But I was like, after I squat, one side would be usually sore. Went to chiropractor, said you got some arthritis. But over the years, it just continued to get worse and worse. And I just put it to the side, Frank. I was like, shut up, body, shut up, just keep keep moving, keep freaking moving, man. Stop, shut up. All that pain and crying, right? So I was like, I would force my body along. I wasn't paying attention. I was putting additional stress on it without really taking care of it or being aware of like what could be possibly happening. So it got to the point where I started, uh, like I had a I had a business, uh, had a couple businesses and they didn't work out. So I got back on my feet by taking a full-time job as a personal trainer. And that's when my hip was getting real bad. And fortunately, COVID happened, so I got a chance to see the surgeon. Now, when I went to see the surgeon, the guy walks in and he's like, How the how the F did you walk in here, man? And I'm like, nice to meet you too, dude. He's like, Oh, my name is Dr. Such and Such. He's like, No, but seriously, how did you walk in here? I was like, Well, my two feet, my legs. He was like, You have the hips of a 90-year-old Olympian. He was like, I couldn't believe it when I saw your age. He was like, What happened to you? And I was like, damn, man, that's a loaded question, bro. I was like, when I when he showed me the x-ray, Frank, he was like, You're bone on bone and calcified. He was like, I'm surprised you're even walking. And as soon as Frank, I swear to goodness, as soon as he said that, it's like I walked out of there like almost crippled. It's like my body was like, Finally, somebody acknowledged I'm freaking in pain. God, I've been trying to tell this kid. You know what I mean, Frank? So, um, so when the guy told show me, he was like, We got to replace your hips. And I was like, and I said, Okay. And I was just thinking it was just my left, right? He goes, Okay, so after we do your left and it rehabs, then we'll do the right. And I was like, wait, what? He was like, You don't understand. He was like, We have to replace both. He was like, It makes no sense. I was like, Well, can we do both at the same time? Right now, fortunately, I'm in shape, right? So I was like, he was like, Okay, he's like, Listen, you gotta carry your blood pressure, but I'll do it. And we did it, man. So bruh, it was it was a chance to relearn how to walk, sense things, learn about taking my time, and learn about listening to my body. Because the thing that I recognize, and I continue to learn this lesson, is when I fail to acknowledge and find a way to ease the stress of my body. Now, when I say body, I'm talking about yes, my physical body, but the things that are happening internally, my kidneys, my liver, my colon, all these things, guys. We don't for majority of the time men fail to think about. I'm and I'm one of them. Thank goodness for my sister Liz, because she was on my behind like wet on rice for me to get my colonoscopy because my brother had colon cancer, especially when he was dealing with a lot of stress. I got high blood pressure. My one of my brothers has a kidney transplant. Actually, two of my brothers have kidney transplants. My mom died of heart disease because we failed to understand how to process. And even sometimes our body may not know how to process it, which is why we need to do things to relieve the stress, whether it's fasting, supplementation, whatever it is. I think it's important that we that we do address how we hold it and how we express it, man. Very key.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

Absolutely. Absolutely. When we spoke before, we talked a little bit about the difference between happiness and people would say, I'm unhappy, which is causing the stress. And you said to me, happiness is fleeting. Talk about that.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

Yeah, I'm so happy. Yeah, I'm so happy you brought that up. Because I really I believe happiness is like a con, man, because it is it's dependent on something. When I'm content, I'm present and engaged and gratitude, grateful for what I got right here. What I got right here, that means like whatever I got, I'm gonna make it work. If I'm happy, it's like, oh, the Knicks won a championship. Hope I didn't jinx anything. Like, oh, hey, you know what? I haven't heard I haven't heard from my kid in seven months. Now, I can go up and down with that. And the thing is, especially for a person that may not have that emotional regulation, that could be disastrous, man, because that could end up coming out in a whole lot of different ways. When I can be content, okay, what I got right now. All right, yeah, could things be better? Yeah, things could be a hell of a lot worse, though. It's one of the reasons when people are like, hey, how you doing? I'm even. They're like, What? I'm like, yeah, I'm even. They're like, what is that? I'm like, hey, listen, there's some good stuff in life, there's some doo-doo stuff in life right now. I'm in the middle, chilling. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, I think, I think there if there's a lot of the a lot of the states that we're in, Frank, is because of conditioning, in my view, because we get taught and and and bombarded with messaging about hey, uh, you know what? Get this and be happy. It's got this feature, you don't have to reverse yourself, it's got the automatic seat holder. You know what? Get this color, it's the newest thing. It's like there's this constant push for something else to be happy, and we keep chasing, chasing, chasing to the point that we burn out, and like we're just happy to be alive.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Yep, happy to be alive. I understand. I had uh uh we went through counseling in my divorce, and I was angry, I'm happy. And and she said she knew I had played baseball through college, and she said, Frank, happiness is fleeting. Same words you did, and she said, When you went four for four in a game, are you happy? And I said, Yeah, she says the next day you struck out three times. Are you happy then? And I said, No. She goes, Well, did you want to still play baseball? I said, Okay, point made. It's it's a more of a state of mind, as you it's a state of mind. Uh, and I like you when you talk about being content and fulfilled, yes, as opposed to deliriously happy.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

Yeah, it's it's it's too far on one side of the spectrum, man. It's like uh there's a principle called the Hermetic Principles, and there's one of the principles about the law of polarity. Everything is on one pole, it's just basically a spectrum, right? So if I'm always over here, just based on the law of life rhythm, I'm gonna come back the other way on the same side, on the on the opposite side. So if I'm super happy up here, I'm I could be super low. And I man, frank, I lived that before when I was married and had the ha ha hee he mask on and would drink my face off to feel something and to help myself get through. That was like that was when my I was at my lowest when I was acting like I was at this high. And that's when I started like, especially when drinking came into play. I was like, I'm playing with fire here, man, because drinking would help me mask it. You know, Frank? I'll be like, Oh, people please like I'm I'm shucking and jiving, I'm dancing, ha ha ha. And then, like, I'm like, after work, I'd be like, Man, you know, man, hit me with those old fashions, don't stop until I say no three times. You know that like it was bad, man, but that's how I got through.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

No good. We've uh a lot of us have been there. I heard you say uh in you were being uh in an interview with my with our friend Candace Snyder. And she you said to her, We all know about female intuition, but there's male intuition too.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

Explain that.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

Yeah, we all have it's a mental faculty, right? It's a mental faculty of intuition. We all have it. I think again, part of programming is that you know, oh well, women's intuition, they just know. And men have the same thing. The thing is, is we fail to tune into it. So we we like, oh well, it's like a gut feeling, it's a vibe. A friend of mine calls it the spidey senses. I got some spidey sense. Being able to at least label it because there's an intuition that we have. I think it's a different kind of intuition to get more specific. I think it's an intuition around um danger and protection. I think there's an intuition around what's going to be the best order long-term, structural, like structural capacity. Like there's something within us that's intuitively aligned to that. Whereas women may have more attuned to like what are the vibrations and frequencies and all these types of things that are labeled in, like, hey, how do we how do they nurture and they know about this? Like those are all frequencies, right? Like those are all vibrations that women I think are more attuned to than men, but while men can still be attuned to those frequencies too, though, you know? So that's that's where that's where I really get into that. And I I really probably I would say, yeah, last year uh I was preparing for a keynote about mental health. And I was doing um like reading a lot a lot of these studies, and and there was one of the studies that was dealing with men's work and men's men's mental health that talked about men being on purpose and really using their mind. And I found a video, I think it was I think it was Bob Proctor where he talked about the six mental faculties. I thought that that's that it was brilliant because he brought it from a like a factual place, which I think resonates better with men. This facts over feelings. Like, okay, how do we tune into intuition? Like, if you were to just sit in silence for five minutes, what's something that's that's your urge to do? Okay, practice doing it, see what happens. Because it's all reps, right? We can say as much as we want to say in theory, Frank. And until we do something, it means absolutely nothing. It's just a theory, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:57

That's right. That's that's the difference between a wish and something actually occurring is action. That's correct.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

That's correct, yes. Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Wow, wow, wow. Now you have four habits that you write about in transforming life. Tell us a little bit about how that came about.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

The four habits. Oh, like the four agreements, yes, yeah, four agreements. So that came about when I was studying yoga. I was reading, I I got in line with Dami Gil Ruiz around that time. Yep, and it was like the biggest thing for me was like, don't take things personally and also always do your best. I for some reason I always thought that always do your best was like a cop out. It was like such bullshit, such bullshit, always do your best. I mean, that's a mentality I had, right? And I would use that as like, oh, I did my best. Like, no, I didn't. So when I really learned about that, and it was like, no, you know, your body's gonna be different every day. Are you going to what is your best effort? What's your best intentional effort, which isn't always physical effort. When I started, when I really started diving into that and then don't take things personally, and then be impeccable with your word, I was like, dang, I always forget the third one. There's always one I forget. But I'm like, yeah, it's so crazy, it's so interesting. And that's usually probably the one I have to work on. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna look that up at some point. Uh, but like the four agreements were very helpful for me. The seven spiritual laws of success were very helpful for me. And then also when I got into Hermeticism, and really like it's it's a book called The Kabalian. It really helped me to begin to see things in a very different way. Uh, it was like that, like, for example, all is mine, the law of correspondence, the law of rhythm, uh, the law of gender. There's some different laws that are universal, and they've been around for time for tons of timelines. But those are the types of things that really helped me to use the mental faculty of perspective and also imagine. Imagination. Like these brought up a perspective. Like, for example, from medicism, when it talks about all is mine, when I started really diving into it, like initiating myself into it, like one of the activities is to watch your thoughts. Watch your thoughts. Can you watch your thoughts without getting attached to one? If you get attached to one, you start over, right? And that's and that's one phase. Next phase, okay, can you stay on one thought for five minutes? As soon as you get off it, start over, right? And even now, this practice, I have a practice right now of will. So this thing I practice several times a week. So I'll light a candle and I'll look at it and I'm like, I'll look at it for a certain period of time. I'm up to like a, I think I'm up to a minute and 48 seconds of just looking at the candle without looking off at something else. So these are the types of things, man, like have really helped me. And these are the types of things I teach men, not saying they have to do all these different things, but as I work with men, it's finding out what works for you. Because I think that's like that's at the crux, that's at the heart of what I do, man. It's not about you take you doing this program that I do or you doing exactly what I do because that's unsustainable. You're not me. Okay. And I'm not you. So what does it look like for you to have some sort of programming, some sort of way to release some sort of so like your friend group, how you find it? Like, what does all that look like for you outside of the conditioning? What does it look like for you to do these things and it's aligned to you? That's the fulfillment and the contentment, man. When a guy gets that, it's it's a real good look, man. It's a real good look. Outstanding. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 23:36

You've caught you've accomplished a lot of many, many things. Thank you. Which is the one that you're proudest of that makes you the most proud of the book.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

Oh, hands down, the book. Um, I I say, I see, is that right? It's a combo, actually. Now that I think about it, graduating college and writing my book. Two of the things, like, yeah, I still like it. It's crazy because both of those accomplishments I got difficulty acknowledging. Like, I don't put up my degree, like, yeah, I don't like, you know, I like I have to force myself to advertise and market for my book, man. Like, you know, it's like it's like, oh yeah, I did do that. Like, oh my God, and my face is on it too. Like, that's uncomfortable, you know. But like those two things really um, like I had to dig into my soul to finish them. And I had soulful, seen and unseen support on the way, man, for both of them, man. It was powerful, man.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Outstanding, and sometimes I was told in my counseling you didn't you didn't believe you could get there for a long time. Yeah, I didn't think I was in the military before I finished school. Can I do it? I've written nine books. I thought people who knew me growing up have said you you'll never write a book. So it's something that weighed on us while we got through it, yes, and while we should be gonna not be and brag brag about it or or being obnoxious, acknowledge it.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

Yes, what I did. Yes, I'm curious, I'm curious, because especially you got nine books, man. What like especially and looking back looking back on the first one, what was the what was the greatest sense you had about completing it?

SPEAKER_01 25:26

It was completing it, that was what it was, was getting it done. Because I had never I'd written business plans, I was a corporate CEO and all that kind of stuff, right? So I did all that. Yeah. Taking after after my wife left, and we're in counseling, and the counselor kept saying, Journalists, journalists. And I went, No, I'm living it, I don't want to write it. And then one of my two young daughters, and the two one of them said, Dad, do it, because if it helps somebody, it'll be worth it. So I just started stream of consciousness, no plan, no format, no training, just writing stuff down as it came into my head at 2 a.m. or whatever, and then slowly starting to put it into well, this might make sense, and this might make sense. And so I was getting it done, having a book, and I didn't know how to market the book then. Now I know how to do that. Yeah, getting the book and having it in my hand and saying, Look, here's my name. I wrote this. See, isn't this cool?

SPEAKER_02 26:21

That's right, that's right. Yeah, we work, I'm working with you too on that piece. That's the best stuff. I was I was so giddy, man, because I know as you're as you were talking, it it your energy was infectious, man. I was like, I know it's something, man, because looking back on the experience, like, man, everything that went into it, and your stuff, your story was very similar to mine. It all started with journaling some stuff, and like looking back, I'm like, dang, there was a theme here. I'm gonna go back and do this. Oh, that's how it helped. And just dictating the book, like like speaking it and then going back, revising it, and man, what an experience, man!

SPEAKER_01 26:58

What an experience. It's it's something to get done. Not many people can actually do it. True. Uh, it's important. So, how do people get a hold of you? Because there are people are gonna want to touch base with you.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

Oh, yeah. So um, you can go to heal thymanmethod.com. Uh, you can also go on Instagram at heal.heal dot thy dot man method. Uh, I'm on Facebook, Paul Randolph Newell. And I'm I'm out here, man. Like, there's a uh uh circle that I host every other week for men. It's called the arena. And uh I know like look, there's a lot of men's healing circles out there, but this is this is something different. This is a hybrid uh a men's connection circle and a mastermind. So it's getting men to look at the battles that they face in life, look at the tools that they have access to, look at the tools they resist, and come with one action step to move forward, man, to move forward and to win your battle. And it's been beautiful. So, like they can find me there, uh, they can find me on an All Kings weekend. Uh, but best of all, check to me, check with me on the website or on Instagram. And I have a school community too that I'm revising specifically for people, men and women that want to contribute to a heartful community of purpose-driven men. So I'm excited, I'm very excited about that piece as well.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Standing. Yeah. As I said, my friend, we're just about out of time. I'm gonna thank my guest, Paul Newell, again. He showed us we're not here just to survive, we're here to live a fulfilling and content life. Well, let me leave you with this. None of us are in this alone. And the secret to walking on water is to know where the rocks are. Paul showed us where many of those rocks are today. And together, in this podcast, through this podcast, we'll find more of these rocks and we'll bounce back better than ever. Share this message with a friend, subscribe, and I'll see you next week. Paul, thank you again.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

Uh Frank, thank you. You're welcome, and thank you for having me, man. Appreciate this time.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

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