War in Iran, Tiger and Birthplace Citizenship

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SPEAKER_00 0:10

Welcome back, everybody. When it comes down to it, I really hope that you enjoyed our interviews. But as a I guess little treat to have, um, J-Rock is back, even though he's been gone now for the last couple weeks. How are you doing, bud?

SPEAKER_02 0:28

I am doing excellent. I'm doing great, fantastic. I'm happy to be back.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

So, what have you been doing? I mean, you've been gone for like three weeks now.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

I've been one then spending time with the family, too. Uh, started my work uh profession that I do on the side that I enjoy doing, but uh sometimes I have my moments some days, but I've been doing that for the last few weeks to make money for the family. Four times a week, so I'm kind of busy.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Yeah, did you did you miss your what it's like family?

unknown 1:13

Oh yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Well, that's that's good, you know, and I'm and I'm glad that you know you're getting stuff done that you need to take care of. You know, I mean, yeah, we missed you here and everything, but it's it's a good thing that you're able to get done what you need to get done.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

Yeah, definitely. Family's important men gotta prioritize your things on that, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Well, when it comes down to it, I know something else that's going on that's got lots of prioritization going on is the war in Iran.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

Yeah. War in Iran, man. Well, I'm glad in a way things are taking place because things are certain countries, especially that one, fighting evil.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Um and and you know, they have to try to uh turn over the the the power, the ruling that they've had, and uh really make peace, man. I know that we've had many airstrikes, I know that we've killed and decimated what was it, over 155 ships plus Iranian navies with funk, air capabilities destroyed and determinated their airports. Glad they don't have a nuclear program anymore because we cannot be trusted with those things, obviously, because they shoot missiles into Israel trying to hurt innocent people. Well, you know how they feel about life from that point on.

unknown 2:53

True.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

Well, most people that there's other channels there.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Well, I mean, most people don't know either that if you actually look into some of how they see, I guess, how the world should go, one of the reasons they shouldn't have a nuclear weapon is because they see as you know, because they're you know religious zealots, but they see the next coming after being brought upon by an Armageddon. Why would you want somebody who looks at you know their religion, their world, and everything of the next step of life needing to reach Armageddon? I mean, why would you want them to have a nuclear weapon? That's what they want. They want to destroy everything.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

They do. That's why they can't be trusted.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Yep. But with so much destroyed, now it's their choice. They can decide how they want to be destroyed with what's left.

SPEAKER_02 4:00

Well, you know, what they were talking about though is hitting the civilian infrastructures. You know, I don't I don't really quite agree with it. Again, if we've decimated them in every area, they have the nuclear programs that are not uh functional and capable. That's been decimated, right? They have all these things that they're not able to really build from, it's gonna take some time to push them back, likely so because of how they treat the people as well, right? So they gotta kind of learn their lessons. But if you are forcing the service members, they're lost, okay. Well, if you do the numbers, man, like our statistics are just the odds are just crazy numbers.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Well, okay, when you get into the losses, when you get to some of the more structural parts of it, though, the thing that comes into play is yes, the people. But the thing is, is if you look at them and their proxies and how they do things, they don't really care about the people. So they'd be okay if the people died, then it protected whatever they were doing. So at one point you have to push that envelope of all right, well, cut off the power then, because if there's no power, as it's been said, it puts you back in the stone age. Yeah, it sucks for the people, and that's not fair, but at the same time, if the military, the government, IRGC, whatever part of it it is that you want to talk about hides behind the people, how are you supposed to get to them? I mean, you know what I'm saying? I mean, because you can't go after the people, and we don't, and we don't want to actually have like, you know, boots on the ground, like you know, the whole situation.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

So well, I mean, so we're gonna be talking peace. I know you want boots on the ground, but boots on the ground, what's that going to stir up? A force that's been taken over. I see what they're doing, which is smart, you're allowing your your country to start running things correctly. Start taking things your own responsibility, putting things in your own hands, as so to speak, which is good. That shows that independence. And token is like, well, what do we have to gain from this? And what are we trying to do? Because if if straight, the Homo's straight, man, if we decide to say, hey, we're gonna go ahead and just take this over. Well, there's gonna be some issues, man. You know, unfortunately starting to act and everything, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:40

Okay, so uh alright, so when it comes to straight of hormones, so Iran is gonna be an idiot and think that they're gonna charge people a tax for going through. Well, that's just not gonna happen. But when it comes down to it, none of the other countries that actually use that area are stepping up. I mean, some have, but the majority of them haven't done anything to help. So at that point, us staying there means that we're in danger, our soldiers are in danger, you know, we lose equipment, money, all that stuff for however much it takes to do it because we become a police force over there so that they're not doing that or they're not doing it on a drastic scale. I mean, why can't the countries just escort their own ships? Right?

SPEAKER_02 7:42

I think they've been used to uh America helping them for far too in the past.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

Well, I think I think it would be really funny because if Trump turned around and said, Alright, that's fine. You want to stay home, you stay home, and I will charge you a protection fee for every ship that goes through. I guarantee you every single one of those countries would be figuring out how to get there. Because they're not going to turn around and pay a protection fee on their for their ships to make sure they're safe. They'll figure out how to get there so they can do it themselves. So they can do it, they just don't want to.

SPEAKER_02 8:20

They choose not to.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 8:23

And we have taken the bill over and over again many times in life.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Well, yeah, that's why Trump made the uh in that post was like, go get your own damn oil. We don't we're not using the oil from there, you know. We have our own, and then our closest source is Venezuela, beyond that. So we we're not taking it from the Middle East. That's like a long ways to go just for oil. Yeah, you know, so if that's what your economy is built on and that's what you need, and that's what's so important, go get it. I mean, when it comes down to it, Iran has been torn to shit. Dude, like other than the fact that they have oil, they have nothing else that they even can bargain with. Well, I mean, the even if somebody was gonna come by, they couldn't even sell them anything but oil. So if the oil's gone or they don't have that, they have nothing to use, they have no bargaining power at all. And if the only thing they have is oil or no oil, it's not really that hard. You just need to go and you know do the work. And I mean, everyone Well, I was one of the things I was gonna bring up is everyone's been, you know, ragging on the not just Trump, but the military and everything for the fact that this uh F-15 got shot down and everything. And when it comes down to it, I mean this has been such a huge campaign. People have to understand that there's going to be sacrifices and there will be accidents. Nothing is perfect.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

I mean, they're stuffing it shot down, and not shot down, I want to say, but just malfunctioning, destroy, uh, even training. That yeah, so even for that moments where pilots have like ejected.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Yeah, there's always those risks.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

Right. So to have only a handful for them to be down, pretty good compared to our 12,000 missions that we went on. Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

So well, I mean, right now it's like basically it's like what um probably 1,500 airstrikes to every plane we lose. I think we're still winning. I mean, that's that there's there's a big difference there. How many planes have we lost? Um I know we've like lost, I think, believe 14 people. I think it's only like five or six planes, dude.

SPEAKER_02 11:08

So six planes, 12,000 missions. That means we lost what? One plane every 2,000 missions?

SPEAKER_00 11:14

Oh, okay. So there you go. Like I said, I think that's a pretty good um balance. Because nothing's gonna be perfect, dude. Nothing. And I mean, as much as we're kicking their ass, which we are, we're kicking the shit out of them. As much as that's going on, they are gonna have guys that are running around with you know um shoulder rocket launchers and everything, and they'll get lucky once in a while. It's just gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

Because there's no mitigation uh purposes and procedures for that.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Well, but I mean the thing is is when you're in the plane, you're not like un untouchable. Yes, there's anti-aircraft, but and that's gone, but it doesn't mean that you're untouchable. You can still be hit by so many different things. I mean, dude, a f and this would be something that would be really tragic, and sorry, but if that becomes one of Iran's greatest weapons, that would be really crazy. But jets can be taken down by a flock of birds. So, I mean, to make it seem like, you know, they're doing so well, nah. They've got a you know, I mean, okay, think think of a a boxing fight, you know, or something like that. No fight are you ever gonna do where it's all totally one-sided. The other side's gonna get a couple shots in.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

You're gonna get hit, dude. Without a doubt, I don't care how big your defense is. Yeah, you're gonna get a few hits in your body. That's just inevitable.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

It's like, yeah. And the other side, yeah, they're they're just they really believe in it and they're really cheering their side on. So when you know they get that pop, it just sounds that much more. But as soon as, you know, that's done and over with, it's what? It's back to us kicking their ass. You know, they're they're just that it's gonna be when they when they actually realize that the game's up and it's like you're not gonna make it. You know, the one thing that that is gonna be interesting though, that people talk about is um people talk about the uranium underground left over from the um what was it, Midnight Hammer or whatever. You remember that a couple months back? Yeah, and it buried all the uranium, so now you know people are like, oh, well, they still have that, they're gonna do something, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 13:49

And the rule option on those that's irrelevant.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Well, I mean, to go in and get it would be pretty difficult, and that would be a significant ground operation, so that's I wouldn't really lean that way either. But one of the things that was uh pretty interesting and kind of funny was when asked about it, Trump was like, Yeah, we're keeping an eye on it with a satellite, and if they do anything with it, we're gonna hit them right there again. So basically, don't go in that area. That's uh now a no-man's land. If you go there, they're gonna blow it up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

So I mean they they Well, hey, you gotta do some things, you gotta put the fear of God into people. True. You can't be trusted with something that you gotta use against neighboring countries that don't deserve that.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

So I'm glad that those things are taking place. I know that uh we have money to spend to do those things, but we still got things at home, the home front that we gotta have too, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

And that it should not always depend upon the citizens so much to do it. If our government is supposed to be working for us in certain aspects, then guess what? They have funds, use those funds to help and provide whatever is needed for people in communities, not and not and not make it a government program. Where this is funds that have to come to people to help them and their community. You know, whatever that looks like. I don't know that. I just I hope for change, I hope for better things. I hope it is I I Iran war is really doing what it's supposed to be doing, get rid of the regime. That's wicked, praise God. Well, who's gonna be coming in there next? Yeah, and what's gonna be happening next. And you know, and I feel for the people, beautiful people. And I pray that they get everything they they deserve and more, and I pray that they cling to the Lord, right? But they told me it's like, what are we what what's the plans here, man? If you decide to bomb their infrastructure, I mean think about this, you're gonna bomb the infrastructure where there's power just to need water filtration. Like, Trump is like, I'm not messing around, dude. I'm gonna give you 48 hours. If you don't comply by Tuesday, well guess what? I'm gonna blow you stuff up. And that's kind of sad because then other people suffer for that reason.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:31

So that's what I'm saying. They're willing to do that. Their country.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Well, that's why I was I said before they don't care about their people, you know. If their people die, but they stay in power, they're they're like, oh, I'm all for it.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

Not okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

So yeah, they're they're just crazy, like I said, uh religious zealots. You know, they think they're they're gonna they in their frame of mind, they think that they're gonna, you know, uh conquer the world or some crazy shit. But the the thing that's that's that was really surprising was not so much the ferocity at which it all happened, because I mean when Trump says that he's pissed off about something and he's gonna, you know, bomb something or whatever, it's not like a little like doop doop and that's it, and done. No, he just levels it, you know. It's like boom, done, okay, problem solved. But when it originally started, you know, um Iran last uh what it reminded me of is like lashing out like a two-year-old child. They just like shot missiles in every direction, they didn't even care where they landed, they just flung crap in every direction, you know, just throwing a tantrum. And they pissed off and they hit all their neighboring countries, and they pissed all of them off.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

That's what they intentionally wanted to do though, though.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Well, but but see, their reasoning was they would piss them off, and then those countries would get mad at the West for antagonizing a situation. The thing is, though, is a lot of those countries had never been attacked before. They're not like Israel and stuff where they have bomb shelters and uh you know a golden dome or uh David's sling, you know, iron dome, yeah, all these different things. They don't have all those. You know, they have some, but they don't have something like for what just came across. So for them, a lot of them, their people were scared. Like they were like, they were like, what's going on? Like, we're we're being bombed from what? Where do we go? How like what are we supposed to like? They were totally unprepared, and it's so crazy because the rest of the world, like a lot of Europe, has been like, not my problem, I don't need to be there, you know, you do your thing, and it's really crazy because when you think of you know, people helping each other to get through something, and you know, I'll help you, you help me, and alliances form and long-term and everything. Um Europe is all hundred percent behind Ukraine for everything, okay. Dude, Ukraine went to the Middle East when during this to for support. They even not only gave some munitions to some of these other countries, but they also taught them how to use them.

SPEAKER_02 19:45

That's Ukraine, hardcore, man.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Well, but that shouldn't have been the case. Like, that should have been like France, Britain, like all those countries should have came up and had a whole bunch of stuff for those countries and then just started showing them how to use it from day one. But no, the little country that you know is getting the shit kicked out of them and they're going through hell. They he, you know, they have their own problems, and they're going, you know what, we can help them. We're gonna go over there here. Take this, this is how you use it, use this, it'll protect you. Okay, and this is how you solve this problem. And it was Ukraine that did that, it wasn't NATO. You know, I mean, that's just it's crap, and when it comes down to it, I mean, I get it, okay. I get what NATO, the UN, I get what these things are for. You know, NATO came out of World War II. I get it. There was a lot of alliances that I mean, there were some, but there were ones that were made that were created because it was literally good versus evil. So you were either uh allies or you were Axis, you know, so it created a very large allied force. So I understand how once World War II was over, a bunch of countries were like, all right, we got to make sure this doesn't happen again, so we're gonna do this, and we're all gonna watch each other's back, and you know, ball, and it go around. That makes sense, okay. At the same time, like we had just been talking about, we've gotten planes that have gotten shot down, not hundreds or anything, but a handful. Okay, we've also lost over a dozen service members. So why is it that UK is not like, hey, dude, you know what? You had someone that died and your stuff's getting screwed up. You know what? We're gonna come help you, we got your back. Yeah. Spain, dude, Spain would not even let us use their airspace. I mean, how are these people our allies? Like, that makes no sense. Well, I mean, at that point, we have to really look at that and go.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Can we rely on who funds it? Who funds terrorism then?

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Well, okay, so you want to talk about for funding for terrorism and everything. So NATO, okay, NATO likes to think that they're big and bad.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

NATO, can you explain to people what NATO is?

SPEAKER_00 22:17

Oh, NATO, the North Atlantic, North Atlantic Treaty Organization. And that, like I said, that was formed after World War II. Um, again, you know, because dealing with the Nazis and everything like that, we wanted to make sure that no country was able to gain enough power to do that, but also so that we had a col a group collectively working so that if something like that did come up, there would be a force to stand against it. I would consider Iran evil, but apparently NATO's not standing up against evil anymore. So at that, I would say maybe we should leave NATO. They're not helping us, they're not, you know, offering like I said, they don't even want to let us use their airspace, so we gotta fly around and shit. You know, they're not gonna do any of the things that they were supposed to.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

So I mean well, dude.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Okay, so everyone turned around, and it was really good when Trump originally made NATO their defense spending go from what was it, two two percent, two percent to five percent, or three percent to five percent, or something like that, or whatever. When it comes down to it, that's really good, that's really helpful, dude. The United States still funds is sixteen percent of their defense budget. 16 now if we're 16 if we're 16 of your defense budget and we're having a military issue going on, I'm sorry, we shouldn't even have to ask. You should be lined up and like, dude, all right, we see you're over there, we'll be there in all right, 22. All right, you know what, we'll figure out how to be there in 20 hours. It should not be the way it is, you know, and it's it's not. And when it comes down to it, like I said, all these Middle East nations came together against Iran, and that never happened before. You know, they were always it was always one of those things where they were kind of like, you know, we don't need to get involved, you know, or they're like, we're not with the West, or you know, whatever. But this time, you know, he they lashed out at them all, and all these countries were like, you know what, we're not taking this shit. All right, you know what, we're all coming together, and we're gonna go against you. And dude, they've been helping us. So well, when yeah, that is good, but at that point, dude, times change. So NATO might not be necessary anymore, you know. The Europe isn't the same way it was back in 1945. The Middle East still has a lot of problems culturally, religiously, all over the board. So, okay, why not trade a NATO-based alliance and create one of those in the Middle East? You know, we're putting 16% into NATO. Why don't we put 16% into some other ally force that actually makes a difference? You know, instead of doing all this crap alone. And I mean, for a long time everyone was like, oh, well, you know, that's Israel and the United States, they're just doing their thing and whatever. And then they were all pissed off when like things go well, and uh Israel and the United States are like, no, we don't want you here. You like stay away, you do whatever somewhere else. We're busy. It's because they already have everything under control. All you're gonna do is walk in and create a bunch of bureaucratic problems that's gonna slow everything down. So, I mean, I don't. I think NATO is old, like old and dusty.

SPEAKER_02 26:25

Well then that's move on from there with the old and dusty crew, let's talk about something new. How about that?

SPEAKER_00 26:35

Hey, you know, when it comes to that, I'll admit I was on the other side to start, and I was like, no, we we need, you know, it's very important, we can't, you know, change it and everything like that. So I'll admit I was like that to start. However, I started looking up certain things on it because I got different bits of information that it wasn't so much that they were opposite, but they didn't make sense. So I was like, you know, I'm gonna look this up because I don't get this. After looking it up, birthright citizenship isn't something that's necessary anymore. And I came to that, and the reason I can say that is because its original purpose was um for the slaves. When the slaves were freed, they needed to be made citizens, but we couldn't go through and just go one by one and just sign people up. You know what I mean? So they made it to where every child, every person that was born, they were a citizen. We don't enslave our own citizens, so boom, stop slavery right there, and it won't come back.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

Well, I mean, that was again the 1865 Foreign Allegiance Act, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:59

Well, for the Foreign Allegiance Act, well, the foreign the Foreign Allegiance Act is something that determines the allegiance to the country. And when it comes down to it, uh one of the things that it dealt with was deserters and things like that. People that didn't want to go to war, so um it was how the government would uh renounce your citizenship. So, like, say you get drafted and then you run away, the it was a way for the government to take away your citizenship. So, but that's not something that really happens anymore because that's not how the world works, you know. But when it comes to the birthright citizenship and having a foreign allegiance or not, it was so interesting because the justice Katanji Brown Jackson went on this weird ass rant, like, okay, dude, when it comes to the Kamala Harris and the word salad, she's a contender, she can do it. Okay, but she went on this weird rant of comparing how citizenship would work here versus based in other countries and expectations, and then goes on to say you can have an allegiance to two different places, two different countries, and it's like, wait, what? I mean, you you you had to take raise your right hand and for the oath and everything. I don't understand how you can have an allegiance to two different nations. If those nations went to war, you'd have to choose one, correct?

unknown 29:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

So then how would you have how is it possible to have allegiance to two nations like that? Because to be a patriot, you have to believe solely in one, right? Okay, so see, even someone in our Supreme Court is nuts.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

Listen, man, there's things going on in this world right now that forces that are in control that we don't see that are guiding and making people do some weird things, man, and making weird decisions, trying to you know, push buttons, man, and try to take as far as they can and go that shile, man, on things that they shouldn't be doing. Well, I mean, that's deceit and corruption.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Well, I mean, that's it's comes in a lot into play in how birthright citizenship is abused these days. There's I mean, not only do you have it, but then you have a lot of loopholes that come along with it. Okay. So when it comes down to it, the law, I guess, would is seen as as soon as you step foot on US soil, if you have a baby right there, the baby's an American. Okay, so I get how the premise works. And like I said, I believe that at one point I was like understanding of that. But after reading and learning, which again is what we always tell you guys, educate yourselves, you know, make up your own mind. Um, I learned that it really had nothing to do with now, and that there's a lot of other countries that are not only having some of the same um conversations, you know, but they um there's other like 30 or so other countries that um have like some type of birthright citizenship, but it comes with layers and layers of rules.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

So it's like it sounded like the birth tourism that we're talking about before.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Well, okay, so with the boot with the birth tourism, that's one of the loopholes, okay, because with boot birth tourism, basically what somebody would do is they'd uh get pregnant, come here, have the baby, then the baby gets a U.S. citizenship, and then they leave. Then they go to wherever they came from, and then when the baby's 18, the baby can come back to America and as a citizen, then can sponsor the people from home. That's a huge loophole. Because if you can actually do that, no, technically, they are not breaking the law because if you look at the loopholes that are there, they're just following the loopholes. Those loopholes need to be changed because that's wrong, and it's not just wrong in the sense of a moral thing, but it doesn't help us as a country, okay? Just a couple years ago, one in ten children that were born, they were born to mothers that weren't U.S. citizens. So 10% of the mothers weren't U.S. citizens. Now take that number and project that forward. Send all those people home, wait 20 years, and then start bringing groups and groups of people back. Dude, we'll be outnumbered by the people that come from other countries in just a few decades. And we won't be able to do anything about it because the those people will be citizens and they will have those rights. And then through our laws for immigration, everything like that, they will then sponsor their family members to bring them here. So it's it's almost like making yourself sick and uh draining your own um energy and resources and everything like that just to do it. No particular reason, just to do it. You know, I mean, what was it like uh a thousand, yeah, a thousand in in China or whatever, there's over a thousand birth tourism places, which are the same thing we were just talking about. So they bring you here just to have a baby, then go home. Okay, that's China, okay, and they they make a lot of money, okay, and that's China, okay. Some would go, oh you know, another world, yeah, that makes sense. They do crazy shit like that. However, there's birth tourism birth tourism places in California and Florida. So those businesses actually exist here in America as well. That's how lucrative that is. And when it comes down to it, it they don't none none of it is done with the mother or the child in mind. It's all done with the s getting citizenship to then be used in the future to come to America. That's like, and that was not at all what it was originally for. Like I said, originally the slaves were freed when they had kids, their kids became citizens, so that some jerk off down the line, some you know, classical version of Biden or some crap, couldn't come along and restart slavery because you can't enslave your own citizens. And if you even tried, that would go down horribly, you know. But it was basically to give the slaves citizenship and guarantee that it wouldn't happen again. We're long past that, we're hundreds of years past that. So like I said, I changed my mind, and it needs it, it's probably something that we should be done with because the birth tourism thing is gonna create a problem in the long term.

SPEAKER_02 36:17

Right, I think that's it.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

And the thing and it's and it's really crazy because when you talk about you know the birth tourism, um, you know, it's it's not like um they hide it or anything either, you know, kind of like that uh leering center in uh Minnesota when they caught with the fraud. There's an actual company in Miami, and it's uh called Have My Baby Service.

unknown 36:47

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 36:48

Yeah, it's in Miami, dude. So it's like I said, it's not it's not just some crazy thing from like another country where people are like, Oh yeah, but that doesn't happen here. No, it is happening here, you know, it's insane. And then so in America, we have birth tourism, so we have all the people that want to come here and have a baby, okay. In Canada, this is beyond anything I would have ever imagined, okay. And I don't know if you had never heard of this, but there's an old woman in Canada who had back pain and went to the ER. Okay. After talking to the doctors, the doctor suggested, okay, the doctor's suggestion was euthanasia.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

What kind of suggestion is that to kill yourself?

SPEAKER_00 37:51

Dude, I don't know. I mean, here okay, in America, you're trying to you got people that are trying to cut off their wang and freaking uh sterilize themselves. In Canada, you got people that are trying to euthanize themselves. I mean what is wrong with people these days, you know? And it and it and it wasn't just some like small like Dr. Kavorkin, like one person type thing. There's an actual program, okay. A program called MAID M A D E. Okay, and it's responsible for the deaths of over 70,000 people. 70,000 people. So they've they've they've euthanized over 70,000 people. This lady had back pain, so imagine what they've what to what uh lines they've gone to be okay with euthanizing other people. And it's just because of back pain. And it accounts, and it accounts from people young and old. So it's not like they just went to this woman and they were like, you know, we give you medication, yeah. You're 86, but you know, if you didn't live that long, you know, um for a monetary situation, we might suggest it no, no, it would it's not like that because some of that stuff they've suggested for people that were in their 20s.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Oh no, that's crazy. They just want to kill people.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

Yeah. I mean, it what I have no idea what person came up with this program, a program to euthanize people, you know, and then people turn around and say Trump is a Nazi. Like, dude, not only do you people need a freaking history lesson, but maybe look around the world at other crap that's actually actually actually happening. And maybe compare make the right comparisons to the right people, you know what I mean? Yeah, because yeah, when you start euthanizing people and stuff like that, yeah, you're starting to go down the line of neugenics and everything like that, and yeah, okay. Now you're getting to be a Nazi, you know, that's that path that that leads.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

Of course, and that should maybe be that shouldn't even be mentioned in those type of things. You trust people for medical purposes to help you, right? Not to give you suggestions of that. Like you're playing God now. It's not not okay.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

And I mean, okay, and I understand um that some people will have, you know, incur incurable diseases and such, cancer, things like that. Um but even with that, I I would never look at one of those people and say, Yeah, but you're never gonna get any better. Nah, you should just kick the bucket now. No, that's so crazy. I mean, there's so much more of a that you can get out of your life beyond just the fact that, oh, well, I'm gonna die earlier than I thought.

SPEAKER_02 41:14

I thought I heard it all, man. You're telling me something like that, it's just insane to me, but and this is Canada. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

So okay, so think about this. Okay, so think about this, okay? Everyone wants to be in America, and when you get to America, this is what you get to deal with. They want to sterilize you, they want to cut off your wang, your northern neighbors want to euthanize you, and your southern neighbors are drug dealers. Yeah, there's some crazies out there, and I definitely think that you know uh a lot of it is borderline cult activity, if you know what I mean. Cause some of these things are so far beyond just norm just what the average person would think is not even belief, but common sense. And then, you know, again, when it comes to and talking about common sense, you know, I know the issue that's been out um a lot lately with Tiger Woods and everything, and I get it, you know, he was uh on his pills and stuff, and shouldn't have been driving. And I understand, I get all those things, okay. He has enough money to call a driver. I get it. I'm with you on all of it. Okay, the thing that nobody takes into consideration and people don't really think about before they open their mouth, this is a man, okay. Tiger Woods is 50 years old. A lot of it's funny, a lot of people don't know that he's 50 years old, but Tiger Woods is 50. So uh when it comes down to it though, okay, at 50 years old, he's had seven back surgeries and over 20 surgeries on his leg. Now, if you want to go talk to any family member who's had one or two back surgeries and maybe one or two leg surgeries, how their daily pain is, go for it. Okay, but for people to be pissed off at the fact that he was on pills regularly, okay, maybe he has a little bit of a pill problem. Okay, that's fine, but this man was in a god awful amount of pain 24 7. So Tiger, I'm gonna tell you this right now. If you those are the pills, and that's how things need to be, so that you feel right, so that you don't feel in misery all day long, go for it. Because I know what it's like to be in constant pain, unbearable pain, especially at an all-the-time basis. And for him, it's not something where it's oh, he's getting high, and you know, it changes his life, and you know, it makes him into a different person, and that's how he does. No, that's what he does to get through the day. Okay, if people want to get pissed off, they can be pissed off at all these other little shits around him, you know, his entourage and whatever, people that are riding his coattails because they're Tiger Woods' friend, or they go out with him, or they golf with him, or whatever, you know, and they're riding the gravy train and they just don't want it to stop. Because I can tell you right now, with as much as he's done in his golfing career, and then as much as he's been through, and he's only 50, dude, this man deserves a vacation, a good long vacation. Because his body has been through the like it's just been through it again and again and again. And it does, it it really irritates me. People need to get off his back, you know, and the people that are pushing the hardest are the people that he should get away from. Those are the people that what is it that they call these days. Uh those are the ones that would be toxic, you know, because they are the people that don't care about him as a person, they care about the accolades and the fame that they get by being around him. Right, you know, and I do. I really wish people would just get over it, you know. Yes, he had pills in his pocket. That's true. They were prescription, his prescription, and it's known it was from a doctor. Now, out of all the people out there listening, have you ever had a medication that you needed to take, needed to run on an error or something, stuck it in your pocket real quick, and you went on your way? It's a couple pills, you put it in your pocket, you'll take them later. That happens to people all the time. You know? How many women out there got a little, you know, uh thing of aspirin or something in their purse or whatever, but the the um outside's all scratched off, so it doesn't even look like that anymore, so it's just a bottle to hold a couple pills. Should she be looked at as a druggie? No, she has a little container with a couple aspirin in it for a need, you know, need be basis. That's all it is, you know. He's not a drug dealer, he's not a drugie, he's I mean, like I said, people just need to get off his back, man. Just leave him alone. I mean, he didn't even uh uh test positive. There were uh there was no alcohol involved. You know, the only person that he hurt was him. The only thing that he screwed up was his car. You know?

SPEAKER_02 47:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:31

But, you know, no, look at people support, you know, Britney Spears and uh all sorts of other crap on things that they don't understand or don't make sense or they don't even get you know all the details on, you know.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

Think about the view, too, man, uh they discourage women from getting married and having kids.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

Because they're just uh angry bunch of heifers, dude. That's all. I mean, when it comes down to it. Uh I think three of them don't even use their real name. They use a made-up name. Because Whoopi Goldberg, that woo that's not her original name. I don't remember what it is, you know, but there's a few of them. Then they're what was I can't remember the other one. But yeah, they're just angry, they're just you know, people that when they see someone else that's doing suc that's successful, or they see someone else that's um doing things really well, they want to put them down to make themselves feel better or make themselves look more successful. And when somebody that they don't necessarily approve of has something that they want, they it not really from jealousy, but they kind of they lash out in like uh frustration, in the sense of like it's not as easy for them, or it's not as you know uh realistic for them, so their life is harder, but you know, yeah. So it's not so much that women need to not get pregnant and not have families, they say that because that's how they would how they want their life to go. Does that make sense? I mean, I don't have kids myself, but everyone that I've ever talked to that have that has kids, you know, always says that having kids is the most beautiful thing in the world.

SPEAKER_02 49:52

Maybe it's one of the hardest jobs in the world, too. Yeah, they always say you be raising human beings to be good human beings while you're going through it as a human being.

SPEAKER_00 50:06

Well, there was something that was really interesting. I actually um there's a show that I like on TV, and um one of the uh co-hosts for it, his name is Tyrus. If anybody out there knows who that is, you're probably gonna be like, Oh, I heard this before, but um, and he's he's he's I want to say he's a very wise guy, but it's not so much from being old, it's just he's dealt with a lot of different situations, and so through the fact that he's had so many experiences, he's knowledgeable on all those experiences, and when it comes down to it, in a show that he was doing recently, and this same type of topic came up, you know, he uh talked about how um kids change us, you know, and he was like, When you have a kid, he's like, Yeah, you can choose to be a parent and do all the right things, you know, or you can choose to be a piece of crap, you know. And he's like, when it comes down to it, you know, having a child changes a man, you know. He's like, when I had my kids, he's like, I had three kids from three women in one year. He's like, so yeah, I had to make a decision. I'm either gonna man up and deal with my shit or I'm gonna run away. And he was like, so I, you know, dealt with what I needed to do and everything like that. And he was talking about it, and he was like, and I don't regret it. And he's like, and the fact that I dealt with what I did then put me in the place where I am now to be able to provide for them. So you know, it's one of those things that it changes people on such a dramatic level that the people that it didn't change like that, they're like bitter. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 52:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:11

So that so that it's not that they don't want you to have family, they're bitter because they didn't get their dream family. Yeah, so I said it's just a bunch of heifers. But I mean, it's just like uh Leslie Jones, you know, she was on, and she's a comedian actress.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

I think she was in slavery, slavery, like marriage, like slavery.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

Well, yeah, she was on a I don't remember if she was on a podcast or just uh it was just an interview or something on TV, but she was going through it and they were talking about being married and stuff like that, and she sees marriage as slavery, legalized slavery for women. I agree a hundred percent. You know what? The first time I turn around when hey, when it comes down to it, the first time I turn around and call my wife a slave, the next phone call I'm gonna be making is to you saying, dude, I need you to come pick me up from the ER, because my wife just beat the shit out of me. It yeah, no, it don't work that way, you know. You in if you if you want to look at it in in a in a in that type of sense, you know, you belong to her, she belongs to you. But it's not one over the other. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 53:49

Yeah, you guys coexist together.

SPEAKER_00 53:51

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 53:52

Co equally one days, you can know she's not inferior, basically, and and shouldn't be thought of that way, even though well she told she said her dad told her that.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

She was saying her dad told her that. So obviously that's probably a really fucked up family. Because if your dad, okay, your father tells you don't get married because that's legal slavery for women, really makes you wonder how he treated his women.

SPEAKER_02 54:26

Yeah, that's normally how it goes. It's like learning behaviors for fortunate, though.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

All right, because why would you even say something like that unless that's that's what you were um dealing and thinking or doing? Yeah. You know, so I mean, but again, just crazy, crazy world that the that things are going on.

SPEAKER_02 54:53

So even to a point where you're talking about I remember we're talking about a grandfather where the veteran was pushed to a subway track.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

Yeah, yeah, that had happened too.

SPEAKER_02 55:05

See, I mean, like there's so much stuff going on in the world. California, with their billion, well,$180 billion medical fraud.

SPEAKER_00 55:13

Yeah, well, that's their first estimate.$180 billion, but it could be as high as$450 billion.

SPEAKER_02 55:20

Oh my goodness gracious, when money can go to so many places, it can help so many people.

SPEAKER_00 55:25

Think okay, think about what could be done with$450 billion.

SPEAKER_02 55:31

Oh man, life changing. Everything life changing, people have enough to go around, and on top of that, like programs helping people wouldn't believe it. America would be great for things.

SPEAKER_01 55:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:48

And we can have other issues later on if we need to, like, but we take care of our own first. Yeah, I don't get that, man. God will judge, though. That's real.

SPEAKER_00 55:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:59

I pray to be a good steward of what I got, you know, like money that I get.

SPEAKER_00 56:04

Yeah, just a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 56:05

I can imagine that billions, like, wow. You know, I know it gets probably tempting, and you don't wanna, you know, you wanna start thinking about your own pockets, but you really gotta know who you respect with your own.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

Well, I mean, okay, so I understand corruption accounts for some fraud and everything. I get that. And it's never, you know, nothing is foolproof. I get that. So um there would be some. What I don't understand though is how you let it balloon to such a high amount. Because well, there's it's not just that, but they let that balloon to such a high amount and it's just growing, but then they want to start a new program, but then they turn around and go to the government for more money. Well, they're not active in all these, they're not getting a uh uh um uh a tip in all these frauds, they're not getting money from it. So when they need money for their you know, pet projects or whatever they're gonna do, I would think that they would be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We got people taking our money, and I want that money for something, and you're taking my money. So I really don't understand how it just is so it's so I mean there I was reading a thing for one building, there's like twelve hundred um it's there's like twelve hundred facilities re registered to one building. You know, like such egregious uh fraud where it's like, dude, really? Like that day, did you just put everything from the oh I gotta do this? No, I'm just gonna put it in the did list and walk away. It's like some of this stuff is easy, you know. It's just it's just crazy. And you know, then you know, everything from the immigrants, birthplace citizenship, all of it, you know, our our Supreme Court is they got people that are off the rocker, and I mean when it comes down to it, I don't know. I mean, I know you know we're supposed to, you know, watch over each other and be humble and everything like that, but I kind of get I'm getting the feeling like at one point too m we've been too empathetic and now we're paying for it. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 58:59

Yeah, well, I mean that's the whole purpose of two from that even though things get out of our control and out of our hands. Try to stay encouraged, man.

SPEAKER_00 59:09

Well, because I mean that's the most important thing is that we emerged we empathize with the criminals in hopes that they don't commit the crimes. That didn't that's not how that worked. It didn't count towards whether or not they committed the crimes. We were more empathetic and they treated us like crap. Okay, move on. Go to other countries. Same concept, you know, go to the um trans community and all the the um red tape and everything that you know was cut for them, that now all these organizations are like having all these problems with and trying to figure out what how this rule affects this rule and whatever, you know. I mean it's almost like at some point you you have to give that tough love because that's where the growth comes from. Very true, you know, and a lot of people like to think that um veterans, you know, the old old old grandpa, you know, that mean old vet and everything. And we're not mean, you know, we have expectations, I admit that, you know, and we definitely look at things and you know, expect people to not in a physical way or like necessarily a punishment, but there's going to be some sort of repercussion. I mean, we we had to live where all your actions had some sort of reaction, and some were good and some were bad, and you had to deal with the ones that you dealt with. And we've gotten so far into this culture, not just America, but in the world, where it's almost like, oh, it's okay, you'll be given another chance. Kind of like the Sunday sermon from today with bread of life, and how yes, you know, you sin and you ask for forgiveness, but if you keep doing it again and again and again and again, the concept doesn't work the same each time. Yeah, because you can't murder someone, ask for forgiveness, murder someone, ask for forgiveness, murder someone, and then and keep doing that and going, oh, well, I'm you know, I'm all good, you know, ask for forgiveness. You know, yeah, you have to you have to change your behavior. And with all the empathy that we've had over, I mean, probably the past 30, 40 years, it's really like that empathy has created a monster we can't control.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:07

Yeah, it's created some softness.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:11

Euthanizing people? I mean, are you kidding me? Dude, if you in if you would have gone back in the 70s or the 80s and said that to one of your parents or something, they would have been like, Are you on drugs?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:24

Well, but now it's it's a reality.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:26

Yeah, now it's like, oh, I gotta go to the doctor for my euthanasia appointment. Um, oh yeah, I won't see you later, but yeah, I gotta go to the doctor. You know, and like I said, and when it comes for us as veterans, you know, like I said, we're all different, you know, we have things that are similar, but it's because we all went through the same trials and tribulations in the service. I mean, not all the same ones, but we share a lot of the same ones, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:58

We have challenges, and we definitely have a never give up confidence.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:02

Yeah, we believe in hard work. I said we believe in hard work, you know, work hard, play harder. So, I mean, you know, we we believe in hard work, but we also believe in the rewards and stuff afterward, you know?

unknown 1:03:23

That's correct.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:24

So, you know, people really people need to to communicate with the veter with veterans more and get to know them and things like that. Because all of us were a very diverse group of people.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:40

Well, life has been a sending the downs. Like, I don't know, you said this before, but we don't have to do it alone, right? Veterans need to stay safe, remember there's always a better choice.

unknown 1:03:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:53

Suicide is just not that choice. Solution to the temporary problem.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:59

Well, I mean, being veterans, we're fighters, you know, we're warriors. You know, veterans, we're the battle-tested, you know, all that, but um we're we're warriors, you know, and to do suicide, you're you're giving up the battle, you know. You're you're ending the fight and you're saying, I'm not good enough, I I lose. And that's not how we are, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:27

If anyone listening to needs to reach out, man, please please do so.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:30

Like yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:34

Christian encouragement, devotional time, the Lord, and and words of encouragement. And then we have um, you know, we'll pray for you. You can reach out and and we'll pray.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:53

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. If it's not something that you know we know or can handle right away, we'll definitely help you, you know, get to where you need to go. Because a lot of times it's just getting to the right place, you know. A lot of veterans, if you gave them the tools that they needed and gave them the abilities that they needed, we'd be totally fine. I mean, a lot of us a lot of us have that belief of I'll do it myself, you know, you guys don't gotta worry about me and whatever, but you know, just get to know your vets. Or besides, we're very awesome people. Okay, we're awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:44

Yeah, but I work with a lot of vets, you know, that I love them better, they're good people. Yeah, great people to know them from all different walks of life. Yeah, different mindsets.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:56

Well, one of the one of the good things about veterans is if you make Friends with a veteran and stuff, they got your back and they'll look out for you. You know, and no veterans, we're not all millionaires. I'd be willing to bet if you did a survey, we all wish we were, but we're not, you know. But resistant, you know, but we got your back, you know, and maybe it's not in the most conventional way or whatever, but you know, everyone we all need to have someone to lean on, veterans included, you know, that's why we can lean on each other. But that's why, you know, people should get to know vets and stuff like that, because that's someone that'll be able to help you later on when you're in having it, you know, rough times. You know, and for the VA, gonna, you know, my what my you know, my mom used to always say, you know, um, you may lose you may win the battle and lose the war, you know, but just keep going and take notes and just be smart, or as I was told recently, make sure you have all your information before you pull that trigger. And um, you know, when you take your notes and you make sure you have your information, it gives it gives them enough rope just for them to hang themselves with. You don't have to do anything. So you don't have to get upset and angry and yelling and whatever. Just know what you're doing, make sure you have your notes, and you'll eventually make your way through. It may take a little time, but there's people that will help you. There's people that will, you know, recognize your service and recognize that you know you need help with things, but you have to not give up. If you don't give up, yeah, then I promise you'll be able to get something. You will succeed.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:22

Well, with that being said, now I want to thank our listeners listening.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:27

Uh following our show. Definitely like that. And our email address, if you have any questions, want to interview, feedback, whatever that looks like. Let's hear it from me. It's bull and j rock at gmail.com. Bull and j rock. J-R-O-C, okay, at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:53

And keep in mind, if you have a problem, you can talk to us about it. If we were wrong, all right, you can come on and we'll do an interview, and you can teach our us and our listeners and educate us on the real thing. If you just want to talk smack, it just makes us laugh. It's just funny. But if you do have a problem, definitely contact us through the email and we'll figure it out. We're we're not we're not about slander or any of those things or whatever. It's how we feel and what we think and support for our fellow veterans. Beyond that, that's right. I don't know. Other other than that, if you have, you know, you know, good opinions that you want to share, yeah, we'd love to hear those. You know, you get nice rich ones and really, you know, not just makes it uh brighten our day and everything, but it's always nice to know that um we help people. That whether it be, you know, made them feel like you know, they were they're a little more centered now in their day, you know, in their life, or whether it was, you know, something that we gave them as inspiration, you know, because everybody needs help. None of us are meant to be alone, none of us are perfect. And just like we, you know, do for usual ones. I know it's been a while because we had the interviews, so we haven't done this in a little bit, but we usually have our after-action review, the famous AAR, and something that people need to remember is when it comes to an allegiance and everything like that, think about how much the country does for you, and then think about what you could do in return, you know, to give back to that. Cause when it comes down to it, freedom isn't free. Okay, not only does it take an allegiance and loyalty, but it takes people that are willing to take the risk to go, you know what, I'm gonna do something that's bigger than me. And when it comes to Iran, I don't I don't, I do not give a piss whether you think we should be there, whether you think we shouldn't be there, whether you agree with it, whether you think it should be done this way, that way, whatever. I don't care. And in reality, if it's something that bothers you, don't look at it from that way. Okay, what you need to do no matter what, well, all of us need to do, regardless of how we feel about it, is we need to support our troops because they're there so that we aren't. Okay, they're helping free people that are being oppressed by their own government, and we need to have our troops back a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:28

Agree with me more, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:30

Well, I mean, arguing about why we're there doesn't really matter anymore. We're there, you know, but the people that are there, they need our support, and not just, you know, oh thanks, you know, or oh, do a great job or whatever, and oh, you know, you know, send you gifts or whatever. Sometimes that support is, you know, doing what they would have normally been doing here, you know, helping their families, you know, or maybe it's looking towards making sure that politically our politicians get their head out of their ass so that we can do, or so that our troops can do what they need to do so that they can come home. Because the faster they're done, then the faster they come home.

unknown 1:13:20

That is right, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:23

And the last thing that I want to bring up is if you have a passion about something, then we'd love to talk to you about it. You know, like I said, um birthright citizenship was not something that I intended to be a big topic, but I learned something on it. So that's why, you know, all of our listeners, yeah, we love that you listen to us. That's great. But when it comes down to it, we're not the end-all be-all either. You know, if you hear something or you're interested in something, look it up. Make up your own damn mind. Because that's not my job. I know that's not J-Rock's job. I mean, I don't know. He it might be I'm pretty sure it's not his. But, you know, when it comes down to it, we're all individuals, you know, and if you want to be a pain in the ass and just irritate people, then fine. You can just be a little gnat floating around that's gonna annoy the crap at everyone, and then one day you'll get squashed and everyone will be fine. Yay, move on. But instead, be productive, you know, and work with people, you know. If there's a problem, let's fix it. You know, if you felt that we hurt your feelings or something like that, talk to us about it. You know, maybe we maybe when it comes down to it, when we look back on it, maybe we're like, you know, I guess I did say that wrong. I'm sorry I shouldn't have said that. Wow, whole thing's fixed right there, and all it took was, you know, a few sentences. That's all it needs to be. We don't need to be like Canada, we don't need to be killing off our own people, you know, and we don't need to be like Iran, we don't need to be killing off our own people like that neither. You know, people just like said, you know, we need to be good to each other, you know, and remember that we're all human. And more than likely, everything that you're gonna complain about, more than likely you've probably done it at one point in time in your life. So yeah, really pay attention to what you say, because hypocrisy isn't isn't such a good look. And you know, everybody is hypocritical at times, but when you do it over and over and you're spiteful when you do it, yeah, that's not a good look. You know what I'm saying? I believe you have and when it comes down to it, I think everybody should definitely check out Bread of Life for um this Sunday, April 5th, don't you think?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:48

I believe so. That might help you too.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:58

We'll give you the email, bull and jrock at gmail.com, and just hit us up. And if you're a vet, definitely we want to talk to you. Look forward, you know, to maybe sitting up an interview. If you're a family member of a veteran, same thing. Look at definitely being able to set up an interview because the family members, you guys go through all of it with us, you know. J Rock, you know, your wife and kids, I mean, they they have some of the same troubles, you know, they go through everything with you.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:38

Thank God for that, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:41

Yeah, and definitely the people that you know we we keep close to us, um, we need to be make sure that uh those people know that they're that they're special. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:58

Yes. I believe so. Reach out to Birdalife at JJ at gmail.com or Bull and and J Rock at gmail.com over here. Please do.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:12

Alright. And until next week. Everyone be good to each other. And you know, at this time, this time, you know, of the year and everything, maybe try and do something nice for somebody else, you know, even if it's something small, you know, just try thinking of somebody else for a little bit.