When your intuition knows before you do with Jo A Ripley

What happens when you stop outsourcing your truth and start listening to what you already know?

In this powerful episode of The Dragonfly Perspective, Paula sits down with intuitive coach Jo A Ripley for a raw, thought-provoking conversation about intuition, conditioning, energetic awareness, and the subtle ways people disconnect from themselves without even realising it.

Together, they explore the difference between fear and intuition, the impact of living in constant noise, and why so many people ignore what their body and instincts are trying to tell them.

This isn’t surface-level.
This is about awareness.
About learning to read between the lines.
And about recognising when something feels “off” - even when the world tells you it’s normal.

If you’ve ever questioned yourself, ignored your instincts, or felt like there’s more going on beneath the surface, this episode will stay with you.

Because awareness changes everything.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Welcome to the Dragonfly Perspective. This is a space for seeing clearly. Through travel, business, and real life. We explore what's real, what's not, and how to trust your own intuition in a world that often pulls you away from it. These are conversations about awareness, discernment, and building freedom in a way that actually feels right. I'm Paula Fern, and I'm glad you're here. Welcome to the Dragonfly Perspective, where we don't just look at what's in front of us, we learn to see what's really there. This is about awareness, about patterns, about the subtle things that most people miss, but once you see them, you can't unsee them. Because, like the dragonfly, when you shift your perspective, everything changes. Today I'm joined by Joe Ripley, an intuitive master who works deeply with energetics, perception, and self-trust. And this conversation isn't about telling you what to believe, it's about helping you recognize what you've already been feeling, but maybe haven't yet trusted. Because the truth is, most people aren't disconnected from their intuition, they've just been taught not to listen to it. So today we're going there. Hello, hello, hello, Joe. Welcome. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

My goodness, energetics master was that, absolutely. Energetic mastery. It's what I go on about all the time, isn't it? So um, if everybody doesn't know me, you might not know me, you might know me. Um, I have been in my little corner of the internet uh talking about sort of all things spiritual for the last five or six years now, and uh I teach people how to tap into their intuition and their energy to enhance their life. And um, I try I've been training uh psychic mediums now for over 20 years since I was in my 20s, and uh I'm nearly 43. Can you believe it? In a couple of weeks. I'm excited though, because every year is another gift, and uh so yeah, I'm just excited to be here, Paula, and I'm I'm so grateful to you for inviting me on your show. So thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Thank you now. From your perspective, there's lots of talk at the minute about intuition and going into that awareness, and people are turning back to that. I think people are getting sick of being fed what they're meant to feel and believe, but there's also a lot of noise around it, and there's a lot of people that are not necessarily in tune with that intuition in the same way that you or I might be. What are your views on that? What would you tell someone to really tap into to get through all that noise?

SPEAKER_01 3:15

Do you mean as in people the the noise as in people telling us online what to do and what not to do?

SPEAKER_00 3:22

Yeah, but also the people that come in and say, Oh, well, actually, this is how you tap into your intuition. You kind of put all these crystals around you in a big grid and you stand up at the the time of midnight on a full moon and you do XYZ and all these different things. I love a good kind of, I love a good crystal, I love a good full moon ceremony, and I love all that. But I know there's a lot of people that are saying if you don't do it this way, then you're not in touch. And I disagree with that. What are your thoughts on that side of things?

SPEAKER_01 3:53

So, what I my true belief, and I've wrote about this in my book, so it's coming out in September, but in my book, I talk about the fact that um we have what's called tribal behaviour.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

And you've done psychology and I've done psychology, so we know what tribal behavior and what how how that actually affects us. Because we look, we always look around us to sort of establish what truth is. We've grown up in environments and communities where we've looked to the elders, we've looked to people with responsibility, and actually we're realizing now, and this is one thing like I don't know about you. When I was a kid, I always used to like look around me and think everyone's an adult, they must know better than me. And now an adult, I'm like, oh my god, no one's got a shit. No, am I supposed to know it all down? Yeah, why the fuck was I following everybody else? Sorry for swearing everyone, but I do swear a lot. And I I think what's happened is we I don't know about you when we were younger, we were conditioned. So it was like, listen to your elders, do as I do, not as I say, you know, like oh what do as I say, not as I do, or whatever they say. And it was like we were told, you know, you know, your children should be seen and not heard. We we've been conditioned into these roles in societies, particularly women, to be very um sacrificial in how we do things. So it's like everybody else is more important than me, but also there's there's an element there of don't trust yourself, and so people have gone out looking everywhere. So they get this call, I call it the call, and you feel it and you know that something's not right, but you're looking for answers, and you could you don't know who you're gonna find on that journey. Yeah, it's just like anything in life, we don't know, and because we've got this tribal instinct, this crowd instinct, it's like it can be for the good and the bad of society because if you find the wrong group and then it's hard to leave, or if you find the right group and you really thrive, well, you don't know, do you, until you've joined that group. And we see a lot of I was watching something about cults the other night. I'm really into all these, you know, things, and and you see how people get brainwashed and then they can't leave societies. And I actually think we're in that society now where like people are like, well, you've got to be in one camp or another. And I'm I'm the sort of person, I'm very free free thinking, and I encourage everybody that comes into my world to do their own thing. I always say to everybody, find you'll find your way. Like it's not about me saying and indoctrinating people, it's about people coming back to that normal, natural like instinct that's inside of us. Like, why do the birds know to fly and leave at a certain time of year? Yeah, why do animals know they know this stuff? Yeah, and we've disconnected from it because of tribal behavior, it's tribal behavior that says, Oh, don't trust yourself.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

Yeah, as a human being, we're all looking for that sense of belonging, and sometimes we will look in the wrong places for it. It's like I've worked with with people that have been in domestic violence situations, and I know you've done the same. And no matter how much someone on the outside of that is saying, look, this is not okay, this is not what you should be going through. There's a lot of brainwashing, like we've mentioned, there's a lot of conditioning, and people still like even when it comes to groups rather than individuals, you want to feel like you belong somewhere, everybody. That is what we all as humans strive for. But I think on the back of that, we have a an instinct for for survival, which is the the fight, flight, um, and all the rest of it. And we'll yeah, and we'll and fawn, yeah. I do I do loads of stuff about this, and I couldn't even find the words, so there we go. But we also that comes into play and we fall into one of those categories, and I I think you're totally right. I think people have kind of been moving in such circles that they think that's the way that that that should be. And I know from working with you directly, Joe, you teach people that is it? Is that it? Is that the only thing that you can be, or can you be multiple versions of that, or can you move somewhere else? And I think that's what people are wanting right now.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

I I worry about people being stuck in these loops. Yeah, you see people get stuck in these loops, and I think you know, like when we talk about the the spiritual communities, and I don't want to be down on it or anything, because I think a lot of things everything we know from NLP, everything has a good intention. So I believe that. I believe that all the healing modalities and all the things that are coming out of the spiritual communities, I think they do want to help people. What the thing that worries me is the trauma loops and what you talked about there about people going back into cycles, people get stuck in loops, yeah, because we're really good at it, like neuroplasticity, like we're good at choosing the wrong road over and over and over and over again because we know how to do it. And I teach because I'm an advanced clinical ethnotherapist, aren't I? Like, this is my jam, worked in mental health for over 20 years, and one of the things is when a lot of the stuff um that we do in in in my world and with people around me is is decondition them. And I'm deconditioning myself all the time. If you look at human design, it talks about deconditioning. It's the fact that we're taught to be a certain way, and then we have to undo that, and we have to keep undoing it because if we don't, we won't find the real true authentic self. And the real true authentic self is the only gateway to actual real personal happiness and joy and abundance. Um, and I talk about this all the time that I'm just in a paid-to-exist frequency now. I live my truth in my energetic blueprint, and everything that I want is coming towards me all the time. And I sit, and it's very hard for people to let go. It's like the hanging on, hanging on, hanging on. I've got to do what the tribe says, I've got to stay and do what everybody else is saying to do. And even when people come and work with me and they say, I can't post that on Facebook because I'm worried what people are going to think about me if they say I'm spiritual or that I've I've I've felt something, you know, different, or I wanted to communicate that in some way. And it's like, why can people just not be themselves? Yeah, why can people just not be allowed to just be themselves? And if you know, people want to go and do whatever they want to do, loads of healing, all the rest of it, like that's their journey. Like, let people go on their journey. We we've all been there, we've all had to go on it at some point, you know, and it's not anybody else's place to judge anybody. But I do think what you're saying there about the you know, the loops and the things, the cycles that we get into, they're really quiet, they can take us into negative places, and I see that with intuition as well, because people have distrusted themselves for so long, yeah, it's like I don't know how to, I don't know how to get back to that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

And it's interesting, isn't it? Because even when we do start to go, and this is my journey with you and some of the psychic development that I've done with you, when I do start to trust it, it's like, Are you sure? And it's like said it because the safer option is to think, No, I'm making it all up. But then when I do readings with people and they're getting the reading, they're getting what is expected. I'm telling them things that they've they they know is true, that they've never told me before. And it's because I mean we're we're verging into another area here, but it's always tapping in to my intuition, my guide. Now, this is something that I wanted to talk to you about that I didn't necessarily mention when I um set this up. So this is completely off the cuff, but guides, right? We talk about being in being guided by a higher force. How do there'll be people listening to this that have never tapped into that area of consciousness. So, how does that work for you and what when did that first appear for you? I'd love to I'd love to share that with people.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Okay, so there was a couple of things coming up for me there as well, because I I thought you were gonna say something else. So there you go.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

You go free, it's okay. Say what you like.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

I think I think I we I was just gonna say to you, you know, because I was wondering in that moment if you were gonna ask me where where to find it. And I would say it's always been inside me and it'll always be inside you.

unknown 12:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

And like one of the biggest things, I think I wrote it on my Facebook today, it was about I had to go on the journey to realise that everything I needed was already inside me.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

And it's an ongoing thing, because I mean we're we're battered, aren't we? Left, right, and centre in this modern world that's so fast and so furious, we've got stuff coming in at us at all angles, and it's an ongoing journey. It's like you you're never gonna reach the pinnacle of that journey because we're human, you know, but we can keep striving and keep moving forward and around all of those barriers and blockages as well.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Yeah, and for a lot of people who want to lean into their intuition, there's a lot of barriers in terms of like societal norms and like the fact that we're still that seen as outsiders, and that need to belong is is very powerful. And so we I mean, I one of the things I was thinking about, do you remember we all know COVID and the vaccines, and I don't want to bring it all up again for people, but we saw people sharing their views and other people really being so aggressive, and and this is what I've encountered my whole life for being an intuitive because I've been like this since I was born, but I had a I was in a drowning accident when I was six, so I I you know I lost consciousness and I I connected with a higher power and I realized I was just in complete bliss. People think they know love, but it wasn't love, it was beyond love, it was bliss, and and and I can't even describe it because it felt so heart expanding, um all-encompassing. I was everything and nothing, what I call um basically like uh it was a divine dictatomy. I was everything and nothing all at once. Wow, that is so powerful, and I've had that experience a few more times since where I've become everything and nothing. Yeah, and I'm like, wow, like we don't actually really know the higher power. Like we call it God, we call it all this, but like when people say we're gonna go to the quantum, and I'm like, You're in the fucking quantum, like get a grip. Oh, we're all the quantum, even the table's part of the quantum, you know, everything is in the like the higher power is everything, and that's why everything's got an energy field, everything was created, cannot be destroyed, and it's replicating itself. Uh, one of the things, and I don't know why it's coming into me to say it. People say all the time to me, like, oh, such a funny nick my idea or whatever. And do you know it's so funny because the way I see the quantum like replicating itself, and it's just doing it so fast and so fast and so fast, and so it's growing at such an exponential rate that like we can't keep up with it. And so I'm like, Oh, don't worry about that idea because there's about a million more behind it. If you just meditate every day, like you're just gonna get a million more. Yeah, people have come along and like pick little bits off my world, and I'm like, it's all right, don't worry, they've got an endless stream for me.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

You know, it's being in the trust frequency that makes a massive difference because there's so many that will publicly kind of say, Well, someone stole that idea, and I know this is something that has happened for you in the past a few times now, I think. And and yeah, but I know I know because we've been in each other's worlds for quite some time, and I know the very first time that this happened, you were really upset and hurt. I was, but the growth that you have had since then, when you see it happen now, look, I mean, you can't see because I'm not recording it as video, but we're on video right now, and the grin on Joe's face is just like, I know that there's more to come from me, so it doesn't matter. Um, it's not a nice feeling, I guess. But is are you past that? I guess you're past that.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

I I really feel like it was it was part of my ego journey, and I actually, you know, I feel like not like we always say, it's a journey, no one's gonna get this perfect. And even when I was training some of the girls the other day, and I'm like, why can't and I'm like, don't be hard on yourself. Like it's sometimes we have days where we're just not, you know, and and I teach that that we are we come in, like look at the diamond, it's got little flecks in it, like every single we've got flaws, right? But they're still beautiful. It's okay that some days we don't get it 100%, like what quote unquote is right, like what the fuck is right anyway? Like, tell me what that is. Like, I believe we go on these journeys and we have to do certain steps, and it's uncomfortable. And now I'm like, well, if someone takes it, I'm like, well, it was meant to be theirs. Like, go take it. Like, if you need that, go take it, do whatever you need to do with it because it was meant to be for you. Obviously, you found it at that point. And I was just meant to, it's a bit like going, no, you can have my old jacket. I've got a new one coming tomorrow from Berry or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

Oh, this is awesome. I love it because I have the same kind because I have a travel business alongside the different sort of therapies, quote unquote, that I do. I have a travel travel business as well, and I have a a team of people within that travel business. And one of the biggest conversations that we have continuously is that person has gone to someone else to talk about the business that we're in, and I don't like that because I feel like I've missed out. And I'm like, please don't worry. We've got a whole corridor full of people that are swarming to us. You don't let that go. And how would you say to someone that is in that position to what's the like that's really deep in that like hurt and anxiety and and sort of frustration that someone is doing it through him? What's the first kind of process that you would take them through to help them just release it and let it bounce off them?

SPEAKER_01 18:18

I wouldn't even release it, I'd just say allow yourself to feel it.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

Yourself feel it. You've got to feel it to heal it, as I always say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm an emotional authority. So I really, if I hurt, I really hurt like in human design. And so I have to express it, I have to, and I was always repressed as a child. So, you know, people used to say, Joanne, you're crying too loud, or you're being too noisy, or always I was always because I'm very flamboyant, and I'm very extrovert, but then I'm very introverted at other times as well. And I don't think, you know, what what you might call an ambivert, but I think we have to acknowledge that not everyone's process is going to be the same for managing anything. And that's why I really feel that people have to feel it, and then it's part of our being able to go, well, that's painful. What is that about? Like, is what part of me is hurting? What part of me is trying to protect me? Because it's protection, isn't it, for self? And it's like, so for me, when I was going through that, and you've seen me go through it a couple of times now where people have took things, but it's been easier every time, and it's almost like the first time you get an injection, you're like, Oh, I don't want to. And then, like, by the time you go now, I just go the I just get my arm out and I go, right, go on, inject me. I'm not looking. I think the whole thing of like our own um conscious awareness of how we process pain is really important, and I really feel like, like I said, it's for everyone to be different. But what I'm gonna say is what is for you will never ever pass you by. And it doesn't matter if that's joy, if that's happiness, or if that is pain, because it's all abundance, it's teaching you something, it's giving you something, it's giving you wisdom. There's wisdom in every journey that you can never ever you you can't you can't talk about it until you've walked it. Yeah, I've had to walk some really hard paths in my life, but that means I'm a fucking awesome teacher. I know I'm really good at what I do. And if I've got someone sat in front of me and they say someone's nick told me stuff, I've got I can I can feel it with you, right? Let's be in the moment because I know I know how awful this feels, you know. I'm I'm having a little laugh now to myself because I can laugh at my younger self because we've been like we're like five, six years on now. Yeah, but actually it feels you don't it just feels like yesterday, doesn't it? That we met like what was it six years, five years ago, and then not long after we had all this, and yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that's like a little baby version of me.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

Yes, I feel that I could I could see that in you because it's like you've grown up in that time, even though you were already an adult back then. It's like because you've got that awareness, that knowledge, and now you've you've gone through that journey. And I can completely understand when you're having a conversation with someone that's going through similar, it's like you you do totally get it, and you've got wisdom now to pass rather than being younger. I get it, totally get it.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

Sorry to interrupt you there, but like you've got a spiritual teachers as well. There's a lot of like I've had it before where people project stuff and they're like, you should know better, you're spiritual, you shouldn't be like letting your ego on the show, you shouldn't, and there's a lot of shoulds there, yeah. And I'm like I was born a human being, a human being just like everybody else, just like you, right? And nobody, I'm I'm gonna say this, right? There's a lot of like guru shit out there, and it really does piss me off. And it's like, oh, they're the this, they're the I I'm a teacher, yeah. It took me a long time to acknowledge that because I didn't want the label, and I didn't want, I'm not really into like accolades and all this shit because people have tried. Give me awards. I said, I don't want them. I don't want your awards. Actually, it's all ego. I don't care about it. But actually, some people they they they put people on really high pedestals and they're like, but what happens with all that sort of stuff? You get a lot of I don't know, you just get people a lot of shoulds. You should be this when that person doesn't do well, like the worst environment to be in is the one where people say, Well, you shouldn't feel like that. You shouldn't be. And I I think that's really that's a really bad place to put somebody in because we shouldn't really say shouldn't we shouldn't be telling people how to feel so it validates everything that you're going through?

SPEAKER_00 22:41

It it's basically saying that you're you should you shouldn't be feeling that so it's not real. And I think you've got to be able to feel the stuff. It's like a little comparison. I talk about this when I talk about my mental health journey because I was medicated for over 20 years of my life for depression and anxiety. That medication, and this is my story, not everyone's, but it dumbed down my emotions so much that of course I wasn't depressed anymore because I couldn't feel anything. I couldn't feel happy, I couldn't feel sad, and it's only until I released all of that medication, which was about five or six years ago. That's no coincidence, is it? Oh my god. Um, and I've not been on medication since, but it's not until I released that, and I went through hell after that, but I needed to feel the thing, I needed to feel it so I could become a better version of me. And I think that's a really good point to make.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

I love that. And I remember you going through that. I remember you telling me you were in that was a big decision to make on your side, but we are, I feel like we're gaslit. Yeah, like we live in a society that really gaslights us an awful lot. And we you knew what was best for you. Yeah, and you made that decision. And I'm proud of you from like it's your intuition. That's what I mean by it. It's there, it's inside us. We don't need a guru to tell us, like, it's we've got our inner guru. It's not it's like people talk about it, like you've got the gift. No, everybody's got this, everyone's connected to source, everybody's got an inherent ability to do what that bird knows how to do outside. It trusts itself. That's the only difference between us, and like I actually think the animals have got it better than we have because they're like they're just living their little lives.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

They don't have anything distracting them that's gonna take them down another path. So they do have it better than us. We need to stop the distractions and just focus on us. Now, I know that we could talk for hours about this stuff. What I would like to, I'm gonna be wrapping up soon, but what I would like to know is where we can find you, anyone, any new listeners, and what you've got coming up.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Okay, so um what I've got coming up is uh in the next few weeks, we've got Paid for Your Power, which is a program, it's 30 days, and it's in Telegram, and there's some amazing executive coaches coming in to help me run this program. Uh, we've got Kerry Boland, we've got uh Nairi Sise bringing um uh quantum governance and risk, which I'm really excited about because Nairi's never been really out there. And she's one of the people that's been with me for a long time, and I'm just really excited because she does all my quantum governance. Um, we've got Michelle Lowbridge, who's an incredible healer, like one of the best healers. Um, and who else have we got? I've got Susie Sprig, who's like the queen of like networking. We've got loads of really a really cool lineup for £37. I'm gonna be dropping in some real gold every day. And it's about um sort of sales and marketing and and identity. So I'm not teaching anyone business, but it's see, a lot of my work, one-to-one work, is about identity, it's building the identity of the person that gets paid for your power, basically. So, like if people don't know me, I have my own intuitive authority academy where I teach people the intuitive authority method and all the other methods and all the other things that we learn in there, and that um I've got E3 in there as well, which is uh an emotional uh part of the program, which is for regulation and bringing any issues that are coming up around building your business if you want to do that. And some people don't even want to learn to do business, but we've got that, the academy, I've got paid for your power coming up, and then obviously I've got my book coming out in September, and we've got a really big book launch coming in the October, and I'd love to see as many tickets sold as I could, um, if possible.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

So I'm asking you if you'll share some call if we can. I will absolutely be sharing that because I'm it's just incredible what you're doing. And you know what? It's not it's not just about the success that you're having from that, it's about the lives that you impact, because you've impact my impacted my life uh life over the time that we've known each other, and I know there's lots more to come because I still work with you in a few different ways, but it's about being able to share that with other people because other people need you, Joe. They need you in whatever capacity that might be because you're waking people up to themselves, which is a similar thing that I'm doing in terms of mine's more behavioural rather than the intuitive, but it it kind of overlaps, and it's so important that we're doing that because we need to be in touch with that.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Yeah, we do, and you know, this this like you say, we could talk about this for hours, but the one thing I think I wanted just to if if I can just like get one thing across before we go, because I think this is really important for intuition building because people are afraid that they don't know what it is, and they're afraid that it's is it anxiety? Is it that you know they don't know the difference? And I want you to know you'll know where it is because you'll feel connected to something bigger, and when you feel something connected to connected to something bigger than you, or you feel supported by a higher power, it really does change your life because you make different choices and it feels calm. Find that calm place within, and you you won't go wrong. If it feels rushed or hurried, take a breath. Don't ever be forced into making a decision. Some people need time. I'm one of them people, I need time to make decisions. Um, and you know, we're not if it doesn't feel right, just step back, give it you're allowed it. You wouldn't don't have to be gaslit into decisions you don't need to make or rushed or hurried about anything. Take a breath, give yourself space and lean into that trust feeling, and it won't feel heavy, it'll feel light, and that's how you know it's different. Is that okay? Because I just wanted to share that with people.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Yeah, and it's just that's that's groundbreaking for those that are on the fence and on the edge of finding that because you've you've talked about it so eloquently, and when you get to that point, you realise actually this is where I did um see, we're carrying on talking, and I couldn't play honestly. I did a newsletter on LinkedIn the other last well, the beginning of this week. I was shopping on Saturday, went out of the shopping. I was in Asda, went out into the car park, and it's usually a really busy place. But you know, when you have those moments where everything is still like the cars stop, there's no one around, even though there were cars in the car park, it was still a busy Saturday. But all I could hear was the birds in the trees, and for that moment, I was just I mean, I was in gratitude because it's like life is so busy, I've got four kids, I've got businesses, I've got all sorts of stuff going on, and just having those moments will give you uh just a little bit of insight into where you not need because there isn't a need, but where you know you want to be. That stillness was it's so beautiful. Have you ever had something like that happen to you?

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Oh my god, so many times, and I've got it now. Yes, I've got it now, and that's that's the that's the work. You know, someone tried to say to me the other day, when do you do your work? I said, I'm doing it all the time.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

You don't have to label it, you just have to flow in that kind of way. In a sports show, yeah, absolutely. Okay, and this is the kind of conversation that doesn't just land in your ears, it lingers because awareness isn't loud, it's subtle. It's the moment that something clicks like it did for me in that car park, and you realize you've been seeing it all along. The dragonfly perspective isn't about giving you answers or bringing people in that will give you those answers, it's about helping you see differently so you can choose differently. And if something in this conversation made you pause or question or feel a little bit of that quiet that we've talked about, that's not coincidence, that's awareness. Knowledge is power, awareness is freedom, and when you start to trust what you see and feel, that's when everything begins to shift.