Ep 20: Podcast War?! What Tonight’s Conversation Taught Us About Business Ethics

In this episode, we’re breaking down the drama from The Tonight’s Conversation Podcast and the bigger lessons it teaches about business.

Can you really mix business with friendship? Too often, people jump into partnerships without understanding contracts, roles, or the risks—then act shocked when things fall apart. Are people actually reading what they sign? Can friendships survive business conflicts? And when money is involved, do morals and ethics still hold weight? Let’s talk about it!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:30

Hey, hey, Mom Panors. It is time to huddle up. We are back in the huddle. Welcome to another episode of the Mom Panore Huddle Podcast. I am your girl, Tammy Capri, the Mom Panore mentor, and I am here with the lovely, the beautiful, the gorgeous.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

Toya, the stay-at-home mompreneur. Tammy got me over here blushing. Thank you. Yo, the rosy cheeks with the match the rosy red hair.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

I love it. What's up, boo? Yo, I gotta tell y'all, we don't plan this, right? But it seemed like every time we come in here to record, we we we coordinate something. We coordinate. We coordinate. We coordinate. When she stepped out the car to come into the studio today, I saw the black pants. I'm like, yes, toy. Yeah. That's how you know. It's our chemistry. It's the chemistry we got. That's how you know it was meant to be. Black is sexy. Yes, it is. Always. Always. Always. What's up with you? How was your week? I had a good week. I had a great week. Yeah. What about you? Um, my week was very productive. It was trying. Um, I did I did uh do my seven-day detox, my um mind detox this week. So um it was productive, but um I did take a step back for that detox because I like to do that to declutter my mind, to refocus and get all of the clutter out. Um, because you know that can weigh on your decisions, that can weigh on your confidence, it can weigh on a lot when you hold in too much. Um, so yeah, I make it a habit of trying to do that at least once a quarter. If not once a month, I'm not as consistent as I would like to be. But uh my goal is to definitely get extremely consistent with detoxing my mind, um, going on uh the solo sabbaticals, um, just doing things for me, you know, outside of um just relaxing in the house, but like really getting those spa days in. I think that matters. That matters a lot, especially when you're with the kids all week, all day, and your business is just a lot. A lot. What do you do you do stuff like that? You go to spas?

SPEAKER_01 2:33

I used to back when I just had my one, my oldest. Um, but I would love a spa day, and I would love to do more of that actually. Or not even just a spa day, doing something for me, like maybe picking up a hobby. I love picking up a hobby.

SPEAKER_02 2:50

Like what you want to be out there gardening or something? What you wanna do?

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Just like my hobby will probably be something fitness, whether it be take up some dance classes or like yoga, or Pilates or hot yoga, something. Something I that's what I've been marinating on lately. Like I need to just kind of get out and okay, hey, Mary.

SPEAKER_02 3:08

Yeah. Yeah, I was. I thought you were gonna say like you wanted to be like um a gardener or something like that. Grow some tomatoes. I want to grow some collard green.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

I love the gardening girlies, like I really aspire to be.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

I think it'll come in handy picking up a trait, but um, but yeah, that's that's what's up. We we all we maybe I'ma join you on that fitness journey.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Yes, so I've been marinating on just a fitness journey because I did like a 30-day um fitness journey uh or fitness kind of thing. Like a challenge. Like a challenge. I did like a 30-day challenge a couple of months ago. Okay. Um, and I had a few girls come on with me. Um, and I want to do another one. Okay. So I want to do, but this time I'm not I'm not gonna make it 30 days. I'm gonna make it like 14 or 15 days. Okay. Because you can you can honestly see a difference in your body in 14 days. And then, you know, they say it takes like 20 days to form a habit or 21 days to break a habit, whatever it's the opposite. But I feel like you give yourself a consistent two weeks, like you will really, you'll be, you'll be shocked at how and the motivation um comes from the like you say, you do a challenge and other people join you.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

That makes it fun and that keeps people consistent with it. It does. Because we're still in the beginning of the year, and I can guarantee going. I can guarantee you a lot of people who made those New Year's resolutions. I mean, the the ones that are diehard probably still going, but there's some that's like, all right, I don't feel like going to the gym today. Yeah, I don't feel like it. But it'd be that one phone call I get from like a homegirl or one video I'll see on social media that make me say, all right, let me get my butt up and go to this gym. Absolutely. So you do need that communal aspect when it comes to stuff like that. So yes, I I'm I'm down for it. You down here.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

You down. Okay. I'm gonna make some sort of announcement, or you know me. I'm gonna be posting about it. And if you want to join in and you DM me, like I remember I didn't make it like a thing where we have like a link or nothing, but me and a few of the other girls, we were like sending each other pictures and stuff, like today down, like Oh, we need the hashtag. We need the hashtag. We need a hashtag the Montpreneur Fitness Challenge.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

Toyus, Toyous, I don't know. We go we're gonna get it together, y'all. And we we're gonna get Toya gonna get us right.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

I got 24 hours to get it together. Yes, yes, you got 24 hours to get a hashtag.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

Let's get into this episode. So there has been um, there's been a lot of drama in them uh in the social media streets. A lot of drama, just around everything. It seemed like since we got this new president, everything just been unwrapped. It's in the air. It's in the air and it's affecting everybody. Um, one of my favorite podcasts, they kind of, everybody went their own separate ways. Um I don't know if you're familiar with the Tonight's Conversation podcast. Um, and I was, I love their podcast. I love the topics that they have, always talking about the relationships. They was spitting some gems and the different personalities, but um, girl, they they done broke up. They all done, they, they just, and and I'm I'm listening to the backstories and I don't take no sides, truthfully. I mean, because I mean I understand, but the question that came to mind was um, who are you getting in bed with before you even jump into those type of situations? Right? Who do you do you really know the people that you're working with? Or if you guys were friends, do business work out better with friends or better with strangers? Um is people paperwork really legit? Is it really right? Because I've seen a few of them saying that, oh, my husband was sign my paperwork, or I didn't even read my paperwork, you know, like just talking around the stigma about especially black people not fully understanding the situations they get in. And this is way before this podcast situation. If you go way, way back to like music artists, they had people like New Edition, TLC, everybody was in these 360 contracts because we didn't really understand the business of it, right? And the part of being a monpreneur getting into any situation, baby, we gotta understand and know our business. So, um, but first and foremost, how do you feel about working with your friends or starting something with a friend? Or how how do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Um, me personally. I don't think I've ever, I don't, I don't like to mix the two. Okay. Um, I feel like I would like to keep business and personal separate. That's just me.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

Have you ever had have you have you have ever had like a friend or those friend circles where you know how you just just be like, girl, let's start up something, or y'all just be doing something and it just happened to be like a good idea and y'all didn't just take it from there, just it just like growing arms and legs from there. Have you ever been in that type of situation?

SPEAKER_01 8:09

Back at it was a while ago, but I remember when I used to do like party promotions. Okay. And um we went into we had a group of us, we were all friends, we were going in with the promotions. And it ended up being, the party ended up being crazy. Y'all made money. We made money. Um, and when we were in, when we were ending it and we were counting out the money and dividing it up, because we were young then. We was just like, whatever we get, we just gonna divide it up. Okay. Like you said, we didn't have a lot of business. We didn't know the background. Contracts, you know, like people of color, sometimes we struggle with knowing how to set things up. And we started to go over, okay, well, what did this person contribute or what did that person contribute? And I remember one of the guys, he didn't do anything, he didn't promote, he didn't post, he didn't do anything, but you came to the party and you wanted to get paid because your name was on the flyer. And we ended up, we still ended up paying them because, you know, I have a heart, or I guess people had hearts, or whatever the case may be. Can't remember it was so long ago. But yeah, I think from there I was like, I would never really go into business with somebody that I know. And I feel like sometimes my close friends, we just may be close friends because we're close friends. We just might not be business oriented partners. Business partners.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Yeah. And I think like, especially when you're young, like a lot of the creative juices will flow in those situations. But let's say if it did develop into an actual thing, right? Right. And not really understanding how the business should work. So, like you were saying, what did this person contribute? What did this person bring to the table? Y'all don't even know if y'all really made money off of that party or not, because how much did we spend to, you know, to throw the party? How much did the flyers cost to print up? How much time was invested? And I don't know what year it was, but because you know I'm I'm a little bit older than you, but back when, like in the party, the the days when I was gonna party, they were on foot and hanging up flyers. So it was more than just like the social media thing. And so it is a lot behind whose involvement in what, right? So, like, for instance, for like the the Tonight's Conversation podcast, from from what I've known, there has been like like the the main people since the very beginning. You know what I'm saying? And even though it may be one person's idea or one person's um um baby or business, it was everyone who really made that platform, you know. Everybody was little.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

I enjoy I enjoy listening to each and everybody. Everybody was little, everybody played a part at just being real.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Right, you know? So how do you determine or how do you how do you even get yourself into the situation to where now we are bickering back and forth? We had a good thing, now we're bickering back and forth all because of greed, paperwork, and contracts. How do you even get yourself into that situation?

SPEAKER_01 11:16

I feel like it's important to just know what you're going into. And like we mentioned, people the color, like when you're going into something big, you gotta have all your ducks in a row. You have to. You have to, you have to do your part reaching out, getting lawyers involved, getting uh your team together to reread or contracts and things like that. And then you have to pray, number one. You have to pray for that discernment. Because just because somebody has a bright idea and a large platform are gonna pay you so much money and you get to quit your job or you get to do this, doesn't always mean it's for you. Right, you know, right, but I do feel like it's still a learning curve, you know. And I I feel like when something like this happens, you have to take the good out of it and just go with that because like I said, I think everybody on the podcast was dope. And I feel like everybody has like people, people, people have um, each one of them have grown their own community and their own fan base. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

So they're gonna be able to be but that ain't the point. You said you said um take the good out of it, look at the positive of the situation, but baby, it's millions. We talking about millions on the table. We can't just walk away and say, hey, I'm gonna take the positive and the good out of the situation. You know what I'm saying? Like, but how do you find yourself in that situation?

SPEAKER_01 12:46

But you have to look at yourself though. Like, even if, for example, this has this is kind of besides the point. But even if I get into a situation and it's typically not my fault, something happens and it's not my fault, it's out of my control. I'm always gonna sit back and look at myself and say, what could I have done or where did I go wrong in order for this not to have happened to me? Forget what everybody else got going on, because this is affecting me too. Right. What did I do? Where did I go wrong? Should I have stayed home? Should I have Well, no, not not even not even with that.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

So, so yeah, if it was a life or death situation, um you ask those questions of should I stay home or should I should I should I have not involved myself with this circle or these people? But when it comes to business, um the main thing that I stress and I advocate is for people to understand and know their business and know what they're getting. You do always have. Even when um I'm hiring um somebody new from my team, even if I'm bringing somebody, or I had a conversation with you. We ain't doing nothing past six months. Whatever we're gonna do, we're gonna do it for six months, and at six months, we're gonna re-evaluate. I don't do anything long term, only because for me, I know the type of person that I am, and I know how I would want to be treated if I was in the situation. So I can only treat people the way I know I would want to be treated, and I don't want to be stuck in a situation. I don't want to be stuck in the dead end, especially if I have idea after idea after idea. You know what I'm saying? There is enough success out here for everyone. But that that greed monster, when it gets to some people, and this is why I say you don't know, like like her, her series, Kita, Kita Rolls series right now that she's putting out on uh on her platforms is who the F did I work for? Because she didn't know. And we just have to do more education behind the paperwork getting into these situations because it don't matter who the person is, it could be my best friend, it could be my worst enemy. But making money don't have, it shouldn't have an emotion or an or a feeling sometimes because we spend money with companies that hate us, right? But we still spend money, it has nothing to do with how we feel. It all has to do with what that contract says. When we go into the store and we pick up that hair product or that cereal or whatever, and we see that price, that's a contract. We see that price, we check it out, we pay for it. That was our transaction. And that's all there is. There's no emotion behind it. But when we get to the emotion, oh, this person's cool, oh, I know he'll never do this to me, or you know what I'm saying? Or I never thought that he would be this way or she would be this way. It's like, no, we gotta really have our ducks lying in a row. I don't care who you are, I don't care who you work. I I would have a contract with my mama. Yeah, and it's not that I don't trust my mom, it's not that my mom don't trust me, it's business first. And I get it in the very beginning. What I tell you, I told you, I said no, before the big money starts rolling in, we are going to have this meeting and we are going to sit down and we are going to get it all out on paper so we know what the expectation is, right? And every situation has an exit. This is this is what we need to teach. This is what I should do. Absolutely. Because people get into situations all the time and not understand that. Um, well, first of all, if your name ain't on it, you don't own you, is there's there's no ownership. If you don't have a percentage or stocks or anything, you don't have any ownership. Even when it comes down to creating the content, but people don't realize um when they're working with photographers and videographers, you don't own that content until you get your transfer agreements, your copyright transfer agreement. If you have a photographer come and take pictures of you, you have to get that photographer to sign waivers, to sign release forms for you to use that and make money off of it, even though it's of you, even though you pay him of that service. Because what does the law say? The law says the creator is the owner of it, and the photographer, the videographer, is the owner of that. So it's very, it's very scary that a lot of people um don't do their research behind the business aspect or even get the help to understand or break down their contracts. Girl, when I before I could afford uh lawyers, I was on Legal Shield. You heard of Legal Shield? I was on Legal Shield, I was sending Legal Shield my document, I pay my $50 and I have the lawyer look over and they'll highlight pinpoint, whatever, and break it down, tell me what it said, because I just didn't know. But I knew I did not want to get stuck into a situation to where it was gonna be bad on my end. And too many people do that. Too many people do that, and I would not want anybody, especially anyone that I've either taught or coached or was around, mentored, whatever, I would not want them to be misled and just go off of feelings, go off of emotions, because the devil comes in all shapes and forms, and everyone is always at this get it for self type of thing, right? But I personally think that um friendships, relationships, any type of ships can be a beautiful business partnership. I personally think that as long as the paperwork is done in the very beginning, I personally feel like you have to get those ducks lined in a row before anything starts to happen. So before your mind is cluttered with, oh, millions is coming in, this is coming in. No, we need to get this defined now. What is your role? What did you do? How are you contributing? And how can you form your own individual brand? So that way it's not just everything that this one situation owns that that belongs to you. You know what I'm saying? Like, people gotta speak up, people gotta set their expectations in the beginning. And I think it's it's it's crazy, unfortunate, that all of this is unfolding in the public eye. Like it it saddens me.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

It's very disheartening, and I hate seeing people. I don't know. I'm one of the type of people that I get embarrassed for people. Like when people go into stuff, it makes me feel some type of way because I don't ever like for anybody. This is this is people's jobs, you know. Absolutely, you know. So you don't know what these people gave up to get on the road and to do this, you know. You don't know what friendships and relationships they lost in order to go do this and then for it to all to unfold the way that it is. It's just so unfortunate.

SPEAKER_02 19:55

It is so unfortunate. But I I'm gonna continue to support um all of the ladies and gentlemen in their own way.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Um I didn't even, I was so late on it. Like I didn't even know about it. I felt so late on it. I'm like, totally, I'm so late, I can't even go. I can't even go to keep up. And I just didn't even want to fog my brain with that. I just kind of wanted to, of course, I wanted to to know the gist of it, just so I I can know moving forward, you know? And it's it's just like you just never know. Like when you're asking, how do you know, or who, or what the young young lady series is, is who that, and she's asked, who did I work for? Like, I feel like honestly, you would never really know. That's why it's important to have the paperwork together, you know.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

And because it don't matter who the person is, you're gonna abide by the paperwork.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

But I feel like it takes that person, whoever is at the top of that, or whoever's idea it is, to make sure they have that in play too. I feel like sometimes people may pray or plot on certain people because they know they didn't they don't have it, right? That background or something that ain't cool, you know, if that's what people are doing.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

Um because you got evil people out here in this world, especially in this business world. There, the the these two worlds business, um, entrepreneurship and corporate, they are some dangerous playing fields. I don't even want to talk about politics politics. I have not, I'm not even in that world. But just in in entrepreneurship alone, in the corporate world alone, like it is too, it's like the devil's playground. Yeah, everyone is out for self. It's so much competition, and you truthfully don't know who to trust. Yeah, right. And as much as like I can try to trust them documents. Trust them documents, there you go. Um, and trust the Lord. I can only go off of me and my perspective, how I'm feeling and how I'm thinking, right? So I want to trust people, right? And I have people's um I have people's best interests at heart, but people won't trust because there are so many, especially here in Atlanta. Girl, we are in the city of scammers. There is so many people that don't have that good intention. So many people that just, I'm gonna get it how I get it. And this is me, this is mine, this is the. Like, I think that you can truly feel it, but we want to give people the benefit of the doubt. Like you can feel when somebody ain't up to no good sometimes. You can feel it's like I'm side eye in this one. It's something about this person. It's something about girl, especially when when when, and I don't want to talk about nobody, but um nothing against nobody on that podcast. Like I said, I ain't choosing sides, but the moment I heard um Mojo Jojo, that's what she call them, moment I heard Mojo Jojo work with Derek Jackson, I was like, oh baby, no. Girl would have ran the other way. Quick. Listen.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

So we gotta make, but you know, I also like when you're in this industry and you're in the limelight more, it's that's sometimes it can be you do one little thing, and people will dig and dig and dig and dig. You do one they going back, they're going back 10 years. One of my no, seriously, one of my pastors, uh, shout out to Pastor Jerry Flowers. He always says, like, people, oh, oh my god, Jerry, uh, Pastor Jerry Flowers, I love you. You're the best. And he's like, Don't fall in love with me. Fall in love with the word that I'm that God is allowing me to share with you because one little thing, y'all gonna be at my neck taking me out. And that's why I'm just like, you gotta, you gotta like when you when you say, okay, I'm gonna put this content out or I'm gonna go on this platform, and they're gonna be millions and hundreds and thousands of people watching me. You gotta go up and you gotta say, man, I gotta. But people, I feel like people on the outside gotta know that everybody's not perfect either. You know, like people, everybody has stuff in their past, everybody has things that they're not proud of. People have grown and learned from things. Like when stuff hit the fan, like just it's hard because there are a lot of feelings involved. There's a lot of personal feelings involved, it's people's paychecks, people get crazy. People lie embarrassing. But I just hate to see it airing the way that it airs because I know people have a lot of things that they just it's not their proudest moment, but I still feel like it's just I don't think we're ever gonna get um, and this is just uh um historically, we're never gonna get grace when it comes to the media.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Like the media makes money off of the trauma. Yeah. Right? We we love to feed off of other people's trauma. We love to to laugh and to make jokes, but but but we are covering or we're we're we are filling a void, or we are um we are ignoring our own insecurities, right? Because everybody that has something to say negative about anybody else has something that they are insecure about, has something that they're dealing with, have something that they don't like about themselves. So we're never gonna get away from the media and having to face your past eventually, which is why you have to be very authentic when you are building a brand. You have to be authentically you. You cannot be nobody else because the moment something happens, or the moment something slips up, or the moment you're caught up in something, you're not gonna have that tough skin. Like, look at look at the Diddy situation, right? His whole past is coming out, and it's like you weren't who you was supposed to be or who you made yourself out to be. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 25:51

And then just continue to go on the path that God has for you. That part. Because when you get distracted or you doing X, Y, Z, but you're this big public figure that everybody looks up to, you want to practice what you preach and you want to be, nobody's perfect, but you want to always move in that direction that God has for you because it can get people gonna look at you.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

Oh you have you have a responsibility. And I know a lot of people may not, I I hear, and this is where this is where social media really kind of messed us up. Um, it was a social media was a good thing to allow a lot of entrepreneurs to flourish, right? To earn income, but there was no training behind the the quick success of a lot of these influencers. Yes, everyone is human.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

It's still not a lot of training behind it.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

No, there's none at all. But um, everyone is human, everyone makes mistakes, but you don't realize that if you have a huge platform and a huge influence, God is giving you a huge responsibility. So you can't just act all willy-nilly because there are people who look up to you and who follow you. But sadly, a lot of people do not get that. They just don't get that. And this is why you have half of the world dancing naked, twerking on the well, 12-year-olds wanting to twerk on the top of a car. This is why you have little boys wanting to carry, they call them burners or whatever. Like, this is why you have that because of the influence that's out there, right? And it's always going to be that there, but there was no training behind like how they used to have media training. Well, they still have media training, but not a lot of the social media influencers go through media training. You'll have um business owners go through media training. I've been through a media training to learn how to interview, to learn how to talk, to learn, you know what I'm saying? Like, they don't do that because it wasn't the expected success. Right. And it wasn't, and when you get there, it's oh, I'm human, I got a life too. I could do you cannot do this publicly.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

I know.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

You cannot do, and it's going to tear you down. And when it tears you down, you're gonna have to face yourself and you're gonna have to face God because you allowed that blessing to slip away, because you allowed these people to follow the devil in the play in the devil's playground, right? I know nobody's perfect, we're not gods, but if you're not trying to get to the most perfect version of yourself as possible, the best version of yourself as possible, then you don't deserve a large platform. You don't deserve, we can't just always crash out. We can't just do that, yeah, right? And I by all means, you have you you have to release it. You have to have um those outlets, but you have to find a safe place to do it because if you're doing it publicly, if you're doing it and you have a huge platform and you got people that follow you, and you got people that you influence, they may take it the wrong way. Yeah, have that person possibly harming themselves because they think the crash out is cool. And what is not cool is the influencers that say, well, their parents should be involved, or I they shouldn't be following me. I'm not a role model, but you have the platform. Yeah, if you truly felt like you were not the role model, or you don't, then stop being on the platform. Stop being on the platform. You can make the money, but you don't gotta be in a line. Like, make your money in silence once you at that. Like, I don't hear nothing from ASAP Rocky a lot too much anymore. Like, but he still got a platform, you know what I'm saying? Like, figure out a way to pivot. Um, and he's fighting the case too. Shout out to shout out to Rihanna and big up to them. And yeah, they was fighting the case. Um, I don't know why he came to mind, but I just had to, you know, say a prayer up for him. I don't know what if whatever, but I hope the best for that situation.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

But um my point is you can live one way, rap, rap one way, have a certain image, but once you get to a certain point, you gotta have those big dogs or those leaders or those mentors that say, hey, all right, let's clean up your image a little bit now. Let's do it because now you got a responsibility. Now you got people that's looking up to you and is following you, right? We gotta, we gotta take responsibility for that.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

It is. We do, and unfortunately, I just wish that like I learned a long, a long time ago. It's like me personally, if I like what somebody's doing or if I like what they got going on. Me personally, I just try to focus on the thing that they have going on because us as humans, we're we're we're flesh, we think in the flesh. When you start to obsess or overly like people, the person themselves, the person themselves, then they're then they'll do something and it'll upset you. But you gotta look at the whole picture like, well, what does she do? The music that she makes or the brand that she has. What what do I like about her brand? Or what did I personally try not to obsess over people because they do one thing or you shouldn't at all? But I but when you have a platform, you have to realize everybody doesn't think like that. People are gonna obsess over you. People do want to be like you. You are who people look up to, you are people's role models, so you have to take that into consideration too, until people develop that maturity. If they never do, they never do it.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

If they never do, because girl, I tell you one thing the barbs and beeha. Listen, and then them that older generation makes no judgmental baby. They don't girl, yeah. They go hard, they go hard. I don't know. And it starts to feel like a cult almost it is the barbs. It's like, what are we doing here?

SPEAKER_01 31:44

I appreciate the people like when I go. I'm I'm I'm kind of contradicting a little bit because I do appreciate the people who go under somebody's post and be like, they could never make me hate you. And it's just like I love that. I used to hate that comment, but now I love it because it's people like no, they could never make me hate you because I love what you stand for. Oh, I love it. So I don't think that's a contradiction, though.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

That's not a contradiction because there's some people in this world that they can never make me hate unless they do something like harm a child, or if they do something crazy like that, then no, you you cut. But there are some people that they can never, like Monica. I love me, so Monica. Who she stands for, who, I mean, what she stands for, who she is, and just how she is as a mom and as a boss, and then growing up in the line, like I love me, so Monica. You can never make me hate Monica. No, I don't obsess over Monica, but like I just think she's a dope person. Her brain is open who she is as a mother and how she is with her children and um publicly going through like the divorce and then the dating and stuff. Like, she is really the average woman, right? Right, who is really showing us this on a higher level of how to have your morals, how to know your value, how to know your worth, right? And more importantly, how to really step into that role of motherhood because at some point it's about your children. Right. So you could never make me hate her, but it is not, I don't think it's a contradiction because, like you said, you are, you like what they stand for. You're inspired by that. But if they do one wrong thing, is no, I'm not, you know what I'm saying? I'm I'm not, I'm not gonna overlook your wrongdoings because you're a celebrity. I'm not gonna, I I truthfully, I stopped listening to R. Kelly.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:31

I I stopped. I know some people say, well, it ain't the music. If we're justifying things, if we're gonna justify, um, and I'm I know the music ain't do nothing to you, but I I don't know if you did this. Um I went down like a rabbit hole with the whole R. Kelly situation. And I was looking up um the documentaries that people were were making on YouTube talking about it and how he was writing his songs and they were referencing little kids. I don't even hear the music the same way. So that's why I said I just stopped. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 34:07

So I do that with certain, like when I re-watch cartoons and stuff like that. And I saw I like even with my kids, because my some cartoons were really, really um vulgar. And then my kids, some cartoons that I watch are still now, like are still airing now. So my kids are growing up on the cartoons that I watch, and I always put my kids on like this with my, but your mind, thank God their mind is not mature enough to grasp. Because then I'm like, I didn't even catch that back then. I didn't even catch it, like you know, yeah, girl same thing with Nickelodeon.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

Yeah, Nickelodeon had like, girl, listen, that whole documentary on Nickelodeon, it had me questioning like my childhood. It's like, wow, it's like you you don't know, like the world was really messed up. Like there was some really like cruel and demonic creators, you know what I'm saying, that that were really sick, that were truly sick. So um, I appreciate those people too that are diehard. I appreciate those people too that will defend, defend you, but I don't like those people who would go the extra mile to threaten if you don't like something, or who can't see. There's some people who can't see when a celebrity does something wrong because of that. Yeah, that is. That's the scary part. That's the scary part. That's the scary part. Yeah, you don't ever, you don't give no one that but God. You don't give no, because nobody is perfect. You know what I'm saying? So, but um, yeah, I I just I just think that we all have a responsibility, all celebrities, all people, all influencers, anybody who has a platform, like like even us, as this platform grows as our individual brand goes, we have a responsibility, you know, and I have a responsibility to always do my best and show up as my best for other moms because I never wanted to be misleading. I never wanted to be like, even if I don't have all the answers, I'm gonna say, well, I don't have the answers to that. That's not my lane. But I'm gonna help you find somebody to figure it out. You know what I'm saying? It's never the case where I'm just gonna get it to get your money. Right. I'm just gonna have you around a penny pinch off of because then the the intention is not there. And unfortunately, a lot of people in business, it gets there, they forget the value of their business, of their quality. You know what I'm saying? There's some people who I feel like got so watered down because the money came into play. And it's like your product ain't even the same, your brand isn't even the same. And these are people that I'm talking about. I I I watched build businesses, you know, and these are not, I'm not talking about super duper famous people, but just regular entrepreneurs that started in the basement and now it's like, oh my gosh, girl, the attitude, the rudeness. I'm like, girl, these people help you build this business. They supported you through this, and you, and I understand building a business is tough. You gotta deal with personality, you gotta deal with backlash, you gotta deal with criticism, you gotta deal with hate, you gotta deal with so much when you have a business because you're dealing with this from strangers, right? You're dealing with this from customers who didn't like your product or try to uh tear your product down, old classmates that you went to school with, and and because they think they knew you back then, they want to bring it. Like you're dealing with so much, and eventually it you're gonna feel like you wanna break down and you wanna just put that guard up. But you have to have that covenant, you have to have that circle, you have to have that safe space so that way you're not bleeding all over everybody else, or you're not giving them back that attention or that snapback that um that they're giving you. One person who's a perfect example of leading with grace, I've never seen Milano D Rouge get rah-rah. I've never seen her do that. And I I I yo, I'll shout her out for that all the time. Especially from Philly, too. I was about to say, especially from being from Philly.

SPEAKER_03 38:11

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 38:11

Right? If a Philly person can do it, I know it's possible because I know how hard and tough that city is. I know, especially from West Philly, especially from North Philly. Like, I know that's where I'm from. But I've never seen her get on camera and go at people the way I've seen other business owners. And I'm like, that's not how you do it. You know how to do that.

SPEAKER_01 38:33

I think humility and authenticity should just always be at the forefront of whatever you do, you know, and then own up to it. You know, like not necessarily like you ain't gotta answer back or you ain't gotta, you know, like respond back, but you gotta have that confidence and say, okay, that happened in the past. Right, you know. And then just always put it out there. If you feel if anything is on your heart where you like, oh, I'm gonna be embarrassed. If this it put it out there, put it out there, put it out there, put it out there. I'm gonna be embarrassed.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

Or if you don't put it out there when it comes, you just, I mean, truthfully, if there's anything in my past that that will come up, I don't mind talking about it, but I'm not gonna be the one sitting in it for five, ten minutes.

SPEAKER_01 39:18

You can sit in it, boo.

SPEAKER_02 39:19

You stay there. I've been all I've been there. Right. I let that go.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

I let that hurt go.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

I let that go. I ain't circle the block, I ain't go back. Like, nah. Like, you can stay there if you like. Here's the key. I'm I got a new key. You know what I'm saying? Like, take it. But we give things life by keeping the attention there.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:41

You know, I see all the time on a shade room when people want to make another post to respond to somebody else's post. Like, why are why do in 10 days we ain't even gonna remember this happen?

SPEAKER_01 39:53

That's what my whole thing is like when things air out about, or when things air out with people who have a platform or well-known people, just give it a couple of days, let it die down. I respect, like you say, I respect the people sometimes that don't even say nothing back because people be waiting. And it and you're gonna have an audience, and people gonna, and that's gonna keep it going, and it's gonna make you more hot. And it's you gonna get the audience.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

Let me tell you what's gonna happen. You gonna get the audience that will follow you for the drama but not support your business.

SPEAKER_01 40:23

Yeah, that's scary.

SPEAKER_02 40:24

You're gonna get you're gonna attract. Ooh, I just got chills. Don't do that for me. Don't do that for me. Because I will respect you if I see your character.

SPEAKER_03 40:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

Right? And this is why I think Beyonce got them supporters that's gonna buy her tickets for $2,500. Now, if she would have, if if she was the type of artist that would respond to everything and get into this, that they're gonna be like, she registered. We ain't paying that much money for her. Like, no, you gotta kind of start positioning yourself and and and understanding that my brand is more important than me arguing with you. My legacy is more important than me going back Twitter fingers with you on the internet. I'm not going to respond. And if Toya, I promise you, I promise you, if you ever see me responding, going back and forth with somebody, you better call me and say, Tammy girl, hey, go watch episode XYZ of our podcast. Remember, you said you mustn't go respond? Check me. Check me. I need you to check me. I want you to check me. I want you to hold me accountable of that because I don't ever want my brand, the brand that I'm working so hard to build, to be watered down by me arguing with you. Yeah. And if you can't see, not you, but the person who got a lot to say, if they can't see, if I'm coming with love or I'm saying, hey, let's have a conversation, and your intentions are still bad, I'm just gonna shut it all the way down because that's not my battle to handle. I'm not talking to someone who even have the capacity to understand where I'm coming from right now. So why would I argue with that person?

SPEAKER_01 42:00

You stuck on, you stuck on.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

You stuck on something, right? Or you're stuck on something within you, right? But because you see another black girl doing something that you probably wanted to do, now always hate and it's critique, and that's you, that's on you. But what I can do, I can help you, I can show you, I can give you advice, but it's just too much pride there to say, hey, can you help me? No, I gotta hate on you. Yeah, I'd rather hate on you than ask you for help. And it's and it's okay, but you're you're not gonna see me water down my brand for a five-minute just because they said something about my kids. I don't care. My kids probably got way more than what you got. Like, I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

You don't know the battles that I fought and what I had to overcome to get to here. So I'm not even gonna, you know, I'm not gonna allow you to take me back to that place.

SPEAKER_02 42:56

Wait, we got growth. We got growth. We got growth.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

We got growth. Oh, I know we got growth, but I know what you're about to say.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

What am I about to say, T, about me? Yo, twin is pop off queen. We got growth. I am Papa of Queen.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

Wait, not too much, not too much. It's about feel like I'm 100% ill, but but you see it here.

SPEAKER_02 43:17

I recognize it. I recognize it and I see it. I'm proud of you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

I'm proud of you because you have a responsibility too.

SPEAKER_01 43:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:24

Whether you know it or not, whether you like it a lot or not, whether you want it or not. Um, and I think we had a conversation about that too. Did we? Was that when we was in my dining room? You said something along the lines. Um, I didn't ask for it though, but oh yeah. Um, you did ask for it the moment you start putting content out, the moment we start getting open. And it's here down. And it's here down. Look at you. You looking good. Thank you. You're looking good stepping and walking into your purpose. Yeah. Right? You don't want to mess that up when you got all these stay-at-home entrepreneurs looking at you like, damn, she got four kids. And she really making it happen. Oh, but here she goes over here in the blocks. Here she goes here running her mouth. And she's talking about Shamar. And she over here with these people and with Miss Netta. And she can't. Yeah, no, we can't mess with her. She ghetto.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:15

You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't want to order down your brand.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:18

You don't. So public disputes, I'm not for.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:24

I'm all for private if we can be mature. Um, and I don't care how much you air something of me, I'm I'm never going to air nothing of anybody. I know. I'm never rebounding. I'm maybe for courts, for the courts, for the lawyers, but I'm not going to publicly put anything out there. I will make a statement and I will keep it moving. If you feel like you got to try to do that, you're putting too much energy to try to prove that I am, that this person is this way.

SPEAKER_01 44:54

God gonna let just like when everything is gonna unfold. It's gonna unfold. So you don't, you gotta sit. My one of my favorite sayings, let go and let God. Let go and let God because when you think you're in control, when you think you you, us as humans, we feel like we're in control of stuff a lot. Or just because we have a phone or we have this, we can go and do that. Let go and let God do it. Everything is gonna unfold.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

Everything will unfold and it will expose itself. Yes, now it's one thing. Um, and I and I love Keter Rose. Like I I love that she has the courage to even speak out about like she speaks a lot about her mental, her mental um illness, her mental disorder. She speaks a lot about that, and I think that takes a lot of courage.

SPEAKER_03 45:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Um, but I also think that she is at a level right now where she could take it and run with it. Yeah, I'm saying she could take it and run with it because she got the supporters.

SPEAKER_03 45:52

Right.

SPEAKER_02 45:53

And even if she did not put that series out, most people already saw what they needed to see because people can do the process of elimination and they can do common denominator. If you got three of the top people saying the same thing or moving the same way, people could gonna start forming their own conclusions.

SPEAKER_00 46:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:18

You know what I'm saying? People are gonna start piecing the puzzle, and something ain't right with Bull, something ain't right with Buddy. I don't know allegedly because I wasn't there, I don't know. But I'm just saying you'll start to see and form your own opinions of whatever. You know what I'm saying? But um, at the end of the day, don't give that person that much power to make you crash out or public dispute and take it as a lesson. Like, yo, I'm not signing nothing until I see my paperwork, until I got my money up front, until I do whatever the case.

SPEAKER_01 46:51

Go ahead and build your team. If you know your team. If you know you have a platform or not even just a platform, I know we keep saying platform, but if you know you have business going on, if you know you want to scale, if you go ahead and get your team together now, y'all. Get your team, even if you like, well, I don't have it, it don't matter. Get somebody on board with what you got going on, like I'm gonna need you when this time comes around, or what services do you offer?

SPEAKER_02 47:15

Girl, even with them though, even with them when you bring them on early on, you gotta still have people really watching them too. Yeah, you gotta have your lawyers watching lawyers. You got paperwork is important for everyone. Because your day one can feel like we see it all the time. We we your day one can feel like, oh, I ain't getting enough money. I ain't making enough. Are you doing the work? Because sometimes it's not about the money, it's about leveraging the situation that you're in, right? Leveraging that platform. Like, girl, if I was on one of them 50 Cent movies, if I was on one of them 50 cents, matter of fact, I I listen, I could act. This is a side note. I'm sitting out there, I can act 50. I don't know if you're gonna see this. I can act. I need to be on one of them uh episodes. I could be uh Monet's sister that comes. I'm coming, I'm come, I'm coming. Listen, I'm Kane Auntie somewhere. Um, but yeah, I I feel like um paperwork, your day ones, and it's never anything personal, it's just the paperwork will will say it all. Paperwork will say it all. So in business, in partnerships and everything, if you don't have the resources to get a lawyer, girl, go to uh I'm saying girl, like I'm talking to you, but Mompreneurs, get you a legal shield, get you a legal shield. Get put the damn thing in chat GPT and say, hey chat, break this down for me. What is it saying? Something, right? Ask people, ask, ask, ask people that know better than you how would be um what what's the right way or what's the right um avenue to take to break this down to read this or who can I get in touch with to read this, or because that is going to eliminate so much headache in the long run.

SPEAKER_01 49:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

So much headache in the long run. And I ain't got time for headache because I don't like wrinkles and I don't want my hair hurting. I don't, I don't. I just want to build an authentic brand with authentic people, make money, help people, add value, make people laugh, you know what I'm saying? And and really just live. Like, really just live in our purpose. Ain't got time for that drama.

unknown 49:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

I ain't got time for that drama. And I tell anybody, anybody I work with, even when it comes to me, like you said, uh that pastor said, don't praise me. Yeah, listen to the word.

SPEAKER_01 50:01

Listen to the word.

SPEAKER_02 50:02

Just because it's Tammy, don't say, oh Tammy, no, get your stuff in order and be your own advocate. Stick up for yourself and ask them for your own.

SPEAKER_01 50:13

Have your own morals, have your own values, absolutely. Form your own opinions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

But it's just it's just crazy. Um, but I I pray that everybody, um, I pray that everybody with that situation, you know, come out on top. Yeah. I pray everybody's situation come on top. But it's definitely a lesson for entrepreneurs. It's definitely um a lesson. Um, I'm glad it kind of happened because hopefully people would see how business can go wrong. Yeah. How and on that level, you know what I'm saying? Hopefully they can see. And 2025, like we we're on a mission to get everybody right. So um if you don't, if you are a business uh owner or if you have a platform, if you don't know what to do, get yourself in a community. Get yourself like right now, leave a comment under this post and say, Hey, I need help.

SPEAKER_01 51:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:15

And say, Hey, I need help. And if it's not help from one of us, somebody gonna see the comment.

SPEAKER_00 51:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:21

Or go find a community for you that you're gonna keep learning because the learning never stops. Because it never, ever, ever stops. Yeah, never stops. But is that is that the same for you? Is is that the same rule of thumb? Like, what if it was a chill, your children? Like when your children get older and they want to be a business with you.

SPEAKER_01 51:42

Hey, they gotta come with it because mama coming with the dot with them documents. Yeah, yeah. Because you go anywhere, like outside of our community, you go anywhere. You they are they have their paperwork together. You have to have your paperwork together.

SPEAKER_02 52:00

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

Keep me in line too, because for my kids, my kids, I don't want to get so personable, personal where I'm like, oh, well, I'm mom and you my son. Like, no, be about your business too, because what we preach and what we what we teach in our home needs to be applied to the real world, period.

SPEAKER_02 52:16

Yeah, I think um when it comes to um contracts and paperwork, when it comes to your kids, for me, um, I think it's more important for me to have it spelled out more so them being in contract with me for the business. Let me say that a little bit better. Because you're looking at me like, what girl? For me to have it spelled out as far as who gets what, who is ownership of what. Okay. If I pass away, this is like have the wills in order, have the so that way nobody fighting over.

SPEAKER_01 52:58

Oh, absolutely, especially when you have a lot of kids.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

When you have a lot of kids, and when you have a lot of kids, and those are other types of contracts that we need to make sure we have that life insurance, all of that stuff. But um, I think just having that spelled out, it eliminates the headache.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

Because the then my baby girl is gonna run through and say, Oh no, y'all ain't getting nothing. This is all mine, my mama. This well, she already asked um is she gonna take over uh Leeche. When I get older, can I take over Leeche? I said, Do you want the business? Do you want the business? She said, Yes, okay. Well, it's yours, right? If you if you if you know how to handle it, it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:35

Come through denim.

SPEAKER_02 53:36

Come through denim. The problem is these kids grow older and mishandle everything I don't work for. Then I gotta come back and jump in the driver's seat, like, uh, get get my ish back. Give me my ish back. But yeah, it is very important. So um what what do you feel like you you need to do or you're missing when it comes to having things in order? Paperwork, like what do you think you need to do? Or did it teach you something? Did it open your eyes up the stomach?

SPEAKER_01 54:06

They just opened my eyes. It it more so opened my eyes because um you just people people gonna be people, man. People gonna be people, people gonna be people, people gonna be people, and you gotta have your ish together because you it just because it looks good and it feels good or tastes good or whatever doesn't always mean it's good.

SPEAKER_02 54:27

You choking. Ooh. Sorry, Toya, it never sorry y'all, it never fails. Hey, hey, Mom Panors. Guess what? As always, we have a sponsor, and as always, the sponsor is Leeche Capri. You can get your Lee Cheek Capri designer bag at Leche Capri.com, L-E-C-C-E-C-A-P-R-I. And make sure you use the code word HUDLE, of course, for your discount. 20% off on the luxury designer bags for the designer moms. Check out Lee Che Capri. All of the links will be in the description. Um, but yeah, so maybe we need to put something out there for the mompreneurs. Um, and I'm gonna brainstorm on it too. I'm gonna I'm gonna bring some.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

Maybe we can have like a class or some sort of one, two, three-step process when you're coming into the entrepreneurship world. Make sure you have this check on this or a checklist. Yeah. A checklist.

SPEAKER_02 55:29

We're gonna put that together for you because I think like it's important to capture these things, especially in the beginning. We're in the beginning of the year. So every month is going to be a momentum. Every month is going to be pushing the needle forward. And um, we're just taking real life experiences and as they're happening, bring things to the light and create an awareness around it. And now that like we see that a lot of people is not up on top of their game when it comes to um business and paperwork. So yeah, um, we got y'all. We got y'all. But um, yeah, I think that um, I think that we'll we'll do that along with the fitness challenge. Yeah, we'll do that. Um, preneur checklist. Um, but other than that, um, I feel like this was a dope conversation again. I did not want to, I don't want to make it seem like that I am making all about another podcast, but I just look up to those other podcasts so much because like we are in the podcast space, and I do feel like um I watch podcasts, just like your creator, you'll watch other creators, and it's just unfortunate when we see that. So um I'm gonna keep everybody on the the Tonight's Conversation podcast, especially my faves. I'm gonna keep them lifted up in prayer. Absolutely. Um, and we all learning from this as they played out in real time. We are all learning from this um experience. So, but shout out to all of the mom peneurs and shout out to everyone who's been subscribing, y'all. Y'all, we hit over 1k subscribers. Yes, we hit over, we gotta celebrate. We gotta celebrate. Me and Soyah, we hit over 1k subscribers, and I just can't thank y'all enough. And I know everybody got this bugging on my Instagram page. Like, go subscribe, go subscribe. Y'all was doing it, so I truly, truly appreciate y'all. Thank y'all from the Mompanor Huddle from me and Toya. Thank you, baby. We do have a lot more things that we got in plan and we got um in store for this platform. So I'm just truly excited that we are really moving and we really shaking on this platform and we got the subscribers and stuff. So um, but yeah, we at 1K now. So make sure y'all like and share and comment and subscribe to this episode. Let us know um how do y'all feel about the whole dispute that's going on publicly, being in um business with your friends, or just being on top of your business and your contracts and your paperwork. Are you really on top of your game? Let us know in the comments. Um, give us some feedback. Um, if you would like to be a guest on the Montpreneur Huddle podcast, make sure you go to the website or you could click the link in the description below. Um, contact Toya or myself, and we will definitely get you here in the huddle with us. But for now, we're gonna head out the studio. We're gonna head on out, yeah. Head on out, girl. Let me just tell. I done failed y'all in this day.

SPEAKER_01 58:19

Y'all, she made herself fall. She just did. She was so excited.

SPEAKER_02 58:28

Yes, but um, it's all good though. It's all good. But we out of here, Queens. Hope y'all have an amazing rest of y'all week. Crowns on, chin up, and make sure y'all rock y'all week. Y'all have a good night.