Episode 13 DWP- ACCUDART Smart Scope Hits the Market!

Cutting Edge Innovation- ACCUDART 

Accudart Founder Greg Leenderts joins the Deer Wizard to explain the new Accudart Smart Scope.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Welcome to the Deer Wizard Podcast, conversation shaping the deer industry. I'm your host, Josh Newton, the Deer Wizard. Through interviews, advocacy, and industry news, we deliver field-proven insights to help producers build better herds. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the Deer Wizard Podcast. Have I told you guys how much I love the innovation that goes on within our industry? Today's episode was a really interesting one for me. We have a great new piece of technology that's coming on the market. It's designed for anybody who uses remote delivery products. I'm joined by the founder of AcuDart. That's the company behind AccuDart SmartScope. It's a system that combines an integrated rangefinder and built-in ballistics calculator to calculate Dart trajectories and display an accurate aim point in under a second. The tagline is simple aim, I click, I fire. The scope also compensates for uphill and downhill shots. It keeps the rifle level. If you work with deer, with elk, exotics, cattle, wildlife, this is a conversation you're gonna want to hear. Let's get into it. Mr.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Greg, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

How's it going? Good to see ya.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Yeah, good to see you. I appreciate you coming on. So I I was uh I was scrolling one of my social feeds and I saw uh this new company called AcuDart LLC, and I was like, what the heck is that? Because I saw a picture of a dart and a target, and um I saw the tagline there, aim, click, fire, and I was like, oh, this is interesting. I started looking down and um I recognized the area, and of course it was it was your company, and so give us uh just a little bit of background on what accudart is.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Uh so we've worked kind of all winter, fall, winter, whatever. And I brought in basically I got tired of the process of you know, when you're darting an animal, you're ranging it, you're looking at a chart, you're changing the air. By the time you looked up, the animal moved, right? So you re-go through the whole process again, and and or you guess, and then you guess wrong, and then you're missing with darts. And so I've been working, we probably went through 20 plus different scopes, you know, to see if we can make something work. And all of them are ballistic um style, range finding ballistic calculator scopes. Um, you know, some of them you got out of the package and you looked at it and like turned it on and went, you know, nope, that ain't gonna work for the people, or you know, that's garbage or whatever. Um, so we came down to a scope we could work with, working with the company, giving us blank um basically blank scopes or whatever, but it ranges the animal and it gives you a ballistic calculator based on what size dart you're shooting and a set. So you don't change the air, you set the air when you go out there, so based on a set air pressure in the gun.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Awesome. Okay, so um give me a little leeway here. It sounds like you're uh an optics and software company. Is that accurate?

SPEAKER_02 3:27

Correct, correct. I don't I'm not making the scopes, I'm implementing the software into the scopes to acumate to a dart gun.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Yeah, that's awesome. Okay, so um I I think about my experience out in the field, and you know, I'm I'm either I'm either I got a range finder in my hand, I got a uh, you know, ballistics chart for uh the appropriate settings for every single dart size and yard range out there, and there's you know, if you look at a chart, I'm familiar with the the new dart x caliber model, which is their gauge CO2 model, and there's 70 settings. So, how do you how do you approach this with this with this setup? What does that look like?

SPEAKER_02 4:14

So in the scope, we can we can put into 10. Unfortunately, at this point, we can only put up to 10 profiles in there. So for the deer world, basically we have a package from half cc through five cc. Um, it'll be like one half cc, um, two one cc's, two one and a half, two twos, two threes, and a five. Um, so the ones that are doubled up, we have two. So, like for a one cc, there is a for a new dart uh X caliber gun, the G2, there is a three-bar setting. So it will calculate out to I believe 45 yards on the three-bar setting that basically your your your crosshairs move is what's going on in the scope, right? You're you're not changing, you know, once you range it and it does the calculations, if it's really close, you know, your crosshairs are high in the scope, if it's way out there, your cross it moves a digital dot to where your end point is. And um, so if the animal is out there further, you want to try to dart, you know, and the other part is too, you know, three bar setting at 45 yards, that's lobbing pretty good. Um, it'll still hit, but if you got wind and other factors, you know, a dart is still a dart, it's not a bullet, right? So a one-inch pattern at 20 yards is you're not gonna have that, right? It's it's still so you can go to the hotter setting if it's further out there, or if you feel more comfortable at that setting, the hotter the setting, obviously, the more dead-on it it is, especially out there a little bit further. So there's two two profiles for each of the most common darts in whitetail or exotic world.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Gotcha. So, like again, I I've just drawn on some of my experiences out in the field. So I load up a one cc dart, let's let's stick in that capture dart size range. So we're looking at half cc's to two cc volumes. Most people can get an animal sedated in that in that range of of volume size for their their RDD. Okay. So I load in uh a one cc dart. Um, most of the time, guys know like the animals about the distance they're gonna be. So they pick their profile, they're going with the the three because it's gonna be sub 30 yards, right?

SPEAKER_02 6:33

Right, small pen.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Exactly. Yep. So they they they literally go out there. Um, what's the physicality on the the gun itself? Like how does it how does it calibrate? Is there a button you push? What is that what does that look like?

SPEAKER_02 6:48

Yep. So on the scope, there's three buttons. There's uh two of them are just up and down, and one is an okay button. So when you when you go before you load your gun, you know, you choose what size dart you're gonna go out to the pen with. Um load the dart, go in the profiles. So you just click the okay button. It it basically says, you know, to go and hunt, basically, or choose your profile. So you choose your profile and then you choose the profile um based on that, right? Are we going into a small pen, or there's probably gonna be a calm dough? We always recommend just go out there first, at least with the lower setting, even if it is a bigger pen and a wilder deer or whatever animal. Um, and it's right there when you get to the pen, then you hit it with a softer setting, you know. Um, so we always recommend going out there with the softer one. Um, but it'll tell you in there, it'll say in the profile, it'll say one CC Dart, three bar setting. So you click OK on that setting, you activate it, and then you go right to the hunt profile. And on the hunt profile, it gives you crosshairs for the uh ranging. And on the I'm gonna show you on the side here. If everyone can see it, there's a cable that comes down to a button right here. I don't know if there's enough light there, but there's a button right here. You can see the cable now coming down. But you can press and hold, you don't have to reach up here. There is a button up here, too. You can push for ranging, but there's a button down here, and you press and hold that button on the animal, let it go. By the time you move from that button down to the trigger, the ballistic calculator already has it figured, and it gives you an aim point to shoot that animal with at that yardage and at that pressure already preset.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

So yeah, that's awesome. Okay, so the the scope is is calibrating everything in real time. You push the button, it's adjusting your crosshairs. You don't have to change your pressure setting. So the animal moves five yards out, click the button again. As soon as you're off the button, you can squeeze the trigger and it it auto-calculates it.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

Correct. And if you hold the button, so like for me, let's say Darton Bucks, sometimes they like to run along the fence, right? You can hold that button on that animal, and they'll sometimes they give you that two-second window, right? Where they stop and look at you. As soon as that animal stops, you let off. And as soon as you go down to that trigger, that site is already up, and you move it up, and you I mean, that quick. That's awesome, which is super handy, super, super handy.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Yeah, no, that's that's slick. Okay, so um obviously there's a lot of uh you know calculations and software that have to be built for this. Uh, where are you at with um dark on models that are able to accommodate this?

SPEAKER_02 9:28

This we have both uh Xcaliber uh CO2s, the G1 and the G2 are both profile. Um, the Dan eject um the green model.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

Oh, the J J M standard.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

There we go. We have it for there. That one is profile. And um this week we're trying to finish up before Nadifa, we're trying to get the um 389 um there, and that will run on the same principle, same idea. You'll put in a certain colored dart or um charge charge, yep, and then you'll go to a preset setting when you go out there, depending on what dart you're using. And again, a little bit of that are you in a small pen, calm deer, or are you you know out in the bushes slinging darts at 50 yards? So different profile for that.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Yeah, that that's awesome. I I as you're telling me this, I'm my my wheels are spinning, right? So I'm thinking about all the different applications and and where it's better. And so, like you think about a lot of uh capture work where it's kind of fast-paced intensity, right? Um, we have you know, literally hundreds, if not thousands, of animals that are uh captured on a daily basis across the world, uh that that you know, whether that be from a helicopter, a stand over a feed pile, where there's there's consistent action and movement. And this sounds like an incredible fix for something like that.

SPEAKER_02 10:55

Yes. So on that note, two two nice features of the gun. One is on the side of the um the aim point, you'll see a line aligned to each side. And if your gun is not perfectly straight up and down, that's one thing I've learned. Like you have that gun tipped a little bit, that bullet's lobbing the way you have it tipped. I think a lot of people have been missing because you have your gun and your scope tipped, right? So it shows you whether that gun is is balanced or not, um, which is a huge, a huge, especially when you're lobbing them, right? You're going into a lower pressure and you're lobbing them at them. You have that gun tipped, it throw it can throw that target off a foot. So um, the other part in there, um, in one of the pictures on our site, you'll see there's an arch curve, just like a little U-shape, upside down U-shape or whatever up above. That spot is the highest um point of the dart in that shot. So if you have to shoot below a tree branch or you're shooting, let's say, into a building or what whatever, like if that arch is in that tree branch or in that beam of the building or whatever, then that uh dart is gonna hit it. So you can squat down, you can whatever, but oh that's super cool.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Yeah, I I've I've hit my share of tree tree branches before, you know, because like you don't you don't know what your trajectory is, right? You can't you you have an idea, but like I know for like the way my gun's set up right now is as I go further out, I have a little bit more lob in my in my darts, right? Because it's weighted and I gotta get it out there. And instead of jacking that pressure all the way up, um I I have a little bit of lift, so I'm not you know smashing them at long ranges, and so that that's awesome. Um, so if you see that that arch and there's an obstacle, it'll it'll show you that.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

Yep. Yep. So show you the highest highest apex in that in that shot for that. So yes, you know, the nice you kind of mentioned that too. So a lot of people are doing that. They're they're doing their own profiles because you know, you hit an animal at a further range at a 10 bar setting, right? I mean, that's that's zipping out there, and you get a few more bounce outs. So the nice part is is you know, these come in at a nice soft arc, a little a little softer if you want, you know, on the lower profiles. And man, our even our bounce outs anymore. If if they are if they do bounce out, it's because I aimed in the wrong spot, or or I live in South Dakota. There's this thing called a green. The scope does not adjust for wind, unfortunately. I wish it did, but yeah that that's a factor.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

No, that's that's cool. Um, you know, the other the other thing with um you know getting uh getting an RDD to target with some arc is that you get better absorption of your your your sedative because there's not a hematoma. So if you're not familiar with what a hematoma is, is you know, when there's when there's force directed onto a piece of muscle, it it causes blood flow to swell up, they're swelling at the injection site. So if you have reduced hematoma, you get better inductions of your of your chemicals, and you're ultimately going to get better sedation. So this um this sounds awesome. It sounds like you you've really looked at the situation and really refined the process down. I'm excited to get eyes on this thing and and see it in person here at uh the Nadifa conference. Where can where can people uh find out a little bit more about uh what AccuDart is?

SPEAKER_02 14:38

Uh our website, Acudart LLC, we have going. Um again, bear with me. I'm a farmer. I'm trying to get it professional, you know, and and all that stuff, but I am just a I love doing the like this stuff and doing the work stuff. I am not good with computer and I understand management.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

So uh you guys got a Facebook page?

SPEAKER_02 15:00

Yes, the AccuDart LLC. Yep, correct. Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Yeah, we'll we'll make sure we we link those up in the the show notes. Uh all Greg's information will be there. So if you want to get a hold of him uh regarding AccuDart, um, and if you're at the Nadefa conference, make sure you stop by and and see Greg. He'll be out there um doing some demos. You guys can get hands on you know a couple of the uh the different dart guns, look through the scopes and uh get comfortable with uh a great new product that Greg has.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Betcha. Nope, we will be there. We'll have uh scopes in hand. Um, the other part, uh something I should add too. There's a lot of people that love to dart at night, and the vision through this thing, you know, with flashlight, red light, green light, is as good as you is as good as you can see, however bright that light is that you know you can humanly see the the scope sees the same. So that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

Um I guess the only thing that I didn't ask is where you guys at on pricing.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

We're at 1500 for the scope. Awesome with the program with the program into it then.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

So bolted on, ready to go.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

Yep, bolted on. It'll there's an instruction sheet tell you how to dial it in mechanically, and once you get it mechanically dialed in. If you do have a gun, we've you know we found a couple guns that are a little bit off, you know, whether they have a I don't know, bent barrel or whatever. But once you get the mechanical part aligned, if the other parts, if there are any profiles that are off, those can all still be fine-tuned adjusted in the scope.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Awesome.

SPEAKER_02 16:31

And once it's set for your gun, it's set for your gun, you know.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

So yeah, I love it. I love uh I love uh we'll call it farmer ingenuity when we see these types of products that make life better for not only the people using them, but also for the animals. So kudos to you for for uh making this happen for all of us.

SPEAKER_02 16:51

No, no, I did it for me, and apparently there's people that really want this. So here we are.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

Well, Greg, thank you so much for joining me today. I look forward to seeing you here in a couple weeks out of the Nadifa conference. Um, and as always, stay tuned for another episode of the Deo Wizards Podcast.