Episode 15 DWP- Private Conservation Efforts in the Modern Day

Jarrid Barry, owner of Powder Ridge Outfitters joins the Deer Wizard to discuss what the process is setting up a private property for managed whitetail deer hunting. The conversation shapes what modern conservation efforts look like in high fenced properties and the local benefits are on rural economies along with the native species and habitat. 

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SPEAKER_01 0:05

Welcome to the Deer Wizard Podcast. Conversation shaping the deer industry. I'm your host, Josh Newton the Deer Wizard. Through interviews, advocacy, and industry news, we deliver field-proven insights to help producers build better herds. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the Deer Wizard Podcast. I'm your host, Josh Newton. Thank you so much for joining me today. I am just a touch under the weather cutting this intro, so I do apologize. But in this episode, we sit down with my longtime friend Jared Berry from Powder Ridge Outfitters, right here in Pennsylvania. That's right, my home state of PA. Jared manages a large hunting property and has spent the last couple decades developing that land and habitat specifically for whitetailed deer. And he's doing it the right way. We get into the importance of private deer management, what it really means to take ownership of your land and how tools like high fence can really give landowners more control over how they improve their herd health, habitat, and the long-term outcomes that we all see. But this conversation goes beyond just deer. When you invest in your land through timber work, habitat improvement, fulfillful management, you're not just helping White House, you're improving the entire ecosystem. Turkey's a small game and everything in between. It benefits all. At the end of the day, we're just conservationists. When you pair that with a business model that supports rural communities, you start to see the bigger picture of what this industry can really do. Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Jared, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Thanks, Josh. Glad to be with you.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

Likewise, uh, I appreciate you coming on today. So I was uh I was thinking a bit about um your your property that you you manage and uh your outfitting business that you have, and I I wanted to explore um what that kind of origin story looked like and and how you know Powderage Outfitters came to be today. But before we get into that, can you just give uh the audience a little bit of background on yourself, um, you know, how you got into hunting, that kind of stuff, and we'll we'll we'll dive in then.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

Yeah, that's broad.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

Um I was just leaving her open there for you.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Yeah, uh Jared Barry. Um currently I own and operate with my father, Powder Ridge Outfitters. Uh, we run a hunting preserve in central Pennsylvania. We're about two hours east of Pittsburgh, two hours west of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, kind of somewhat center of the state, a little south of center. Um got into we're we're strictly a whitetail deer operation, uh, whitetailed deer wildlife management, um, but our focus is on whitetail hunting. Um, how I got into hunting, uh, that started. I mean, I think I shot my first buck, uh, button buck when I was eight years old in South Carolina. We have a history in our family of uh hunting, South Carolina as well. And um grew up on our family farms in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania, Southeast Pennsylvania. Uh growing up on the farms, it was uh on our farms, it was back in those days a target-rich environment for a kid like me, me and my cousins, my brother. Um and through just going out with dad hunting, it led to keep it short as I can, it kind of kind of led to the farming practices and then the food plot craze was kind of, at least in my world, was happening. Um, you know, I was 12, 13, 14 years old, really starting to want to do different things around a farm. Like, could I go plant a little clover field in this corner or you know, things that probably didn't uh influence the deer a whole lot since we had hundreds of acres of corn, soybeans, and alfalfa on our farms. Um, but it it attached me to the land, it attached me to hunting those animals. Um, and things kind of just grew from there through high school. I got more serious, uh, more serious at bow hunting um and just learning deer, deer behavior, uh, especially trying to learn more on the land side, the land management for deer. Um skip forward, ended up at Penn State. Um uh school wasn't always my forte as far as some of the classwork, but I was very fortunate to be able to get a student job at the Penn State Deer Research Center, the deer pens, as they were called, um, under Don Wagner, who I think is currently still their their I took that job just wanting to be around deer. You know, I didn't I didn't really know much about you know the deer breeding side of things, the high fence management side of things. Back in those days, I'll be honest, I thought every high fence was a quote unquote 30-acre canned hunt type of facility. Didn't understand the large properties and hundreds or thousands of acres of of ground being managed behind a high fence. Um so at the deer pens, honestly, just working, I tried to work as many weekends as I could um just to keep my mind focused on things I like to do. And uh doing that, I would also study sometimes at this at the office. There was a little trailer that was the office, and actually there were some student workers that it was their housing. Um seeing a catalog for the the deer breeding side of things, seeing a catalog at the Pennsylvania Deer Farmers. Before we was called back then, but it was at the Altoona um the Jaffa, the Jaffa Mosque. The Shriner. Yeah, yeah. The Jaffa Mosque. Yeah um it actually went down. I don't know, it was my first year, second year, went down with with Don, and uh he was selling some doughs to to her actually they were purchased by a ranch within Pennsylvania. And um, so that kind of got my wheels turning. Um, our family, my dad and uncles, my grandfather, my dad and uncles, uh, we were in the waste hauling uh trash business and and farming. And um, we were fortunate that to see my dad and uncle see a lot of success and do the hard work and keep pushing that business to where we not only had the farms at home, dad started to seek out a property that we could um, I don't say call our own, but you know, separate from our the the bigger family. And it was a piece of property we could come, you know. Back then it was we were thinking just to manage for deer, whether it was gonna be recreationally, it was I gotta stay home and work the business, and it was a recreational property, or what it led to be was these ideas around being at the deer pens, like, hey, there's there's opportunity on a private side of things to potentially take a piece of property and actively manage it through deer, deer breeding, you know, the high fence side of things, that we could, you know, if not pay for the property, it could certainly help keep that property in our family long term with uh not the huge amount of expenses, with a return in our expenses, I should say, um, or a return in our investment to go um, you know, pursue managing deer on a private end. Um that led to 2008-2009. We had built our first small uh breeding facility that down in Lebanon County and started uh putting together some genetics. At the same time being at school, I was spending a lot of time at this current property, the Powder Ridge property, uh, which is about 40 minutes from state college. Um and back then I started, we did some clear cutting and some timber management. Um, and it led me to start jumping on a machine every hour I could possibly get down here to do and starting to clear, clear some land to what is now it was the beginning of what is now our breeding operation and also um the 600-acre high fence property that we manage um for deer and for our hunting preserve. Um so that's kind of a short synopsis of how we got here or how I'm here now. Um we've been in we just finished our sixth hunting season going into our seventh hunting season, so we've been at this a while. Um not a while on the hunting side, but the building the property to get here. We've been at it a while and starting to see um you know the fruits of our labor a little bit um here in the last few years.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

Yeah, that's awesome. Um I'm curious what you're uh you know being in college and then kind of finding out that there's this deer research center, which just for context for the the listeners, um that deer research center at Penn State has been there since the 1950s. It's uh I'm pretty sure it's the oldest one in the in the US at this point that's had you know continuous uh deer there for the the entire time. And you know, all of the early, you know, people wonder where these this research comes on, you know, all sorts of different deer products and deer activity and um seeds and you name it, all that research comes out of places like Penn State. They they've done you they have their own test kits for soils and like all that stuff came out of that program, and so um it's incredible, it's got such a long history then and and legacy um in that in that deer world, which we all benefit from. I'm curious though, um what your reaction was when you kind of first went over there, right? You're in college, you're like, I'm you know, I'm a I'm a I'm a deer junkie, I love hunting, love the outdoors, and then you find out like I can go work at this this deer research facility. What was that like? What was there like an aha moment, or were you just like, this is way better than you know, sticking my head in a biology book?

SPEAKER_00 9:55

I get to it was the philosophy book.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

Oh, the philosophy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

And I wish I would have focused a little harder back now, but it it it completely reaverted my focus. Um, I didn't necessarily I started in forestry for a year and then I went into wildlife sciences and lots of great people, a lot of great professors, um, but nothing focused on specifically managing the land. You know, it was if you were gonna go, sorry, that was my dryer. If you were gonna go to to school generally in a wildlife program, it was mostly government jobs, um nothing against that.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

It just was for forestry, DNR, that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Yeah, skiing commission, you know, biologists looking at numbers and population levels and all that, which was great to learn. There was a lot that I learned. Um uh but my focus with the opportunities, thankfully, that I was I was uh had. Um it it might have in some ways took my focus away from certain books that I should have been focusing on. Um but it actually it it got me through college, to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

So you weren't a poetry major.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

No.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

No, I wasn't. I probably shouldn't have even been at a university.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

But no, it it focused my it focused my direction of what I wanted to learn. Um through that, some professors directed me certain ways and certain books that maybe weren't getting in the classroom, you know, especially the land management specifically. Um I grew up on our farms being around equipment, so you know, jumping on equipment and learning the hard way on some of the old pieces of equipment we had here. Uh it um it it it's not really answering your question. I I did fall in love being around the deer, but the idea of what we could do and the opportunities that I I was, you know, had in front of me because of, you know, my dad's business and the properties that we were looking at purchasing, it um it completely reaverted my focus and I knew exactly what I wanted to do if if we can make it work. Um so it was it was a kind of a blessing in disguise where you know I remember sitting on a I remember sitting with a kid, and a gentleman came back from uh went to the army first and then came back to school. So he was probably four or five years older than us, and he had no idea what he wanted to do. And at that point, I had I was I was zoned in, um, knew what I wanted to do. And um, although maybe the classwork wasn't gonna get me there, I knew where to take, you know, my own personal education to get there. And I remember him saying that's you're you're 20 steps ahead. I didn't think about it. I didn't think it was at that point, but certainly it um, you know, long time getting here, but it it did focus me, you know.

SPEAKER_02 12:38

Yeah, a lot of times focus on. Yeah, a lot of times when you're young, you just you don't know what you know, you know what I mean? You're just people tell you stuff like, oh, enjoy your youth, or you know, try to remember this time and don't you know don't grow up too fast. We've heard all those things. And uh you just when you're young, you you know everything and you just ignore a lot of a lot of insights from people that are older than you. But no, that's that's a great point. Um, so when um you know at your at your current property now, so you guys, you guys, what what year did you purchase that?

SPEAKER_00 13:14

Um two years right when did I graduate two from high school I graduated 2004. I think that's settled in 2004, spring of 2004, sounds right.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

Gotcha. So you have this, uh, you know, at this time, you know, 22 years that the the property's been in the family. Um you have this pretty easy access in in college to you know, scoot over there and in in enjoy it, right? And like I'm sure, I'm sure your wheels are just like turning like all the time as you're on this piece of property. How do you maybe walk us through you know where your head was at at the time and like how you how you made uh Powder Ridge a reality um from back then to what it is today? Um I know that's a big ask. I'm just curious what your you know how to do.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

One, I had a huge supporter behind me, and I'll never deny this or never not share this as it was my father. And um he supported me big time and gave me quite a bit of freedom. Um now, maybe I pushed that freedom too much and had to be, you know, readjusted or reset.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

It's just youth.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

We just talked about that.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

But you know, especially on the financial side, you know, what you think and what we can afford what we can reasonably accomplish in the time frame and et cetera, et cetera. And we had our challenges out here with the property, but uh to kind of hone in on what you're saying, um, spending a lot of time on the ground. Uh the the property as a total is just at one time of purchase, it was just over 1,500 acres. You know, we sold a little bit to some add-ons, to some neighbors, but it's around a 1,500-acre block of one continuous block of property. Um, so getting on the ground and just learning it was a huge part of that, hunting it, learning it. Um and then it kind of molded into okay, it's rolling hills, rolling ridges. Like, okay, we if we really wanted, in my mind, if we really wanted to do a high fence scenario, um we got to put a bunch of food sources on here, uh, openings, whether it's native, uh, native fields for native habitat management, whether it was food plots, well, not weather, and food plots. Um, so we started kind of walking the contour, knowing you're gonna be generally poor soil. So it's gonna take some work, it's gonna take some learning on how to make that work, but started to develop just a lot of it by topography and being limited in the space that we could use. And then um once you kind of had a a vision of I kind of created a vision of you know, this food plot, like you know, I'm by some of the ones I have, you've been on the property, you know, the names of them or whatnot, but you know, this is gonna be the Coons Hill field, this is gonna be Mountain View. And we just started laying it out on a map and start, I started walking it. And then the next step was uh bringing in Foresters and or a timber company in Forester and um kind of telling them our plan and and we did some clear cutting to create those fields. Uh, we did some timber management to create the native browse and to manage our timber long term. And then also essentially that came down to walking where we wanted to put the fence line and and cutting, you know, working the project of cutting our fence line so we don't have to worry so much about trees falling on the fence, but also into our timber management and into our land clearing for the food plots and wildlife openings, however you want to call that, for food sources for the deer. Um, so that was the land side of it, getting the land ready of it. Um that that was the most fun part, honestly. Um, you know, I I still am doing that today, whether I'm expanding those fields or we're looking to hopefully expand our current operation into the future on the same property, but more acreage included in the high fence. Um so it basically developed from that, um, getting the property ready for deer. And then um, but then also simultaneously on the genetic side, um, building out a breeding facility that we could start to supply our own preserve and supply our own genetics uh in into this property. Um because you know, in our state, you well, I think in most states, the there there's a separation. The the deer in our the deer that were in either the wild deer had to be removed or or paid for um once you enclose a piece of property before you can then get your permits from the Department of Ag and start to uh work on the genetic side of things. So um, but boots on the ground was a big part of it. I mean, years of learning, you know, first couple years getting lost and just following a creek to hopefully end up you know down as a railroad bed on one side and the other side. So, you know, it um a lot of that, a lot of boots on the ground and a lot of dream, you know.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

Yeah. Um so when you when you get into these, uh I'm curious on the the timber projects, because like you know, you're you're right in that Appalachian mountain chain, right? Like that cuts pretty much right through the the center of of Pennsylvania. And and for anybody that's not been to PA, a lot of the comments when somebody comes and like visits my place, uh, which is similar topography to yours, is they're not used to all the trees. And so 68% of Pennsylvania hat is covered in trees. Um, the southeast has a lot more fields, uh, but like this is timber country. So I'm really curious on um, you know, a lot of the the species that you found and how you look at timber management on you know a large track of ground like this uh for the long term and to also kind of meet your your goals of what you're trying to do. What does that look like for you?

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Uh I was fortunate to have there's two specifically I'm thinking of, and I and they worked for the companies that did the timbering forest, but the two foresters, uh leaning on their expertise was um leaning on their expert expertise was huge, but also they were able to understand a vision that we had. Um this wasn't I didn't want to come in and high grade, which take all your best, leave the rest. Um we wanted a long-term viability from a timber standpoint, but at the same time, certain cuts or certain areas, we said, hey, we we could we could thin out a little heavier to then create the undergrowth, to create the browse, to create uh regeneration in our forest for the benefit of our deer. Um not to overbrowse it, but just to create massive, you know, not massive, but 100-acre cuts or 150-acre cuts every six to eight, 10 years to where, you know, that that timber is now creating hundreds of pounds of acres or yeah, hundreds of pounds per acre of food uh for our deer and for the wildlife and for cover, etc. Um, from a species standpoint, we're mostly a mixed hardwoods. Uh there was a lot of the old, there was at least four that I'm maybe five old farmsteads that were on this existing property. Um, a lot of what I what I was told or assumed through old maps was old pasture was planted into uh Virginia pine, red pine. Um not I'm not that's where the expertise of the foresters comes in. Um I knew most of the hardwoods, but they were pine plantations that were planted, I think, as a government grant type program back in the day. Um so those were anywhere from 40 to 60 years old is what we thought. Some were starting to have a little bit of disease issues and fall down. And so we those those old farmsteads, we clear cut quite a bit of that, not all of it. Um, some of that has been turned into our fields, some has been managed to just be regeneration or a lot of spraying and of invasives and whatnot to get it to that point. But um uh lost my training of thought. Oh the um so yeah, we just we just we looked at what was here now, what was the best for it in the future, but also we need some return um to help us pay for some of the projects that we're looking to do to move forward and to pay the mortgage to pay the property. Yeah, um, so it's it's there's such a combination of things that I gotta think of. It's not just one goal, there's many goals that we're trying to work into uh to any any project that we do. You know, I'm looking at doing some projects here in the next couple of years from a timber standpoint, and um there's different goals, and you know, some of these stands of timber aren't all the same age, not all the same uh structure. So that's where the expertise of the forester could help me blend our goals with what they think is best for whether it's return or you know, a financial return, or if it's uh long-term health and viability of that timber stand, you know, for 20, 30 years, 40 years down the road. Um, yeah, so it's it's it's a combination. Of things when I'm looking at the timber. Yeah, gotcha. It all usually comes back to the deer and the wildlife. The deer pay our bills right now, but um uh the deer and wildlife.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

Yeah, it's interesting because um I I think uh people have a uh preconceived notion of what um you know what happens on a ranch like this, right? And you know, there's obviously a heavy focus of of of making sure that the deer have the best habitat, but there's there's secondary effects to creating this habitat. Can you speak to the benefits of you know other wildlife?

SPEAKER_00 22:37

Oh, I'm I I mean managed well and not overrunning our deer herd, not overpopulating our property with too many deer. Um you see the benefits. So, for example, some of those old farmsteads were covered in uh autumnolive, privet. Uh Japanese barberries is a big one in some of these bottoms that we have, which is terrible, no the barberry has no value for animals. The privet and the automolvet, it has some value, but it's it's considered an invasive species. But it was also planted as part of some of these old conservation programs, I don't know, 40s, 50s back then. Um, so I don't get rid of all that, but I do try and manage that and not let it take over. But by by removing some of these species and creating some of these openings, like last night I was finishing a project um we were talking prior to the show that I call the um we call it the farmsteads, an old farm, one of the old farmsteads down the bottom. And uh that's right now about three acres of of a native wildlife opening, native plants, etc. Um, and there were four woodcocks that starting to dance and sing their songs and do their do their mating rituals right now. Um, but the woodcock, the grouse are having a rough time in general. We still see a grouse here and there. Um, but the bears, the turkeys, the songbirds, um the songbirds are off the charts from my knowledge, you know, from what I see in the spring and the migration. Um overall, good management helps all helps most things, you know. And there's still some pockets that we we're I don't want to say old growth because we're not near that age yet of true old growth, but there's some pockets of our timber that um, you know, as long as we can afford it, I don't plan on touching in my lifetime, maybe maybe, you know, maybe 30, 40 years down the road. But uh um so leaving a diversity of of timber stands um certainly helps. But also, if you don't do anything with your timber, and just say we came in and we wrapped a fence around the 600, the the current 600 that we have fence, and that includes our breeding. But um if we just wrapped a fence around it and left the timber and we didn't manage any of that, you'd have seasonal food sources of maybe mass crops, but um you would be relying on feeders and feed. And while I certainly use supplemental feed, I personally consider it a failure on my part if I have to rely on supplemental feed to keep a viable population of deer you know growing on our high fence. So um management of timber, management of your fields, you know, managing food sources for the deer is a big one, and and and a lot of times managing those food sources, whether it's in the timber, whether it's in the fields, works in hand in hand with other, you know, good wildlife management, you know, wildlife management, why it helps other wildlife populations, you know.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

I want to shift gears into the aspect of uh fencing the property. And um I I want to try to work through the rationale behind it. And and so I think again, I think there's a a misconception or a misunderstanding about um what the fence actually is. And in so, in my opinion, I just see it as a tool. And it's I think for land management, it's the greatest tool that is available today. Now, you've pieced together this other part where you have the ability to privately manage whitetails, which means you can focus on a genetic component, but those deer are yours, and so you can manage them how you see fit. Can you talk about maybe some of your rationale about you know your ranch and and that process of not the actual physical install of the fence, but what that means to you um in your operation today?

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Um, well, if you if you can shift in your mind and think of it as a ranching enterprise to some extent, it's a hunting wildlife ranching enterprise kind of all mixed together. But the key point I think you made is um the ownership of that animal, which certainly can be controversial to some. I understand that. Uh to some extent, I understand it. But the ownership allows us to when we sell a hunt, it allows us to keep those funds here with us. We're not just, you know, they're they're directly bringing the financial resources right back to this property. And through my management, you know, it goes right back into the deer, right back into the wildlife. Obviously, we have to make a living, but um to me it's it's about keeping a property in active management long term. Um when I say active management, I mean we're we're we're long in the long term, we this property will be managed for deer and wildlife. Um, if we didn't have the fence, uh we would need a lot more outside financial resources to make that happen. Um a lot more, you know, and and for us personally, that I don't know if that'd be viable, not to the scale that we're managing it today. Um, so to be able to keep and bring those those financial resources into our property and keep them here or keep them within our community, uh, that's a big part of at least my gener me, my generation, our generation, of keeping that property intact. So we're not um not forced to, but we're not well not having to sell it, and maybe it gets used for other purposes besides deer and wildlife management. And that's that's key to me. Um, yes, big deer are important. Do not get me wrong. The genetic component is very important. Um people like big deer, I like big deer, you like big deer. And what big deer is, you know, that's that's all over the place now with with within our industry, but um big deer and a and a safe, uh, fun, uh just good experience deer hunting, um is is what we're trying to sell. And so far we've we've we've been doing that here in the last few years, and uh it is starting to really come to fruition where we are able to keep uh keep those resources here and use them to continue to manage this property. Um it's not just about putting a big deer in a high fence and killing it. Um it's I mean for me it's not. I guess to your other point, the fence the fence is what you choose to want it to be. You know, you got DC and R or Department of Conservation, our foresters up in Pennsylvania, they'll they'll use the fence to keep deer out to to to have better regeneration in their forests. You know, you got operations that'll, you know, they want to put a fence and put exotics or whatever, and they can. It's to me, it's about managing a healthy whitetail herd with our own genetics and with our own private ownership that we can um, you know, we we can sell you know some hunts each year to to keep this place as a hunting, recreational, wildlife property.

SPEAKER_02 29:24

Yeah, I love that. Um it's it's um I I suspect that it has, and you you you made the comment about, you know, when you when you have hunts that you sell and you you have this experience that you're that people are paying for, when that money comes back into you, um it it it settles into the property, right? But there's many different kinds of side effects that and you mentioned the word community. Um what is that what does that look like? Like can you can you talk about some of the things that you know like your operation it benefits the the local community there? So like you you like you you might go buy a piece of equipment at the local place, you got to get your truck serviced, or you need to buy food, or what whatever that like I'm sure there's tons of things.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

It's kind of unlike any other small business or or business in general that you know that comes into a community or is built within a community. Um, you know, our local butcher shop, great people become great friends of ours. Uh they help us with you know our meats and our food, they help us with butchering of any deer that need or needed. Um there, you know, I go buy a tractor to your point. We're gonna try and buy within our own community, depending on price. But we're gonna try and buy it locally here, you know. Um, contractors, you know, we as we expand our operation, we might need more fence, we're gonna need an addition on a lodge, you know, the contractors that do that work, um, the foresters and the timber guys that help us with that work. You know, it it's instead of being this stagnant piece of ground, all of a sudden we've we've we're building a business around it. And and I'm proud of that. I'm not ashamed of any of that. We're building a business around our deer hunting, and um it's supporting quite a few people in our community, the restaurants. My wife and I like to eat out every now and then, like it's the restaurants in our community, the grocery stores in our community. Um, you know, during hunting season, we're at that grocery store one big trip a week, if not two, you know. Um same with our butcher shop, you know, with our food. So um yeah, it it's all around. It's it's it's it's a viable business, and we treat it like a business. And um just like any air business, you you're hopefully you're supporting your community and supporting other businesses around you. And I think we're doing that in our own small scale.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

Yeah, I love that. And and it it it's all based around deer, right? And so, you know, you get to do something you love, you have you you get to hunt and you get to manage property, and um it's a it's probably a pretty good lifestyle for you. So that's awesome. Um, I really appreciate you coming on today and and chatting me, uh chatting with me about uh, you know, kind of your your journey and your um your operation at at Powder Ridge Outfitters. Where can people find out more about uh what it is you do?

SPEAKER_00 32:09

Uh easiest way we're on social media, Facebook, Instagram, uh Powder Ridge Outfitters, uh website powderridgeoutfitters.com. Um, me personally, uh powderidge outfitters at gmail.com is the best. Shoot me an email. Um, you know, depending on a request, then I'll give you my phone number. But no, no, Powder Ridge, everything, Powder Ridge Outfitters, social media, powderidge outfitters at gmail.com for the website. Um, yeah, you can go there. I try to keep up with social media in the off season a little bit. Uh, we do get busy in the hunting season, but kind of give you an idea. Um, most of that's based around our deer and our deer herd. But uh, if you watch some of those videos, see some of those pictures, you see the work of the land behind the scenes on that.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

So that's awesome. We'll make sure those are are linked up in the uh the show notes below if you want to check out Jared's place. Jared, thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me today.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

Thanks, Josh.

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Appreciate it. And with that, stay tuned for another episode of the Deer Wizard Podcast.