Season 2, Episode 12 -- Interview with Dr. Douglas Frank

 Welcome Dr. Douglas Frank to the show! 

Dr. Douglas Frank is a world-renowned physicist and inventor. He holds a PhD in surface electroanalytical chemistry with over 60 publications in that field. He is an inventor, entrepreneur, teacher, musician, dad, husband, and a servant of Christ. Since 2020, Dr. Frank has pursued election reform in 48 states with grassroots teams, earning the nickname “The Johnny Appleseed of Election Integrity.” He has met with dozens of Secretaries of State, Attorneys General, legislators, and hundreds of local election officials. He has formally testified in multiple legal and legislative proceedings. 

Dr. Frank also claims to have identified algorithms used to manipulate elections and was featured in documentaries produced by Mike Lindell. 

Watch the Interview Here : https://youtu.be/vbWwAArnyx0

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:28

Josephine County Republican. It is March the twenty-sixth, two thousand twenty-six. So we are uh we have a special tree tonight. Dr. Douglas Frank has agreed to be on my show. And he is a world-renowned physicist, but I'm going to introduce him here. So let's get into it, ladies and gentlemen. Hello, Dr. Frank. Welcome to the show. Appreciate you uh taking the time out of your day to uh join us.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

You're welcome. It's actually 10 30 at night here in Pennsylvania. I'm right on the border of Pennsylvania and New York, up in uh northwestern Pennsylvania, McKean County. Late night.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Uh so anyway, just a little bit on your background. Dr. Douglas Frank is a world-renowned physicist, inventor. He has a PhD in surface electroanalytical chemistry with over 60 publications in that realm. He's uh an inventor, entrepreneur, teacher, musician, a dad, a husband, and a servant of Christ. Since 2020, Dr. Frank has pursued uh uh election reform in 48 states, with grassroots teams earning the nickname the Johnny Appleseed of Election Integrity. So he has met with dozens of secretaries of state, attorney generals, legislators, and hundreds of local election officials. He has personally testified formally in several legal and legislative proceedings. Dr. Frank discovered uh discovered uh several algorithms used to manipulate elections. So he's been featured in in two of Mike Lindell's 2021 documentaries, Scientific Proof and Absolute Interference. So again, thank you for coming on the show. Tell me about some of your research and and and stuff like that on the election fraud and um those kind of topics.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

So uh I've been coming to Oregon uh since 2021 and uh I've been spending most of my time west of the Cascades because that's where people have been inviting me. I've been to your county, Josephine County, several times. Um Holly Morton hosted me down there, and she was head of the party for a while, uh now and now it's somebody else, but um have had good experiences there. You have uh pretty good, a pretty good county there. Uh but one of the things I've learned about Oregon as I travel the country, they call me the Johnny Appleseat of election charity because I'm all over the place, is people have a perception of Oregon that's incorrect. People think of Oregon as a blue state, and it's not, it's a very red state. You have 36 counties, and three of them are purple are purple, and three of them are blue, and the rest are red, and I mean red, especially when you get east of the Cascades. Uh, I I tell people around the country that um 13 of those 15 counties over there on the east side of the Cascades have signed resolutions to leave the state of Oregon to secede and join Idaho. That tells you how different they are than the counties west of the Cascades. So, but I'd spent most of my first few years going up there to the coastal counties because that's where I was invited. But my strategy has changed nationally. I don't just go where I'm invited anymore. I I'm on the road 25 out of 30 days a month. I can pretty much be on the road all the time if I wanted, but I I'm trying to focus my attention on places where I can have the most impact and where we can uh make the most progress. And Oregon is one of the places I have really turned up the heat on. In fact, I'm going to be there one week out of every month this year so far. I've in, you know, I've January, February, March, April, May, and June. I've got a week scheduled in each of them. And my uh scheduler, her name is Teresa, calls it the Oregon Blitz. And so I was there as part of um the second blitz this year, there in Josephine County. And um it's an important county because it has good pretty good leadership. And what I'm looking for is counties where when I show them what's going on with their elections, the leadership is appalled and the leadership wants to do something about it. So there's various approaches to this that I that I take. Uh in Oregon, if if I were just to tell you a fact, I could show you a graph. And that's what I typically do in my presentations. I show graphs and I can share that one with you if you'd like. But just just for just for grins, your situation in your state is in your voter rolls, you have more people enrolled in your voter rolls than you have 18 and older people. Okay. That's 18 and older people. That's not even eligible voters. That's 18 and older. You have more people in your voter rolls. Now, a clean voter rolls has about typically has around 70% or even less of the voting age people in it. So for you to be at 105%, let's say, doesn't mean that you're 5% dirty. It means you're 35% dirty. Okay. And so I've got multiple copies of your voter rolls for every county in Oregon, and I've processed them and organized them in a certain way. And I want to describe that to you, and so you'll understand what I mean when I say your voter rolls are dirty. So I have five copies of your voter rolls spanning four years. Uh, they're one year spacing, so it's five copies, four years span. And I've analyzed the voter rolls comparing voter roll to voter roll. And I can compare name to name, and I can show you who's been added and who's been removed in between each copy of the voter rolls. And in your county, you've had a shockingly high number of people added and removed from your voter rolls. Far more than your population is changing. And we use the term we use is called churn, ch u r n, churn. And what what happens is let's say you have a county with a hundred people in it, the population is a hundred, and let's say 10 people move out and 10 people move in. Well, that would be 20 changes out of a hundred, so we call that a 20% churn. Now, your population in Josephine County hasn't churned 20% in a year, but your voter rolls have. Every year, your voter rolls are churning 10 to 20 percent, but your population isn't churning 10 to 20 percent. Your population is just churning a few percent. So, what's going on here? And that's one of the pieces of evidence I showed uh when I was there at Josephine County, and I can show that to you. The thing is, is that the people that are being added and removed from the roles aren't people like you, people who live there, people who live and work there, the normal citizens. What's happening is you in the state of Oregon, you have so many systems that automatically add people to the roles that you've created, like if you get get a driver's license, if you go to jail, okay, if you renew your car registration, if you um get welfare, if you uh do any kind of government agency, if you touch any government agency, you're automatically put in. And so what's been happening is your voter rolls have been shooting up dramatically. So um, and but your cleaning up mechanisms have not been keeping pace. So you have very dirty voter rolls, and that's why the Department of Justice sued you and Judicial Watch sued you guys. And it's been proven in court. So what I'm saying is not Doug Frank, wack-a-doodle, crazy election denier. This is proven in court in Oregon that your voter rolls are out of compliance with state and federal law. And I don't mean just a little, I mean a lot out of compliance. Like one in three of the people in your voter rolls shouldn't be there. I mean, that's really dirty voter rolls. And the Department of Justice has sued you because your systems are out of compliance as well. So think about it. You're in Oregon and you guys began sending ballots to everybody starting in 1998. You were one of the pioneers, quote unquote, in mailing mailed elections where you mail ballots everybody. And normally, you know, I think there's nothing wrong with an absentee ballot or two when you need them. Like if you're in the military or if you know you're going to be out of town, let's say you're gonna be scuba diving somewhere and you need to vote, right? It's okay to have an absentee ballot, but it needs to be a small percentage. You are mailing ballots to everybody in your roles. And think about that. For every two ballots you mail to a real voter, you're mailing another ballot somewhere, and it's not a real voter. Now, I I can show you in your roles, and that's what I was doing when I was there. I was showing people their own roles. And one of my favorite things to do is just look somebody up in the audience. I'll say, Somebody, you give me your address, and I've got the voter rolls right there on the screen, and we look them up, and when and a lot of times they'll say, Wait a minute, who's that person? How come they're still in the roles? I bought the house from them five years ago and they're still listed as an active voter or their neighbors. It's not hard when you realize that one and three of the people in your roles don't belong there. It's not hard to find amazing amount of garbage in your own neighborhood. So, what I like doing is I take the most recent copy of the voter rolls, say from 2025, and then I add back in everybody who's been removed for the last four years, and I call that a merged data set. And it's much bigger, 50% bigger than the current voter rolls, because you've had so much churn in your voter rolls. And then, but what that does is then I sort it by precinct and sort it by address. And so you can see the history at every address. And what you'll notice is you've been mailing ballots to a whole bunch of people that moved away already a long time ago. And if you think about it, every one of those ballots that you're mailing out costs you money, is environmentally irresponsible, and is an opportunity for somebody to steal a ballot and use a ballot and turn in a ballot fraudulently. So you have really bad elections in Oregon. I was all I can say.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

Yeah, actually, one of our people uh was Brian Weldon. He's a local guy, and he's he said he had like five ballots show up in his mailbox, and then it was like the old owner, and the one of the one of them was dead. Yeah, so crazy stuff.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Well, what you just said is perfect. It you notice I didn't have to be, I didn't have to make an outlandish claim. You it there are stories, every every neighborhood has stories like you just described. It's I'm not a crazy person, I'm a physicist. You know, I was nominated for a Nobel Prize in Chemistry. I have 60 scientific peer-reviewed publications. I'm an evidence-driven person. And and what I like doing, it's different than what a lot of election integrity folks are doing around the country, is I don't come in and make outlandish claims. What I do is I come into your county, and this is what I did when I was in Josephine, and I give you your own voter rolls. Nice. And then I say, look in your own neighborhood. And when you do that, you're going to find exactly what I've been telling you you're going to find. You're going to find people that are dead, people that don't live there, and yet we're counting ballots from these people.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

How is that happening? And so it's not merely sloppiness or a waste of money, it's also disenfranchising your citizens from their constitutional rights. When you vote, your ballot is being canceled by a fraudulent ballot. So that's that's a serious thing. And what I've been having counties do in your state is prepare what I call an evidence binder. And I talked about that in my presentation as well. There are four tabs in the evidence binder. The first tab, we collect about 10 cases of fraud. The second tab, we collect 10 examples of illegal voting. I'll go over these in a second. The third tab, uh, we show just egregious voter rolls. And I'll I'll tell you, and then the fourth tab, we show how your state is breaking the law. So if you think about it, that little thin binder is a built-in self-consistent argument. You're breaking the law, so your voter rolls are a mess. You have illegal and fraudulent voting. Why are we using a system that has been proven in court to be not in compliance with state and federal law of and voter rolls that are been proven in court? Why are we doing that? Why are the counties complying with an uncompliant system that costs them way more money, we can talk about that, and is enabling fraud in their elections. Why would you do that? The answer is it's not very rational. But here's the thing: if a particular county, say Josephine County, said we don't want to use this system anymore, if they say that, the state will come down on them like a load of bricks. The state wants to keep control of your elections, central control of your elections. And that's that's the core problem. So I've learned by fighting around the country that the fighting this battle around the country that fighting one county at a time is an uphill battle. Yeah, it sounds like it. If if you go south of your border down to Shasta County, you'll find that Shasta County elections we've taken back local control over. That means we control the rolls, we control the ballots, everything is transparent. All citizens are welcome at any time to come in and participate and observe every part of the process. It's it's really a remarkable thing. Uh, another county in Central California is about to join them, San Joaquin County, in the same kind of a system. And then Southern California, Huntington Beach, they're running their own elections now. And yet people are like, How are you doing that, Dr. Frank? Well, this is this, this is what I was there teaching you guys in Josephine County, how we're gonna do this. Now, in Oregon, the strategy is to get a bunch of counties ready with their binders, which I described the four tabs, and then have them simultaneously say, guess what, state? We're not gonna comply with your uncompliant system anymore because it's unconstitutional. It's disenfranchising us from our constitutional rights. It's expensive and wasteful, and we don't have to comply with an uncompliant system, so we're not gonna do it. Now, then you're having multiple counties standing together, which is a, and by the way, the sheriffs love this. I've explained it to multiple sheriffs. The sheriffs are standing with the citizens, and that's what we're doing in Oregon. It's pretty exciting, and the reveal is coming up soon. I'm not giving away the date yet, but we're gonna have that reveal um happen. You know, you can tell since I'm spending one week a month, uh, that it's probably gonna be in one of the later months, but you get the idea that that's where we're going.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

That's incredible. So, and you know, something like that would have to go like maybe through the county charter, you know, our own constitutional uh rights as far as a county, right? And and really push that out there.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

So yeah, the way I describe this to people is let's say that uh Governor Kotec, who by the way is one of the least popular governors in the country, she's either 50th or 49th. It's like she's one of the least popular in the country. If she were to say, you know, we are not gonna allow people to open carry their weapons anymore, we're gonna come and collect up all the guns. Um, and what what would happen? The the people would say, we're not gonna comply with that because it's unconstitutional, right? You don't have to comply with any unconstitutional orders. Well, guess what? You have no problem, you understand when the government says give us your guns, you tell them pound sand. But when they say give us your ballots, huh? You turn them over without a fight. But wait a minute, your ballots are how you protect your guns. Your ballots are how you protect your hunting. I know about your public initiative there. Your ballots are how you protect your children and your schools. Your ballot is your constitutional voice. That's the last thing you should be giving your state. Absolutely. And so the whole point is we should do that locally and we should keep our own ballots locally. But we're not gonna break the law. We're gonna follow the law better than your state is following it. We're gonna use compliant systems, we're gonna use compliant uh voter roles. And so we're not breaking the law, we're gonna follow it better than them, but we're gonna do it together. That way the state can't just pick on, you know, let's say Josephine decided to go this way. Well, the state would just come after you and make your life miserable. But we're gonna make, we're gonna bring a bunch of counties simultaneously. So it's gonna be very difficult for the state to deal with that. Now there are different incentives here. Your ballots are costing somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 a piece when you're mailing them out. They have to be printed, they have to be stuffed, they have to be addressed, they have to be stamped, and then they have to be mailed. So it's it's pretty expensive. So, you know, they're in Josephine County. I don't remember your population.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

98,000 something.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Uh okay, let's say it's a hundred thousand then. And then if if about 80% of those are 18 and older, so we're talking about 80,000 ballots or so. And what if I'm telling you that a third of those, so a third of 80,000 would just be about 27,000, something like that. 27,000 times ten dollars, you're wasting every election $270,000.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

That's insane. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Think about that. But not only are you wasting $270,000, you're also making it easy to cheat in the election. So the whole idea, from yours and my perspective as citizens, we want to protect our ballots. That's important to us. However, your county commissioners aren't as concerned about that. They should be, but they're not always concerned about that. But to tell them, how would you like to save $270,000 every time you have an election? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, we'd like to do that. And by the way, that's just one of the costs. There's other costs too. And so by bringing back local control, they can save a lot of money and then also put look good to their citizens because they're protecting their citizens. Now, when I met with one of the sheriffs up in Clatsup County, I met with the sheriff there and I showed him the data from his own county. He was livid and he was like, I'm gonna go arrest the clerk and all that. And I'm like, no, it's not the clerk's fault. The clerks are using a centralized system. The state has a centralized system. And, you know, for example, if you move into a county, the clerk doesn't add you to the voter rolls. She logs into the state system and adds you to the state system roles. If when she wants to delete somebody, she logs into the state system and deletes somebody. And the state system is changing tens of thousands. I mentioned that to you earlier with the churn. The voter rolls are churning up and down huge amounts that your clerk is not doing. So your clerk's out of control of the voter rolls. And then if if you look at the way they run their elections, they process the ballots, they don't count the ballots, they take a stick out of the machine and they put it in an election management system software, which is centrally controlled by the state. Once again, I can tell you, time after time, I've sat with clerks in your state and said, How many people voted in the last election? And they'll say, you know, pretend 100, 100 people voted. Well, did you ever check and see if the Secretary of State agrees with you? And they're like, What do you mean? I'm the one that gives the Secretary of State the numbers. I know, but let's just look. And I'll bring my laptop out, click, click, click, click, click. We log into the Secretary of State website, and guess what? Secretary of State says 110 people voted. And the clerk is like, wait a minute, it was only 100. I'm like, okay, so who are the other 10? And the clerk's like, I don't know. In other words, the clerk isn't in control of the election. They're not in control of the roles, they're not in control of the machines because they they can't open the machines and look inside, and they're not in control of the reporting or anything. So we the problem with our elections is we've given away control of them to the state. We need to take them back local. And I just described how we're doing it. And it's not just Oregon, by the way. We got several other states that are gonna reveal at a similar time as Oregon. So it's multiple states simultaneously are saying, we're tired of this non-compliance systems, we're tired of wasting money, we're gonna take back local control. And when they do that, it's gonna create quite a bit of shock waves. And if you've been following the President Trump's tweets, he's been saying he wants to lead this movement. So this is what we're doing. We're we're building the movement that he's gonna be leading. So it's pretty exciting.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

That is very exciting. And you know, like you said, it's like the the our pamphlets, our our vote is very, very important. It really just uh, you know, controls what we're Doing how we how we think, you know, everything that we believe in is our vote. So that's that's major.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Wow. It's it's I can't imagine many things that are more important. You know, people have other issues they care about. I mean, you in I know in Oregon, you've got the hunting and fishing thing with the you know, the the livestock that initiatives going on. You've got people that carry yeah, exactly. People care about abortion, people care about schools, you know, people care about what's in the libraries, people care about all these issues. But guess what? All those issues are downstream from our elections. Elections are the linchpin for all of that. So we've given away the most important thing. And what um Joseph Stalin said, the um he says, it's enough that the people have an election, he said. It doesn't matter who casts the votes, what matters is who counts the votes, and that's the problem. You've given away those functions, so you're not making any decisions anymore. Uh this whoever is cheating the most or whoever's in the control the most is deciding the outcomes of your election sound.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Yeah, that's incredible. And and you know, and I guess voter turnout too. If you had a uh a way to improve that, I know a lot of folks are just not voting at all. And you know, could we go in and find out if they're not voting? Are they actually voting on paper? I mean, is the Secretary of State counting votes of people that have never voted in 10 years or they're still or they're dead, or you know, that kind of stuff? There's a lot of fraud going on.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

That is you put your finger on why I give people their voter rolls. If you want, I'll show you a graph here. Would you like to see a graph?

SPEAKER_02 23:44

Yeah, and we can if you can put that if you have a way to put that on the screen, that'd be great. I do.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna I'm gonna share that for you. So hang on one second, I'm gonna bring that up. Okay, let me see here. Shift Five. Okay, okay. Oh, I see. I have to first, I have to share first. Hang on here. I'm gonna share my whole screen. All right, share. Okay, so you should be seeing my whole screen right now. Yep. All right, so let me bring up that this is my presentation I gave in Josephine County. They're animated slides, so I have to do this this way, but shift F5. Okay, so here we go. You should be able to see that.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

Yeah, nice and full screen too.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

Okay, good. All right, so this is for the whole state of Oregon. And what you'll notice if I go back up here, here we go. This is from 1960 up to 2024. You'll see that this blue curve here on top, this is the number of people that are 18 and older in your state. And you can see it's just been kind of climbing steadily until um until about five years ago, and then it's flattened out. So your population was growing and then it's flattened out. The black curve is every two years, how many people are in your voter rolls? And where did I get these numbers? From the Secretary of State. These are published numbers. So you can say how many in your voter rolls. And remember what I said a clean voter roll should have about 70% uh the voting age population in it. I'm gonna turn this brightness down a little bit so it's not quite so reflective on my face here. It makes it hard to see. There you go. Um, so every two years, and you can see with my pointer, I'm pointing to that. And what you'll notice is your voter rolls were really clean in the 60s, then they got dirty, then your clerks cleaned them up. You can see that. Then they got dirty, and your clerks cleaned them up, and you can see your clerks maintaining them rather well for several years here. And then in 2014, something happened. And you notice that the voter rolls suddenly shot up. That is when your clerks, when when the state took away control from the clerks, and when they the state began automatically adding people who get driver's licenses, automatically adding people that go to jail, touch any government agency therein. So that's when that happened. And by the way, that curve is in every county in the in the state. And I just because I'm talking to Josephine, let me just I can just jump to Josephine, for example, and just show you that that is the case. Here we go. Here's here's Josephine. There you go. Notice Josephine has that same jump.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

Same exact curve, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

And and you went right past the population just like the rest of the state did. Uh and I can show you every county, which like you do with this graph here. This is every county in the state of Oregon, all 36. There's some big ones, Multnomah, and small ones like you, but if I show them all in the same percent scale, you'll see that in 2014, every single county in the state started shooting up. And so one of the things is the clerks think they're in control of this, but clearly they're not. It's it's a central control issue. So that's a big deal. But if I go back to this other graph here, the the the for the whole state, you'll notice that every the red curve down here is how many people voted in the general election for each of these years. So you got a presidential midterm, presidential midterm. You notice more people vote in presidential than midterms. Yeah, you can see that. But you'll notice that, for example, right here, the voter rolls suddenly shot up. But if they hadn't suddenly shot up, if they'd stayed clean, you'd have almost a perfect turnout.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

Wow. Okay, why why is that?

SPEAKER_00 27:30

And then here, if they hadn't inflated the voter rolls, you'd have an almost perfect turnout again. Or in 2020, if I if I bring the population line down, you would add a perfect turnout in 2020 and 2024. In other words, they're inflating the voter rolls with non-real voters, so your turnouts are not down. You actually have more turnouts than you've ever had, but they've inflated the voter rolls, so they report the turnouts as a percentage, and so it makes it sound like your turnouts are down, but actually you have more ballots coming in than you've ever had before. But they're disguising that fact because they've inflated the denominator, they're reporting it as a percentage. Do you understand what I what that means? And so the the Republican Party, for example, I was I've I've met with several of your GOPs, your county GOPs, and they tell me, Oh, Dr. Frank, people don't trust our elections anymore. They're not turning out. Yes, they are. They're turning out more than ever. It's just that you've inflated your voter rolls, so they don't even realize that. If I get jump back to Josephine for you, here's Josephine again. Let me bring that up again. Here's Josephine. There we go. Josephine, you have the same issue. If I um you notice I was just showing you, if you hadn't inflated the voter rolls, you'd have a perfect turnout. If you hadn't inflated the voter rolls, you'd have perfect turnouts. So what's going on here? Why are they inflating the voter rolls? The reason they're inflating the voter roll, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

To what end, too? I mean, what yeah, tell me.

SPEAKER_00 29:11

The reason that they inflate the voter rolls is first of all, it disguises the fact that there's all this ballot stuffing going on. There, you're counting ballots from people you shouldn't be counting ballots from. That's the first thing. And the second thing is it gives them a credit line. Remember, I told you about the churn. So if I if I were to show you the example of the churn, I explained what churn is. If a county has a hundred people and 10 people move out and 10 people move in, that's a 20% churn. I explained that. But what's going on in your state is you've got in 18 and older population. That would be normal. That'd be healthy, a good healthy population. You should have about 70% of them registered. That would be healthy voter rolls. Well, and and over a four-year period of time, it would be normal for you to lose a few of those people. People die, people move away. There would be normal for you to have some churn, a small amount of churn. But what's happened is you've inflated the voter rolls. You fill them up, even past 100%. And that it gives people who want to cheat a credit line. And since that's constantly churning, you constantly have new names showing up and excess ballots showing up at the at the doors all the time for people that don't live here anymore. Yet they're still active in the roles because every time you add somebody, they're active. And so that's constantly creating this huge number of ballots that are just always being mailed out. So anybody wants to cheat, they can. You've got all the ballots floating around that you need. That's that's the problem with your system. If if everybody was honest, sure, we could do a mail-in election, that'd be fine. But the problem is not everybody's honest and people want to cheat. So that's that's that's the core problem.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

Now it's not just who's pulling the puppet strings here, you know. I mean, you might not want to say directly, um, but you know, it's it's you said it wasn't the county clerks, and it's coming really from upstream to that. It's the state, it's the secretary of state, it's people that are up higher. Um, is it their software? Are they making mistakes? Are they doing it on purpose? Is it AI? What's doing it?

SPEAKER_00 31:25

What a great question. So keep in mind governments don't do anything.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

Governments hire people to do things, right? And in your state in Oregon, your Secretary of State is not sitting there frantically adding and removing people from the voter rolls. Instead, your secretary of state has hired a non-government organization called Eric, E-R-I-C, Election Registration Information Center. And for decades now, they've been giving your voter rolls to that non-government organization. And in addition, they're giving them all the driver's license records, all the social security records. And that organization, Eric, also has 32 other states worth of that information. And the idea, which sounds good, was to allow them to clean up the voter rolls. Oh, gee, John Smith moved from over here to over here. You should take them out of the rolls over here. It makes sense. It sounds good, and your state pays for that service. But I can tell you, I know the I've looked at all the state voter rolls. The dirtiest voter rolls in the country are the Eric voter rolls. And what they're doing is that they don't actually add and remove people. Eric doesn't. What they do is they give the state a list and they say, these are the names we recommend you remove, and these are the rec names we recommend you add, because we've noticed that John Smith moved into your state and he's not in the rolls yet. So you ought to add them. And so what they've done is they've increased the rate of names coming into the roles. And the state has the state doesn't say, yeah, let's delete the ones that they want to delete. They deliberately leave them in there. So yes, your Secretary of State is complicit in dirty voter rolls, absolutely. But they're not the ones adding and removing them. It's Eric. And that's that's what's going on there. And it's in other words, it's a deliberate decision to keep your voter rolls dirty. We could clean them in a second, we could doge them in a second. We could take out all the non-citizens, we could take out all the dead people, we could take out all the people that have moved to other states just by using the post office records.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

So Eric, Eric just needs an audit, you know, one county at a time. And we we come back in there and we say, Eric, you're fired.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Well, as a matter of fact, in 2025, nine states out of those 32 states left Eric because they were paying for a service and it wasn't improving their voter rolls. It was just basically equipping somebody else with all of your driver's license information, including your signatures.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

In other words, you're equipping people who want to cheat with everything they need to cheat. Uh, because you get because they can sign the ballots and everything. You've got the signatures. So it's not, you've got the worst of of all worlds. You're mailing ballots to one third to somebody who knows, and you've given away all the signatures uh for those ballots to other organizations. So it's like you're setting yourself up for cheating. So it's not a bit surprising that we find dead people who are voting, people that lived in Texas for 10 years and are voting in Texas, but somehow they're still voting in Oregon. It's not them voting, somebody is cheating and using the ballots here. And and there are non-government organizations, local organizations that get paid to go out and harvest ballots. And so these are like right there at their disposal.

SPEAKER_02 34:55

God, that's crazy. Wow. So I you know, I mean, and hopefully that you can get that cleaned up in Oregon. I mean, have you reached out to the president about this? I mean, I'm sure he already has people that know about it, but I mean, you being who you are, uh, have you reached out?

SPEAKER_00 35:11

Well, the the president. Well, maybe maybe you didn't know this about me because we didn't do a lot of introduction, but the president asked me to be his keynote speaker at his first rally after being out of office. Oh, cool. I I um I think I've got a picture of that here. I just things are crazy. Here, here it is. Um, I spoke in Wellington, Ohio, and I was his keynote. And he he came to me and he said, Dr. Frank, I want you to explain to the world how they stole my election in 2020. So I got to explain to the world, and that kind of thrust me into the public eye. Uh before that, Mr. Lindell, Mike Lindell had made a movie about me called Scientific Proof, where I showed how I'm able to analyze the voter rolls and prove that they're not real, prove that there's manipulation going on. And I use scientific methods and statistical methods at first to prove that the elections were centrally controlled and centrally determined as well. So um, maybe you didn't know that about me. But so that's that's what made me famous at first. I told my wife, honey, I'm gonna set aside my income for six months. We're gonna save the country, and then I'm gonna be back to work. Well, here I am six years later, still doing this. And that's cool. And I never charge for any of my work. I don't want anybody to think I'm doing this for money. People pass the hat, help me pay for my for my travel. Today I drove six hours to go from my my home in south southern Ohio up to New York, where I am right now. I'm sitting up here actually in McKean County, Pennsylvania, right on the border. And um I spent a hundred bucks on gas, they passed the hat for me, and it looks like I they collected about 120 bucks. Oh, that's awesome. I got a I got some dinner on the way back to my hotel room, and I'm breaking even. And if if if I can break even, you know, they paid for my hotel here, the group that hosted me. So if I can break even, I'm happy. And I've been doing this for six years now, and I'm only 40,000 in the hole. So I think I'm doing pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

Hey, all right. That's great. Well, we need more people like you. We need to clone you. So I don't, you know, being a scientist and a physicist, you know, we maybe we could get a cloning process and yeah, that's right, you know, more Dr. Franks out there. That's what we need.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

Well, you know, it's it's it's it's uh strange to be me in a sense because I didn't choose to do this. And I just found myself in the situation where Mr. Lindell had discovered the work I did in Pennsylvania and he wanted to make this movie about me. He made actually made another one too. Um made another one. Uh that was weird. Uh he made uh another movie called uh absolute interference, which was another, there we go, there we go. Um, which another 30 minutes of our interview. He took he interviewed me for about three and a half hours, and then he made the first movie, which is one hour long, and then they made this one, which is about two hours, but the first half an hour is my work as well. So I didn't choose to do this. I thought I was saving the country. Uh, and this was early in 2021, uh, when we still thought that if we showed people the fraud in their elections, that they would address it. But I I learned in the year in 2021, I learned some valuable political lessons. I learned that we don't have one good legislature in the country, not one, that wants to address this. And I also learned something surprising. And this is surprising for Oregon people. People in Oregon think the reason that you're in a mess is because you have so many Democrats in charge of your state. But I can tell you right now, you're not as corrupt as the Republican states. Oh, really? Wow. But it's not about red and blue, it's about whoever's in control. So, you know, you're sitting there in in Oregon and you have 105% of your people registered. Well, guess what? In Kentucky, they have 105% of their people registered. In Florida, they have more fraud happening in Florida than in California. Okay. So you people want to, in Oregon, people want to blame the Democrats, but actually, your own Republican Party is one of the worst in the country. Now, you have some good county GOPs. I don't want to paint them all with a bad brush. The Josephine County GOP is a pretty good one, for example. And and when you get over the Cascades, there's some pretty good GOPs over there. I've I've met with them quite a bit. Um, let me just tell you one story that it was fun. I was I was in uh Baker County. No, it wasn't. It was um it was one of the North Umatilla, and there was another one, I can't remember. It was right nearby, Monroe, I think. And I was meeting with the county leaders, the party leaders, and I gave my presentation and they took me out to dinner afterwards, and we're sitting there across the table, and one of the party leaders, she says to me, Dr. Frank, she says, we're really struggling in our county as a party. She says, we've got about a third of the people in our voter rolls are navs, and nav is short for non-affiliated voters. And those are typically the ones that are added automatically. I mean, when you register to vote, you didn't register as a nav. You said you were a Republican or an independent or a green or a Democrat or something like that. But people, when they get automatically put in the roles, they're put in as NAV. Uh, and then they're expected to change their party later uh to whatever they want to be. So she she said to me, Dr. Frank, we've been mailing these people letters, we've been calling them on the phone, we've been knocking on their doors. We just can't find these navs. And we're just we're just hoping that you have some insight into how we can reach these people because we want to convert them to being Republicans. And so I looked at the lady and I said, Didn't you listen to my talk? What did I tell you? I said, 70% of the people in your rolls are the real voters, and that top 30 is churning, and they're not your real voters. They don't exist, they are navs, yeah. Okay, and she's and it suddenly dawned on her, you mean we're wasting all of our time? Yes, yes, you are. And who's telling you to do that? The Republican Party of Oregon. And in other words, they don't get it either. And so that was, you know, that that's a big big eye-opener. So I'm not telling you that you have bad people, you have good people in the state of Oregon, you have great people, but your party leadership really reeks, and your um elections are a sorry mess. And so you're so you're in a bad situation.

SPEAKER_02 41:36

Voter turnout, really. I mean, we had a local recall, and you know, it was 26% of the people voted or something. It was ridiculous. And you know, uh what did you say percent? Yeah, it was it was it was 26%, and and and you know, for the primaries it was you know like 70 something. Yeah, and then and then they did that recall and it was in December. So they they were doing that's of registered voters, right? Yeah, and it and exactly, yeah. It was like 14,000 to 7,000 or something like that. Um, but it was it was pretty wild. Um, you know, just low turnout, people didn't want to participate. Uh right, and and what you're saying is a lot of people really they just didn't even exist in the first place. So um and then you know, so I'm hearing this thing, and and I don't know, maybe this uh might play into what you're talking about, but that the DMV, I guess, had apparently made some huge mistake, and uh people would go in and get their license or their permits or or whatever, and they would be automatically registered as Democrats. Did you hear anything about that?

SPEAKER_00 42:46

Yes, I'm familiar with that. What's happened is since you have all of these systems that automatically register people, you know. I'm assuming you know you're already registered to vote, let's say, yeah, and you go in and you renew your car registration. Well, they automatically add you to the roles. But wait a minute, you're already there. So now what do they have to do? They have to have software that goes and reconciles that. Okay, and when they reconcile that, a lot of people are getting changed to Democrats. Um, and it's it's a stupid thing. And by and and by the way, when non-citizens are there getting their driver's licenses, they're getting added to the roles too. And your governor admitted that. Um, I was in Koos County giving a presentation when that happened. Uh, it was back in 2024, I believe. And the governor admitted, yeah, we've got all these non-citizens in the roles who are being mailed ballots. And and so it's the the bad thing about being changed to a from a Republican to Democrat is that now you don't get the right primary ballot, and you you you have difficulty um participating in the primary, and that's a big deal. So, what should have happened is you if you went to the poll, but the problem is you don't even get mailed the ballot. Because you have an all-mail election. I was about to say when you went into the polls, which you should be doing, right? But if you went into the polls, you could say, Hey, I'm a Republican. They'd say, Well, you're registered a Democrat. And you said, No, no, that's a mistake. Let's fix that. And they would say, Well, we can't just do that. So we're going to give you a provisional ballot. And then after we've confirmed that, yeah, that was a mistake, we'll count the ballot. That's what they're supposed to do. But since you don't have that option, because you just mailed you didn't get mailed a ballot in the first place. So you have to call in and say, Where's my ballot? And they say, Well, you're a Democrat. And they're like, No, I'm a Republican. So it guess what then? That means they mailed you two ballots. So that means they wasted more money. If your local clerk was in charge, this crap wouldn't be happening.

SPEAKER_02 44:43

Yeah, that's that's pretty wild. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. I mean, uh, excellent. You know, this kind of information, just having the information out there for the public to see what is going on is what really, you know, uh, that's what matters. And hopefully state legislation, everybody will start getting wise to it. And you said not one. I don't know if that's laziness or if they just want to keep it that way. I'm not really sure, but I think you're pretty young.

SPEAKER_00 45:14

And so, you know, I'm 64, and I remember vividly when I was younger that what it was like when the parties, the Democrat and Republican Party, maintained the precinct books. And I remember vividly voting at the corner garage, you know, in your own neighborhood where your neighbors ran the polls. And then at the when they closed the polls, everybody sat around and counted the ballots together. We participated in our elections, so we trusted our elections. And now all that's been taken away from us, and we're all just asked to trust when we know there are all these problems, and so that's also, I think, decreasing people's motivation. Why, you know, people tell me all the time, why should I participate, Dr. Frank? It's all rigged anyway. And and I understand that sentiment. Uh, but I still encourage people to vote. We need to vote.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

Yeah, need to turn out, go vote. Everybody needs to vote.

SPEAKER_00 46:12

Everybody needs to vote.

SPEAKER_02 46:13

And you know, I'm seeing a lot of that that discouragement, and it's just generated by social media. There's so much misinformation and hatred going on in social media from both left and right.

SPEAKER_00 46:24

Yes, we agree.

SPEAKER_02 46:25

You know, so I did a show on that just the other day. I was talking about misinformation and all the memes and headlines and stuff that are that are coming out. You gotta fact check that stuff, people. Don't just believe it, you know. Right.

SPEAKER_00 46:38

But we're kind of lazy.

SPEAKER_02 46:40

Yeah, I know there's a lot of people in this country that are lazy. I I mean, you know, that's it, it is what it is. But uh anyway, thank you so much for for coming on the show, and I really appreciate everything. Um, and I'm gonna get this out in probably the next uh couple of hours here. So sure.

SPEAKER_00 46:57

If you send me a link, I will send me a link, I will post it on my social media and bring you a lot of hits.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

Okay, great. Yeah, because I don't have a lot. Uh, you know, that I might have like six people that watch the podcast, maybe more. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 47:10

I had oh no, you'll get you'll get you might get a thousand in a day.

SPEAKER_02 47:14

Nice, okay, great.

SPEAKER_00 47:16

So I I'll bring because I'll post it and people watch my stuff. Excellent.

SPEAKER_02 47:21

Well, I'd I definitely appreciate that, and um, you know, good luck. And I I hope to see you again in in Josamine County, and hopefully I can uh come up and shake your hand one day.

SPEAKER_00 47:31

Be glad to meet you.

SPEAKER_02 47:32

All right, Dr. Frank. Thank you, and have a good night. Get some sleep. What is it, eleven o'clock? Seven thirty already for you.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

So uh well, have a good night, and uh thanks again.