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• Janice • Season 1 • Episode 19

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In this episode Janice, Lauren and Nikki discuss Janice's confession of enjoying one of Taylor Swift's songs - The Fate of Ophelia. The discussion leads into the matter of artists being sued for trademark and sampling matters. It doesn't stop here as the importance of song writing is talked about using examples such as Ed Sheeran and Bruno Mars and ending with the segment of Hot Dad of the week.


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Hey everyone, welcome to the Voice Notes Podcast. I am Janice, your host, and with me are my co-hosts and besties, Lauren and Nikki. Each week, we bring you a relaxed chat with different takes on music, entertainment, fitness, and just all around life. So whether you're driving, you're at work, you're at the gym, or just lounging, let's get into it. We are back. Feels good, baby. We're doing a Sunday break on it. Two-week break, but we're back. That's all right. We're back. And I have to start with a confession. Well, yeah. So you know I'm not a Taylor Swift fan.

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However, hold up, what's happening? However, on a Sunday, what do we got here? 5 50 p.m. Okay.

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Ophelia came across Oh my god. And the song came up.

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And you didn't hit uh another station. Isn't it so good? Wow. I actually like the song. Did you watch the video? It's an epic. It's an epic. Yeah, it is. You have to watch the video too to go along with this. Okay. Yeah. She's exquisite. So we are so proud of you. Thank you. Maybe she'll be able to do that. That will new open with Drake for me. Okay. Don't eat it. Maybe she should be the next bad bunny on here. She will. Yeah. But not Drake. No, Drake is giving dad. He's giving dad. He gives dad. What is it about the song? I gotta know. What stopped you? I'm curious.

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I think it's the up tempo in the song, like in the chorus part, that it just gets me. And I'm like, okay, this is like catching. Listen, the only other Taylor Swift song that I really, really love is Shake It Off. Just because I find it to be it's like a good mood, a feel good song, right? So I give her that.

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I don't hate it.

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But outside of anything else, I'm like, but when I heard Ophelia, I was like, Yeah, it's a great song.

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Sometimes you have to hear an album again or a song again because initially you might not like it. It's kind of like with uh Harry Sowell's new album. About to do the same thing. The first run through, I didn't like it. I didn't hate it. I just didn't like it. So I watched his Netflix The concert. The concert. Okay, go ahead. And fell in love with it. Okay, this is the thing. It made a huge difference. Totally organic this conversation. We did not have this conversation. Okay. 1000% the same. Absolutely. I listened to it because I was such a huge Harry's House fan because of Music Club, because of the suggestion rate. Yeah. Never paid attention to the album of the summer, remember? Charlotte. Charlotte, right? So, same thing. Album drops. I had listened to Aperture. It was, it was good. Yeah. It was great. I saw the video. I was like, this is weird. I don't, I'm like, where are you going with that? I know he's weird, but odd. And I was like, I'm not understanding. We were talking about it. Yeah. We were said it was giving. I didn't hate it. I didn't love it though. It'll come to me in a second. It was given, it was given us the Christopher Walken dance from the early 2000s. Weapons of dance. It'll come to me in a second. Anyway, we were talking about that right now. Exactly. But then it's the Manchester concert. It's the Manchester concert. And he did the entire album. Like the entire of the songs. Really? Yeah. From the beginning to the end. And I absolutely love the album. It is not Harry's house. We'll ever touch that. But this album is really, really good. It made a huge difference seeing him perform the songs. And listening to it again. Yeah. Yeah. It was very much the same thing because I was not. Yeah, so I can see how you liked it maybe the next time. Yeah. It was just something different.

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It just had a catchy tune. Oh, good. I'm glad you liked it. I liked it. I'm not going to say that I'm a big thing.

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You still need to listen to Father Figure, though. Yes. Father Figure. You still have to listen to it. Especially since we're huge George Michaels fans. Okay. She just puts a spin to it. Yeah. And we know the behind um the meaning behind the words and everything because of the record label and everything. So her lyrics are genius. You have to listen to that one. Alright. So you might like that one too. And then Eldest Daughter, which goes right to Eldest Daughter. Yeah. So but Harry's exactly it was Weapon of Choice. It was giving us weapon of choice. Oh yes, that's what it was. Because we like the dancing. Which we didn't hate it. No Aperture didn't hate it. We just didn't love it. It's not Harry's house. No. But that live concert when he does um American Girls. Yeah. Taste back. Taste back. Yep. Um Ready Set Ready Set Go. Ready Set Go. You realize like seeing it live is like, wait a second. And then since then, listen to the album has been like Wow, that's interesting. Yeah. So different. I would think it'd be the reverse. It made a it made a huge difference. I can even say too, and I'm a huge Ed Sheeran fan, as you know. Um but my Sheerio. Yeah, my very um, my very favorite album his is always gonna be the first one. It was plus. Um, and I I like the other ones too. I and and some of them um I like more than others, but the last one, again, I listened to it all the way through. I was like, huh. One or two songs was catchy. I liked sapphire, I liked camera. But he also um did a Netflix um special and um talked about the songs, talking about the making of the songs, and then stuff like that. And then he was in a really small room. It wasn't a concert. I love that because he does a lot more intimate um shows. So, and I love that about him. Um, so he was like in a room with in the middle, him and his foot pedal, people just standing around him, and then singing the songs and loved it so much more. Yeah, it makes a it just makes a difference to me. I agree with that. It's awesome. I agree, yeah. It's a I think it becomes a much different experience. And then going back to Harry real quick, I have to watch that because Ed has grown on me. I didn't love Ed when he first came out. I don't like him, but I like his attitude, and he is a songwriter who took revenge on the music industry and has proven over and over again that the music industry needs songwriters. Yes, and then he's a triple threat because he's a songwriter, he's a producer, and he's performs, right? Yes, and has seen him in concert, he's phenomenal. He's always like a convert, a convert with that. Yes. Um, I want to go back to Taylor in a second because I did not like Taylor for a long time. I did not like Shake It Off. I thought that was when that came out. I thought this was pop nonsense. Happy Song. But that album, which is on 1989, 1989 is my favorite album by her. Album conversion for me, because um a bunch of like punk forums that we follow, yeah, they kept talking about the songwriting on that album. This is amazing. Yeah, didn't pay attention to it, and then they kept talking about it, sat down, listened to it, and after that I was like mind-blown. Taylor is like one of the greatest songwriters of our generation. Ed, same thing, and also going back to Harry, Harry. That concert with his Manchester, he also did SNL. When he you have to watch his two his two SNL performances, in addition to doing the Skits, he was very funny. Right. But the two performances on SNL of this album was amazing. Amazing. The kid is so talented. Yeah, he is.

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Yeah, I think it's still the one where he did where he was the lawyer with uh the other one, the other guy, Mauricio. He was doing Sebastian. That was really funny. It was hilarious.

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The skits? Yes. Oh, I don't watch the skits. Oh my god, yeah, I wasn't like some comedy like that. That was funny. I always uh yeah, I always fast forward to the musical games. The musical performances are I'm just well, I'm just I'm just watching you, Sebastian Menescako. Yeah, he's hilarious. I love it. The music is really, really good. Yes. So we wanted to, in honor of you liking Ophelia, uh, one of the first things we want to talk about is what we want to bring on a segment of Everybody Always Got. So, in honor of this new segment which has resonated with our listeners, I just want to play a quick clip, which I have here queued out. Thanks so.

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Taylor Swift and several of her business partners are being sued for trademark infringement over the title of her hit album, The Life of a Showgirl, in a new lawsuit. Mary Flag by the name Mary Wade trademarked confessions of a showgirl. So did I.

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I did too. We're gonna post that. We're gonna stop right there. Yeah. So you can't say it again, Nikki. Go ahead, Nick. Say it again. Really? Right here.

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Trademark infringement over the title of her hit album, The Life of a Showgirl, in a new lawsuit. Mary Flag, who goes professionally by the name Mary Wayne, said she trademarked confessions of a showgirl in 2015.

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Confessions of a showgirl. Confessions in 2015. In 2015. The album title is not confessions. No, it's not. Yeah. Bam. Sure.

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Irene, don't people write books and don't people write like other songs? What does that mean? Confessions of a shopaholic. That's a book.

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Great book. Great book. Great book.

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I mean, she's doing confessions of a shopaholic as well. Yeah, exactly. So Taylor, um, I've been looking at a little bit. I mean, Taylor always has listen, Taylor is also a fascinating, fascinating business person. I mean, there's a whole book that's come out about her business acumen and everything she does. And if you want to go into the Taylor Swift rabbit hole, you should do it. She controls everything in her career. She has sued people for one dollar. Like there was a situation years ago, she was at a press junket. This is another reason why once I got into the Nexus, I was like, This is my person. Yeah. Deep dive. She was younger, she was at a press junket. The DJ grabbed her butt. Oh. And she sued. Good for her. That's why I said for one dollar. Because you know why? Why? She wanted to be proved proved in court that he did it. That's all she wanted was a dollar. And for her, it was more important to be like this is what happened. This is what happened. This is not okay. And this is not okay. You can't go around doing that because for every person that that person did it too and wasn't sued, that she did it. So she has a lot of things in her career she's done. Scooter Braun, that whole situation with her masters is a fascinating study. So this, she has people around her who will support her. Like you, but you're coming after her. She's a billionaire for a title that shares the word showgirl. I mean, really. But it's not, it's not gonna happen. And and and you uh you really think you're gonna give some money? Well, I think that's what they want is the money. This one is not gonna go to court.

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This is they want the money. This to me is gonna be laughed out of court. So do you remember the whole Robin Thick Marvin Gaye thing? That was that that reminds me of that. I don't remember that. So reminds me, got to give you know the beat. So he used that he was gonna sue over sampling?

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The family seriously. And they won. One they didn't give credit. Do you know how much sampling people do though? You have to give proper credit, obviously. And it's robbing thick. Oh, so they didn't um they didn't give proper credit.

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But that I can understand because it's more of the music and the beat. Yeah. This is a title. Right. How many think titles or songs or anything have the word confessions in it? I mean, seriously. Like Usher. Usher has confessions part one and confessions part two. So are you going to like hand to him because you used the word confessions? Come on. Yes. Yes.

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Definitely It was the same as uh remember they sued, you were mentioning, you mentioned it before when they sued Ed Sharon because he used the same three beats or something like that. And he was like, everyone uses those same three beats. What are you talking about? I I don't know the details of it. I forgot about it, but and he won too, actually. Because I mean, it's just ridiculous. Sampling is like sampling is one thing, and I agree with you. I agree with you. Because every everybody samples from everybody. There's the it's all full circle. It's all full circle. It's all full circle. We follow the guy on Instagram that we like, and he breaks the songs down. He's like bald-headed. He has the laptop and he goes, if you like this song, you like this song. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He does a great job because he'll be like, this is what's being sampled, this one's being mixed. Yeah. Remember Dan even got put it on book club, the young it was like a link of all the songs that are sampled. Yep. So many. It's so many. So everyone thinks that, oh yeah, this is yeah, this is the original here. No, it's not. It was out in 1971.

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Yeah. I'll tell you. Come on, now it's funny because you have kids that are like in the 20s and they listen to a song, and then we play the original version, and they're like, oh, this is from this is where so-and-so got this out. Exactly. Exactly. Yes. There's a lot of sampling.

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It wasn't, it wasn't created in 2025. It's not an original. No, it's not an original. It's not an original.

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I mean, I love that they do sample beats. I mean, there's I just don't like it when they use the same sampling, like on more than three songs. Like, okay, we've heard this on another one. That's enough.

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Yeah, true.

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But I don't mind the sampling as long as it's used in a good way. Like don't mess up the original. Yeah. You know?

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I didn't pay attention to Dochi's song Anxiety. Oh, yeah. Because the beginning was Josier? It was a Jose song at the beginning? Anxiety. Like the beginning of it is a sample. That's the Gautier. Gautier, thank you. Gautier. Did not pay attention to the song because I thought it was an uptick in Gautier being played again, and I lived through that in like 2013. Yeah. Until Oh, that song that was just like it was on every s it was. This is why everybody's on radio, right? Exactly. Yeah. 1991. Exactly.

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But then somebody said to me, No, no, no, that's Dochi's song. Gautier, yeah. And then I of course doesn't know because I, you know, I would like appreciated it. But sampling is one thing you do have to give production credit though. Uh Olivia Rego. It's like a copyright thing. Right. Olivia Rigo had that on her first album, The Sour Album. If I remember correctly, she released it. And as the album got more and more popular, she was, I believe, adding in people who helped produce it. But she was, I guess she was new or whatever, but she wasn't like ungracious about it. She was like, oh, like I messed up. They were like adding in. I remember there was an article where it was like they were adding in Taylor Swift, they were adding in people she was working with. Was someone trying to sue her? Or she just corrected it? I think she just corrected it before it got big. Yeah, before it got too big. Which appreciate you. Of course. And that's doing your producer and stuff like that. Yeah. What's happening with Taylor Swift is in a long line of instances where humans want to trademark words or phrases. Um, there was a famous one where Ohio State University and fashion designer Mark Jacobs famously sought to trademark the word the in 2019. Right for apparel. The definite article.

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Nick, Nicky's Nicks! Nick!

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Both the for clothing merchandise. Wow. We have um Mariah Carey attempted to trademark Queen of Christmas. Now when people frosting that song she's all I want to do, you know, she makes more money. That's it. I mean that's always great number one.

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However, go ahead. Wham's um last Christmas beat her this year. It did beat her this year.

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Which I think, excuse me, and I hold to the fact that that is not a Christmas song. It is not a Christmas. Wait last Christmas? No, it is a love song. It's a love song, yes.

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It's a love song that Bobby. It's a three time in the Christmas season. But it's not a Christmas song. Just like um Let us know is not a Christmas song.

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Um Cardi B, what up, Cardi? Shre applied for a trademark on I can't do it. Okay. Here you go. She tried to trademark that. I can't roll my tongue.

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I can't roll my tongue.

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I'm not even gonna I'm not even gonna try, because no. And Twitter attempted to trademark Tweet, but lost to a third party and later subtweet. So people do try to. And Twitter is not even Twitter, anyway. It's not even Twitter.

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But wait a minute, Lauren, don't they do that for like all these new words that are coming out now? Like all this, yeah, but no, when they trademark them. They don't try, but it comes, it becomes the vertebrae. It becomes a scenery or whatever.

SPEAKER_04

But that's different. Like, yeah, but you're not trying to trademark saying nobody else can use it. Yeah, trademarking the word the so there's one thing like in language six, seven, um, give me some of the new stuff.

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Um, I don't know.

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There was another one I was watching, it means cool now, trim, something like that, right? All that is just language evolving. So the people make fun of the kids for using it, and I'm like, don't make fun of them because if if it catches enough traction. But even like gaslight or ghosting, yeah.

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Like these are all words that have now been accepted into the dictionary.

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Well, all you have to do is one of my favorite websites, it's Merriam Webster's dictionary online. It's free, it's open to the public. You go on Miriam Webster's and you type in a word and gaslight's a dictionary. Yeah, we love it, we love it, we love it, right? So gaslight or gas. Which is a great movie, by the way, too. Great movie.

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There's a movie black and white movie. Yep. Gaslight. I mean it's a black and white, so it's like old school. Yeah. So is this where the word came from? So the word. I'm gonna give you that.

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So the first known use of gas light or gaslighting was in 1961.

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Wow.

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And it has to do with a movie, a psychological manipulation of a person, usually over an extended period of time, that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception, reality, memories, typical, typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence, self-esteem, uncertainty of one's emotional or mental stability, and a dependency on the perpetrator. And it's also from a play, which became a movie, a very famous one. Yeah. So in 1940, I think it they turned it into color. But um, it was a great I watched I saw it with Britt and um with our with our movie club, and it was fantastic. So gaslighting is not a new movie, it's not new. I mean a new time, a new word. I think about four or five years ago it started like really gaining track. Yeah. So even ghosting too. Ghosting is another one. So so what happens is if it is, it just takes on a different meaning. Yeah. If it is a uniquely, let's say it's a uniquely new one. So six, seven. Like six, seven. Six seven, six, seven, right. Six, seven, which is just dumb. Yeah, but it's also language evolving. So like you can't, this is the thing, is like as soon as a literary I say powerhouse, like a literary entity such as like dictionary.com or Oxford or Miriam Whipsters picks up on it. If they pick up on it, like Miriam Websters, for example, takes that word and if they put it into the dictionary, the vernacular, it's now cast into the English vernacular. I'm not saying write an email or an academic paper paper using it. Yeah, exactly. Unless you're explaining it. Because I've had students who are like, I want to do the etymology of gaslighting or six seven. Okay, write me a paper on explain what it means. Explain where it came from. Use it in sentences, correctly, correctly, punctuation. Yeah, make sure you cite where you got from it. Right, exactly. So that's that's also different. Like, that's just language evolving, English evolving, and it's what English does absorbs and takes on, right? It does, sure. Trademarking whole takes on a whole totally other thing. And we have Nikki and I have worked on trademarking applications. We're still working on one. Dan's helping us. Um it's so extensive, it's extensive, yeah. Taking the, which is the definite article of English and trying to trademark it, they're gonna kick you out. They're gonna kick you out. The trademark office is gonna be like, please stop. Yeah, it's going in the circular bin. That would mean no one can use the word the. How can you form something? So the is gonna have the little R next to it, the little circle in here, and then you get into also having to pay money to pay right on using it? Are you kidding me? Come on, now that's why going back full circle wild ride. This whole thing with Taylor's album. Yeah, ma'am, you just want money personally. You just want money. Yeah, yeah. She just wants to be amazing. And right, and then the hope is I guess people read uh their column that they write because they write a column about the confessions of a showgirl or something along those lines. But Taylor's album. It's amazing how you have selective memory now. Like all of a sudden, you know, you remember what you did 11 years ago, and now oh, Taylor had you know, Taylor's not the first one that used confessions anywhere between 2015 and 2026. And the album was 2026. The life of a showgirl. Exactly. The life of a showgirl. It's not the same as the confessions. No. And I will say this it's not my favorite album by her. It's a very good album. It's not her best album. It's a very good album. Not her big album. I actually love the two that she did during COVID too. Oh. Folklore and uh Evermore. Saved my life. Amazing. Saved our lives. Absolutely amazing. Folklore and Evermore.

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Well, rumor is she's getting married in New York July 3rd. Shut it. This weekend. Like, hello. Are we going?

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Shut it. Negative. We want to play New York City because July 4th. Wait, maybe it'll be live streamed on YouTube. It's July 4th. July 4th is a Saturday. Listen.

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Yeah, I'm off that Friday. I would be surprised if it is streamed all over Tennessee. I'm sure it is probably. It's probably gonna be streamed. Do you think she'll do that?

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Or do you think she'll do a private?

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I don't know. At least it won't be a football game. Because you know what if she has so many fans. Who knows? It will not be at a football game. You know, they uh just signed him 50 mil. Do you have to play another football? We signed him up for new season. I was like, 50 mil.

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He wants to play one more season under the smiled.

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So July 3rd.

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July 3rd. We will see. Well, July 4th weekend is July 4th is a Saturday.

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Third is when we get observed.

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July 4th weekend.

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Can I go back to when you guys were talking about Ed Sheeran? Yeah. Uh, how he's a songwriter, producer, and he performs. Yeah. Yes. Triple Threat. Bruno Morris is the same, is it? Yes. Okay. I gotta say, I'm a little disappointed with In the new album? Yeah. I didn't listen to it. Listen. So that first song that came out with what is it called? Just Right or something like that? Just might or something? I just might. I just might. There's a second one that was pretty cool. I feel like it's the same as his last songs that came out. And I'm like, here I am thinking, all right, new Bruno's like it sounded like the same thing.

SPEAKER_04

Well at least he's going back to being like normal.

SPEAKER_03

Well he said he's no longer broke. I saw that. Oh, so that's why off his debts. Yeah. Maybe that's why the lyrics have changed and he's not, you know Now the love song they came out. Yeah, the love song they came out still beautiful. I could see that being the wedding song of the year. Oh wow. You know, certain songs are released, yeah. That um are used as the wedding song of the year. That I could see that. But when he came out with that song, I was like, okay, it sounds like it belonged on his last album. Last album? Yeah. I wasn't impressed. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04

Is it Risk at all you don't like? Is that the other one? There's another one on the album I thought was good. Did you give it to you give it another listen or just one listen?

SPEAKER_03

I'll probably give it another listen, but it's the boleto. It's like a bolero song. Okay.

SPEAKER_04

I'm looking at it because I I mean even after a second listen, you might you might still not like it.

SPEAKER_03

He has the Spanish girl in the video. It's very like very Latin style um video. Yeah, but I think it's called um let me see. The album is the romantic, right? That's his new album.

SPEAKER_04

I agree, I agree with you. It's a throwback to uh doo-ops and hooligans, which I appreciate because that's to me like that is premium risk it all, I think that that's the song. Risk it all, yeah. You like it?

SPEAKER_03

I did like it. Beautiful wedding song. Okay. Beautiful wedding song. But I just might On My Soul was another one. I think this is the one I like that's on his new one. That is on his new one.

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Here we go.

SPEAKER_03

Give me a real 80s funk vibe. What I'm saying is that it's good, but I just feel like not great. If you gave me his two albums, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Okay. That's what I'm saying. It's not fresh, it's not fresh or new.

SPEAKER_04

It's not like something new. Yeah. That's true. I mean, I can't imagine. But then again, he went to one extreme when he was broke. I know. And I was just like, what are you? I think I left you guys a voice. Yeah, you were on my drive. What? I was like, what? Bruno. I'm gonna say, we're not prudes, but no. That was pretty bad. That was pretty bad. It was bad. Yeah, it was pretty bad. He has money now. Oh my god. Yeah, I didn't say that. I mean, it just broke any more matter. You talk about it? Exactly. You'll give me some. I do love him. Like we I mean, we love him, we love him, we love him. We do. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I love him. Would you see him in concert?

SPEAKER_03

I would, yes. Okay. I would see him in concert. Would you be a cue? I would not pay to be all the way up front. I'll go to the nosebleeds and I'll enjoy a concert. Okay. If you won tickets free on the radio, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04

There you go. Absolutely. There you go. Would you be in the cube? Yes. Well, we can go to my other man, Luke Perry.

SPEAKER_02

Luke Perry. Luke Perry Kits. Uh yes, he did. He did?

SPEAKER_03

Yes. And he is the hot dad of the week. Luke Perry. In memoriam. Memorium. As a matter of fact, you know, we were cleaning out the garage yesterday, and I found all my CDs and cassettes. Yes. And I actually found the 90210 soundtrack that I have in CD.

SPEAKER_04

Yes. That's a good one. Yeah, Luke had uh two children, including Jack.

SPEAKER_03

So that's hot dad of the week will be Luke Perry.

SPEAKER_04

He's waiting for me on the other side. The other side, girl. My Dylan McKay. Very, very handsome. Wait, did you Google Hot Dad? Yeah. Hot Dad celebrities. Went home. I bought a chicken too. I bought a rotisserie chicken. It was delicious.

SPEAKER_03

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