#45 - Sophie Vo: Building Bridges Between Business and Consciousness

In this episode, Sam Bell speaks with Sophie Vo about bringing more of the whole human into business: heart, healing, responsibility, joy, intuition and higher consciousness.

Sophie has spent more than 20 years in technology, entrepreneurship, games and leadership. Now, through ORIN and her wider work, she supports leaders and women to come back to their own truth, voice and power. This conversation explores what becomes possible when business can hold more than strategy and execution. It can also hold healing, love, self-mastery, connection and the unseen dimensions that shape how people build.

Content note: this conversation includes brief references to plant medicine.

Thank you to Ludovic Bodin for introducing Sam and Sophie.

This episode explores:
• Joy as a daily practice
• Women’s leadership, sisterhood and returning to yourself
• Healing, safety and going deeper than the mind
• Business as a responsibility, not only a vehicle for achievement
• Bridging the physical business world with the more invisible world
• Love in leadership, emotional self-mastery and conscious founders
• Human Design, Enneagram, plant medicine and tools that help us understand ourselves
• Vulnerability, multidimensionality and being more fully yourself in public

Guest bio
Sophie Vo is a leadership transformation coach, founder of ORIN, and former tech and gaming leader. She has over 20 years of experience as a tech leader and coach, and has guided more than 200 leaders through transformative journeys. Sophie has studied with teachers of transformation including Mezaelle, Satya, Quantum Soul Academy and Homaya.

In 2024, Sophie made a complete transition to dedicate herself to bringing greater consciousness into leadership and business, restoring integrity, vitality and balance to the world.

Guest links:
• Sophie Vo: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sophie-vo-riseandplay/
• ORIN: https://www.orinjourney.com/
• About ORIN and Sophie: https://www.orinjourney.com/about
• Rise and Play: https://riseandplay.substack.com/

Conversation references:
• Ludovic Bodin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ludovicbodin
• Human Design: https://www.mybodygraph.com/
• Enneagram Institute: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/

Chapters:
00:00 Welcome to Sophie Vo
01:30 Joy as a daily practice
03:28 Women, retreats and returning to yourself
08:16 Dance, voice and creative expression
10:31 Safety, healing and going deeper than the mind
14:27 Conscious business and founders’ responsibility
25:45 Bridging business with the invisible world
30:08 Human Design, Enneagram and self-understanding
39:11 Multidimensionality, vulnerability and being fully yourself

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Credits:
Hosted by Samantha (Sam) Bell in Kiama and Berlin, 24 April, 2026.
Produced at the Kiama office, 24 April - 14 May, 2026.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Welcome to the Natural Genius Podcast. We're here to help you tap into your natural genius. Let's go. Welcome to a fun episode. I've been introduced to Sophie Vaux through a mutual friend who describes her as a French Vietnamese sandbell. So that should be good fun. She has a huge depth of experience in entrepreneurialism and the online game industry and runs her own podcast. So I have a feeling we'll have loads to talk about. Enjoy hearing from Sophie. Sophie, thank you so much for your time. Welcome to the Natural Genius Podcast.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Thank you, Sam. I'm ready and present for where a conversation will go today. I trust, you know, that's all like I have how came in today, trust, uh, feeling in a in a very good mood, light, joy, and so I feel prepared.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

Oh Sophie, tell me more about feeling joyful. And I wonder if it's a is it a more often emotional feeling these days after having experienced a lot in life, or is this a usual aspect of your lovely character?

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yeah, I would say today joy is a more a practice. Uh a practice, yeah, because every morning when I wake up, I have my routine. I call it a morning light routine. So bringing light. Uh, because you know, we have different, I don't know, nights we dream, maybe sleep, quality of sleep. So that can actually set quite a lot the day. So what I do, yeah. So maybe you see through the window, I just have uh a park in front of uh my place, and so by the window, uh every morning I um do some chanting, uh a bit of prayer, I look at my plants. So I have a row of plants, and I just you know spend time a bit with them, and yeah, I connect to whatever everything that is beautiful for me in life, and then I feel in a state of joy. So to your question, um yeah, joy, of course, is a state I'm not always joyful, but I uh nurture it and practice it to come back to it because uh yeah, that's what I bring also in my work. Uh yeah, that's my commitment also to this way I want to be in this world as a as me. Um yeah, and so that's what I bring today. That's part of it. Oh, I love joy. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

How how very lucky your clients and those around you are, Sophie. So you tell me in your work with uh with women and uh enhancing leadership, tell me what do you love about that space and um what sort of what things are you enjoying these days about working with leaders and supporting them?

SPEAKER_00 3:28

So the journey with women was not necessarily a choice, it was where my own evolution took me. So maybe I'll say a few words about that first. Uh, because before I I would say my former life in tech, quite deep in tech and business, I was very much surrounded by men, and that was my main environment. And um I didn't develop that much connection with women by the absence of them also in the space, but uh, the few ones that uh I connected with uh as leaders like me, I was having them on the podcast like we just discussed before. And I think something developed for me where as I connected more with women, I connected with my own womanhood. And so the more I connected with that part of me, the more I felt connection with other women. So everything was a parallel. And so today, when I work with containers of women, we go on retreats together, profound retreat where we have transformation. So it's not your retreat as a vacation, but it's retreat really for your evolution, getting closer to you. So away from the script, whatever story we tell ourselves to your home, yourself. And the part that has moved me the most is first I see always a part of my journey in all the women. And that's I think what's beautiful when we have a circle in uh which is a constellation of women in itself. Every woman, although super different, they can have different uh backgrounds, different cultures. One would say something and others would resonate with with the story, or not all of but, and then we are yeah, like a council, and so that's that's the part I that moves me the most is how they relate with each other, and it's very healing just to hear others or share with others and know you're not alone, which is uh you know, it's like not an intellectual uh process, it's an embodied process. So when you actually know that you're not alone, and you see other women who have had a path like you, so it's it's very healing. And um the metaphor I have when I think of about my work with women is like flowers. I I have I have many flowers at home, I love flowers, and I so something I notice when I have flowers, sometimes I do singing circles. They open and they bloom, and you know, they uh when there's singing, a lot of love in the air, a lot of light. And I see that for women who uh come to me in the work, they are a bit burnt out, exhausted, depleted. I can see that there's that, I don't know, fog and weight. It's like they they're exhausted of carrying something that is not them. And when they reconnect to their essence, I see this as a flower. Uh the smile, the face changes, the way we speak, the softness. Still the power is there, but with the balance of softness, and it's so beautiful to witness. And they start to dare to follow the path that is theirs without the fear, without the control, and witnessing that. So I have witnessed the transformation of you women going even more in a path away from I don't know, business, but healers sometimes. Uh, some become breath work facilitators. Uh, one now is organizing retreats in the US as a partner with me. And just seeing that, it's for me, it's like it's like uh a rose that opens, you know, and that's that's uh the part I like the most. I could do this forever. When I do, I don't even call it this work. For me, it's a vocation at this point. If I could be in that space forever, I I don't need to go anywhere. When I'm in that space, I feel at home. It's it's uh so at retreats, for example, it's it's just uh such a joy. And uh in a way, of course, I put a lot of energy to organize those retreats, it's a service. And when also I'm in there in service, I I I receive for myself what a gift to be here, and uh I'm also receiving for being here. Uh so it's it's uh yeah, I I I could be in those spaces forever, I feel.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

One of the questions I had for you, Sophie, was what do you do for fun? And I think that that's or what do you love to do and what's most fun to you for you these days. I I think you just answered one at one example. What else do you love to do? I loved hearing about your retreats and your work.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Yeah, so um I always come back to uh me and uh what is the what's happening in me and uh where are the conflicts? Because the conflicts is also the ones that the women I work with film, and so as I do the work, you know, we do it together. So to the fun for me, it's going back to my I don't know, child self. Uh and she's very artistic, she likes to dance, she likes to, it's not it's not in a performance uh way, but it's just like to like be connected, you know. So I love to dance through the music, so I dance in my kitchen every day actually. Um, and I create spaces where we have body movement, so we dance together with women. We we uh move some parts of a body that are usually not moving, so the hips and the body. So I I do every Saturday Brazilian twerk with girlfriends, for example. And it's it's an amazing class because it's not about you know being sexy in the mirror and all that, what what we think of twerk, but it's reclaiming the parts of our body and where we can even not look that graceful, it does not matter. It just feels great to move your hips and some part of your body that just free the energy. So that I do a lot for fun singing with uh friends in circle and exploring the voice, letting it wander and do what it needs to do, because freeing the voice is freeing our expression, right? So uh craft, so everything that is you know creating form of art and beauty, I I love the spaces, so that's uh the definition of fun for me.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Sophie, if you could wind back the clock by I don't know, a decade or two, what would you love to say to that person back then in terms of because what you just described sounds different.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Yeah, so let's say 20 years ago, I'm 40, so I was 20, okay. Um trying to connect back to that that um part of myself. Um I would tell her um you're safe. I was not feeling safe, so I was doing many, many things to finally feel safe. Uh but uh yeah, the safety was not outside, it was to be beyond inside, but that was a journey of uh 20 years or maybe even more. Um that uh you're safe. You're gonna you're gonna be okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

I wonder if through different uh healing practices and experiences, Sophie, whether you have gotten yourself into a place where you feel safe and then you can go beyond that into things like singing and dance. Because that sounds like it's the more that our root system is strong and where we have that platform, then fun and levity and lightness can come can flow more quickly, can't it?

SPEAKER_00 11:55

Yes, um, yes, I it was a process uh of um yeah, healing, and I would use this word really now openly. Um because even in the past for me it was there was some shame, embarrassment to even have something to heal. Uh and I think that's the story that some of us carry is like no, nothing is wrong, nothing. I had a I had a good childhood, I think. Um but in the end we are all carrying something, you know, from this life, from the generations before us, society, culture, history. So um owning the fact that we are all on a healing journey, that helps just to set the expectation and not like trying to avoid it. And then I uh from my journey of what I call growth, but in the end it was healing. I I was going a layer deeper each time. Uh how and the whole focus. So it was really a journey of more consciously, the past 10 years, I'd say, I had quite a few difficult events that made me really question my way of approaching life because I could identify some repeat. And then I was the moment of you know, introspection is like what uh what can I change instead of like others changing for me? That's the main question, right? So through this journey, uh however it led me to where I'm at today, the same philosophy applied, which was uh you can only control you. I'm not saying even your emotion, but your thoughts, be observant, what's going on, how you see the world, you know, what how what you tell yourself and the actions. So a lot of that was the focus, and it had different levels of consciousness through my journey. Uh, and went to other dimensions as I got deeper and deeper into this healing.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Well, Sophie, you are a treasure to spend time with. Tell me if you could change anything in business or in leadership, what would you like to see different in the future?

SPEAKER_00 14:27

So that's also what I'm I'm focusing on why I I stay in business, because I've been in that crossroad where I could go very deep into the wellness space and people who are already you know raising their hands. I need healing, I need to work on my yeah, my wounds, my growth. And I work also with this category of people. Uh and in business, I see where this is the most needed because that's where I've been there, where the pressure is very strong, and then you see all the things coming out, and then not so much so many resources to navigate that. So what I wish to see in business is uh founders, entrepreneurs who uh take responsibility that they understand uh deeply when they start a business, it's a responsibility. So what I mean by that, are you building a business for yourself from your ego that you want to be loved at the end of this journey? And very likely you won't feel that way if that's really the goal, because everything that will happen will make you love yourself less. So that's that's the journey I've seen for many. So it's an endless race. So that's why I work in coaching with some of them to so they free themselves from themselves. Um and then you have other conscious movement of conscious founders, entrepreneurs who have done some work for themselves and then are really asking themselves what is really what I'm building, and what's the impact on the people I'm on uh onboarding in this journey? Employees, team, partners, investors, and the consumers. So at the end, with clients, uh, what is it that I give, I serve, I offer, but will also impact their lives, right? So there's a stream of consciousness from what kind of structure am I building for people to spend 80% of their life, and which is a form of influence. Um I've been there, I know that. So it goes back at home, you know, for people who are affected by at work, it's it stays with them at home, and then it creates a lot of uh a lot of anxiety and stress when the workplace is uh unfortunately also the place of stress. And um I worked in mobile games before, and I asked myself as well, okay, I'm creating amazing games, products that are joyful, but at the same time making a lot of money. Uh, so that was quite comfortable for many years. And then there's the other side, which is okay, we are less and less connected with ourselves. People have less tools to even be connected with each other, and I'm building products that keep people on the phone. Is this what I should be doing? So that's when I started to take a different path and continue my uh path as an entrepreneur, but direct the energy to what I believe. So now I work more with human presence, creating spaces for connection, transformation, human to human. Um, and so that's that's the kind of uh founders, entrepreneurs I'd like to see more um asking themselves the right question and not building a company to heal a wound. But that happens because it's not conscious, so it's in the end more conscious than business.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Oh, keep talking, Sophie. I think about that future makes me excited, I think, to imagine business. Well, firstly, I feel very privileged that we're living in these times to be able to have those conversations and with the insight of perhaps the last 10 or 20 years uh to talk to scale-ups or startups or um different founder experiences and the introduction of the internet and mobile and to see the burnout patterns that can happen and then to go into business creating businesses beyond um those earlier stages. So thank you for giving me insight in terms of what's important to you and also what's possible. I I'm excited by the work that you do.

SPEAKER_00 19:23

Yeah, thank you. And we are part of this uh movement, you know, and reality, because even us running a podcast, where a podcast, you know, you have many topics, but it's it's a channel to transmit some thoughts, some ideas, some perspective, and it's already planted, you know, by us being here and having this conversation. So I'm also very grateful for you creating the space.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Tell me, you were saying with your podcast, I should have said thank you then. Thank you. Um with your podcast, you were saying that it's evolved from guest interviews, perhaps through other stages, and then more recently you do insights from your coaching. That must be so fascinating, Sophie, because I wonder the person that you are whether those insights crystallize fast, and maybe there's clients that you have at any one time that it's maybe there's some similarities there, and so you actually get to see and talk to in your new podcast episodes, those themes that are coming through. Tell me more about what you're enjoying about your podcast now, and also maybe a little bit around some of the insights that you've been observing lately.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

Yeah, and I I'm again very uh grateful for being able to speak on a podcast because I'm the one on the other side, so you know those moments are very rare and precious, so it brings me joy to just be able to um yeah connect with the question and reflect for myself. Um yeah, I um for the context, I evolved the podcast enough last year, and it was um, I'm sure you probably have experienced that for an thing you run. I always look at it with energy. What is my energy into it? And then I started to find myself dragging to schedule, finding people, and I felt it's just the energy is not going there. And that what do I do? Should I stop? Should I so it was requiring a transformation?

SPEAKER_01 21:39

And I took a break from a podcast for a month and I was willing to let it go completely, but then I have a sorry to interrupt, you were saying that you started yours through the pandemic, so this is perhaps five years in or so when you were going through this, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

Yeah, exactly. So I was asking. Myself, do I still have the energy for a podcast? Period. And uh so it was quite limiting thoughts because it was very binary. I stop or continue. And so I gave it space. And I had uh end of the year, I was going also through personally a separation, a lot of life changes, whole alignment. So I was not sure how the podcast would land in all this new structure. And end of a year, after quite some deep healing, recentering, finding my track again, uh, I had that aha moment like, okay, now I can reincorporate the podcast, and it's gonna be my stream of consciousness. So that's how I approached it. Uh, because I was already writing blog posts. That's what I do when I meet people, I write on LinkedIn, I I have short reels on Instagram, and I thought, okay, the podcast channel is another channel, and this is a great way to transmit uh what's alive in my practice. So it was an experiment, and since then it was an experiment more for me, uh, because I don't look too closely at numbers. I'm just you know, because that's not the numbers that define if I should do it or not, it's internal. How am I feeling when I record for my own reflection? Because just preparing for the podcast, recording, listening back to myself, uh, publishing is deepening my practice. And that's what I bring to my clients in coaching sessions, and vice versa. What they bring, and I start to identify patterns, I bring the insights. So it's like a loop, you know, that feeds itself. So for me, it's part of the work. It's not anymore, oh, it's a marketing channel that needs to do this and that, because that's when I started to treat it this way, that's when it started to uh like go uh down for me. And I had to find my way of what is the meaning for me to uh the podcast. And I can see also the joy for you to have this conversation. So I think we are understanding each other here. You know what yeah, what what is it for us? And uh the themes I wanted to um uh address in this podcast. So I thought of a very practical format. I know people are busy, and I thought I'm going to do a 15-minute reflection. I was looking in the space, usually you have quite long podcasts, so it's always a choice, a commitment to choose this or that podcast. And I thought I want to build routine with uh people who are following me. So they can, if they follow all the episodes, they're going to start to think like me. And it's a free resource where without having to work with me, you can get a sense of the coaching uh I uh I bring. And a lot of the themes are around uh self-mastering, so how you manage yourself and your energy. And there are so many different themes and layers of that as I deepen my work, as I train. So I'm training also uh at the moment to with plant medicine, uh, so really path of medicine healer, uh, which is going to be a complement in my coaching practice. It took me a while before I could be even able to talk about it. Um, and I finished also my training as an energy healer. So all those insights, they are all connected, and I'm I'm a bridge. I bridge the business physical world with my language to the more invisible world. And what I bring to the podcast is that bridge where I studied a series, for example, around what are the five self-sabotage patterns of leaders, us as humans, people pleaser, having an empty cup, fear leading with fear, or doing things alone. So I identified some patterns and so I go straight to the insight. So then for the people, they don't have to study themselves for too long, they just know the list and they can already do the work. Um and now I have another series that I just completed. So for the listeners here, if you're curious, you can just follow the whole series and then you you go through your own process of uh mastering yourself a little more. It's on emotions. What are emotions and what do they mean for you as a compass? So we go through the most uncomfortable and pushed away emotions: anger, shame, grief. Uh, and one episode I enjoyed recording was um love, love in leadership. Why can't we be in love in leadership? Why are we more leaning to fear? So I you know, we create the reality that we are, so I'm spreading love in leadership to have more people connected to the heart, you know, when they lead businesses.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Yay!

SPEAKER_01 27:05

I was asking you, Sophie, before about the future that you would like to see. That that's another aspect of it, I think, it was a leading question. I have a feeling that through our mutual friend that introduced us, there would always be heart-based leadership or heart-led leadership. Yes. It's so lovely to hear. One of the things that I'm really enjoying about this podcast, and I wonder, Sophie, if you could if you might end up nodding your head to this, is the people that I meet. I love hearing of their multi-dimensionality. You have a background in entrepreneurialism and business and mobile games. Now you're coaching and studying plant-based medicine and energy healing, the aspect of your dancing and other things. It's it it really is so beautiful how unique we are. And recently I had this image of a mosaic that everyone that has come into Sophie's life, and each conversation and each topic or each experience or each thought is each person is all like this beautiful mosaic that makes Sophie. And no wonder Sophie is beautiful because this mosaic is a composition of so many different aspects.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Yes, and I'm nodding, yes. In the end, you know, we are um I have um I have an illustration when I work with um at retreats what uh is a transformation, and it's like imagine a dot and circles around the dots, multiple layers, and we have a dot in the middle, and we are a system, right? So us everything that we do is has a ripple effect on our circles. So the closed circles, relative, our environment, our teams, our outer circle, like society, you know. So we are part of a system, of course. And so again, the thing that we shape is who's part of our system. Is this a system we choose or is this a system we inherit inherit? And definitely uh I'm giving a lot of credit in how I am and feel today to all the beautiful souls that have been uh connected with me and they're in my heart, you know, uh, and uh that friend in common. Uh he's quite present often in my heart, and you know, uh so uh there's some aspects uh of him, uh his spirits that are there with me, and that's the strength, you know. We're never fully alone when we carry with us, you know, the the heart of others.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Oh sorry, you say the most beautiful words.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

My gift is uh my expression. So again, I um I look also into human design and chakras, and uh my active parts of myself is my fruit, so that's why I think, that's why I so thank you for pointing out the words. And so when I understand that, I know that language is my uh main channel of transmission, a voice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

There's different pieces that I've picked up from different tools. Years ago, I did the Enneagram, that was helpful. I was lucky enough to uh have a friend Zana do a human design debrief for me. I'm a hermit optimist and a generator. The generator aspect really made sense because I've been a chief of staff and I've been a founder and a co-founder and I love getting stuff done. I've had people say, it's amazing how much you can get done. Even for this podcast, I'm aiming for 50 episodes within a few months. Friends are like, what? But I dare say other generators would be like, Well, yeah, of course. Yeah. So I love hearing that you're referred to human.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Yeah, I had a feeling. Yeah, I I feel you as a generator. I'm a manifesting generator.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

I feel you. When I met our mutual friend Ludo at Network School, there was a few of us that knew about human design and were encouraging others to learn about it because I think in the startup space it is very helpful to know that profile. I wondered about whether you feel through your some of your work whether you have a wider support. These days we can connect into some of those more esoteric aspects of life and realize that it's time now for us to use them to support us and to be part of our landscape rather than running from them and just staying in a really rational business world.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

Yeah, I I see that evolution, but again, you know, we are in the reality that we are, so somehow the people who are in this shift are around me. Uh, so I'm not so I don't see so much in the field than the ones who are not, because yeah, we are creating the field around us. But from my uh position, I see a movement, but uh there's the limitation of the mind because I think we have so much knowledge, uh, and we have like studied all the corners of the mind, and then is that it? You know, it's like why am I not feeling better? I know everything about my story, I know what to do, and still here I am stuck. You know, that's that's the situation I find many of my clients, and because the problem is not here, uh I mean it's or the solution is not here, it's here, here, you know, like around. So uh also another observation of context. I think there are also institutions that used to give safety, uh certainty of life, why am I here? But are collapsing uh and uh not passed on in the next generation. Um religions is one, you know, it's it's it has transformed. Uh you have non-religious gathering places still in the church, but non-religious. So I see this at least in Berlin. Uh the state also is not anymore the place that people can expect to be uh giving away your responsibility, you know. Um yeah, or sometimes family as well. So there are some structure um systems that are have uh fallen, and then I think it starts to raise the question what else is there? What can I rely on when those are falling apart? And I think COVID was a big part of it as well, where we see okay, everything that we are trying to grasp on, it can just disappear like this. Um yeah, so there's that, and there's um in my own journey because this it's not a coincidence. It's not like I woke up one morning and thought, I'm going to do that. I'm just part of a movement where I felt also stuck at some point, and I felt there was more, and I've always felt it most of my life. I was just pushing it away, so my connection to other dimensions of what's in the world, the non-visible world. And um I have also my Asian background, Vietnamese background, and in the family when uh uh at home we had altars, uh, we were sharing the home between Buddhist culture, Buddhist religion, and um Catholic from my father and mother. And I pushed that away. I was actually um yeah, not feeling it. And then the journey has been the past years to reconnect with it. Um and so back to your question about my ancestral connection, it starts already from that family where Vietnamese culture, it's we're as Asian cultures, we are connected to the divine. Uh, it's very present. Uh, and now I understand why it's there, and uh, it's it's like a discovery from another lens, which is not the religious religious part. I'm giving away responsibility of my life. It's like I understand what's this function, and so I I have spent some time in doing research, uh, sometimes through planned uh medicine ceremonies to go very deep and understand. And it's I'm discovering more, let's say year by year. But for example, I have connections with uh shamans, I have a line uh with shamanic roots, and now I understand why my connection to nature, uh certain circles, why the plant medicine it's been calling me, and why? Because it's there, and uh in Vietnam also there are those roots, so I'm going to spend some time in the lens there to understand a bit more my bloodline. And I have on the on other uh line, so I have the side of my father, but the side of my mother, more of a Catholic. I have seen also um an ancestral line of light beings, you know, more whether people believe in it or not. And I didn't I used to not believe in uh believe in it uh angels, angel, angelic beings, uh, and so I have a lot of light. And then today you ask, like, how do I have joy? I I that's that's what I call in every morning. My ancestors, and they protect me where I walk in the world. When I walk in a ceremony, when I walk in the street, I'm protected. I'm actually I feel quite protected, and I have a very different experience of my life in Berlin where it can be uh sometimes very aggressive, not friendly. That's the experience of many of my friends around. That's not the experience I have because I have this protection and I nurture it. And so I don't have this kind of interaction. So that's interesting to work at that level, and that's what I work also with my clients. It's work on your field. That's that's the only thing you can do. You can't control others, but it's like magnetic, you know. What's what's post to you, if it's light, brings and you know, so or you bring more uh you know, of your wounds and your shadow, then you have to work on them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Oh, I love hearing that. That was beyond what I could have expected, as well. So Sophie, and you remind me that often when we do feel like there's more, whether there's something missing or there's something more to discover, it that personal growth journey is different for all of us, and it is so great to have the encouragement and the courage to be able to do it and discover. And I can feel Ludo's presence and the person who's introduced us, I can feel him nodding away, going, Yeah, I knew that you two would enjoy meeting. I knew that there would be connections. So thank you so much for lifting my spirits and for bringing that joyfulness that perhaps comes from your being being uplifted by many different things and the practice that you do first thing in the morning.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

Yeah. And same, you know, I feel also that that energy and presence with you. Um so I'm grateful to be able to record such a podcast, you know. So back to you know, what is the future we want to see? Uh, I'm glad that we could talk about the different dimensions of business and beyond. That's that's the time I want to see where we are not separating this us to you know, the other realms to be in unity again. That's that's that's what is required. So that is a big step, and I am very grateful for you and creating that space.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

Keep speaking, Sophie, keep that voice coming out and your articulation and your connection. That that's what you just did in that moment. Well, I mean, it's easy to have you on this podcast because you you just speak so eloquently about so many different topics. And also, I think I said to you before we hit record that the experience of this podcast, seeing people's multidimensionality is such a pleasure, pleasure and privilege. It's natural genius as a name is actually an uh homage to the fact that we are all different, we are all unique, we all find our way in the world in different ways. And that is such a beautiful thing to both admire and showcase. So is there anything that we haven't covered, Sophie, that you would like to talk to?

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Uh I will swap a bit verse. One question I have for myself, but for you as well. Um something that I reflect on regularly is and it's my a reflection of my own journey. Is the world ready or is my world ready for what I'm experiencing? You know, so uh it's a bit always that question of how open is like the coming out moment. Can I share, you know, openly? Is it safe? Um, of course, in very conscious spaces, that's where I love to connect with you or like uh uh Ludovic, to be fully myself multidimensionally. Uh, but it is an adjustment sometimes when I go like in the very um physical world, even like on this podcast, it requires uh this podcast, it requires some uh vulnerability. So I wonder as well for you the journey, how you navigate this as well.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

Sophie, it feels so aligned. I wonder if you've had this experience from your podcast. And I've had various friends say to me, Are you okay sharing those aspects or a particular episode? It doesn't even cross my mind. I feel like this honouring of each individual that comes on the podcast, and there is curation, it's not that I'm saying to every person I pass in the street, come on the podcast. So there is that sensing into who will come on. Not once had a moment of going, I shouldn't share this. I do like I did with you, Sophie. I say if there's anything you're not comfortable with in the moment, we will cut it out. And if the whole thing doesn't work out, then we'll cut it.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

Thank you. I'm receiving that, and um, I think it's um I'm taking a bit of that energy forward. So thank you.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

Thank you so much for your time, Sophie. I really appreciate it. Same, same, sam. Thanks for listening to the Natural Genius Podcast. Please share this with anyone who came to mind and visit us at naturalgenus.com.au. Thanks so much.