9. UNDERTONE (2026) REVIEW

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This week we're taking a look (and a listen) at A24's UNDERTONE. Will this prove to be the scariest horror movie of 2026? Tom would certainly say so. Listen to find out for yourself, and stay tuned for WORST HORROR MOVIE BOYFRIEND(S) next week... OR ELSE!!

Time Codes:

Intro: 00:00:00

Horror News: 00:01:05

Undertone Non-Spoiler Review: 00:09:11

Undertone Spoiler Review: 00:21:29

Undertone Conclusion (Non-Spoilers): 01:00:20

Who What Watch Read When (Weh): 01:06:24

Outro: 01:16:13

Logo designed by Kiah Ellis-Durity

Musical theme by Moira Christy

Special thanks to Gordon Durity

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Welcome back to Whispers in the It's okay, we're trying something new this week.

SPEAKER_04 0:27

Bear with us, please.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Okay, it's like I'm remembering my lines here. Welcome back to Whispers in the Woods, guys, your last resort for all things horror. I'm your host, Emily. I'm Devin.

SPEAKER_04 0:40

And I'm Tom. Guys, we are back again for another week, our ninth week. This time, by the time this comes out, I think this show will have been around for two months now.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

So that's very exciting.

SPEAKER_04 0:52

It's been a great two months. Uh, should we start off this episode with some horror news?

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Let's do it. Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 0:58

I realize I always pose this question, even though this is the thing we literally do every week. Yeah. So let's get into it. Um, Emily, this is news for you. There's been an original 35mm uncut print of Christopher Gann's 2006 Silent Hill. This has been discovered. It's reportedly NC17. It's eight minutes longer than the original, and uh it's promised to be more violent.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Well, I love that promise. Yes. And I hope it lives up to that.

SPEAKER_04 1:28

It's uh just getting like a 4K scan right now. So you might in the near future see a whole new version of this movie that is 20 years old now.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

Do you know anything about it being released to like select theaters or will it be released online?

SPEAKER_04 1:44

So far, we will just the information that we have is that it's been discovered, it's getting a scan, uh, anything else would be like speculation, but probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Yeah, I really hope so. That would be very cool. I mean, I already think that the film is pretty disturbing and gory. So to see more of that, I would be very excited. That is exciting. That's really cool.

SPEAKER_04 2:06

Yeah, I knew that you would like that one. Um, also this week there was some casting announcements for Mike Flanagan's The Exorcist reboot. Oh, did you both know that this was happening?

SPEAKER_01 2:16

No. I just looked up like horror movies coming out in 2026 and I saw that was getting made.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

Oh, wait, it's this year?

SPEAKER_01 2:25

Yeah. Really? Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:27

That's surprising. I had no clue that this was even a thing. I mean, what a busy man that Mike Flanagan is. Like, he's just coming off the Carrie series, which we still haven't even seen any promo for.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Yeah, and he's been like a producer on a lot of horror films this past year. He needs to slow down. He must be tired.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:46

And now he's coming out with a remake of one of the most famous and influential horror movies of all time.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

And it's of the actual Exorcist, not Exorcist 2, 3 or the thing from a few years ago.

SPEAKER_04 2:57

Yeah, no, it isn't like a continuation of like that, David Gordon Green.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

What did we think of that one a few years ago?

SPEAKER_04 3:02

Didn't see it. I was completely turned off of David Gordon Green after Halloween ends. Yeah. Desire to come back.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Well, I watched it, and I'll tell you that it's not worth watching. Okay. Cool.

SPEAKER_04 3:15

I'll continue to ignore it. But this new Exorcists, it has a stacked cast. Uh so it has Kate Siegel, Mike Flanagan's wife, who starred in Hush and also Haunting of Hill House. It's got John Liguizamo, who I love him mainly just because he was Luigi in the 90s Mario movie. Which is an underrated movie. Uh it's got Carl Lumbly, who was Holleron in Doctor Sleep.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_04 3:41

And I think he did a really great job in that movie.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Nice.

SPEAKER_04 3:44

Uh it also has Carla Gugino, who was Oh, and Lovera. She's great.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

And Spy Kids. And Spy Kids, most important. She was in Spy Kids. I just know.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

That's awesome. Uh I know her mostly from Gerald's game.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:55

And also Haunting of Hill House. Big news also, Scarlett Johansson was cast in The Exorcist. So this is just like recent that she's in this. She is not big in the horror genre. She's in Jurassic World, whichever. Who the fuck cares? She was in um uh the what was that? She was in Under the Skin.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:17

So, you know, she's dipped a toe, but this would be a big swing for like her first horror movie appearance.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

Interesting. Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 4:25

Yeah. Uh it also has Chubatel Ijafor, who is going to be in under no, not Undertone. Backrooms.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

Ooh, yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 4:35

Uh, and then it also has Lawrence Fishburn. We love him. Yeah. So those were the like the three recent casting announcements, and the rest are Mike Flanagan mainstays. Very cool. Uh so I'm actually excited for this because I like Mike Flanagan, and this cast sounds pretty stacked.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

I do really like his shows and movies, so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:54

Uh next up, so The Bride has come out. Emily, you were actually saying you were gonna watch it on the weekend, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Yeah, I'm going to see it on Sunday with my grandma.

SPEAKER_04 5:04

Okay, sweet. I'm gonna be really interested to hear what you think. Because this movie um seems divisive from what I see of the reviews, it's pretty evenly split down the middle. Like it's at a uh 56% on Rotten Tomatoes, 5.9 on IMDB.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Which isn't super great.

SPEAKER_04 5:26

Not great, no. You'll see like for every article that is calling it like a travesty and an on-the-nose like mess, there's another one calling it a masterpiece. So we're just completely split on this movie. I haven't seen it, so I can't even say.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Um, my partner's dad saw it and said that it was very thought-provoking.

SPEAKER_04 5:47

Okay. Okay. Um, I do know that it's not doing so well in the box office. Right now, it is the worst box office bomb of 2026. Okay. Yes. Uh, it has taken in 13.6 million worldwide on a budget of $80 million. Dwight. Yeah. So this is bad news for directors who want to make unique and interesting movies. Um, studios, you know, will take it as an excuse to take less chances, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:19

Uh I just want other piece of horror news myself. Uh, you guys are familiar with the Three Flavors Cornetto trilogy, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:27

Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 6:27

Oh, well, this is Edgar Wright and Simon Pegg's trilogy that they made from like the late 2000s to the early 2010s. Shawn of the Dead, Hot Fud, Oh, yeah. Of course.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

Don't forget they're called Cornetto.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

Yeah, I didn't understand that.

SPEAKER_04 6:40

There might be a new flavor coming out in this what was once a trilogy. Um, could be a quadrilogy now, because Simon Pegg and Edgar Wright have teased on their socials that they're collaborating on a new idea. It was just like a post them together with the caption of idea. So speculation.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

The dead is my favorite horror comedy, so.

SPEAKER_04 7:01

Is it your favorite out of the trilogy? Have you seen them all?

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Yes, I have.

SPEAKER_04 7:04

Okay. Hot Fuzz is mine. Your favorite? Well, this is awesome. My favorite's actually The World's End.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:10

We all have a different favorite in the trilogy.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

I love that.

SPEAKER_04 7:13

Um, I think the World's End is really underrated.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Hmm. I think I've only seen it once a long time ago.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

And I only re-watch Hot Fuzz. Right. And each time it's like the first time. Have you seen Shawn of the Day? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:26

Um, also, it's just like coming off of The Running Man, it feels like maybe Edgar Wright is gonna rekindle like this old writing partnership that he had with Simon Pegg, which I think was the best for the both of them. Simon Pegg went off and hung out with Tom Cruise for a couple years now, and what else is he up to? I'd I would love to see him go back to his British roots. Yes. Make a funny pseudo-horror movie with Edgar Wright. I hope that they're having a good time writing. I know you got something from.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

My gosh, guys, spoiler alert, take a guess. What possibly could be my horror news? Well, if you guessed correctly, which who knows if you did, uh, new information about the Vampire Lestat just dropped. The first episode will be premiering June 7th, which I have looked and booked the date off of work now. It is a Sunday, so and then they also released the title sequence. Yeah, this title sequence, I'm gonna have to watch it frame by frame. I've watched it three times today, and I have like happy feelings all over my body. And then there's also a lyric video for the song, too, so should download the Vampire Lestat music and watch the title sequence now and book June 7th off of work.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen anything from this series so far, but that opening sequence was very intriguing and very fun.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

It's very fun. What's really cool about this is the Vampire Lestat is a musician, and the showrunner Daniel Hart, well, no, sorry, the composer Daniel Hart got asked to be one of the showrunners this season because music is such an important part. That's awesome. And literally, that is all of my vampire news today.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

Dev, you have a subsection in horror news called Vampire News.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

It's just vampire updates.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Undertone guy. I am so happy that it wasn't disappointing. Me too. Me too.

SPEAKER_04 9:21

There was hype though, like it had good reviews. Uh, it got picked up by A24, which was just already encouraging from the start.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 9:29

As well, because this is a low-budget Canadian horror movie.

SPEAKER_02 9:33

Yeah, with a budget of 500,000 USD, which means probably 800? 750,000 Canadian, something like that.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Still not a lot as far as movies go, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_04 9:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

So far, it's made what, over a million?

SPEAKER_04 9:50

Yeah, so it just came out yesterday and it's already made a million dollars, and that's in like pre-ticket sales. Um, we went to see it opening day at the Park Theater in Vancouver.

SPEAKER_01 10:00

Well, it pu premiered at Fantasia on July 27th of last year. And it also had a showing at Sundance on January 24th. Sweet. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 10:13

So what we're gonna do here is a non-spoiler section, tell you about the film um without giving any details away, and then we'll just full-on spoil it. Tell you what's going on, what is the undertone, you know? Yeah. Who is the undertone?

SPEAKER_01 10:28

Why? Why is the undertone? How is the undertone? All will be revealed. Undertone. Its tagline is It Wants to Be Heard. The film is an hour and 33 minutes, which I think is a perfect runtime for a film. Um, the brief synopsis is the host of a popular paranormal podcast becomes haunted by terrifying recordings mysteriously sent her way.

SPEAKER_04 10:57

Yep. Very true.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

So the director and writer of the film is Ian Tuesen. What do you think? Twasin? Twassen, probably. Okay. Sorry, Ian. Sorry if we ever had him on the podcast. We'll say right then. As far as cast goes, we have Nina Curie as Evie, who did a phenomenal job. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:20

Crazy. Fantastic. I would not be surprised if she was kind of a breakout horror star after this.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

For sure. Um, we also have Adam DeMarco as Justin. We only hear his voice, but I also think he did a great job.

SPEAKER_04 11:33

He's her podcast co-host. So he like calls in from a different city.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

Yeah, and then the only other person besides Evie that we see on screen is Mama. Yeah. Evie's mom. Um, played by Michelle Duquet. And yeah, she does a great job at being a canatonic sick weak mother.

SPEAKER_02 11:57

Yeah. Which is harder to do than people think. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

Um, the composer of this film, I think, is important to shout out just because of how amazing the sound was. Uh, her name is Shanika Lewis Waddell, and it was her first like big movie that she ever did the composing for.

SPEAKER_04 12:16

I cannot believe that.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 12:19

Like, we'll have to talk about the sound, you know, in depth, but that was it's a star of the show.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Yeah, no, it's what made the movie without the sound design. Was she also the sound designer, or was she the composer? She was just the composer. She's not the sound designer as well.

SPEAKER_04 12:34

Mm-hmm. So her and also the the sound designer deserve so many props for making this movie as effective as it was.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

Big shout out to the whole sound team.

SPEAKER_04 12:44

Did you have any other casting crew?

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Uh no. It's small. It's pretty small. It's so small, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:50

It's tight. I think, like you were saying, you only see two people on screen through this entire movie, and that's uh Evie and her mom, who I don't believe gets a name. Mama first her as mama. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:03

So uh small Canadian movie, incredibly effective.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

And so scary.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

I was surprised with how scared I get. You guys know me. Yeah, I'm a little desensitized and I don't get scared at much anymore. But when I tell you that the hairs all over my body were standing up for 75% of the film, as well as Tom had his uh hands in front of his eyes for 75% of the film. Oh my god, yes.

SPEAKER_04 13:29

This movie was terrifying. I'm not good with jump scares. I never have been. Ever since I was a little kid, not much has changed. I stayed in my seat for this movie, but I was going through it. Holy god.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

I said it once and I'll say it again. You're a baby Tom.

SPEAKER_04 13:47

Ooh, goo ga. To be honest. I will own it. It was hard for me to watch this movie because it doesn't let up.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

It doesn't. It doesn't. It really doesn't. No, I really liked it. And yeah, for me, the sound is always the scariest part. So my ears were plugged for a lot of it and was squinting at one point, but it was great when Emily elbowed me and was like, Tom. I was like, That could have been at any moment in the film. You were covering your eyes like see no evil. I was plugging my ears like you're no evil. If only at one point Emily was covering. I think I did cut my hand and cover. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 14:26

Yeah, because you watch horror movies sitting forward. Yeah. Get as close to the screen as you can. I'm down, sunk in my seat, knee in front of my eyes.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

I just wanted to ingest all the terror that it was feeding me, and it really didn't disappoint.

SPEAKER_02 14:42

No, it was such a beautiful cinema experience because it is a surround sound film. And since sound is such an important part of it, sometimes the sound is coming from the front, sometimes it's only coming from the rear left. So bouncing around. There's no escape. It's wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Absolutely no escape. Like at one point, like I'll get into it in the spoiler section, but my like fight or flight response kicked in, and I was like, oh my god, like I need to go.

SPEAKER_04 15:11

Oh, I was in that state the entire time.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

My body was so tense. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 15:16

One thing this movie does that I love is there are mirrors all over this house. So in any given shot, you're seeing the other side of the room. Maybe you're seeing down a hallway, and you're always waiting for something to be in any one of these mirrors, moving around or just standing there. So you're always like paranoid looking around the frame for scary things.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

And like this isn't really a spoiler, but like usually there isn't. And I like that.

SPEAKER_04 15:47

Yes. Exactly, because if they overplayed it, it would, you know, wear smooth. But no.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Anticipatory horror. Exactly. And what I also really like about this is it is one location.

SPEAKER_04 15:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

The whole time. And that's brilliant. And I know I was saying it to you guys, but like my favorite movies are movies that could be plays. If you remove all the bells and whistles, you still have a good and effective story. And this could easily be a stage play, and you would still be so scared. Oh, yeah. That's amazing. Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

It's such a really good story. Plays on your like primal senses. As far as obviously the sound goes. And I think visually too, like Fear of the Dark as well, too.

SPEAKER_04 16:30

The movie quite often cuts to black. Every time it does that, I'm like, what's gonna be on screen when we cut back?

SPEAKER_03 16:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:37

Am I waiting on a jump scare here? Also, there's about three or four really good jump scares in this movie. Like entire theater jumping and then the nervous energy after people, you know, laughing and shifting around.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Yeah, as far as the theater experience goes, I do remember at one point in the film, like everybody, all three of us I know for sure, went like I really enjoyed.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

I kept going, oh no, I'm like, oh no. I kept shaking my head, like, no, no, this isn't good. Yeah. So this is a very great directorial debut for a feature film.

SPEAKER_04 17:14

Absolutely. And the production design as well. So the house that Evie records her podcast from uh is very like kitschy. There's wallpaper on the walls, there is religious imagery everywhere, like crosses hanging from the walls, there is little statues and statuettes, paintings, yeah, tons and tons of paintings and all. So this was Ian Twassin's childhood home that he shot in, which would be cost-cutting for sure.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:42

Also, there is a not so fun fact.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Yeah, a bit of a sad history. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:48

So this would be a very personal film for him. Um, because we've learned that uh he, like Eevee, has experienced caring for an ailing parent, and he did so in this very house. Uh so obviously he's using a lot of his own experiences and traumas uh to infer uh inform this story.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

Right, what you know, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:09

Yeah, this film got to me on a very personal level.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

Yeah, I was thinking about that while we were watching that. But honestly, like as morbid as this sounds, I feel like people's most traumatic experiences make the best films, especially horror films.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

It's true, and especially when it's like you can tell it's done from a personal place with care, not in an exploitative way. Like when it's like, oh, that's just gross, it's done with so much care.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

Yeah, so one other thing that I wanted to mention was just the reviews of the film so far.

SPEAKER_04 18:43

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

Um, like I said, right now it has a 6.6 on IMDb, which is not amazing, but also it's not bad. It's pretty good for a horror movie.

SPEAKER_04 18:54

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

Um I did notice that there are some like one or two star reviews on IMDb, and mostly they were saying that the film was boring. Now that's an interesting thing.

SPEAKER_04 19:09

So this is like edging into spoiler territory, but when I went into this movie, I expected that it would take place over one night. Did you guys feel the same way? I did.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

I thought it was gonna be one night, so I liked that.

SPEAKER_04 19:24

It was not over one night, but I feel that that kind of like rise and fall is might might be what people are referencing when they say it's boring, that they may have wanted it to be like a consistent build in the terror. We stay in this one night, things just go from scary to scarier. But since there are gaps, maybe that's what they're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

Yeah, and I do see a trend, especially nowadays with social media and TikTok and whatever, that films, especially horror films that are a bit more subtle and like take a bit longer to like amp up the creep factor, just yeah, kind of get panned in the reviews and and called boring. Yeah, not by everyone, but I think by people that maybe have a shorter attention span these days.

SPEAKER_04 20:14

Maybe they are expecting like an it movie where you're gonna have, you know, like a demonic clown chasing you around.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

Bunch of CGI monsters. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 20:23

This is not that kind of movie.

SPEAKER_02 20:25

It's a beautiful Canadian budget, yeah. And it works.

SPEAKER_04 20:29

I had a question for you guys. What did you think of Evie's podcast?

SPEAKER_02 20:35

Wow, love her sound setup, I'm not gonna lie. Yes. Don't like what she does, though.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

I really liked it. I like the concept, of course. I know you guys have a different opinion on quote unquote real scary stories, but I really like that aspect.

SPEAKER_04 20:51

Yeah, just taking in real stories of uh like audio recordings, it might be, or just like they look at videos online, viral videos, and uh something that I would never do. Same thing.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

I would love to do death.

SPEAKER_04 21:08

I I'm not going to fuck around in that way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

You don't believe in ghost.

SPEAKER_04 21:14

But I also don't want to like. Spoiler, technically, these recordings do deal with real death. So I would not be investigating any of that. Even if I was like Eevee, a skeptic. It's like, no, wouldn't do it. No thanks.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

And she could venture into the spoily willies.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:36

Um, right off the bat, I was kind of interested in the title card because it comes up, it's undertone, and then the dirtone disappears.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Mm-hmm. It kind of like wobbles away. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:48

Then we just have un, and then un starts to tilt, and then I think we just cut into it. What's that all about?

SPEAKER_01 21:56

I mean, there's a lot of shots in the film that kind of start. To turn. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:02

There's lots of turns, absolutely. Yeah. But why is it just un that's doing the turning?

SPEAKER_02 22:08

I don't know. Right? Yeah, like that's so interesting. Like, one. Yeah. But then is it like n as a null as a nothing? Like what?

SPEAKER_01 22:15

You could really read into it. Yes, I could. I know. And I think that's kind of what it's for. Yeah. Oh, which is fun.

SPEAKER_04 22:23

Yeah, I just uh was confused, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

It's cool though, yeah. Very thought-provoking. Um, so we open the film with our main character, Evie, and she's just moved back home to take care of her dying mother, um, and she starts to sing Baba Black Sheep to her catatonic mom in bed. How did we feel about this initial plot point?

SPEAKER_02 22:50

I couldn't really it resonates hard. I really, really like that as an opening because it shows where this woman is at. Um, she's in her 30s, which I really, really like. Usually people are like teens or they already have their family and children. And she more or less, single woman in her 30s, going back home, looking after her mom, and she is now the parent, in quotations. Yeah, nurturing and taking care of her mom. And when you are in that state, you do return to being more like a child. So she was just trying to give her like some childhood comfort.

SPEAKER_04 23:28

She says that her mom used to sing that song to her. Exactly. Yeah, so you're right, she's like kind of swapped places with her mom as she's looking after her. I thought this was a really strong character introduction because it shows us immediately what our main character cares about. Uh, and that shows that she has, you know, a heart. You know, we know that uh she is caring towards her mother, so that makes us like her right off the bat as well. Uh, and it makes us hope that nothing bad happens to this mom.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

True, yeah. Yeah, but it kind of like makes you feel for the main character right away too.

SPEAKER_04 24:04

From her initial scene, and that is just really good writing.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

And it also shows the dad's not around anymore. Maybe he's already passed, maybe he's just out of the picture in a different way. She's the sole person taken care of. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

And I think it kind of give like makes you feel like a strong emotion right off the bat, and then doesn't let out the rest of the film.

SPEAKER_04 24:26

No. This is a very upsetting film altogether. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

Um, and then a nurse comes into the home and Evie asks, when she'll know when it's time.

SPEAKER_04 24:38

Mm-hmm. Yes. So she's not expecting her mom to ever wake up, I believe. Yeah. Uh, and the nurse mentions the death rattle, or she mentions the death rattle. The nurse doesn't like that term. Right?

SPEAKER_01 24:51

No, she was there.

SPEAKER_04 24:52

We just very creepy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

I think the nurse says something like, Oh, you'll hear it in her breathing. And then Evie brings up the death rattle, and then the nurse says, I don't like to call it that.

SPEAKER_04 25:05

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so pretty early on, I think we get to the first recording session for Undertone Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 25:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:15

And uh, it's 3 a.m., which is a crazy late time to record.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

Yeah, why are we doing that?

SPEAKER_04 25:21

I'm not recording this at 3 a.m. Oh my god, no.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Um, yeah, and then we're introduced to Justin, who is Evie's co-host, and he's kind of like the believer. Yeah. And then Eevee's the skeptic.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

Yeah, those are their characters that are.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

Very like Mulder and Scully.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

Did you guys get a little vibe between the two of them? Yes. For sure.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

I was like, okay, or that they have a situation once upon a time.

SPEAKER_04 25:44

Yeah, but they're now like kilometers away from each other. Uh, I think that she has a partner, or she's kind of on the outs.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Yeah, and he has one too.

SPEAKER_04 25:53

He definitely has a partner. Maybe he's doing better in his relationship than she is. But there's that weird air between the two of them.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Yeah. Yeah, he definitely seems we don't see him, but forever. How he speaks, I feel like he seems more stable than that.

SPEAKER_04 26:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 26:12

Yeah, and he's very worried about her, like he's asking her about her mom. And just kind of to her character, she's she's a deflector. You know? She'll be like, that's fine. I mean, uh like it's not fine, but it's like it's fine, you know. Like she doesn't really want to talk about her issues, which does come back later as well.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

And she doesn't want to be like a burden on people, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

So during the podcast, they dig into stories such as a video with that creepy woman, uh, that makes people apparently kill themselves.

SPEAKER_04 26:47

So this scared me. It's like this dark-haired woman staring into the camera, smiling, and her face starts to like stretch.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

And it's a red, everything's red.

SPEAKER_04 26:56

Yeah, everything's red. Uh, I found that so uncanny.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Yeah, and there's a creepy sound that was playing with it.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

And it's funny when they're playing that bit because Evie is like continuing to play it, and Justin's like, stop, stop, stop. No, no, no, no, no. Something bad's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

Which I thought was really cute. Um, and then yeah, they kind of just generally get into like real, quote unquote, real paranormal stories. Um, and then Justin mentions that he has something special for this week's episode.

SPEAKER_04 27:28

Ten audio recordings from uh email that he says is just nonsense letters, but we will find out later. It's not nonsense. Uh, and they're labeled kind of oddly as yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

There's also like a weird message before the audio clips that is just like a bunch of random letters. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:47

Yeah, descending. It ends with tenet as well.

SPEAKER_02 27:50

With an upside-down smiley face.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

Uh-huh. Yeah. So already teasing us to like the play it in reverse, play it forward. Uh, tenet is like, you know, that what is it? I think it's a very ancient, like it's that Christopher Nolan film.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

It is that Christopher Nolan film.

SPEAKER_04 28:07

But it's like this ancient, um, what do you call it? Like, I think it was a carved thing.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 28:15

And with a whole bunch of words that could be read in any order as the same.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

You know, let's call it palindrome.

SPEAKER_04 28:21

I think it's palindrome, yeah. So it's just a box of palindromes. They're like diagonal, the same, back and forth. Yeah. And it was called the tenet square, I think.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I need one of those.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

Interesting. So yeah, Justin has been sent ten mysterious voice notes of a married couple who has started hearing things in their home. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And the wife starts like talking in her sleep.

SPEAKER_04 28:48

Yeah, the husbands are recording her because she doesn't believe that she talks in her sleep. Right. And he's like, I'm gonna catch you doing this. But she doesn't just talk in her sleep, she sings. Yeah, she sings bah No, it's not Bah Bah.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

No, London Bridges. Right, right.

SPEAKER_04 29:05

And then I think that it was on that night that they first start talking about hidden messages.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

And playing it backwards.

SPEAKER_04 29:11

Yeah, and playing things backwards. Um, so they start to like delve into the hidden meanings behind nursery rhymes.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

Yeah, and do they like play it backwards and something says like Mike Killall, which is the husband's name?

SPEAKER_04 29:26

Yeah, I think that is that's Baba Blacksheep that they play backwards in the a later on recording, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 29:32

Hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 29:33

Yeah. Um it's very creepy though when they're like looking up, you know, old creepy photographs and illustrations. I think that it's on this first night that she gets like a bit of audio feedback, which would be the first jump scare of this movie that got everyone because we weren't expecting it yet. Uh, and then it seems like when she listens to these recordings, she starts to feel a little weird. Yeah. It's like she's getting a headache, and uh, you know, she she calls it off.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Yeah, she gets unnerved. It's like connecting with her in a weird way.

SPEAKER_04 30:07

Yes, and she won't admit that it's unnerving her. She's like, she'll be like, oh, I think I just need more sleep, you know, it's getting late after work tomorrow. Um, also, I love how they frame the recording sessions. Yes. Usually she's on the right of frame in the kitchen area, and then we're seeing down a hallway behind her.

SPEAKER_01 30:27

Oh, well, she's kind of in like the dining room, and we see the door to the kitchen behind her.

SPEAKER_04 30:33

That's what it was.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

That kind of has glass on it, so it's kind of you can't really see completely through it, but it's kind of like what's the word? Translucent. Translucent, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

And then there was like the door frame and the stairwell that just has that black void.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

And you always think that you're seeing something in this like void on one half of the screen.

SPEAKER_04 30:55

Something that might not be there or might be there. Um, and later on, I think in that night, before she goes to bed, she goes to check on her mom. And her mom has this statue, a little like marble statue, of uh of a woman with a bunch of babies kind of crawling up her.

SPEAKER_02 31:12

Very odd statue. And to mention it looks like a Catholic statue, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:18

Uh, and then when she picks it up, she wants to put it in a drawer. We also see a drawing, um, and it's made it with like black and red crayon, and I believe it was another woman holding a child's hand. Oh, that was right, yeah, like dangling a child. So also creepy. Um, and I think we'll find out later who did that.

SPEAKER_02 31:38

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 31:39

Yeah, it might also be up to interpretation.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

It could be. Yeah. Yeah. And what's cool with this movie, since it isn't just one night, there is also day. Yes. And do you think typically in movies, oh, you're safe in the day? No. No. Creepiness is still a creepy.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

I think m the most like mostly the shots of her like with the mirrors or looking at mirrors are during the day. Yes. Yes. And it's like most of the room is bright, but then there's like this one closet or this one corner of the room that's livered out the door.

SPEAKER_04 32:10

There's the classic like opening up the medicine cabinet and then shutting it. And is there gonna be something behind her? Yeah. Not in this case, because they keep us on our toes. Yeah. The next thing that I can specifically remember happening is her getting invited to a party.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Yeah, what I really, really liked about that, she's getting invited to the party, but she doesn't want to miss a single moment with her mom in case she passes and like obviously doesn't want her to die alone. Yeah. But she also hasn't seen her friends in who knows how long. She isn't really taking care of herself and her needs. So she's talking to her mom, like, Mom, I'm just going out just for a couple hours. It's just gonna be a couple hours. Her friends are on the phone, she's making sure. It's actually her ex. Kind of, kind of ex.

SPEAKER_04 32:53

It seems like his his um contact still has like a heart behind it. Yeah, you know, but when they're on the phone, he's like, I don't know if we're on the outs or not.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

Yeah, it's funny, it's the same emoji that I have beside Mateo's name. Oh that was creepy.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

Yeah, that is creepy. But yeah, and I really liked it because she gets ready, she goes up to this party, and she's like, It's just gonna be a couple hours, mom. And then it's a day. Yeah, she comes back in the morning. Yeah, stays away. We never see the party scene, and I love that.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

We don't need to see it.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

That's not what the story's about.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

We know probably what happened there. We don't need to see it. But I think that this scene where she's like telling her mom she's just gonna be gone for a few hours and she's sitting with her, is like a good tension-building moment because we were just previously told about the death rattle. And we know that her mom does not have too much more time. We know that she hasn't been eating, so we're as the audience, we're like, no, yeah, yeah, don't go to this party. Don't go.

SPEAKER_04 33:51

I'm also kind of like, get out of this house and stay out.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

Yeah, and then we see her, like you said, come back the next morning. And I don't know about you guys, but I was like, Oh, she's dead.

SPEAKER_02 34:01

Yeah, and it was so her mom's on the floor, yeah, on the floor, and just she feels so bad and so guilty because, like, how did her mom even have the energy to get up? Yeah, but that is also can happen with the death rattles, like in your last day. All of a sudden you could walk around and start eating stuff, and then the next day you'll be catatonic again. So it was very, very interesting. I'm like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:27

This mom character gave me the vibes of Jane Doe from the autopsy of Jane Doe. Totally a character who feels like a ticking time bomb.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:37

When she's gonna move, you're just waiting when she's gonna do something scary. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:42

And I think in the waiting for something is like the most scary. The most scariest. You don't know yet. It's that unknown. Like, what am I about to see? What am I about to hear?

SPEAKER_02 34:54

Yes, and each time she gets closer to her mom's mouth to like give her water or to drink something. Typically, in a regular horror movie, the mom would be like, Yeah, something would happen. But nope.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Like kind of going back to her when she's on the ground after the uh Evie comes home from the party. How do we think that happened? Do we think she just fell? Do we think it was a demon? Do we think like what?

SPEAKER_04 35:18

I uh I think that she is probably fully catatonic, and I think it's the influence of do we We're in spoilers. Can we talk about it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we can talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Abizoo.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Okay, and you think it was Abazoo.

SPEAKER_04 35:32

I would think so, yeah. Cause I think that from the very first time she hits record, things are put in motion. You know, how did that statue get out of the um the drawer? Because I think the next time she checks on it, it's back on the table. The mom, I think, is moving around, but it's not her anymore.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

Do you think the mom herself is dead at this point?

SPEAKER_04 35:55

No, no, I don't think dead quite yet.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Like the demon is keeping her alive.

SPEAKER_04 36:00

Yeah, that's what I would speculate. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

And what's for many reasons why she would want to keep her alive too. Um but yeah, I think it's such an interesting use of the jitters, for lack of a better term, that occur when you are dying and when you gain that energy again. Because if you just look at it from a plain real life medical thing, it's like that's what happened. She got that burst of energy, walked around, fell. So it's a perfect use for somebody, our character is still somewhat grounded in reality. And using the demon to do that is such a clever way of exploring.

SPEAKER_04 36:37

She can't believe that it's her mom doing any of these things, though. Like uh a faucet turns on in the bathroom at one point. Um, but then there's a similar experience in one of the tapes later, and she explains it away as it's an old house.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

Because you hear what sounds like old pike.

SPEAKER_04 36:53

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

So things old pike.

SPEAKER_04 36:56

So things that are happening in the recordings are having parallels to her own life. So when she's saying, Oh, it's nothing, she's really trying to reassure herself as well and hiding behind her own skepticism, which I thought was really fun.

SPEAKER_02 37:09

Me too.

SPEAKER_04 37:10

So getting into the next recording, I think that's the one when we start to hear Baba Blacksheep.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Yeah. Yes. And Evie immediately is like, it's a coincidence. It's a coincidence. It's it's things that don't happen very often. That's why we get shocked when we hear them.

SPEAKER_04 37:26

Yeah. Um, but then Justin tells her that there is a hidden message in Baba Blacksheep if you play it backwards. I can only remember part of the hidden message. I think part of it was lick the blood off. Yes. Do you remember the rest?

SPEAKER_02 37:42

No. No, because I was like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:45

Yes. Um, we looked it up. I don't think there actually is a hidden message of that kind in Baba Black Sheep.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

I mean, there's probably like some morbid backstory to it, but I don't think that there's like a hidden message backwards.

SPEAKER_04 38:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

Considering they didn't have audio recording when Baba Black Sheep was probably written.

SPEAKER_04 38:04

The version in this film they must have recorded specially for it because it's the creepiest version I've ever goddamn heard.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

It's so uncanny. Yeah, it's so pleasant.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

It does a couple different key arrangements.

SPEAKER_04 38:16

It's children's chanting, like so. Probably I would I would say that if you played the version they have backwards, there is that that happened.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

I wonder if we could find that version. We'll kind of go listen to it.

SPEAKER_02 38:31

It'd be cool if we could play it for the audience. We can. There's it's in the trailer. That's true.

SPEAKER_04 38:36

I didn't even want to look up the Demon Abazoo after this.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:40

Because I think by the time they get to like maybe the fourth recording, you get this kind of like Sam Raimi-esque POV shot where from the first floor we rush down.

SPEAKER_02 38:52

So it's through the air. That was so cool. Like the demon, she's like, Oh, you're calling me, I'm coming to you. I love that. I really like that. And it is important to mention that Jessa, the woman on the tapes, is expecting a baby. We did not mention that.

SPEAKER_04 39:06

Yep, absolutely. Can anybody remember what happens next specifically?

SPEAKER_02 39:11

Well, I don't know if it's necessarily next, but our main character, what's her name again? Evie? Evie. Evie. Evie gets a call from her doctor. Yes. And she is like nine weeks pregnant. Yeah. It turns out because she's been throwing up and stuff, and it turns out she is pregnant. This woman on the recordings is also pregnant expecting a baby.

SPEAKER_04 39:33

Yeah. So all of these weird recurrences between her real life and these tapes, which she still doesn't believe in.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

She's still trying so hard to convince herself that nothing bad is happening.

SPEAKER_04 39:44

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

Yeah, after she finds out that she is pregnant, she goes upstairs to tell her mom.

SPEAKER_02 39:52

Yeah, and I loved this scene because again, the actress who was playing The Mum did such an incredible job because though she is ketatonic, there are slight changes, yeah. Because when she's telling her her brow is slightly furrowing, and I remember you asked me, like, well, just asking the cat question, like, oh my gosh, can people hear you when they're in that state?

SPEAKER_04 40:13

She asks the nurse too.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

Yeah, and asks the nurse too, and like they can. They absolutely can. And that was the mom reacting to. Yeah, she doesn't didn't like it though. She did not like, yeah, she was furrowing. She's like, oh god, no.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

Very subtly, you can just see these kind of like changes in her face. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:31

That was incredible. Interesting. Uh, and that statue just keeps reappearing. She she puts it in the closet at one point, like, not dealing with this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:40

Oh, another thing to mention is that she says that she wants to name her baby Mary to the mom, yeah. Because her mom would always pray for Evie.

SPEAKER_04 40:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:51

Uh, and do Hail Mary's. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

And she also says she's not sure if she's ready to become a mum.

SPEAKER_04 40:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:58

Which is valid because she's in a precarious situation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:02

Like on the outs with her partner as well. Uh she also has a drinking problem, we learn.

SPEAKER_01 41:08

Yeah. Quickly we go into the next night uh before she's about to record the next episode. And she finds like an old bottle of Irish whiskey in the cupboard and just pours it into like a tea mug. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:22

And starts one kind of plan B pill.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

Drinking it straight up. And Justin is asking her, like, how you're holding up, you're not drinking again. She's like, No, I'm not drinking. As she's drinking.

SPEAKER_04 41:32

And she's like, Can we just get into the episode? Like, come on. Come on, let's stop talking about this.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

This was another thing that I wanted to mention. I feel like the film had quite a few like notable cliches in it, as far as like the clock ticking a lot. We have a lot of shots of the clock ticking. We have a shot of like a tea kettle steaming as like we're coming to kind of the climax of a scene. But it never feels like, oh, we've seen this before. Oh, this is cheesy. It really works in the film.

SPEAKER_04 42:06

Yeah, I I think so too. I don't think that there's anything that's like feels trite or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 42:11

Exactly. And the clock also really works in the story, too, because she's just waiting for her mom to pass away. True. So every second, and when you're sitting in a hospital and for some reason they put the clock directly across your bed, it's like, why? You don't need to watch. You're taunting me. Yeah. Time ticking away.

SPEAKER_04 42:31

And they're hammering home that she records at 3 a.m. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 42:34

Which is a weird choice. Which an hour exactly. I'm not.

SPEAKER_04 42:39

And they're getting into more of these recordings, and things are getting creepier and creepier. Um, so Jessa on the tapes has the creepiest doll I've ever heard. Yeah. It's this weird real type of doll that when you pull its string goes, I like it here in the dark.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

And I like that. Why would it say that? That's awful. Is that real?

SPEAKER_04 42:59

I think so. They look it up and, you know, figure out that it is a real doll.

SPEAKER_02 43:03

And if this exact one's not real, it's based off of so many creepy, real talking dolls.

SPEAKER_04 43:09

So Jessa and Mike are waking up in the night with banging happening in their apartment or wherever they live, uh, which they can't find. And Jessa also keeps disappearing. And I think uh Mike keeps finding her in the baby's room. Yeah, the nursery. And she's like crying or sometimes listening to Baba Black Sheep as well. Or screaming.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

But at one point she starts chanting. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 43:35

So she's doing this very, very creepy chant. Yeah. Building something.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

It sounds like gibberish. It sounds like some sort of uh Latin in a creepy nook that you shouldn't be reciting.

SPEAKER_04 43:48

And now when they play it backwards, I think it's abazoo come in.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

Abazoo come in. Well, you could just say that. Fine. Abazoo. I know you're already here.

SPEAKER_04 43:59

But none of us are expecting. So I think we're safe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:01

Oh, this is true.

SPEAKER_04 44:02

Um, but then they start to research Abba Zoo. Uh and yeah. So they find this image, this statue uh that is Emily's favorite statue.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

Ugh.

SPEAKER_04 44:15

I'm gonna get you one for your birthday.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

I hate it. I hate it so much. Out of everything in this film, that is what had me scared the most. For some reason, this frickin' nun's eyes are like looking down at the in this like weird slant, and they're all like kind of like cracked and like kind of dirty.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

Yeah, I don't I don't like piercing gaze. What was her name? We ended up googling the statue. Was it Saint Maria de?

SPEAKER_01 44:47

It was like a Filipino um statue. Yeah, so uh the director is Filipino.

SPEAKER_02 44:53

Yeah, he's Filipino, so I thought that was really cool to introduce. Mm-hmm. Something that we hadn't heard of.

SPEAKER_04 45:02

She's got like a baby on her belt or something like that. Yeah. Oh, I don't like her.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Which is perfect for this movie. Okay, so San Rita. A Filipino church's statue of San Rita of Caskia.

SPEAKER_04 45:21

Mm-hmm. Patron saint of abuse survivors, violent marriages, and hopeless situations. She doesn't look very comforting to me, I gotta say. No. But Abazoo is a real demon from mythology. Uh, but they added a bit of backstory that is fiction for the movie.

SPEAKER_01 45:38

Wait, sorry, one more note about this statue. Uh this specific statue is also known as Black Magic Mary.

SPEAKER_04 45:46

Oh, Jesus. That's a sick name. That is Black Magic Mary.

SPEAKER_02 45:50

But okay, so she is a bit more occulty and creepy.

SPEAKER_04 45:54

Um, so Abizoo was apparently a mortal woman who uh was infertile and became a baby killer just out of jealousy. Uh so then in the fiction of the movie, uh, she was hanged uh in front of a chapel for everybody to see. Um, but then her spirit became a demon that goes around uh giving miscarriages and compelling women to murder their own babies. So not the nicest customer out there.

SPEAKER_01 46:25

Pleasant and lovely.

SPEAKER_04 46:26

Um so I looked it up. This is a real um mythological demon. She's from Near Eastern and Jewish mythology. Um so in the miss in the real world, she was never a real woman. Um, but she does do the same things as uh described in the film. Yeah. Yikes is scary.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

So yeah, and then Justin goes, Okay, we really should stop listening to this because I'm getting really freaked out.

SPEAKER_01 46:55

He knows something bad's happening. Yeah, yeah. And Evie is still in denial.

SPEAKER_04 47:00

We should talk about the sleep meditation scene.

SPEAKER_02 47:02

So yeah, she's gone to bed. She what I really like about this too, it's a twilight-y colouring.

SPEAKER_01 47:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:09

Very, very creepy, so it's not fully dark, but it's not light. She's not using any lights, going to bed.

SPEAKER_01 47:14

Just kind of like moonlight coming in, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

Exactly. And she feels really bad because she just kind of freaked out at her mom because she hears her mom whisper something.

SPEAKER_01 47:23

Yes, okay, we should talk about this scene as well. Yeah. So what is she doing when she hears this? She's like in the bathroom or getting ready for bed.

SPEAKER_02 47:33

She's getting ready for bed. I think she's like walking in the hall and she hears her mom.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

She hears whispering, like very clear whispering. Yeah. And she's creeping towards the the her mom's room, and we keep hearing it like louder and louder.

SPEAKER_04 47:49

It's saying something about Mary, right?

SPEAKER_01 47:50

Something about Mary. Yeah, yeah. I think she's doing Hail Mary's.

SPEAKER_04 47:54

Hail Mary's, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:56

And so she goes to open the door, and just as she opens the door, it completely stops. Yeah. And she turns on the light, and her mom is in a catatonic state, of course. And so she goes up to her mom and is like kind of shaking her, and it's like, I heard you. You said something. Why won't you speak to me? I heard you say something.

SPEAKER_04 48:14

The bathroom light turns on.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

The bathroom light just like flick. Yep. And it's like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 48:21

You see, when she goes to uh close the door and check out the bathroom, the mom's head slowly turns to watch her and then turns back.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

And then she hugs her mom and she's sorry. And she goes to bed and she puts on what should be a calming sleeping podcast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

It starts off really nice. It's like, oh, you're standing in the shallow waters of a lake.

SPEAKER_02 48:45

Well, I thought that was interesting too, because I'm like water running. I'm like, no, the faucets. Yeah. It's like faucets and trickling. And then, yeah, so it starts off good, and then you see something light and pale come to the surface. Yes. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 49:01

Um, I can't remember when this is, but at a certain point when she's either listening to recordings or doing some editing, uh, a form appears behind her, this white form that slowly starts to approach and approach and approach. That's true. And then she wakes up.

SPEAKER_00 49:17

Yeah, that's an early desk. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:20

Uh so we also see that white shadowy form in an early scene when she closes a door and you see it in a reflection. So that's like one of the few times when you actually get, you know, the payoff from checking the reflections obsessively, like I was doing. Yes. Yeah. And do we see this white form during this sleep meditation scene? This kind of like hallucination.

SPEAKER_02 49:42

I'm forgetting exactly what we see. What do we need? It's hard to say because she's meditating, meditating, and then she starts to hear all the horrors, and then she goes out into the hallway and it's dark, and then her mom comes out and screams and goes, Yeah, and then she screams and then she goes back. Then she wakes up and she checks on her.

SPEAKER_04 50:03

Yeah, that's how she does it. And she checks on her mom.

SPEAKER_02 50:06

But what's so interesting, Tom, and it kind of answers a question you guys asked earlier, because that white form very much looks like somebody in a hospital gown, like her mom is wearing. So it's like, maybe is her mom dead, you know, and then her spirits around trying to warn her, it's like this is not me anymore, this is just a demon. Or is she swapping places every now and then? I really like that.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

I didn't think about that. I think like thinking about that concept and thinking back about the film, like I think that's true.

SPEAKER_02 50:35

Yeah, because then there's this one point too when she has another creepy dream, and her mom's down in the hallway and she's like, and all the lights are flickering and all. So scary.

SPEAKER_04 50:46

Just prior to the final night when she's gonna record and listen to the the last two audio recordings. We do see the mom die. She breathes out her last breath. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

The gaps rattled.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

Exactly. And she's not there to see it. So she's busy recording the podcast at that time. And still claiming, like, this is a hoax, obviously. And she's drunk. None of this is real. Yeah, she's got the bottle with her, not doing well, uh, soon to be doing worse.

SPEAKER_03 51:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 51:14

Because then we get into those final two recordings.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 51:18

Woo boy.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

We have some callers calling um one of them named Abby.

SPEAKER_04 51:25

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

Uh, who we hear has a baby crying in the background. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:32

Yes. And she's the one I think that tells them about um to no, a woman who was living in her basement, right?

SPEAKER_02 51:40

That was a different woman.

SPEAKER_04 51:41

This is a different woman?

SPEAKER_02 51:42

So there's one woman before, because there's a person who was neighbors with Jessa.

SPEAKER_04 51:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:46

And that's a guy. Yeah. And then there's the other woman who's in San Diego. It's like, no, I'm not neighbors with these people, but when I lived in San Diego in the basement, there was a woman above who woman below, actually, I think. Oh, I thought she was renting the basement.

SPEAKER_01 51:59

I would listen to this music backwards. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:03

Yes. Yeah. And she had a baby.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:06

Uh, and at a certain point, uh started hearing banging.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 52:12

And then her dad, she says, went down, stopped her, and found a dead baby inside this bag that she was banging into the like chimney or something.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

Banging against the wall, banging against the pipes. So this kind of reveals what this noise is that we've been hearing. We've been hearing snow banging the whole film, and Evie keeps saying, Oh, it's just the pipes, just an old house.

SPEAKER_04 52:36

But what I love about it too is that it seems like Evie isn't even sure if she's hearing that from the recordings or from her own house. She keeps looking around her shoulders when the banging's happening. So that was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 52:49

So yeah, it's a baby in a sack being banged against the wall to death.

SPEAKER_02 52:53

Which is horrific. And then, yeah, then they speak with Abby, whose baby's crying. She's like, I can't get to stop, I can't get to stop, and I'm scared I'm going to, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

Yeah, and then we hear this like m muffled, like kind of fabric scrunching noise, and the baby's cries sound muffled. So it's kind of implying that she's putting a baby into a sack.

SPEAKER_04 53:17

Things get a little jumbled here, but I do think at a certain point around this time we see something rushing into Evie's mom. We do. And um, presumably that's Abba Zoo. Uh that reminded me a lot of hereditary, actually. Yes. When the spirit of payment will enter someone. Um, so that I thought was cool.

SPEAKER_02 53:35

Yeah. I really liked that. And then Justin gets kind of cut off and ready, and then there's like so much chaos.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

We have this kind of call with Abby, and she's describing like how she feels like she's going crazy and the baby's crying. We have this sort of like little short monologue with Evie where she's like, No, like I believe that you're good, you're good, Abby.

SPEAKER_04 54:01

You can be a good mother. Yeah. That's kind of like the end of her character arc, I would feel it's like she's talking more about herself, um, but she is forgiving herself, trying to reach this woman, who I might not even think is real.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

No, same here. And then she's like, I um Evie's saying how she killed her mother because she wasn't praying.

SPEAKER_04 54:20

Yeah, wasn't praying for her. Yeah. Yeah. But then things really start to ramp up. Uh, the lights are starting to pop, uh, the lighting's getting strange, everything turns red because on the TV is that uh image from earlier video of that woman with the messed up face. And now her eyes are all black. Oh yeah. And I love the camera movement in this scene where we we pan slowly around the other way. Evie goes another way, so we find her again when she's like banging on the TV. We might even be looking at her through a mirror.

SPEAKER_03 54:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:55

There's like a few shots in this movie where we think we're seeing things normally, but it turns out we're looking through a mirror. And I really love it when movies pull a fast one on you like that.

SPEAKER_02 55:04

Oh, it's really cool. Um, I love that she goes to unplug the TV, but it's already unplugged.

SPEAKER_04 55:08

Already unplugged. Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 55:09

Of course it is. Right.

SPEAKER_04 55:10

Justin is just like screaming in the background as well. We don't even know what's happening with him.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

Yelling Evie's name.

SPEAKER_04 55:17

Yeah. Um, and then Evie finds that the walls are covered in images of dead children.

SPEAKER_01 55:23

Dead babies. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 55:24

But I think that she still feels the need to check on her mom.

SPEAKER_01 55:27

Yeah. Well, she doesn't know that she's dead.

SPEAKER_04 55:29

She doesn't know that her mom is dead. Uh, so I again just going back to the the opening scene, it's a good thing that this movie established right from the start that Evie cares for her mom. Because otherwise, she would just run out the door, right? Save herself. But because we know this about her, we understand why she chooses to go up the stairs instead.

SPEAKER_01 55:51

Another thing about that monologue when Evie's talking about how she feels like she killed her mom, and she's saying, like, oh, I didn't have enough time for her. Like she wanted me to pray with her, but I just kept coming up with excuses and I didn't have enough time. I think that part really also made people feel including me, emotional. Because yeah, I mean, being a person in your 20s and feeling like you don't have enough time for your family is like a really sad thought.

SPEAKER_04 56:22

Yeah, for real. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:24

Yeah, that one got me.

SPEAKER_01 56:25

I was like, uh So yeah, we go back to Abby or we go back to Evie coming up the stairs with all the dead babies on the walls, and the sound by this point was almost too much.

SPEAKER_04 56:40

It is, it's like chanting, uh, and in the same like Latin, probably from earlier.

SPEAKER_01 56:46

We hear chanting, we hear babies crying.

SPEAKER_04 56:49

Yes, it builds and builds and builds, and it just unnerves you to your core.

SPEAKER_01 56:55

I felt very shaken up. Yeah, and my whole body was so tense.

SPEAKER_04 57:00

Mm-hmm. Yeah, and then I think when Evie uh was walking down the hallway, the camera also flips. Yeah. Very slowly goes from horizontal to vertical, and I think we are like looking down at one point when she enters the room, finds her mom not in the bed.

SPEAKER_02 57:17

And the bed's all made turned down service.

SPEAKER_04 57:20

And the statue is smacked out in the middle of the bed, and then we get one final instance of mirror horror, as we see standing in the doorway of the bathroom, uh, the mom slash abazoo. Yeah, not really the facing away.

SPEAKER_02 57:38

Also, in the chaos moments, there are flashes to Evie at the bottom of the stairs with the plastic with a bag over her head.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

It comes up so quick, freaky as we hang out.

SPEAKER_04 57:49

Yeah. Uh, and then when we kind of gather, okay, we're looking at Abizoo, then it cuts to black and we just hear more terrible noises and her screaming like mom, you know.

SPEAKER_01 58:00

It sounds like somebody's falling down the stairs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:03

And what I can assume is that she is, I guess she knows that it's Abizoo at this point, but she'd be like trying to appeal to her mom, which I think is a terrifying concept that I recognize from hereditary as well. Yeah. When Annie is possessed and chasing after Alex Wolfe's character and he's just yelling, Mom, mom, like stop. It's it's heartbreaking. Yeah. Yeah. This is your mom turning against you. Like, what's scarier than that?

SPEAKER_02 58:30

Nothing. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:32

Um, and then it cuts to just some fun, nice music at the end.

SPEAKER_01 58:36

Yeah. Yeah, like kindergarten, like music. Well, yeah, I mean, pretty much the only like music or soundtrack in the film is children's songs. And I think that's interesting because of the mom's state, and like you said, when people are in that state, they revert back to a childlike demeanor, and you know, kids' songs are probably comforting to them.

SPEAKER_04 59:04

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Um, one thing I wanted to mention, so Abizoo probably looks really scary. Yes. We don't quite get to see her. We just get to see the vague outline, the white form. Um, I assume that she looks something like that uh creepy statue. Um, so I am both happy and unhappy that we don't get a good look at her.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

Same. Yeah. I think I'm more happy than not. I think usually, like people say, people's imaginations are normally scarier than whatever you can.

SPEAKER_04 59:40

Like, I'm with that. I think that for the film that we that they made here, it would feel out of place if we had like a the nun style appearance of the demon, you know, jumping out of corners and full lighting and all that. Um, however, I do kind of wish that we got another horror icon out of this movie that could make a Halloween costume that people could automatically recognize, especially because this is Canadian horror. That just would have been a nice thing, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

It depends on what you want from the film. I think if they had done that, the film definitely would have been more cheesy and not as scary and effective as it was.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:20

Without a doubt, yeah. So there's that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:24

But I will say, after watching this film, and when we're all sitting in the theater seats petrified. Oh my god. That was the most physically unwell I have felt after a film.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:39

Me too. I was like shaking, uh like tremors for a while afterward. We needed to like unpack that movie and make sense of it for a while before going home to our dark apartments.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:52

Exactly. I mean, right after we left the theater, I was like, oh, I'll go home. And then I thought about it for a second. I was like, no, I'm gonna stay out with my friend and just talk, actually. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:05

Yeah, it was scary. A lot of visuals, the sounds, the medical death sounds were a lot. And I also really this is jumping back a lot because we've completed the film, but one thing I really like, just back to how we never see the nurse, but the nurse is in the house.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:25

When the person isn't that state, it's kind of like from the mom's perspective, because she's like, she can't see her nurse, but she can hear what she is saying.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:34

And generally they don't say it in earshot of the person because you won't want to upset them.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:40

So that's so true. Because she says, Yes, I believe that they can hear us. Yeah, so she's gonna die soon. You wouldn't do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:46

Yeah, generally you do it in a different way. So that was definitely from like the mom's perspective. Like, when you're in the hospital, you don't have the space to do that. So in the hospital, they'll just they'll just tell you. And it's like, oh, okay, thank you. So I really like that as a detail.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:04

Yeah, I'm sure that that's inspired by um Ian Twasson's real experiences as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

Because in the credits you see uh there was a big in memoriam, there was like eight people in memory of and then in loving memory of both his parents. Yes, exactly, and then um work with the Alzheimer's and diabetes associations.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:25

Yeah, so both of his parents died from the so this movie has some strong themes, difficult subject matter, scary sound design and visuals, but overall I would still say it's a fun time. Yes, it's a good one because it's fun to be scared.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

That was some of the most fun I've ever I I feel weird using the word fun, but it really is fun for me. I love being scared. And this film made me really scared. Yeah, the audio experience is wonderful.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:00

Yes. Could potentially be the scariest horror movie of the year.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:04

It's too early to call it, but I I can't really think of anything that's gonna top it yet.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

Maybe something will surprise us. That would be really cool. But yeah, but the audio's the scariest part. No, I think more film horror films need to use audio to their advantage like this because this was so effective.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:22

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:23

And I don't think I've really seen this or heard that in like another film before.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:30

Yep. Did we have anything else to say about Undertone?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:35

No, we can just kind of each give our star rating.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:40

Oh, yeah, for sure. So how many this is a new thing for us. How many stars do we rate things out of?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:46

Yeah, do we do five stars or IMDB? Ten.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:48

Ah, you're into ten. Okay, cool. Uh, I need to think on it if anybody wants to go first.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:55

I'm gonna give it an 8.5.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:59

Damn, that was gonna be my rating. 8.5.5.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:03

Yeah, 8.5 for Dev 2. It's interesting because horror movies you kind of judge on a different scale, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. It's like this is a example, I think, of a movie that works really well as a horror movie and as a movie movie. But it's probably a stronger horror movie than it is a movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:22

Um so I'm gonna say 8.5.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:27

8.5 across the board.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:28

We can all agree. I think that like the only issues that I have with it is the start and stopping. I think that there could have been a really cool version of this movie where they record everything in one night and things just continue to get scarier and scarier. Um, so I can say I did feel like, oh, okay, we've stopped again in the theater. So maybe I won't feel that on my second rewatch, but honestly, it's a struggle to come up with any flaws.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:56

Yeah. Yeah. And I do like the start stop because it just really shows it's days and she's alone. Nobody's come visit her, nobody's there to help her.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:05

That's true.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:06

Why is she alone all of these days? And that concept is creepy.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:10

Yeah. I think that also works. Yeah, the only thing that I really have to say about this film is I think that 100% it was meant to be seen in the theaters with, you know, very expensive sound surround sound. I think that going in for a second watch on my TV in my living room is not gonna be the same.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:35

I would compare it to Skinamarink. Yes. Because Skinner Marink would have been terrifying to me seeing it in a theater.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:42

And it was.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:42

And not knowing where the jump scares are. I know that when I watch this a second time, knowing where the jump scares are, I will be not having my fingers in my ears the entire movie. Um, but it scared the hell out of me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That was Undertone.

unknown 1:05:59

That was.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

Go watch it in theaters. Obviously, it is doing well already, but we can always make it do better.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:06

Yeah, try and support a local theater. Yeah. We saw it at the park theater. And if you can go see it there or the Rio or And then in Montreal, there's also the Park Theater.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:18

Yep, another park theater. It's a different one in Beaubin, and um there's Cinema Modern.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:24

So Yeah, go see it at your local theater.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:27

Okay, wonderful. Well, guys, it's time for Who What Watch Read When. This is the section of our show where we get to recommend slash talk about uh whatever things in the horror genre we've been watching, reading, listening to, or things that we're going to watch read slash listen to.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:46

I think you guys are gonna laugh at me. I'm so excited to show up when I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:49

I'm so excited to laugh at you. You laughed at me a lot for undertones. There's a deficit. Um okay, I'm I'm ready. What what are we doing? Who no no no what are you what are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:00

Oh, you want me to go first?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:02

Oh, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:02

Yeah. Oh, guys, okay. Okay. So, do you guys know Mr. Ballin? No. I think I was talking about this yesterday, but he is basically has a YouTube channel, I think podcast as well. I think he's on Spotify as well. But he basically tells uh quote unquote real and fake spooky stories. And one of the episodes that I was listening to a couple weeks ago was a real story episode. And this particular episode uh was specifically about Bigfoot. Oh, I love Bigfoot. I love Bigfoot. Okay. So he was telling this story about how a bunch of people went into the woods to go hunting and they were camping, and basically they heard Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:56

Oh nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:57

Let me tell the little blurb that I have here. Um, so in the early 70s, Al Barry and his longtime friend Ron Moorhead went into the woods of the Sierra Nevada Mountains in Eastern California and collected a series of uh Bigfoot vocalizations, also known as samurai chatter.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:24

Okay, where's the connection there?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:26

You'll hear it when I show you the recording, but it basically sounds like old like Japanese slash Mandarin slash basically just like a mixture of almost Asian languages, but it's not any of these languages. Huh. And they sound like samurai's.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:45

Cool. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:47

Yeah, so uh specifically for this audio recording that is from the early 70s, uh, former Navy experts have confirmed that the recording is undoctored and not human.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:04

Fun?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:05

I love it. So whatever is making these noises not human. Besides the like clearly human voices that are in the recording.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:15

Okay, Emily.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:16

Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:17

So it's basically these guys are recording it, right? And so they're talking a lot of the time and they're trying to call to it.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:23

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:23

They're trying to speak to it. Fun idea.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:55

That's awesome. At first I didn't understand why they were calling it samurai sounds, and then I was like, oh, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:02

Sounds like old movie recordings.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:04

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:05

Yeah. And this was sorry, where was this?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:08

In the Sierra Nevada Mountains, Eastern California.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:12

Oh my gosh. Google Ocelot sounds.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:16

Yes. So that's the thing, is um the people like the experts, the audio experts that have looked into these files have basically been like, this doesn't sound like any animal that we've ever heard of. So not even an ocelot. So a lot of people are like, oh, maybe it's some sort of mountain lion or oscelot or bird. Nope.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:42

That's exciting.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:43

It's definitely not human.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

Yeah. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:48

What do we think of that sound bite?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:51

I love it because, like, honestly, I love nothing more than a weird sound in the woods. Cause here's the thing, I'm not walking around the woods at night.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:58

You know? No, it's dangerous. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

So I'm not doing it. Yeah. So I love Emily has a cheeky grin on her face.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:04

I grew up in the mountains around cougars, mountain lions, bears, wolves.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:09

I'm not doing it. I'm not walking in the woods at night, but um, I love listening to like alien footage and Bigfoot footage because it's so exciting.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:21

It's cool stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:22

It's so cool. Tom, you're the skeptic of the group. What do you think?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:26

I don't know, but it's probably not Bigfoots.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:28

Come on! It's probably not Bigfoots. You think then a mountain lion is making bird-like calls and then human-like noises?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:37

It could be a crow. I know that sounds stupid, but Corvids recite. Yeah. But it could also be Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:44

I don't know. I I don't think there's Bigfoots. I'm sorry, Emily. I'm a real Eevee from the undertone.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:51

And also, to know everybody, currently Tom is wearing the most amazing glasses, like from Atlantis. Beautiful circle. Circle glasses, so it's really playing up that whole the skeptic vibe. I love me. Anyway. I'm sorry, I think it's Bigfoot, Emily. Thank you, Doug. I think it's Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:10

But I'm happy to be your skullie or Mulder. Whichever.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:13

Smolder. Smolder. Definitely Smolder.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:17

Um, but yes, I have been obsessing over this audio clip for the past three days, driving Mateo insane, like, I want to hear it again. Do you want to hear it again? Do you want to hear it again? And I've been listening to it so many times, and guys, yeah, as you know, I think it's Bigfoot. I think it's Bigfoot. And I like that. Because many people have said specifically about these parts of the woods that they've been hearing particularly strange noises that don't sound like an animal they've ever heard of.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:46

I like that a lot. I do think it's Bigfoot. Why not?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:49

It's more fun to believe that anyway.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:52

Why, why not Bigfoot? Honestly, it's 2026. The world's crazy. It's Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:57

Also, whether it's Bigfoot or not, if you heard that in the middle of the night.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:03

Turn around.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:05

Another thing to note is they were like eight miles deep into the forest. Oh, very sleep.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:11

And my body, I just got goosebumps again. That makes me feel bad. Also, what are people doing in the woods at night? Get out. They're trying to hunt, I think, is what they were doing.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:20

Why are people trying to hunt? That is my little bit that I was very excited to share.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:25

I've got to be able to do that for the showing. That was definitely in the section. Yes. Mine is a movie. I finally watched Late Night with the Devil the other day. Nice, cool. Yeah. What'd you think? I very much enjoyed it. There were um, I like how well they did the late night TV shows. Yeah. As well as the introduction of like the documentary of this is the 70s.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:49

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:50

Um, I like the set deck and design. I love the performance from the young girl.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:56

Yeah, she was fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:59

Yeah, Lily. And just like the looking at the camera the whole time and just like the uncanniness. And I really liked how they had the child voice, not creepy high, but like low voice for a kid. And it was creepy. Um, I the skeptic was fantastic.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:15

Yep, that guy with his million-dollar check.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:17

Yeah, and the hypnotism. Um, it was a short movie, which was great. Yes, it's an indie film, and that's again perfect length. Oh, look, one location again. Never left that. So captivating story could be done as a play. And then the visual effects when she kind of got I don't want to spoil, I don't want to spoil anything, so I'm just gonna leave that at that.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:36

Because the visual effects are kind of iffy, iffy, but like you know, I don't want to spoil anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:41

I think it's on Crave, and it's a very enjoyable film. Very fun, very, very fun. It's a good Halloween movie, it's actually Halloween. Yeah, so I don't want to spoil it. I enjoyed it thoroughly.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:53

Well, I have been reading more HP Lovecraft. Uh I ran across a story called Under the Pyramids with Harry Houdini that I really enjoyed. And uh it stars Harry Houdini. Lovecraft must have been a fan, and he gets tied up in the way that he usually does, and thrown down into this Egyptian tomb where they're kind of giving him like the biggest challenge of his life. See if you can escape, and then he's going to come across some particularly interesting Egyptian ghoulies. Uh, and I thought it was a really creepy and well-done story. Um, and because Lovecraft is so old, a lot of like the the twists you can see coming because they've been replicated and redone over like the hundred years since the story came out, but this one actually did get me towards the end with a reveal that I was not expecting.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:50

That's cool. Isn't that how Houdini actually died?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:54

Not in an Egyptian tomb.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:55

Not in an Egyptian tomb, but he was like locked up in like a coffin or a table.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:00

He got punched in the stomach. Oh, stomach. And ruptured an organ. Um yeah, he just like asked an audience member to punch him, which they did. Punched him too hard and uh still magic. He died from that. Yeah, it was still to do with his craft, so he yeah, died in that way. Uh that was Who What Watch Read When When. Uh then I guess there's nothing else to do but wrap up the show. Uh guys, where can people find us on the socials?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:28

You can find me on Instagram at emily.english underscore and at horrorho on YouTube.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:37

And I am Devin Ellis Dearity across the board on Instagram, YouTube, and Letterboxed.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:44

I'm Thomas NJackson2002 on Instagram and Thomas NJackson at Letterboxed. Uh, if you want to reach the show as well, our Instagram is Whispers in the Woods Pod. You could send us a DM with uh episode suggestion, comment, critique, just want to say hi, go right ahead. Okay, and special thanks to Moira Christie for our theme. Uh, thank you to Kia Alice Dirty for our logo, thanks to Gordon Deardy for our mic, thanks to me for the edit. Um, and thank you guys for for being here today and recording our uh review of Undertone.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:20

Yeah, woo woo. Thank you guys for agreeing to do the podcast with me. And thank you for hosting us in your house. Of course. Every weekend I will do so. Yeah. But hopefully, let's start recording in the studio. Things will change and ebbs and flows. This is just the beginning.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:38

Exactly. We've only got only episode nine. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:42

Well, thanks for listening, guys. See you next weekend.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:44

Deal with your lizard DNA, folks. Thanks for listening. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:48

Bye.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:49

Bye. Rock street. Have you anyone? What hurt the word?