OnlyFans Superstar _xEllieRaex_ visits the Den for a few hours!

Ellie(OF SuperStar) joins Kat and Irene for a deep discussion into the world of OnlyFans. She is magically open about every aspect of her life and we can't respect her enough for what she has built as an incredibly successful brand & business. 

She shares the pain and lessons of her life that got her started on OF, along with the good and bad of the OF business. She learned many things the hard way, but, her sweet soul looks at everything as a life lesson. She embraces it all.

This is a riveting, sexy and fun episode where we ask all of the burning questions, like: Where do you video? Where do you find the people to video with? All of it!

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Welcome to the Vixen Chronicles erotic explorations and unapologetic talk. I'm Irene DeVoe. This is your reminder to submit questions, story ideas, feedback, anything really, via email to info at the VixenCronicles.com and Vixen is spelled VXN. And then please follow and share on iHeart, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts, and you'll get notified when we publish new episodes. And this is a content warning. This show is about sex, every kind and flavor of sex. If you think any topic is not your thing, please don't listen to it. And my lawyer makes me say that. Hello, Vixenhood. Welcome back and thank you for listening. I'm here tonight with my sexy co-host Kat. Say hello, sexy kitten.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Hi. That wasn't sexy enough. Redo it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

Hello. Also, our show mascots running around. I see she has her squeaky ball ready, but that's Jolene. And she will show up at the most inconvenient times. And then I'm so excited about our guest tonight. We have Ellie Ray in the studio. Say hello. Hope everyone's well. You're amazing. So she has built a successful and loyal following through all avenues of social media. I mean, it's everywhere. It is. But but you're very well known for your OnlyFans page. Yes. Right. And so it's amazing. I want every one of you, 68% of the people listening to this are men.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:45

I need you all to go subscribe to her OnlyFans page. It's cheap too. So it's underscore X L E E L L I E R A E X underscore. And I'll post that when I do the when I do the post on it.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Okay, great.

SPEAKER_03 2:03

Okay. And okay, so we have some some icebreaker questions for you. Okay. Oh, wait. First, I wanted to start with this quote. So wait.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

What are you going to do your legal disclaimer? That's my favorite part.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

I already did it. I do that before you guys get here.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Oh okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:23

Okay. I can do it again. That's good to you guys. My lawyer makes me do it. Oh, that's good. That's good of it. You don't think it's her. Oh, it's good of her. But if you don't think that this is your thing, please don't listen to it. I can't afford any more lawsuits.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Is that happening?

SPEAKER_03 2:40

No.

unknown 2:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:42

Not yet. Not yet, but we'll get there.

unknown 2:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:45

So I have two lawyers now for this podcast. Okay. My favorite quote. Everybody I think knows who Piers Morgan is. He's that British guy, and he was interviewing a very successful OnlyFans woman, and her name was Elle Brooke, not Ellie, just Elle. And he asked her about her future children. He's like, Are you going to be proud about this when they ask you about your OnlyFans career? And this woman looked him straight in the eye, and I literally loved her response, and it went viral. She goes, Elle said, they can cry in a Ferrari.

SPEAKER_02 3:17

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 3:18

Like, hell yes.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

So all the Hurrican Lamborghinis. You, you, and you.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

Right. So I think that's where I want to start with this. It's like, you know, for people who are judgmental and shit like that, fuck you. I don't care. I mean, you're making a great living, and I'm very proud of the fact that you are. I appreciate it. Okay. So, Kat, you have any uh questions you want to talk about first?

SPEAKER_00 3:42

No, I just want to give you intro background.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

Okay. So well, uh we'll get there, but just a little bit. So I you mentioned this when you came in the door tonight, and I so I changed our first question, Kat. So how much maintenance do you do on your body to stay as beautiful looking as you are, right? Like everything.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

So what I'm not going through certain situations in my life that right now I'm going through a little bit of things, relationship things. I do tend to go to the gym every day.

SPEAKER_03 4:17

Okay, well, that sucks. What else do you do?

SPEAKER_02 4:19

Um lashes. I do lashes, hair extensions. Okay. I also had my brows microbladed.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Nails.

SPEAKER_03 4:29

Yeah, waxing.

SPEAKER_02 4:30

And I don't do waxing.

unknown 4:32

Girl.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

All shaved. Just shaved? All shave, yes. Okay. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 4:36

Seriously.

SPEAKER_02 4:36

Yeah, all shave. Okay. Just because I feel like when it grows back in, like it's easier for me to maintain a the shaved process like of sh just shaving and how it grows back when it shaves versus how it grows back when it is Brazilian.

SPEAKER_03 4:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

Because I feel like you you kind of stun your follicle. And even then when it bleeds, then that means it's dead.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

And it won't grow back. So eventually, if you do it enough, it's just as good as laser. And Erin has razor and still has really lasers? Yeah. She still has.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

I have a laser too.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

Do you still get it doesn't work? Yeah. Well, that's why she's saying that. I'm Italian. I have hormonal imbalance. Like the laser hair removal does not work. I've even done electrolysis, which is more like intense than the laser one. Doesn't work. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

Well, and here's the weird Ellie is I feel like you're blonde and you're very light skinned and stuff like me. Like I have so little body hair, it doesn't matter.

unknown 5:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

That's why I had to get my brows bladed because I literally looked like I would make fun of myself when I was younger. I would not get my lashes filled, and I would just, I felt like I looked like a can't cancer patient. I know. I'm so sorry for saying that.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

No, that's true. My my lashes are blonde and and I'm transparent. Oh my god, it's horrible. And I actually had to take all my lashes off the extensions because I had an allergic reaction to them. To the glue or something like that. Yes. And then they went to super gentle glue, and then it was still too much. Like my eyes just were swelling, and I'm like, I literally could not live without the lashes. I thought that too, until both of my eyes were swollen shut.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

I feel like it's not an attractive. God willing. I hope that never happens to me, but I pray it doesn't matter. I think I spend the most money on my hair.

SPEAKER_03 6:21

Oh, well, of course, that makes sense with extensions, right? It just does.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

I let a girl fry basically fry my hair off because within one sitting I went from warm blonde like this to platinum in one sitting. And we're recovering. But Aaron's Erin is so well-rounded with all of her beauty. Like she's worked in med spa, she's worked in a dermatology office, and we recently got put on Accutane together. Good. Best thing I ever did for myself. Really?

SPEAKER_03 6:50

Okay, we can talk about that a little bit more too. But okay, so Erin is a friend of yours who who films with you, correct? And Kat just happens to know Aaron and loved her and adored her, and they're they've reconnected again through you.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

Yes. That's awesome. It is she is a sweetheart. She's one of the kindest people I know. I love, I love working with her. Now I have scared her. And so she really only likes to work with me. Oh, because she's learned through my trial and error of how dog eat, dog world this industry is when it comes to loyalty, integrity, and just being a good human to each other. I agree completely.

SPEAKER_03 7:27

But you know what? I'm glad you're there for that purpose.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Yeah, 100%. And I more so she takes the credit here because she's more here for me than I have to be for her, because she doesn't subject herself to this crowd of people that I do or put herself out there as much as I do for obvious reasons. Yeah, clear. But she's always right there when I need her. Okay. Need an ear.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

Fair enough. So tell us a little bit about background about yourself. Like you know, if you don't care about the age thing, like just you can say what decade.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

So I'm 31. Okay. I turn 32 in July.

SPEAKER_03 8:00

You look much younger, just so you know.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

I I get that I look a little bit more mature in person. And I'm like, does that mean I look old?

SPEAKER_03 8:07

No, not at all. No, not at all. As a matter of fact, I will tell you, I think you're more beautiful in person. I truly do. I get that too. I get that because it's weird with the filter, you know, just the way you filter something. And editing and everything. I mean, I think that you are just the wholesome country girl next door. She's sitting here with her trucker hat on, torn jeans, and and you look and in literally no makeup other than your lashes.

SPEAKER_02 8:31

The lashes and the brows, and I did that on purpose.

SPEAKER_03 8:33

Yeah, and she looks absolutely beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

Yeah, and Aaron has guided me into some things that would make my skin feel and I love that. So I don't have skin issues anymore. And on that Accutane, you can't tan, so it's much better for your skin.

SPEAKER_03 8:49

Oh, definitely. Without a doubt. Okay, so you're 31. Are you in a relationship right now or not? Currently, no.

SPEAKER_02 8:56

I was this time two months ago, and unfortunately, this been a couple months. This relationship, this kind of work in a relationship puts a strain. So no.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

That's I was gonna ask. So, okay, because that was a question I had for later, but I I'll just ask it now then. Ask it now. So because you were saying your partner. Uh-huh. That's not your man, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:16

So my partner, I do, yes, we he is my man, and I considering I consider him a partner in the business. Yes, and more so in the later years of our relationship, I considered him more of a partner than I did a lover.

SPEAKER_03 9:30

Oh, that sucks. And it did.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Yeah, that would sound like greed set in and things just weren't, and he felt like I was greedy. I felt like he was greedy, he felt like I was a walking devil standards. Well, I felt like he was. So neither one of us could take direct accountability, and I think that's what hurt the worst. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 9:47

Well, you know, just a little piece on that. I mean, he gets nothing without you. You are the money, you're the money shot here. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

True. But just like every other woman in the world that that has a split between their legs, just like I do, he's very cocky and he knows that he did do a good job of doing things.

SPEAKER_03 10:06

Yeah. So Yeah, but you know what? I've fucked enough guys that I know that here's my thing. I was I was looking for someone when I met him. So, and it most of the time it's probably about hot sex, but I think every uh, and I hate to say this, but I think every lover is replaceable. Now, yeah, building a relationship is different. You guys were together for a long time. We were.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

We have a very beautiful little I think it's beautiful, and I when I tell it to people, like I was not leading a very healthy lifestyle with my high school sweetheart of 11 years. Oh god, so you're loyal. I love you. I'm loyal to you. Well, I'm here for the duration girlfriend. You can get rid of me. It's not easy. I'm a good communicator and I am not afraid to wear my heart on my sleeve and tell you when something's got me bent. Right.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

That's awesome. 11 years with your high school sweetheart, and then so 11 years with my high school sweetheart.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

We were very toxic for each other. His mother used to tell us we kept each other in a box. We would just, we just wouldn't give up on one another. And I finally had enough because I was getting the absolute bare lit minimum, lived in a terrible housing situation. It was great and not good. So I left Athens, Ohio and went to Lancaster, Ohio. Okay. And I met Kyle and was very, very happy. And he helped me understand that like there's so much more to happiness than getting high and doing all the things and living off of your partner's parents and not taking anybody's word for granted when it comes to, yeah, you should think about a career. Yeah. Because this is a big deal. You know, I'm a runner, I've ran from everything in my entire life. Um college, I've never finished. I did learn a lot, but I didn't take much of that with me. So I moved to Lancaster. I met Kyle. I was influenced to live a better life. And I love that actually. You can always thank him for that, by the way. Absolutely, and I do all the time. And he knows I'm very grateful, very, very grateful. Okay. And when people ask me what happened, I am very honest. Like first time I was wholesomely the issue. Yeah. A hundred percent. Um, I had a really hard time getting over my first partner because my family really traded him in for me, or that's so it felt. Uh, he got a girlfriend that kind of resembled me, and he was taking her to my family's homes. And I was like, what is going on here? I'm like, I left to better my life, and none of you are supporting me than more than you're even hanging out with him, you know. So Kyle caught me cheating or not not cheating, like please forgive me in my car scrolling on his Facebook and happened to be standing behind me for like two, I don't know how long, honey, long enough for him to say, Come inside and get your shit. Yeah. And I did just that, but it took me a while. I drug it out because I was like, he's gonna be fine, he's gonna get over it. Well, he did it, and I left. Okay. And then I lived with a good friend for like two years, and I got my own place, or not two years, two months. Okay. Not there very long. He was very proud of me for that because I was bounced in and bounced out, got my own place on we won't say where. Yeah, that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

We don't we don't need to know.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

A couple months later, I was indicted for selling mushrooms.

SPEAKER_03 13:21

Wait. Silicon. Excuse me, just a moment. Mushrooms wait, mushrooms are a drug. They are scheduled one.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Schedule one. So it's basically like LSD. What? Oh, they're they're highest class, schedule one.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

Oh my god, I had no idea. So everyone remind me to go hide the mushrooms.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

Every tab of LSD that you have is considered a felony. A felony. I know that. Yeah. Yeah. So so psilocybum mushrooms. I don't know if it holds the same weight, but I know my first plea was 13 years. That's what they were trying to give. Oh my God. So I got I hired a lawyer from my hometown, Buzzball. And at that point, he had an apprentice that worked with me because he was very sick, did a decent job. So my second plea was seven years. My third plea was three and a half on good behavior. I would get out in two. Okay. And that's what I took.

SPEAKER_03 14:15

So they were working, like they were giving you a deal, kind of. Basically, a plea deal. Yeah. And I drug it out for probably eight months. Well, and the longer you drag it out, the better. Don't ask me how I know that, but I do.

unknown 14:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

So I didn't know.

SPEAKER_03 14:27

We don't need to talk about my family here.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

I um went to I kind of dabbled in in mostly a sexual relationship with my first partner because I knew that that wasn't going to go much else further than that. And I when I got indicted, I was fully prepared. I only trusted my little brother because I pretty much raised him to be who he is. I worked two jobs aside from selling the drugs, but all that got in confiscated because I couldn't use any of that. So I worked two full-time jobs at a hospital that I went ended up getting fired from for having an ankle monitor on due to my aggressive charges. And then Texas Roadhouse, which they took very good care of me and understood and was very compassionate about what I was going through.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

And I I I'm still floored by this. I mean, I did not know mushrooms were even classified. I mean, they're natural.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

I feel like also I had a prosecutor, and I do know for a fact now that I was set up and I do I know the exact person still actively working as an informant. And I so I can't really speak much on that point.

SPEAKER_03 15:34

That's okay. Mama Irene off off recording is going to need to know the name of that person because I am fucking karma. And I will wait for years with Kat and I actually have a revenge show coming up.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Mama's already got them, you know, because you're stuck in that aggressive circle chasing your tail of helping them to help yourself. And guess what? I didn't do.

SPEAKER_03 15:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

I took that little shit on the chin because all of I knew that if I didn't protect the man that had three boys and I had zero. Right. That's true. I was taking a man from his family.

SPEAKER_03 16:10

Oh my God, you're fucking amazing.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

You are amazing. It's great. Seriously. So I did that.

SPEAKER_03 16:15

Let's you and I get married.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

I mean it was great.

SPEAKER_03 16:19

I make a lot of money. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

I would literally not trade that. So people ask me sometimes, would you trade what you did for a better future? Would you trade your past for a better future? No. I wouldn't either.

SPEAKER_03 16:32

I'm the same with you. Like, uh, why would you ever change? Because it makes us who we are today.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

The solitude that I was able to obtain while I was in there and working on myself and reading, I read all the secret books by Rhonda Byron. I don't know if you know her or familiar. But I'll write it. Very, very big on energy. Oh. And I felt like I had to compare as an and and as unfortunate as that is, my first my only two relationships, yeah, which were Brendan and Kyle. And they were astronomically different. Each of them did completely different things and had different characteristics about themselves that made me honor each of them in a different way, but more one toward the other because due to the helping me get sober and all the things. So I prayed so hard for a second opportunity with Kyle. And when I got home from prison, he was in my Facebook DM, and I was like, Oh, okay. I like this. This is crazy. I like it. I myself was like, Yeah, me too. I did exactly what I was supposed to do when I was in there. Yep. I'm in the right, I'm exactly where the universe wants me to be. And I was so thankful. Yeah. And and and so was he. And I think it took him a while to understand because I broke his heart the first time. The first time we dated, he told me he loved me. The second time of just a few months. Yeah, like less than three months, he told me he loved me. The second time we dated, it took him four years to say it never.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

I can't even imagine going four years and not telling the person who is your person, right? That you like, I don't know, maybe I'm just a lover, but like I say it all the time.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

I feel like the stigma behind, you know, him him being my partner, him helping me run things, making 35% of my earnings was a sense of entitlement.

SPEAKER_03 18:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Which you learn all about that stuff and how to walk away from it and how to learn not to be entitled. And, you know, when you go to to to CBCF behavior modification, you learn how to manage every single aspect of your emotions. I love that. So for me, it was hard because I spent two years learning that, and I came home to someone that was, you know, like very alpha uh male, very masculine in a way that he constantly felt like I was trying to chuck trump his alpha. What? So I mean maybe you felt that way because you weren't providing and it was coming from that you were providing, quite frankly.

SPEAKER_03 18:53

Essentially, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Offering all of the qualities that he possessed that were well for our business. Right. Still, when I walk, everything else goes with me.

SPEAKER_03 19:02

Yeah, exactly. Okay, wait, you let's go back just a little bit on your family. So I'm assuming they're aware of what you do, right? And are they supportive now?

SPEAKER_02 19:12

They are support and they've always been. Oh, okay, good. I think it was a little bit of a hard pill for my dad to swallow. It's always gonna be the dad. So yeah, but boy, now my dad's like, and my dad also doesn't have social media, so that makes it perfect. Thank God, yes. And my mom is, she can't keep a phone charge to save her life. So she's hardly ever on there. But sometimes she'll be like, she'll watch certain things online and she'll be like, This woman goes on date virtual dates with these people. She doesn't understand the scale that I that I'm working on when I tell her, like, I'll tell her some of the funny things that I'm asked to do. And she's like, You've gotta be kidding me. Oh my god. And then she'll tell our family members, like, can you believe that this is happening? And I'm like, I just think it's funny because she does find she does find interest in it in sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 19:58

I love that. Okay, a little icebreaker question. How old were you when you lost your virginity?

SPEAKER_02 20:04

I was a late bloomer. Me too. So 17 and a half, going on 18. Okay. I was scared to death of my dad. Well, yeah, dads do that to us. Two brothers, two brothers that played high school football. So every one of their friends were like, Oh, Puckett's Puckett's little sister, you know, and I did I did have nice boobs when I was like in growing. Yeah. So everybody was like, Puckett, we want to see your sister's boobs. I'm like, man, you guys can't humiliate. Now I have to sleep in bed with my dad when my friends, when my brothers have friends over because he's worried something's gonna happen, you know? It was okay though.

SPEAKER_03 20:41

But I know what you mean. Like my brothers, I mean, they were super popular and everything, but my dad was like, anybody comes near her, like, I'm gonna kill you. And it got to a point where like he wouldn't even let me go to high school. Like I stayed home.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

I didn't get to go to prom.

SPEAKER_03 20:55

Yeah, and I'm also like you. I don't did your brothers talk about all their little conquests with their friends in front of you?

SPEAKER_02 21:01

I was able to join a lot of them.

SPEAKER_03 21:03

Because and I I think I was there, but I was just like, oh my God. Like I decided that I was never having sex in high school. Oh, yeah. Now, not that I went to high school, but I was doing all the work at home kind of thing. But with that said, just because of the talk and all of the friends, and you know, it's guy talk, it's locker room talk. Oh, yeah. And I thought, nope, I'm gonna pick who I want to take my virginity. And I did. And it was I was 19, so I was really late blooming. Wow, good for you though. And I picked a guy from work, and it's a long story. I'm not gonna go into it yet. Oh well. Okay, so I'm proud of you. 17. I you know, we had some people in here a couple months ago, and they were like 12 and 13. I'm like, no, no, that is way too young.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

But I mean, that's just the stigma of a millennial generation.

SPEAKER_03 21:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Absolutely not. I have a 10 year old, no. No. Wait, your baby's Gen Z though if she's 10, right? It's a it's a boy. Okay. He better not. But he is Gen Z though if he's 10.

SPEAKER_03 22:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

I don't know. So it's a little bit different. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

It's a little funny.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

So a l late 80s, early nine, and all of 90s are Gen X. Yeah. Early 2000s are no, we're millennials. I'm sorry. Okay. My little brother, early 2000s to 2010, is Gen X. And then now, so your baby and Aaron's baby's Gen Z.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

Well, there you go. Just in case you were wondering, Cat.

SPEAKER_02 22:36

Okay. Like you and I are millennials. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

And then are you a millennial? How old are you?

SPEAKER_03 22:43

Oh, girl, we're not going to talk about that.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

Okay. I know. It's so rude. I get so defensive when men are like, I'm like, did your mom not teach you the second rule of manners? Like, you are not supposed to ask. You're not supposed to ask.

SPEAKER_03 22:55

Actually, I don't want to give my actual age because I'm very anonymous in this podcast. Okay, that's but I will tell you I'm probably your mom's age or older.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:04

So just kind of keep that in mind.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

And as we're talking, I just want to say this too. Uh, we say all the dirty words. We don't use clinical things like vagina and penis. We say pussy and cock. Okay. Yeah. Okay. As we're going through this, feel free to just be as as open as possible as you want to be. Yeah. Okay. So which one? Okay, we're getting into some of some more of the introduction and icebreaker section. But out of all the social media platforms, which one is your number one financial revenue generator for you?

SPEAKER_02 23:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

Do you mean as far as like sex work platforms or even um Facebook or even Facebook though, because you post so much on Facebook, you and so much interaction.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

So so I consider sex work and then lifestyle.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

Okay, let's talk about lifestyle then.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Okay, so inst or Instagram and Facebook are very much lifestyle. Okay. I don't do monetization, I'm not monetization on Instagram just because it's very hard to figure out.

SPEAKER_03 24:04

Yeah, I agree. It's all over the place.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

Once you try to make friends in this industry, you become a target if something doesn't go the way everyone plans. So you're constantly getting reported or things have to be taken down. That's right. And right now, Instagram is really flagging us sex work creators with our third party links. That sucks. So we're not able to put the third party link in there. Right. Now Facebook, Willy Lilly, does not care. Okay. But you also have to be careful, like certain cleavage, certain bikini videos. Now I will put and I go through these phases, and it's like a shark tooth pattern of finding things that work, finding things that just absolutely don't. Yeah. And the ones that work will go absolutely bananas. Like there's one me in numbers. And it'll be two big cherries. Like, or like how many trucks you have. Whatever, a couple of other ones. Like I always put two super duties because I'm like, oh yeah. Yeah. Because one house, like when people realize or people think that that's all yours, they're like, some of the comments are like, yeah, I wonder how many, how many people you had to do to do get that. Or of course. You know, they're just it's rage me. So it's like, and it's all in good fun for me because I don't you don't read the comments for the most part. For the most part, I don't, but every now and then one will pop up on my feed and it'll be mean. Yeah. I mean, like, how about this?

SPEAKER_03 25:26

I'm like, I I was just reading through them just for the hell of it. And some of them are very psycho, and I mean that. Like, oh yeah, like the like this one guy was like an ex-army guy. He must have been about a hundred from the way he wrote, but he was saying, like, you don't need to do this for a living. I can, I'll take care of you, I'll marry you. And I'm like, Good God. And then he kept commenting. It was like fighting with himself.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

And here's what's going on. No, and here's what's crazy like every single comment boosts engagement.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

Right. I know. That's what I said. I almost started arguing with him just to boost the engagement.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

What's crazy is I've thought actually about hiring someone a certain percentage a month. Yeah. Of my Facebook revenue, which I don't make a whole lot. I think my last payout for last month was 1700.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

Oh my God. As much as you post on there? Yeah. Okay, here's what's weird. My brother, he's a professional drag racer. His stupid Facebook page, and I we haven't even figured out, I haven't even figured out how to monetize it for him. But you know, he's a digital creator, right? The other day he sent me how many people looked at his Facebook page and what or interacted and looked at it? 3.1 million. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:35

Is that what you get too? So yeah, yeah. I've I so the most I've ever had it at was 2. or 10.8. Oh my god. Right now it's sitting at 2.1 because the last month I've been still been trying to move my things and get settled into my new home. Yeah. And also, it's hard when you've made content with so I'm in a little bit of a survival survival road right now mode because my partner that I filmed, the only male partner I've filmed.

SPEAKER_03 27:03

Oh, that's on my list of questions here.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

Mine and cats has blocked me. Oh, I can't use his content.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

So it becomes like that's when you become it becomes very dangerous for you. Is when you don't have a consistent partner that's backing you and uh, you know, supporting your everyone in this industry and and also not very envious, jealous, or lustful.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

Right. I agree. I mean, because you could get any guy to fuck you, but that's different. Right. I mean, having that trust of the person that you're in a relationship, the person you love. And I'll say that I've only ever done any video with my partner. Oh, right. That I mean, I've never done it with anybody else.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

And it's so crazy because you like I just made the it's crazy being single in your 30s because you got someone in their 80s telling you they'll take care of you for the rest of their lives. Right. And then you got the the millennials that are like not sure what's going on. You got the 2003 boys asking you for your Snapchat, and you're like, Right, we don't we don't develop much on Snapchat. Like, that's it's called Snatch Chat for a reason.

SPEAKER_03 28:07

Yeah, and that's and that's all the guys that are on there are either in a relationship or married, and that's the way for them.

SPEAKER_02 28:13

That's literally why I'm in the position I'm in with my current partner. Can I tell you this and just be open and honest? Yeah, the universe thought I was fucking playing a couple months ago. So my high school sweetheart, we were from Athens, Ohio, yeah, had a best friend that was with this woman, had two babies, that now has four, five children, four different baby daddies. Okay. I get on my partner's phone, which I am not a checker phone or all the things. Yeah, you either trust him or you don't. We we ended up putting two phones on our phone plan so that I could go live with two more extra phones at once. Okay, good. And it just happened to ring in the corner, and I was like, that phone never goes off because there's nothing on it.

SPEAKER_04 28:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

He used it for a couple weeks while his phone was dead, and I get on his Snapchat and it it's saved under a friend that we know from up north Ohio that has really nice trucks, all the things. Saved his his name, right? But it had long hair. Yeah. And I was like, we're gonna click it and we're gonna look. Yeah, because our guts are telling us to. Yeah, and I'd be damned if it wasn't the same girl my high school sweetheart cheated on me with. Oh my god. And it literally just cut, I swear to God, Kat, it cut too deep, and I was like, bye, see you later. And with me goes the meal ticket.

SPEAKER_03 29:28

Yes, exactly. Sorry. No, that's I'm with you for that.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

You'll have to go back to ironwork if you want to.

SPEAKER_03 29:36

You gotta make it. You wanna be the six? Yeah, well, and not only that, I mean, listen. What's she gonna have to offer you that's worth much? I'll tell you, having having three kids is like you need someone.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

You know, and once the gaslight me, like we've got life by the balls, we have nothing to worry about. Neither one of us are addicted to drugs, neither one of us have a drinking problem. I'm like, no, but one of us is lustful.

SPEAKER_03 29:57

Yeah. And yeah, or greedy, it might have been that too.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

And a combination of both.

SPEAKER_03 30:03

Yeah, that sucks. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

It's okay, because listen, the trash takes itself out.

SPEAKER_03 30:08

It sure does. It sure does. Definitely. So, how did you okay? Let's talk about first of all, how you first discovered OnlyFans. Let's talk about that. Like when it was first brought to your attention. And then what what made you decide to join?

SPEAKER_02 30:22

Okay, I cannot recall names because I'm terrible with that. We don't need names. So I Kyle and I ended our first uh bit of our relationship. I was working at Texas Roadhouse full-time and hospital. So Texas Roadhouse second shift, the hospital I worked, third shift. So I would get off at Texas Roadhouse and go there.

SPEAKER_03 30:41

Oh, COVID hit. You're a hustler.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

It was crazy, but that lack of sleep, the only thing that was absolutely terri heartbreaking was I had to have my high school sweetheart come get my dog because she was never she was always by herself. No, I couldn't. I did take her to work a couple times at the retirement home, and that was really cool. Yeah. But she's a little bit unpredictable. She's a healer that can't figure out if she's gonna fight or flight mode all the time.

SPEAKER_03 31:05

So you were so COVID hit. And so we were talking about like when you decided to join only.

SPEAKER_02 31:12

So COVID hit, and I was making$12.50 an hour working at a memory care hospital. Okay. Now they did pay me a little bit more. I believe they paid me like$1.50 more on the hour because I was phlebotomy certified. Ah. So I wasn't licensed yet, but I was certified. And then I was working Texas Roadhouse, but Texas Roadhouse, if you remember correctly, through COVID, all the studios shut down, or not the studios, the uh restaurants shut down. Yep, they sure. So I was kind of in a full-blown plant panic at that point. I was paying$800 a month for a two, two-bedroom, full basement little house uh in Lancaster, and it was great. Loved it. And then I got indicted and was worried. Oh so what I did was I had bought a my first big girl purchase with my OnlyFans money was a 2013 Hyundai Elantra, and I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread, like had a stick shift, and it was great. So when that happened, I got a little bit nervous because I was making good money at the memory care hospital, but it was it was only like$12.50. Right. So it wasn't real.

SPEAKER_03 32:19

Even if it was$15, but still, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

And so my mom was an STNA and I didn't have my STNA license. I was basically an RA with a certification of phlebotomy. So that's why they give me a little bit of a raise. And third shift there was crazy after working a full second shift at Texas Roadhouse. You're running nonstop, you're getting your steps in, you know. Holy shit. So that's what made me start because I was an essential worker at the hospital. Yep. I call it a hospital, but it was a memory care hospital. Yep. And it I was nervous it wasn't gonna be enough. Right. And I was on top of the selling the mushrooms.

SPEAKER_03 32:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

I was greedy.

SPEAKER_03 32:56

No, you no, you weren't greedy. You were in survival mode. I will I I'm telling you, I can feel it a mile away. So you I don't believe you were greedy.

SPEAKER_02 33:04

I think that you're like, I'm gonna make a guy because the two jobs were enough. I was making they were? I uh they were, and it was$800 then. Okay. And a little, I think if my car payment was like maybe$250, my insurance was$150, and due to having a SR22 bond. Right, you forgot about that. Um I forgot about those. Darn it. So my bills were not crazy. Okay. My little brother also, like, you know, had a room, but he was 19 and was never there. Still paid his way, but was never there. So I was just very I wanted to, I wanted to bank. Okay. Because I learned very quickly from Kyle that saving your money is important. Oh, how my parents never taught me that because they were babies raising babies. Right. My first partner never taught me that because his parents were kind of estranged from each other, never together from the moment he was born. Both a little bit of alcoholics, it is what it is. We'll call it what we will. They're both very, very different now.

SPEAKER_03 34:02

Yeah. But so you decided I'm gonna do OnlyFans, or were you you had you already had an account or not?

SPEAKER_02 34:08

No, I hadn't. And I had been asked by somebody because I was trying to sell things on Snapchat. Oh, okay. And he was like, Have you still thought about starting an OnlyFans? And I'm like, No, but what is it? Tell me, and I will because I'm stuck in my household. I'm driving myself stir crazy. Right. The first month on there, which is kind of crazy, I made$5,800. Wow. And I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

Wait, were they people you knew? Okay, girl.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

What was your what was your first post like on yeah? That's a that's a great. So hear me out.

SPEAKER_02 34:41

Like what my first sub fee, which is what you pay to subscribe to the page, was fifty dollars for a month.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

For a month. Wait a minute for people to see you just to see me in underwear. Because I had no idea. That's so funny. I had no happy.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

Were you super nervous? Yeah. Go cat. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 35:06

Oh, okay. You had it for you said your first sub fee. So, like just one person, just one person or like it was$50 for one person.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

Like, can you change that for each person? You you can't change it for each person, but you can change it for the entirety of your page.

SPEAKER_03 35:22

So she made$5,800 her first month. So what is that?

SPEAKER_02 35:25

Wow. I had like 48 fans. Oh my god. And it ended up being like I ended up making a decent money. Not only that, but Kyle and I had made a couple clips in the beginning of our relationship. Yeah. And at that point, I had that stuff all over there because it wasn't being flagged because you didn't have to have release forms then. Oh OnlyFans has really stepped up their game to protect their creators and their non-creators, but that help their creators. Interesting. So there's release forms and legality through it all. Now I can just tag anybody, but if you block me, say we make a video here and I just tag your tag and it's got a creator check mark. Yeah. You block me, I can't. I can't use a sample. That's what you meant is he blocked you. Now I get it. So now listen, I I leave and he's not happy about it. And he's like, the only way I got to get her back is you can't use my content business.

SPEAKER_04 36:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

Okay, but do you think that nobody else is gonna do what you do? Right. Just like if I would be a fool to think that no one else would let you run their page.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

Well, and he's but obviously could do it with another woman too. I mean, you know, he is, he has.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

Okay. And but like right before, I had asked me for permission to uh he's he calls me into his game room because he streams on TikTok call it or it's not Call of Duty, it's Warcraft or whatever. He's like, I need a favor. And I'm like, okay, is I just spelled it in my gut, so I'm blunt as hell and I don't care. And I don't care how masculine you think you are. You're not gonna try to trump me, especially when I feel like it's a greedy situation. I was like, is this gonna favor? Is this favor gonna piss me off? And he's like, I'm not sure, but I need you to go to dinner with me and this girl so that you can convince her that I have it in me to scale her. Oh, I'm like, oh and here's what I won't be doing. Yeah. Going to dinner with you to scale her when all you did was sit on your ass and play your game and use your fingers to message these men back and forth while I stood on concrete for eight hours a day and made you$94,000 in a month. Wow. Don't do that to me. Oh my god. Don't be that guy. Oh don't be that guy. Or you can go back to work and still run my stuff for 10%.

SPEAKER_03 37:34

Yeah. But I here's the thing though, at this point, I w I mean I hate to say this, but I wouldn't trust him to run your stuff.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

I do, and I do. And it is very good. Very, very good. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

Oh no, your shit is good. There's no doubt about it. Good human. Okay. Oh, he's a good human? He is.

SPEAKER_02 37:50

He's just a little bit greedy, and I think that's maybe how he was raised. He's raised by a single mom with five kids. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

These bitches with five kids.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

I don't know. I don't get it. Holy shit. Okay. Listen, today on fuck those kids. I tell my dad that all the time about my brother's children because I'm like, look, like you guys don't got it together enough. Like, I'll do what I can, but you guys gotta get it together.

SPEAKER_03 38:14

Okay, so when you so he's still oh go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

No, you go.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

So he still is running. You all are not together anymore. We are not together.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

But he's still running? No. You're now he's not. And then uh yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

And when you're so when you were together, yes. When you were together, you guys would film, so you would have videos with him and he was running your page. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

So but does he also have his own profile or he has a profile as a so you're saying so he just created a profile uh and a profile as a creator that would that would sell, could sell, so that I could tag him. So what where I messed up was instead of having him do that, you sign the release form because at that point he would have. Yeah, because he still had his union iron worker job, all the things, yeah, and was making decent money for an iron worker. He was able to buy a$340,000 barn and have a$80,000 Illuma duty. Yeah, yeah. Um so he was able to.

SPEAKER_03 39:19

Yeah, I mean, you have enabled him. I mean, he clearly understands how to maneuver the social media world and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

And he's good at it. And I've watched from the sidelines and absorb absorbed that like a sponge. What sucks is when you're in this and you're trying to leave for yourself, it doesn't feel better than staying.

SPEAKER_03 39:38

No, I don't.

SPEAKER_02 39:39

Um, so when you do leave and you and you're like, okay, like we're gonna take this for what it is and we're gonna run with it, it becomes you're like, oh well.

SPEAKER_03 39:49

Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, it did the whole thing, you know, it it's unfortunate for both of you. I bet he'll be back though. I and I don't you and you won't take him back? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

Not as a business partner or someone asked me a week ago.

SPEAKER_03 40:02

What?

SPEAKER_02 40:03

Someone asked me a week ago, how do you think it would make you feel to do what you do for a living for someone to help you but also bring their own money to the table? It shell shocked me.

SPEAKER_03 40:17

Yeah, that would shell-shock me too.

SPEAKER_02 40:19

Because imagine making doing what I do for a living, making content, make it creating this lifestyle and that person already having and being so successful that they don't need it.

SPEAKER_03 40:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:29

Set yourself up, honey.

SPEAKER_03 40:31

Yep. Agreed. Okay, so what was your very first post? Was it just you and a thong or something?

SPEAKER_02 40:38

My very first post was me and a mere. It was a little back shot with undies on. Because I was scared to death. I'm like.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

What kind of undies? Just regular undies?

SPEAKER_02 40:47

Like some Victoria's Secret thong undies. Okay. So yeah, I took a lot of stuff with my black light because I thought that was super hot.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Yeah, I agree because they glow in the dark.

SPEAKER_02 40:56

Yeah, the white. Yeah. And then so I've never been a no-pay-per-view page.

SPEAKER_03 41:03

What's that mean? We don't know what that means.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

So a no pay-per-view page, like creators, like I'm pretty I I do believe Indiana MILF has a no-pay-per-view page. Like you go to her page, everything's on her feed. Now she'll sell videos and all the things, but you you see a lot more there than you would per se my page. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 41:22

So like I subscribe to the page.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

Is that what you mean? I subscribe to you. So you don't have to subscribe to her? No, you do have to subscribe. Oh, okay. But say you subscribe to me, you're only seeing these boobies. Right. You subscribe to her, you're seeing the boobies in the vagina, and maybe even the booty hole. Okay. Now I've never subbed to her, and I've never subbed to any woman. Right. Because I take pride in learning this all by myself with no help.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

Well, that's because I would subscribe to them. I would. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:52

I have, but I've been in the mainstream of all these girls that do it, and some of them are like, why would you be here if you weren't trying to copy me? Oh, yeah. To me, that's so fucking stupid. I would love to touch base back on that if we can that down. Yeah. Subscribing to women.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

Oh, subscribing because we didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

A lot of girls think that it's you're there to copy. Yeah. And when it when it becomes like, oh, you're there to copy. So in the beginning of this, my girlfriend Maddie had this other girl reach out to her. She was like, You're posing with the same horse. And because we found she like her reel popped up and it had a couple hundred thousand views. So we were like, Why? We were at the jamboree that like Jason Aldean goes to and all the things, like the country, country fest. We went there and I was like, Why don't you take this twisted tea off the top of my straw hat? Drink it, lean down. I'm gonna pour it on the top of my hat. We're gonna have some random dude do it, and you're gonna drink it. And it was great and it went viral. Well, the girl messaged her and said something. Well, Maddie's a little spitfire, and she's like, You can take your fake tits and shove them up her ass. And this girl messaged me, like, Ellie, why would you let her talk to me like that? I'm like, she's a grown woman, girl. Yeah, why are you why are you reaching out to her? I might be mentoring her a little bit, but she works just alongside as me as she did you. Like she's allowed to say to you what she wants, and you offended her because she's obviously not copying you. She had those videos up. So, but I have recently worked with a little girl that I do not mind influencing you in a way. But when you get like you want to dye your hair back the same color as me, even though you single white female are naturally a blonde, so you have that to back you, but then you get the same tattoos as me. What? And then I block you on Facebook, and you are now putting the same captions as me on my most viral reel.

SPEAKER_03 43:43

That is literally single white female.

SPEAKER_02 43:45

So girl, tell me you're unoriginal as hell without telling me. Yeah. Because I authenticity is a huge thing for me, and that'll get you further in life than anything. Totally. Authenticity will get you further in life than the truth.

SPEAKER_03 43:59

Yep. It will. You're right. Just being authentic to yourself, to people that are listening to you, all of that. Like I agree completely.

SPEAKER_00 44:06

I was gonna say, okay, so once you started, you said you're like posting some bag shots in your panty and stuff. How did you evolve over time though? Like, how did you okay?

SPEAKER_02 44:14

So I made a really decent amount. Like I would sell that like me and Kyle's little clip.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

And then I don't know what wait, what did were you and Kyle doing? Was he fucking you? I was we're giving him a blowjob. I was giving him a blowjob. Okay. I see I should have monetized my boy.

SPEAKER_02 44:29

Just like a sample. Yeah, and it was so short. It was like not even 45 seconds. And I swear to God, I made like$2,000 off of it. Oh, 45-second video. So that's where a lot of my first income come from. And then things really started dying down because once people realized they were paying almost$50 a month to see nothing. They were like, okay. So I had like four or five chargebacks, which OnlyFans is shitty in that sense because Fansly doesn't allow that. Oh you can't charge back. If you buy it, you buy it. You knew what you were doing when you did it.

SPEAKER_03 45:02

When you did it. I thought OnlyFans always went with the creator.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

Like I they do not. So they have a DCMA where you can it's a switch of a toggle that says that they can't save your content. But when you switch that toggle and I say, Hey, subscribe to my OnlyFans, I'll give you the money to do so to reimburse you. Screenshot my content and see if you can send it to me. They always can can. They always can't work. My following has told me it's not working.

SPEAKER_03 45:30

Yeah, I get it.

SPEAKER_00 45:31

Wait, so you're saying if I were you cannot screenshot or screen recording in those apps?

SPEAKER_02 45:38

You can. You can screenshot. Fansly doesn't allow them to screen record or screenshot. I like that. OnlyFans does. Yeah. And that's why a lot of people go to Fansly because you're protected more as a creator there than you are with OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_03 45:52

Because I took pictures of your I because I wanted to use them for my questions, right? So I totally was taking screenshots, right? Totally. So I feel bad. Like, I mean, not that I'm not sure. Don't feel bad.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

And the only way don't feel bad, and it's it you have a disclaimer, which I'm not sure if I do, I know I don't have that in my bio, but you can't have it in your bio of disclaimer of what is would happen to you if you stole the content and used it as your own or did whatever. I actually know girls that have stolen videos off of Pornhub and have completely lost their ability to use certain platforms. Oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

Because they posted it as their own? Yes. Oh my God, that's so awesome. I mean, I used to do that in high school. She did.

SPEAKER_03 46:39

She did.

SPEAKER_00 46:40

I mean, I can't caught poor OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

I didn't do that when I sold stuff on because I because look, you can Google because I was scared to death. I'm like, listen, I had I had because I had them removed, but I had two beautiful little blemish moles above my below my navel, above my vagina. Yeah. And that I was like, this is identifiable. So I'm like, um, there ain't no way. So I took a video, or not a video, but a photo off of Google. And because somebody, listen, somebody had two weeks ago, we were like, oh, this is a pretty vagina. I'm like, all this too. And I'm like, just get one of those and send it to you. You could like you could. Yeah. And as long as she was blonde, nobody would know.

SPEAKER_03 47:23

Kat is an expert on this. She really is. She knows how to do it. And she did it for years until someone caught her.

SPEAKER_00 47:31

Yeah. So when you first started, though, were you did you keep it on the DL or did you just go all in?

SPEAKER_02 47:38

To be honest with you, I had a very brief conversation with myself because none of my family was indulging in the social media.

SPEAKER_03 47:47

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:48

So I was like, and at that point, so I went through a stage of I would follow every single person and then go back through and unfollow every single person. And that's when I first gained my first 5,000 followers aside from the 500 that I knew from home, from high school, all the things. That's how I gained my first 5,000 fans. How? I don't get it. I followed them all. Yeah. Like all like on Facebook or what? Uh Instagram.

SPEAKER_03 48:16

Oh, on Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

And then they all followed me back.

SPEAKER_03 48:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:19

And I unfollowed them all. Okay. So it looked like I was a little bit more, I had more status than what I actually had.

SPEAKER_03 48:25

Yeah, I get that. That's a smart business.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

I met I've been a little yeah, it but people will call you out for it.

SPEAKER_03 48:33

Oh, they will?

SPEAKER_02 48:34

Oh yeah, like just because it's you know, it is what it is. And then I met this young, way younger boy than me from Johnstown. And he was like, he knew my partner, Kyle, and was try I think he was trying to get some sort of lick back, but he was like, come up here and sit on my truck tire. I got a pretty big Instagram. It's got a nice following, which he ended up selling his Instagram for like$15,000. What? I went up there and sat on his truck tire and went from like 5,000 followers to$8,500 in a matter of two days. Okay. That and that's exactly why you do that.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

That's why you do the collaborations and cross.

SPEAKER_02 49:10

That's why you put your ass on a truck tire anytime you can.

SPEAKER_03 49:13

Yeah. Speaking of putting your ass on a truck tire, so I was out looking at your pictures on Facebook, and there was one where you were at CIA performance on a tire, like a race car tire or something. I love them. Well, and they're no longer in business, right? They aren't. No, they aren't. But that's okay, right? They had a good business while it lasted. It's Jeff and then Jeff. Jeff and Erica. Yeah, Jeff and Erica. Yeah. So I just thought that was funny because I'm like they painted my brother's race car, all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

I probably I feel like I've met your brother.

SPEAKER_03 49:44

I feel like you have to.

SPEAKER_02 49:45

I feel like he was there at the shoes. He was always there. And is it something hook photography?

SPEAKER_03 49:54

Oh, yeah. But I don't know. I don't I know who you're talking about. Shannon Hook, I think, is who it was.

SPEAKER_02 49:58

Very good. She took all the photos. Yeah. And she actually introduced me to another girl that at the time was doing OnlyFans. Her name was Danny Lee. Okay. And beautiful little girl has recently moved to Texas. And she was like, wow. When I first met you, you you were had nothing. You had nothing. And now you're like, you've grown so much. And I'm like, TikTok is an amazing form of revenue.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

Is it really? Let's talk about that. Okay. Why is it? Why is it so good?

SPEAKER_02 50:25

So I don't like to give all my secrets up together. Well, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 50:28

You don't have to give all your secrets up to you.

SPEAKER_02 50:29

I would set up a certain amount of phones.

SPEAKER_03 50:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

Multiple. Then I would go live. And at that point, Aaron would go with me. And we would be in my garage. We had two dirt bikes in the background and 15 racks of bushlight. And we would be in our bikinis. And we would have like Aaron, the most I've ever seen her have in her live is 5.8,000 people.

unknown 50:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

In one of her TikTok lives. So the amount of people that that generates, we call it conversion. Okay. That your TikTok people will convert to your OnlyFans. They'll also convert bigger time to other platforms they don't have to pay for. So your your Twitter, your Instagram, your clapper, all of the things they're going everywhere else. But a majority of them. So what I would do is I would go live for eight hours. And if I didn't have a thousand followers on my free page on OnlyFans and a hundred followers, like paid subscribers, I wouldn't get off for the night. What? That was my goal. So within a matter of six years, for eight hours of being live. Yes, ma'am what'd you do for eight hours? Stood and dance, drink Red Bull, hit the vape, hit the vape off film because you're not allowed to do that. Oh, okay. Oh, really? Yeah, they'll ban you for a lot of stuff. So you're no longer really allowed to go live in a bikini unless Okay, there's nothing wrong with a woman in a bikini.

SPEAKER_03 51:52

Are you fucking getting like seriously?

SPEAKER_02 51:56

And it's like we use a restroom. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:59

Okay. Hold on. Well, you know what? We'll do a little pause. Okay. We'll be right back. We're doing we're taking a pee break.

SPEAKER_02 52:05

I am a loud chewer.

SPEAKER_03 52:06

Yeah, so am I.

SPEAKER_00 52:07

It's okay. It's okay. I'm just eating dub chocolates, my favorite. I just go to like read the messages, you know?

SPEAKER_03 52:14

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 52:15

But they're so cheap. Sometimes I'll get the same message, like three pieces of chocolate in a row.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

Either milk or dark chocolate.

SPEAKER_00 52:22

Yeah. Both. These are dark.

SPEAKER_03 52:23

Oh, I love dark chocolate.

SPEAKER_02 52:25

Listen, if you have not tried tried the Ghiradelli dark chocolate with sea salt.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

And wait, with caramel or caramel in it.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

Oh my god. The caramel also, but they put they make one with almonds. Okay. And it is a staple for a charcuterie board.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

How much?

SPEAKER_02 52:41

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

Do you make in your peak year?

SPEAKER_03 52:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:47

It could be like this past year. Okay, let me. Let me look.

SPEAKER_03 52:51

And that's across all your social media things. Because you get paid on everything, right?

SPEAKER_02 52:54

I do, but I I don't know a cumulative. Oh, you don't? Okay. No, through the duration, like my entire three years doing this, I've almost like take home 1.2 million. I love you. But there's a lot of other creators that make that in a month.

unknown 53:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:12

Or make that 100%. Your your take home, that's not including that 35% cut that you gave to that is including it. Yeah, it's included. That is including it. And I included in their cat.

SPEAKER_02 53:24

I included in their cat because it was going to the same household. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:27

And not only that, it's no revenue. Like, you know, in any type of whatever you're selling, doesn't matter what it is.

SPEAKER_02 53:32

So while living in his home because of paying him 35%. Yeah. I paid no mortgage. I took trash, internet, and all of my own bills. Utilities type things. Yep. Got it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:46

So he didn't work another job. He just did.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

So he did in the beginning. And when so he was working prevailing wage for union ironwork. Now I was told today that those don't mix, so I'm not really sure the legality of the whole thing, whether it was union or not. But I did get he was making like 16,000 in a month down in Tennessee. So we move from our hometown down there. And when he came back, he was like super bummed because it wasn't gonna be but about 5,000 a month. Right. Yeah. And I was like, work for me. Okay. Don't go back to work and work for me. Film something with me every other day, every once a week, all the things. And everything was great in the beginning. Yeah. We really had a great thing going. I would go live for eight hours in the garage in front of my like umpteens. I'm talking almost 10 phones. Unbelievable. I would go live.

SPEAKER_00 54:42

But why so many phones? Because you go live on different things.

SPEAKER_02 54:45

Each platform you are running, you're guaranteed someone's gonna gift you on each one. Oh my god, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

So that's another question. Like TikTok. Okay, how do you monetize that? When you're in that room, because we go live like with the radio.

SPEAKER_03 55:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

We have a producer that goes live on his show every day. He'll be on air, but he'll also be on TikTok live. Okay. And he has his everyday people that come in, the same people love to come and watch them. They'll do stuff. So yeah, like I'll sit there too to try to like boost it and I'll just continue so and then I'll get my son on his iPad and we just tap tap tap tape.

SPEAKER_02 55:19

So the taps do nothing. It's the money coming in. Yeah, it helps. It helps. So it helps you too like it. It does help. Yes, yes, yes. It does help. So when you reach 10K likes, you see certain reach a certain amount of likes. Like I'm always like, okay, 10k likes. Every 10k likes, I'll do a 360 and I'll lift the cheek a little. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 55:37

Yeah, see, that's what we do. We'd get it to like 250k likes. Uh-huh. But the gifts, like how much is a gift?

SPEAKER_02 55:43

Okay, so the conversion of it is like one cent equals 12 coins. Oh, okay. It's not a lot.

SPEAKER_00 55:52

An exploding unicorn. It's not a lot. You know, like the weird.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

Can I make a confession if I swear to God I could ever find it? Like I will. Yeah. I had, you know, the cre the little the artist young gravy right now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:06

I think I've heard.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

He gifted me my highest paying gift ever. Which was what? A lion is worth like 360,000 coins and it pays you out$360.

SPEAKER_03 56:17

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_02 56:19

I had no idea who he was.

SPEAKER_03 56:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

And he was like, come down here to Nashville. I got tickets for you for a show. He's like, listen to my music. When I listened to it, I was like, this ain't shit like some Jason Aldean. Right. I ain't going. Right. I ain't going. Not for$360. Now he's bagging some OnlyFans baddie that makes a couple, probably a million dollars a month. Probably. She makes ungodly amounts of money. But she I'm part of the Bop House, but young gravy alone. What's the Bop House? So the Bop House is a house that I don't know if all these girls have paid for it or one of them has bought it, but it's basically a group of girls that does OnlyFans together that lives in a house together in Florida.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

Oh. So it was kind of like the little Playboy thing when they're going to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

I think her name is Camellia.

SPEAKER_03 57:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 57:06

Whoa. It's kind of like the TikTok house they used to have.

SPEAKER_02 57:09

Yes, 100%. But you're doing it. I knew what it was called. And these girls make okay, so uh Sophie Rain, she's part of the Bob House, and she makes like$2.3 million a month.

SPEAKER_03 57:24

Please tell me these people are banking their money.

SPEAKER_02 57:26

I hope so. And she's just got she's a beautiful little beauty, she it's you know, it is it's figure, and she's she's still at the frontal end of this when when you reach 30, you're at the back end of it. You only got about 10 more years before you're gonna be able to capitalize on it.

SPEAKER_03 57:43

Right, because your body changes.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

It does. Your body changes, yeah. And don't get me wrong, people want to see it all day long. There's yeah, 40 to 60 year old creators that are making it. Yeah. But there's a fresh batch of 18-year-olds every year. Well, every day.

SPEAKER_03 58:00

And believe me, I mean in my personal opinion is that I think I mean, guys will watch any woman, right? They will.

SPEAKER_02 58:08

They've hit the lottery once your clothes are off.

SPEAKER_03 58:10

Yeah, but then but then I just think if you have to choose between a 40 or 50-year-old woman and an 18-year-old woman, you're gonna pick the 18-year-old just for the skin alone.

SPEAKER_00 58:20

For the skin alone.

SPEAKER_03 58:21

You are, you know, for the skin alone, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

But you know what? As science evolves and the years go on, like I my mom always used to say, like, stop tanning, you're gonna ruin your skin. I'm like, you know what? It's 2020 at this point. They're gonna have like something coming out where it's like a cream that you just rub on and your wrinkles disappear. And all the time. That's kind of like a nasal spray.

SPEAKER_03 58:42

What? Oh, with peptides or something.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

It's um, I'm pretty sure. I don't know if it's peptides, I think it's melanin.

SPEAKER_00 58:49

Oh, for tanning, you're saying? Okay, okay. So, how much? Who's like the top earning OnlyFans person? Like, how much is it? Sophie Rain.

SPEAKER_03 58:56

It is.

SPEAKER_00 58:57

I don't know what it is, but it's oh yeah, I have heard of her.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

Yeah, it's millions of dollars a year.

SPEAKER_00 59:02

Wow, because didn't she have some beef or her bestie or something or ex-bestie?

SPEAKER_02 59:06

So Camellia, I'm pretty sure in the in the Bob House, I don't know any of this because they don't follow the mainstream. I'm more in the truck scene girls, yeah. Which they're they're more clowns than any absolutely anything. But I have a truck, so I'm kind of like weasled into that, which unfortunately, but I really like to look at much bigger mainstream creators like Trippy Lydia. She's from Las Vegas, she owns an Airbnb in Las Vegas. It's beautiful. Each house, each room is set up like a different thing. She's got all these throne chairs she spent like$2,000 on a piece. Like she's that's influential to me. Now, all these young girls that are building these massive$250,000 trucks off of credit. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 59:54

So that's another thing. Do you think that they're banking in their money? Like, that's what you said. Like, I don't.

SPEAKER_02 59:58

I think they're I really, and if they are, they're investing in a good way. Okay. Lindsay Prokowski started her OnlyFans. Now she's the little long-haired blonde girl that's signing everyone's truck tailgates with her name. Now she owns a diesel company. Oh, cool. Because she invested her money. Yeah. And now she doesn't have to do the OnlyFans. That is it is very smart. It is very, very smart.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:24

You should. Like, call me, I know a guy. Yeah.

unknown 1:00:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:30

Yeah. Cause honestly, so I told my friend the other day they were like uh talking to me, and I said somewhere, somewhere he was like, you know, one of the first things you that you said that stuck out to me was three things that are always gonna sell is sex, cigarettes.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:44

Always, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:45

And what was the other one?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:49

I would say something to do with funeral homes or something, because everybody's always gonna die. Yeah, it's always gonna be a mess. But sex always sells. We know that. Cigarettes, yeah. Cigarettes, which that that surprises me, but we know from Candy that there's a whole thing is she's a dominatrix, an online dominatrix, and she's a smoker, and everything's with the black lights and everything. Somebody needs to come and get this dog.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:13

Oh, okay. Speaking of that, we actually might still have the cookies.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:18

Treats. Oh, that's okay. Listen, she's over here getting crackers and cheese from me. What were you gonna say, Kat?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:23

I was gonna say, speaking of like the smoking kink and all that, like, do you have a specific niche that you think sells more than others? Like, what what's like let's talk about your request? Okay, what are some of the requests you get? What's like some of the crazy ones? What's a normal one? What might be request for you?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:40

Common request is do you have videos with two men? Oh, what? Oh, like you in two minutes, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:48

And I don't well, because every guy, I mean, that's what they watch in porn. They want to see her.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:54

Most most people I feel want to watch girls. Because most people, most men, like like my la my recent. I'm just gonna call my recent. Yeah, fine. He could not keep it hard if he knew a man was watching.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:08

It had to be a female. Okay, and and look, that happens. Every guy has their own.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:13

He couldn't keep it hard if he what? If he knew a man was watching you and him, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

He wanted he got aroused from watching from knowing a female was watching.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:23

But wait, could he stay aroused if it was just you and him? Yes, okay, got that. Just wanted to make sure. I'm like, did you have to have a woman there every time?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:33

Did you and him do like group things like with other girls and stuff like that?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:39

Yeah, and there was a boundary for me. Like at first, I felt some type of way about it because I I didn't feel like I was enough or like why why am I not enough? But then I'm like, okay, all in good fun. And it was an explanation of I need you to understand that this isn't business. I come home to you, I love you. To to to me, that's just sex. But when you watch that said eye contact happen directly in front of you, you check all the way out instantly. And I don't care what girl tells you, it's fun, we love it, but there's something in you that doesn't. Yeah, I agree. Especially if you have an uphold uh a traditional lifestyle. Like I have two grandpa, one was a coal miner, one worked on the railroad. Yeah. You know, they were very, very traditional. So for me, you just you can't handle the truth. Yeah, you don't want to be truthful with yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:35

Well, and I was always told you're you're not ever supposed to have a threesome with somebody that you love because of that specific reason right there. You know, you you can do it with somebody like when you're young and wild and all that, like that doesn't mean anything to you, but like yeah, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:51

If you do it with someone you love, like you better be both of you better be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:55

Well, and it's like if you don't show me more energy than you do her, which is gonna be hard for you because you're used to me. The reason we're doing this is because you're low-key, a little bit bored, you're just afraid to say it. Yeah. Which is okay. You can you can table that without telling me.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:10

But he was doing it for content too.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:12

For content, for sure. For and there were a couple times, like we had a good friend of ours that no longer does it because her family's like very into the police academy and all things. I don't yeah, that that was very open. Now I have certain rules, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:27

Like you can't well here, I'll give you my rules.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:32

Okay. Like no kissing.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:33

Right. My thing is no kissing. Like that is mine.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:36

That's a good rule, and I never thought about that and didn't care.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:39

No fucking kissing. And that's way too intimate.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:41

Yeah, way too intimate. It is very intimate.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:43

And no going down on her. Like you can go down on her.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:45

Okay, I've never thought about those. My one and only rule was you finish with me.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:50

Oh, okay. Well, of course that makes sense too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:53

If you finish with her, I you I will leave.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:56

Yeah. Well, and not like like look, from a threesome perspective, I mean, I I think there are absolutely rules that you have to have as a couple, right? Now, I've had threesomes before him that were just, you know, who gave a fuck kind of thing. Like, let's do two girls and a guy and let's just do it. But that person meant nothing to me at all. Now, with him, it's a little bit different because, you know, there's a long-term relationship there. And so I I went ahead and, you know, I can get the threesomes. That's not an issue at all with hot girls. But when we talked about it, because he and I will say this about him, he's a super great communicator.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:39

So, and he said some of the same things your guy did, but I think because he's older, he said it better. Correct. And so he said, Look, look at these, like I'm sorry, Jolene's acting up because we're beating up.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:51

My little girl, my little girl's the same way. She my little girl just boopsy with her nose. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

And so, you know, it was like him and I use a lot of sex toys. Right. He's like, just consider this a warm sex toy. This person means nothing to me. I'm there with you. I'm leaving with you. And then he's like, you know, tell me what you want. And I'm like, I laid out my I knew what my rules were. Like, I love French kissing. I love kissing. You go nowhere near her fucking mouth. And I mean that. Like she can suck your dick. I don't care about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:22

I have another good friend. I won't disclose her name in case she listens.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:26

She is big on that. Like they they are very open. And she's reached now where like her little her drive is not nearly there. Yeah. And she's totally okay with letting him experience things while she's not there. Okay. I'm not okay with that. And I would, I would literally, I I praise her, I commend her, and I honor her because I would set y'all's house on fire once y'all. And it's guaranteed. We could and gladly do the business. So I'm like, okay. But I but I was thinking because it he was very open, very honest with me about it. But what the the delivery of not telling me about it until after this female was already comfortable having dinner with us, which already meant she'd you'd leave her naked. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:11

So like you're bringing you along for just the final seal of the deal.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:14

100%. Like convince her I can make you how much money. Like, I'm not gonna do that for you. Do it yourself.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:19

Yeah, exactly. Do yourself. But and another thing I will say with my partner was that, and we've done it, done it like two or three times, but is that he's very, very good about like when we leave, we come back to my house, we take a shower together. Actually, this is even better. He held my hand all the way through my house, turned on the shower, washed me from head to toe, like my head washed my hair, put conditioner in my hair, washed my body. And yet it was so loving. Like the love that was pouring out of him to me was amazing. And then he got a towel and he dried me off. And then we went and laid down in bed, and he just held me. Like, and what did he was like, Do you want to talk about anything?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:02

And I'm like, And those are the ones. Those are the ones.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:05

And here's the thing I loved about him more than anything is that he said, We have to recenter us after this. Like, that's a thing. Let's recently. Yeah. And so, look, I'm like, okay, I'm good with this. I'm good with this. We can do it a couple more times. But it's so funny because now he doesn't even care. He's like, Nah, I'm good. I think it was because he had never had a threesome before. Jolene, simmer down. Oh, in trouble. Can you hear her, cat? Can you hear her? Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:31

Oh, well, no, I think I hear the neighbor's dog outside.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:34

Oh, no, that's our dog here crying.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:36

I can't hear your dog. I can hear theirs.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:38

Okay, good.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:39

That one it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:40

Okay, so we're just gonna ignore her.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:42

Okay. I'm pretty good at my little girl, I'm pretty good at tuning in mouth.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:46

Okay. But yeah, like for him to do that, I thought, oh, you know, and now here's the funny thing, because he had never had a threesome before, and I've given him a few of them at this point. Now he doesn't care. Like the the you know, the newness has worn off, and he's like, Yeah, I'm not into it anymore. I'm like, cool, I'm I'm down for that.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:02

And maybe because I had put such restrictions on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:05

But you didn't. All you said is you have to come in me or come with me.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:09

Well, and and just come with me. Yeah. It's not like, and part of me, like the first in the in the beginning, it was always someone he had already been with, which made me feel some type of way.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:18

Yeah, that would make me feel that way.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:19

But then it was his birthday, and he was mad at me because I was trying to rebuttal. He wanted some girl to come over. Her name was Jess, she was super cute, super hot, little blonde. She came over and she was like, Look, I'm like, listen, I'm really unsettled about this. Yeah. Kyle has pushed this on me in a way that is not comfortable. But if you're down to do it like I am too, just know that this isn't what I want. And as long as you and your loyalty lies with me, then maybe we'll have you over again. And she was like, I just want you to let you know, you know, I've had another threesome with Kyle and the girl that he brought to my house, I actually ate a piece of plastic out of her pussy. What? What? I swear to God, on my unborn children. That's what she told me. I don't know what the hell it was. I don't know, but when I said that, I was like, okay, well, today's his birthday, and I'm on my period, so I'm not gonna be able to play with you as much as I would like to. So how do you feel about that? She's like, we're just gonna suck his dick and that's it. Oh, good for you. We sucked his dick and he and we left.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:16

Yeah, she left. She left. And was he happy with that or not? Not really. No, because he wanted the full experience.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:21

Because he wanted the full experience and didn't get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:23

So does like when you guys do even just your normal sex, do you guys do like anal everything?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:29

Anal's a little rough.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:30

Yeah, we're tiny.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:32

We we do all the things. Okay, but does he do that with the threesome too?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:36

No, no, is that one of your rules?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:38

Well, not really one of my rules, but he knows better than across the line that's gonna make me mad. I think because he like I so when what when I would explain the things that I did with my high school sweetheart, this is this was his response. You gave that fuckhead the crumb or the cake, and I get the crumbs. Oh my first of all, his ass would have been out the door right then and there. And I'm like, okay, what else do you want? Yeah. What do you want me to do? So, okay, yeah, you want all the things that I'll give this man, sure. Yeah. But as soon as my opinion changes on you, you barked up the wrong tree, and I told you prior to you doing it. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:14

I mean, that sucks. Seriously. Like to me, he's a good thing. But that sounds like a fucking asshole.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:19

Love him hard. And he is an arrogant prick. His literal mom has been telling me for two years to leave him, his literal older brother has been telling me for two years to leave him. His two, his, his youngest brother and his oldest sister are the only ones that have never uttered those words to my mouth. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:35

So and like you are such a beautiful soul. Truly, you are. Like everything inside me. He knows that.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:40

And he knows that like who I am today, yeah, I changed for him. Yeah. And I told him, like, he picked me up from the house that I was permitted to leave to after prison. Yeah. And was that was a crazy situation. I don't know how I ended up there. But he picked me up and we went and got a bocce, and I wouldn't need a single bit of it. My hands were soaking wet. You could literally see the wetness on my fingers. And he was like, Why are you so nervous? And I'm like, because I've prayed for this. For this. I don't know what I like. You really showed me the braces of what it was supposed to be like to love someone that cared about me enough to not want me to put myself in harm's way or do bad to me. And I just owe you so much. So let me prove that to you. Yeah. Let me give myself to you today. And he did allow me to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:28

Did you guys talk while you were in prison? No. No, like you didn't talk for two years.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:33

Didn't talk for two years. Almost three. Didn't wow. Didn't talk for a while.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:36

Well, you spent the day you got out, right? Was in your DM?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:40

I was like looking through my message requests. He had sent me a photo of me and him at the Chilli Coffee Fair, and he said, Man, we were fucking hot. What happened?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:50

You but like how long ago? Was that sometime while you were in prison, or was it more recently? No, he got out.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:55

He knew when I got out because his friend, so apparently he told his friend that I had gotten out. He told his friend that had a truck and all the things, which she he ended up marrying one of my good friends that ended up telling me this conversation that Kyle had told him that he was so excited to try with me again and all the things. And Kyle was still on some fuck boy energy when I first got home. So we were all the things I'd gone out there, I'd like given myself to him and all the shit, and what didn't want to give myself to anyone else but him. And I didn't care if it went the way I wanted it to go. The least I could say was I did the work I did and come home and gave the person that you needed prior to me leaving for prison. Yeah. Here you are. Wow. Yeah. This is this is this is the person you wanted before. Here she is. If take it or leave it. Except you were a better person. I was such a better person. And I knew what he wanted me to do to be good to him, and I did that ten, ten, hundred hundred and tenfold. Yeah. And he honored that. He loved me very hard for that, but couldn't say couldn't say it. Couldn't say it.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:56

Interesting. Just curiosity, right? Like how much time do you guys spend, or you even, you and him, whomever, right? You and your other people with scenes. How much time do you guys spend creating content each week?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:10

Okay, so in the beginning, when he first started working for me, he would come home from work working in Tennessee, worked maybe 25 minutes from our our apartment. And every now and then, if he wasn't too tired, we would film a video. And I my best month on OnlyFans by myself was 12.7.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:30

What you mean 12,700? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:32

That's what I made by myself, running all my own stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:35

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:36

He more than doubled my income working for me the first month. Holy shit. Wow. Because he knows what they want to say, and I allowed my love for him to get in the way of how to respond.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:45

Yeah. But you know, he's a guy. He's gonna want to know what guys want to see.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:50

Oh, you like that? Well, how about this? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:53

He was really good at it. And by the way, I think I because if he's the only guy you've videoed with, then I've clearly seen his dick. And he's actually built very well too. He's very well in doubt.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:02

Very well in doubt. He knows how to use it. Yeah. For sure. And he knows he's fucking handsome. Let me tell you. But homeboy, I'm I'm I'm growing and you are balding.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:13

Well, maybe he's growing too. He's just balding, though. Like maybe he's just gaining a little weight.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:18

I love him in all his baldness all the way. Or did, you know. But now I'm like, I went to his house the other day and was like, I threw the ball aggressively back in his court. So I'm like, I don't, I don't give up on the people I love and I don't, I definitely don't walk away from them. I'll give you chance after chance after chance after chance. But your lustful, lustful behavior is will take you. Yeah. It will walk you slowly to your grave.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:42

Yeah. And that's okay. So at the peak of your like at the peak, and it might even be right now. I don't know, maybe not without him, but it's like how how much are you creating content? Is it like 40 hours? Yeah. Right now? None. None? Okay. In the past 30 days, none.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:58

Okay. So when Because you just lived and stuff you said. I've just moved. I've just settled into my own little home. And also it's very hard to find attractive men that you're like, film this with me. Because they're like, oh yeah, I'd love to work another day in my life. I'm like, okay, well, that's not what it's gonna be. You're never gonna jump on my page and make Kyle. He set the bar very high. Yeah. But he also sits on a pedestal very high still. Well, that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:25

You know what? I will say this. He is super hot.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:28

He's very handsome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:28

And he knows that. Don't see the ego anymore. Wait, are you guys still having sex? Oh no.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:34

No? No. Okay. How long has it been since you had sex with him?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:38

Since last year.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:39

What? Oh, okay. I'm sorry. We just changed. Yeah, we just changed years. Because I wouldn't believe that. I'd be like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:47

But you're still trying to be friends with him?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:50

So I talked to him a little bit about all the things, and I was basically like, what are we doing? Like, I love you. Like, I obviously, but in my mind, it was he was like, Yeah, well, you're gonna move your things back in here, and three weeks later, everything's gonna be back exactly the same. I'm like, I'm not moving my shit back in here. If you think I'm moving my stuff back into this house, yeah, you you think that you offering this three-bedroom, 1200-foot bardo is is what's keeping me here. You think that your good dick is what's keeping me here. Yeah. The fact that you I don't I love you, Ellie, is what's making me leave.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:25

Yeah. The not saying it.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:26

I have to hear that.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:27

I'm big on my love languages, words of affirmation, acts of kindness, and gift giving. Yeah. And and gift giving is a big thing for me because he's made it that way. Right. His money is his money, and it always has been. And his mom taught him that since he was a fucking toddler. Wow. He would save the money she would give him for lunch and buy PlayStation games while all the other siblings wondered if mom was actually catering to him more or not. Holy shit. So she created that monster. Yeah, I get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:57

I wish honestly, I wish my mom and dad would have taught me that though, like that my money is my money, but I'm a giver. I will give my money.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:03

Right. And if you would not be a giver today if your parents had taught you to save your money like that, you'd be greedy. Yeah, agreed. And I am greedy now.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:11

You know what? We need to be greedy with our own money.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:13

Because right, but it's caused conflict. Like you taught me to be greedy because when I first moved in with you, you paid made me pay my way when I was assistant training to be a GM at McDonald's, making$2170 an hour. You were still making me pay my way when I really wasn't making what you were making.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:28

Right, not even close. Not not even close.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:30

You need ironwork. He didn't make me split it. Okay. He made me pay$500, and then his brother also lived with us. So his brother paid$500, but your mortgage was only$1,700. But he was making bags.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:43

You weren't doing the OnlyFans thing, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:46

And we were a little bit not sharing it. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:49

I do feel though, kind of like not to defend him, but I feel like it was kind of teaching you responsibility to have. Absolutely, it was. And I kind of can respect that.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:00

Because I would not have$150,000 in my savings account if it weren't for him. Right. Because he taught me the value behind saving. He taught me the value behind having an amazing group of friends that don't use. He taught me the value behind setting boundaries with my fucking parents.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:18

He taught me how to live and lead a healthy, happy lifestyle without substance.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:25

Do you do you feel like because and I I don't know if this is you you seem to do like you said, you guys were in a long relationship. That was like your love. You went back to him, you prayed, he changed you for the better. He's taught you all these things, like, and you love him. But you said that you just you guys basically kind of broke up what like two months ago, I think you said it was December 1st. I rented my house.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:52

And okay. The first two weeks I was so back and forth. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:56

You just seem like maybe you are like are good at putting on a front, but like you just seem like you're doing so well, like emotionally. I would say the opposite.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:07

I'm not. And here hear me out. Like the moment I'm not with my the most okay, solitude is the key. The moment I'm by myself, I'm like, who can I call? Right. What can you do? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:20

Well, do you feel like too that because of everything that he had given you, not like materialized things, but just like making you a better person, all that, do you feel? I don't want to say a trauma bond, but do you feel like is that what it's a trauma bond? It's a tra it's a trauma. Like you need to be like, okay, we are done. I'm moving on. Because you don't need him. You're successful. No, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:45

It's just I love his tender side. But my first high school sweetheart, when we went places, people had to guess until it was time to throw some hands that we were together. Kyle would lead me with the most alpha energy that I'm you do not open your door for yourself. You follow me in. Yeah. People will know that you are with me.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:06

Okay. God, I love that. Listen, I but do you feel like are you hanging on to the other? I'm in Kyle right now.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:12

No, but I just feel like it's no, he's greedy. I feel like he is very greedy.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:18

You haven't been in a lot of relationships and stuff. I mean, he could be your one, but like you just said you would never go back and you would never take him back. Like you can still love him and stuff, but you what I'm asking, I guess, is are you do you feel like it's holding you back from like moving on and like being happy and creating more content?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:39

Uh just because right now is it kind of a comfort thing for you?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:42

Right, right now I have a really hard time because when I do go to explain this to other men that have way more to offer, okay. And I'm not trying to make him feel lesser, him feel better, all the things. But when that comment was made to me, how do you think it would make you feel if you did what you do for a living, but the person that you did it with also had their own money to bring to the table? At one point, Kyle did, and we could have done it while he did his OnlyFans or my my OnlyFans stuff and his ironwork stuff. Right. And it wouldn't have created such an animosity between the two of us. We just couldn't balance it.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:17

Yeah, because you became business partners.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:18

And he did apologize to me, which he does not do. And I literally walked on my knees over to him and hugged him. He did not hug me back, and I apologized profusely because I was like, I I'm sorry, but thank you for saying sorry. Yeah that you were half the reason we failed our relationship because we indulged in other women. Yeah. Because it never ends good. No, it never ends good. And those big creators that are like, yeah, come fuck my man with me.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:45

Like, girl. Wait, do they actually say that? They do. You're the only you're the only only fans person that I'm subscribed to.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:53

So I mean, not business out there, but any NMLF has put tweets out there like, who's gonna come fuck my man with me this weekend? No, like that ain't me.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:04

That takes a special kind, and it doesn't matter how good you're you guys could have great communication in your relationship, but bringing in a third person, I it rarely ends well. But I feel it's never in any situation. The only person that is successful in doing that, I would say, is Candy. Her and her man.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:21

They're in love for sure. Our dominatrix and her husband, Kurt Curtis.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:26

They are the only, and they are just they're special one of kind.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:30

They are the way he looks at her, but you can tell. Yeah, you can tell. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:35

Big on a look.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:37

And I feel like when I look at Kyle, I look at him like he like I literally see through him in the purest way possible, the most submissive way possible, because I would let this man do whatever he fucking wanted to me. Clearly, because I've let him fuck other people right in front of me. And I don't care because I'm not an indulgent. Yeah. I'm here for all the things. Like, yeah, we're gonna make her squirt on our bed and regret it because it's awful. Yeah. Uh yeah, but it looked great, looked great, and we're gonna make tons of money off the video. But for me, it felt like when we were doing all the things, it was so that I could watch him dominate, not together us as a team dominate, right? Or together them as a team dominate me.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:23

You know what I mean? So there's gotta be a fucking major conversation about dynamics and how that's gonna work. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:28

Pull that microphone just a little bit closer to you.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:30

I have recently spoke to a man that told me that he owns like 36, it's his net worth 36 million dollar excavating company, and he told me if you ever asked me to fuck another woman with you, I would ask you to pack your boot bags and leave.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:50

You know, the question is, would he really? How old how how old is he? I mean, to get 39. Okay, so he's not old. Not old, older than me. Yeah. Okay. Listen, there are some men that really no, and and I will tell you, like, there are some men that are just not into it. It's a great fantasy, it's not something that's like.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:12

It leaves the door open.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:13

It leaves the door open for you to feel that things are unfair.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:18

Yeah. How is it fair that you, even though you pay, you may, you may that pay pay that person X amount of dollars to talk to these people for you? Right. Would listen, and it became to a point where I didn't want to do the video chats.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:29

Wait, talk to us about that because I don't even know what video chats are.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:32

So I charge$250 for five-minute video chat.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:36

I'll play with my dildo or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:38

Do all the things. Whatever you want me to do, I'll do it. Yeah. Anals more and all the things, but like uh$250 for video chat. People pay it all day long. You're making it all day long. All day long. It's based on your time.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:52

Do you get like a heads up before of what they want? Can they put like yeah, like so I usually call you like, okay, what do you want?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:59

Well, some of them will be like, Hey, you ready right now? And I'm like, hey, ah I'm like eating it, roosters, give me 25 minutes. Yeah, my dog has to go out. I gotta also let my dog out, yeah. Or you'll be like, Yeah, let's schedule it.

unknown 1:26:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:13

Like, I have someone that pays me$550 for a 30-minute video call. And most of the time I don't get on there and do nothing, right? But slap my boobs. Yeah. Slap them as hard as I can. What? What are some other weird requests you like? Okay, one of the weirdest requests, okay. One of the weirdest and my most favorite, because when I told my mom this, she laughed. She even told my pop up, and my popel said, Oh my god. Could you imagine if it would have been this easy for girls when I was younger, Sherry? Yes, my mom's name. Oh my god, oh my goodness. He brought a Danish from a ghost grocery store and asked me if I could watch him for$750 to to to get down with it. Like fuck the get Danies? Yes. Okay, that's fucking weird. What? Okay, so I watch him and then he's like, oh my god, my wife's on her way home. We gotta make this super quick. Can I run down and get another one and warm it up? And I'm like, yeah, for another$750. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:15

I said, yeah,$1,500. I'll watch you do that. Yeah. So wait, he gets a day, like is it a long John? What is it? Like what kind of Danish? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:22

I don't know. It's like them the little pies that have the cuts on top. But how big is a pie? It's like a Google picture.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:30

It's like a pocket pie.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:31

Oh, so is it like the little smucker's pies or whatever? Yes. Okay, go. Just like those. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:36

I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:37

You know, yeah, you do. They have the encrustables or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:41

It's basically like an encrustable, but it's popped. But it's pie.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:45

Which is funny because you know there's a scene in one of the movies. I think it's called, I don't even remember what it's called. Maybe American pie, but where this kid fucks the pie.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:56

So that's American pie.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:58

It was an American pie? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:59

I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:00

I don't know. No, you're right. So, at any rate, with that said, so he paid you$1,500. Now, did he ever come back? Because I would do it all day long. I'd be like, Yeah, I'll fucking watch it.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:09

And then so what sucks about it is I will I get banned a lot. Wait, promoting? Snapchat.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:17

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:18

And that's where that guy came from. So one of the craziest requests I've ever had was the Danish thing. Um, and then I think it was the next request was to make to pay me a thousand dollars to do all the things and ejaculate into the Danish and eat it. Hold up. He ate it. He wanted me to. This is the same guy? Yeah, and then I I got my my Cash App or my Snapchat band.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:43

Wait a minute. Let's back up on this for a minute. You guys aren't in the same room.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:48

No, right? It's uh he's filming on his Snapchat. Yeah, and I'm watching from mine.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:54

And he's gonna fuck the thing, whatever it's called, and like the the Danish. Yeah. What's that?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:00

Wait, he's just sending you videos of this on Snapchat. You're not live on Snapchat? No.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:06

Oh, okay. Oh my god. I mean, this is fucking easy money. We're doing this, Kat. Yeah, we have to find this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:13

She needs a job. Like, I've heard of like rent a friend and things like that from my sister. Like, she's got paid, like, okay, got$450 to go eat beans and have a beer with this guy, like at a Mexican restaurant or something. I'm like, wait, what?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:28

Seeking arrangements is huge. Yes. What? On in in Columbus. Oh my god. But you have to be really careful because that is the number one sex trafficking sex worker platform there is right now.

unknown 1:29:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:42

Seeking arrangements.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:43

Yeah, because that's an actual meet in person you're allowed.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:46

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:47

Yeah. So wow. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:49

So like I he's sending videos back and forth.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:52

Uh-huh. And he waited so he came in this Danish.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:56

He does two Danishes the one time.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:58

And then he comes back again. And wants to watch, wants to pay me to watch him come in the Danish and eat it.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:05

And then he's going to eat it.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:06

And then I got my Snapchat banned, so I could never I never got to see that or make the money off of that. But that's how it works. And to each their own. And when you put yourself out there like that, like if you want something specific, I'm not willing to do and you get shitty because I say no, then you can report me and read it.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:22

Right. Yeah. And you know that's exactly what happened to him.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:24

That is exactly what happened.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:25

Yeah, he got his he got his little endorphin release, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:28

Well, I how do you go on snap? You so what I do is I'll post a video a photo of myself and I'll say, ask me about the second story. Your second story is a locked story. They swipe pipe and they're like, what is it? I'm like, it's a nude story. How much? Some of them don't want to pay for it, some of them do. So then you offer all the pay apps that you're willing to use. And then I have four total. Because the longer and the older they are, the less likely they are to get banned. So I currently pay for five, six lines of phones on my current plan because I get banned. But I paid for all new so that every single phone that I have has a Snapchat. So that if something happens or I want to run it differently, or I got a big spender that's spending like three thousand dollars in a couple days, he gets his own Snapchat so that there's ever no ever risk of me losing him or him losing my content. Very cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:33

That's wild. So you have multiple accounts then. Uh-huh. Got it. I have that's a smart smart business.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:40

And I had to learn this the hard way because of fucking TikTok. TikTok was rough.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:44

I was gonna ask you that the other day. I saw like in a background of your photos. You have you had all these phones on the table.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:51

I was like, Oh, you're putting the damn shelf together. Damn it.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:55

Probably.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:55

So you said you have six different ones. So yes, and I actually have 12 phones total, but only six of them have running service, like phone lines, yeah. But bandwidth, if you're not running multiple, say Starlink is great. Elon Musk is Starlink's amazing. He's the best alien we've ever had hit the earth. Yeah, not really. I I think he's normal. I love Elon. IQ is between Marilyn Monroe and Albert Einstein. I think he's above them all. Like truly, he's a great person. I think people need to chill. Um, but his Starlink, so if you have that, but when you're streaming on TikTok and you're streaming COD or Warcraft, and then I'm also streaming OnlyFans, it the bandwidth doesn't. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:43

It'll well, it'll prioritize which one it wants. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:46

I mean so when you're you're basically overloading the bandwidth, but you're also having to consider that TikTok will flag you based on how so you are allowed eight TikToks per cell phone. So I oh I currently run, I have six phones, that's 48, right? I don't have quite eight on each one, but I run 30 plus TikToks a day.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:12

My God, I don't know how you keep up with it. I swear to God.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:15

It's real quick, and if you're in an Airbnb, you can just like draft four or five video videos, and it will geotag you there because that's where you were formed at when you filmed the video. Geotag is very important because say I make a video here and I'm geotagging everyone around me, even if they don't really follow you, your phones are gonna pick up on that. So that person's gonna see it, this person's gonna see it, someone in Hilliard will see it, Newark will see it, Baltimore will see it, but then if you're in Georgia and you geotaging, all those people get you're in Arizona, all those people get it. Um, only when you're in different countries and certain things aren't permitted does that become an issue.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:59

So where do you film? Like if like when you guys were and I know you haven't done so in a month or so, but like when you were doing videos, like where did you video?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:08

Any Airbnb. Airbnbs are the best place you invest in yourself, your people are gonna invest in you more because they realize that your lifestyle requires the kind of money they have to give to keep it going.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:19

Wait, so you you guys, even if you were here in Columbus, you guys would get an Airbnb.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:24

Not quite because Kyle's Airbnb was outfitted with all of my belongings. I had a very western chic. Oh uh, so our house really looked like an Airbnb.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:33

Okay, good.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:34

I didn't have to do a whole lot, right? But I have little outside girlfriends that like networking is huge for me, and I'm all about it. And to, if you're a good solid human and I'm a very good judge of character when it comes to energy, if you're not, I'll shit can you quick. If you don't prioritize me like I do you, yeah, no matter the age gap, I'll shit can you quick. And a lot of girls have realized that quickly. But the ones that do, like Aaron and my good friend, my good friend third gen Barbie, she's the sweetest soul I've ever met in my life. And and no matter what I'm doing or what I'm going through, she's happily married and she's very honest about it. And she is just like, baby, whatever makes you happy, like you, you do you. But there are certain things where you have to understand that authenticity will get you further than mocking and or anything else. So and one thing you cannot copy is on this authenticity. True.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:30

So, okay, speaking on that, then how do you come up with fresh ideas to like keep your content exciting for you know, yeah long-term subscribers, new ones?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:39

Like okay, so a lot of times anything blue-collar men, because that's one thing the world is always gonna need.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:46

Sorry, don't be keep going.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:49

One thing the world is going to need is blue-collar men. And then if you talk about, and one thing that's really getting me going, and I just keep using it, is if you don't quit liking my post, I'm gonna have to come over there and drag this cat across your face.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:01

I saw my by the way, I saw you posted that, and it was so cute. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:05

So the you've been warned has really boosted that. Yeah. Because they're like, oh, warn me again, do it again. And I'm like, God darn it.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:15

Like that's funny. Did how long from the time you started posting on OnlyFans did you guys go from? I mean, did he get involved, right? Like on video. Okay. And then how long after that did you do threesomes with girls or whatever it was?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:31

So almost instantly. Oh, oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:34

Okay, so there was not a lead up time.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:36

Like three or four months by myself, all the OnlyFans stuff. But he was go ahead, so open to that. He would he was so open to wanting to learn and wanting to know, and very ruined down and knew that. Yeah. Okay, he knew what he uh brought to the table. Okay. And with no additive or help, like he was a very horny guy until he wasn't because we did, we just we did it too much.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:03

Yeah, because it it was the business that I mean, he's sitting there going or making money off of it, and where does so that actually leads to that question? How much did that impact your personal life with him, like your relationship, the sex, everything?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:18

It made me so there was one time where he said he would make money jokes, and I would just like and there was one point where he made a money joke at a Thanksgiving dinner with his whole family, and I was like, not rude, not rude, but to the point where it made him feel some type of way, and I was like, do not then. Yeah, don't you've been worn more than once. Do not make a funny joke that I've either paid for something or bought for something, or that you have, and it's been me. Don't do that because I will check you. Yeah, because you deserve that.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:55

Does his family know what you do and everything?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:57

They do. His sister is very, very modest and conservative, did not like what we did in the beginning. So Kyle and I Kyle and I lost a baby two years ago in November. His sister was extremely excited, and I felt like it was because she thought that that was gonna get us away from our line of work. Yeah, and it may very well have, could have. And as soon as, like his sister and his mother were very honest about he wasn't the one for me. Wow, his dad was very estranged in his life and he never knew him, died when he was a little bit younger, middle school, maybe. He didn't go to his funeral, his mom didn't ask him to, and I feel like that is a little bit of his trauma. Now I can't decipher it or understand it, right? But I do believe that that might have been.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:48

Just because your your biological father, and she begged me not to say that to anybody, but yeah, he's not here, so yeah, he's not. His biological father was the same way. Oh, was never satisfied with one woman. So interesting. It's it's like, yeah, you know, blood runs deep, and so do genetics. Absolutely, they do.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:07

Where do you find, like, are the other people that are in your videos, like if you were to do girl, girl, or a guy and a girl, whatever, the people that you join with? Obviously, you collaborate with other content creators, but are they not all creators that you're working with, right? Are they some are just are they friends, or where do you find these people?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:27

Uh so so there's been only other only fans females and Kyle, my partner. He has been the only other person on there. But there are tons of networking platforms. They're platforms you can get on on TikTok, Twitter, Instagram. Reddit is a big one. I have no idea how to use that. It's really hard. It's really hard. I just learned, I love it. A lot of females do, and a lot of females think that that's where the revenue comes from. Reddit, really. Yeah, yeah, I've heard that too. Time learning. Like I had this good friend, Brooke, that is no longer in the mix, and she got most of her people through cosplay outfits and Reddit.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:08

Yeah. So did like when you like when you found these girls, these other OnlyFans, did you, girls, did you know them or did you like how did you initiate that conversation? And like how did you I mean, how do you vet them, right? Like what do you tell what do you say to them?

SPEAKER_02 1:40:27

Okay, so there's a huge marketing I want to call it a channel, but you have to put your microphone back up. Each channel is in a different place. Like you have admins of these channels. Okay, so channels of OnlyFans? On Instagram. Oh, on Instagram. Okay. Huge networking channels. Okay. Now they're also Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, but you can't really do that on OnlyFans because we require like tags and things like that. So what you do is like, hey, do you want to do a shout out? Which is basically me, you, me giving you a bio and a photo, you posting it to your feed and tagging me, and then me doing the same. Uh and then On OnlyFans. Yes, yes, on OnlyFans, and then that generating. Now, some of us have two pages. I have a free page and I have a paid page. Okay. I I I built myself a two-year goal, and I told myself within two years, I would not shout anybody else out on my pay or my free page if they did not have 10,000 or more followers or more because I had gained 10,000 followers or more. Yeah. Now I'm at 42.7 and I don't do that at all. Okay, good for you. You know what? You don't have to. I don't have to because my TikTok generates about a hundred people a day.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:48

Okay. Very cool. Wow. Yeah. Now, when you would video those scenes, right? Were they were they just authentic or were they scripted? Like did you get it?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:59

100% authentic. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:00

I was asked that today.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:01

Did you come on purpose for the film? Sometimes.

unknown 1:42:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:06

Sometimes you got to. Because sometimes you don't want to put your damn partner in that mess. Well, and you holding the damn camera for 25 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:12

Right. Angles, everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:14

I can't really do that because I gotta hold you here to feel it good. And it's like, yeah. Uh but then you think about all these ways: a chest mount, a little 360 camera. Right. You think about the DGI, the Osmos 3. You think about a little head. If you guys do not have that and you shoot any kind of content, that's a must-need. What is it? A little headlamp? The Osmo 3 is absolutely amazing. It's a real life gimbal without all the bulk. Wow. It's great. It's great. And it's good. So we bought like headlamp and they had a GoPro. Yeah. We bought a$5,000 camera, which I can't say we. I was encouraged to buy, so that's why I say we. But I afforded all of this. Yeah. He put up like about$45,000 into his truck.

unknown 1:43:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:03

And I think that's why a five grand camera. Oh, they're they're out there. The Sony A73s are pretty expensive. But it was like it was that much because I also got a lens with it, which they're everybody's$600 plus dollars. Yep. So that was great. And I love my camera. I love my camera, but I love my camera in the respect of I bought it for my partner to maintain more of that 35% that he was earning.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:27

Right. Yeah. That's okay. You'll you will get that other person.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:31

Well, and I have so many. Right now you get 100%. Yeah. 100%. Because now that I'm single, I can take my top off in front of all these photographers and not feel no remorse.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:39

Right, exactly. Yeah. And I was also thinking, like, I mean, the the at least the videos you've been posting, like of you walking away with your ass hanging out out of the short shorts, that is one of my favorite videos. I don't even know why. Like it shows nothing, but it shows everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:53

I think you sent that to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:54

Yeah. Today I had this man reach out to me and was like, You should come take a video with my excavator. Yeah. And I like, shut the fuck up. No, you shouldn't.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:06

You lie. Are you? I have a friend that has an excavator. Excavat. I can't even say it that you could go and take photos with. I mean, that's a Cadillac of new house. We got places. Yeah, there's plenty of opportunities. Yeah. Yeah. It's all about pay you to come there, then like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:23

Yeah, but you're not going alone. That cannot happen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:26

Not going alone. I'm like, okay, maybe maybe we we could maybe do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:30

Yeah. How do you mentally prepare yourself for a shoot? Shoots are easy. Are they? I mean, even the videos, like when you're doing videos, I like to- I don't do videos.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:39

Normally, like we'll rent a studio, me and my girlfriend roll rent studios for four hours, three hours we shoot because it's really hard to share time. And then the last hour we will film a couple videos. Now it really depends on who you're working with, because if that girl is insecure and not sure and God, we're overthinking the entire situation. It might take a whole hour to film a video. Yeah. But if you're working with someone that's really, really, really good and you just bust them out, you can make four videos in an hour.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:05

Yep. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:07

Especially if you're crunched for time and you got to be checked out by you get up at eight, you got to be checked out by 11. You're pumping out six videos within a matter of time because you have to.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:16

Right. Like, are those videos are those studios in Columbus?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:20

Where are they? So mo I travel mostly to be a beast, Airbnbs. And then you kind of have to message them and ask if they allow commercial photography, things like that. Because if you're allowing some man to come in with a photography gear or a big light, yeah. You're not allowed to do that here. They can leave you a bad review and then that can get your stuff heated. Oh shit. So that has happened to me before.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:41

Wow. I didn't even know that was a thing. Did you, Kat? Quit quit quit quit videoing. Quit videoing shit in the Airbnbs, is what I'm gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:50

You're supposed to ask, and a lot of them have it listed if they'll allow it or not.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:55

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:55

Yeah, I've heard of like, you know, people renting out their homes for stuff. Like my company has gone and rented out houses to do our videos and commercial shoots and stuff in. We we didn't uh like get paid for it. We had our friend, she came and used our home to do her music video and stuff. Obviously, OnlyFans videos or pornographic people might feel some type of way. Yeah. But I feel like people do that all the time. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:18

That's what I would think. So I guess asking is just you're covering well, and even if it's your own personal thing, like if you're there with your man or your woman or whatever, you're gonna video your own shit. Maybe it's the professional lighting and stuff that puts him over the edge.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:31

Yeah. I don't know if it's the like legality of it, but yeah, he sent us our clip as to an unauthorized visitor being there. And I thought it would be the cameraman, and it was straight up our Door Dasher. No way. I swear to goodness. His Airbnb is called like the jungle. Okay, that's really weird. In Columbus. It's a beautiful little Airbnb. It's very small.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:52

Actually, I've heard about that place. It's a little Airbnb. It's downtown, right? It is downtown. Yeah, I've heard about, but not because people were filming, you know, videoing there, but because it's very cute.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:04

His name is Sergio. Kyle called him a crook and they banned his Instagram or his Airbnb account. Wow. So we can no longer have Airbnb.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:13

Jungle Oasis. No. Is it by Newport? Jungle Oasis? Newport. Is it by Music Newport Music and High Street? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:23

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:24

Okay. Jungle Oasis. Sergio is the Airbnb host. Y'all should see my tabs over here. I got Smuckers Pie, Google Image Search. Not Jungle Oasis. Only fans. Well, I want to see what the Smuckers the Danish look like. Oh, you guys want to send it to me?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:41

That's funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:42

So this is cute. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:44

Yeah, and I think other people have done photo shoots and stuff. Lots of people. So what act or scene, we'll call it whichever one, do you enjoy the most personally that you're not like that you're not making money off of, right? Or or that you enjoy it and you make the most off of it. What's your favorite? And take take love out of it. Like what do you what do you enjoy the most? My boy girl content. Okay. Just the two of you.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:14

I think it's the most intimate and the most you love Eden. Yeah, it is. And I don't know if it's like passion. What my fan base likes the most is my girl girl, but a lot of them like they like they like watching men.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:31

Yeah. Well, that that's what I said. I mean, all these men talk about, you know, they're all homophobic and yet they all watch hundreds of decks.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:37

And really said we're watching the dick. Exactly. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:43

That's so funny. So when you do the girl stuff, like girl on girl, like like I think I saw one where there were like three or four of you, maybe. It was probably five. Five.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:53

Okay, maybe that was enough. And there were that was a lot. It was. You pick a partner and you just do all the things.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:58

So the two girls that were on the complete right side of us, neither one of them did very intense OnlyFans stuff. So they just made out. Okay. The two of us in the middle were doing the most. I think one of us was hitting each other with a strap on, and Maddie was taking the strap on, and then Aaron and my other girlfriend, Pierce, they were just squeezing each other's butt cheeks. Wow. Making out. So really they don't care what they're seeing. Now, I do have a girlfriend that makes an ungodly amount of money on OnlyFans. I'm talking a couple million dollars in a couple months. Um she will set a phone or a camera off into the distance, and you'll just be doing mutual pay, and she makes$120,000 per video. What's mutual pay? Uh mutual play is um okay, but yeah, mutual play is you're in one chair, I'm in the other, and we're masturbating together.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:59

Oh, okay, yeah. What? So her and her husband showed it to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:05

That's what I was just saying. It was a video of this girl banging her best friend with a strap on, but it was from me to you. What they want to see is the dildo coming out of you and the skin wrapped around the dildo. Yeah. That's what they want to see the most. Yeah. When it you were the phone is over there, you're not seeing none of that. There's no point of view. There's no nothing. So I I think I don't think I know. I'm pretty sure I insulted her because I was like, that wouldn't sell on my page. Oh my god. Is that what you do? You make the money that you make doing that. That's what I'm saying. And she was said, yeah. And I'm like, yeah, my that would not sell on my page. I wonder why it's selling on hers, though. I think it's location. I think it's geotagging. And I also think it's how she looks. Okay. That's fair. Is she hot? She's beautiful. She's beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:54

Oh, okay. Okay. So people just want to watch like they're not going to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:58

I think so, but I think her audience generates so much because she deo geotags Gatlinburg, Tennessee, Florida. Those are huge.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:09

But I I thought with geotagging, like, don't you have to be there or the videos taken there? Or can you just add like if I'm here in Ohio, can I geotag California or this or you can geotag it, but it will not make a difference.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:23

If you're not there, it won't make a difference.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:25

Okay, so then it wherever she's at, she just happens to be in a good area.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:28

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:29

So it's so if you're in Gatlinburg, Tennessee, or Nashville, Tennessee, or what's the other big uh Dollywood? Oh, that's Gatlinburg area, right? Gatlinburg area.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:42

And there's another one that's you said that like all you have to do is it's it geotags it because if you take the video there or you start to make the content, and you say you could save it as a draft. If it's in the draft, it'll automatically geotag that that's where it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:59

Well, oh, that's a sneaky.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:02

You can you can be in Ohio. Yes. Make some content. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:06

So we went on vacation with the our girlfriend and her man that do this for a living. They make ungodly amounts of money, like uh over a hundred thousand dollars a month on there. Okay. Um I w while I was there with us, I was banking five videos in all 30 plus accounts.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:23

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:23

Every video that I posted in Ohio, even though it was geotagged to Tennessee, went viral. Some of them went 50k,000 views, some of them went 100k,000 views, some of them had 12,000 views. But anything over 10K is a win for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:39

And what do you make on 10K? Like what does that mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:52:42

So TikTok, I don't really make nothing. It's the TikTok lives that generate because I don't monetize. Okay because when you monetize, you're generated, you're being basically looked at more. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:52

You know, so if I'm And you don't want to call attention because it can get you banned.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:56

You don't want to call attention because it can get you banned, yeah. And even I was putting together a goddarn shelf the other day from Amazon, and I was turning the shelf and had some little airy boxer shorts on, and I was getting restricted. So I was like, okay, but me and Eric had stand almost with our nip showing in my garage two years ago, and and we wouldn't get in trouble at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:19

Cracks me up. It makes you wonder about the algorithms. And the bot and the bots.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:24

Since the TikTok band, nothing's been the same for Americans. Really? Wow. Really? Yeah. You can get on like Chinese and Chinese, excuse me, like anything in Asia. Someone's streaming in Asia, Asia, and they could be doing a hula hoop. Or not a hula hoop, yo-yo. Yeah. Be doing all these cool tricks. Swirl the yo-yo around there, soft wee wee. So you can see the whole thing and not get in trouble at all.

unknown 1:53:51

What?

SPEAKER_02 1:53:52

You can also be in like Russia and have your entire boxers pulled up into your camel toe and not get in trouble at all. But the US is under scrutiny because we've all banned them.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:04

Yeah, that's a government censorship kind of thing. It just is. Yeah. Crazy shit. Oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:12

It's so have you ever dealt with like a payment processor issue or any other than like you have your account banned and like on different platforms. But when it comes to like payment, how are you paid?

SPEAKER_02 1:54:24

So when you sell on Snapchat, you're paid through Venmo PayPal Cash App. And some people will do Apple Pay, but once you give them the fucking app, they get your phone number. Yeah. And then they're like, oh, I got a phone number. I've already won the lottery. We're not giving her any money. We're just gonna text her every two days. And I'm like, homie, this is not work. So I try to stay away from that. But when you sell on Snapchat, those are your three pay apps. When you do OnlyFans, Fansly and any other thing like Sex Panther, or there are a couple other things like My Free Cams, that all goes into a direct deposit into a bank account. Interesting. But some banks will uh reject this the ability to service you essentially.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:06

Wow. So just okay. Just like Bitcoin and crypto.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:09

Chase Bank does not allow any form of sex work at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:12

That's so dumb.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:13

Chase Bank does not? Chase Bank does not.

unknown 1:55:15

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:16

Wow. As far as they know.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:17

As far as they know. But what it sucks when you go to high school with someone that knows you and they're like, oh. When they're working there. They're gonna fan. So I need to warn her. I filed a complaint against Chase Bank for that. Yeah. And nobody messes with me now.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:32

So have you ever met a fan out like while you're out in the wild? What happens?

SPEAKER_02 1:55:37

So normally I'm such a people person. The first time I was at, I don't know if you go to Night of Fire, Night Under Thunder. Wait, out at National Trails? Yes. Yes. Love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:48

My brother's a professional drag race. Love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:50

Go every year. It's amazing. Anytime I'm there, someone knows who I am.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:54

You need to take your son there, Kat. I'll I'll I'll tell you when it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:57

It is absolutely awesome. Make sure he has earplugs just in case. But it is amazing. Like these funny cards, jet cards.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:04

Of course, all those guys know who you are because they're your audience. Pretty much, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:09

Your brother probably subscribes.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:10

No, I can guarantee you he doesn't. However, it doesn't mean somebody hasn't sent him pictures or videos.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:15

I'm guaranteed. Guarantee. I'm guaranteeing it. Yeah. It was funny, somebody put on some. Oh, I already said that. Basically, like, how do you deal with these guys? And I'm like, listen. If I didn't put myself out there, then maybe I could be upset. But I put myself out there. So I'll play in the mess I created.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:30

Yeah. Have you ever had any fans that have become like real life friends kind of thing? Uh not really. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:37

No, because I try to, men that are lustfully doing all the things to bust some rocks off on you are very dangerous.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:47

And I also have a very strict code. If I find out that if ever I'm giving you my attention to potentially date you and I found out you've buyed content, I will not. I'll disengage as soon as possible.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:00

I mean, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:01

Have you have you had guys though, like because it is very common for a man to just want a companion, want a friend, want a pretty girl to talk to. Have you had people like that where you've either video chatted with them or it's like they don't even care about seeing you naked or anything like that? Like they just want to have a conversation type of thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:17

Right. Oh, yeah, that happens a lot because the reason 90% of the reason why they're doing what they're doing is because they're lonely.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:23

Yeah, yeah. I agree. Or they're not getting the attention they need. Right. They're not getting what they're doing.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:27

Or whatever or desire at home. Yeah. But some of them are. And it's just strictly like a strictly like a fantasy that isn't being fulfilled.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:36

Yep. And it's the same thing as a porn addiction. I mean, it just is. It's like they have and actually you talking to them is part of the fantasy.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:43

It's a hundred percent. Yeah. It's the chase, it's potentially knowing that this is someone I could never touch. Right. And it makes it even more fascinating.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:51

Yep, I agree. So just look like when when you were in a relationship, right? So how do you shut your brain off that says that was all work. Now I'm coming back to my life, my personal life. How do you switch that in your brain?

SPEAKER_02 1:58:09

I think it's hard. And as much as I want to tell you, it can be done.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:15

It can't be.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:15

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:16

It's hard. And a lot of people are. I love that you're honest about that. A lot of times it meets the demise of whatever it is. Like a lot of these girls are like, uh, if you're keeping your man happy, you don't have to worry about the hoe on the corner with a sandwich. I'm like, no, but they're always going to be curious. We're human. Yeah. You don't think I don't look at people when I'm eating at a table in the a restaurant with my man and think, man, I wonder how good that man could fuck me.

unknown 1:58:40

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:41

Wait, do you really?

SPEAKER_03 1:58:42

Do you think that?

SPEAKER_02 1:58:43

Really? Yeah, because I know he looks around, he's like, damn, that ass, I wonder what it looks like bouncing on me. Of course. Because I wonder what it looks like bouncing on you. You're right. But you don't act on it. Right. It's all part of the fantasy. I I get that completely. So you have to maintain your fantasy enough where you're not losing sight of making your partner feel like she's number one. Yeah. Or he's number one. My phone was an open book from the moment I dated Kyle. And in the beginning, I would tell him uh because he did not like me talking about my prison bed, he was embarrassed of it very much.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:17

I mean, it's part of your life.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:18

And I would talk about it a lot to my friends, and I'm like, listen, that's my personal business because I talk there about it that I'm not able to fully grieve. And my I lost my high school sweetheart while I was in prison. And I wrote an essay to my judge, and he allowed me to leave the prison on a furlough, the first one out of 12 years of people to leave to go, because I told him it was going to be detrimental to my recovery if I did not have the opportunity to say goodbye. Okay, so you so he died after his funeral. My grandfather's Dyna Glide that he willed him when he passed away. So it was imperative for me. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:56

I was wait, his wait, your grandfather, what was this?

SPEAKER_02 2:00:00

My grandfather passed away and willed my high school sweetheart a bike that my high school sweetheart ended up dying on while I was in prison. Like a motorcycle. Oh my god. Okay, good. Yeah. So I was wow. Had no intentions on coming home to Kyle. Had every intentions on coming home and letting my high school sweetheart prove himself. And was very open and honest with Kyle about that. Like as much as Kyle's like, this man, you gave him the cake and me the crumbs, and he was a piece of shit. Yeah, we were young. We were learning. We were doing all the things, you know, alongside one another, but that still doesn't make it okay to not let someone grieve the way that they need to be. But I was exactly where I needed to be to grieve that entire process. I was very thankful that I was given the opportunity to put my thoughts to paper.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:50

I can't believe the judge let you out on first.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:52

I can't either. Like how long did you have? 12 hours? I had I believe it was five hours.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:00

Yeah, I've just never heard of that.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:02

It was five hours, and I had To go to a funeral or to go to his funeral. I had an intensive check-in and checkout. I was drug tested on the way out. I was told that if I had consumed in any type of nicotine at all, at all, cavity search when I got back in, and I didn't.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:20

That's a that's wild. Like, how did you? I needed that though to to move on health in a healthy way.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:26

No, I get it, but like how'd you contact the judge to even like get him to think about it?

SPEAKER_02 2:01:30

I so my little brother had been trying to call me. So when you're in stars, a very strict, you're basically in like military boot camp. You're up at 4 a.m. every morning saluting, you all count yourselves. You tell them, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am, thank you, ma'am. Yeah, like all the things. Okay. You're not allowed to look at the men at all. And if you are, you're looking down. If you're caught, you ride a thing called the table. And when you're at the table, you're not allowed to look around. You're not you do your homework and that's it. So they keep you on a very strict, very, very strict. It's like who camp. We're criminals. Yeah. But it's implemented to change your way of thought. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:05

Your brother was trying to get a hold of you.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:07

Yep. So he's trying to get a hold of me. Yeah. And when I answered the phone, he's he's upset. And I could tell that he was upset. And I wasn't sure if it wasn't my like my mom or dad. And he I had just talked to Brendan a couple days before, and I just talked to him. I said, Are you gonna call me for my birthday? My birthday's in a couple days. And he said, Yeah, I'm gonna call you for your birthday. And so he called me the next day. He was at the bar with my dad. Okay. But he left that night at the bar with my dad and wrecked and died. And my dad was my grand my my little brother was so upset, and he's you know, I was portraying because when I first got the star, I had a really hard time being honest. Yeah, I was like, I'm never I've never used drugs in my life, it's never been an option, like it's never been a problem. They can see right through your bullshit, you're there for a reason. Right, yeah. The detectives alone have done enough work on you enough to die and dictate you that they know that what you have a problem. Right. Whether that's a criminal mindset of I'm gonna sell these drugs and it being a fast money lifestyle, just like sex work is. Yeah, they know. They know, yeah. They know. So when I first got there, I was like, no, that's not me. But then I really cracked my shell and opened up and had a lot to say.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:19

Well, like you said, it was you were given an opportunity to do that too, which I think is amazing, actually.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:24

It was great. And when I they they give you opportunity to basically give an explanation as to why you were there and what you're gonna do when you leave. And I just did so much work on myself and I was so proud. And I would do it again. Yeah, no, I would literally do it's like, you know, some women are like, My period's my reset. Send me to star for seven months, I'll come home a brand new person. So to me, when people are like, Did you like prison? I'm like, ah, I just wish I could talk to the judge that thinks prison is a good idea for people. Yeah. Because it's not. Yeah. Send them to Star where they're able to maintain a healthy process of learning how to shift their thought process. That's amazing, actually.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:05

Yeah, that is amazing. So, but how did you were you given that option, or was like that was their idea?

SPEAKER_02 2:04:12

I was not given an option. I was that was either I did my full time or I did 17 months in jail and seven months in CBCF. Okay. So you did do that, you said you did do I did 17 months in Marysville prison. Yeah. Oof.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:30

And say just in cat just so you know, there's a difference between jail and prison. There it is, very much.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:35

Yes. Marysville is like a whole farm. You go to school there, you can get bachelor's degrees.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:40

You can get everything that you want there, but that's their jail? Their jail is like a farm. Yeah. You have a cafeteria, you have jobs, you have cosmetology school.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:49

Yeah. And then they say you after that 17 months, then you went to to a CBCF, which is a lockdown um drill-based facility.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:58

Um wow. Yeah. So it's it's like Is that in Ohio or where is that? It is. It's in Portsmouth, Ohio. Okay. It's wow. Some of the most amazing women run that place. Um is it strictly strictly women or not? It's very strictly what you but you're in, you're in together in the same you're it's co-ed though.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:15

But you're not rooming. Okay. You have these things called houses.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:19

Well, there's a two women's houses, two male houses, and then there's a school uh building in the back.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:25

Wow, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:26

It is true. Or like higher education, or is there like younger people there, like a schoolhouse for like GED? Anything?

SPEAKER_02 2:05:35

No, so yeah, they will offer you your GED in prison. They don't do that in CVCF because it takes longer, I think. I'm not really quite sure. But I do know that from 18 on, stars offered. Okay. So it's not for juvenile. Yeah. I think that's a whole we have one of these facilities right here near me. You're in Chilacothy. Wait, we are in Cincinnati. Yes, you all you there is one. Lebanon. Lebanon. Yes, it is. That they hold men mostly, but yes, Lebanon. Lebanon, yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:09

Kat's out here doing research for her next.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:11

I'm out here like, hey, yes, that is that is very close to you. Yeah. When I go to my sheets, I pass it. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:17

That's funny. Okay. So have you ever had any fans who have become like entitled or obsessive about you that they like they're telling you, you know, do this, do that, like whatever. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 2:06:30

Not really. And you know what's crazy is I run my page a little bit different than other people. I do not include my live streams as part of my sub fee. Oh, okay. So if you're watching me live, you're paying something to be there. Yep. Otherwise, you're not. Because I don't think it's worth showing you my body, booty, all the things, anything that anyone else has paid for, boobies, whatever it is. You don't get to see that for just$10.99.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:57

Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:58

So I'll let you chill and get all like so. What I do when I go live is I do a spin wheel typically on my phone, and you pay$20 to spin the wheel. It spins, whatever it lands on, I do for you. Yeah. It could be make out with my girlfriend. It could be like her nipple. It could be put a butt plug in or size up because I do that. Wait, what size up? I buy these butt plugs in like four sizes. Oh, okay. So I'll start with the smallest one and I'll move up every time because it lands on it just about every time. Or I'll do something else, you know. There's quite a few things on the list. There's makeout if you have a partner.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:36

Oil nips. So whatever it lands on for$20, I spin the wheel. By the time you get to the point where I'm topless, you then either have had to spin the wheel enough times to have spent$25, or you have to then spend$25 or you're out. Okay. So I don't have any. I don't have any cra Well, it generates. I know. I love that. It's and you learn how to maintain. And I've had people that are meaner than me, and I've also had people that are like, you're poor shaming. What? And I'm like, well, listen, if you have a line of geese and you got a duck over there and it needs to be brought in closer, let me live. I'll help you wrangle it in. But until then, you probably shouldn't be on here wasting your money. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:16

So I'm telling you, I'm just sitting here, like, I'm I'm I'm mind blown. Me too. I hope I can't I hope I get a copy of this.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:27

You will so that I can re-listen to it. So I'm like, yeah, you should hear this because I'm being so you're just so smart.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:34

You are smart.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:35

You are a very smart woman for real. I'm really I honor that and I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:40

And that's I'm just honestly, you remind me of Bunny.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:44

She does. And listen, what's crazy? I took my shirt off and stood in my bra so the men that were singing with jelly roll could sing my shirt or sign my shirt, and he was there. And before him and Bunny were even famous, and I didn't get to shake them their hands or meet them, but I was literally right in front of them as as they were introducing themselves at the Auro Sevilla. I literally love her. The Auro Sevilla. So my little brother said, You should get on there because you have like 75,000 followers on Facebook. You should get on there and comment. Yeah. I've been watching you and your husband since you played with Doobie Bandit at the Auro Sevilla and see because she is very, she answers all her messages. Like very, very and very, very spiritual too. And she's got a little bit more deeper, darker beliefs than I do as far as like I just watched a podcast that she played the other day that said, you know, when I move into a new house, I take no nude furniture. New furniture holds energy and memories. And now I'm like, do I get rid of everything in the house that I have? Wait, so she buys all new furniture? She buys all new furniture. Okay. So I mentioned that to Erin and she said, Me too.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:51

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:52

And I said, Do you do that because of the energy? Now I'm big on energy and reincarnation, and I don't feel like this is the first life I've lived or the last I have to live. So everybody has different opinions on all the things. She will never buy a mirror from a thrift store because she thinks it's a portal. Interesting. I've heard of that. She's got a very beautiful mind, and the way it works is I'd love to pick it for a couple hours.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:15

Okay, we need Erin back here with you. That has to happen. Yeah, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:19

So, yeah, I wanted to ask you like if you could plant the seed. Yeah. Because I don't know how well, because of all this stuff, with you know, I don't know if this would be used against her in any way. Well, and maybe it could not be. Nobody would never be on film. Yeah, no way. It would just be her voice.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:36

That's her voice, and we change names.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:38

Oh, so it could even be something different.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:40

Yeah, totally different. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:41

People know me, and people know her because of me.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:44

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:44

And and we might have to change her name for that. She's just got a beautiful little body, like people with very high hips.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:51

Like she's very tatted, like she's hot.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:54

And I took her to Chicago with me to get her work done. So that was really exciting. Oh. Is that where you get all your work done? I get all my work done by Mike Soria in Chicago, and he's amazing. He's the best person. I'll I'll never go to anybody else.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:08

That's how do you spell his last name?

SPEAKER_02 2:11:10

S-O-R-I-A. Oh, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:13

He's in Chicago.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:14

Chicago, yeah. Beautiful. He he he tattoos some LA Lakers players. Yeah. He travels all over. He actually made the cover with a woman named Charlie of his work on Inktop.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:26

How did he find him?

SPEAKER_02 2:11:28

Okay. Okay. Can I tell you? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I sneaky linked with the not really sneaky linked, like he just messaged me and wanted to fuck. And I was like, absolutely. And I drive like ride here two and a half hours with a butt plug in. I'm like, you better say less right now. I'm on my way. So I go there and the man sucks my toes. And I was completely enamored with this entire existence. He had a beautiful eyeball tattoo. On his back, and I was like, You are fine. But he has very religious and very not okay with the OnlyFans thing. Oh. So it's now married and all the things, but I would not have met Mike if it weren't for him because Mike did his tattoo.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:15

Where are we at here? Oh. So how has making this kind of money changed your life? For the better or the worse?

SPEAKER_02 2:12:25

Okay. Or the I'll just start with the worst.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:28

And it it's all gonna correlate in the same respect. For the worst is that people think because they know me and where I come from, that it's okay to give their children the okay to ask me for money. Oh, that's rare. What? Yeah, so I've had people that I know and children that I know that I that I'm related to very much respectfully and love them very much, but I've been so estranged for so much long that when I ask when they you ask me, I feel like it's been you've been put up to it. And then the best blessing of making this kind of money is that my family members no longer know that they have to struggle. That when they need my help, I'm right there.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:11

And that's why both of my parents are very, very supportive. Now, my dad is supportive in a much keen more way. We don't talk about all the things. Right. Yeah, you can't. How down and dirty it gets. Now, my mom thinks some of it's funny. The Danish story my mom just tells everybody, Lyle, you're never gonna believe what she was paid to do. This is crazy. I need to figure it out. But my you know, my dad has had almost nearly two homes burned down in the last three years. And wait, do they live together, your mom and dad? No, they've been estranged since I was about six. Okay. One of the places was just extremely old, cat, very old electric, and it caused fire. He lost both of his animals in the fire. Oh, and that was very, very detrimental to him. Yeah. So I'm able to help in ways. Yeah, no, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:00

Of course, they're very popular.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:02

Very proud.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:03

Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. My goodness. Kat, you have to ask the next question. I'm worn out. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:10

I was gonna say, how do you handle the how do you handle stigma or people assuming like, oh, this is just easy money. I just show my body, I get naked, like well, because it is easy.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:21

It is easy, but but there's a the not with all the marketing you do, not with all the heart. Yeah, but they don't understand the legwork. Yeah, so part of me wants to say it is not just getting naked on camera, right? You're not, and and and you have to like show all your personality and build it somewhat of a clientele and all the things, but it is easier than just going out on a bid and yeah, and getting a job. Yeah, because sex, cigarettes, and alcohol will always sell. And it's been proven since the prohibition, yeah, it will always sell, and even before the prohibition, sex was selling. Oh, my God. Sex will sell forever. People are like, oh, that's gonna last for so long. Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:05

Have you ever considered doing porn? Yeah, not that the like I mean like straight old school porn, like you die in a few.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:13

I feel like I've watched quite a few documentaries. I can't name any of them or quote any of them, but I would probably never do mainstream because amateur what I consider this is amateur porn. People like it more.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:24

They do like it more.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:25

And 90% of your females that do mainstream porn are so addicted to heroin.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:30

Well, and they die so much younger.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:36

So with that though, why do you why is it do you think that people like are subscribing instead of just going and watching three porn online stuff? Like I think obviously you have a great bubbly personality. Like, is it because of the individual?

SPEAKER_02 2:15:51

I think it is very much the individual spare, very much your aura, very much the charisma that you let off. But I also just need you guys to know that 90% of your fan base that subs subs for a month. That's it. Yes, you have your people to stay. You'll have roughly what percentage do you think stays? 20%. That's it. I'm gonna say that unless holy shit I mean, other people might have other opinions, but yeah, you're you're there in the amount of people that scribe subscribe for a day and block themselves because they're worried about what their wife's gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:24

Right, yeah, they get in trouble.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:25

Yeah, your children being on the still have to pay that membership, right? Like, what do you do? They do unless they charge back. So right now mine's 1099. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:34

So they'll pay the 1099 and then they have full access for what the month of her content.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:38

Well, then you get in and then you can buy other things. You get in, you only see boobs. Well, and yeah, you see very so excited.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:46

You've seen some boobs, and you're like, holy crap, or belly boots. Or a picture of your ass. I mean, like or a picture of the booty, and they're like, I gotta see more, show me more.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:54

So then they can like buy into the other thing, into the DIY and spin the wheel and the DM. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:59

And she has a whole list right up front that says, here's what it's gonna cost you if you want any of these.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:05

So you make most of the money on those requests.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:10

Or subscriptions, which one?

SPEAKER_02 2:17:11

Subscriptions and tips. Oh, because I have like quite a few people that do video calls that then will tip me for the video call. And then, like, I have one guy that pays$500 for a 30-minute video call to do nothing but slap my boobs. So that's wild.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:28

Okay, so one of the things that I actually took a picture of this because I thought it was so funny is that people who tip you get their messages answered first. Yes, and I love that you put that right up front.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:39

Yes, she was the one.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:41

Yes, yes, I'm like, I brought that up on a because last last August I had 3.5k paid fans. 35,700 people were paying me so 35, 30, let's just call it 3,500. 3,500 people were paying me$10.99 a month to be there. So the the the mass amount that's nothing. I have a little girlfriend that has 12,000 paid subscribers.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:10

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:10

At like, I think it's$1,299.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:13

What's been your highest number of subscribers?

SPEAKER_02 2:18:16

Three point, see it's 3.6 or 3.8.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:19

Okay. Okay, so that's been the most. And wow, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:25

3,600, you said like yeah, just call it three 3,600 to 3,800. Yeah. I think 3.8 was my highest.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:34

I feel like that's not a lot of subscribers for an OnlyFans. Yeah, but it's you make all your money on like the custom request and all that stuff you'd say.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:42

Like that, that alone. So in the month of 3.8 K subscribers, yeah, I made$94,000 in a month. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:50

I mean Oh, just because of that, their subscription fees not just because, but all of it together.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:55

Okay. Their tips, wow, their subscription fees, my also lives. Yeah, my lives generated. I one time my highest paid live was$7,900 for like four hours.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:08

What the hell did you do for four hours?

SPEAKER_02 2:19:10

Oh, I had a big spender that had lots of boats in in Florida, and he loved me so hard. And every time I got up to go get something out of the refrigerator or use the bathroom, or I gotta wash this toy off. He'd be like, Let's get her to her goal. Let's get her to our goal before she comes back. And I'm like, I don't know where you are, but I love you. Yeah, no kidding. Oh did he stay around? Like he said, that's crazy. He did not, but that's how it works. That is how it works. They come in hot, they love you hard, they leave. And it is what it is. I don't mind. I don't mind at all. Hell no. Because as much as you got it, so what's someone else?

SPEAKER_03 2:19:43

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 2:19:45

That's unreal. Like, this is just blowing my mind because someone like me that really doesn't know much about OnlyFans, like you hear about it every single day. It's like, like, okay, like I just said, I didn't feel like 3,000 some subscribers was a lot when I'm like, because on the internet and stuff, it's like, oh no, you have to have hundreds and tons of thousands, like you know, when people tell me Pokemon Only has 42.7k.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:07

Who does? My free OnlyFans. Oh. So you can subscribe for free. Right. And it's a very different, like, you don't get nothing for free. Everything is censored. The most it ever made me in one month was$24,000. That's why they convert. That's it, they do convert, but that's no sub fee. I get that. That's amazing, though.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:29

I'm just learning that like the amount of money you can make with just a low amount of followers. Because people think that no, you're not going to be successful in OnlyFans unless you have a time. Unless you have a huge and that's not true at all. That's not the case.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:43

That's not the case. And the more, the more personal, here's where I fucked up was hiring my partner. Right. Because the more personal you get and the more that they know about you, yeah, the more they want to send you money. Yep. I had some dude in the last three days send me$3,600 just for hopes he'll take me out on a date.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:01

Oh my God. Just just in hopes. Well, listen, I I get that you're worth that. I mean, that's what he should spend to get you out on a date. Seeking arrangements.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:12

You've never came seeking arrangements. You need to hire, yeah, seeking arrangements or rent a friend or something, but you can't be doing that unless you have like security.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:20

You do, and I always do. My my I shouldn't be ratting him out, but I'll go on a date and my little brother will be on a date also in the same building. Yeah, perfect. We have each other's locations, and we're usually not far. We can see one another.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:34

Yeah. Because I mean, you could get in somebody's car, or you know what I mean? You would never, holy Christ.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:38

Yeah, I'm scared of death.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:40

I mean, so you literally just meet them at a restaurant or location, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:44

Listen, I have girlfriends that have had people come to their house to pull things off their truck, and I'm like, you're gonna have an air tag under there. Yeah, and you're not even gonna be able to see where it's at.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:52

Yeah, trust no one. That's it. So you literally can't.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:55

Like, and I'm a felon, so I cannot protect myself. It's illegal for me to have any sort of knife, taser, gun. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:03

I forgot about it.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:04

But you know, jelly roll was just part, and I don't know if I could maybe.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:07

I bet you could. Listen, you're a smooth talker girl. I think you can get pardoned too.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:11

Listen, okay. We are going to find bunny and jelly roll between the bigger.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:15

Oh, listen, I want to get it. She's had labia surgery, and I want to talk to her so bad about it. Why? Oh, because I want all the things. I want all the things. I want bigger boobs. I want a lift. I want an I want an internal brawl.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:27

Are your boobs real or fake? They're they're not real. They're not real because they look okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:32

I everyone says that.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:33

And so you see, they look real, but they they are, I think they're round.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:38

Yeah, I was gonna say they're big, but you don't have scarring, right? I do, but the fold is so like they drop so much that the fold you can no longer see.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:50

I was gonna say they're big, but they like look, and plus like your nipples and everything, like every they don't look like they're big fake boobs, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:22:56

I agree. And they look nasty. Honestly, if you went bigger, then that gets like, oh, it's too pot. You know what I mean? It's I love that.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:04

That's why we pay for them. But I had to pay for the first set, so I'm like, fuck it, we'll go for the second set and be fine.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:09

And then get the teardrop ones, those things.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:12

So I do have teardrop, teardrop gummy memory joke. Oh, you do? I do, but now they make a so Erin has had her boobs done. She's going on three times now.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:22

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:23

Did she go to Dr. Heck? So she's gone to Caps.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:26

Yeah, Dr. Heck, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:28

I'm not sure who he is, but he's a great doctor.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:30

Well, he's known for his boobs.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:32

She did a so the first time she did uh implants, second time she did a lift. I don't know if I can commit to the stars, scars. I also don't know if I commit can commit to not having my nipple on my body. They take it off and then they throw it back on. So I'm like, do you feel it?

SPEAKER_03 2:23:48

I've done things. You've had a lift? I've had well, I've done two reductions, and with the last reduction, they did a lift. Oh yeah. Okay. I mean, you have scars.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:55

I feel like the scar is gonna be okay, regardless. Yeah. For me, I want the internal brawl and a bigger implant because I don't think I need a lift. I don't have children yet. Yeah. I think the internal brawl will keep it.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:06

The internal brawl is key. My friend just had that done too.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:08

But the internal 60 to 100. It keeps them from moving.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:13

Oh, it keeps it keeps them from going out of the pockets that they create.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:16

You also have a pocket on the side here that can be sewn shut. Yes. On top of you getting the internal brawl, which is just basically like a mesh implant. It's not very big and it's not connected like you think it would be.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:28

Yeah, and it dissolves and becomes part of your body. Oh, I did not know that. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:33

So Cat does offer the. Yeah. Here's where I'm at. I'm just not playing trying to pay like$17,000. I would pay out of pocket. The first person that paid for my boobs owned a morgue in Kentucky.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:46

I know that's very dope. You got to get down to that story. How do you do that?

SPEAKER_02 2:24:51

Um, he found me on Instagram. Listen, I promise you, every single big dollar, big spender I've ever had has found me on Instagram. Wow. And you never slept with them or anything. You're just like, hey, I want to buy you boobs. Uh never slept with them or anything. I don't do meets. I don't do not meet people. Good for you. Like going to dinner, the the guy that I just told you about that sent me like uh um three grand, a little a little bit more. I think it was 3250 to be exact. He was like, uh what what if I just wait just to go out to Jeff Ruby's? I've never been there. Would love to go. Yeah. Is it good? Let's go. I'm like, okay, hey little brother, do you think you can come? I'll pay for your dingo.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:32

Irene and I will go and we will sit. Yeah. You know what? I would love to just do an episode where we like follow someone around or we're like giving the commissary while like we're watching you on a date. Yeah. We could just be sitting there drinking some wine, supervising, nobody knows we're there. I got the wireless mics, we're mic'd up. Yeah. And then we go to the sex club.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:57

I've never been to a strip club. I would love to burst that cherry with you all.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:01

Oh, girl. Okay, listen, we need to get some.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:03

I was at one in in Zanesville. Yeah. It's called the Foxhole. Okay. The worst thing I've ever been to in my life. They look like Section 8 moms.

SPEAKER_00 2:26:12

Okay. This is what we're gonna do. I mean, that that man that I was telling you about that has the excavator and the caddy and whatever, he's the strip club king. He's my best guy friend, my old boss. Like he is a kid.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:26

We need to interview him too. But keep going.

SPEAKER_00 2:26:28

No, not that. Is he him?

SPEAKER_03 2:26:31

No, I don't. Um, I want to know who the strip club king is.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:34

Oh, oh yeah, that's him. Jake. Do you guys go to Maverick?

SPEAKER_03 2:26:39

I don't know what is it's like a club. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:42

I've heard some radio. Like a swingers club? No, it's like a normal bar, just a club uptown. Oh, okay. It's like John Boy or something like that. But it's called Maverick.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:51

I have no clue.

SPEAKER_00 2:26:52

Are you talking about the radio station? You said Maverick and John Boy. So John Boy is like a club up like downtown. Oh, oh yes, yes. That's on campus or something, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:03

So then there's one, is it Maverick or I have no I don't go to bars unless I don't go to bars unless unless there's steak involved.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:10

Honestly, I don't either. I just got a couple little girlfriends that are always like, come up here.

SPEAKER_00 2:27:14

I'm like, shit.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:15

Yeah. Well, plus you have to get back out there again too.

SPEAKER_00 2:27:19

The last time I went to a strip club was my birthday this year. And we were at like the yogi's bar. We were all drinking, having fun, and we went to the strip club. I like puked in the parking lot, and then I was like, it was like one of those puke and rally things. So I like puked and then I went to the strip club and I was just having myself a good time. But I want to take her. Yeah, no shit. We can be mic'd up. I want to take her and go with Jake too. We can be some content.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:42

You're in a bathroom with girls and they're like, What do you do? Yeah. Or you're OU campus, and they're like, What do you do? And and you're just quiet, and you're like, Oh, not a lot. What do you do? And then they answer and they're like, Oh, I'm a nurse. And the other girl's like, I'm in school to be a third grade teacher. And the other one's like, I can't really decide what I'm trying to do. I'm in between two majors right now. And I'm like, oh, and they're like, What do you do? And I'm like, ah, I make like$400,000 a year on OnlyFans. Do you say that? 100% I do. It literally shocks them their life.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:14

Yeah, yeah, I know. It's not even a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:16

Or there's always that one girl in the bar that's like, I've got kids. Who cares?

SPEAKER_00 2:28:22

Like she said, let them cry in a Ferrari on a yacht.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:27

Yeah, literally let them cry in a Ferrari. Or in my case, F250 Super Duty. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:33

Okay, two more. Oh, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 2:28:36

Speaking of like the younger girls, you know, that don't know how like what they want to do with their self. I think we kind of talked about this previously, but about mentoring them.

unknown 2:28:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:28:47

So did we touch on that?

SPEAKER_02 2:28:48

Yeah, through text, I think, really quick briefly. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:28:51

So there are there content creators that do that. They'll like sell a package.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:55

There's like Rachel Baby. She's from like Cincinnati. She's from Ohio, though. Very hard to get a hold of. Now she charges$800 for her mentor, and you don't even get to fucking talk to her. What? Yes. Now there's Midwest Emma that also does some sort of mentorship. Now I have been told, and I won't disclose names because in case she ever hears this, they have been told me that it's not worth it. I would never charge because I'm more interested in not the money that you can make me, but the money I can make alongside you and help you make. I love that. And that is just the authenticity. Yeah. Because a lot of times it's a dog eat dog world. Nobody's out for anybody but themselves. Now, however, one thing that I have noticed that has been a very common misconstruity between a lot of creators is a blue tag. Say you and I make a video together. Yeah. You have 250 fans. I have 3,200 fans. Okay. Say we make a video together, I'm hitting you with a strap on, and I say, Oh, I've just railed this awesome mom, whatever, with a strap on. Give all the juicy details. Yeah. But I don't blue tag you in the bio of the message. Yeah. That means that my fan that buys it can't directly reach your link. Oh. They have to ask you for it. Okay. And in my defense, I do not. Yeah. Once you ask, I don't give it. Yeah. But the ones that blue tag me, I blue tag them. Okay. Yeah. So hear me out. Like, I got a good friend that's like, I got 10,000 paid subscribers. Why would I give my people away, which I understand, right? Because you've done all this work. You and your man have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on equipment to be where you are. Yeah. However, when turmoil causes because you want this person to be your friend and you're not seeing it for what they it is, as you are not blue tagging her. So you've put her yourself in her life, and it's almost like a competition, not because she's made it that, but because it's hard to watch people succeed that are not helping you, also. Right. Exactly. It's called gatekeeping at its finest and then playing victim when you want them to believe that your side is more justifiable than the others. Well, you're, you know, you might not be boastful, but you might also be boastful. Oh, we're making$125,000 off of one video. Yeah. When your homegirl ain't even making five. Okay, that sucks. Because you won't tag her.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:20

I couldn't do that to people. There's no way I could do that.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:22

But then when your people would go ahead. Well, when you're working with people, do you guys know the creator? So Indiana MILF.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:32

Okay, and then do you guys know Brandy and Billy from Facebook?

SPEAKER_03 2:31:35

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:36

They're looking very big. They at first they started out like working with their razors and all the things. So if Andiana MILF worked with someone like Brandy and Billy and they wanted to blue tag each other, then it would logically, as far as revenue goes, convert. Okay. Because you have just as many fans as I do. Right. Say you have 10,000.4k fans and I only have 400. Right. You're not going to feel like unless you're just in a different mindset and have a different personality than a lot of people, you're not going to want to give your people away. Because why would you? Right. You've worked this hard. But why wouldn't you if that person's your best friend? Right. Or even a friend. Like, or it's called just sharing the wealth. Right.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:15

Just helping people. Right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:32:17

It's called networking at its finest. So you can make more money, but so can she.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:21

Yep. I hate gatekeepers, by the way. I just hate them.

SPEAKER_02 2:32:24

At that point. They're just bad people. They are bad people. But at that point, I've become a little bit of a gatekeeper because you'll give everybody the knowledge that you know and then they'll leave you in the dust and do nothing but try to fuck you over. Well, and that's exactly how you have to deal with it. Uh-huh. But it sucks because I understand, I understand my my girlfriend's point of view of like, why would you do all this work? Like, why would I have 3.6 K paid fans and then work with my girlfriend that has 200 is shitty to her people and then wants me to be like, well, just go over there and spend$100 and I'll give you content. Yeah. Ah, you can't be taking food from your own mouth.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:58

No, I agree with that. And like if they're really your friend, I mean they're not gonna, you know what I mean? It's like I get what you're saying completely. I'm a giver. I feel like you're a giver too.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:09

I am very much.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:10

So we have like big hearts. We're gonna help people, but it sounds like you've been fucked over a few times. So guess what? A few times. Now, now it's like we're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:17

And it sucks because like if your bigger creators come to you and they're like, okay, I I I have to I need your advice. And you're like, okay, and you know them both. And you're like, okay, but so I made a video with two girls. One of them wasn't very big, and one of them was big. She had over 11,000 paid K subscribers. Yeah. And I didn't get tagged. Which blue tagged. So in the bio, which would have been made this video with my hot friend and Ellie Ray and whatever. I didn't get the blue tag. You want to know how many people I gained off of her having 758 fans myself at that point, and she had 10 point or almost 11,000. I gained five people. What? So if you are OnlyFans creator, and you're trying to work and network it with other people, and that person will not blue tag you on everything. Do not do it. Yeah. For your own sanity. Do they ever tell you they will do it and then don't? It's usually a subject of discussion. Like my partner and I asked. Yeah. And that that partner said, Well, we worked with another partner that required it. Okay, well, yeah, because you guys have the same amount of fans. So the revenue, that person would have been silly not to ask you that. Yeah. But because you guys were in uh an agreement of it, and because you don't feel entitled because you have up teens trumping that person, then yes, okay, I understand. So I understand both sides of the little friend being upset because she you wouldn't be boot, she wouldn't be boot tagged and she only has X amount of dollars. So that means you moved to where we are to basically farm my content. Yeah. Because that's what it becomes. Yeah. It becomes that person having 10 point whatever K fans or 11,000 or 15. And then you're the person you're making a video with only has 500. You are now farming their content because they're not going to make nearly as much as you.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:04

Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:35:05

You have to take that into consideration. Well, okay, you said so. Let's say you don't blue tag you. Uh-huh. But they're still mentioning you in that bio, correct? Right, but you won't see that.

SPEAKER_01 2:35:16

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:16

It's OnlyFans sees it for legality.

SPEAKER_00 2:35:19

Oh my God. Oh, so they're their paid people won't see that?

SPEAKER_02 2:35:24

No. No.

SPEAKER_00 2:35:24

You have to ask.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:25

And that's why a lot of people will be like, who's your brunette? Who's your brunette friend with the really close cleavage?

SPEAKER_03 2:35:32

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:33

And I'm like, if I don't blue tag you, that means we're no longer friends. Yeah. I'll blue tag you as long as we're cordial.

SPEAKER_00 2:35:39

Yeah. So you blue tag, okay. So you and I make a video together. You blue tag me.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:43

I blue tag you to network so that you get the people that I have. So it's easier for them to click your name because if I don't blue tag you, I can't find you. That's wild.

SPEAKER_00 2:35:53

So okay, if you're not blue tagged, then so we make a video, you don't blue tag me, you upload it. It just is a video of you and a girl. Yes. Nobody knows who it is.

SPEAKER_02 2:36:04

Nobody knows who it is unless I mention your name. Okay. Yeah. So if you did mention my name, and then if I don't tag you with OnlyFans tags, it'll flag. So right now, my partner blocked me. As soon as I go to send the only thing it's allowing to go through right now is when someone first subs, you can send them a message. Thank you for subscribing to my page. If you open this message for$30, I'll give you an executive month for free. Oh. So that's more than my sub fee. Right. It's more than two months of my sub fee. Yeah. So I make them more money than what it is. And then I just send them a link. Are you getting a lot of those conversions? I do get tons of those conversions and it's great. And it wasn't my idea, it was all Kyle's. Oh. I had no idea. So thanks, honey. But it's still there because I changed all the passwords before he could delete it. Oh, good. Good idea. Yeah. So now that's already there. So when I go to send a video, say someone is like, I want to watch you get filled up, or I want to watch come all over your face. And I go to send it, it will flag me because he's blocked me and I can't tag him. Oh my God. Yeah, he told my friend from Tennessee, her husband, he said, She's not gonna make it a day without my content. Oh, she's not gonna go anywhere without my content. Do you know how many men are standing in line after you with pliable testing? Yeah. Don't play.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:26

Yeah. And not only don't play. It's like, you know, don't play. I will tell you this just going on your OnlyFans page, there was so little of him on there in my mind. Like, you know, the little shorts that you can just see.

SPEAKER_04 2:37:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:40

I mean, it was mainly you and other girls and things like that. So I don't even know. Like, he didn't really come into play on it.

SPEAKER_02 2:37:45

And here's what sucks. Like in our DM, he would sell something old. And I kept telling him, so when he asked me to take on that new girl, I was like, Yeah, when you make sure we're good, yeah. You're wanting to take on these new hussies because we're not good. We're not making the amount of money that you feel like you're comfortable with making, which pulling 90k a month and paying you$38,000 in one month seemed crazy to me. Yeah. When you did nothing but sit your chunky butt out of goddamn gaming chair that I bought you playing card. I'm confused. Fuck me on film twice a week or I'm leaving. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:38:23

Listen, every time that you feel some type of way and you want to like you miss him or something, I want you to play this episode back and whether you notice things out loud.

SPEAKER_02 2:38:33

And listen, here's what's crazy because in a matter of 45 days, I've already had like a couple people reach out and I've been able to decipher the prey, whether it's being whether I'm being preyed on or not.

SPEAKER_04 2:38:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:38:45

But there have been a couple full grown men that bring their own money to the table that want to do all the things like film sex tapes in their dozer and literally not ask me for a dime. I love that. And it's great. There are plenty of men that have their own shit to offer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:01

And I think, listen, at some point, you're gonna have to pick one of them.

SPEAKER_02 2:39:04

You're just gonna have to it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:06

Yeah, I'm good with it. Me too. Okay, a couple more questions. I we are almost three hours into this. I want you to do that.

SPEAKER_00 2:39:12

I know, and I gotta keep going and going. We need to do it.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:15

I would love to. We have to do it. I would love to. Okay, because we need to. Okay, and can we get Aaron on there too? Yes, we need to.

SPEAKER_02 2:39:21

Yeah, Aaron would love to come, but she's got long distance little relationship. Yeah, and so in love. Well, and does he do content with her? Not for OnlyFans purposes yet.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:32

Yeah, being the key word.

SPEAKER_02 2:39:33

Oh, okay. I don't think so. Yes, yet, because they are so they they complement each other so well. Well, Aaron's a little shorty, he's a little salt off shorty. He's actually big, yeah, and he's got muscles. Yeah, and they resemble each other.

unknown 2:39:48

Huh?

SPEAKER_02 2:39:49

He's tatted? Tatted, very tatted. Yes, okay. Very, very tatted, yeah. He's got some really he like posted a reel. He even asked her, and it was so cute. He I said, that's the kind of energy my men need to have. Like, uh hey, Ellie keeps popping up on my thing, and she's your bestie. So do you mind if I add her to support? And Ellie was like, or Aaron was like, I don't care, honey. Like, and it was just, it was so sweet. It is so sweet. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:17

It's like it should be. Anyways. Okay, couple more quick questions. Okay. What is the funniest or most awkward behind the scenes moment you had while shooting content?

SPEAKER_02 2:40:28

Okay. I hate to put him out there like this when I really don't care about it. It's okay. Good friend from Tennessee, Gloria. She had come up and filmed with her current partner at that moment. Yeah. They had stayed in an Airbnb pretty close to our house. She came up and filled a threesome video with us that her man was okay with. Yeah. And a couple weeks later, we decided to do a code live. And I'm like, cool, this is gonna be fine. Like, you're in your place and you're with your man, and I'm my place with my man. Like, my man's gonna perform top-notch. And my man could not keep it hard. And I was through the roof because I was like, I just got these titties done. Right. What is there? And he just does not like to share, did not like men watching, was not into the cuckold stuff. Right. If you were watching, you were a girl. Wow. And that was okay. I love that shit too. Like all day long. Like you can hold me down and make this one chain this woman up, make her watch you do all the things to me, and then make her leave. She don't get no pleasure. Right. That arouses me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:32

But when it so, how did he feel? First of all, so he couldn't get hard or he couldn't stay hard. Let's just say that. Yeah, because her man was in the room. That is so fucking weird.

SPEAKER_00 2:41:41

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:43

But he was only in the room on video, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:41:46

Yes. And I was so fucked up about it.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:50

I would have died.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:51

I was like so upset about it. I'm like, is this and he he reassured me tenfold? It was not you. I just do not share. He's like, I've already had you both together in my bed. I would not share you guys with another person. And I think that's just a ma not alpha. There's very different in alpha energy versus masculine energy. Masculine energy tries to trump alpha energy because alpha energy is very confident. Yeah. Masculine energy is casted.

SPEAKER_04 2:42:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:42:23

If you have masculine energy, you're not confident in it. You gotta overcompensate. Right. If you got alpha energy, you'll walk your woman into the restaurant. You won't let her lead.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:32

Yeah. Have you ever thought about doing blooper reels? No. Oh my god, you should. I think it'd be so funny to do blooper reels. Like things that just have gone wrong. And you know, you videoed it.

SPEAKER_02 2:42:44

But is it it's it's a man that's name is Russell, and he is Oh, I don't know. He is something so funny, and he'll be like, Yes, every me, every woman should have a sugar daddy. And if you don't have a sugar daddy, you should find a boyfriend that's got sugar. Like, I'll share it too because he is so good. That's he reminds me of that.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:01

Very cool. Okay, my God, three hours. We love you.

SPEAKER_00 2:43:06

I don't even feel like I'm being here for that. I know. I know, I know. We've made it three hours, and you haven't even invited her to the AVNs with us.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:13

I know. So we want to we want to go to the adult video awards in January of next week. Please have me. Okay, we're gonna come with us. I would love to see that. That was our final question, actually.

SPEAKER_01 2:43:23

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:25

Where do you see your career in five years?

SPEAKER_01 2:43:28

Uh or yourself even.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:30

Just like where do you see yourself in five years?

SPEAKER_02 2:43:33

My five-year goal is to own at least a hundred acres of land somewhere and have a beautiful Barnow and a pool. I love that. And that is literally it, and to be able to say that it was built all on my own. Yeah. Because my entire life, I have built, been no one but the live-in girlfriend. Yeah. And that is my biggest goal in life. Because my family members also think that I am top-notch and all the things, but it's even going to be better to provide them a place to come and hang out and just be themselves, whether that be smoking pot in the back room, doing what God really doesn't want to know, or hanging with your children. Yeah. I want to provide a safe haven for my family that no man under the sun can take. Yep. Agreed. I love that. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 2:44:25

Yeah. You're a badass.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:26

Okay. She is a badass. Well, listen, I know I have an outro here somewhere, but I fucking have lost everything. Can't even talk about our Reddit stories at this point.

SPEAKER_02 2:44:36

I don't know shit about Reddit.

SPEAKER_00 2:44:37

So we did Battle Rap on our deep dive into the world of OnlyFans success stories.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:43

Thank you, Kat. I love that. You guys are so fun to talk to. You are like thank you, Kat, for being the best co-host ever with your weather and humor and sassiness. And my God, thank you, Ellie. Oh my god. What a what a show, truly.

SPEAKER_02 2:45:04

Yeah, you're amazing. I just want to hang out more. And you are about us. I'm a little skeptic. So I asked Erin to come. Yeah. And I sent her your podcast and she she's really good at thorough, very thorough.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:45:18

She's got a model mayhem page and she's put herself in some little sticky situation. So I said, I was invited on a podcast. I don't know if you'd think about coming. And as soon as I sent it to her, she saw Katie's name and she was like, I know you're worried, but don't be. You're in really good hands. And I'm like, you know them? And she said, Yeah, I went to school with Katie. So I was like really excited about coming. And I was even more excited about I am such an open book, and uh it's deterred a lot of people from me in life. No, but I feel like my story is going to help everyone. And if it does not help you and you cash judgment, that's something you have to lay down and live with.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:57

So it's exactly and you know what I said. Even if it helps one person. I mean, seriously, yeah, that's what you have to think about. If it helps one person, you're good. And quite frankly, you've helped us because we had no clue.

SPEAKER_01 2:46:08

I cannot wait to hit AVM with you guys.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:11

I'm so good. We're doing a dinner and strip club and then the AVMs.

SPEAKER_01 2:46:14

Uh well, you don't even know when you guys are available.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:16

10 months in between there, maybe 11 months even, but we'll work.

SPEAKER_02 2:46:20

Do you have to be you have to be agree, like marketed by your fan base?

SPEAKER_03 2:46:25

I well, we're gonna work on that.

SPEAKER_02 2:46:26

Well, we'll get it. That is correct. I'm asking you actually.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:28

I don't know. We don't even know.

SPEAKER_00 2:46:30

We'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:32

And if I'll add this my tap, yep, I was gonna say she has nothing else to do. Okay, I'm excited. Okay, so I would ask our fans to please go follow Ellie again on Facebook. You can find her. I promise you, just go to our Facebook pages you'll find.

SPEAKER_00 2:46:47

Ellie Ray Puckett, right? Ellie, Ellie Ray. Ellie Ray, yeah. Ellie Ray Puckett, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:51

On Instagram, Facebook, and then please subscribe to her only fans because it's amazing. So much fun. And I'm gonna stay on longer than a month.

SPEAKER_01 2:46:58

So they are yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 2:47:00

I mean, I can support you with ten or eleven dollars a month. I can support you. I'm sure I waste that on other shit. At any rate, drop your confessions, hot takes, therapy receipts, or any information you want to give to us at info at the vixenchronicles.com. It's VXN. And then follow us on iHeart, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts. Say goodbye, everybody. Thank you so much for having me. Goodbye. Always