#17 UTU: Restoring Balance

This episode we speak openly to Aperehama-Rua, Coley, and Haati Bei about the journey to set things right after the past Hīkoi of Iwi Whakamahu – Heal the Nation, and the path they are now walking through UTU.
 
Discussing personal thoughts, experiences, and actions behind two of the organisers Aperehama and Coley, and the movement that began with the intention of healing our people. 

And Haati Bei, Aperehama’s whānau, shares her own journey of keeping her family close while navigating a hostile environment.
 
The kaupapa began with powerful intentions. The vision was to create a space of healing and unity. A place where people could come together, reconnect, and walk forward stronger.
But the journey became complicated. Questions were raised. Trust was tested. People were hurt. What started as a movement of healing slowly became surrounded by confusion, division, and pain - between organisers, supporters and the public.
 
In this kōrero we hear the heartbreak of how a space that began with hope and healing slowly became tangled in lies, pain, and despair. But we also hear something just as powerful — how through those experiences true friendships were formed that became whānau. And within a small group, now known as the LITT Krew, still believed in the Kaupapa and creating a space of whakawhanaungatanga, connection, and healing along the journey.
 
Aperehama and Coley speak honestly about the weight they have carried since then — the guilt, and the feeling of knowing that things did not unfold the way they were meant to. With that comes the courage to face those feelings and walk forward with intention.

Now they are walking a different path.
A path that leads back to Rātana Pā.
A journey of UTU — not revenge, but restoration. 
A return to balance. 
A way of putting right what has been thrown out of alignment.

Transcript

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SPEAKER_02 0:54

It's a complete illegal. And I am the creator of one easy once you try right to the waveling of the hand, the unwritten language of theory, like okay, our five.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

Yummy won't.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Yami Yora. Yoda.

SPEAKER_05 2:04

But you can call me how that if I'll just demand it. That's all I do. I don't want to do my daughter. Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

So we've heard you are the uh the one that a few years ago you end up coming up with Iwi Fakamahu. Can you explain how you got the idea of it and how you birthed it?

SPEAKER_02 2:59

But yeah, uh um, so it actually happened last year for HeQuest or House. So there was a process that took place that took all over the country from South Island coming to Wellington and from the North Island coming down to Wellington. Now at the spot, um, there were some people from Moody who came down who are my siblings, and during that time they got all their puna, their humility to sign the petition and join the organizers in there. Now, when they came to Wellington themselves, I saw parliament and the organizers pakahed on their mama. So when they take a heel on their mama, I turned around and said to all the people, why are we here in Wellington when Waikami is our parliament? Okay. Now, a few years ago at 2050-50 was actually the first time I mentioned that to my siblings. I was like, why are we all coming here? There's 50,000 of us here in Horning here, yet nothing will come about us because Wellington is in our parliament. So that was the beginning phases of walking from Wellington to Ratana and carrying on from Ratana to Waken. Um so that's the reason behind it. And so I reached out to all of our Mali, to our Hapu, to our Iwi, um, to see if anyone was on board to come join me on the Cop Hopper. They all said yes, at the very beginning. It wasn't until I went into a relationship with uh certain TikTok or official media influences that all hapu and iwi decided to jump off the co-popper. Uh so yeah, that's the beginning of the trip hopper pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

And the meaning of Iwi Fokamahu, can you please explain the meaning behind it?

SPEAKER_02 4:50

Yeah, sure. So that's actually a straight translation from our bro um who came up with the English saying of heal the nation. So he came up with heal the nation, and I just straight translated that into iwi fokumahu. And so that's how the name came about. But I actually used the secondary word instead of our natural word of ho-order. Uh, ho order actually means more of a healing journey than anything else. But I use the secondary word in our dictionary known as mahu or mahu with your H. So that's how we came up with Mahu. And fuck up is to emphasize the word that comes after. So fuck a mahu is to emphasize the healing relationship, and iwi means nation. So iwi fuka mahu is basically heal the nation.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

Thanks for explaining us that to us Muzsies.

SPEAKER_06 5:47

Just to be clear on what it's all about and where it came from and the name, so that's we wanted to get out there.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

And it was such a beautiful experience for us to come over from Australia and be a part of it. We got to meet some beautiful people, great fucker Fanonga Tanga, Fano that we now have with you. Um, and then from that was also birthed the the lit crew and dude. Before we get to all that, explain the white van, okay, the crew in the white van. And you and Coley were were in that. Do you just want to you can jump in here, Coley, and just yeah, give us your perspective or your your role?

SPEAKER_01 6:28

Yeah, but um, so for me, I guess my role is mainly to mainly to assess any sort of role needed. Like I more of a secondary role compared to uh the rest of that role for the air. Um I expect to be just sort of any sort of job that needs to be done as far as uh how output the click with hardover on the cover of the background on of the of the of the open architect and Twitter was figuring out uh I could I could call the freedom technology of uh things like that's got to come on uh kind of like a um admin called role to it or like it's uh uh I I have to say I mean I mean a part role to the admin role it's it's it was definitely the month uh majority of that.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

And then so part through the HICOI you left at one stage to go down to Wellington to grab your van, eh? So I think we're you were in Lavin, eh? You left from Levine? Uh Palmerston North. Oh Palmerston North, yeah. Palmerston North, yeah, yeah. So from that time you sort of weren't around the crew because you had taken off to get your van back in Wellington.

SPEAKER_06 7:38

Can you tell us what you thought of your journey from Wellington to Palmerston North? Like what was your feeling with the whole journey, the whole Hit Choi?

SPEAKER_01 7:49

So I just started off at Wellington, I I uh it was definitely um I was really excited though, like especially after that first league in Wellington, you know, doing that big walk with everybody and just sort of seeing seeing what had sort of come to fruition as far as like uh the the beautiful people that we had that we had met, even within that first day. And like I guess walking so far with people till you kind of get to know people fairly well. Yeah, so that that would be the Wellington speak. I myself was a little bit L uh L pre P like I wasn't very prepared for a lot of it, so I got quite tired pretty quickly. I think a lot of it had to do with just uh not being as prepared as I wanted to be, as far as like um getting good good uh getting good rest and stuff like that. But yeah, I thought I I I thought the the Wellington Act was was pretty beautiful. Or technically was alright. There's a few there's a few little things that sort of stood out where I felt like we were there's a little bit too much contrast as far as um being on a healing co copper and then also at the same time sort of racking things up and other aspects and things like that that I found was a little bit a little bit problematic. But yeah, I thought I I it was good, it was good. I think as we sort of headed, as we made our way to Lavin and Army, I think the weather played a big part with the Palmerston North section of things and and that I I I guess it it would have been Levin for me where I felt like the organisation that sort of taken a little bit of a tearing um and hearty bay will go to you.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

You sort of jumped in in Wellington at the steps of Wellington, and then from there you jumped on a train to go to meet us at all uh we jumped in one's car, we drove to Nati Tour, and we waited there eight hours to arrive. And then what was it like for you when we arrived at Nati Tua Domain?

SPEAKER_05 9:33

I don't know, I was there to support Aprahama and the copper. Right. I wasn't there, you know, make friends with them.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

Okay, we'll go to you, Aprahama. So we'll go from how you felt when you're standing at the steps of Wellington.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

Standing there on steps of Wellington, so me and my power, we actually walked from Pukihahu. Um, Pokihahu is the place that's appropriate as well, Polihaka came and to land. So we went there first before making our way for Parliament, just to acknowledge where I come from and Hodiakka Paramaki there. So from there we walked to Wellington, uh, to Parliament, to the front there. Now the place where we took off is actually an hour. Parliament, all that place where we were, is an old await. So underneath that is the river that flows. And there's actually phone numbers there that got hungry through that old river track. So that's one of the reasons why we chose that specific spot for link. Because that acknowledges Nazi Four Neke, Epitia Marais, uh, Nati Ila, Nai Tara, and Luo Football people. Um, these are the people who got chased out during the Hekinger, uh, when Runnington was known as Paul, Port Nicholson. That's also where the name Four Neke comes from. So if we translate Four Neki into English, we get the night movement. That's where the people of Luro Football, Natira, and Nai Tara got chased out of that very spot where we started to be told the one. Okay, that's what I thought when I got there. Umarati Mara omwaki orato kuyakoroa etapuane tesua papo mumato na mokotuna tite. So my memories went back to the old people who laid the foundation for us mokopuna to stand upon in that very day and night. Aye, when we started off the co-papa, I had to call in our organizers, all four of us, to come stand at the front. There were some of us trying to hide, eh? But uh, I had to call all four of us up to the front so the people who were gathered there know exactly who the four organizers of the copopper was. Because a lot of people at that time didn't realize that holy airline were a part of the team. Even though we were doing live constantly to show the recognition, then this was all of that but on the very first moment here when we stood together on Parliament's text, introduced ourselves as the organizers, and then from there, sort of put on the toku taku, which is like our prayer. From that prayer, we started walking and we actually followed the whole river to make our way out, out of um Parliament. So it was a very beautiful, especially for one who's my feet on the list. I just found it to follow the furaku of those who came before. But I but before we got to Furious, right? All the conversations that we were having together, walking together, right, they were very special. So we have a wakabeki at Mali, Yahweh Kayote Rangasira Hiporira, Hiporial, Hiporial. So what is the food of the weavers of light and others that this conversation, conversation, conversation? And so I noticed through these conversations that we were having, we were building Rangasidatana up between us. And that langasidatana translates to fuck off of nangasada, which is a relationship between land, sea, air, and the human race.

SPEAKER_06 12:56

Beautiful, beautiful, as main. Love that.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

And then from Purerua, uh, we were in Atuki. Anything you want to add for Aw Tuki and Lavin?

SPEAKER_02 13:07

Oh, yeah, I loved Aw Taki. Man, I like Lavin. Aw Tucky was cool because I was able to jump on the guitar and have a jam. And when I was jamming, right, a few of the locals came through and joined us. Like we had our elders to Christianity, some drum. And then they came out with those drums, his pop strums. Oh, that was just gangster. It ended up being a party outside there, outside the library in Awaki. Um, like Holly, there was a few things in Aw Tucky that didn't sit right with me. Um, one is throwing up to the Bruce House and place for Bismarck. Yeah, that was probably the biggest one that stood up to me at that moment. So after War Tucky there, when we went over to um Lavin, absolutely loved it there in Lavin, especially where our lift through was bad. So look through translates to living life of the trenches, so that's who the lift through farmers are. So when we were at our A Palm in Lavin, we would always travel to where the lift through farmers was, and we spent some time with the look through farmers there. We saw them doing Waka Wangatama and jamming on the guitar. We knew from then on, well, I knew from then on in that our lift through farmers would hold down the co-papa right from there because they had the right people staying with them who could follow Kawa and Tikanga and introduce us into all of that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

All right. So Heidi Bay, can you jump in because you were the lick crew? Can you that was that your first was that the first of it for the lick crew to do that?

SPEAKER_04 14:46

At Kimberley Reserve?

SPEAKER_00 14:48

Yeah. All right. How many of you were were were there doing that?

SPEAKER_04 14:52

It was uh 12 of us.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

Can you explain for our to our listeners and those watching what that part took of doing, what you's what you've done there?

SPEAKER_05 15:01

We all did our PPH. We did it again at Ashes. Yeah, no, it was just getting to know with each other and building those foundations of of creating that props for no time other than ourselves. Yeah, we sat down, we had client, we all shared everything. Uh we went and took a bath in the river, and it was cool.

SPEAKER_00 15:17

Yeah, and I think that's where really it was holding place there, wasn't it? Because other things that took place, that wasn't happening. And I think that's the of for me personally, that was the lack of organization for whatever reason. Uh for that, and the lick crew were really holding that space, and you were really identifying what what this Hikw should be really about, what it's about there. Going to Palmerston North, and that's where um Coley left and Uprahama, what was your what what was going on there with within the the crew, the organization crew there?

SPEAKER_02 15:58

We were all over the show when we were in Palmerston North. But we went for a seasonal radio station and we thought all of us was going to be on it, but it was only a few. Few of us that were in on it. So I realized from that moment on, because we're not showing our Houston front for the co-papa, I actually felt that that was when the organizers behind the scenes actually dissipated uh was doing that encounter.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

That evening, that evening in Palmson North, we all went to the Lions Academy with Dion Jensen. That was a beautiful evening there, and there was a fair few people that rocked up there to be part of that. Do you want to talk into that and talk about that with the Lions Academy with Dion?

SPEAKER_02 16:48

The Lions Academy, right, is uh, or how do I explain this, is a safe place for us creators to come together, right, and use the tools to create finances or to create something of ourselves. So the Lions Academy run by Dion Jensen is a powerful academy at Tefano. Um, really good. Unfortunately, at Tefano, um, I don't actually know what happened at night because I got distracted by a streetment district who was down on the ground floor. So um at the moment of recollector, I was a bit distracted, and I actually got pulled away from the prepared part because of the streetment district.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

I'll be honest, okay, I'm gonna backtrack a bit. A few times before that evening event was at the Lions Academy, it had changed locations two or three times. Four. And for me coming over from Australia, being there, being part of it, I was not told once what was going on, where we were meeting. And I had my uncle there with us who was driving us around to all the locations, and not one person in the organization crew let us know where where you were going to be. We rocked up at one of the places where we thought it was and we and there was no one there. We're like hanging around there for like five minutes and no one turned up, and we was this is odd. It wasn't until someone checked the socials and then found out where youths actually were. And then we walked around the corner and we still didn't know where it was. Wasn't until I think someone was come downstairs and they're like, oh, here it is here. And then even then, um, unfortunately, Uncle Tom Hyde couldn't even get up. This there was no wheelchair access up there. So I think that was, you know, disappointing for that. But other than that, the night was great there.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

You are absolutely true and correct. Unfortunately, those of us who are the organizers, we haven't had cons with who followers for lift group. And I mean that. We never had cons with followers. Yes, we did have a group that set up, but none of us organizers were feeding you the correct information to meet our correct places. But that does fall on us as the organizers, because yeah, like I said, right? We don't see the correct con the communication with you followers. And yes, they can make a thing up from Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 19:30

I think I think so too, with that. We saw a lot of people actually come and leave at that point because they didn't know where you fellas were, and they were like asking us where you were, and so I think that was the thing that I picked up on that. Like, um a lot of people, I don't know how far people traveled to come and see everybody, and they just they remember people were just like, Oh, we're going, like, we don't know where they are, we don't even know. So it was just like we felt a bit sorry for them that they couldn't, yeah, make it so funny.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

You're absolutely true, it broke because everyone came from all over the country. But because of the lack of organization, we're skipping an itinerary. Um, unfortunately, the public people don't know our locations at that time. Um, it's not until later that we find out why our locations were always hidden.

unknown 20:21

So fine.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

And then the following day we met at uh square in Palmerston North to leave there. We were told to be at Ratnapa by 2 pm for the poor footing. And then so from that time we had maybe two hours to get to Ratana Par from Palmerston North. No time wasting to get there in time. And then now we're at uh Ratana Par. We were all there, we were waiting at least 1:30. We were there. Yeah, the the white van wasn't there yet.

SPEAKER_06 20:51

Our thing was because we were with Uncle Uncle Tomahai and and him being old school and him being how he is, he thought it was wasn't appropriate. So we were rolling how he rolled. Yeah. And so he was just like, nah, we're not doing this. So we're like, yep, copy, whatever you say, Uncle, that's what we're doing. So that's how we just sat there and we missed, we missed the poor for you.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

So you're talking about that many from the park of the wall. We were actually supposed to meet the low through and enters. Now, all it was a whoop up that day because you left that money to go to one day to the top of the bed. So on that bay, right? We weren't actually supposed to go to the master. We were supposed to go to parking way and bay and one menu. Now I have no clue why the plane changed all of a sudden. All it was a whoop up. Um the plane could change all of a sudden. So instead of meeting up with the final and action, we all met at the square at the square, and then we all were supposed to move together from the square to master now. Unfortunately, those are watching the white manage turn off like 15 minutes to make people the 431. Or maybe I'll see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, because we must have forphening, right? Um, those must be no tell Maori won't say what that means.

SPEAKER_05 22:41

Right. Yeah, and I was looking next. Um to do with the entry orbs, myself and one that went on forphening out of the left crew, because I reckon them had already gone home, they'd already gone back to Pharmaki. We heard those trumpets playing woo-off.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

We're meant to have Tahu on here, but we had difficulties with the tech for him. So yeah, it would have been good to get Tahu to speak on that because he was our host in Ratana Pa. Beautiful Banaki Tanga from Tahu there. And Ratana Pa, this is created the big famous Banofi Pie. So I guess next year in Ratana Pad, the Banofi Pie is going to be a massive hit. If it wasn't already, does anyone want to talk into that or we leave that?

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Yeah, so when the Banofi Pie under I had asked Party Face to follow up and buying this one cigarette. So that's why she wasn't carefully. She didn't show up towards the end.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

So fine. That's who she was. And if I can remember correctly, too, the the the organization side of it. So as far as as far as I knew, we weren't we we weren't actually going to partake in the porfity part because there was some other co-pupper that had gone on. So so as far as I knew, I didn't actually know that that that there was a a a profit that was happening uh due to it coinciding with the Parkai 20 planting, which ended up happening at a different time, right? There's something that so a big part of my reasoning to wanting to go to grab the van at that point was the understanding that that that we weren't actually going uh that that we were only sort of in Ratina to sort of check out the event and and show everyone the the co-cobble of the 25th itself. I it wasn't until I think later on that I found out that that that it was a um puffery that we were gonna attend, because as far as the our other members of the organization side of things, um they had mentioned that we weren't actually to partake in the to partake in a official um porferi.

SPEAKER_02 24:53

Yeah, I think we're on to this too. So on that day where we arrived at Lastama, we weren't supposed to be there. We were supposed to be staying in Wangwalui, not staying in Lastama. So that was the itinerary and the schedule that Corey and I knew about. Now, on that day, uh there was a spot given to us by Kiwi Hakama to join the portpuly. But earlier on, we were in, we had already planned to be in Wangwalui, but we don't want to backtrack from our pastama because the next day, uh, when the Kimi Panga government officials come on, that was the day we actually were supposed to arrive at Mastana or that date, not the day before. Now, before Crack of the Started, Barthana had offered us that date. I think it was the 22nd or the 21st. Sorry, my date was money. So Martina has given us a spot, and the time for the 440 was at 2 p.m. Now, we have the organizers too around and said that we can't make that because we've got a bit of halfway 40 towards an event at that time. Like holy steps, that we don't know what happened on that second. We don't know what happened within the organizers for the whole schedule or the whole itinerary could be changed for us coming like that. Um, but yes, they've got changed all of us coming for the me and Hollywood like one three days. What's going on? So we started saying things like yeah, or you know, Google for phone next.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

It's on record now what actually went down in Ratana Par um in the shed prior to going up for the Bonoffi pie. It's on record. Several people have spoken about on social media. It's no secret now, so I'll I'll go into it just briefly, just for on the record for this for this podcast. For me, sitting in that shed and seeing some weed being pulled several people in uh organization, especially from the organization, smoking, instantly I felt disrespected in there for a hickhoy for healing, and they're going doing that. I was sitting there going, This is a waste of time. These people aren't for real. They're not legit. So that's how I felt. Because if you're going on a hick hoi for as serious as healing, to heal heal yourself, heal within your childhood, your inner childhood, you don't go do that stuff. You don't have any substance when you're doing a co-papa like that.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

They're just watching everyone, and I felt for our South Islanders who came up, right? Because they actually got bare pressure for pastors for 18. Right? There was a lot of people there who got precedent for pastors for 18. Now I want to think you both men. Hi, mama, Renee, Papa, because I saw the present being put on to you that you had the mana, the morals to say car. That's one of the reasons why I was saying car when they were heading around, because I was just watching the people. And I noticed that our look crew, farmers, follows included, they were absolutely disgusted that us organizers actually allow that second. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Uh like me personally, I don't, you know, I don't judge people or anything like that for doing it. Yeah, for a hip-hoi like that and all organizations doing that, yeah. It just yeah. But I'll leave it there. That's enough said on that. Move on because we wanted this to be good and positive, but we do need to brush over certain things that were that did happen. And then, you know, from there, everything just went downhill, really, for a lot of things further on from even when we left, because that was our last time.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

The whole copper itself was so beautiful, right? The public came out. The public came out, sat together, ate together, had conversations together, built relationships with each other. So the co-pop opera itself was beautiful, regardless of the organizers falling apart. But there was only us organizers who were falling apart. Um, no one who participated in the principal relationship actually fell apart. Instead, they built relationships between each other. It was so beautiful to see that people being the home in the middle of papa and rippling the equator from the inside out, even when the organizers were all remote. But they don't could make any gaps in paper.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

Coley, did you want to talk the reasons why you left the Ko Papa at that stage?

SPEAKER_01 29:36

Yeah, I'm happy to go into that and I'll sort of brush over something that I haven't really brought up. So whilst the Raupu was in Ratana, I was sort of I was messaged by multiple people from Ratana. Just being from Womanur, you know, and a lot of my friends were there at the event. There were there were a few little things that sort of there were a few messages that I was given just about the way that the Roku was sort of operating as far as from the people that had messaged me, that I sort of thought sort of felt as if everyone was a little bit too cocky as far as just particular behaviours, particular things that had happened throughout that time, which actually made me not want to come to Dartana because I I think we had brief conversations as far as if we are to attend there to sort of understand that it is that Ko Ko Papa first, you know, that this is a Artana event, this has nothing to do with with our Ko Papa and that we had we had money with him, you know, so we had to to sort of adhere to some sort of a decent level of humility as that. So there was there's a few things that happened that made me want to step learn from being at Artana without or one of them was the clothing or everybody wearing the Iwi Wakama gears. So I I felt like it was a bit of a bit of a cocky move as far as us. But then that that um that incident had sort of happened, but I I'd sort of changed my mind and I was gonna and to the organization itself, I was under the presumption that we were going to Namutu the next day. I can't remember exactly why, but in my head, the night that the Bonoffi Pie thing happened, that we were to meet in New Plymouth, so I was going to meet the Rawpu in New Plymouth and just skip the art in the night itself. Yeah, when that event sort of happened, that was the um hearing about the event was sort of the catalyst for me, just as far as not wanting to continue on with it. And there were other little things, just small, small things that I did that play very minor, minor roles in me wanting to also sort of that sort of upset me as far as what what was going on, and then when that Arsenal incident happened, I just sort of had to jump off. A big reason being was the video clip itself. The bit the video clip had a had a very prominent politician in Alterore posted within that uh post about the the firearm incident and and it was sort of insinuating that that person may have something to do with it. And so m my mother works for that person and she's a person that I that I have respect for, and that played a big part of why I sort of wanted to jump off because I didn't want to be part of a collective that was not only making up not only making up lies about an incident but also um insinuating that a person was behind it, in which they sort of um were within the video.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

That means your mother, did you like have to explain to your mother about certain things? What was that like?

SPEAKER_01 32:31

Well, my mum's pretty good with me, yeah, because there's been particular issues, uh there was particular things leading up to that. Like we had sort of called out this politician in regards to things that that were portal. So, you know, the talks that we were sort of speaking about here much earlier than the um the hiding it had been organised, sending a few straight shots at her, which we were allowed to, and for me, and so so for me I was always I was always willing to wear this slack as far as being told off from the old lady, as long as we were being um honest and righteous about what we were saying with good intention. But uh up until that, yeah, when that incident happened, it would I just sort of I I just felt like it was unfair. But my old lady sort of understands. She understands that I'm sort of on my own, my own mission, and and like she she did understand my intention for being on the co-papa. She was more upset at the collective that sort of had created this scenario more than me myself, but but we did have a talk, and and I had already decided once I found out about the incident, I had already decided to jump off. So by the time that she had seen the video and we had talked, I'd already told her that's enough for me, you know. I'm I'm jumping off. And then I had went and gone and um went and gone and told the rest of the group.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

The following day after the that video was out on social media, we we end up going back to Rat and the park back to Tahu's Farre in the shed there. Well, we were just walking past, we were just walking up. Renz and myself were walking up to up to the par there and past Tahu's Fire, and and then I think that's where we saw you, hearty bae, and and I think you were Tahu and you're like Yeah, there's the podcasters, and then yeah, you invite us back into uh the Fare. Then we just chilled out there for the whole day. Such a beautiful day. Manaki Tanga that Tahu has and the love and Aruha that he shows is um beautiful. And sitting around with the lick crew all day there and just chilling and just sharing stories, and we were doing a few interviews there while we we had that time there with you about the meaning of healing. And this we'll do this with you now, Hati Bay, because we were going through the footage to put it up in our social media or view, but yeah, for some reason it's not there, we must have deleted it. So I know you'd be happy about that. So while we've got you here here and now, I'm gonna ask you the question what does healing mean for you?

SPEAKER_05 34:55

Oh, I don't know, because I'm healed. Yeah, I just got man. That's it's taking responsibility, you know, until you can do that. I've done a lot of shit in my past. I've done it all over again. It would it makes you, you know, and if you hold on to it, then are you really healing? For me, I um I just think just go live your life, you know. Time you see the best, get your life, get it however the fuck you want to get it, get it fucked up, get it good, forget it and own it.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

Carpoye. And that day there, like, I don't know, it was the way we connected in that shed that day, and that really brought us in from that that we are so tight now. And even when we got back to Aussie here, and you know, we were still following the the journey of the Hikwe and especially with the Lick crew, you know, watching what you were doing every day was beautiful. Everything that you were doing, the places you went, it was that was real healing. Did you ever talk?

SPEAKER_06 36:00

Because yeah, so that day in that shed, it was almost like a healing for us because we just felt some kind some type of way after we saw that video, just like what's Cole was saying, you're watching this and you're like, what the what the fuck is going on? And so it was that kind of you just you're disgusted, you're upset, you're annoyed, you're pissed off, like so all of these emotions. And then we just went back there that day, and it would just made everything worthwhile. And looking back at everything now, it's like what a great experience, regardless. And I mean, you could say there's things you would change, but I don't think you would because it's just made us who we are. I think with when you guys talk about your organization, how how it started kind of falling apart for you to Colin Upperhammer, like you're saying, just plans changing, different different places, different things. So it's only the inevitable that you start showing cracks and things start falling apart. So you can't really take full responsibility because it was a joint thing that not everybody was gelling and there for everybody else. So I just want to say that like big ups to you boys for like taking it on and saying, you know, we should have been doing this, we should have done that, you know, we could have handled things better. So proud of you guys for talking up and saying that sort of stuff, but it was a collective, so don't forget that. And it's just when you're not when you're with people who aren't true or being truthful, how are you supposed to be organized? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:35

It's hard to, so yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:39

How are you supposed to look out for each other when they're not even looking out for you?

SPEAKER_01 37:44

And I also want to add, like, say for myself too, I was very much naive to sort of what we were doing too. Like so, like and that's not for me to to obviously take all the responsibility, but I do have to um emphasize that I was definitely an amateur as far as all of this stuff, you know. Like I'd never been part of any sort of co-papa or organization sort of things at all. And I so so it was very much naive of me to jump into something and not not knowing the not understanding the level of preparedness and organization that truly needs to happen in order to even just keep the organization side of things going. Um, not just the the wide wall of the hiding and and and and all those other important aspects, but just the organization side of things. And and like I also want to apologize to you guys too, because I I was always under the assumption as far as the communications were like the even the Parliament Out event, as far as the communication, I just assumed that there must have been a line of communication between you and the organizers that had sort of invited you over. I and it was a it was a silly assumption of mine, but I guess there's so much going on and you just get caught up, you just sort of you just sort of fall short. I guess that's the only way to explain it.

SPEAKER_02 38:54

I think you told me because I'm the same too. I had the assumption that our other organizers were holding down between our look through primo and upper organizers as well. So I'm with you too on that problem. I had the same assumption. Right? Does that allow you and I to continue working on the wireless virus without worrying about side of things, but I'm with you on that too.

SPEAKER_05 39:19

Oh my god, no jump car, Colleen. You are just like on your own.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

Yeah, that's just me as a person, by the way. That's just me as a person too. Like, uh and that's what I mean, how I was definitely ill prepared as far as even my own responsibilities. And like I think I'm gonna have my sort of has a fair idea too, because I'm very much I was very much introverted in times when I when I when um I couldn't afford to be introverted, you know, like we're on co-pop, but and and I think uh a lot of that had to do with to say the stuff that no one really knew about, you know, as far as um finance, finance, big things, all of these little things that sort of made me uh deal with this guilt that I held the whole time. So like uh a lot of people may think throughout the I think that I was very much um standoffish or something, but it wasn't that I standoff it, it was more that I just had this ugly, heavy guilt aid with a on me the whole time in that. Yeah, yeah. This very much heavy guilt on me, and I think it was just there. I couldn't really sort of be how I am now, I couldn't even really be like this at that time because it was just it just weighed heavy on me as far as my my conscience.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

And that is that the hiring of the of the vans you're talking about, yeah. And where the funds come from. Yeah, where the funds come from from the vans, yeah. And you've just explained how you felt about that. Did you know prior to that, Aprahama, who the organization was that funded the van?

SPEAKER_02 40:42

Yeah. Unfortunately, when the HUI took place between Hopkins Please and us, the organizers, unfortunately Holly in line wasn't a part of that HUI. Um, that was actually the moment I realized that not all the organizers are going to be involved in every single decision. Yeah, I had to pick up it during that time. And I'm like Holly, too. I felt really, really fucking guilty that I was handing over my probably not to something that's been funded by Hobson.

SPEAKER_01 41:10

Yeah. And like I think a big part to do with that too is like say, because we had, because this funding only came through maybe a couple days before the co-papa um really kick-started. So we were so like I and and I can't even expect for myself, but I felt like I was so I'd done too much and we were so close to to the co-papa starting that I didn't want to jump off. And and and and like I guess a lot of it comes, you know, and and like looking back at it in hindsight, because you know, everything's easier in hindsight to say, oh, I should have, I should have called it then, I should have done that, I should have did that. But um reality has it that I stayed. And a big reasoning to me wanting to stay is because I felt like I understood the the true intent and the purpose of this co-pop and and the beautiful intention that we did have behind it, but it was just that I guess I just felt conflicted though, Juno, knowing that there's just too much contrast there, as far as like something good that was going on, and there was something real sinister, bad, you know, in multiple different ways, and that was definitely one of them.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

I think too you probably felt like you were too deep in to back out at that stage. Yeah, and and also with that, it's when there's a co-papa like that, you've been blinded by the shady stuff because you're putting in the forefront the actual co-papa over the things that are shaded coming in. So you put that to the back and go, I'm on here for a different purpose. Then you start to neglect those things that aren't right of the reason for it. The red flags. Yeah, the red flags. What it is, you know, like certain things are out of your control, even from everything from the start to the finish. You had certain um aspects where you had control of certain things, but then as the hikway went on, it seemed to be that you lost more control, Aperhama, especially being there right to the end. How did you feel about leaving Ratan Apa and where you went from there? And then even with you, Hati Bay, where you went to from there, because you were separated from the organizers from that point. Do you want to explain Aperhama where you went? Because you you wanted to go somewhere they wouldn't take you there. Can you talk about that? And then we'll go to you, Hatibae.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

So if you go onto the website, Iu Hokamahu or Sunday Lines, the website, you will see the itinerary there that we have planned out for Iu Hokamahu. There it has all the stuff, the phase and the fate. If you have a look at it, their itinerary, you will see that after Rastana, we were supposed to go to Play Hokka. From Penny Hokka, go towards Namor 2 new command. Now, there are two ways to get to Nam or II from Rastana. You can take the 45 highway, or you can take the Englewood turn off that go that way to Marvel II. If you take the Englewood turn off, you don't go past Penny Hotter. If you take the 45 highway, you go past where we get past. I want to do it at night. I think that needs to be guys to take the 45 so we can just do every time past Peri Hakka. They don't do that. Instead, we thought the angle was too much. When we arrived at uh Namor Two Beach, where we stayed that night, I also asked them if they could take me back to Twani Haka the next day because we had a whole three days. They turned around and said no. I want to return to Talihaka and get someone, one of my family members to come pick me up and get my house to Twenty Hakka. So that's what happened on that moment. And then later on that morning, that's when Colleen came up, came to us, and met us and took us to a basin break there just to recover. Alright, that's what happened after some ideas.

SPEAKER_05 44:42

Coley should say something on them arriving at Namuto. Over to you, Collie.

SPEAKER_01 44:47

Yeah, actually, how do I start this? Because there's so much that there's so much there's so many later. Explain the um the the the thought patterns getting up towards it, you know, and and I think uh a large part of it had to do with the um with the bounty, yeah. So there was this understanding of the bounty that I still believed at this point. So when I heard about the incident happening in Ratana, because I hadn't met the team in Ratana and I was still under the the understanding that that that there was this bounty uh out. I automatically the when I realized of the incident, I woke up that morning and I thought that they're gonna the team are gonna um because I I had missed calls, I turned my phone off and I I woke up, I woke up to a lot of missed calls and then I saw the video. So I I I straight away had the had a hunch in my head if they would have felt like I had set this thing up. So when I had called up to Namoto, I was actually because we I I had a quick call prior to meeting them and the everything, the energy was off, and I felt like a there was very standoffish within the call that I had. So when I was meeting them, I was actually worried if they thought that I might might have set them up as far as the answer, because I still believed that something at Arsena had happened. I had done my own investigating with with the people that I knew that were at Arsenal or anyone that could give me a uh even the Roku itself to give me a few idea of what happened to sort of discern the narrative that was given. So when I got to the Roku that were parked up, I was actually really I was thinking that they were maybe wanting to fight a because in my head I was thinking that they would have thought I had set them up. Reason being is because my I've got a close relationship with my mother has a close relationship with the people who they were insinuating that did the attack. So when I pulled up, I was actually getting ready to have a flight or something because I thought that they may have thought that I had set them up. And and like this is what I mean. Are there so many levels of lies that had happened in for these situations to even to even begin with? Yeah, so when I pulled up, I thought that uh there may be a confrontation and stuff. And so I explained to my uh younger brother, and my younger brother had said, Do you want me to come with you just in case, you know, because I was aware that there was the whole white van and then another car load that I'd have to uh face car with a car with you? But it which I was happy to do, you know, at the end of the day, you know, we these are just things that you have to do. So when I pulled up, I'd actually left the car running because I was thinking that um it does get too hectic, I'll just have to run them all over. Like it looks as if my head was thinking at the end of the day, I know I haven't done anything wrong. I know I haven't done anything wrong than I thought. Yeah, and so I I even weighed up on my head holding, you know, just sort of panning it out of my head because these are things that you did for you know for possible altercations and my head I'm running through, okay. I'm gonna have to get through hemi. I'll I'll I wasn't worried about the risk. I'll I'll say I'll I can deal with the risk, but I know the hemi was a bit of a bit of a down bird day, so I thought how am I gonna get them? How am I gonna get them out? So it's just all these stupid thoughts, and it was all based off the lie they had that I had followed for, you know, it was just madness, but yeah. Just to give us the idea of uh the initial um meeting at the beach. And then when I did meet everyone, the loot was totally different from particular people who I thought may have thought that and and that they had sort of said, no, we were worried about you. We thought that you might have gone to Lata and they might have ended up getting you, you know, they might have got you instead. What we call them the the Benoffe Place asset. That I might have fallen victim to the assassin, and that that was the reason why I hadn't um contacted that I had got back to them as far as keeping communications with them. Yeah, that's pretty much it.

SPEAKER_02 48:20

I was not going on that. Um, I was one of those people who were really, really worried for Colt because of all the line that they hadn't told beforehand. And I fully thought that something bad had happened to Colt because he wasn't answering that. Um, yeah, I actually fully believed that something really, really bad happened to our proper colleagues. So that's where my mindset was at that time for one right.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

Far out. A lot going on, isn't there, behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

There's a lot of uh a lot of lies to uh uh a lot of layers to the onion of lies.

SPEAKER_00 48:50

Yeah, and this is another thing too, like you know, on the social media you see certain things out and you see all the comments being put out, and and uh I'll be straight up with this. People don't believe what you hear and see on social media to to what really happens. You know, you use it taking one one side of something of what someone's saying. It's a totally different story, realistically, what what goes out? What's actually said to what's actually real. Yeah, hearty B.

SPEAKER_05 49:19

So we all went to Park by 40A when that Arthina incident happened. A comment was made there that somebody was made. I I already knew we were talking about, I made it known that I knew everything who thought it was me. I didn't burn out our lift. And we went straight back to Latina and I was welcomed by TK. Those three nights were the best. We went to every event they had done at the cloud, we got three but not before we put in, and we all looked after them on and I went on our own hiding uh can I bring it back to our death? I didn't see them until they went to total man, and those four days were hard.

SPEAKER_06 49:57

Yeah, speak on that sense.

SPEAKER_05 50:00

I wasn't allowed to communicate with them, and he didn't actually messaged me and told me to fuck off home. Those words I turned around saying that.

SPEAKER_02 50:09

But it doesn't want to actually hold high deep face after the incident because other organisers when we were in line with two that we're saying the right thing about my cousin. I run my cousin threatening death because I was scared for her, like I told her to fuck off home now. Don't fucking follow us, fuck off home now, go find my fucking kids, go find my fucking walk on up and look after my kids and my fucking walk upuna. And that's exactly how I said it because people were listening to me at that time when I was talking to her. So the organizers heard me tell her to fuck off. And we didn't meet back up with her and thought to hold on. I've like there, hold on up. Funny enough, all those organizers that hey, on her header, I hugged him and put that and welcomed her back into the event. Yeah, that's exactly what happened.

SPEAKER_06 50:57

It wasn't three way straight.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

Yeah, I think a big a big part of that that I do want to add to is there was a particular organizer that so there are these moments happening. I was sort of, especially once I had sort of um a a little bit of discernment had finally arrived at my daughter's death. So I I was sort of watching a particular organiser that played a big part in um that played the most significant that played the catalyst role within all of this layer of the onion of life, and I was sort of watching him as these sort of moments happened, and I could tell that because the the rest of the organization had sort of was under the under the spell, you know, and I was sort of watching the spellcaster and I could see within his face that he there there was a lot weighing on him because he I don't think he realized the um trajectory of the lies that were being put out, you know, and I could just see certain moments that I could catch him sort of a lot of it was uh a lot of it was weighing very heavy on him, you know. There was a lot of gazing at the wall and just sort of heavy thinking going on on his end, you know, which sort of which would happen, eh? You know, grow these sort of onions of lies, man.

SPEAKER_05 51:59

Yeah, so we get to toad on that. I haven't seen them for about four days. I messaged him actually and I said, look, I'm here, I'm gonna toad on it. So this is to go against hey, hey lies of of them having to buy cigarettes and give them money because he was really me, asking me for cigarettes and money. And I put up the total on that and I I had smokes and money for him. Nothing.

SPEAKER_02 52:22

Tico, I wanted to that too, because um, yeah, that's absolutely true and correct. Covered Tucky, right? She was the only one gave me$50 here and there everywhere. She was the only one buying these smokes. Like I said, that would not be five. Where was she going to go buy me smokes? Well, she was looking after me. Even though she wasn't with our children and our hookwork enough, she was always looking after me because I couldn't have the means to care for organizers to buy my own smokes. And was actually hard to stop at stocks, because I'll actually stop at stocks for their own bankings that never stop to get me anything for anything like that. I thank you, telling me, for doing all of that. I don't think I'd be able to get through any of the co-pop and you're not told me loved and that way. And you know me to copper. But that's not the only thing he's done, eh? You taught everyone in the look through the leaves are over the middle of the name of it. What are you lucky? What you're lucky in low enough. Thank you, covers. Just because you thank you for the cousin for holding down my audience, my mass phone number, and using that um to teach our lift through and the rest of the people around. Like I found it really I was really proud of my cousin, and he put on her Nike through four times, and he put on the three feathers of Play Hucker. Because to take the three feathers of Play Hokka, you want to punch people in the face.

unknown 53:55

Who hurt you, who told you, who done there, all of that. And that that's really tough for someone hearty to be to Long Harty.

SPEAKER_02 54:05

So they got to the e-carware up and on the night.

unknown 54:12

They were even shocked that I had come up to To Longer. They didn't expect me to be there.

SPEAKER_05 54:16

I said it to, I think it was to Sky.

unknown 54:19

I'm not going anywhere.

SPEAKER_05 54:20

Followed them from there. Went to Hamilton, mentor who went to Hamilton.

SPEAKER_06 54:25

Uh yes, yes.

SPEAKER_05 54:27

That was a great start. He was already in Auckland, and I had run him and he was like, Where are you? I said I'm totally and he was like, Oh, I'm going to Hamilton. I said, Come to Sonoma first. And then we came out to Hamilton where he had used the funnel was exactly like.

SPEAKER_00 54:42

Yeah, and that was the first time from that incident where they were being called out from the Benoffe Pie incident. So that that was the first of it to be out on social media, then being called out on that.

SPEAKER_06 54:55

Hati, talk to us about why you felt as though you needed to be close to Aprahama, even though everything was against you.

SPEAKER_05 55:03

It was in Lamin when um some people showed up in a car looking for some body. I knew these people, I actually told them to leave. And it was from then on I knew there's gonna be danger around them.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

Those people that that pulled up you told to leave, were they there to cause harm?

SPEAKER_05 55:19

Yeah, on one particular person, it was at children's park, you know, and I knew who they were. They're on my course line. We know everybody. I was able to ask them to leave. But then there was my thought there and there that my husband's not safe with this person. No one would protect them. I was saying after Hamilton.

SPEAKER_03 55:37

But yeah, yeah, afterwards.

SPEAKER_06 55:39

Because obviously that conversation, we really loved, we we really wanted Tahu to speak on that. I'm gonna try and get him to talk on that and chuck it into this. So, but you're welcome to speak on it if you want to, because I also saw a comment. Uh it's I mean, it is funny. Aprahama said about him watching it all go down from a distance when user in Hamilton, and so you were there, obviously.

SPEAKER_05 56:01

Oh yeah, um, so Tahoe actually had taken off at any of me. Wasn't me that filmed it or was it just it to me to deliver it? But why actually got the Tabu was already doing this thing and we were being folded by a drunk security guard?

SPEAKER_00 56:16

A different security guard from Hime, yeah?

SPEAKER_05 56:19

Yep, oh yeah, wasn't he supposed to know? Um now this one was uh very agreed towards that wine. So I mean Tavu had obviously after a little dump, they hadn't used Afield feeder, and that's all I needed was the host field feeder because it was weighing up, and so the African pool.

SPEAKER_06 56:40

Yeah, but I'm happy he got to do that.

SPEAKER_05 56:42

And then I went back to some how they were with me and tight on it, and it sort of went back to being that we don't want to know building. And then we go to Auckland. I loved it in Auckland because Uncle Rick and Sister Joyce, they were there to fully top hour, you know, because I knew he was safe, you know, he was gonna get looked after, he was gonna get arrested, gonna be no stress. It was the first time we actually got to spend time together on that whole hiding map, actually. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 57:09

The only time, the only time not the only time, but the first time on the whole journey from running to Right Group, right, was Auckland. Auckland was the only time that me and Party Bay were able to be ourselves, Papa. And the beautiful thing about that is Papa Rick joined me, took me to the look group. Now that's the first time I was able to sit down with the look group since the half of it. So from the heart of my never had much of conversations with the look group until ortho. I got to spend a couple of hours with my lift group and hear their part of the afternoon, what happened to them, what they went through, what they were feeling, how did it make them feel, uh, all their anger issues. There was actually a moral revelation acting on their mind's author. Like when it came to me and ask me that that's where my siblings didn't, that me and her are actually like siblings. Then I'm not only asked you, oh when they know, then they go run up to us. Speaking in this language is just really natural and a brings of sense of peace. Or when I told her before Mark on a pop up in English, he got a hold of my wife, and my wife told her, right? Because I don't. I don't. So that was a big point for the color to realize, oh, okay, he does want this thing, he just can't pay it. It was very beautiful when we got to all the day and I got to start with the lip three. Very, very beautiful. Yeah, and I thought it finally catched up with the very poly too, yeah. So you're like, yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_05 58:55

Can I go shout-out to Hickley or can I start with our combination and all that thing?

SPEAKER_06 58:59

And she was also Poly, how how are you feeling going like watching this still unfold by the time they got to Auckland? Were you just kind of still trying to get yourself right, get good with the fanatic arts now after everything? Because that where was your headspace?

SPEAKER_01 59:16

Yeah, so I think um post-Bonoffee. Yeah, so I I I I think that's what I probably reached out to. Um I probably reached out to Tahu and Harty and actually had had a proper cordial. So like uh so there was one part of me that I think up until that conversation though, I was feeling really, really yuck. I was just feeling oh I just sort of didn't know, I just sort of didn't know how to feel, you know, because I I I I there was that feeling of me being gutted because this is something that we had planned for so long, and and I was sort of upset with myself for jumping off, but I also knew that it was something I had to do, so I was very much like conflicted and I felt I felt strange and like for me too, I didn't really want I hadn't really explained much to my Wahina or my household. Because you know, like it was it was like I come home and everything's still beautiful, happy, and normal. So I didn't really want to um rub it off on anyone at all and um to a point and I just kind of sat with it myself. So like I I I told my Wahina about it, but I had I didn't really want to talk too much into it. I think she realized that I was very much uh upset a day and uh maybe a day and a half until uh Hati and Tahu sort of reaching out to me. But yeah, it was just a feeling of more being being upset with myself, not wanting to continue on with it, but then also the understanding that I that it's just something that I have to do. I had to do that for for just just to have some sort of um your own morals type thing, eh? Yeah, just my own sort of you know, these these things that I felt very much conflicted about, and and and especially for my mother too, because you know, like my my my my mother works for that lady, but I was lucky enough to be able to keep following the co-popper too, you know, and and and there was a lot of things that I did like like during the mornings I'd catch Akihama, uh jump up on TikTok, and it was the only moments where I was but I was just happy to see that Akihama was still being Akirahama.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:53

Yeah, Collie, you did reach out to us too. You messaged us to let us know that you've jumped off the co-popper, and you also apologize to us for what went down, which something that you weren't even a part of or had no control of. Just shows the type of beautiful person you are to reach out to us and let us know that you've jumped off the co-popper.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:16

I think it's a big a big part of that is it's a response, it's like an oblig it's like an obligatory responsibility as someone that was still part of it, regardless of me not creating that incident, I was still part of the team. So I thought and and like I felt like there was a whole bunch of loose ends, and I that would have been the biggest part of the the outfilling that I had. There's so many loose ends, so many people who I'd only briefly um talked to and stuff like that, and then it just sort of came to a crashing cult. So I felt sort of obliged to reach out to particular people, yeah. And I think you guys were the first the the first lot. There are a couple other people like I'd reached out to my uncle Mark, Mark Tugia, who um helped do the planting and Pacquetori, and the reason being is because the aunts was very much supportive, you know. He he also drove down from Wollinui that day just to be at the parliament steps with us just to see us off. And and and he's a really close um family member of mine, so I sort of had apologised to him and and just and explained to him why I jumped off and and he he sort of understood too. Yeah, there's I can't remember exactly who I reached out to. I I thought I reached out to as many people that I had had added on Facebook or had some sort of contact with I tried to reach out to.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:27

Yeah, yeah, we appreciate that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:30

Um I did the same thing. Yeah, I was trying to reach out to you followers or um burning bridges as well, but um, yeah, unfortunately my phone was getting looked at, so I had to change all the name and contacts with my phone numbers to reach out to certain people. Like um Padufu I had his name underneath Padutinal, which is something totally different than his actual name, but I had all these little codes, like Passi Baika had her underneath, or run a Tina or some type of name like that. So yeah, I reached out to these people after that, after my event as well, um, just for other trust. So it warns my heart other that you actually got a hold of the fullback so I'm so thankful because yeah, I don't know what happened between the organizers and Uncle Mark Toulia um after that. They are for me, Coley, they are for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:23

Well Coley hadn't even met To, and you know, to the top of the meeting person.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:35

How do you feel, Aprahama, that that's quite disappointing that your phone's getting looked at? The insecurity of it, and for some a co-papa that's about healing, that's contradicting everything about healing.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:48

Unfortunately, they have you want to fear individual organizations after after that. Now, if you understand fear, these people were really, really paying. You have to take that into account of fear that these people come. Because that$10 million bounty was really up on. We made the we we may all go, you know, fuck it's all bullshit. No one in all countdowns got$10 million to pay for us. Give me$100 in order. I'll buy every me and Holly. Me and Holly joke pay fucking. We knew the person who was paying that fear, we would have done it. You know what$10 million would have done for our bottom? But anyway, on their note, right? The fear was real. And so because the fear was real, unfortunately, my relationship with party pain is the catalyst that pulled me to the house to the sort of department.

unknown 1:04:39

Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

Because I was seen as the avenues giving away locations and all of that. Um, but whenever they check my phone, they can see I'm only talking to my wife. So yeah, locations are getting less that weight, but um, fine, that's what happened there in the background part.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:55

How you say the fear was real, it can be paranoia, psychosis.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:00

So yeah, uh paranoia. So because the fear was so real, if you have a look at that itinerary that we published before couple for starters, you can see that there's a lot of talks along the way. After after now, because the fear took over, they took off all the rule. Now we only have one event per day, and that event lasted from 6 pm to 8 p.m. Every day on social media, our organizers would post a video on that page to let the public know where the event was being held on that page and what location on that page. So everything was happening on the page, and that's the reason why communication fell apart very earlier on. It's because appear was real and we didn't know who to trust. That's what it falls down to. We don't know who to trust. And because they were having all organizers of the whole code, uh, we had no other organizers of. Around us to reach out to bring people on board to help us out, to put in safety planes and all of that thing. Holy knowledge at the very beginning I was always pushing for safety planes, always pushing for safety planes because of the fact that I know when it comes to public safety, we need to put in plans in place to protect the public. Aye, that was the fear that was felt within that white bag. And that lasted the whole way, and I mean that, right up until I left. The fear was there constant. And the fear took over the co-popper. That's why the people who came to the co-popper were participating in the co-popper, but the organizers were kind of distant and falling apart from the co-popper of what it was supposed to be.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:44

I sort of want to just quickly go into the understanding of the fear part, because like just to give you a understanding as far as from what I had saw, even when we were hearing our two. So like I our beautiful brother Laurie. Um I mean Laurie has fit. So during during the stay on Armalty, the first part of their body, Laurie has been straight up all hours of the night. So I think he only just got to be early, early hours of the morning. He only just got to sleep. And right in Vegas, because it was common that um Laurie doesn't feel feel right now being uh like just because how much of a beautiful man Laurie is quite doing that because uh hey while while he was and he um wanted to protect the the big the big role with Laurie was to to protect um a lot of our coordinators, it was a good role from the start, and he really did that the whole time. He's a really beautiful man for that. And I just want to put it open to the part of while while Laurie was a keeping uh keeping on to protect um a particular organizer, the organizer himself was sleeping the whole time. And uh that's why I want to I want to go on to the process a lot, you know, because if if you if if you felt like you were endangered, you wouldn't be sleeping on the job while another man does these things, you know. I just really want to uh give a shout-out to our brother Laurie for his his beautiful arco, he has a beautiful heart dead brother.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:14

He was always the one that would say, you know, I'll come out and see you look fun, I'll come and have a cup of tea with you. No, that's not all the way through was was also.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:22

Yeah, too. Talk about Laurie and Fact, Laurie Bowen aspect as well. That man's role was to get one of the organized meters to return him back to the land where he comes from, not in the box, but as a living person, to walk in on their as a living person. He absolutely pulled that off. He stayed up all night next watching the driveways, watching, um, moving the vehicles out of ice fight and all of the fucking folks. Shout out to Laurie next, big up for me, he's got my so name, I don't know why you're not making more stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:06

Yeah, I'd like to add on to that with with Fats and Mel and Ray Ray as well. Beautiful people. Laurie was always looking out for us as well in Uncle Tomohai. He would always go grab a Kai and take it out to Uncle Tomohai and making sure he's he's all good. Thank you, Laurie, for your Aroja. Manaki for our Uncle looking after him as well. Mel too, beautiful woman she is as well.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:31

Even from I from all things I it was funny because the whole time I can see right from I don't know. And after they called it all that they have done. I'll say after what I've taken on the second so I left and I waited for the what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:29

Abraham, did you want to talk about the incident at the Pitchel station? How you felt being attacked?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:35

When we got to Washwood, that's when um the organizers had told me that there was a pity upper, a video up on my road tour, 1400 pedo fiber. And I was like, oh, okay. When we had left Washwood, we were in separate vehicles. While I was in the white bat and there, I had watched the video and I was like listening to it, and I was like, oh, this is all bullshit. So I had messaged the organizers thinking that who's your sources for what? Because your sources are unreliable. How can we fact-check your sources so you're not putting out bullshit content that that damages someone's reputation? The only reply I got back to was whose side are you on? And I was like, hey, what the fuck? What do you mean whose side am I on? We got to this gas station, I don't know where this gas station is, which is five minutes before 508, and that's when he pulled me up. In my head, this is only my pocket role here to find that. In my head, I was thinking to myself that the Harry was so scared of the follow poor that he's trying to make up things to make sure poor doesn't show up for the Kong League confrontation. So that's what I was thinking in my head at that time. After that, he was basically as soon as he noticed the cameras was out, that's when he stopped. When other people's cameras came out, that's when he stopped. He didn't want to have accountability or show transparency. I had one of the other organizers yell at me to go tell everyone to delete their ship, bring the recycle bin, and all of that and I was like, Yeah, come on in. But one organizer will go out and tell the people to delete their ship. Yeah, I was very helpful, but because I spoke to Harty Bay in English, Nancy doesn't listen. And I was so happy to see you from that moment onwards. Whenever I talk in English, right, I'm not being serious. Then I've got Uri Taku Hill, then they'll uh but yeah. So that's what happened there. And when we got to Far A, I felt sorry for Thor. Me and Flo have been growth for many years, and that was the first time we seen each other Kangohi te kanohi. Now, I said to him before the event I was at a big long hug. But unfortunately, because five minutes before seeing him that happened, I was actually standing off. And he could feel the battery. He could also feel all the ugliness that was around us when he approached us. And he could see that the other organizers were hating on me because of that interaction. I thought, hi, that's what happened, and then the final gave my cousin half to be a big hug and hooked to you in uh white one's.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:09

There was there was a um a post put out by one of the organizers later when physical altercation happened at a park, and in that post was said that there has never been any physical altercations prior to that. Now there comes another lie when the actual organizer has physically attacked you where it didn't get too bad because there were people um witnessing it with with their iPhones out, recording it.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:34

So which is great, and I like what Holly said, the onion layer of life. The onion layer of life. Okay. And that's exactly what it was, uh, onion layer of life. Because I'm all about killing the Al Mari. So in English, that means if you know how to lie, you will learn how to feel. If you learn how to lie and steal, you'll learn how to pull it the nation. Um, that's not actually the print thing, the frick thing is great. I won't put your setup, and that's all I saw throughout this whole entire hiding up was the lies being told from the very beginning.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:23

Uh Brahma, I want to ask you a question before, but and now I've got the opportunity to ask you this question because the original plan was for your fano, your wife and your kids to join the HICWA with you. And because of funding, financial reasons, you weren't able to bring them along. Are you are you grateful that they didn't come along with all this playing out?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:44

Oh, yeah. Had my wife been there, these organizers that fucked up would never have been a part of it. And I mean that from day one, right? From day one, had I had my wife there, no one would have been able to change my voice. That because I would have been complete for eye. That was actually pretty covering. But it wasn't until I left part of the deck when my wife told me, right? She said something very beautiful to me. She goes, doesn't matter what happened on this paper, but bank, you've got this, you've got the foundations to pull everything off, even if you are alone. Right? So I was like, thanks, folks, stop fight.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:23

And it seemed you were alone, especially after Coley had left, you were alone because everyone else in that van had had their people with them.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:32

Right. They had relationships, right? They had their own blood partner with them the whole entire time. Not only that, these people were able to visit Urupa and see their loved ones. Whereas in Iowa wasn't even able to get to Pariopa. Right? Not even a two-party. So that's something that broke me on because Pope Hopa was watching and being here with these people and watching them to their loved ones. Right, we laid their foundations down for them to be here today, and I didn't have the opportunity to go see my queer at Pariyaka. Like that really, really broke me, but I still carry on. But when that event went down there, right, um, me and Collie were breaking from. Like, honestly, because that's our home. That's our proper climate. It's a place for us to go and celebrate the achievement of what T.W. Ratana did when he was alive. It's also a place for us to understand the Hawaiiwa that comes down upon us. And um, it's beautiful to hear your fellow's experience after that. Because that's exactly what Rafana was set up for. From the 23rd to the 25th next is all a celebration. That incident was supply, that happened.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:55

On the 25th. Yeah, it was, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:59

Cool. But from the 23rd to the 25th, right? It's all celebration, then that's exactly what you followed the side, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, four days, the whole weekend.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:12

Aye, that's so. It was so beautiful that our lift group, like when I thought up with the lift group, it was beautiful to hear from them that they actually stayed at Arsenal for the celebration.

unknown 1:17:21

Like that, that, that, that made everything worth it.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:26

That made everything worth it. Because I've been preaching on TikTok for over two years now that if people want to learn more about public politics, where do we later show up every year in January from the 23rd of January to the 26th of January? Because those are the times you're going to hear from the people, learn from the people exactly what TW Latana stood for. Such a beautiful celebration.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:05

That was a beautiful celebration.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:07

You scared to Waitangi, and um one thing that I really noticed that I saw from it, from being here, was Tahu made it up there and embraced you up in a Hama. Can you tell us uh how you felt seeing Tahu?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:23

So Funguay into Waitangi, um, I never allowed myself to break down, to cry, to shed a tear. Now, when Tahu showed up there, Waikangi there, that was the first time I was able to break down and shed a tear. And I just covered Tahu for a long time. He knew exactly what was going on in my way, he knew exactly what was going on in my tenar, and he knew exactly what I was thinking. And as soon as I saw that man, I just broke down. Just fully break down. It was a time where I could break down because none of the organizers were there at White Company at that time. An incident happened in White Company where the organizers disappeared to the A pond, and I turned around and told all of White Company alive, I think that they retired to go back to Christ. That's not the actual truth, but that's the lie I told. So yeah, being separated from the organizers at C and Pose, I was able to finally just release all the pain, all the struggle, all the hurts, all the trauma, everything. I was able to cry on the shoulders. And I'm getting fully crying on the shoulders there at Waikaki. Um, there was a lot of healing that happened for me here at Waitangi. Because I spent the whole night at Waite. Right? The whole night at Waitangi. And because I spent the whole night at Waitangi, I was able to teach from Po Dangatila. So I was able to teach all these quarters from Poor Matila. I was able to teach these quarters from Murai Atia here in Waitangi. I was able to teach these quarters inside the artifacts as well. Not only that, wherever I traveled along White Tuggy, everyone was stopping me to learn my mantra. So I well knowing the white hungry for these quarters.

unknown 1:20:05

Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:06

For my master on the other. So there was a people who stopped me along the beach here when I was sitting with our lip crew, um, wanting to know more information about this. Now, I was only able to teach everyone that night because I was able to break down on top. A lot of people don't realize this, but some people think he went with Arsenal has a lot of his grandfather's train. And through those his grandfather's train, he has the ability to heal those who are broken.

unknown 1:20:36

Come on. And I mean that.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:38

He has the ability to rebuild those who are broken. That's exactly that's exactly what CW Larkman says.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:46

And I can um testify to that, my bro, because that's what we got the day after.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:53

For me, personally, meant to find out white tummy was my end spot. While I was there that night, I had a lot of polan from all over the country come see me that night. That's one of the reasons why I believe Waitany was my end spot. Now, because of my own ignorance and because I was naive, I carried on instead of leaving the group. I should have left the group straight then and there, but I fuck it. Yeah, stop giving me those evil.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:21

I can't just have Waitani, please can we just go home?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:24

But yes, because of my ignorance next, um, I was so we carried on and we all know what happened after that.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:31

So I when that incident happened, that's when you left Upper Hama. Like just for m me, for my knowledge, that's when you left after that happened or not?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:44

Well, the incident and 5404. After the incident and 5404, that's when I left. Now that night my wife texted one of the organizers and stated that she wanted me home. Now, in my household, Wahine lays a colour, and men build on what that Wahine laid down. So we built TikTok on that colour that she laid down. And because she asked for me to come home, I said, oh well, that's me, I'm going home. Now, the crew, they they didn't want me to go. They wanted me to finish. But unfortunately, me myself, I kind of had this debate within myself because they were no longer doing it for the people. That incident onwards, it was only the organizers that would complete the co-papa. And that was never what the pro-papa was about from the beginning. At the beginning of the co-papa, it was a grassroots movement for the people, by the people. At the end of here, there was a proverb told to me there, many are called, fewer choosers. That proverb was told to me by them to state that many of the truthers were selected to carry this out. So as soon as I did that proverb, I knew straight away that these people are not about the people that are about themselves. So when my wife sent their text through, I was like, yeah, nah, I'm going home. And so the next morning happened and then um because of Hastibey and Tobu, they came picked me up from Papa Roddy's to take me back to Lastama. So I can leave all the high at last month and then carry on to my beautiful roof. So I don't carry all that three-week bullshit into my own living space. I was like, kinda like what Collee said you're gonna hold on there. He never wants to take dump all of that onto his wife and somebody to me.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:27

Yeah, it's beautiful. And because you went to Toho's how long did you stay there before you went back home?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:33

Just one night.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:34

Just one night.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:35

We just stayed there longer because I was waiting for my clothes to dry, because I wanted to wash my hat and my t-shirt of his pocket muscle. So that way when I go in front of the t-mpe cutter and give my thanks to all the people who participated, it'll be a clean shirt, clean hat, you know, and I was all nice and clean as well. That's the reason why we stayed at up for longer. So I could have time in the 10 meter, and I spent a couple of hours inside the 10-meter after uh recording that video. It's just something that I had to do myself as someone who follows the Walino together with my teeth.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:11

And we actually got to put it all with you when you were there. It was beautiful to see you and talk to you since we last seen you in Ratana. So, yeah, it was good to catch up with you when you were there to see you.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:23

And that's the time that I actually apologize to you too, because I could finally talk to you, yeah, and apologize to what happened at Park 14 and at Customer. I thought I know you followers were hurt by not only by the substance of use that took place, but by the words that we said at Park 1440. And I that for me, I knew how much you followers had sacrificed. That you sacrificed your time, you sacrificed your finances, that, and you sacrificed a whole bunch of other things just to come here to Old Town, New Zealand, to be a part of this paper pop up.

unknown 1:24:57

Alright, so may I meet California?

SPEAKER_05 1:25:00

Thank you for your weekend there. Thank you so much. We got the focal about, I don't know, 10 o'clock in the morning. And then, yeah, we went and picked them up. But we didn't go straight to Ratana, eh? So I gotta give a shout out to Tor for having us for the night.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:14

One of the reasons why we stopped at Tour was to rehabilitate them. Alright, because a lot of strip went down or even Pokemon now. Stopping there was to help the bum around be rehabilitated because of the subset was dead. Stopping there at Ratana was the same thing, to rehabilitate them.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:30

And after Atana, you go home and you put yourself on a seven-day media band just to reconnect with your Wahine and your Tamariki. Yeah, like I I sort of wanted to reach out to you through that time, but I knew you I'd just leave them be. What was that seven days like for you just to connect back with your final being back home?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:50

Oh, seven days was awesome. I was just chilling and having fun with my Mukwa Kuna and my wife. Man, my kids were just going heading everywhere. I'm gonna be honest, my community are foody ass. They got a fucking angry ass fuck at what their father went through while on Ripot. So because they're angry, I let them go do their name. Go see your girlfriend before you, you know, just go through something, piss up and then come see that later on. And so this is. And my comedy can knew that as long as I've got Mupple with me and I'm posting the time, then I'm sweet. But all my kids are very, very angry. So the seven-day stand-down was also a strategy of mine and a tactic of mine. But like because my phone broke and because I've got no way of communicating with um the other organizers, the seven-day stand down was just a nohook. So in Dal Maori, nohokuku means sit, because when you sit in silence, sitting in silence speaks louder than words. That's one of the reasons why I had that seven-day standown. And during that seven-day stand down, unfortunately, you other organizers, you fell for my trap. They found all my trap by giving out a hip piece. When they did that hip piece, that's when they lost all credibility. That's where they lost all accountability and everything from that hip piece that they released. Because they also released the personal information about my wife. So unfortunately for them, that seven days stand down there, release their hip piece, destroyed them. Not only that, but a couple of days after that, Matthew Tukaki comes out with an email from Don Brass stating that the band was paid for by Hobson's Switch. Okay, so now the big lie stating that we weren't funded by Hobson's Pledge finally comes undone. Okay, and that's two days before I came back to social media. And I had no clue that any of this was going on until after I posted my video on social media. That's when I found out all these things. Oh am it was very strategic. My side to have that seven-day stand-up because it makes everyone out in the community spew or panic because they don't know what I'm going to release, what I'm going to say. So that was the purpose of the seven-day stand-down. It wasn't really to connect off my wife or my mother from now. It was just to let social media and the buttons there on social media text. That's what the seven-day stand down was for. Unfortunately, my site, the dust tental, but the other side there, for some reason created with Ford Ago or so when I came back to social media, I was active up. Because unfortunately, the brain fell for a lot of people's trips. Like getting banned from Temon Partner, and seeing their mom and the celebration there, and thinking that they're having a we about two programs.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:56

The biggest trip in Mark.

unknown 1:28:59

The biggest trip is fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:01

So all right, that was the whole point about seven-day standard. It was just to let the dust settle on social media and all of that. And I had no cons or no communication with anyone during that seven-day period. I didn't even see your followers like that, you followers have home.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:18

Off the grid really set them up there, didn't he? With that place, crack up. And then the one after, the one after was yeah. The one after was the real crack up.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:30

That seven-day stand down, because of that seven-day stand down, the fear that these people were feeling fucking shot through the roof now. And because of through the roof now, they were easily able to fall for people's tracks. And they did that left, right, and center falling for everyone's tracks to the point where they've got no rebuttal, no comeback, no accountability, no transparency, and the main thing, no credibility to the words that they say.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:00

Oh, credibility's gone. Yeah. My first red flag on all of that was when you're misleading information with where you're meant to be. For example, making out like you're an ulti at all when you're not. That was the start of even all that, even a small piece of it. And it just got bigger and bigger from there. When we left and came back here, we kept our silence from the Gonoffee Pie incident. Inside me, it was just like wanting to put it out there to let people know. But I knew I I couldn't do that. I just had to let the hikwai play out and the way it played out and not influence it in any such way. And we were getting a lot of messages from a lot of people speak up, what's happening? Um, how come burning bridges isn't there and all this stuff going down? But we just had to remain silent until the time was right.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:57

That's a practice of the whole fuku. And it's a tough practice to do because I know you follow like a whole look through and you follow in guarantee you follow all one of them from now to hear your testimony. Now I don't have a clue on why you never, but I'm so happy that she's waiting for me to break myself away from preparable for you to come out.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:24

And we didn't want to um say anything because we wanted to wait for it to finish. We said that even before we left New Zealand because we were getting a lot of messages from different people about it, and um because we were there and we just we're respectful and we just go, look, we're just we're gonna wait, we out of respect, we just want to wait for the co-papa to finish. And that was out of respect for you as well. And like T said, it's it played out perfect because when you let people say the things and fester, and then shit comes up, and then you're kind of like, Oh, yeah, this is why I waited, you know. And it just it pretty much worked out perfect.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:02

And as in the truth always reveals itself.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:05

Yeah. And then by the time it came to us doing ours, our lives, yeah. Yep, there it all is, and it pieced out beautifully, actually.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:17

To be honest, all the messages I got when I came back to social media and my core followers live. Wow. You followed actually rehabilitated a lot of our nations during your life. Cobbo, Father Choose for doing that, and Coley, you followed that Virginia Bridges, Hay, Tahu, um, I don't know who else was on that live, but then whoever else was on that live, man, they got to be emailed as well. Um, the amount of messages and phone calls I got when I returned was just absolutely beautiful because during what follows conversation on that line, you were able to rehabilitate those who never put part.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:57

Yeah, that's what we wanted to do. Yeah. And rehabilitate it.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:02

We all had that serious one with burning bridges, and then we sort of went and all joked about it with liquor and had a good time. That was perfect. We literally did. We did burning bridges line and then we trade collectors and I love that.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:19

That was so good. Yeah, that was good.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:21

Because obviously there's certain things that well I would like to say and be straight up about, but there's a only to a certain point.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:30

And um that I can say what I really want to say because I realize how you know we we've got to protect ourselves and protect our brand. So there's certain things that we don't want to go into either with with all that, and and other people gonna bring that truth out, which they do.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:50

Even that, hey, it played out well. Yeah, we've got to have that side of uh saying that serious caught it all that we've got to be lighthearted about it and some fun with it.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:01

Yeah, yeah. No, that was so cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:06

Yeah. Have we got you in Kohly? Okay, yeah, now I want to move forward to what we're up to now with um Aperahama and Coley doing a hikkoi that's kicking off on the 16th of March. Oh, sorry, yeah, sorry, because um Kohle's on Ramadan at the moment and probably his first feed for the day, fasting. Oh well, you you go have your feed, Uprahama will will um lead us with it. Do you guys want to talk with what you're doing and the reason why this is happening, this sequel you're doing now?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:39

Yeah, so Coley touched on it earlier, and then the kilt tech eat spout will be in the park at the very beginning. I've got a tasting high spout. When we found out that Hobson's speech was involved, we just felt dirty. We felt yup, we felt like grow popper, right to our people. So that's one of the reasons why um our research colleagues here who wanted to be a part of this. So a lot of the stuff we found and was just done. Now, the people that calling and I are possible, net is only polite. Okay? It's only polite. That's a way of restorative justice, and it's a way to pay the two for the master to that was made. Now, I can't explain that properly in English, but those of us who are probably our Maui fully understand that. Then they'll fully understand when the mastitude began. That's one of the reasons why we are doing it. So on the 15th of March, we are leaving Wainuiomata and we are walking the entire system to Rafana. When we get to Rastana, we will be raising a flag. That flag was not played here, but it's our caste, the first caste that we ever had as a nation or Tehaki Tuasaki, which is the first flag. So that's what we're doing on the 20th of March. Now, one of the reasons why those specific states is the 20th of March in 1834 is whether we get Tewakomenina and the rising of that flag. When that flag went up for the first time, it was 21 guns to loot. So when we go back pre-treaty or before the treaty, that car represents us as a nation. That's the whole point about it. And the only reason why we're keeping it with just me and Cody is we don't have the time to pay for other people to join us on this top offer. However, we will have checkpoints along the way for people to come and total for us our current meeting technology at the spot. Just as a mission for meeting Holi to take because we both feel guilty about our part that we played in handing over our to our anti-Mali organization. And as long as our optional practices of restorative justice. Me and Cory are going on this past to rebuild the bridges that we have burnt out with our part that we paid as organizers in Boko Mahabu and taking this across the whole environment, partners.

unknown 1:38:33

Restoring the justice.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:34

And that basically what it do is today isn't about revenge and iron towards I'm about mending the relationship that we've broken in the and that's multi-culture protocol when things are uh aren't done correctly. You you you do this, practice this for forgiveness.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:53

Yeah, and and like I think that the the act of physically walking to from from from Wainwe Walmart all the way to that, and I I hope that our that our people can accept that as a token of our of our sincerity as far as uh the apology can be.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:08

Very proud of you for doing this. It's massive.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:11

Yeah, it's very honourable and very beautiful that you're doing this used to from the part of the organizers that want to correct things and make things right for you know the mutu of where you went about. Your Aruha to all the fano the toaster you're in each place. I'm so glad we uh went there and done this because we have this connection. Fanonga tanga, it's beautiful. And and I can say this over and over again. It's um, yeah, I just I I love you so much. Fuck a phonongatanga with the O. Do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:53

And so with stops along the way, uh, can people just reach out to you both on your social medias if they want to see where you're at? How's that gonna be shown or what's happening with all that?

SPEAKER_01 1:40:05

So throughout the event, I'm gonna bring my um my gimbal and and I'll make sure we're going um live and keeping everyone updated the whole time. So I personally may be the one holding their camera this time instead of being on their camera, yeah. And I think I think how we'll be doing playing the the significance. Just how I like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:27

Well, why don't you say that to him, Mama? Why didn't you say that? I also too exactly my took point of next feet for hike. Wow. So I'll be waiting for we'll take a break.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:41

You don't know how hard it is just even to hold that for so long. Your fingers get sore.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:47

Hi. It's all about uh muscle memory and dexterity. So when you do this, don't try and be like me and do what you drink. So if you have a look at your natural way you hold your hands, just relax. If you notice that you've got natural curves, so the easiest way to do it is to actually have the bend. Okay, because if you're stretching your hands out to make it tight, it's gonna hurt your hands.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:15

That's what I'm getting sore.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:18

Yeah. If you let it become natural, it's just a lot easier to do. Okay. So it's easier just to relax your hands and do it. As long as you go your corneal, you'll know how it's good. Only reason why I have my fingers straight up like this is to emphasize what it looks like.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:39

Starting on the 15th of 16th of March?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:43

Yes, we're early in the morning, roughly right about 8 a.m.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:46

And for four days you're walking four full days to get to Ratana. And there is a significance when you get there, Taratana, the date?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:58

The twentieth? Yes, the twentieth.

unknown 1:42:01

Yeah. Very big.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:09

Next to being thing. Is there something I'm missing?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:11

Is there something I'm missing here about the 20th?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:18

Forty years ago, in nineteen eighty four, twenty years of life, the full phone like T Roman. Oh my god was born in a place for why I knew your matter. Now I don't know who you will do. So yes, then I I would manipulate my score as well. That's the thing I was also calling and might be.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:04

All right, I think we're done here, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:43:06

Is there anything you guys want to mention or say or talk about before we finish up?

SPEAKER_01 1:43:13

Um I just want to thank you guys. I just want to thank Bini Bridges just for being, you know, just for doing everything that you guys do. Yeah. It's all from me for now.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:22

Capo Collie.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:22

Capoe Collie, thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:28

Yeah, we do. Love you too.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:43

You know what I'm saying? I could be up to our day, I was me down quick. We have to jump with the main one. Thank you so much for having us on. Thank you so much for allowing the opportunity of our organization to come and be a part of your podcast. Thank you for taking the time to come over and joining us for a week of Silver Mason. And thank you so much for building relationships with all of us across the list. Like it truly is an honor. It truly is an honor for us to be in your podcast present. So they are committed to all of us having there, and finally, shout out to unclear next. Well that uncle Pumot I'm gonna uh see the uncle of yours, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:08

Love it. Well, thank you, fellas. We love you so much, so proud of you guys, and we're just so grateful that the universe has brought us together. And I just can't wait for next steps for everybody here individually and as a group. Just so much love for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:27

Yes, we've um got beautiful plans moving forward, and um, we've got a lot of things happening, and I know you too, especially Uplahham and Collie with your hikui coming up on the 16th, and that's gonna bring a lot to um a lot of the people around and bring everyone closer together too. I know, especially both you, um Uplahham and Kali, you get a lot of Araha from a lot of people. So that we even see even some of the tips that we put up every it's nothing but love for both of you. And um, yeah, we love you so much, and thank you, Hearty Bay, as well. You're yeah beautiful, and thanks for being with us and spending the this time with us here. I think we all should go out with the doy.