After The Amen
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The goal of this podcast is to revisit the message from the previous Sunday in order to unpack the passage even further, ask key questions, and discover how faith can practically move from Sunday morning into every day of the week.
After The Amen
After The Amen - Ep. 40: "Every Nation, People, Tribe, & Language"
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Welcome to “After The Amen” 🙏
The goal of this podcast is to revisit the message from the previous Sunday in order to unpack the passage even further, ask key questions, and discover how faith can practically move from Sunday morning into every day of the week.
Welcome back everybody to After the Amen. This is our podcast segment here at Frank Moose Bible Church where we take the content from Sunday morning's sermon and we unpack it later in the week. And I'm joined by Pastor Mark. How you doing? Good, Joe. How are you? Good, Padre. We're just talking about that. Yeah, yeah. We should have called this podcast Padres.
SPEAKER_01Well, we're not always on it, but generally we're here more often than not. So it's true. So Padres. Yeah, good. Well, we're rolling into Sunday's message. Yeah. We're deep into the summer series, looking at familiar, well-known Bible verses.
SPEAKER_00It's been a good summer so far.
SPEAKER_01This last time we looked at uh Revelation 7. I might as well just read the verse. It'll get us uh thinking along those lines. But um the verse that you uh looked at this Sunday was after this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb. And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders, and round the elders and the four living creatures, and they all fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying, Amen. Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever. Amen. So that's that's the verse. That's where we're gonna dive into. Uh you know, as we begin this podcast, we probably should have had a big bowl of cookies here. We should have. We should have had a big bowl, and we could have just ate them the entire podcast as Padres.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01Uh the beginning of the message, you had a big basket of cookies up here on the platform. And uh at various times through the message, you were communicating that you had them for everyone and then uh effectively gave them to the front row continually. Yeah. And uh you use that later in the sermon along the lines of uh getting the gospel out, but only to the people who hear it all the time. That's where you went with that illustration. But a little funny cookie story.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, first of all, in terms of illustration, if you've been here not that long, I that's a I've I've used that one before. So to be fair, I normally don't rehash old illustrations. I try to be fresh all the time. It's a good one, yeah. It was a good one. It's kind of a memorable one. It also really fit with what we were trying to accomplish this week and with Tyler, our our resident. There was some conversation beforehand about just you know, something that could be really kind of resonate with where he kind of um is focusing his efforts right now. So, anyways, um but yeah, no, it was it was good. I mean, uh cookie stories.
SPEAKER_01No, I yeah, I have a funny cookie story for you asking me to come over for Sunday morning. What is your fun cookie story? Well, we came to the 830 service, Lynn and I. Yeah, and uh we were three or four rows back in our territorial spot where everyone sits in the same spot, and so we were in our spot and we would go through the uh the sermon, and I knew you were doing this as you know, one of the illustrations. And so watched that play out during the first service. Well, I had uh involvement in both services, you know, with Tyler and the end of the service, and so I I was actually attending all three services.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So first service, we're sitting three or four rows back, we see that play out. The second service, we were engaged in some conversations out of the commons. Yeah, and so we got into the service late. Yes, and 10 o'clock service was packed. It was packed on Sunday. So Lynn and I are walking down, we end up having to sit right in the front row during the song time. Yes. And so, you know, the cookies are gonna come by us three times. Yes. You know, Lynn. I know Lynn. She's not gonna eat a cookie. Yeah, that's right. In the second service, I got six cookies. By the end of the second service, I'm like, I'm full. I'm done. So third service we got in for the third service that's somewhere different. But that's great.
SPEAKER_00Anyways, that's my my daughter and third service was in the front row. So that was kind of that was kind of fun. Where my son was in like the second row. So she missed she got the cookies, he missed them. Yeah, so anyways. Anyways, yeah. Fun stuff.
SPEAKER_01Well, let's uh dive into the text. I've read it already. Uh in Revelation 7, uh, as we've just read it, you read about a great multitude from every people group, every ethnic group, uh worshiping God, worshiping the Lamb. Uh they're described here as worshiping God with angels and elders and creatures. Uh, the great multitude you you declared is uh composed of the redeemed of the Lord. So this great number. So we're getting kind of a curtain open to the end of the ages and this great multitude worshiping God. You mentioned you're looking forward to being a part of that multitude.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And also looking forward to seeing some saints there. I mean, obviously, Jesus is going to be the center of attention. We're all going to be glad to see Jesus and see him face to face and be in his presence. But you're looking at seeing other people there. And you referenced, you know, Abraham and David and and um Moses. Yeah, you mentioned your grandparents, even great-grandparents. Um are you looking forward to encountering the angels and the living creatures around the throne? They often don't get mentioned.
SPEAKER_00They don't get mentioned, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And they they they feature prominently, particularly in the book of Revelation. Angels do. They they are in the biblical text from beginning to end. They are, but in Revelation, they're mentioned a lot. And frequently, when we have these worship around the throne, it references the redeemed are there, yeah, angels are there, living creatures are there. The living creatures as as they're described are like awesome.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and strange. Yes, epic. Um, yeah, I I am. What's weird you've never thought of this? Yeah, you posed the question, I think, while you develop some of these. I was aware of what some of the questions would be, but have not given much thought to it. But it was, yeah, it was an underdeveloped thought in my head. Am I excited to see the angels and the living creatures? I would be what's interesting is like throughout the biblical text, yeah, when people encounter them, yes, they're fearful oftentimes. They often begin with fear not. Exactly. That's like the most repeated. So there's a part of that where um I'm gonna make a presumption that we can you can challenge. I don't think we'll be fearful there. No. I think that that part of it uh of our experience, fear is a is an emotion that comes from being vulnerable creatures who are prone to being threatened. I don't think when we're with the lamb, the lion and the lamb, or with Jesus, that there's any need to fear. I think that's stripped away. So that's unique. So we won't fear, maybe we'll be I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Well, we don't think about the fact that uh as you know, we're redeemed standing before the throne and worshiping God. And I think frequently when we think about you know, love ones who pass, and you know, they go to be with the Lord in heaven, and we we're looking forward to that day of being reunited with them and being in God's presence. And I often think that in that context of those conversations, we fail to remember the reality of that's a space that's shared with an angelic host, an innumerable huge angelic host, yeah. That, as I said, feature prominently throughout the Bible and very much, very much in Revelation. And uh to just think along the lines of we're now in that space. Yeah, we're sharing space before God.
SPEAKER_00A multitude of spiritual beings with that are diverse. Very so which is interesting.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we don't need to develop our hingeology here by way of uh conversation. But in the biblical record, we have seraphim and cherubim and angels and living creatures, so there's different designations of angelic beings, spirit beings who are around God's throne.
SPEAKER_00And some with names as well. Very few of them, but yeah. Michael, but it's just interesting to think through. Yeah, I I've not thought about a lot, but I think I would be excited. I'd be excited.
SPEAKER_01Oh, what I did say so you're gonna meet Abraham and you're gonna meet one of these four living creatures.
SPEAKER_00And and when you first posed this question yesterday, the first instinct I said was it reminds me of Narnia. Do you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. Because you have these creatures that are clearly communicable, they talk.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. I don't know. And the and if you watch Narnia or read Narnia, there's it's a diversity of creatures. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, fun, fun, interesting. Uh well, to continue on a little bit on that, is uh we we talked about the angels uh have not been redeemed. Right. Mankind have been redeemed, those who have uh heard the gospel, yes, been convicted of their sin, convinced of Jesus as their Lord and Savior, place their faith in Jesus, they are redeemed.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01Angels have not been redeemed, so we don't go need to go deep into that. Other than uh Ephesians chapter 3 talks about the fact that the angels observe the church to learn the manifold wisdom of God. So that's interesting too. Angels are watching the church to see the impact of grace, yes, to stand in awe of grace. Yes, yeah, yeah. And so now, you know, there's this thought of we're gonna be together with them around the throne, and uh, we've been redeemed, but we're in God's presence. We're worshiping, they're worshiping. Just some thoughts on how that is uniquely so interesting.
SPEAKER_00Um well yeah, I think one is I think pretty clearly in the biblical text uh a feature of our praise is in light of our redemption.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00So there's a there's a component to our worship where we are celebrating the redemption that Christ accomplished in our behalf.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That wedding, supper of the Lamb that we're invited to, that we that's um it's in light of what Christ has done for us. The angels don't have that same firsthand experience. They don't have that experience. They've they marvel, yes. Uh as you mentioned, they're in in awe um of this unfolding plan that they're they've watched and waited for of redemption, and so they're obviously celebrating that, which is interesting. Um the other thing that's interesting is that is that we are image bearers, unique, and they are not, and they are not. We're the pen Psalm 8 talks about the fact that we're the pinnacle of God's creative work, and so angels, the angelic beings are also creatures, not made in his image per se. But there's an elevated status, absolutely, which well boy, we could talk forever, which is strange too, yeah, because from a phenomenological perspective, we feel inferior to angels. Inferior to the angels, but from a biblical perspective, we we are exalted because we're image bearers, which is weird. Yep.
SPEAKER_01Um the book of Hebrews talks about this as well. It's true. Yeah, first few chapters. Yep. Jesus being superior to the angels but becoming a man, and uh, which is another interesting thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and it ties in Psalm 8 right in that as well, and it also but it also has a little its own little edit in that psalm. Yeah, and then well, I think I I briefly just touched it, and we also is it first Corinthians, we're gonna judge angels. Oh, yeah, and we don't have much recorded on that.
SPEAKER_01So we just we're not gonna go very far on that.
SPEAKER_00Okay, yeah, yeah. Just interesting.
SPEAKER_01It is very interesting. It's just fascinating that they are they're found throughout the scripture and uh and found a lot in the book of Revelation, so that's why I kind of want to comment on them. And and they're in our key verse, you know, we're we're worshiping God around the throne, saying salvation belongs to our God, and here you have the elders and the four living creatures and the angels, and it's it's remarkable. Yeah, you know, obviously before Genesis three, well, the book of Job talks, references the creation of angels and how they worship God at creation, yeah. So they're gonna worship him at the end of creation, but they worship God as they observe God's creative acts, exactly, and they stand in awe of him and worship him and sing to him. So somewhere between creation and Genesis three, not recorded in that portion of the narrative, there's the fall of the angelic race. And um and when that fall happens, yeah. Well, when that fall happens, even in the angelic race, um, there are angels that side with Satan, the you know, the deceiver, the usurper, and uh and apparently there's just no redemption plan put in place for them. So there's some type of definitive um event that happens where the fallen angels are not redeemed, yeah, and they are in eternal peril, if you will. Yeah, and they they factor into the biblical narrative as well. They do fallen angels. So you have fallen angels and you have these righteous angels that are somehow confirmed in righteousness way back at the beginning.
SPEAKER_00And uh and you have uh yeah, you have uh uh end times eschatological judgment of yeah of the angels. Of the angels.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, wow. Okay, well, you're gonna be around the throne, and you're gonna see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and David, and your grandparents, and your great grandfather, and there's gonna be these creatures around the city. Yeah, it's gonna be wild. And the Bible also says they're innumerable, it doesn't give them a number, so there's a there's a large number of them.
SPEAKER_00Well, the other thing, and we can press into this just for a minute, just because it's you know, we're already in the fascinating topic, but it it is the end trajectory of the biblical story is new creation, right? It's new heaven, new earth new heaven, new earth. So um, which which I would I think, you know, obviously there is there are that we have a scene here where it's bowing before the Lamb and worshiping him, but I think we're very busy on the new heaven new earth in the new heaven new earth living, working, absolutely, engaging in in it was to be that way in the in the earth, yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, they were created and given tasks, function, yeah, purpose.
SPEAKER_00But my point is just there's also the sense in which all of life that we participate in is an opportunity to worship the Lamb. Oh, yeah. But it's we're not gonna be bored, we're not gonna be around the throne, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's it's gonna be uh And if the thousand days are like a year, we could be worshiping a thousand years and it's gonna seem really short in time.
SPEAKER_00And we have an eternity to live. Exactly. There's no yeah, there's no um yeah, I don't know. It's it's uh it's incomprehensible on some level, but it's cool to think through.
SPEAKER_01It is well, it's because it was in the key verse, you know, the fact that angels are there, and elders are there, living creatures are there. I thought I'd at least you know bring it up because it is fascinating. It is a worship scene, and uh they're worshiping with the redeemed there around the throne. Yep. Uh the worship of God that you had in chapter seven that we looked at, uh it mirrors the worship of the Lamb back in chapter five, and you referenced that in your message. Similar language is used in both texts.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the multitude is in both as well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um in chapter five, you have God is holding um a scroll sealed with seven seals, right? And there's no one found worthy to open the scroll. Yeah. And John sees that and he weeps. Yeah. So we often just read through that quickly because obviously the lamb is found worthy to open the scroll, and we get there quickly. But you know, when's the last time you were weeping? Weeping. You probably can't remember the last time you were weeping. Weeping, yeah. Weeping happens if weeping happens, when weeping happens, it is a cataclysmic tragedy. You know, a spouse has passed, right? You know, something just huge that would cause you to weep. So here John is weeping because no one on heaven and earth under the earth is able to open the scroll. So why is John weeping? Why is this such a weeping event? Why is this so huge?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, I think it's it's because the well to go along with that, what happens if no one opens a scroll?
SPEAKER_01That's what he's weeping for.
SPEAKER_00If no one opens a scroll, what happens? Well, I think the redemptive plans of God fall fall flat. I I that that that's I think for me, that's at least my take on what what's happening in this section. It it is the unfolding plans and purposes of God for redemption for are in that book. Or are found in in those scrolls, which include obviously the judgments as these seals are opened and and and so forth. But it is it's I think that's in particular why you get the lion and the lamb language in there too, because it's like the one who is the conquering, victorious one who carries out God's purposes and victory, who's Jesus. The way in which he begins to carry out that work is through his slaughter and his death on the cross. So he he he alone is the one who is worthy to carry out the redemptive plans of God, all the purposes and plans of God for all creation, yeah, and carry out God's purposes and bring them to their intended end, yeah, you know, the consummated end. So if no one else can do that, we're damned and lost and without hope and yeah, without future.
SPEAKER_01There, you you I'm trying to remember how you exactly referenced the the scroll, the seven sealed scroll, but it was along the lines of like this is the scroll of human destiny. This is the the story of sovereign purposes and plans of God are are in this scroll. Correct. And if it remains unopened, then the way things are right now would continue indefinitely. Yeah. Born, live, die, born. It just correct. There's no end. There's no end to this fallenness. Yeah, yeah. God is not taking his creation anywhere. Yeah, yeah. The reality at that point, we're just like, oh, this is meaningless, this is purposeless. Yeah. And I think that's why John is weeping as well. I think there's no devastation. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Like there's no end. There's no and what's interesting too is he I think, well, he's looking, and in all of the creation. Right. There's not there's nothing, there's nobody who can do it. Nobody is worthy. Yeah. In all of the created order.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I didn't thought of this before, but all of creation, Romans chapter 8, Romans 8, all of creation is longing for the redemption of mankind. Yeah, we groan. Yeah, all of creation is groaning for the trajectory to be complete, the story to be completed, the trajectory to come to its fulfillment in a new heaven and new earth. So if this scroll remains closed, even creation just continues growing. Oh, absolutely. And John would continue weeping if the scroll remains closed. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, it's it's a awesome.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, it passes. In that, you've already started highlighting the fact that the lamb is worthy to open the scroll. Yes. And uh the lamb of God being Jesus Christ is worthy to open the scroll, which again they they worship him in chapter five, just like they worship him in chapter seven, because he opens the scroll. Uh you mentioned briefly in your message that Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. He's the Lamb of God, he's also the Lion of the tribe of Judah. Yeah. That's a unique. I don't want to say paradox. That's not the right word. It's just unique. He's both a lion and a lamb. Yeah. Well, how does that two sides of the same parallel? How does that make Jesus uniquely uh worshipable? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's like two extremes. It is two extremes.
SPEAKER_00And then describing well, and it's interesting too because John hears that the one who can do it is the lion from the tribe of Judah. And when he looks, he sees the lion.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Which is kind of a pattern. Yeah. But either way, um, yeah, it it's interesting because you you have you have Jesus as the Messiah and the conquering king, and he is the one who comes from, he's the fulfillment of all the promises for the the messianic king that come from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah through that line. And you know, the the lion from the tribe of Judah goes all hearkens all the way back to that promise that Jacob made to his sons. Yeah, that that from Judah would come this ruler, yeah, uh, the lion from the tribe of Judah that goes all the way back uh to Genesis. And so Jesus is the conquering king, the fulfillment of that promise. He is the one who's the blessing of all nations, and yet um he is also the lamb that was slain. He is the sacrifice, the one who suffered, bled, and died. Yeah. And it is through his, I was just sharing with you just before, it's uh it's almost paradoxical when you kind of think about it, but the way in which Jesus begins to to to conquer and to to exercise his rule and reign, it it it really begins. Well, I mean it through his his life, but it it kind of culminates at the cross. Absolutely. That is his exaltation. You know, when he talks about the Son of Man being lifted up, that with the crown of thorns on his head, with a sign that says King of the Jews, it doesn't say he says he's king of the Jews, it says king of the Jews. It is his coronation, it is moment where he is exalted and established as king, it happens through death, through laying down his life. So um you know, that that begins his his conquering is through his suffering and through the fact that he was slaughtered for us, you know. And it ties in all those Old Testament promises, you know, from Isaiah 53 and I mentioned Genesis. And so um, yeah, Jesus is both the victorious conquering one and the one who was slain for us.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, his his character and nature is so uh unique in that he is he's mighty and he is meek, he is mighty and he is merciful. Absolutely, and um a glorious thing for us is we're not putting forth our righteousness to be accepted by God. God has put forward his son as our righteousness to be accepted by God. Yeah, all of that comes together in the lion and the lamb. And yeah, beautiful. It is really cool. Yeah, but anyways, you that that takes us back to Revelation 5. Revelation 5, Revelation 7, both these passages having these curtains pulled back on this uh cosmic worship event that's happening. Exactly and uh absolutely remarkable. Uh a couple uh uh questions from the congregation, which uh appreciated again these being submitted. Um one question, and these questions are gonna go into the realm of missions because you went from focus. Yeah, you went from this worship around the throne from every tribe, language, nation, and people. And uh and you went into a missions emphasis, which is which was great, very appropriate.
SPEAKER_00That's the intended goal. You know, we I started with the from the end in mind. The intended goal is that some from all over the globe would be worshiping him. But yeah, the means by which God does that is through is through the the mission of the church and the great commission and anyways.
SPEAKER_01So these questions are gonna be in that realm. Sure, more so that yeah, and missions. Wonderful. And and one question is very pragmatic. Uh, how do we reach the people who do not have a Bible in their language if none of us speak their language? Yeah. So how do you go to a people that you know you don't you don't speak their language and you're gonna put a Bible in that language? Yeah. Uh, how do we reach the first ones of them so we can get even a translation going? It's a great pragmatic missional question.
SPEAKER_00Wonderful question. Yeah, um, what's interesting is this is probably a little bit of an evolving answer too, because historically, you know, there we have uh a world that's much more interconnected than it was in the past. Um so in generations gone by before there was internet and any, you know, it was almost there were the idea of a uh group of people with no contact from the outside world that's it's starting to diminish. That's much more diminished.
SPEAKER_01I mean still exists, but yeah, much smaller.
SPEAKER_00It's much, much smaller, correct. So part part of that is most language groups in the world have um at least individuals from within that language group who have awareness of or some sort of concept of some some other like trade languages, for example. I mean, yeah, I know you've been to Papua New Guinea. There's 800 distinct languages in Papua New Guinea. That I've I've that statistic could be wrong, but that's what I've heard in the past. 800 distinct languages that are like unique. Unique language groups. And you're like, how on earth? 800. Yeah, not that big of a place, but they have a trade language, a pidgin. So for most of those languages, you have some individuals who are aware of pidgin because they interact with others, and if they have any kind of involvement with people outside of their their language group, they would have that as a common language. And so, so for many places in the world, to learn a language that's maybe unwritten or doesn't have a Bible translation or a language that you know you don't know, there are often kind of a bridge language that you can learn. So many missionaries of the world today will go somewhere. They'll start by learning a trade language. Yep. So it depends on which country you're in or place you go, but as I mentioned, Papua Nigini, it would be pidgin. Um all over the world, there are different trade Mandarin for Chinese.
SPEAKER_01Mandarin, right?
SPEAKER_00You start with maybe Mandarin and then you learn one of those ethnic languages. Exactly. You often have that bridge to then kind of begin to learn the language that way. So that's very common. When that is not a feature, which there are places where that could not be a feature, it's a really hard task. But uh typically what a missionary would do is they would move into a people group and they would immerse themselves in the culture and they would and begin to engage in something that a lot of places called like culture and language acquisition. Yep. And there are tools in a tool belt that are often used. Um, I think I mentioned before, like, you know, you some missionaries are learning phonetics. And so what they'll do is they're here, they'll hear things, you know, pointing to certain things, and they'll hear the sounds, they'll write down phonetically what that is, and they'll begin to develop a category for words and language and begin to string those together. It's a difficult task, but it's through immersion. Through immersion, it's possible to do that. And then often in those contexts, um, especially if you're really remote in a people group that's really, really isolated, you then many of those places don't have a um even a written language. Papua New Guinea is a good example. Yeah, lots of non-written languages. So what's weird about that is you learn a language and then you create an alphabet. You know, that's part of what orthography and all that stuff is. You begin to go through a process where you begin to develop an alphabet, and then and then literally there are places still today where people are going to try to plant churches, and the first thing they do is they learn the language, they create an alphabet, then they teach the people how to read their own language for the first time. Yeah. PNG is a great example of that because it's just so remote. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's unique for the people to now also have because they're they're moving from an oral culture.
SPEAKER_00Correct.
SPEAKER_01They don't they never had an alphabet, they don't have a written language, and you go in and learn the language, painstakingly learn the language, develop an alphabet, and put their language into writing. Writing, it's uniquely um it's uniquely inspiring. Absolutely. Because now you have taken their language and it's important enough to be written down. Yes. And so it has a unique capture on those people to want to learn to read their own language, which has a missional impact down the line.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely, but even from just a societal benefit to have the ability to be able to communicate and to read, it's and to pass along information. It's just a that's a valuable asset that we neglect to recognize. But I think in those those cultures, there's a whole process to that. Um you know, and and in some cultures, like I said, you have trade languages, so people may have the Bible in a language that they know, but there are places where you know people are pretty disconnected from God's word. And so that task is a big task of learning those languages and translating the scriptures. Um, but I think it's a very noble, awesome task for the church and for missionaries to do. And there are, like I mentioned, many unreached language groups that exist in the world today.
SPEAKER_01You and I have a personal knowledge. We know people who've moved into people groups where the language was not written. Yep. Um, and we know of missionaries who've learned the language.
SPEAKER_00Well, we talked about the lenses at the end of the message um at the end of the service. The lenses are an example of supported missionaries by FBC who are in Papua New Guinea in the Highlands. Uh, you've been there. I have to where they're at. Yeah. And these are people who are just disconnected, and now they have a Bible written in their language. And the lenses can, you know, they learned the Northwagi language, which is just wild. Yeah. Wild. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That lane of missions work, and not every missionary is in that lane of work. Yes. Um but that's just a career calling. Yeah. Because you're going to live among them, learn the language, learn the culture, you know, put it into print, teach them to read their own language. Correct. Possibly before you even begin communicating the gospel. So you may be there multiple years, many years, before you even get to the point where now we're going to begin in Genesis and go creation to cross, point them to Christ.
SPEAKER_00And I think the thing is too, this is maybe a little more of my conviction with that approach toward missions, but optimally, if you're a missionary who's looking to establish, you know, a church and those places, you're flourishing. Yeah, an indigenous, an indigenous church. From day one, your goal is to work yourself out of a job. You know, you're going with the intention of if it is an unreached language group, learning the language, if it's translating the scriptures, um, uh beginning to communicate the even a biblical framework like you talked about. You're not just starting with Jesus, you're starting back from the biblical framework.
SPEAKER_01Because they have some type of worldview before you arrived. So there's a worldview, and then you have to dissect.
SPEAKER_00Oh, and then you have to evaluate what aspects of their worldview can I incorporate into this that don't that don't diminish the the biblical worldview. How can I kind of build a bridge? Yeah. Or what do I need to reteach about the biblical worldview? Then you bring in the gospel, and then you plant a church, then you raise up leaders with the goal that at some point you're transitioning out of that people group and they're self-sustaining.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And um, that is a that is no small task.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But it's noble and it's essential, I think, for the church to still have that as a priority.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Not every we ought to be clear, not every missionary is engaging in this level of work. Nor do they have to.
SPEAKER_00Nor does the Great Commission necessitate that specific type of calling.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because you could have a missionary go to the Philippines and um and even there's tribal people among the Philippines, but they again there's the trade language, and they could begin with that. And yeah. The other interesting thing with languages, uh, because of the world getting smaller with technology and and travel and all sorts of things that are influencing that, uh, there are languages that are now also disappearing. Yeah, of for sure. Yeah, the that language is no longer used, and the tribe that spoke it is now broken into another language, a trade language. And so that's also interesting as well. It is interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I won't go into that, but that that's the thing. Uh another question that was brought up uh after the the message where you were, you know, emphasizing moving into the uh missions and and uh the church's engagement in that so that there's people around the throne from every tribe and language worshiping God, is do you have to go to be a missionary uh to be fulfilling the you know the Great Commission? Do you have to do you have to go to to be engaged in this?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean I would say no, not not not to fulfill the Great Commission. I think the Great Commission, well, what's interesting in that Matthew 28 mandate, it's it's as you go. You know, it's it's as you're going, make disciples of all nations. Um, and so it's an active thing that you participate in, and wherever you're at, wherever you find yourself, you're participating in this. But um, in order for the scope of the Great Commission to be fulfilled, some need to go. Need to go. Not all. And that's where I try to make the even the the case that you know it's interesting when you read the the Great Commission. So the Great Commission is various iterations of it are found in the different gospels and the book of Acts. The idea in Acts where it talks about in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria, and the ends of the earth, you kind of have the Acts is framed up as a book that way. That's kind of how the book is broken down. There is a there is a immediate proximity of our participation in the Great Commission of making disciples here. And I try to make that case. Hey, we're doing it here in Frankmouth in our local church. We're looking to spill beyond the borders of Frankmouth as we look to our neighboring communities and seem to make disciples there. And we have an eye towards the end of the earth, ends of the earth, and the and the church, I think, should have that eye in and sending some. You know, the church is the one who sends missionaries. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And so but even as we engage in sending, it's always going to be a very small minority who actually are sent as missions. Absolutely. So you go back to reference the Acts narrative, you have Paul and Barnabas are sent out from the church in Antioch. Well, as we read about that in the biblical narrative, it's a multi-staffed church. Oh, there's tons of people who change.
SPEAKER_00And they're a great church.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So it's a large church, multi-staffed, large, but not everyone goes. Just two, yeah. As missionaries. Yep. They all, as they're going, are proclaiming the gospel. But two are sent out as missionaries, Paul and Barnabas. And then and then later Paul and Silas. And you think about you know that missionary endeavor as it's recorded in Acts, you know, Paul and Silas, they go to Thessalonica, and they're there for a short while, they're communicating the gospel, they often go to a synagogue, and so they start with the people who have some knowledge, and but they they communicate the gospel, there are believers, they begin to disciple those believers, and a church is planted there, and that church begins to flourish. Well, how many out of that church in Thessalonica become missionaries? Well, on the biblical record, we know of two. You know, there's two of them that eventually join kind of Paul's team, and so the the majority stay where the gospel found them. Yep. And they live and become the aroma of Christ in their community.
SPEAKER_00But interestingly, even with that, even with these new churches that are established, you think of like Philippi, for example, they're actively engaged in supporting and and helping and sustaining Paul's Paul's missions ministry.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00Because they're helping him at various times when he has need, and and so you So they're not going themselves, but they're participating in this, have an eye to that. It would be, yeah. And this is the concept where like when you get toward like modern missions, where um uh boy, was it William Carey, I'm trying to think who it was, where he's like when he was preparing to go to India, he's talking to the some of the churches in England, and he's basically saying, Hey, you know, he's he uses a spelunking reference, like I'll go into the cave, I just need you to hold the ropes. Yeah, and there's a sense in which the the local church, not everyone goes, but if we are to send and support, then then everybody has an opportunity to to still aid in what's happening, whether they go or don't go, which is kind of cool. And so that the the church has that um that ability to support and sustain those missionaries, which is really cool.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, and that's seen in you know the the book of Acts and Ministry of Paul and yeah, and seen today.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, good. Uh another interesting question came in, um, and I'll read the whole question first, and then maybe we'll go back and explain some of the biblical text that he's re that's the the one who's asking the questions referencing. Okay. Uh, how does Romans 1 18 through 23 relate to Pastor Joe's message on missions and more specifically Romans 10, 3 through 15? So he references two passages there in Romans. Yeah, how does Romans 1, 18 through 23? That's where people are uh responsible to God, but they're suppressing the truth, so they might go their own way. Uh, how does that relate to Joe's message on missions and Romans 10, 3 through 15? And that's um Paul longing for his national people to come to faith in Christ, the Israelites. And then the he talks about how if they're gonna hear the gospel, people need to be sent and go and preach and bring them, bring the message. So that's it. It's a really good question. It's a good question. So we'll dive into the remote.
SPEAKER_00I feel it's it's gonna press into maybe some some further conversation after too. Yeah, so interesting. I mean, the beginning of Romans uh gives you a really helpful, well, the book of Romans, clearly, because these are both from Romans, give us a really helpful framework for a lot of doctrine related to oh yeah, let's pause there for half a second.
SPEAKER_01The Romans was written out of a missional context. Absolutely. So I'm gonna give a little context. Go for it. Paul is a missionary, he's he's planted churches all over east of Rome. Correct. He's now wanting to go through Rome to Spain, he's wanting to take it west. So this is a missional letter in that he's telling the church in Rome the gospel that he proclaims everywhere. So he's giving the message. And so, anyways, that it's it's a letter itself, which is in a context of missions. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00If I can jump in. Well, if I can even continue that thought, and interestingly, part of the reason that Paul is writing this letter in the context of missions for their support is the church is is not unified. Oh, the church is beginning to splinter over a Jewish and gentile kind of uh rift because of what happened with Claudius and sending out the Jews for five years and their return, and now there's aspects of that. And what's interesting about that is when Paul begins in Romans 1, there's this idea of the Jewish community who had the law, they're aware of the law, and they are guilty under the law because of their awareness of what God has revealed. But even Gentiles, and that's part of the the what we're seeing here in that first part of the question. Romans one in Romans 1. All people are without excuse before God. Nobody can stand before God and say, Oh, I didn't know and I have no not according to Paul in the beginning of Romans.
SPEAKER_01God has clearly and plainly revealed himself so he might know what is made.
SPEAKER_00Yes, through creation. Through creation, and I think people have a law of their own conscience as well, but they that that convicts people, and so nobody is without excuse. And what people do, part of that whole section that was referenced, is they they they suppress the truth that is clearly known by what God created, and they embrace a lie. And so when people stand before God, there's nobody who's without excuse. We all stand guilty before God, whether we are people who have the immense knowledge, like the Jewish community of the law and stand guilty under the law, or those even apart from the law, but just through creation stand guilty. So um we're all sinners, all in need of salvation.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, uh to even press further into that, uh, even if I don't have a copy of God's law, never had access to God's law, the the text declares I don't even keep my own law. No. So even if even if I have no knowledge of God, no knowledge of God's law, I have in me a conscience, and I've been made in God's image, and so I have a knowledge of right and wrong, and I don't keep my own rules. You're violating the law. I can be judged based on my inability to keep my own rules. Correct. Yeah. It's fascinating. Exactly. So the guilt is so Paul's making an argument, we're all guilty. Yes. Everyone, even if you don't have any access to God.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. So we all stand guilty, we all are in need of a savior, and so I guess then leaning into leaning into that uh Romans 10, the the the gospel should be proclaimed and communicated to all people. It shouldn't just be relegated to specific people, it should it should be for all people because all people are in need of the saving message of the gospel.
SPEAKER_01So as the gospel is being proclaimed, obviously the gospel is going to center on uh the coming, death, resurrection, exaltation of Jesus Christ and his and his kingdom reign, and he is king and his ultimate eternal reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lord. So that's the gospel. But even as the missionary or the as anyone goes forward and proclaims the gospel, it is gonna fall on people who have suppressed the truth and it's gonna bring light to that which is in a sense already there. Already known, yeah. Yeah, it's gonna bring to light something that has been pushed down, exactly. Darkness that has been intentionally introduced. And that's fascinating. So the conviction that that brings. So the person hearing the gospel is either convicted by the light as it comes or are just gonna work hard to continue suppressing the truth. Ultimately, so they can be their own God, go in their own way, do their own thing.
SPEAKER_00And there are plenty of examples of that where people hear the gospel proclaimed to them in various places around the world. And there, I've even heard stories of you know missionaries who labor for years and they pre proclaim the gospel, and people are like, you know, we hear you, we even understand what you're saying. We just don't want to submit to to to a God. We will kind of want to do things our own way, and uh that's just the you talked about this before, but um God is not hardening hearts that aren't already hardened, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01Like he's making hard hearts soft, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and so um so the reality is we've all yeah, we've all then Paul later on goes into the fact that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. You know, he moves toward that chapter three, but he sets the groundwork for it that all all creation is without excuse. So we all stand guilty before God, we suppress that truth, even apart from the law. We have a law of our conscience which we can't keep. And so, in light of that, the gospel needs to go to all creation.
SPEAKER_01And the gospel is both powerful uh and power is powerful to bring sight to blind eyes, you know, hearing to deaf ears, uh, spiritual life to to those who are dead. Uh it's powerful, but it's also remarkably gracious. I mean, there's no other word to use. Um, it's um grace for those of us who've suppressed the truth, to hear the gospel and to have that come on us as beautiful and desirous and uh and resulting in conviction. It's it's incredible. I don't know. I think we've answered that. That's a really good question. The Romans uh the Romans 10 also uh just leans in on how um how are people gonna hear unless people are sent out exactly and they must go and they must go with the gospel and proclaim the word so that the message could be heard and so people can respond.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and it's the means by which God is carrying out this this He's He's He's deposited this into earthen vessels and as He's given it to our church this task to go and advance the gospel. Yep.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I hope I hope we've answered that question. That's just a really good question. Uh the the next one that leads into this. Uh, what will happen to people? We've already started to touch on this a little bit in the answer to this, but it we it's this is a really good question to you, and it's preennial. This is one comes up regular. What happens to people who have not been introduced to the Word, the Word of God, yeah, or learned about Jesus? What happens to them when Jesus returns? You know, no doubt there'll be many. If they never had the opportunity to hear about Jesus, uh, this is no fault of their own. So how will they be viewed by God? Probably better, how will they be judged by God?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's the question.
SPEAKER_01Okay, that's a big there's a yeah, and there's a lot to this question. Yeah, and uniquely, I'll just we'll say something here as we as you think through your answer, and we'll we'll talk about this for a bit. How blessed we are to have been born and raised in the time and place and space where we've been born and raised. Yeah, the time and place. We we've had ample access to God's word. They're they're bringing up people on this question, they're bringing up people in the tribes and languages that we were just talking about at the beginning who have no access.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I guess I'll start by I'm gonna go back to the to the foundation of that I mentioned in in Romans 1. Yeah. I do think um no one is without excuse. We all stand guilty. Um we talked about the the law of our own conscience, what God has revealed through creation. Um and if God didn't act, we'd all be damned. Correct. There's a part of that, and this is a big sensitive topic as well, and a gut wrenching topic. You know, I do think um that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. You know, I think that salvation is only found in and through Jesus. At the same time, what I would say about this is uh there there's a sense in which we read in scripture I I turned to this because I saw this question was coming up, but like um Acts 17, you know, Paul is speaking to the Athenians who are they have no framework for the God of Israel. You know, he talks about this unknown God and he begins to talk about who this unknown God is and proclaims. And there's this uh statement there where he talks about the fact that um how you know people he made well, I'll just read this, and he made from one man um every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined a lot of periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place. So God is sovereign through all that, he's in control of all that. That we should seek God and perhaps feel their way towards him and find him, yet he's actually not that far from each of us. There's a sense in which God is not distant from anyone. In fact, if if you truly seek him with all your heart, I think you've you will find him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It goes on to say, in him we live and move and have our being. Yeah, he's right here. He's here, he's here. He God is not distant. People suppress that truth, he's revealed it. And so I think those who are genuinely seeking him will find him and be found by be found by him. Yeah, yeah, that's probably a better way to say.
SPEAKER_01We have missional stories related to the world.
SPEAKER_00We do, and I yeah, we do, absolutely. And I also don't want to say, you know, oh, just we let's just rely on the dreams and visions and not, I mean, that that's scripture's clear that we need to send people. We need to have that conviction, we need to go, and there's an urgency to it, which I try to make that case on Sunday. Um, so so to go back to that, there the people are not without guilt who are far from Christ, and maybe even in a place where Christ is not known. Those people aren't without guilt. Um God has made himself accessible, known, known.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_00However, I also just to add to that, this is a bigger topic, but we talked about this kind of recently. I think it was at one of the last podcasts, we talked about degrees of reward in heaven. There are deg God will do what's right. That's again and again in scripture. We have our own vantage point of what we think God should or should not do, and we have our perspective of we He's in heaven, we are on earth, we are little, so we're gonna see this from a different perspective. Exactly. We do not have the proper framework to fully see that. God will do what's right.
SPEAKER_01And that whole story at the end of the we'll be like, that makes sense. It makes sense right.
SPEAKER_00He did it right, and it he did it, and it it's it's uh as much as we struggle with good questions like this. Yes, it's a difficult question, but the Abraham story kind of tells us that when God was was judging Sodom and Gomorrah, and Abraham's kind of questioning God's judgment, hey, you sure this is this is heavy-handed God? And God keeps reassuring him. Uh and Abraham comes to the place where he realize you know, he realizes God's gonna do what's right, God will do what's right. And part of the way that we even view judgment of sin, just as there are degrees of reward in heaven for those who are righteous and by grace have come to a saving faith in Jesus, and we're we're judged based on the re various rewards for how we lived and served, and there are degrees to that, there are degrees to judgment for sin. That's my my take, and I would give a few examples of that. You can defend that biblically, yeah. I think so. I think when Jesus was speaking to um, he had the the woes for Bethsida and Korazin. He said, Woe to you, Bethsida and Korusan, because Jesus had done all these things, miracles, teaching, yeah, and those communities largely rejected Jesus. He says, Woe to you, Bethsida and Korazin. If the things I had done to you I had done in Sodom and Gomorrah, they would have repented long ago with sackcloth and ashes. But I say it will be worse for you than for them in the day of judgment. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01They had more revelation, they had more light.
SPEAKER_00More light. More opportunity. They had the opportunity to see Jesus, to experience Jesus, to witness his miracles, and their judgment is going to be more severe than that of Sodom and Gomorrah because of the light and knowledge they had of Jesus.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And so there's a level to which people who are disconnected, I think God mercifully is going to do what's right in those situations. Another example I I would draw from is the book of Jonah, when Nineveh is clearly a wicked nation, and Jonah's really struggling with God's grace and mercy toward the Ninevehes who deserve judgment because they're evil. They've earned it, they're evil. And at the very end, God says, Jonah, should I not uh be able to show mercy to these people who don't know their right hand from their left? Their ignorance is one of the factors that God uses in the way that He deals with them and extends mercy to them. So I say all that to just say God will do what's right. There are degrees. Those who have light and knowledge and exposure and more direct access will be judged in a greater way. Um those who don't will be will be judged to a lesser extent, whatever that means. Whatever that looks like, whatever that looks like, but God will do what's right. And again, I go back to the conviction that if if all of us are without excuse and all of us are suppressing that truth, if we truly are seeking to pursue the Lord, He's He will find us, He'll make Himself known.
SPEAKER_01When you were when you were referencing those biblical texts and you think about Sodom and Gomorrah and having a limited light, I think of even Old Testament believers who are waiting for the fulfillment of God's promises and looking forward to a Messiah. Oh my goodness, they have limited light, they have but they're believing God, taking in his word, and looking forward to a messiah to come. And so they didn't have a clarity on any of that per se. Like the c where I'm going is they don't have the clarity on that like we have today. No. So there's a sense in which we are under a greater responsibility because more light has come in the person of Jesus Christ. And Jesus Christ lived on this planet 2,000 years ago within recorded history. Yep. So this isn't it wasn't done in some far-off place and unknown.
SPEAKER_00I I lead a Wednesday Bible study here, and we were just talking about this yesterday because we were talking about 2 Samuel chapter 7, the promise God makes to David, the Davidic covenant. Yeah. That you know, one would come from his own body, God would build him a house. David wants to build the Lord a house, a physical structure, the temple. God says, I'm gonna build you a house, a lineage, a family that's going to reign forever. And when you take that promise, and David then you can kind of see he's awestruck by how God would do that and be so gracious. When you take that and then you look at what Peter says about that in Acts chapter two, Peter says that that David heard that promise, and he being a prophet, basically looked forward to the resurrection. Like David realized, all right, God, if you're gonna fulfill this and someone's gonna reign forever. There's gonna have to be, you know, he he's he doesn't see it. It's not there. It's not like David has the access that we have to understanding God's plan of redemption, but he's trusting so greatly in the promises of God, it's almost like he has a sense in which he can see something that's that's imperceivable in his horizon.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, pretty much. Makes me think you can even go back further with Abraham and the offering of Isaac. Absolutely he's he's reasoning, God must be able to raise the dead. Yeah, he's gonna have to go back to the yeah, yeah, just God made this promise, and here's what I'm doing. God must be able to, yeah, incredible. All that to say, though, today, ourselves and globally, much light has come. Yep. Because Christ has come. Exactly. Christ who is the light of the world, Christ who is the uh the Lamb of God. You know, so he has come, and so the the revelation is even greater and far wider known. Yep.
SPEAKER_00And none of this should be used to stifle the zeal that we should have, should advance the gospel, it should inspire it to be like, yeah, get the word out there.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. It makes me think as well. This is uh one of the last questions we have here is you know, anything more you want to just talk about missions because you had a missions emphasis Sunday, and so it's kind of open conversation. But I I think through um we talk about unreached peoples and going where the gospel is is not, and people who do not have access to the gospel, and a large portion of the world that we look at in a significant way that is significantly unreached and filled with unreached peoples, um, and this can be debated, but I I I often think like, well, it's kind of like they were formerly reached people. The gospel was there and there significantly. So we might think through particular nations where the apostles went and had significant ministry and church planted, and the gospel is now eclipsed there. I mean, the church has been persecuted out of existence, and and so some of our unreached peoples, which is a proper category, they are unreached and the gospel isn't there. There's no Christian ministry there. Um I often think of that in a it's a there they were formally reached. They were reached at one point, and maybe a long time back now, but that's that's also an in just an interesting conversation.
SPEAKER_00It really is. Yeah, and well, and you even see you even see in recent history that uh you can kind of see that play out. I mean, England is a good example with some of the the Great Awakenings and things like that. You had a you had a very Christian nation that really declined and the gospel kind of began to be you know, dissipate, and then you had revival there. And no, that's a really interesting concept. Yeah, that's true.
SPEAKER_01Makes me also the uh often in um taking the gospel back to unreasoned peoples is you know taking it back to them because they had it before. Uh frequently you'll hear organizations that work with the persecuted church in the world, and they'll say things like Um, the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church. And there's truth to that. Uh sometimes those who are martyred, uh, it in inspires people to observe that and be like, man, what they're dying for obviously has weight and and significance and glory that they would be willing to die for it. So that's true. The the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church, but it's also true that sometimes the blood of the martyrs is the blood of the martyrs. Because there's places in the world where the church once flourished and it's not there now. And uh and again, God is in his providential handling of world history, is uh not unaware of this.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And uh but yeah, remarkable.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's great. And that's also a a significant feature of the book of Revelation, you know, of those who've suffered and died. Oh, yeah. There is a end time vindication they're awaiting.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, how long, oh Lord, how long before you do right. Anything else you want to talk about missions? Uh we had um Tyler Rich has been a missionary resident here for the last year and a half. Yep. Um, he's heading off for training here soon. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we're excited about that. I think the idea of residency in general, we are really love our residency kind of program here. I think, you know, part of what I try to communicate is that that I hope that from a missions resident standpoint that he is not our last by any means. I hope that there are more. In fact, I potentially have a conversation with somebody this week who sticks to one of the talk to me about missions, and they're really challenged by it on Sunday. And so they want to explore that. So I hope that that becomes a regular conversation that we have here where people begin to explore that. And I think I talked about praying for that. I mean, you have put in on, I know a lot of work, and we've had a phenomenal missions committee who served for many years, but we're we've looked to do some re-kind of structuring and engineering of what that looks like as we move toward the future, of having kind of a focus um a little more clear on specifically what that missions lane looks like and where we're trying to go there.
SPEAKER_01And so missions, missions partnership, ministry partnerships, we get focused on those in good ways so that it flourishes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So so our our involvement as a church is not just directly connected to what the ministries we oversee, but we have partners and we have missionaries we support. Yeah. And it's cool to see um the resources here at Frankenmouth Bible Church, whether it's financial resources or whether it's people serving or contributing in other ways, um, happening outside of the walls of the church. And so I'm I'm excited as we look toward the future. You know, we our vision is to see people connected life change in the church multiplied. And uh certainly we want to actively be involved in that, but we also want to have partners around the world who are laboring to see the church multiplied. That's part of our scope and our goal, you know, I think long term.
SPEAKER_01And we have we have missionaries and we have missionary partners or ministry partners um in unreached places.
SPEAKER_00We do.
SPEAKER_01And in places we're reached, and they're discipling believers in that context to flourish in those contexts. I mean, partner with them well. Yeah, really good. I I'll I'll um applaud uh Tyler one more time. We you know prayed for him Sunday morning. It was it was good to send him off and as he heads to training this next week. But uh he's our first our first missionary resident and a good bun. Right. He's he's just uh to to get that program going. He's uh he's a good first one.
SPEAKER_00He's awesome. Yeah, he's been great, and we're gonna we're gonna miss him, but we'll we'll see him again. So that's good. For sure.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, we actually we plan to see him in um he'll be home for Christmas over the holidays. So have some mission stuff going on at that time, too. Yeah. Well, I know this coming Sunday, uh obviously every week we're looking at a familiar verse, uh, a famous no, a well-known verse. I know this Sunday is the uh Matthew 11, 28.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_01And uh yeah, all you are weary and I'll give you rest. So I'm looking forward to that message. So that's this Sunday. Yeah, we'll look forward to that. So well, it's been a good conversation. Appreciate the message, another good uh message in the series. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_00Appreciate the conversation, and uh, I appreciate everybody who's been tuning in uh for today and for the podcast. We hope to see you next week.