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Maine-lining the Texas Senate Race and Closing Time - Episode 38
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The guys discuss developments in the U.S. Senate race in Texas, including gaudy fundraising numbers and the Platner implications, along with the rip-roaring debate over closed primaries.
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SPEAKER_01So today we're going to talk about the US Senate race, of course. I mean, it seems to be obviously the biggest thing on anybody's mind. Uh, and there's even some implications being had from uh not across the pond, but across the continent, uh up in ye old Maine. And you ever been to Maine? I have. Really? I had family that lived in Maine. Wow. They still do, but uh, we haven't been up there in a long time. Wow. Beautiful state. Uh, and then we've got, let's see, uh closed primaries. We'll talk about that, of course. Uh, there's been a few developments on that end. And then I think the thing that everyone wants to hear about is your weekend at the horse racing track in Fredericksburg.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Be a rip-roaring good time as it was for you.
SPEAKER_00It was it was. A lot of people probably had good time, but I think I had the best.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well, first let's let's get to the the Senate race. I mean, the big news that happened this week in terms of the candidates in the this race specifically was fundraising numbers dropped and it showed or at least teased. Teased. Um the the top line totals were put out. And of course, as you know, we've got to stipulate.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01You know, what uh what's the burn rate? Of course, both candidates, another candidate put out their cash on hand, which I think will be interesting to see uh in both directions. The burn rate is how much they burn through of that money, how much they spend of that money that they brought in during this quarter. Uh but the top line numbers showed a ton of money coming in. First, it was Paxton that released his uh nine million dollars. He said he raised in the second quarter. Uh, I think more than half of which came after the runoff. And the second quarter spans from uh, I believe, April through the end of June. Uh so that is the time frame. Of course, the uh the the runoff occurred May 26th, so about not quite, but halfway in the middle uh time-wise, and uh more than half of what Paxson brought in came in after that victory over John Cornyn, which tracks, right? I mean, that's when the the enthusiasm happens for whoever the key winner is of that runoff. Uh, you know, James Talerico got a bump after he won the the Senate primary back in March. It's just the natural swing of things, as consultants call it, it's the easy money. Uh after this, it's gonna be more difficult, uh, especially once you hit all those or a lot of those um uh more frequent donors and they hit the the caps for contributions. So uh that's uh you know it's a pretty big pretty good haul for for Paxton. It's uh his largest fundraising period ever, I believe, right? And then also uh it is the it was funny how many uh descriptors they added onto this, but you know, it's still a large haul. The the most dollars raised by non-incumbent Republican U.S. Senate candidate this cycle. Still something to hang your hat on, but it's not like it's the that is indeed technically, I think, probably correct. Yes. I I mean it was no no reason not to believe him at the moment, but um we'll see what his burn rate is on that. And of course, once he dropped his numbers, the speculation was how much money is Tal Rico gonna report?
SPEAKER_00Paxton, who's generally not considered a like brilliant fundraiser, brought in nine million. How much did Talerico, the the you know, darling great blue hope of the nation, bring in? And it's uh a little later, after five o'clock.
SPEAKER_01They weren't gonna release it uh on what was the yesterday Wednesday, uh, but then they saw the Paxton number and what was coming out, like what the the media it was dredging up. So they quickly put together their uh top line finance report, and it was thirty million dollars. I will say uh before that was dropped, uh another friend of ours asked me what I thought it was gonna be, and I said, I bet it's gonna be 40 million. Didn't quite get to that level, but he fell about 10 million short, which is still a massive haul. Yeah uh it's the single, I think the single largest amount ever raised uh or raised in this in this cycle so far by a a US Senate candidate. And it I think it's also interesting to note that one third of that came just in the month of May, just on Act Blue, which is the small dollar donation platform. So Tel Rico is showing a a ma a very good proclivity for raising money. And he especially small dollar in the vein of Bernie Sanders, and this is not new. We've seen him do this the entire time he's been in the race. But Democrats, of course, lean on that a lot more than Republicans do. Um and man, he's seems to be maxing it out. It's just a wild amount of money. But he's gonna need it, you know. Um and of course uh, you know, with with Tal Rico, one thing I'm gonna be watching, especially once the reports actually come out next week. Not just the burn rate, you know, I'm sure they have a healthy number on hand, but I want to see how much money they have spent, I bet it's a lot, uh prospecting for digital fundraising. I've seen that in past reports.
SPEAKER_00And it was a very high amount that they spent on that.
SPEAKER_01Very high amount. But this would be the the report where we see that to go one of two directions. Either the money they have spent early on on that has paid off, and now they're having to spend less and less to get more and more, or they're continuing to have to pay a lot of money on digital fundraising. And um it it's a bet they're they're making it's gonna pay off, or it's not, and I think we'll start to get a better picture of that right now.
SPEAKER_00Did you see that thing that um Braddock put out about him Talarico sending money to other candidates? Yep. What is what does that indicate to you? So it was um I believe like a hundred K to Hinahosa?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, a quarter mil to the House Democratic Campaign Committee, and then ten thousand dollars to do you recall what ten thousand dollars to a bunch of different other statewides and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, other statewide candidates. Directing money from his campaign to other campaigns to prop them up.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I think that shows a good strategy on his part because he can't be the only one carrying the load.
SPEAKER_00Which we've seen Republicans really message everybody against Talarico. Yeah. You know, there's Abbott won't even let Gene Hina Hos's name come out of his mouth. Um it's all anti-Talarico, anti-Taler Rico. Almost up and down the ballot. You'll get some of those, you know, lower guy, like Bo French will send a shot at Rosenthal now and then, but he also likes attacking anybody, basically. Um attack pack. He he'd he'd be he would pay attack pack a lot of money, probably. Yeah, probably. Um good good uh what do you call that? What do you call somebody who pays people to do work for you? I don't know what you're talking about. Well we're moving on. Um is actually coffee today because I'm so tired and like not been sleeping very much.
SPEAKER_01Well, that sounds like a you problem.
SPEAKER_00Um I certainly wasn't blaming anybody else for it, Brad.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I just wanted to make sure. Uh but yeah, it tells me that Tal Rico A is being a team player and is trying to uh be that rising tide that lifts all boats, but not just indirectly, he's trying to do it directly as well. Um I think that'll that'll make people happy. Um because of course, you know, as Ted Cruz found out in 2018, uh with the whole sign yard sign debacle when they decided not to spend money on uh yard signs or more money on yard signs, and then people ran out of yard signs, it caused a whole fury uh because people, it was the yard sign wars with Beto having it uh signs everywhere and at so many different yards, uh, and the cruise people wanted to counteract that. And so they had this uh problem develop because this this internal fury uh among their own supporters because they decided to make what I would say strategically is the right decision and put that money elsewhere to where it's more useful. But it was a double-edged sword because it it caused a problem that came back and hit them in the face that they had to deal with and spend time and resources on that they probably wouldn't have had to had they just done put the money towards more yard signs and not that problem not developed for them. Um uh but uh yard signs not as big of a deal this cycle, seemingly. No, no. I mean maybe it becomes that. We'll s we'll find out. But the um this isn't something along those lines of trying to appease people in your own camp and uh strategically it makes sense, but also it it's it's a hey, please don't get mad at me kind of thing as well.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, do you think it indicates that these other democratic candidates have not been raising very much money at all?
SPEAKER_01I think that's probably a good assessment too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um and I wonder how those conversations went down. Yeah. It was, hey, you need to split up the pot here. We need to redistribute this wealth, so.
SPEAKER_01Um Well, and you know, another thing I'm watching for next week, and and we'll see on whatever the day the the fifteenth is, that's the filing deadline. And we'll see everybody's because this is a on the state level, this is a semi-annual report. And so people like the Speaker of the House, who did not have a primary, did not have to file.
SPEAKER_00I started getting all nervous thinking about, oh my gosh, state and federal, like we're gonna be up all night. And then I remembered we have a wonderful campaign finance tool on Texas Bullpen's website. That's another big reason why you should subscribe. It's just right up there at the top. Gets you everything, immediately breaks it down to where you don't have to go through all of the effort of searching through the the FEC and TEC filings like we used to do manually back in the olden days when we were young whippersnappers and starting this. Yeah. All six months ago.
SPEAKER_01That also reminds me we have almost hit our sixth month.
SPEAKER_00I know. I think actually, won't it be so tomorrow it will be Sunday, I think. Sunday, the twelfth. Sunday is it's our six-month anniversary, right?
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh. It feels like it has both been gone by so fast and gone by so slow.
SPEAKER_00It feels like it's been years. Yeah. Years. I can't remember what life was like before we started this. I mean, it has been entirely all consuming. Um but fun. But fun. I mean, I I wouldn't have done that. Wouldn't have done this with uh anybody else, Brad. Because you're the only one that forced me to do this.
SPEAKER_01It warms the cockles of my heart, Richie. Did I say that one correctly?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Yes. Much better than the last time you tried to say that.
SPEAKER_01Um so yeah, check it out. When the finance reports come in, it will be everybody. Everybody has to file, uh federal and state. So there's a lot of stuff. There will be a lot of good nuggets in there. Um But what I what led me to this was uh Texas Majority Pack. They have been saying that they'll have $30 million with which to play. I think we talked about that a bit when I when we discussed the Democratic Convention. Uh but is it there? Is that money real? There's there's there's skepticism among Democrats that it's not that much. And we'll find out for sure. We'll find out how much TLR has. We'll find out how much the Dunpacks have. We'll find out Abbott, of course. You know, all everybody has to file. We'll get a huge the best picture we'll get of the financial state of play all year because even as we get into it.
SPEAKER_00I can tell you're really excited about this. You do love you do love campaign finance.
SPEAKER_01I do. But it does like you can actually uh it's it's very interesting to find to connect dots and see where who's spending money where, what pop-up packs we have that are all of a sudden getting involved in whatever race, what that means behind the scenes, why it's happening. Um, and another good example. Does the oil and gas industry get behind Bo French? We'll find out. Um, at least in terms of uh if there are contributions made. Uh John Rosenthal has been appealing to the we talked about this last week, appealing to the oil and gas industry. Do they give him money? Where there's just so much so much intrigue.
SPEAKER_00It would be our best finger in the wind on how things are are going behind the scenes. Um will we see will people who got beat in like will John Cornyn have to file something? Even though he's not in the race anymore. Yeah. So we'll see what what he was left over with, which will be interesting. You know, if he had left uh some things in the chamber, Jasmine Crockett will she transfer all of her money to the fire pack?
SPEAKER_01That would be interesting. Who's she spending money on?
SPEAKER_00Um Jasmine Crockett, who continues to be a thorn in Talarico's side.
SPEAKER_01Why is that?
SPEAKER_00I'm so glad you asked. Yeah, tell me that. I'm so glad you asked. Thank you. Um over the July 4th weekend, instead of going horse racing, she was out at a conference in New Orleans, and while speaking on a panel, she had very um harsh words for her own book.
SPEAKER_01What is this conference, by the way?
SPEAKER_00Um it was called the Essence of Culture Conference. Uh I I think it's kind of like a uh I'm not exactly sure. It was sponsored by Coca-Cola, which I thought was funny. Um had like a whole bunch of musicians and things like that there too. Uh but during this panel, uh she has very harsh words for the Democrat Party on issues of race and things of that nature. She this got uh probably more headlines nationally, but it was very big on like uh racial grievances. You know, she was asked what does America owe uh black women, and she said everything that made some some headlines on Fox and stuff. But what was more interesting was her uh comments about the Texas Senate race. And these they were very much in line with what she had said over the Juneteenth weekend in that 20-minute uh uh video about like I am not going to be campaigning with Talarico, and Taler Rico has kind of come out with similar lines saying, I'm the one who's campaigning, she uh doesn't have to, and you know, that's not an expectation. But a lot of people were asking her that, and she was getting very upset about it. During this conference over the weekend, she says, you know, I don't know why people expect me to be standing up on stage. I'm not gonna hold James Tallerico's hand. What I am gonna do for him is I'm gonna support down ballot uh black candidates because that will give more people more reasons to turn out the vote because James Tallerico is just somebody some people won't vote for in Texas. But if there's, you know, her argument, if there's a black candidate on the ballot, then that will uh get that demographic to come out for the ticket, even if they wouldn't have come out for James Tallerico. Uh and then she at the end just says flat out, it was a race like between her and Talo Rico, it was a racist race. And so she blamed that the racism in the Democratic Party and in Texas and America more generally for her loss in it, um, which was immediately picked up by the uh Paxon campaign and blasted out there. And it it it was a big thing that we were looking at at the Democratic Convention, you know, how is this and and Talerco has uh made a very big point of reaching out to the African American community in Texas and you know, going and campaigning uh in those parts of the state? Uh it was one of the things that he was asked about out in East Texas at that Nacadoshius event I was at, because East Texas was a big area that Jasmine Crockett won. You know, how is he going to uh bridge that that gap there with a very important and vital component of the Democratic coalition? Um and it's something I think uh they're probably sweating about over there. And of course Jasmine Crockett's not helping continued comments are not necessarily giving them any reason to sleep more soundly at night. They're 'cause if that demographic doesn't show up, that's it for probably Salarico's race and and probably everybody downstream too.
SPEAKER_01Trevor Burrus The only way that it it wouldn't is if somehow they managed to really run away with the crossover independent vote. But in that New York I we might have mentioned this last week, but the New York Times poll that came out uh last week or or the week before, one of the problems for Talarico in that, yes, the top line showed him in Paxton neck and neck at 47. Virtually tied. Statistically tied. That drives me nuts. Um actually, in that regard, it's probably the most accurate because they are literally neck and neck in percentage. Uh but the way margin of error works, where it can either go up or down neck and neck.
SPEAKER_00That's a horse racing term.
SPEAKER_01Oh, we'll get calm calm yourself. We'll get there. Okay. Sorry.
SPEAKER_00All the only thing that goes through my mind anymore is just horses. Entirely obsessed.
SPEAKER_01You count horses, not sheep now? Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe you should try sheep again.
SPEAKER_00I was kicking myself. I haven't tried counting farm animals in a long time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Maybe I'll help you sleep.
SPEAKER_00I'm going to start doing it right now and pass out on camera.
SPEAKER_01Um what was I saying? Um yeah, the poll. So the New York Times poll. Uh the among independents, uh the the numbers weren't great. There was still a ton of undecided for Tal Rico. And the reason like yes, conceivably that large per I forget the exact percent, but that large percent swings wholly to Tal Rico. Sure, that is possible, but it's not likely. It never happens. Uh and frankly, it's not going to happen. Paxton, some of those probably a large number of those undecideds are going to just naturally go back to the Republican ticket because that they're Republican-leaning independents. They always go back that way.
SPEAKER_00There hasn't been like any negative ads put up on TV. No negative ads, of course. Um, as we talked about before. Trevor Burrus, Jr. I think probably the Pax analysis is even that independent vote that Cesar in Talerico's camp is probably soft support that could be won back.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And um you know, there's a lot up in the air right now, especially at the macro level. Who knows what the Iran war looks like in September and October? Who knows what the economy looks like? Who knows what it looks like. I just got an alert that the U.S. bomb 900. It's back up in 90 defense. Back on. It's Schrdinger's War. I know.
SPEAKER_00Um but always kick myself not buying defense stocks. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01We got Lockheed Martin right here in Texas, up in Fort Worth. Come on, get with the program.
SPEAKER_00Should have bought it when we were talking to that guy down in uh the corpus. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01That just absolute wild dude.
SPEAKER_00Um That little that little contraption that he was showing us was pretty cool. But was it uh it was kind of like the um it was kind of like a forklift, but for planes.
SPEAKER_01Um It was this guy who was attending the Democratic convention. Just a a normal, at least mostly normal dude, but then he started spouting off just absolutely wild stuff, and we're sitting there like, oh my god. And he works at Lockheed Martin, he's just a an airplane mechanic. Yeah, yeah. Typically a normal guy, and then he's just got these insane conspiracy theories.
SPEAKER_00We should have we should do set up like a tenfold debate series where we get where we go to boat conventions, scoop up the most fun, interesting, wild uh conjectures, put them in a room and and see what type of whiteboard they walk out with.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I wonder how many we'd have to do before we get someone who is uh carrying the banner of the John Quincy Adams conspiracy theory about the mole people living beneath the earth, the surface of the earth. Probably not too far. Not too far. Um but anyway, so uh that poll, and again it's one poll, but it shows some some uh uh problems for Talarico going forward, even if at the top level he's pulling fairly well, pretty well against Paxton. Um so we'll see on that.
SPEAKER_00But a lot of race left. A lot of race left.
SPEAKER_01A lot of race left. Uh we there is one more component about this that we should talk about, and that's Graham Platner dropping out.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Uh breaking Right, that's what you started with up in Maine, and then I asked you, have you ever been to Maine?
SPEAKER_01And then we just on the podcast, but you know what? It adds flavor. God forbid a guy likes a scenic route. I know. I know you can go see more cows that way.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you can maybe horses too.
SPEAKER_01No, we'll give it a second. Um Plantiner. Platiner, go ahead. Platiner. Platiner, it's not planter. Graham Plattner.
SPEAKER_00It doesn't matter anymore. He dropped out.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So Graham Cracker up there in Maine uh had um probably taken a lot of fire off of Paxton as the most uh scandal-ridden candidate in the country. Yeah. Just, I mean, hit week after week by national expose into uh seemingly, you know, all allegations he's denied of uh like sexual assaults, um physical violence against uh people he was seeing at the time. This was also the guy with a Nazi tattoo on his chest running against uh Susan Collins up there. Um then didn't he get it like covered over? Yeah, he got it covered later. Um and so there's just been a how did we even know that he had that? Because there are pictures.
SPEAKER_01And when was he taking his shirt off in front of camera?
SPEAKER_00Oh, I think quite a bit, actually. Oh yeah. Um That's kind of weird.
SPEAKER_01It should be a red flag for a second.
SPEAKER_00Well, like I wait, uh what you go swimming with your shirt on, Brad?
SPEAKER_01No, but I also don't do that in front of cameras.
SPEAKER_00We're also not running for Senate. I don't know what to tell you, man. Uh anyway, continue. People have yeah, you ever go fishing and take a picture of like yeah, whatever. Anyways, I don't either. I mean, I don't I'm not there aren't you got something to tell us, Richie? There aren't a lot of pictures of me out there with uh my shirt on. Yeah. Um moving on, you got like a third degree burn. Yeah, I did. But most just my legs. Okay. Um, Brad, now you're Mr. D Tier. You're right. Well, I'm trying to keep us on track. Um anyways, he dropped out. But this has some major implications for democratic national strategy. Uh they have not picked a replacement yet. There's gonna be, I think, a convention, uh like a 600-person convention up in Maine, which I thought was very quaint. Uh you know, those smaller states, they do things particularly up in the northeast. Yeah, they do things a little different. It seems a little like older, more akin to the the kind of like founding idea of like let's actually have a convention and let's all you know.
SPEAKER_01You ever seen this uh Death by Lightning? I personally know. It's uh it's a move it's a Netflix show. Oh, okay. It's about uh who is it? Um Garfield, James Garfield and how he ascended to the presidency. And the first episode of it is a nominating convention like Yeolden Days, because this is about Ye Olden Days, uh, and it was really good. So if you're into that kind of uh specially political dramatized history, I recommend it. It's really good. That's right.
SPEAKER_00I heard good things about it. So they haven't picked a candidate, but for Democrats national nationally, you know, they're trying to win the House and they're trying to win the Senate during these last two years of Trump. Uh the Senate's a little sp a little tougher for them. The House, even right now, I think the the Cook political average has Republicans holding it.
SPEAKER_01Um lean Republicans is Republicans have more basically assumed wins, but there's uh still a large number of toss-ups that in a really good Democratic year still the House probably goes to Democrats. But the historical average. It's not as straightforward.
SPEAKER_00But with redistricting and stuff like even the House is probably gonna be end up being close. And so Maine was viewed as probably one of those Senate seats they could pick up.
SPEAKER_01Well, not just that, it uh some of my Democratic friends uh who I was talking to about this said that uh this was the easiest pickup for them.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um now that's very much in question. We they don't even know who they're gonna be voting for in November. And the big question is does the national bagman for the Democratic Party think we're still gonna invest in Maine, or are we going to write that off and reallocate that money to someplace else? A place, perhaps like Texas, where they have so far at least, you know, there have been no credible allegations that James Tallerico has a Nazi tattoo covered or uncovered. I would be very surprised about that. I too would be shocked. Yeah. I saw somebody's Ah well, never mind. Um see that that's called maturity. Uh that's called personal growth. Um so yeah, as of right now, we now he hasn't denied having one, which is interesting.
SPEAKER_01Has the question ever been asked? I don't know. I think everyone just assumes it's given he doesn't have that. I don't know if Kim's got a lot of people. I'd be surprised if he has any tattoo.
SPEAKER_00Frankly, um But yeah, so the the question with this was Thankfully both Senate candidates not well known for taking pictures with their shirts off. We've been spared a blessing from the Lord.
SPEAKER_01So going into this, there were multiple days of is Platinum going to drop out? And of course that raises the question of okay, let's war game this. What happens to all this money if he stays in? Yeah. Does it continue flowing to him because this is Democrats' easiest pickup opportunity? Or do, like you said, do they abandon and go elsewhere with their money? Probably would have been some of both, depending on the m specific money source. But Plattner was actually one person who not quite compete at James Talarico's level, but could be in the same stratosphere in terms of small dollar fundraising because he is that especially up there, Bernie-esque type of populist candidate. Bernie endorsed him, and so did Elizabeth Warren. They were two of his biggest allies until they weren't. Uh, but now that he's dropped out, we'll see who the nominee is. Can they fundraise to that level? Or is Maine just written off entirely? Do we see all that money that was going to Maine go to a place like Texas or Georgia? Um, Michigan, that's another big one. What happens there? Uh it is undoubtedly going to cause a ripple effect of money, and some of that surely will come to Texas that wasn't going to otherwise. Uh, but I think we won't see the kind of bum rush out of the state now that he's out. Um Democrats will still try and win that seat.
SPEAKER_00And because it's you know, even with the shakeup, it's probably still an easier pickup than trying to flip Texas. I think national Dems probably think that way.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. And the ones who know their rear end from a hole in the ground know that this saying about Texas not being a red state, it's a non-voting state, is fooie. It is a red state. But that doesn't mean in this environment that they can't win. And so um they know the odds here. They know it's it's a long shot. Um, but given the right circumstances, it's doable. It certainly is. And who the heck knows? Like we said earlier, who knows what things look like in September or October? That's going to determine the vast majority of votes here. Um But you know, we've also seen a lot of a barrage of bad press against Paxton on various things, and we'll continue to see the the hits come because that is that is how Democrats are going to um you know take their lumps. That's how they're gonna chip away at the Republican majority in this state. And um, you know, we saw the the f video come out this week of of Paxton with um k uh Tracy Duhan in in uh England on July 4th. Kind of an unforced error.
SPEAKER_00Like why you're just asking for Maybe they were maybe he was doing research about why we separated. We don't know this.
SPEAKER_01He was going to the House of Lords to figure out why they were taxing us without representation, that kind of thing.
SPEAKER_00You know. You gotta go back to the You should run that as a PR strategy. I think that would that would that would pay off greatly. It should have just been a face-to-camera video. I'm here in England to figure out what really happened.
SPEAKER_01But you know, it's such an easy hit for the Tal Rico campaign. Yeah. He's in England on America's 250th birthday, as Tal Rico is with uh Woody uh Woody. I can't believe I just said Woody. Willie Nelson uh in Texas. Yeah, can you believe this transplant? I know, right? Um it's just just dumb. Just dumb. But you know, it does it actually matter. Do voters care about that? So far they haven't, I don't think.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's the thing. And that's that's what's very interesting in in my analysis of you know Ken Paxton voters, we saw this during the primary, they were very inoculated against attacks on Paxton. Um now, independents, not exactly, but also the independents that are voting in this cycle are predominantly by and large the independents who voted in previous cycles, where Paxton has won statewide, all the way up to double-digit numbers, you know. So, like, there is a portion of these independents that are inoculated to this too. It's kind of you know, one of the analyses that I had out of the primary was that there were so many different attacks on Paxton ethics and you know, relationships and all of this stuff that it kind of just clogged the airways. And, you know, I think people were just like, this is too much to follow. What do I know about Paxton? He assumes people I don't like, uh, you know, whatever, whatever else. Oh, he's just stole a pen or something. Yeah. Gosh, I stole, you know, shampoo bottles from hotel rooms. Okay, big whoop.
SPEAKER_01Um it was a very expensive pen, apparently.
SPEAKER_00But I think he returned it.
SPEAKER_01Uh but yeah, I mean the the point stands, and also, however, though, that that was a a pr uh Republican primary election, right? That will be different than the general election. And you know, there are voters. The um uh John Huffman, who finished third in the SD9 special election, wrote a column uh this week or maybe late last week that I mentioned in in fourth reading uh about the people who are dominating the Republican Party right now, which is the insurgent right. Um it's just it's got uh a stronger hold on the base, and the ba base is more reflective of it uh these days than they were 20 years ago when people like Rick Perry and uh John Cornyn were the coaches.
SPEAKER_00I'll shoot a correction on Rick Perry. Last week I said he shot a dog, he shot a co coyote while jogging, I think, with his dog or something. So it was a coyote that he shot. Yeah. Substantially different. Now coyotes are very cute as well, I think. But until they take your dog. Well, yeah, it depends on how big a dog you have. Yeah, it's a circle of life, man. Yeah, right. Um if you got a dog smile enough to get taken by by a coyote, maybe the dog should have been taken.
SPEAKER_01Maybe the dog wasn't a dog, is that what you're saying? Yeah. Uh maybe it was a rat. It wasn't big dog, I'll tell you what. Big dogs don't get taken by kids. So Huffman wrote a a column, he's kind of been on a tear lately. Um, you know, he feels uh particularly wronged by a lot of the discourse after the SD9 race, and he's being been blamed by top brass in the state for for that race. And his argument is, and everyone's gonna have a bit of a bunch of different opinions on this, but as he states it, um, it is not on the more uh mm traditional Chamber of Commerce, business, more moderate Republicans to just show up and uh pull the lever for Paxton. He needs to do uh his due diligence in recruiting he and or other Republicans need to do their due diligence into uh pulling them back into the the coalition. It's kind of a similar argument that Jasmine Crockett's making, only with black Democrats on that side of things. Um although I don't think anyone is on the Republican side is either hinting at or outright asking for the primary election to just be reversed. Yeah. Uh the result anyway. So um Huffman's making this argument. Uh you know, how how many people does does this act do uh they actually ascribe to this? Um how many people care about and about this stuff enough to uh you know basically make a protest vote against the Republican ticket uh because they don't like the Senate nominee? They exist. They're out there. But how many are they? Um and so whose whose responsibility is it to bring them back into the fold? Or, you know, as the the right wingers have have uh countered, you know, they pulled the lever for top-of-the-ticket candidates they did not like for years.
SPEAKER_00And it's a question of party loyalty versus, you know, it's your job to win me.
SPEAKER_01Right. Right.
SPEAKER_00So you know, back to the question of Which is happening that discourse is happening on the Democratic side too.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. Um that's kind of what you get when you have a big tent party, uh, because you have these competing factions, especially over the last few years who have been really fighting uh in both parties. Yeah. Because both parties are changing. Uh there's there's just a lot of tension and uh the different things.
SPEAKER_00It's kind of a game of chicken where you're running against people in your own party, and whoever break blinks first is gonna, you know, so far it's always kind of been Democrats.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So um there is you know, the that's gonna be important. Paxton needs those voters. He absolutely does.
SPEAKER_00Um And he has since the primary taken a very conciliatory tone, you know. And now he's doing fundraising stuff with Thune.
SPEAKER_01Yeah you know. So Yeah, that was a big development. Thune and a bunch of other more establishment type Republicans are doing a fundraiser for Paxton. Why? Oh, because they know they need to hold the seat, right? It's there's no more infighting, at least not not uh that can be gained one way or the other in a primary election. Like he's the nominee. It is what it is, unless he gets graham platinored. Uh that's not that's not changing. Um so anything else you want to touch on with the No.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
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SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, I think we beat that horse to death. So let's talk closed primaries and we'll hit your horse racing. Um a couple developments on this this week. Uh did did the Shat Slime stuff happen in time for us for the our podcast last week? Yeah, we did we talk about that? We talked about it. So the update this week is Dan Patrick came out, he did a radio interview.
SPEAKER_00What breaking news stop the presence?
SPEAKER_01Uh Dan Patrick made a statement about closed primaries on Mark Davis's radio show this week, and he came out and basically he didn't say it explicitly. God, I keep saying that. He didn't say it explicitly, but he he basically insinuated that first of all, he agrees with closing of the primaries, but the acknowledgement is that it has to be done via legislation. And why that matters is because there is an ongoing lawsuit from the Texas GOP. The Office of the Attorney General has joined that on their side uh against the Secretary of State, originally trying to force the closure of the primary via litigation. Where things have gone, especially after that lawsuit has, for the time being, kind of stagnated, this acknowledgement among a lot of the different factions that if this is going to happen, it needs to happen via legislation. Because state code flat out disagrees with the argument about closing the primary. However, the argument that the Texas GOP is making is that that is a second-order question below the right of association, the ability to choose for a party to choose how to run its own elections.
SPEAKER_00If the law is in contradiction with that, the law is invalid, not the correct.
SPEAKER_01That's the argument. Um hasn't gone anywhere in court yet. They're still fielding uh it's basically on pause, really. So the development here, Patrick, says he backs it. Dustin Burroughs came out and gosh, I keep saying that. Dustin Burroughs released a statement. Really trying to appeal to the independents here.
SPEAKER_00I know crossover voters. Republicans need that. What if the entire Republican ticket just said, hey guys, we're gay?
SPEAKER_01That would I don't know if that would pay off. Um I don't think so. Probably make their base a little too mad. Yeah. Might make their base a little too excited to so Burroughs essentially backed the idea of closed primaries as well via legislation. He did it in softer tones than Patrick. Um I think the quote was uh the speaker is dedicated to electing every Republican incumbent uh so that they can pass Republican priorities next year, including this, including closed primaries. Now, once we get to the policy side of this, the rubber's really gonna meet the road on how the heck do we design this? It's certainly doable, but how? How do you do it? How is where's the line drawn on who can vote in a Republican or Democratic primary? Is it as simple as uh just each site each cycle you you pull a specific um ballot and that makes you registered as a Republican or as a Democrat? Um or you know, the the people that are behind that are wanting this, they're gonna want something more sophisticated that can really that can actually prevent voters who have a, let's say, whole democratic history of voting from voting in the Republican president.
SPEAKER_00It's just the the technicality of it. How is it actually gonna work? And this was a big, you know, sticking point in the discussions with the Secretary of State's office, but you know, with the party and with the Office of the Attorney General on like, okay, you want this. How do you actually put this into operation? Especially if you want it for this primary. And that was one of the big, you know, kind of head scratchers of what type of system is it the parties that are going to be in charge of keeping this database of who is registered with them? And then is there going to be same-day party registration? Can you do it at the poll or is it something you have to do prior to going to vote? And that was a lot of, you know, people uh wrestling with that. And then two, wrestling with how do you implement it if you're going to do it for this cycle. So now we're past that. Legislature will probably take it up and provide a path, and uh there'll be a little bit more time for deliberation on it and implementation, whatever they decide. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_01And then there's the underlying philosophical debate about whether this is a good thing philosophy. Um whether this is good or bad for the party itself. Yeah. Now we're talking from the scope of the Republican Party here. Democrats would love the Republicans to close their primary because the Democrats are not going to close their primary.
SPEAKER_00Because they think it will help them by disincentivizing people from going to go vote.
SPEAKER_01Which actually brings up this debate. So those opposed to this or those skeptical of closing the primary, their main argument has been, um, other than the logistical side, the main argument has been that you're going to close it off to people that are crossover voters who are gettable for us, which over time, the more frequently they vote Republican, the more Republican they become, the more reliable voters they become. Uh the counter to that is uh Matt Rinaldi, Tex GOP, former Tex GOP chair, said this that by closing the primary, you actually uh create an incentive to an incentive to buy-in. Buy-in, and it makes it a stickier commitment to become a Republican or become a Democrat and stay with it rather than floating between both sides.
SPEAKER_00Because what we've seen in Texas throughout the cycles is that a lot of this independent bloc are just unregistered Republicans. So if you make them register, then that you know But will they register? And that's the question. Well And if they don't register, that doesn't stop them from voting Republican in November. It just prevents them from having a say over who the nominee is, which could lead to more right-wing nominees, which might turn them off in November. It just depends. Yeah. So there's there's a lot of different angles in now I could shake out.
SPEAKER_01You know, of course, we're talking about a broad group of people here. So realistically, it probably cuts both ways. You'll see people who are turned off if this is implemented. You will see crossover voters who are turned off who do become less likely to vote Republican. And you I think you'll also see voters who uh get that increased buy-in and then become more reliable Republican voters. I think we're talking about a bunch of hundreds of thousands of people here, right?
SPEAKER_00So they won't all do the same thing? I know.
SPEAKER_01Shocking, isn't it? Uh right?
SPEAKER_00Where if somebody give me my pearls, I need to clutch them.
SPEAKER_01So the takeaway of this is closed primary legislation's coming. It will be a big debate. It will. And if you know frankly, we'll see how tenable it is vote-wise in the legislature based on how the election results come out.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, if it's close to November, you know, numbers-wise, or you know, if it does come to a vote, or if it doesn't come to a vote, that will be something that the party base will use as a mallet over anybody they viewed to have stopped that from the Which frankly is the biggest reason why this has gained so much traction among the GOP leadership.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So okay, let's uh let's talk horse racing before we finish. Richie, you spent the weekend being a degenerate uh a different kind of degenerate than you've been before.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I'll push back on that notion of me being degenerate purely on this weekend. Um because I went down for the 4th of July and the 5th of July to the Gillespie County Fairgrounds to participate in their first weekend of summer racing. They do four weekends, uh, and Gillispee County is just right outside the city limits of Fredericksburg. Um it's one of our four horse racing tracks in Texas. And horse racing and these tracks uh is basically the only place in the state where you where gambling is uh is legal. Uh of course we have like the the Indian casinos and things like that, but uh those aren't like full casinos. Um and you can't sports pet there or anything like that. Here you can. Well, if you have a VPN. Well, yeah, of course. If you break the law, sure, you can do whatever you want. Um criminal, I'm gonna citizens arrest you and turn you into um the authorities. But horse racing uh was uh legalized and perimutual betting at horse tracks was legalized in the 80s, passed by referendum by 16 points, as it happens. Um used to be have dog hound, I mean uh greyhound racing tracks as as well. Those have all closed because greyhound racing just isn't a big deal anymore in America. But it was so much fun. I'd never been to a live horse race before. I, of course, uh am a big fan of Kentucky Derby parties, um, and sometimes I'm even sober enough to watch the race uh when that happens. We went to a uh a phenomenal derby party this year that was a blast. Um and uh I didn't know what to expect going to it, aside from horses running down a field, but uh it was so much fun. I mean, it was a blast. July 4th, it was packed. Families, everybody, you know, kind of dressed up, but it was still casual. It was hot as hell out there, obviously. But um, very fairground-esque. Um yeah, cash was still king there. You run up with your water cash to the teller, you've got this booklet with the odds and the horses. First day there were 12 races, on on the fifth there were 10 races. And do you just go put down some money on it, and you can you can walk away with a healthy little penny if you pick them right. How much did you I did not win money? Um, I did not lose a lot of money, though. So basically, my strategy, um, which I didn't do very much like reading up on how to horse uh bet on horse racing beforehand. Um my strategy was five dollar bets on horses to either place or show, depending on how courageous I was feeling. Placing means, you know, they will be either first or second. To show means that they'll be in the top three. So to show that's like your easiest bet. You know, you're not making that much money on them unless they're long odds, but you can spread out your risk a little bit more. Um and so typically I would do either place bets or show bets, two or three horses respectively. And by and large, I was decent at picking them based purely on if I could say the name, did I, you know, what type of odds, where were they running, if there was a post position or not. And so I would generally uh win enough money to put that bet then into the next one. And so I would, you know, ride that same $15 or whatever until I just completely got erased wrong. But that only happened like two or two or three times. So I really didn't lose much money gambling. Uh I made some money, and so like if I made more than the $15, I would cash out the remainder of that and then like go buy a beer or something, you know. Um so I I walked away pretty honestly, the cost per unit of fun amount at the racetrack, phenomenal. I was paid a lot more money to have a lot less fun. Um and it's just like exciting. So you can you can walk right up to the track to where you're you know a yard or two away from these horses running down. And most of them were quarter horse races or a couple of thoroughbred races, which are you know the more like Kentucky Derby type type horses. Um, and so a lot of the quarter horses are running, you know, 300, 400 yard um races, so it's just down the stretch. And then there were a few of them that were uh you know 870 yards, six furloughs, eight furloughs, something a little bit longer where they're actually making a full rotation. And that was just fun to see. You know, you've seen it on TV, but being there. Were you up in the stands or so I moved I moved quite around a lot, uh shifty guy, you know? Well, it was like, okay, there was one race where there were only six horses signed up, but uh two of them got scratched, which means they pulled out right beforehand for whatever reason, meaning there are only four horses in the race. And when that happens, you're the types of bets you can make are severely limited. At that point, you can't make uh sh show bets, you could only make winner place bets. And so it was like, all right, I'm gonna put it all on, you know, whatever to win, and then I did a place bet as well. And so with the four, you know, it went right there, so you're right there in it, posted up by the finish line to where you're watching them cross, you know, within five, ten feet, which was very fun. And then other ones, so like there was one of the last races, second to last race on Sunday was a longer race. I think it was eight furloughs, which means they start in the shoot on the home stretch past the finish line and then do a full lit loop back to the finish line. So you get two looks at it. But it's on the back stretch and coming into those uh turns, those home home turns, where the horse that wins is probably going to be making a move. So I was up in the grandstands on that to where I had a perfect picture on which horse was winning. And so uh the horse that won started, and there were I think six horses running in this one. So it was a little bit of a lighter field, but five of them come out of the come out of the gate and are like a wall across the track, and then there's one horse, the number five horse, uh, I think it was Little Sweet Thing was the name, um like one or two lengths back, and so that's when they cross the the finish line first, and then on the as they make the clubhouse turn and come around into the back stretch, sweet little little thing, or little sweet thing rather, uh starts making a move, picks up a few, and then on the turn to the home home stretch, cuts in on the rail and wins it all. So it was it was like, you know, an absolute what you think of of a horse race happening. And it was just so much fun. I mean it was a blast. So I'm gonna get hit all of the horse racing tracks in Texas for for research, of course. For research, of course. Um but uh if you're ever going down to Fredericksburg and it's over the summer, so they've got the rest of them are gonna be uh not this weekend, but next weekend, and then two weekends in August as well. There are more uh races held at the other tracks, but Fredericksburg is they've got the four weekends during the summer.
SPEAKER_01Now there is a an actual policy or in this case litigation uh component to this. This isn't just all for fun. There is like an actual political issue here at play. And what's what's going on with this?
SPEAKER_00Oh, I don't know. I was just there for fun. Oh.
SPEAKER_01You must have chat GPT'd that section in your story, then.
SPEAKER_00I would never chat GP a section. No, so horse racing, obviously, as with any gambling in Texas, is in somewhat of a tenuous position. Uh, because in order for horse racing to be successful in a state, there really has to be a gambling component. That's where a lot of the money that, you know, is made in the industry. Um, and it's what incentivize and the money that's made through this goes into the purses, and the higher the purses, the more races that will happen, which means the tracks make enough money to stay open because of the gambling and and and all of that, and the concessions and everything that g goes into keeping an establishment open. Texas being a you know very anti-gambling state, that has kind of you know ham hocked the industry a little bit from being able to grow. And you know, at its height, there were, I think, 10 racing tracks in Texas. So it's it shrunk a little bit. But you know, a lot of Texans, uh, one, there are a lot of uh horse breeders in Texas. Obviously, there's a big horse tradition in Texas. A lot of very well-to-do Texans own horses that race in the derby and all of that stuff. I mean, there's very rarely a year where there's not some Texans that owns part of some derby horse. So, like, the industry itself and even state leadership is kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. We like horse racing, but we don't like the thing that makes it profitable. Um so there have been state laws passed recently to kind of help horse racing to boost the pots um and make it more attractive for higher talent horses and and uh jockeys and owners and trainers to come to Texas to race, which helps the uh the tracks here. But uh any attempt to expand revenue streams through something that looks like gambling has been shut down. So uh a few years ago, the Racing Commission passed a rule to permit uh historical horse games at the track, and these are machines where it allows you to gamble on old horse races. But what it does is it clears, you know, and I mean you think there are th hund thousands of horse races that happen each and every year. So there's nobody that knows all of the horse races. You get a random horse race from a random year, you wipe the names off of the horse, and you're just betting on the statistical information that was available to you. Um, but they kind of look like slot machines, and these have been implemented in other states like Wyoming, and Wyoming says it saved their horse racing industry. And it, I mean, from when they implemented these machines to where they are now, I think the number of horse races run in the state has multiplied exponentially because you can only do these at the track. So this, you know, it just puts more money into the system, which then incentivized people to come and race. Uh they did that horrible backlash uh from state leadership. Uh I think predominantly Lieutenant Governor uh Dan Patrick, I think Abbott wasn't too pleased about it either. Um and they What year was this? This was 2017, 2018. Um so this was quite a you know way back in the day. Um so they reversed that, so we don't have that in Texas still. Another big issue facing Texas is federal legislation. Uh back in 2020, uh Congress passed a law. The acronym is like uh HISA. Um, you know, it's it got some horse racing integrity and safety act, I think. Uh and what that did is it tried to establish a private entity that then was in charge of regulating track safety, anti-doping measures, stuff like that in the states. Um, and this got challenged and uh it was struck down originally in I think 2021 because uh you know you can't delegate that to a private entity, so Congress went back, gave the FEC more authority over it, and then that iteration is still in litigation in several different circuits. Just last month, and Texas obviously sued against this, but in the meantime, Texas uh is refusing to even acknowledge the jurisdiction of the feds over their horse racing industry because it conflicts with like how it's set up here. They have no authority because the feds are trying to make the states pay money to support this private institution that they established. And so uh the federal authority sent Texas a bill for over $300,000. And we said, we're not gonna do that, we're not gonna pay it. And they said, well, if you don't pay it, you can't do interstate commerce in horse racing, because that's what gave them, according to their theory, the authority to regulate it. And what that means is another big proponent. Is that Wickard v. Philburn coming back? I don't know. The interstate commerce. Yeah, it's all interstate commerce on how they get their, you know, tendrils into these state regulated entities is the argument. And well, what does interstate commerce look like in horse racing? All of these races that happen at a track are then broadcast to other tracks nationally. And then you can go and what? Just continue, go ahead. No, you're I'm not gonna laughing at me. What do you think of that phase?
SPEAKER_01Laughing at how similar this is to Wickard v. Philbert.
SPEAKER_00Yes, it's all it's everything is the same all the way down. Um broadcast these and then you can go and gamble at these other paramutual uh horse racing states on those races. So like you can you can do this in Texas. If you go to one of the tracks on any given day and there are races happening, it's called simulcast, it's a tough word for me to say. Um you can gamble on those races as they're happening somewhere else just via broadcast. You can do that at the Texas tracks. But because of the interstate commerce issue here, Texas isn't able to broadcast their races to the other states. And some of the other states are kind of in the same boat, I think maybe I don't know. But that is another kind of thing that hamstrings the industry because now horses from outside the state and even Texas horses don't have as much incentive to race in Texas because the purses are going to be they can't get exposure, and it's people are betting on the broadcasts. People are betting on the broadcasts elsewhere, and it just means that you know there's less revenue than and the purses are smaller in Texas, and it all it impacts every single other thing that makes the industry profitable or unprofitable in a state. Uh just last month, the Fifth Circuit ruled again for the third time that this law is unconstitutional. Um but the Sixth Circuit has ruled that the current iteration is constitutional. The Eighth Circuit also has this law in front of it, but it hasn't ruled yet. So um back on the, and this has been before the Supreme Court before, but they didn't rule on it, they just sent it back down to the states to consider it in light of like other litigation that it the court had ruled on. Fifth Circuit said, yeah, we did that. It didn't change our analysis, it's still unconstitutional. So that happened last month, so it's still, you know, it's heading back up to the Supreme Court, and it will have pretty big ramifications on how Texas is able to interact with the national horse racing industry. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_01Well, I I don't know all the parameters of the legal arguments in this, uh, but conceivably, you know, that is something that could result in an overturning of Wicker v. Philburn. Um I doubt it'll get that level. Uh just a lot of people And explain what that is. Yeah, that he's going to. So the reason I keep bringing that up is it if you're like the one Supreme Court case you know? No. Hey, I took a landmark court case class in uh in college. It was one of my favorite classes, actually. It was. Um but I also realized I could not be a lawyer because I could not just sit there and read freaking hundreds of pages of things at a time. But anyway, Wookard v. was a a ruling back in uh the I think it's the thirties. Um and it drastically expanded it didn't expand the the ability for the federal government to have oversight of interstate commerce, but what it did do is drastically expand what qualified definition was. This was about like the the corn, right? Or the wheat wheat. It was one farmer actually in Ohio um who the federal subsidies they go into he was f uh growing wheat on his uh farm and using that as feed for his livestock. Now the argument that was made that won out that then drastically expanded definition was that because he was not buying other people's feed he was and was not selling it elsewhere that that qualified as interstate commerce because it was affecting money that was going or not going into other people's pockets. Which is absurd. Yes it is a ridiculous ruling um you know frankly I think one of the worst uh but it's remained intact and it has governed the way the federal government uh or how much oversight they have of of many different things including this.
SPEAKER_00So um you know yeah potentially potentially I don't know if it will really implicate all of those uh deals but it almost reminds me more of the the lawsuits over suppressors built in Texas. You know if you sell them outside of Texas but what if we don't sell them outside of Texas and it just remains in Texas. Kind of like our energy grid, right? Where we're not selling it outside of Texas.
SPEAKER_01So we'll we have a a carve out to federal regulations. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But it was very all just fascinating to me. And it was just I can't stress how much fun it was just to be there. You know these are you know a lot of Texas horses um and it was just a good old time I mean a good old time very fri family friendly as well. It wasn't you know I know when we think of horse racing we think Kentucky Derby and that makes us think of you know Hunter Thompson's you know phenomenal landmark article on the Derby and that was just the Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved. And while that might be true Texas horse racing was very decent and family friendly. It was fun it was enjoyable.
SPEAKER_01Well check out Richie's uh column fault line on from Thursday if this interests you I thought it was really well done I enjoyed it it was very fun read. Thanks for um but yeah with that we gotta we gotta get out of here we gotta head to Dallas.
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