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Behind The Buckles
Behind The Buckles Episode 9 w/ Kevin Read
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Behind the Buckles sits down with Kevin Read, owner of Queen Creek Health Center, for an insightful conversation on health, resilience, and the realities of staying strong in and out of the arena. Kevin shares his journey into the world of care and performance health, along with how his work supports rodeo athletes and everyday individuals alike.
From injury prevention to recovery strategies, this episode breaks down what it really takes to keep your body performing at its best. Whether you’re competing, working hard, or just trying to move better, Kevin offers practical advice and a behind-the-scenes look at the importance of proactive health care in the Western lifestyle.
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SPEAKER_00This podcast is for general information purposes only and is not a substitute for personalized medical advice. Hey everyone, welcome back to Behind the Buckles. Uh, today is just gonna be me as the host. We're going to have on Kevin Reed. Um, he is an owner and provider at Queen Creek Health Center in Arizona. Um, I'm really looking forward to this interview. Um, and so as soon as he gets on, we will get started and we will go from there. Hey Kevin, can you hear me?
SPEAKER_03I can. Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_00Yep, I can hear you. Perfect. Thank you for doing this today. I'm excited.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah. No, we uh we've been talking about this now for two months, maybe more.
SPEAKER_00No, a long time, a long time. So I won't, I know you're at work, obviously, so I won't take up too much of your time. We'll jump right into it. Um, I actually called Jesse before this, our friend Jesse Telford, because I'm like, you know, Kevin, you know, I need some background. Help me with some good questions. So you gotta tell us what you did before this, because I didn't know any of it until she told me.
SPEAKER_03Uh, which part?
SPEAKER_00Like the tattoo, or like what did you what was your like way of, you know, so yeah, give us your background. Let's start there.
SPEAKER_03So uh, surfer kid from Hawaii did jujitsu wrestling and stuff growing up, but uh uh had a friend that his dad owned a tattoo shop, and what this is back when we were in the seventh grade, and so right across the field from uh the school that we went to, we would stumble across and go to his dad's tattoo shop and see things that we should not have seen in seventh grade, right? Yeah, and uh and so we we I'd go over there and and so fast forward, went through high school, graduated high school. Uh right out of school, I went and got uh I went and got an apprenticeship and learned how to tattoo. I was always a good artist, I could always draw, I could always do all that stuff. Um and uh yeah, so I I ended up scaling that business to 74 artists, seven locations on Oahu. Um, I had three in Oregon, one in Chico, California, and I scaled the businesses pretty big, but that's what paid my wife's and my way through medicals. So yeah, and so tattooing actually paid our way through school.
SPEAKER_00So when so you always knew you wanted to do what you're doing now, or was it something that you realized later?
SPEAKER_03Like you know, I no, I I became a little bit more passionate about it. Um, when I realized, I mean, because in in the in that tattoo world, um, you know, there's there's a lot of uh the rules and regulations, and you got to take tests and do all this stuff. So you're working hand in hand with the department of health, yeah. And um, so I I helped rewrite the rules and regulations in the state of Hawaii for tattooing. Um, I worked hand in hand with the the Department of Health uh with changing some laws and updating things to make it safe, and uh and that's I really got passionate about it kind of back then, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, very cool. So then you like like you said, you guys went to medical school, you went together. Where did you guys go to school?
SPEAKER_03No, we didn't go together. So she went first. Um, she was in Long Beach, thought that she was going to be a um marine biologist, and then she went and figured out how much marine biology gets paid and how much schooling it is, and you never pay off your student loans. And uh, and she's like, That that doesn't work. Uh so she switched gears a little bit, came back to Hawaii. She ended up graduating from the from the University of Hawaii and um and got her degree there. And then I went to Shamanon University and went through an RN to NP program.
SPEAKER_00And where's that university?
SPEAKER_03It's also in Hawaii, it's it's in Hawaii, yeah. But this was this was way after she was she was already done.
SPEAKER_00Okay, and then you guys, did you open up a center like Queen Creek in Hawaii before you?
SPEAKER_03No, so Nicole's role, she was um, she worked for the Bishop Estates, which is the third rich richest entity in the world. So when um when the I might be saying this all wrong and I want to tread lightly, but uh when the queen in Hawaii uh when she she couldn't have kids, and so uh she left all of her money to the the native people there, the Hawaiian people there, and she wanted to utilize that fortune that she had to catch the rest of the catch them up with the rest of the world. So the schooling, the um, and just really get them educated and get them caught up to to where they weren't left behind. And uh it's one of the most amazing campuses I've ever been on. Um, I went to her tenure reunion with her, and I was like, this is your high school? Like I went to this little like beach town. Uh I mean, if the waves were good, there was barely anyone at school in high school, you know. I mean, nobody showed up, and uh, and yeah, she she uh had a pretty awesome experience, you know, going to that school. And so um, she was the medical director for that whole thing. And so and which is it's the third large largest, it's the third richest entity in the world, and so they have um borders that come and stay there. So, like, for instance, if you have Hawaiian on your birth certificate, but you live in Pennsylvania, if your kid can test in and get accepted to this school, you will send your kid. Like, we would send ours. Wow, you know, like because it's it's it's it's like going to an Ivy League essentially. And so um she she uh so all the borders, so they have I can't remember how many students it is, you'd we'd have to ask her, but um, and then it's all islands have has locations, so she oversaw all of that. She was the medical director for all of it, even during COVID. She was it was her and the the um medical director for the whole state of Hawaii was the two that kind of oversaw the state.
SPEAKER_00So wow, very cool. So how did how did you guys decide a to move to Arizona and B to open up Queen Creek Health Center, or what was that journey like?
SPEAKER_03So we looked for so and you know Miley, uh our daughter. So Miley was a little rodeo star. I don't want to call her a star because now we know what stars are now that we live out here in the mainland. Um, but she was doing really well in rodeo, and we had started bringing her up here to the mainland. She qualified for the junior patriot, the the American, and a couple other other things. And um we brought her up here and we were mind blown. There's three to five rodeos and jackpots a day you can hit. Like, we need more horsepower, we need more horses, we need more, we need more of us, you know. And so I I dedicated uh one year, I hauled Miley nine months and 50,000 miles. I hauled her all over the country, and we just hit it. I mean, she she tied an arena record in Tina, Washington at a Burns Pro race. Um, and we were on this this high of I mean she was on a she was on a uh uh she was on a winner, you know. So we did that for two years back and forth. We were just flying, I mean, we were flying two, three times a month. She was all over the news in Hawaii. Um and Nicole and I just sat down and Nicole's like, well, you live in a horse trailer, and I live in Hawaii, and what are we doing here? You know, and I said, Well, if we want to allow her to do this this jump and and and do this, let's let's do it. You know, I mean, um, it's it's kind of more more our speed for our family, and I feel like we can help more people getting out of Hawaii and getting out here to the in into Arizona and let's let's just dive dive in. And Nicole did not want to open up a business. She is not like she's uh at night, she wants to turn it off. I'm like, call me at 10 o'clock at night, I don't care. You know, let's let's do this, you know. Um, but yeah, we we looked for a location for two years out here in in Queen Creek, Arizona, couldn't find anything. It's the fastest growing uh uh county in America since 2016, and we just couldn't find a location. And so we found a failing business uh called Queen Creek Health Center, and we were just gonna take just the location. We weren't gonna take uh we weren't gonna actually keep the name. We were gonna make it healthcare or something like that. So I'm in here, we're taking over in 30 days. We're we're taking the location. It's 7,000 square feet, it's huge, it's way bigger than we wanted. It's we wanted something small, me and hers providers, like smaller, intimate kind of setting. Uh and we're going, we're like going all in, you know, on this thing. And I'm in here and I'm measuring, and that the previous business was still open. They've got one provider, one medical assistant, and one receptionist, and 12 and 1200 disgruntled patients. And and uh and this business has been here for 20 years, and they they were just it was it was not a good setting, right? Yeah, the walls look like some old grandma was smoking in here for 20 years, or they were all yellow and dingy, and there was it, there's carpet in here. And I'm like, why is there carpet in in per patient rooms, you know? Yeah, and so I'm in measuring and trying to figure out what we're gonna do for our remodel, and I'm listening to patient after patient after patient come in. And um, I'm listening to this, and I'm like, man, this is uh and they're complaining, they're going, hey, if if we don't get in, like if this if you guys sell, we it's gonna take us months to get reestablished, and you can't get in with anybody. It's it's two like three, four, five months to get in with another provider because there's a shortage. So I walk outside and I and my heart strings were getting yanked on. I called Nicole and and she was still doing the medical director thing back in Hawaii. And I called her, I said, Hey, listen, we got to keep the name. And she goes, You're kidding me. They're a one-star review on Google, like they're terrible, you know. Yeah, and so I told I told her, I said, I don't care, we'll change it. It ain't it won't take us long to to let this town know what we're doing. I mean, I feel like we're 20 years ahead in medicine when we came here, you know, compared to what they're doing, they're pretty arcadic here, yeah. And um, and that's not to talk bad about anybody, it's just I think one a lot of farm doctors that were probably one just didn't have time for continuing education, or two, they just didn't have um, they didn't really have the means, you know what I mean, like to to kind of keep up with the rest. So we kept the name, moved here, remodeled it. Um we're 25 staff members now. We're um, I mean, we got quite a big practice. We have 60,000 patients two years later on our panel. And so just to kind of give you an idea of what our our growth is. So, our program that we built here is a program we actually designed out in Hawaii. So it's a program that was built for major league baseball players, NFL uh players, uh Major League uh Major League Baseball players, NFL, and UFC fighters. Um, we work with a lot of those people, and um, we built that program, and obviously in those UFC we can, but the other ones we can't really say, right? Because we're not supposed to be doing peptides. Yeah, but you know, it's it's somebody gets hurt, breaks a leg, breaks, tears something, we can we can get it healed pretty quickly. So I told Nicole, I said, Hey, I think we need to shift gears a little bit. And we did this, we started this about a year ago. I said, I think we should shift gears a little bit and let's start helping our own community. Like, let's get into this western community, let's get into let's get into um uh the the rodeo world, you know, and and help these guys because they're hurt all the time, you know. I mean, these guys are and and they're the toughest people on the planet, by the way. I mean, there's not a UC fighter that I've helped that is as tough as uh a rough stop guy, hands down, you know, or even a team roper. They have to keep going, you know, they're injured all the time. Yeah, and so we started helping, and um, I'd say probably three quarters of the PRCA comes to Queen Creek Hall Center at this point.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, if not more. And that's so that's kind of what I was gonna get into with the peptide thing because peptides are all the rage right now, you know, and like every person that talks to me, I'm like, hey, call Kevin, you know, and I call you, and I'm like, hey, they're gonna be calling. So I think that's how did you get into the peptide thing? I know that when you and I've talked, they've been around for way longer than people even realize because a lot of people are like, Oh, I don't want to try it, you know, there's not been any studies or anything. Um, but so how did you get into the peptide thing before we dive into the rest?
SPEAKER_03So because I fought jujitsu competitively, I was injured all the time. And so uh 15 years ago I tore my meniscus pretty bad. And uh a call, I went to this surgeon, he says, the only way to fix this thing, Kevin, is you have to get surgery, it's the only way to fix it. Um and it was hanging on by a thread like barely. And a colleague of mine tells me, Hey, Kevin, there's this this guy in Texas. Um he has a company and he's just starting it. He's a whistleblower on the pharmaceutical companies, you know, and he's kind of giving me the whole rundown of what all of this stuff is, right? And I'm like, I didn't learn about this in school. What the heck is this? You know, like none of us learn. I talked talk to Nicole, I said, Do you know anything about this? She's like, I never even heard of it. Now we all knew about GLPs because it was that was weight loss, right? And but it wasn't weight loss 15 years ago, it was diabetes medication. Yep, so but we saw a huge influx of people losing weight when we would put them on the diabetes, yeah, you know, and so um we uh so long story short, I regrew my meniscus in 90 days of of shots of a BPC 157 shot. I stayed on it for 90 days straight, completely regrew my meniscus, never had surgery, never bothered me since. And so I was mind blown. I was like, man, this this is real medicine. This is getting rid of the problem and fixing it. This is not band-aiding it. This is not, you know, we're we're built into a system that that is a system designed to medicate by big pharma. And and uh, and we all know that. Everybody's on to it, you know, us providers, us uh, us patients. I mean, we all know what what that looks like. So 15 years ago, we we is when we got into peptides. Now we have 15 years of experience with peptides now. So now I have the hey, that worked, that didn't work. Oh, if I pair these two together, if I pair these three together, they were they work really well, you know. Um, like for instance, we would when we first started doing it, we would put somebody on a healing peptide, but their muscles couldn't keep up with how fast we were healing that tendon or that torn muscle or or torn rotator or whatever the injury was, and so we would heal them incredibly quick, and then they would just injure it all over again. And we were trying to figure out why, and it was because the muscle that supports that injury couldn't keep up with the the healing.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_03Now we have 15 years of trial and error essentially. Um a lot on me, you know. Um, but you know, when when we talk about safety and and what that seems like, you know, the FDA does not approve any of these peptides. Um and uh and that just means they haven't been paid yet. Um I'm 99.9% sure as long as RFK is in, they're not gonna ever approve it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, and and I'm I'm what the the great part about the boom that's happened within the last what two years. This peptide boom that's happened, and the great part about it is we we have 60,000 patients on our panel. We can only help so many people, and so now at this point, we've we've branched out and we're we're going to other clinics and setting up hey, here's how we did this, here's how you can help your patient population, you know. Um, like for instance, our our 60,000 patients that we have on our panel, it our existing patients slowed down 25 this year. We were trying to figure out why.
SPEAKER_00So I because they were getting better.
SPEAKER_03They were getting better. Like I tasked my clinic manager and I said, Hey, tell me right now what what what it is, figure out, run reports. Are we not meeting benchmarks? Did we are we are people not happy with us? Like, what's going on? So he comes back and goes, Kevin, 97 of the 25 that we slowed down on our existing. Now, again, we have 15 to 35 new patients per day, plus our existing, right? So we're still, I mean, we're in a massive growth, but um he says 97 of that 25 all went on weight loss, all went on peptides, all went on, they don't need us anymore. They're like, we got to the root of the problem and healed this. This is a terrible business model, we need to get rid of it. Yeah, I'm like, absolutely not. This is this is the oath that we signed patient care first. Like, this is what we were designed, we were we were trained to do, but we just weren't trained right, you know. So yeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh on that, I do have a question because I feel like this has been a big thing, especially in the last two years, like you said, but the GLP ones. I'm just curious, like your opinion on them. That's when we posted that you were coming on, that was like the number one question, like just your opinion on the GLP ones.
SPEAKER_03Because I know like everybody has their own opinion on it, really when done right, done safely, and done correctly, it's it's I love it. Um, and I and I don't love it for the person that wants to sit on the couch and eat potato chips, yeah, and and eat cheeseburgers and think that they're gonna take this magic shot and lose weight. That's not what we utilize that for. We utilize that for that person that broke double femurs and gained a hundred pounds, and and they're like, I can't even exercise, I'm too big, you know. Let's kickstart that, let's get that going, let's build you a program, let's get up off our butts, let's get uh let's get ourselves healthier. Now, GLPs, um, you know, some of the best labs I've ever seen are people that are on GLP ones, and and a lot of people don't know that, but um, and and typically it's it's because they're eating healthier. The problem with GLPs when it's not done correct is uh you're deficient, and so your your muscles start to deteriorate. Uh you you you you hear about people getting left skinny fat, you know?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's not because you didn't do your part, you wanted that GLP. I mean, uh the newest one, retitrutide, 17 people have died in the country, I think, so far. Um, off and that's a statistic not a lot of people know. Um, I actually just learned that the other day that it was up to 17. And wow. Um, do I think it's because it's dangerous? I think it's dangerous when any of these are done not right, you know. Yeah, um, retitrutide, for instance, it's it's uh it you can't go to your compounding pharmacy and get it. So people are getting it on the gray and black market, they're mixing it themselves, and then they're self-diagnosing and self-administering, right? And so they're they're utilizing and even just getting a semi-glutide or a traze apatide. If you're getting that gray or black market, you are doing yourself a complete injustice and in service. Uh, that that is the ones that RFK is targeting right now and going after is the bacterial black market, and for a reason. I mean, you hear about people taking, say, BPC 157, for instance, that healing peptide, and they're like, I felt great when I was on it, but as soon as I got off, I was hurt again. What's in that gray market Chinese peptide? You feel numb and not feel pain while you're on it, but as soon as you're off, you're back to where you were.
SPEAKER_00That's that's what is no, I didn't mean to interrupt you. That was another one of my questions, though, is like the difference in compounding companies and where you get your peptides, like that is a huge thing, right?
SPEAKER_03Absolutely, absolutely. Um, any of them can say uh 99.9% purity rate, any of them can say third-party tested, any of them can sit right on the label uh that it was compounded here in the United States. Couple things to that. Compounded here in the United States just means that they mixed it here. All they did was put bacteriostatic water into it. That's you know, they they they mixed it with the water, and now all of a sudden they're the ones that compounded it here. But where do the ingredients come from? Did it come from Eli Lilly? Did it come from China? Did it where did it come from? You know, it came from here. Uh uh, like there's so there's two in the country, us and and one other one that I know of. And there might be a couple more now, I'm not sure. Um, but right now there's two that every single ingredient comes from the United States right here in America. Um, what I like about that is we can we know what's in it. We it's third-party tested, our third party tested every hundred vials, one gets peeled out, and a third party company comes in and tests that also. So there's checks and balances. You're not you're not just ordering something online with no program built, um, and and going on chat GPT and going, okay, I'm 500 microgram dose of BPC 157. So, uh how what's that calculation? What's you know, they're trying to figure this out. That's where peptides are getting a bet an adverse rap, you know, that's where they're Getting a negative reaction is people aren't doing them right. And yeah.
SPEAKER_00And this is like uh gonna be a general question. I because it but is everyone a candidate like ideally for peptides, or is like age range, you know, what's the age range you think for peptides, or what do you always want to do the blood work before you start them on them? Like, what's that look like?
SPEAKER_03You know, for BB, it and it depends on which which peptide, because all of them do something different, you know. I mean, there's thousands of peptides. We have seven on seven on our menu out of thousands. We can just about accomplish anything with one of those seven or a or a combination of those seven and get done what we want to get done. Um, but back to your age question. So six 16 and up is kind of where um for BPC 157. I want to reiterate this. I do not encourage anybody that's not getting professional, have somebody that has a license that you can come after. Yeah, you know what I mean. We're held to a different standard. Our compounding pharmacy uh is hit three, four, five times a month and and and inspected. You want that, we want that, you know. Um our our 16-year-old daughter, so she Miley, she uh she tore her shoulder, typical rope's breakaway girl, you know, rope her shoulder, and uh she was 16. We put her on BPC 157, 45 days later, it was completely gone. Now, um, you know, we've we've we've had uh uh multiple wrestler kids, football kids, you know, but try not to we try not to do anything below 16 for stuff like that. And BPC is the only one that we'll do under 18.
SPEAKER_00So okay, that yeah, and so but and then as far as any age adult-wise, like you would just say it depending on the peptide, you would want the person to come in or make a plan with you before it, like, because everybody's just jumping on peptides. That's why I asked, like, is everyone a candidate? Because when you look online or whatever, that's kind of the wrap, and then people are just ordering them and getting on them. So I but if there is there a place where someone should be like, maybe I shouldn't get on peptides or a certain peptide or something for sure, you know.
SPEAKER_03Like, um, so I'm part of a network that RFK is in, also. There's a hundred of us on this big, big network. Once a month we're all jumping on a call, and it's mostly just to listen to what's coming down the pipe as far as um what things are looking like from an atomist administration uh look at it. Um, you know, there's there's a human biologist that came out and and and this was six months ago, he came out and said anything with TB500 in it can encourage cancer to grow. Um none of us have ever seen that. I haven't seen that in 15 years. Um, nobody knows what this human biologist is talking about. Over half of us have emailed him directly or tried to contact him saying, Hey, where's your source on this? Like we want we want to see where your your facts are on this. Not that we're questioning you, but we want to understand. So we're we're putting best patient care first. Couldn't find any information on it all. He's not responding, so we don't know if it's big pharma's uh, you know, there that that's big pharma's uh way of combating the fact that they're losing billions and billions and billions of dollars is uh false information, fear mongering, you know, like on and on and on. The list goes on. So we don't know if it came from that. Um, but in our network, we all decided, hey, let's all pull back on the TB500. If anybody has anything cancerous actively going on, even down to skin cancer, let's pull back and we'll pull the TB500. Um doesn't mean that we can't do BPC 157 and still get those healing peptides going, but uh you know, just just that one basically it it moves so many cells through the blood and through the body that it can need cancer, is essentially what that that human said.
SPEAKER_00Um when you're looking at like all the professional athletes, rodeo guys, probably in particular, if they have a full tear or something like that, like what is your opinion on surgery when they should get it, like all that, or like just stick to peptides and healing and stuff, or is it just case by case?
SPEAKER_03I think it's case by case, but um, it's not gonna take a complete sever and put it back together. It's not gonna grab a tendon that's balled up and tendon that's balled up and pull them back in and and make those bind back together. Will it like uh you're in the workout realm big time? So you see these guys that have or or women that have popped a bicep and it curls up kind of up into the shoulder. Now, can we heal that and you can live with that and it's not gonna even bother you? Absolutely, you know, is it aesthetically most people want it fixed for sure, you know? Um, so I I think it's a case by case, you know.
SPEAKER_00Um and then after surgery, let's say someone gets a ACL surgery, MCL, they tore it all up, they get the surgery. Would you consider like would you consider peptides for like at following surgery after a certain point to get that healing like recovery?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, you know, it's not supposed to help with anything skeletal, it's not gonna grab bones and put them back in place, but when those bones are back in place, will it encourage healing? Absolutely. Why does a seven, eight, nine-year-old kid that fell off the monkey bars at school and broke his arm, how come he could throw a baseball two weeks later? If that happened to us our age, we're not gonna throw a baseball again. Yeah, not the way we did.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03So, how come how come that works like that? So, what we're doing is we're sending a signal, and these peptides are they're amino acids, but we're sending signals like with BPC, for instance, we're sending a signal up to the paturity gland and telling it, hey, act like you're seven, eight, nine years old again, and you fell off the monkey bars. Let's let's get that healing going, let's encourage it, let's let's turn that paturity gland back on and dump that healing into the body.
SPEAKER_00Okay, that I probably should ask that at the beginning, like explain peptides for dummies. But that's that was pretty good. Um, as far as like just because this is a more rodeo podcast, success stories in the rodeo world, Haven Medid's a big one. Do you want to tell us what and he kind of shared a little bit of about it on social media, but what was his journey and injury and stuff?
SPEAKER_03Uh bulged L5 and S1. Um, and and I don't I don't want to dive too much into no, yeah.
SPEAKER_00We got the details, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um but um great guy, great, great family. Um it was an honor to work with him and and really help him um and his wife, you know. Yeah, and um I know we got stem cells done and it didn't really seem like it it did what we were hoping. And this was before he was actually working with us. And um and that the thing was here's the thing with stem cells too, and I'll I'll dive back into Haven. But stem cells, we're putting something foreign into the body. Anytime we do something foreign into the body, whether it's a hip replacement, a knee replacement, we've got a 50-50 shot that that's gonna work. Okay, it's foreign. We reject, so uh the body naturally rejects anything that's foreign. So it's ten thousand dollars to try it. You go to CPI in Mexico, you go to get these stem cells done, and you got a 50-50 shot that's gonna work. That's a lot of money and a lot of travel and a lot of well, how did that person live their life that were put in the stem cells? I mean, was this a uh drug addict that they found on the side of the road in Mexico? You know, like I didn't live my life like that, so do I want those stem cells in me? Probably not, yeah. So that's one. Um, two is um we've got a 94% success rate with peptide healing. There still is the six percent where it doesn't work. Um, the it's it's all up to your brain and body if it's gonna work. Um, but a 94% success rate in medicine is massive. It's huge. Um, that's that's just it's just huge. And it's the cost difference between stem cells and peptides, like you're gonna know within the first 30 days if if if we're heading in the right direction, yeah. You know, with Have in specific, we had him, I think we had him rot rode on again within seven days. Um, and and he was he was sore. I mean talk about grit though. I mean, you're you're talking about a guy that's got a bulged L5 and S1, and his job is to go out, slam the brakes on, jump off, run down the line, flip over a calf that weighs more than he does almost, you know. And he's doing that with a bulge disc, or two bulge discs. Yeah, and so the fact that the fact that he uh he he still pushed forward and and still worked through that was just and that that's what I'm talking about, the cowboys man and cowgirls. It's the grittiest group I've ever met in my life. I mean, any of the UF fighters that we work with, they're taking two months off and healing after.
SPEAKER_00I know. I I funny story, last year at Livingston or might have been two years ago, Jordan broke his foot in the chutes, and I'm like, so are you getting on tomorrow? You know, and like you would never ask somebody that. Um, and I do think it's also important that they come to somebody like you that not just order it online, you know what I mean, and figure it out. So um, any words of advice for people wanting to get on peptides or something like that?
SPEAKER_03You know, the the advice that I that I'll give is is don't trust your source and you're reading online. Let's start with that. I mean, if if China can make a Rolex that looks exactly like a Rolex, it feels like a Rolex, and it and it works like a watch, um, but it's not a Rolex, they can probably print a label and stick it on a vial and and make it seem like that that is uh a real compounded in the United States peptide. Um and I and I keep reiterating back to China because that's where a lot of these are coming from. That's the only reason why I'm doing that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, and and they they are they are absolutely replicators of of things that we have here in the United States, and they're and they're grabbing those things and piling it on like that. So and making Rolexes and all this knockoff stuff. Yep, they don't make a Rolex that's a Rolex.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03They only do knockoffs, so um, anything that comes from there, I won't utilize that for my family, I won't utilize it for um or for any of my patients, you know. And so um, you know, when I was in school, I was involved in this study, and this is what really made my eyes open up on what's coming from over there. In this study, uh, a kid's at a party, he he thinks he's taking a Xanax, is a high school kid, dies of a fentanyl overdose. So, in this study, and this was a the this wasn't us doing, we weren't the ones investigating where did this come from, it was part of the study, so it already been investigated. So it actually came from Wuhan, China, is where they traced it back to. Interesting enough, that's where COVID came from. So, um, but interesting enough for for it coming from Wuhan, China, in this lab, so or I'm sorry, in this study, in this group study that we were doing in in school, the the questions were okay, was this intentional? Was this uh a cross-contamination issue? Like what happened? So, in this study, we we figured out it was absolutely a cross-contamination issue. It um they are they're compounding multiple medication within this one lab. Okay, now here's where I have a major problem with this. You're telling me that you're compounding things with fentanyl in it that's able to cross-contaminate because there's no regulations, nobody watching, nobody coming in and checking purity rates or or nobody coming in and making sure there's not that cross-contamination issue. The same thing that was compounded in this one was uh was uh uh ibuprofen and tylenol. So you're telling me that it this in this lab, the same thing as I'm gonna give my nine-year-old son when he has a fever, you're doing fentanyl in there.
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03So it it really, really changed my brain when I learned that in that study. Of uh, I want to know where stuff sourced from. I want to know who's doing it, what's doing it, what why they're doing it. Um, that that's so that's the most advice that I can give you or or anybody is do it the right way. It's not that much more money to do it the right way. You know, um, we build programs, we'll do it, telehealth, and not just us, Ways DeWell. They're a great company out of Texas. Um Bringham does an awesome job. He was kind of an innovator for knocking the insurance model out. Uh, he was a whistleblower on the pharmaceutical companies, he does an outstanding job. And and I don't I've never gone on a podcast and not mentioned his name or that company's name because they do such a good job. We do the similar thing, they do stem cells, we don't, but um, we're very similar, like our blood panels are very, very similar, but um it's just diving deep into these deep dive blood panels and and understanding what we're what we're dealing with. But there's there's two companies, us and them. There's two great companies that you can get it done, and you can get it done safely, you can get it done efficiently, and you can get it. I mean, if you're paying $80 for a bottle of BPC 157, and as soon as you get off of it, you're back to hurt again. Did you do yourself a service? No, yeah, you can do the problem and fix it.
SPEAKER_00So no, for sure. I have two more questions. Number one, the importance of blood work, because we did my blood work when I was down there in November, and I think that was the most like I I wouldn't have known any of that stuff on a regular, you know, you go to your doctor here, they draw your blood, okay, everything's normal. Check, check. And then you're but you're like, hey, something doesn't feel right, you know, or whatever. Then you get that blood panel done that we did. I mean, how important is that too? I mean, it that's all that's separate from the peptides, but just like blood work for people to see, and how often should they be doing that? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, minimum once a year, you know. Um, like myself and our family, we we and I have a lab in-house. I mean, I could draw it every day if I wanted to, you know. Yeah, but for us, it's it's once a year. Um, really dive in. We're looking for autoimmune diseases like Hashimoto's where the body's attacking the thyroid. Now, 20 years ago, that was one in 500 people had Hashimoto's. It's one in eight right now when we're drawing, which is uh absurd, like it's crazy that we're not checking that. Now, your insurance won't allow you won't allow us to check it unless you're symptomatic. Going gone untreated, that causes cancer. And so uh, why are we not checking that if one in eight people have it? Yeah, so just little things like that. Uh, we're diving into the hormones, checking, diving all the way through the hormones, you know, people that are uh deficient in testosterone, for instance. Uh you're susceptible to Alzheimer's dementia, uh prostate cancer. I mean, and the list goes on. The heart's a muscle, your bones start to get soft, you start to lose lose actual muscle also. Now, it's gotten such a bad rap, and it got a bad rap from big pharma. It got a bad rap from a false study that was done 30, 50 years ago, and it was done on 12 people that are already sick, underlying conditions, already in the hospital, and they said it causes brought cancer in men and breast cancer in women. That same company came out 13 years ago, I believe it is now. They came out and said, We actually did a uh this the funny was the study was false, we did it wrong, and it actually protects you from breast cancer, it protects you from from uh uh prostate cancer and all the stuff that I just listed. And so, I mean, that's crazy, and and they're still teaching like our daughter just went through her fourth year of pre-med uh a couple years ago up at Oregon State, and they still taught her the same crap, you know, and so um in our deep dive blood panel, that's what we're really diving in. We're really looking for um for that, you know. I mean, we're looking at your hormones, we're looking at your thyroid, we're looking at, let's look at your A1C, let's look at, let's look for um uh inflammation markers and tumor markers, and there's a lot of preventative stuff that we can catch. And and the body is a very if we catch it early and prevent it, it's it's not as big of a deal to fix it, you know. Let's catch it. And so those those deep dive blood panels are just so important. Um, what we're trying to actively create right now is um to where people don't have to come all the way here to Queen Creek Health Center. I mean, we have 16 locations around the country right now. Um, but what we're trying to actively do is make it to where you know somebody shows up and to you and they draw your blood, spin it, get it to us, um, and then and then we do the telehealth and do everything from there.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, that's pretty awesome. I heard a long time ago, and I've it just goes with this. It says we don't have a healthcare system, we have a sick management system. And I feel like a lot of people in the last couple years have really opened their eyes to that, probably since COVID too, you know, because there was so much stuff, and so I do think it's important to like know yourself and be able to, and so that blood panel, I I think it's super important. And then what the last question I have written down is people have started or talked about dabbling with peptides in horses. Do you think that could be a thing? What do you what do you think about that?
SPEAKER_03Um, I know this guy, yeah, that has a whole bunch of horses too, yeah. Um, and and so we can't prescribe to we can't prescribe to a horse, yeah. We we're human, and so um I personally or we personally know somebody that uh gave it to their barrel horse that broke its navicular or coffin bone. And um uh three of some of the most prestigious vets around the country have looked at this horse. Um, this horse is just an outstanding little cow horse, but crazy fast in the barrels. Yeah, and uh said at this point she's done, breed her, turn around a pastor. This horse was dead, dead ass lame. I mean, walking around on its toes. Um, and within 30 days of being on BPC 157. Now, again, we gave it 10 months off, bred it. Um it aborted the baby two months before it was supposed to have it, and and uh put it on BPC 157 within 30 days. The kid was riding it again. Within 45 days, she was doing time only within two, I think it was within two months, she was competing on it again. And so that's this isn't that the only one. Um, I've heard of other patients and stuff that we've prescribed to that they've given the medication to their horses, and uh they're like pull suspensory 30 days later, done. Like, um, now again, we don't prescribe to animals. Yeah, I really wish a vet would get a hold of me, and every vet that I've talked to about this are like uh I don't know, you know, kind of doing that. Is this the same as a surgeon situation where the surgeons uh the surgeons don't want anything to do with it because they don't get money unless they cut, you know?
SPEAKER_00For sure. And that's what I was gonna say. Is there like because obviously there's not as much money in it as all the other things that they can do, but do you think that that will ever be like studies or anything or I think so?
SPEAKER_03I do, I do. I and you know, the more the more that that this grows, the more that they get a hold of it as far as um uh just how how they get a hold of it and knock more of these gray and black markets out because that's what's really giving it the bad rap. I mean, I have so many patients a day. I mean, we see 200 plus patients a day here sometimes, you know. And um, you know, they'll walk in here and they're like, Oh, I'm on peptides, it doesn't work. Well, where are you getting it? How pure is it? Where did it come from? Like, yes, it does, it works. Unless you're a six percenter, it works. Yeah, so um, I do. I think I think it's gonna go into that that realm for sure. I think it's gonna hit a point where everybody's on peptides at some point, yeah. It's gonna become more of a norm right now. It's a boom, you know, it's a flat.
SPEAKER_00And that's the crappy thing, like professional athletes can't be on it. Um, you know, any any sports, you know, they it's outlawed. Do you think that that will that will ever change?
SPEAKER_03I hope so, because you know, really uh part of me is looks at at NFL, for instance, and those guys are entertainers for us, you know, for everybody that's not that superhuman, yeah, your brother. Yeah, uh, you know, they're superhumans, and um, we want to see them operate at the most awesome. Optimal level possible, and they're asking their bodies to do more than most superhumans can do, you know, and then when they get injured or something happens, the NFL just expects them to you just need to heal because you're a superhuman. Like, let's still it doesn't matter how much of a superhuman they are, their pituity glands still not healing like they would if they were seven, eight, nine years old. Why can't you heal them real quick? You know, and and actually we do, we just can't say it. But I'm I'm really hoping at some point that'll change. Um, you look at Steph Curry, that guy's been dealing with bursitis of uh for on his knee for years now. He's the greatest shooter of all time. Why can't he get that healed real quick? Like put him on a regimen of BPC for two months. I bet it's gone, you know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and where it's a natural thing, or you know, basically, but it's instead it'll be painkillers and surgery and and stuff like that. So that's what's crazy. Um but yeah, hopefully, because I've I've seen what it can do, and like all the cowboys, I mean, uh like when we were down there for the Hondo, and how many of us were sitting out there, you know, and they're they all are big believers. So did I miss anything?
SPEAKER_03Um Steve Kenyon at the at the NFR, he asked me this year, he says, What is this program that you're building for these athletes? Because the for these cowboys, like yeah, everybody's talking about you guys, and I said, It's time for these cowboys and cowgirls to start acting like they're superhumans because they are, you know, it's time for them to start start going, hey, I want to make this long jet. Look at your your husband, Jordan Spears is a stud. Like, why does Jordan Spears look and feel and and have that ride capability still? Yeah, in his age. He's he's a stud. I mean, when I when I watched that video of him getting stomped by that bull, oh my gosh, I was waiting for the phone call. Yeah, and when that happened, I was like, he was fine, you know. I mean, black eye, and I mean, but anybody else that got drug around by their shoulder like that, I mean, hooked up like that, yeah, tore their shoulder out, tore something. I mean, when when when I really, I really encourage our our athletes, and I don't care if it's the kids, I don't care if it's the you know, the high school rodeo kids, or I don't care if it's the NFL, uh uh NFR guys. Um, I really encourage you to work on your health because your longevity in this sport and in this lifestyle and in this community is gonna last a lot longer. Rich Skelton, team roper, right? We all know Rich Skelton, great feeling. I started working with him four months ago now, and he's gonna laugh when he sees hears this. But um, so he texts me a week and a half after being here and he goes, I feel like I can make the NFR again. Yeah, and I go, You better call speed right now and have him call me. You know, because if you're gonna go to the NFR, we need to get you two to do it together.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. That'd be a that'd be a real good story for the peptides, too. Heck yeah, those two.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah. And and and realistically, that's that's all it is. You can be that age and you can you can come back. It's not too late. I don't care how far off people feel like they are, and this isn't just for athletes, this is for your everyday person that just feels like they want to do better for themselves. Get in there and do it. Like you can do this, and and we're we're a huge support system for anyone that that wants to, you know.
SPEAKER_00I was like, and that's what I was gonna say. And like you said, focus on your health, and that goes for the peptides, like you said, uh working out and eating right. I feel like that combination, you'd feel any of us could feel like a superhuman.
SPEAKER_03Well, the biggest problem is is that I see is these guys are traveling all over, they're beating themselves up, and then they're eating like junk, jumping in a car and driving. So you're eating junk, sitting, and then driving all the way to the next rodeo, lack of sleep. We heal when we sleep, you know. So if you're not sleeping, which they're not, you know, they're on the summer run. That the summer run is when I'm called the most. I mean, Trey is calling me, Trey Yates, JD Yates. I mean, I got I got all everybody's calling and saying, Hey, I'm I'm coming up on the summer run. So last year they were calling me during it. This year they're being going, okay, it's coming up. Uh I need a prep and plan, right? I'm like, absolutely. Let's let's let's build the program for your summer run, see how that goes. And then as we move you into the NFR, let's we'll build your program for NFR.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And in their defense, it's really hard to eat well on the road. I mean, and like and get any sleep, like it's almost impossible to have like a if you're going down the road a lot, it's impossible to be on top of it that well, I would say.
SPEAKER_03I I gained 20 pounds when I hauled Miley that nine months and 50,000 miles. I gained 20 pounds that that year.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And I'm like, what the heck just happened? And it happened so fast.
SPEAKER_00Well, and then all of a sudden you're like, even when I go with Jordan or when I was rodeo, and then you get back and you're like, or like, and then you try to go do a workout and you're like, I am struggling right now. But that's the thing. Jordan can get home right now and go to the gym with me and still, you know, almost beat me. Kidding, but and cause and he feels great, and he's not, and I'm like, I'm so sorry. He's like, I'm not, I'm like, oh my gosh. But I just, yeah, I'm a huge advocate for him, so I'm super glad we got to talk about it. And yeah, the amount of cowboys, and like you said, everyday people, but right now, this is like the beginning of it getting really busy. I mean, next week there's so many rodeos, crazy, yeah. So I really think that that them hearing this and and giving you a call because it it could save a lot of heartbreak of injury and stuff, too.
SPEAKER_03And preventative, you know, that's that's the biggest thing is most of these guys are calling us after that they've already got hurt.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_03So these small injuries turn in these big injuries. So let's build a program and get you preventative, let's be preventative before that ever happens, you know. Yeah, um, it's it's yeah. I if if I can encourage anybody, uh call us first. Yep, call Rainey, call Jordan, you know, call any of the rough stock guys, and they're gonna know my phone number, you know. Just uh get my phone number directly, call me directly. Don't wait in the three-month wait that it is at my clinic, you know. Like call me directly and let's build that program that that can help you, you know, or at least let me give you some advice so you can go build that program if you want to do it on your own. I don't care, I don't I don't really care either way, except for the fact that I just don't know where your stuff's coming from. Yeah, and and really we didn't dabble into this too much, but on the there's more to being optimal than just peptides, you know, like the testosterone sides of stuff is so key, you know? Yeah, I mean that's that's if you're deficient in testosterone and we dabbled in a little bit, we've you gotta get that fixed, you know.
SPEAKER_00Maybe I've heard I did and I didn't mean to interrupt you again, but I've heard when you start taking testosterone, is it because this could be a misconception, I'm no idea. Does that mean your body never start starts producing it, or does that I mean, how does that work?
SPEAKER_03It already wasn't. So if you went on testosterone, you already weren't, and so let's say we want you 900 to 1100 on your testosterone numbers um on your total, uh, and you're 300. If if I start testosterone today and I'm 300, and I get me up to a thousand and I quit in two months, I'm gonna go back down to that 300 where I was at. So I don't stop producing it. That that's for people that are doing like, I want to go to 2500 or 3,000, you know, like people that are using it, sure, you know. Um an overdoe of prednisone because you got sick will will destroy your naturally production of testosterone. And so, no, that's that's it's not it's not true at all. We're not we're not overdoing people, we're getting them back to where they're supposed to be. Um, and then one other thing that we do is we actually compound it with omega oils so it doesn't have the cotton seed oil in it, doesn't dry blood pressure, doesn't drive cholesterol, so it's good for you. Yeah, so just little things, little things like that that can really help um can really help with people's overall health, you know. Let's not start you on testosterone and then you get four medications that come with it. Yeah, we don't need a blocker, an estrogen blocker, a high blood pressure pill, and a cholesterol pill because you wanted to go on testosterone.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03How about we put you on omega oil testosterone sypionate that's compounded with omega oils, put you on dim so you have a uh an estrogen converter so it flips it back, so you're not blocking it, and that's it, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and so when you come in and you guys draw the blood, and like you said, if we you can do it getting it to where you can do it from where you're at, and then all the hormones and stuff are on that too. So, like if you need like progesterone, right, or testosterone and stuff, then that's when we would know.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, so we don't we don't put anybody on it without knowing. So we're we're a very big uh if anything we take, we have to filter. Um so don't take something that you're not deficient in. Like, if you're not deficient in vitamin C, don't take vitamin C. You don't need it, you know. Um uh we see more naturopaths out here in Arizona since we've been here, and this is not to bash on naturopaths because I actually really do like naturopaths. Um I I've seen more naturopaths do more damage to patients because they're putting them on 20 different supplements that they have to filter and they're it's killing their kidneys, they're overloading them. Well, did we check to make sure that they're deficient in all that stuff first? Yeah, that's that's key, is and that's why I really like that blood panel is is we get to dive in and see what that looks like first, you know.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, and I mean I was uh I was that way. I mean, I was on taking too many things because you think you're like, Oh, I'm being healthy, I'm taking these athletic greens or this vitamin pack and this you know, I'm drinking this healthy fit-aid drink or whatever. And Nicole was like, You don't need to take all that stuff, or and everybody's now is on an electrolyte supplement. Which is too much, huh?
SPEAKER_03Which is too much. I mean, if you're too much sodium, it's too much, uh uh, it's just not good for you, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's I was like, if unless I, you know, sit in the sauna and go to the gym or whatever, I don't take electrolytes, but I didn't know that before talking to you guys, really. I just was like, oh, this is everybody can everybody does this 500 milligrams of sodium, you know, every single day in their water.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, I'm I'm I'm full of electrolytes, but dang it, I have high blood pressure now. Yep, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, what do you think about creatine?
SPEAKER_03I love it. Okay, you know, uh creatine's great, um done right, you know, and and sourcing a good creatine. That's that's another big one, you know. There's so much junk out there. Um, my little brother, he was a stud little football player in in high school, and uh he had a full ride to UC Davis and Stanford for middle linebacker. I think those were the two he was on, if I remember right. Um, but total stud. He was on creatine back in high school, and to this day, and now he's old, but to this day, he swears up and down that that gave him roid rage. And I'm like, you're out of your mind, dude. You you you don't get roid rage from creatine, you know. Like you were a 17-year-old male, you were roid raging, anyways, you know, without and you're a football player, you were eating like four steaks a day, protein shakes. I mean, yeah, you were training to to get out there and scrap, yeah. Sure, you were ragey, you know.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. I I started taking it just me as an example, and then I'm like, people are like, Oh, you can get big or this and that. So I'm like, I quit taking it, but then I take it now because they say how good it is for women specifically, like brains, or if you have lack of sleep. I mean, am I saying this all right?
SPEAKER_03Like, is um, I never, you know, there's so many different ones that I don't I don't even want to give advice on it because we don't do it here. Yeah, um, but I didn't feel like it helped my sleep at all. Things the one thing that's really helped my sleep is getting my human growth hormone levels higher, and so not introducing a foreign human growth hormone, you know, when that that uh that craze of bodybuilders was doing human growth hormone and the women in Hollywood were doing it for anti-aging, you know. Uh if you do too much human growth hormone, it's it causes a thing called giantism. Like, look at Sylvester Stallone on Tulsa King now. Yeah, from Rocky. Why does he look so weird? You know, it's because his organs continue to grow. I mean, he's they all get this like pooch in their stomach. Uh his forehead gets bigger and his hands got bigger, like it literally still makes you grow, and you get a thing called giantism. And the bad thing about uh, and this goes back to putting something foreign into the body that's that's not turning yours back on. Um, if you had anything cancerous going on, it would it was like pouring fuel on the fire and feed it. And so um there's one called SMORlin that I absolutely love for just your every everyday person. Uh it's a called SMORIN. It turns your human growth hormone back on in your brain and dumps it into the body. Now there's a more aggressive version called CJC1295 with hipermorlin. Um, Jordan knows what that is, I'm pretty sure.
SPEAKER_00Yep. And these are both peptides, SMORLin and CJC. Yep.
SPEAKER_03Yep. And so that one's a little bit more aggressive. It targets hard lean muscle. And so we utilize that a lot for people that have been injured. Say you tear a rotator and you can only lift your arm halfway, you're you're you get atrophy. Um, you know, your arm can't go above above your head, you're not firing those muscles, and so that muscle starts to go away. And so we utilize CJC or Sumorlin for that to get that muscle to come back as fast as that injury. But also, if you're working out like Jordan Spears is, you're Jordan Spears when you're on CJC 1295 because you're that human growth hormone. So that's the one thing that's changed my sleep. Um, is when I'm on Sumorlin, man, my REM deep sleep. Is Jordan getting that too?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I mean, my my my deep sleep is like what we heal when we sleep. So there's so much recovery that happens when that's accurately happened.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, the sleep, yeah, very important. Um I'm I think that's everything I have, but if you have more, I feel like you've done awesome, but I don't want to have forgotten anything.
SPEAKER_03I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00Um I think I will um keep sending people your way because it's been going great for everyone.
SPEAKER_03Awesome.
SPEAKER_00So um, well, thank you, Kevin. I appreciate it. Next time maybe Nicole can jump on with us too, because that would be awesome. But we'll definitely have you back on. And uh I'm sure I'll be talking to you soon.
SPEAKER_03Awesome, Rainy. Thanks for the time.
SPEAKER_00Thank you.
SPEAKER_03Take care. Spears coffee. Really fucking good.