The Divine Blueprint for Family and Faith

In this episode, Father Charles Murr discusses the importance of family, faith, prayer, and the role of Mary in our spiritual lives. He shares insights from his nearly 50 years of priesthood, emphasizing the significance of love, communication, and divine grace in building a strong family foundation.

Chapters
00:00 - Exploring Life Without Sin
03:27 - The Power of Authenticity
18:16 - Humor in Conversations
20:22 - Honesty as a Virtue
25:51 - The Importance of Acknowledgment
31:10 - Navigating Challenges
34:00 - Embracing Vulnerability
37:38 - Gratitude in Dialogue
42:07 - The Role of Respect
43:30 - Affirmation and Agreement
44:54 - The Value of Listening
54:05 - The Essence of Communication
56:29 - Understanding Through Empathy
01:01:58 - The Impact of Presence
01:02:37 - The Power of Connection

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hi, my name is Martin.

SPEAKER_03 0:01

And I'm Tiffany.

SPEAKER_00 0:02

And we are the traditional Catholic couple. Today we have the blessings to have uh Father Charles Moore with us. And um he's gonna be talking about with us discussing about how important it's to go in and have God in a family. Uh Father Charles, welcome to the Catholic show, the Catholic Traditional Catholic Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Well, thank you for having me. Thank you for having me. Thank you for your invitation. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Yeah, thank you. Father, will you lead us in prayer so we can start?

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Absolutely. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. Our Father who wants in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Give us the libre and forgive trespasses as we forget those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation. Amen. Okay, party. So we we are oh, I almost are speaking Spanish, you throw me off.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

I want to keep you really on your toes.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Definitely, Father, definitely. You know, we were discussing recently with my uh my wife and some some friars yesterday about the importance of the family, right? Uh how important is God in having God as a center, right? As as as the core for a family, right? Uh we were discussing too, because it's a friar that he was sharing with us, the his family after his dad and mom, after they raised their kid, after 30 plus years of marriage, they divorce. And this is uh a Catholic family, right? They their son is a friar. So it was it was kind of for me, it was kind of shocking. I I was I was in shock. I was like, well, I guess that this is because they're trusting themselves and not trusting God first, not having God in the middle first. So any comments?

SPEAKER_01 2:34

It reminds me of a story of uh of a couple, uh Joseph and Mary, right? Just a regular couple who appeared before the judge. They had been married for 75 years. They were in their 90s, they were in their 90s, everyone knew them in town, everyone knew them in town. They appeared before the judge, and the judge says, uh, Mary, Joseph, how are you? Haven't seen you. Uh what are you here for? And they said, We want to come and petition for a divorce. The judge said, A divorce after 75 years of marriage? You're in your 90s. Why in the world did well? We never got along. We always argued, and we found out it was we just decided it was time to get a divorce. And he said, But why did you wait so long? And you know what their answer was? We wanted to wait until the children died. I want to tell you something. I want to tell you something that something that you already know. Uh man is made in the image of God. We've heard this forever. We heard this forever. What does that mean? It means a lot of things. It means a lot of things. But one of the fundamental or important things that it means is that man was meant to create a family. Why do I say that? Because God is a family. God is a family. I mean, there's no other way to look at it. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are a family. That's exactly it. Do you know that we are the only religion in all of the religions that exist who can explain to some degree, to some human degree, anyway, how God is love. Every religion sooner or later says that God is love. They come to the conclusion in their own evolution, in their own development, they come to the conclusion that God is love. Even the Muslims come to the conclusion that God is love. What is their problem? Their problem is that they have one God and He's love. And He's one person. Well, have you ever seen one person who loves? If I say to you, I love, what is your immediate question? Who? Who do you love? Right? And I say, No one, I just love. Well, it doesn't make any sense. God loves in himself, God's love is dynamic, it exists in himself. It's not, it's not a noun. God's love is a verb, it's an action, it happens. And everything that God creates is created, especially his his neclos ultra creation, which humbly we admit is man, mankind, us humans, is to one degree or another supposed to imitate him. We're made in his image and in his likeness. Well, if God is family, what were we meant to be? Family. You know that no, no, no man is meant to live alone. Even even monks who give up marriage, and nuns who give up marriage, they live in community. Yes. The community becomes their family. Family is necessary for all of us to exist. And I'll tell you something else that both of you know very well. It is the foundation of every human society that has ever existed and ever will exist. The nucleus is the family, so it's very, very important. Why do you think that the devil is so intent on destroying the family? Why do you think? Because it's the image of God. If he can destroy that, ultimately, what he's looking to do is destroy the nation, destroy civilization, destroy Christianity, destroy anything that he can. And he does it very subtly with with uh with lies. He's the father of lies. I like Fulton J. Sheen, who I who I like very much, uh Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, he put it this way, very simply and very succinctly. He said, if God is, if God says, I am who am or I am who I am, the devil says, I am who I am not. And and people who get divorced, people who destroy their family, people who destroy unity, people who destroy the image of God on earth by destroying the family, all of them are convinced that they're doing the right thing. Of course, they're not. They've been convinced of the they've been convinced of the wrong thing. There's one other thing I want to say in this, and then I promise to be quiet for a minute. I promise to take a breath and let you talk. But I've run into so many people, I'm almost 50 years a priest. And I've believe me, I've run into every kind of person imaginable with every kind of story imaginable, with every kind of past imaginable, with every kind of sin imaginable, with every kind of glory imaginable. I've heard it all. But one thing that irritates me very much, and it is to hear a mother or a father say to me, a mother or a father who is getting divorced, who want to divorce uh their their husband or their wife, when they say, I you ask, well, what about the children? And some many times their answer is this I love my children unconditionally. That doesn't change. I laugh. I said, you love your children unconditionally? No, you don't. No, you don't. What a lie that is. You love your children unconditionally. You love your children conditionally. You don't love them unconditionally. If you love them unconditionally, you wouldn't even think of divorcing their mother. You wouldn't even think of divorcing their father if it unconditionally. And then then you have the same thing, for example, that the the joke that I told you of Joseph and Mary, the older couple who wanted to get a divorce, right? You have people who stay in their marriage, and this I suspect is the case that you were talking about originally. They stay in their marriage for the sake of their children. The children they want to be to be to become adults, then they'll get married, then they'll get divorced. Let me tell you something. There is no son or daughter of his or her mother or father. Whoever stops being a child and never stops needing his mother or his father. I don't care if they're 55 years old, 75 years old, whatever. The dream is to be with their mother and their father. That's security. They need that in their lives. They need that in their lives as adults, not only as children, as adults, they need that stability. Uh, don't take that away from them. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that to your children. Your children are the greatest gift that God has given you. That procreation. Assisting, stop and listen to that. Procreation. Procreation, assisting God in the act of creation. Yep. And you say goodbye to that? No, no. You give scandal to that? You turn your back on that? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Time for men, it's time to be real men. For women, it's time to be real women. That's it. There. Now you can now you can come with the topic of believers and you can talk.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Oh my lord. That father, this is so amazing what you just mentioned. You know, as for me, like I said, in the beginning, it was kind of shocking. I was like, wait, I I was expecting more like they were not a Catholic couple. Maybe they were just, you know, regular marriage, like everybody else, they just got together, chuckled off, and and had kids. Um, so I was I was it it took me a surprise at that moment. And it's just like me, it's a good friendly reminder, like you said. You know, we cannot be the moment that we take everything on our hands and we believe that we can handle anything, we are really in the wrong. I always say that, you know, the relationship in a marriage is a threat zone, right? It's my wife, myself, and Christ in the middle. Without him, we're nothing. We cannot do anything. Nothing. We always everything that we do is that we don't put Christ first and we do his will, we're gonna end off always failing. It's a total failure, Father. Whatever you want to see it in any way, and it's always get by by dissection. This is the problem in a lot of families. The dissection they put that how they de the demons of the devil manipulate all this. And it's that they they make it see like, oh no, you know, everything's gonna be better, everything is fine, the kids don't need it. It's like you said, it won't matter how older the kidder gets. I saw a friar yesterday almost getting to a point of the emotional okay. I can see him, it was pain. And then at the same time, it's kind of like his his way to offer up that and seeing, but it's actually how affecting is affecting his brother. So when I hear that, I was like, you look, your brother is is an adult, and it's not it's not it's not a functional adult at the end because he has so many things going on and depending on people, and it's actually even he doesn't even believe in God, right? That's his brother, and his and him, his brother is is a friar dedicated for the last 14 years to the Lord. So you can see the contrast. His little brother, I don't even believe in God. So, you know, another thing that I want to touch on this, Father, is the importance of prayer. A lot of people that we call ourselves Catholics, but guess what? We're very good only to go to a basic, right? We only go to our Sunday Mass, and that's about the extent it gets. Maybe twice a year confession, and that's about how it gets.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

70% of us don't attend Sunday Mass. 70% of Catholics do not attend Sunday Mass. So they don't even do that.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

And guessing why we are how we are in the society, right? It's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

It doesn't make sense to you how that we are how we are, it makes perfect sense to me. As a matter of fact, it's ridiculous that we're not worse off. I don't understand many times how God has such patience with us, beginning with me. Beginning with me. I'm no exception to that. Beginning with me. It's amazing the patience that God has. I congratulated God yesterday in prayer. When I went in before the Blessed Sacrament, I said, I have to congratulate you. I've never met any being in my life with more patience than you with me. How patient you are with me. It's incredible. I would not have the same patience with me or with anybody else that you have with me. It's remarkable. What is prayer? Prayer is communication. Let's go back to the original theme. Why do you think people get divorced? What is lacking in their marriage? Communication.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

Communication, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

It's really simple. These are not complicated things. And and besides, let me just put this even those who don't believe in God, it doesn't matter. We follow natural law. Natural law is of God, of course, and natural law tells you how to be happy and how not to be happy. So if you don't want to follow natural law, if you don't want to follow the nature of things, go right ahead and not follow it. But don't expect to be happy.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

Correct.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

And you're not going to be.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

Yep. It's true. It's true.

SPEAKER_01 15:37

Isn't it amazing how full of, isn't it amazing how full of wisdom Father Murray is? He just never stopped being wise.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

I love it, Father. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 15:50

Yeah. Father, so we kind of uh touch base about how uh how important it is for the parents to have like that really um strong foundation with each other. If not, it kind of leads to divorce because they let other things get in the middle. But what about those really strong, faithful Catholics uh who are devoted to their faith, but for some reason their children aren't following them in the same footsteps?

SPEAKER_01 16:14

That's that's more and more common, isn't it? It's very common. Uh as a matter of fact, I met a married couple not too long ago who have, I think they had seven children, adults. Their children are adults, and all seven of them are practicing Catholics. All seven of their children are practicing Catholics, which is amazing. Amazing. Uh, I asked them, of course, what the secret was, and they said we were happy in our marriage, we lived a Catholic life and a Catholic lifestyle, we didn't do anything extraordinary, and we were happy. And I and the husband said, I think our children saw that and wanted that. I think they wanted that. I think they looked at their mother and me, said the father, and wanted what we had, and they repeated it. Now, I'm not saying that there are many married couples who give very good examples, and their children turn out to be horrible people, horrible people. If you you'd be surprised how many men, especially, and I know of quite a few cases, in prison for heinous crimes, who actually came from very good families. Good families. They were they were raised on good Christian principles, not always Catholic, but some Protestants, and uh things turn out this way. You have to be, oh my goodness, where is look at look what you came up with.

SPEAKER_03 18:00

Look what they look at this. Surprise.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

We are surprised, guess right now our two-month procreation. Two months, she's two months.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

You look at the picture that I'm looking at right now and not see a reflection of the Holy Trinity. I don't know what you're seeing.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

We live the nature of God on earth, two people who love each other so much that the love with which they love each other becomes a third person.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Yeah, yeah. I know.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

The father loves the son, the son loves the father so much that they, you know, look, there was a there is a uh Spanish Catalan. You have to be very careful in Spain, because the the Catalan think that they're they're they're they're they're not Spanish, they're Catalan. But there's a there's a Catalan uh author, uh a brilliant man by the name of Ramon Luru, who said one time, he wrote a beautiful book, the Lamik and Alamat, the Friend and the Beloved. And he gives a thought for every day. There are 365 thoughts, and he's talking about he's talking about a friend and his beloved friend. Of course, he's also speaking about the father and the son, he's speaking about human friendship and human love. Any any love is this way, and he comes to one point and he says, he says, There's just one more thing in loving you that I lack. And the beloved said, and what is that? And he answered, he said, To love the love with which I love you. What is that? We call that the Holy Spirit, don't we? The love between the Father and the Son, who is so dynamic and so dense, he becomes eternally a third person. Anyway, that's uh this where are we going? Get me back, draw me back into what we're what the theme is. I'm getting off track.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

No, no, it's not really, honestly. But but the most important part is prayer, prayer change, you know. Right? So that's where we started say about love. Uh we experienced to the core love with him in any single way that you can imagine. Um, especially in the moments of tribulations, and the moments that there was difficulty, in the moments that we find ourselves without answers, without opportunities. He came and do miracles in our life. Miracles. I'm not talking about something minor, I'm talking about big things in our life, right? So I I I don't know, like that maybe this is the part that I want family. This is where we actually start with podcasts. This podcast was starved to go in and tell families like we need to fight because it's it's a lot of misinformation, right? It's a lot of people, like I said, they believe that they're doing the right thing uh just to go in and provide, like men. We just provide for the family, and this that's the extent it will go, right? They just work and provide. They believe that it's gonna be they're gonna they're gonna be fine later on, and the marriage is gonna be fine, and the children are gonna grow up, okay. And and that's the extent that they will go, but that's a lie. It's not.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Didn't that concept die about 50 years ago?

SPEAKER_00 21:55

You'll be surprised. It's a lot of people still believe that that works.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

There are a lot of people that are wrong because a father's role in a family is has to be active, not just slapping down a paycheck every Friday.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Correct.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

His wife needs him. And he better be man enough to be able to do to do that, or he shouldn't get married.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

Yeah, yeah. True. True.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

Father, so when you say active, like what should a father look like when it when it is active with the children, when it is active with being active with his wife?

SPEAKER_01 22:31

You know, you can answer this. You know it yourself, and so do you. And I remember it. I remember, and and I know you do, moments alone with my father. No, we were eight children. We were eight children. I was the oldest of eight. I remember the times alone with my father, speaking with my father alone. That he took time to come down to my level when I was four years old, when I was seven years old, when I was 10 years old, when I was 15, and an arrogant son of a gun I was. Even then, he came down to my level and he spoke with me. And I remember those conversations. They were very important to me. Maybe not at the moment, but boy, are they important today. And I'm not just talking about because they were nice memories. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because they were formation, they were points of formation, they formed my character. My father made me stop and think. I'll give you an example. One time, I think I was seven years old, maybe. I remembered how to get to the grocery store from our house. And I took my little sister with me. We went to the grocery store and we stole candy. You know what I did? It was incredible because I my mother sent me to buy something. I don't know, a head of lettuce or something, something like that, something practical. And I got a shopping cart. I'll never forget it. I got a shopping cart, and we hid the candy down below. So we just paid for what we had there, and we went through and we had all of the candy. Well, when I came home and I showed everything that I had, all the candy, my father said to me, Come here, where did you get the money to buy all of that candy? Oh, I told a lie. First of all, I stole. First of all, I stole. Secondly, I told a lie. And the more questions he asked me, the more lies I told. Well, he saw he saw that immediately. He saw that immediately. He saw that I was lying.

SPEAKER_02 24:53

What did he do?

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Now, many parents would say nothing. Many parents would say no. As a matter of fact, many parents wouldn't even notice that they didn't give enough money. If you give a dollar and your child comes home with five dollars worth of candy, there's something wrong. Many parents wouldn't even notice that. They wouldn't pay attention. Mine did. My father marched me back to the grocery store with all of the candy. And in front of the manager, he called the manager. I had to give back the the candy and apologize for being a thief at seven years of age. Now, how humiliating was that. I really don't. As a as a young man, as an adult, no, it was a point of you don't do that. I learned that lesson. Why? Because my father took time to teach me a lesson.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

My father loved me. My father loved me enough to correct me.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Correct.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

Let me let me let me say that again. My father loved me enough to correct me. That's very important. It's very important. Because by not correcting your children doesn't show that you love them, it shows you don't care.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

And correcting them shows you love them. You want them to be better men and better women. That's what you want. I remember the conversations with my father, that what sometimes we call alone time. Alone time. My father would take me for a ride. Come, come, we're going here, we're going there. And just and would give me a piece of chewing gum. Right? He would rip the chewing gum in two, he would take part, and I would take the other half. And we would talk. I remember those conversations. They're still precious to me. My mother, the same thing. The same thing. There would be times when she was in the kitchen, she's like, Come here, help me with this. And we would start talking about. I remember those conversations. Those times together were very, very, very important. I didn't realize it at the time. I realize it today. And they were, they were, they were part of my formation. They formed me. So that's what's necessary, I think. Alone time with your children to show each child that each child is important. I mean, you can talk to 12 children in a group. It's not the same thing. As taking time individually. I'm talking one minute, two minutes, five minutes. It's not a big, I'm not talking about three hours, each child, just alone time. So that that child knows that you love him or her.

SPEAKER_00 28:14

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. 100%. And that is all led by the parents, right? We go back to the same thing. Sometimes, you know, this this is what I see now, father. We have parents that both of them. Unfortunately, both of them they need to work. Because economy doesn't allow you to have only one parent providing, usually the men providing. So both of them, mom and dad, they gotta be the providers now. So guess what? That leave the children being raised by the schools, being raised by a friend or by a nanny or by somebody else. The it's not it's not gonna be the same like the parents. It will never be the same.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

I'm gonna get up for a minute just to turn on the fans. All right. But I'm listening, I'm listening, I'm listening, I'm not going anywhere. I'll be right back.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

Yeah. So this is something that we've been seeing, right? This is one of the first problems that we see. Parents are a little too busy in their own personal life, trying to provide for the family, or or sometimes even forgetting about herself. I think so. This going back to what I saw with the friar, it was he mentioned something that that caught my attention right away. He said they after they raised their children, their parents realized that they don't know each other, that they were a completely stranger to each other.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

Excuse me, who were they living with all those girls?

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Correct. So but you can see that right there is a key that you mentioned something in the beginning, the conversation. You say a key, right, is communication.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

Of course, of course, of course.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

So guess, you know, we well, like I said, I'm so thankful to God because he helped us. But guess what I used to miss when we were having problems as a couple? Because, you know, we go through a lot of trouble before we still we know the Lord. But it it was that, it was lacking the communication. She will try and on the hardest way to communicate with me. But me, I don't, I don't have that on my myself. I think so. I was actually induced by God. Like, help me, and it's still work in progress, right? I know perfect. I'm far, far, far from progress. I am, I am. You know, he's working with me, and and you mentioned something today, too. You give him thanks to God. So I gotta do that too. Go to the blessed sacrament and say, Lord, I'm gonna give you thank you today for being patient with me. Because Lord, you you know, you made me see it today. It's true. He's you know, I probably you know or Lord is scratching the head father with me, okay? A lot of times it's like, boy, you know, Martin.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

Yeah, that's true. That's true. But the but look, there's there's uh communication is knowledge. If you want to know a person, you're not going to know that person without communicating. And especially in the old testament, uh there's a there's a beautiful thing that I don't know if people I don't know if people realize, but in uh in the old testament, uh they don't speak so openly about sexual intercourse. What is spoken about is knowledge. In other words, Adam knew Eve. Doesn't say Adam had sex with Eve. No, no, no, no, no. Adam knew Eve. Adam had a knowledge, an intimate knowledge of Eve. Eve had an intimate knowledge of Adam. The sexual, the sexual act represents that knowledge, and it's called to know one another. He knew her, she knew him. The blessed mother says, when the holy, when the holy, uh, holy uh archangel uh Mike uh uh Gabriel appears to her and announces to her that she was meant to be the mother of God, what does she say? How can this be since I do not know man? I don't know man, I don't have that knowledge of man. Isn't that a beautiful way? Rather than rather than say sex, there's sex, sex, no, knowledge, an intimate knowledge. Well, that where doesn't where does intimate knowledge come from? It comes from communication. You know each other through communication, you just don't look at each other and know each other. You know each other through communication. Well, that's what's key, and that's what's lacking in a lot of a lot of marriages. I worked for I worked for 15 years in Mexico, and I saw many attitudes that I liked, I loved of the Mexican people, and I saw some attitudes that were unhealthy. And one of them that was a little bit unhealthy was the machismo. Yeah. Now now we've gone to the other extreme. Now there are women who wish their men were machos.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

Exactly, right? So the feminist on the men.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

Yeah, but but but the point was that the the the macho the machismo is the machismo has this mathematical equation. What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

Now what's yours is mine, and what's mine is yours. No, no, no, no. What's mine is mine. I can I I hold on to mine. In other words, I want to know all about you. I want to know how you're behaving, what you're thinking, and this, that, and the other thing. But I'm not going to tell you what I'm doing and what I'm thinking. That's none of your business. No, that's not communication. And that's where a lot of a lot of marriages that I saw in Mexico, thank thank God for the women. Thank God for the Mexican women who have a patience level that I've never seen anything like it.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

Hey, my wife is Mexican father.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

I am Nicaraguan, so it's a little bit different.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

Um little bit different, but you know very well what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

Throughout all of uh Hispano America, especially, that comes for that comes from Spain and Italy, France, and and and all of Europe. It's a it's uh it's too bad, but I think we're over that to a great degree. And I think people understand that they are equal in rights and obligations as their partner is, or to their partner.

SPEAKER_00 35:14

Yeah, no, I agree. I totally agree with everything that you said. Yeah um how important it's in our contract.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

It's in our contract that you must agree with everything that I say, otherwise they don't survive.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

I agree, I agree. Um you know what, Father, another thing that I do uh value the Lord give us, right? Is that the opportunity to get closer to him is a holy sacrament or confession. Um I think that that's another issue that the men and either the woman, both of them, they both uh husband and wife are kind of failing totally in it's a holy sacrament of confession. For some reason, men, I think so. That's something they have for a very long time. They will have that problem to go confess, right? They they they have something. I don't know what is going on with this, but it's someone that they they they believe that they're okay, they just gotta do a minimum. It's if the church allows it to do only twice a year, that's what they're gonna do, twice a year. Um they don't know. I I guess that they don't they don't understand that the most important part on going to confession is the graces and virtues that the Lord do and all the chains that he's breaking on you through confession to keep you close to him, and the charity to go with it, right? Anything is so much to go with with confession, either either for a replica, I think so. He mentioned something the uh for amor, it was harder amor. The the confession is is a hundred times more stronger than an exorcist, right? The the how the the ritual. So a single confession. So what can you tell us on that?

SPEAKER_01 37:01

Well, why do you think that is? Why is that? Why, why do you think you're right, you're correct. You are correct. Why?

SPEAKER_00 37:13

Well, I don't I don't I don't know, I'm asking you for that reason.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

That's too easy. That's too easy. Do you think let me help you out because we only have an hour here in this program, right? Let me do this.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

But we we got time, it can go a little longer.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

We can go longer. I was I was gonna go shorter.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

Here's the thing, here's the thing. None of us like to admit when we are wrong. We don't like that. We don't like that, we don't like that one bit. Uh, you know that uh oftentimes boys, it's almost it's in their nature, it's just in their nature, uh, get into fights in the schoolyard or on the street or what they get into fights, stupid fights for stupid reasons. But basically, it is I'm right, you're wrong. That's what it comes down to. I'm right, you're wrong. And the only way that you're going to show that I'm wrong is by beating me up in a physical, a physical fight.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Of course, that that doesn't make you right. That's ridiculous. That's simply ridiculous. If if you can beat me up physically, it doesn't mean that you're right. But this is how we think, because we don't like to think an awful lot. But it's difficult for us to admit when we're wrong. I think it's very difficult for a husband to admit to his wife when he's wrong. Okay, it's very difficult, it's very difficult, but it has to be done. Because that's the sign of a real man. A real man admits when he's wrong. He admits it and he changes. He does his best to become a right thinker, a right actor, to act correct. I've done wrong, I know it. I'm going to change. I'm going to do, I'm going to do better. I'm going to do better. I want to be a better man. There's a great line in a movie. One of the only movies, I Jack Nicholson to me is a I enjoy his acting sometimes. He's been in some movies that are really stupid, also. But one of the movies that he acted so well in was uh As Good as It Gets. And the line that was most beautiful, a very powerful line, uh, he he had fallen in love with this with this woman, and he said to her, and he meant it, he meant this deeply. He said, You make me want to be a better man. That's why I love you. You make me want to be a better man. Well, God wants you to be a better man, and part of being better is recognizing your own limits. When you're wrong, you're wrong. You you admit it. When you sin against the law of God, you sin. Well, say you're sorry. No, I can't do that. Men don't say they're sorry. Oh, men don't say you're sorry. Really? No. The men that I know who are real men are strong enough to say I'm sorry. Cowards don't say they're sorry. Cowards run away from saying I'm sorry. Real men stands up and he takes what he deserves and he recognizes his faults and becomes strong enough. It takes strength to do that, not weakness. It's not weak to say I'm to say you're wrong. It's not weak to ask God's forgiveness. It's strong. It's strength. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

Okay, Father, before we close, for me, the rosary, the importance of the prayer of the rosary as a family, that changed our life on our personal experience. On your 50 years, almost 50 years that you have a preschool, how important is our lady?

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Oh, there's no question. Without our lady, we don't have our Lord, do we? Without that woman saying yes, we don't have God in our lives, really. That woman, that woman who said yes. Now, if you don't think that that woman is extremely powerful and extremely loved by her son, you've got another guest coming. You've got another guest coming. Our Lord loves that woman. This is why, as Catholics, and I I laugh at Protestants, poor Protestants. I feel sorry for them. I really do. They're so they're so uh they're so insistent on hating Mary. Why would you hate the mother of God? Why in the world would you hate the mother of God? And they hate her. They hate her. What what ignorant, ignorant fools? The mother of God, Mary Most Holy, was created just as Eve was created. They say, Well, why was she created without original sin? That's unnatural. No, no, that's natural. Adam and Eve were created without original sin. Sin came into being through Adam and Eve's fault, but they weren't created that way. God didn't make them that way. God created them in a perfect way. To restart the whole nature of grace and to redeem all of humanity, God restarted humanity through one woman who was created just like Eve without sin. This is why we say Maria Purissima Sin pecado.

SPEAKER_02 43:32

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

She was she was created like Eve was created. The same thing. Like Adam was created. This is our natural state. Mary was created this way. And just a minute, just stop and imagine. This is mind boggling. God asked her permission.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

God asked her permission to come into the world through her. And this woman could have said no.

SPEAKER_01 44:11

She was completely free. She had all of the freedom in the world. But she was conceived without sin, so she wasn't as selfish as all of us are. And she said, Yes. Fiat, let it be done. Now, that woman, if you don't think that Christ Jesus has a particular soft spot in his heart for that woman, you're a fool. You're a fool. And not only that, not only that, just a minute here, just a minute here, now that we're on the subject. Do you love your mother?

SPEAKER_00 44:50

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

Do you love your mother?

SPEAKER_00 44:54

Yeah. You sure?

SPEAKER_02 44:58

Yes. Okay, I got a yes from both of you. Outside of your wife. Who's the most beautiful woman in the world?

SPEAKER_01 45:12

I mean, really, who you love most and who's the most beautiful woman in the world. If it's not your mother, shame on you.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

No, it isn't my mother. It is.

SPEAKER_01 45:24

It is. All of our mothers to us are the most beautiful women in the world because our first loves. The first time we loved was that woman was our mother.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

It's true, Father.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

I was privileged in a little rancheria to be present for the birth of a child. I'd never seen a child be born before. And this took place during dinner. We were having dinner. And the woman who was making dinner, Diorus, we went there like La Cena during during dinner. Incredible. It was remarkable. And there was a storm, and it was horrible. The rain and wind was horrible. And we were stuck there, no light, only lanternas, what do you call it? Lanterns?

SPEAKER_00 46:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

Farores? Yeah. This we're out in the middle of nowhere. And this woman gave birth to a child. I will never forget many things of that evening. One of the things I will never forget is when the the baby was put in his mother's on his mother's breast. And when that child looked up and saw his mother, and she looked down and saw her child, boom, there was an explosion, a dynamic that I can't explain as a man. I can't explain it. But that child knew in his own little head. Oh, this is the person who carried me for nine months. This is the voice I've been hearing since I became and since I came into existence. This is the voice. This is the smile. These are the eyes. In one instant, fantastic instant, a magnificent revelation that happens every day, and it happens to every every woman who gives birth to every child. It's fantastic, just fantastic. Can you imagine you love your mother and she's the most beautiful woman in the world next to your life, after your wife? Okay. But you had nothing to do. Did you decide what color eyes your mother was going to have?

SPEAKER_00 47:58

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 47:58

Did you decide how tall, how tall your mother was going to be?

SPEAKER_00 48:03

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

How intelligent she was going to be? The tone of her voice? No. No, not nothing. And yet you loved what was given. You loved what was there. Imagine being Jesus Christ, our Lord. He gave her the color of her eyes. He gave her the shape of her face. I like I in Spanish is a beautiful way of saying it that we don't have in not in English anyway. Suandar.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

Caminaba con gracia, the way she walked in grace. Everything about her he put together. Saint Bernard. Saint Bernard, what is what does Saint Bernard call our lady? What does he call Mary? Hija de tu hijo. Daughter of your son. Daughter of your son. Why? Because the son put you together. Hola Nina, how are you?

SPEAKER_00 49:17

Dileola, that's the older baby. That's the big, biggest baby. Well, it's another one playing over there. It's another one. We have a boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm checking on them. Try to keep them occupied.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

All I'm trying to say is this you loved the mother that was given to you. You had nothing to do with her. Yeah, nothing to do with her creation. Imagine, imagine Jesus Christ, our Lord, who had everything to do with her creation.

SPEAKER_00 50:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:01

He put together his own mother. He created her. Can you imagine how beautiful this woman was? In every possible way. This is God's dream come true. Mary is God's dream. God made her his dream into a reality when he created her to begin a new, a new redeemed race of people called Christians. So she was the first Christian, also. So this woman is a powerful, powerful intercession with Christ. This is why so many of us, especially men, also women, I shouldn't say that, both men and women, but especially men, I'm always, I'm always, I'm always impressed by the by the by the devotion that men have for the blessed Virgin Mary, that men have for Mary. Because sometimes it's difficult to talk directly to God, to talk to Christ, man to man. But it's never difficult to talk to your mother. It's never difficult to talk to your mother. Never. It's the easiest thing in the world because she understands better than anybody. Now, if your mother says, you know what, Eco, I want you to help this man over here. This man over here really needs help. Help him, won't you? You think you're going to ignore that?

SPEAKER_00 51:33

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

And this is this is this is the role that Mary has. This this great fantastic woman. Not only is she the mother of God, she's not the mother of God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. She's not the mother of the Holy Spirit. She is the mother of Jesus Christ, who is God. Therefore, she is a mother of God in that sense. All right. She's she was given to us. Yes. On the cross. John. That was it. And it was it's it's fantastic. This woman, throughout the history of humanity, the history of Christianity, has appeared many times to help her sons and daughters. Always to help her sons and daughters get closer to her son Jesus Christ. She always pointing to Christ. Mary never once says, Me, me, honor me. I want this. It's about me. No, no, no, no, no. My son, my son, my son. Her last words in sacred scripture are the most beautiful to me. It's not the last time she appears in scripture in the Bible, it's the last time she speaks. And it's at the Cana wedding, the wedding in Cana. And she says to her son, remember, Christ wasn't going to do a miracle at Cana.

SPEAKER_00 53:03

Yeah, no, he was not ready. Yeah. It was not his time.

SPEAKER_01 53:06

She says to she says to her son, she turns to him and says, They're out of wine. And Christ our Lord says to her, almost in an impolite way, says, This is one of the first Latin uh sentences I learned.

SPEAKER_02 53:28

Quid tibi et mihi? Quid tibi et mi chi? What's it to you and me? Atiyamike. That's his answer to his mother. Atiyamike.

SPEAKER_01 53:50

Why why why is it any business of ours if they're out of wine? That's not our problem, it's their problem, right? She doesn't say anything more to him. She turns to the waiters and she says to the waiters, listen to me. You do everything that he's going to tell you. And that's the last, that's the last time she speaks. That's the last time we hear her speak. And those are beautiful words. Do everything he tells you. What a beautiful message to us. Do everything my son tells you. What beautiful words. All right. That lady appears in the history of humanity, in the history of the church, in the history of humanity, time and time and time again, calling people to her son to repent. One of the most beautiful instruments of prayer to get to know her son is the rosary. And she gave that to Saint Dominic, particularly, uh, to use as an instrument of prayer. And she promises whoever uses this instrument of prayer will be particularly blessed. Now, what is the rosary? I still say the traditional rosary, the 15 decades. Right? The 15 decades. The 15 decades, what are they? They are a miniature catechism. They're the life of Christ in miniature. The life of Christ and the life of the Blessed Virgin Mary in miniature. Fantastic way to go through their lives. The joyful, the sorrowful, the glorious. Here's what the problem is with a lot of people. This a lot of people say, Well, uh, we it's like parrots, we're repeating ave Maria Ave Maria Ave Maria Ave Maria Ave Maria Avi. It's repeating. Well, yes and no. Yes and no. Did you ever see the Jews when they pray at the wailing wall in Jerusalem? Did you ever notice? Did you ever see how they prayed?

SPEAKER_02 56:14

Yeah. The Jews? You too. What do they do?

SPEAKER_01 56:24

They're praying out loud and they're they're moving. Why? Because according to them, that's dancing. According to them, according to them, it is scripture, your body and your mind go as one in prayer. Right? So, what do we do with the rosary? Our bodies say, Ave Maria Grazia plena dominus takeum benedicta tua mulliarus. Our mind, while our minds, our souls are on the mysteries, two operations happening at the same time. If you're just saying Hail Mary's and you're not thinking of the mysteries, and this takes discipline because we keep we keep forgetting, we go back to that's fine. But if you're not thinking of the mysteries, you're missing the point.

SPEAKER_02 57:24

You're supposed to be meditating the mysteries of the rosary, the 15 mysteries.

SPEAKER_01 57:30

Uh it's a very powerful prayer. It's a very powerful prayer, and it was given, it was given to Saint Dominic principally to end heresies, the Albigensian heresy. That's another that's another thing for another time, but it worked, it worked, and it's working still, right? So here's what it is. Keep in mind that there was a time where clocks and watches didn't exist. Okay, so how did you measure time? How did you measure time? You measured time in prayer by saying, One our father, ten hail marys, and one glory be that takes five to seven minutes.

SPEAKER_02 58:27

That's a period of time.

SPEAKER_01 58:29

That's the time you're supposed to be thinking of the mystery. All right, but but remember, you're thinking of the mystery, you're meditating on the mystery while your body is elsewhere. Your body is saying, Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Your body is praising God, praising the blessed virgin in a secondary sense, praising, while your mind is on the mysteries. This is fantastic. It's fantastic, and when you accomplish that, you are indeed praying. And this prayer is very, very, very special to the mother of God. And she gave the rosary, she gave the rosary to many saints as the strongest weapon. Padre Pio, a great saint of our times. Padre Pio called the rosary the greatest defense, the greatest weapon we have against the devil. So the rosary is important. I'll tell you one last thing. In our household, we prayed the rosary on our knees every night after dinner during the month of May and during the month of October. We went to bed, going up the stairs, step by step on our knees, all of us children to go to bed to finish the day with the rosary during the month of May and October, the two months that really belonged to our lady. Our lady. Not our mother, our father. He was the head of the household. This was his duty, and he did it. It was very beautiful, very, very beautiful. Those are beautiful memories that I have of my parents. Very beautiful memories that I have of my parents. Uh, and I invite people, I'm going to end now because it's almost an hour. It is an hour minus one minute. I'm going to end now by asking people, you know what? You know why I have great memories of my mother and my father? Because my mother and father gave me those memories. So I'm inviting everybody who's listening to us. Why don't you start creating memories with your children? Start creating them. It's time to begin. Don't wait till tomorrow. Tomorrow may never come. Good enough. Create memories with your children, beautiful memories, memories that bring them to peace, to joy, to understanding, and to seeing their mother and their father in love with each other and humbled before the presence of God. This is fantastic. Fantastic. A fantastic remedy for all of the problems of marriage. They're simple. It's not complicated. You don't need years and years and years of psychotherapy. You really don't. What you need is a good relationship with each other and a good, a greater relationship, both of you together with God. That would change the whole history of everything that's on earth. Oh my goodness, what an end that would put to many problems. So now I've been the two of you, the three of you, the four of you, the five of you. How many are there of you?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:58

It's a boy and a little girl, Avery, Elijah, or son, and Madeline. So you have three babies.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:08

Three so far. So far. Very good. So far, good. Keep having children, God bless you. Keep having children and keep the faith alive and share that faith with them so that they in turn can change this the history of mankind in their own lifetimes. Men and women of faith. All right. And keeping what they need to say. Thank you very much for this hour. The next time I'll I promise to speak less and listen more.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:38

Yeah, Father. We love it. Thank you. Send us with a blessing, Father.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:41

Benediction, Patris, Spiritual Salve, the Shente Supervos et Manit Semper. Amen. God bless all of you. Stay well and stay healthy and keep loving God.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:55

Thank you, Father.