Distortion Analysis - Episode 6

TOPIC - Interview with Jimi Mitchell

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:08

Welcome to the storage analysis for each episode album reviews all focused on heavy metal.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

And we're back for episode six. What up? This episode is brought to you by this gigantic fucking cyst.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Oh my god, you got a giant zit on your head. Look at it. Look at that. That's gross. Revel in its glory. Oh my god, it is a glorious zit. You don't know. Actually, it's actually pronounced like the it jumps out of your head.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

I I'm glad you noticed that because what I was it if I stand a certain way in the bathroom and I angle my head against the light, you can see the shadow that it casts on the and it kind of looks like Mount Fuji a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Pretty bad. It's a pretty true, pretty cool tribute to Mount Fuji on your head there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

You don't know how barely I want to grab an Xacto knife and just go.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

I think you should let it go and see how big I think you should let it go and see how big it gets. And then we could do oh, then we do like a pimple popper episode where you kind of pop it and then like shoots into the camera.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

I either, yeah, that and like how fucking how fucking metal would that be? That and some home surgery, and we gotta unlock. What did you think of that album, William? Take my explosion of juice.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

And explosion of juice is a good intro to our clap to our episode here. Um, so uh in this episode, we did uh we just did an interview with an old buddy of mine named Jimmy Mitchell. So we're gonna be cutting to that as far as our topic for this uh episode's podcast, and then when we come back from the interview, uh we'll be back to music news and stuff like that. So, but with no further ado, here is our interview with Jimmy. Welcome to Distortion Analysis. Our guest, our very first guest, is a good buddy of mine from back in my relapse uh nuclear blast days. Uh Jimmy Mitchell has joined us. Yep, and he is our first uh guest here, so we're very proud to have him on as our first guest. And um, yeah, so we know so Jimmy and I, a little bit of history here. We know each other from uh when I used to work for relapse and nuclear blast records. And Jimmy, uh, do you miss your days at WMUL?

SPEAKER_05 2:42

Yeah, actually, those were those were fun. You know, it was fun to you know do radio back then when metal was considered dead, and you know, here I was waving the flag, you know, like crazy, going, it's not fucking dead assholes.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

And this was at Marshall University in West Virginia, yeah, Huntington, West Virginia. Right, okay, so yeah. All right, so um, so yeah, so I remember those days, and yeah, it was like crazy because like the college stations were all over metal, and it was kind of still it was sort of underground at that point because like you said, it kind of like grunge was taking over and all that kind of stuff. So uh well when did you stop doing when when did you leave the station? Like when were you done there?

SPEAKER_05 3:20

Uh 1998.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

98, okay.

SPEAKER_05 3:22

Yeah, I remember that spring 1998. I finally, you know, I went up to the station manager and said, Listen, I've got to go work full time, I've got a baby on the way.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

Okay, right. Oh, that's when your sum is coming. Okay, gotcha. Have you done any radio since then? Have you done anything with radio?

SPEAKER_05 3:38

I did a little bit. I went back to MUL for like two months in 2002.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 3:44

Just just for fun. Just for fun. Just to see if I liked it still.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Did you like it still or no?

SPEAKER_05 3:50

Not so much. You know, I was like, I was like, I did it, and I was like, this just isn't the same. It didn't feel the same, it didn't feel right. And I was going through a lot of shit in my own life at the time. So I just said I did a few, and I went to Dr. Bailey and said, Hey man, you know, get somebody else to do this. Right on.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

Well, you know, if you know, you know. So so but I I I I like radio too, it is fun. But you know, I kind of get I do kind of get that. Uh William, did you want to kick in with a question here?

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Uh sure. I guess I could lead up to the question by way of a just kind of a mini introduction since you you know him, you guys know each other very well. This is the first time uh I'm meeting Jimmy. So uh to the listeners, Jimmy is an accomplished solo guitar uh recording artist um who recently appeared at Nam.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Yeah, talk about that.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

Yeah, who has uh yeah, I I don't want to steal your questions, but no, not at all. You're gonna go for it. That they're pretty badass, man. Were you were you uh demoing equipment or was it just to promote your music?

SPEAKER_05 4:49

It was a combination of all the things. It was you know, demoing equipment, playing my own music, which is brand new that I haven't even released yet.

SPEAKER_04 4:57

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_05 4:58

Um, yeah, because um two companies brought me out there, Ibenez guitars and DC Custom Guitars brought me out there to be a part of it. And it was fucking awesome. I mean, you know, I went out there with zero expectation. The only thing that I the only expectation I kind of had was I wanted to play well. That was it. I wanted to play well and I wanted to meet people, I wanted to make more contacts, more business contacts, and you know, um, you know, do what I gotta do to get some endorsements and shit. You know, that was really that was really it, you know. So I went out there and you know, kind of didn't really know what was gonna happen. And it ended up being far better than I anticipated, especially the first day I played, because there was a point when it was my turn to get up and play. And I remember the last minute I changed some of the songs because Matt's like, hey man, what songs are you gonna play? I go, what do you think I should play? He goes, Well, Zach over here really wants to hear you do power metal. I'm like, Okay, so I'll play Live to Fight Another Day, which is a coming that's very, very Stradovarius gamma ray Halloween. I mean, it's really it's my nod to them, it's my tribute to those three bands. Because I remember when I wrote it, I was like, God, this sounds like Stratovarius. And when I sent it to Matt, he was he was even like, dude, this sounds like the the track that didn't make it onto Visions or Destiny, and I was like, Cool. So I did that first. But the next one I did is a new one called uh The Devil on Your Shoulder, and that's much more it's much thrashier. Actually, there's a video clip of me playing it on YouTube, and there's one on Instagram. I think there might even still be one on Facebook. But when I did that song, the crazy thing is at one point I'm playing, and I you know happen to go up like this and look, and to my left is Ola England from The Haunted. What? Oh and over to my right is Carl from Nile. Oh what I'm like, I'm like, this is fucking crazy. This is weird, you know. It's like I'm just rocking out and going through the motions, and as soon as I stopped, Carl from Nile beelined it over and was like, dude, it's fucking great. You know, I'm like, do we do crawl from Nile? He's like, Yeah, and we hit it off real real good right then and there, and you know, I was like, dude, we can see something.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

He's just a nice guy, yeah. I saw him uh I don't know, just been like at least a dozen years ago. And then after the show, he came around through the photo pit and I was right up against the gate. So I'm like, Carl, Carl, uh, can you tell me what strings you use? What string gauges do you use? You know, because uh I don't know. I just like that he was so perfectly intonated. Uh was just perfectly set up, and so he rattled off this very esoteric sounding set of uh string gauges, uh, which I don't remember, but it was like a hybrid set that he had put together. It was pretty cool. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 7:53

How did you get how did you get invited to NAM in the first place, Jimmy? How did that come to be?

SPEAKER_05 7:57

Well, I was I got a phone call from my buddy Matthew Mills, and he's like, dude, you're going to NAM. I go, I am. I had originally planned to go anyway, and then looked at my finances like there's no way I can do this. Yeah, and then Ibanez came through and they pulled me out there, and I was like, Oh shit, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

It was through Matt. So he was just telling you, but they were plan, they were planning on approaching you the way it sounded.

SPEAKER_05 8:23

Yeah, he's endorsed by him. So he was kind of the messenger. He's like, Hey man, guess what?

SPEAKER_02 8:28

You're doing, but but how did I how did Ibanez find out about you? Did was that through Matthew? Was that through him?

SPEAKER_05 8:34

Yeah, I was gonna say a combination of him and just like people on the internet going, dude, check this guy out.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

Oh, right on, cool.

SPEAKER_05 8:40

And I've played Ibanez guitars off and on since 1995. So, you know, it's like right now I've been playing fenders for like since 2009, but I do love Ibanez guitars, and I also love Jackson guitars.

SPEAKER_02 8:54

I was gonna say, I was gonna say Ingway Maumsteen is cringing somewhere right now, just just saying.

SPEAKER_05 9:01

And I have one of his I have one of his guitars.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

I saw that. I saw that you have that that the the cream kind of fender. Um yeah. Uh so what are your what are your biggest influences as a player? Like when did and when did you start playing guitar?

SPEAKER_05 9:15

I started playing guitar when I was 15 in 1990, actually on Christmas. Um I originally started out as a bass player. Um, I'd wanted I wanted to start to be a bass player like Steve Harris. Yes, that's my thing. I wanted to do that, and I started out doing that. And I was learning Black Sabbath songs and maiden songs and priest and Metallica and Merciful Fate. And eventually I hit a point where I'm like, wait a minute, I need to learn guitar too, so I can write my own songs. And so, you know, it's kind of weird because like most guys I talk to that that play the style I do, they typically, you know, were inspired by a virtuoso to begin, you know, what they were doing. And I was the opposite. I was a guy that was playing bass that wanted to play the guitar so I could write my own shit, and then you know, got into the virtuosos a little later on. But I you know, when I first started, I was playing Judas Priest songs, I was playing Merciful Fate, I was playing Iron Maiden, Obituary, Death. I mean, Slayer. I was that's what I was doing originally on guitar, you know. And then in 90, late 93, my buddy Andy Hott and I were talking about Ingve Malmstein one day because I had this little cassette called Metal Forces that had Rim Reaper, Priest, Testament, not Testament, um, Vinnie Vincent Invasion, Metal Church, all this stuff on it. It was a big compilation that K Tel Records used to put out in the 80s.

SPEAKER_02 10:47

I think I can't remember that.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

K Tel Records. K Tel Records K Tel Records.

SPEAKER_05 10:52

And um, they uh I remember this the song I Am a Viking was the last song on the whole thing, and I was like, dude, that song's amazing. And I was like, the solo and the and the outro. I said, that's so cool. He's like, dude, I've got an Ingve Malmstein video you need to see. And I'm like, really? And he's like, yeah. And it was uh Ingve Malmstein live in Tokyo, Japan, 1985. And that was it. I watched that and I'm like, I remember when the song I'll see the light tonight happened and the pedal point bit goes on. I said, that's what I want to do. That was it. I just I went from there, and you know, I over the years I got into a lot of other guys, I got into Tony McAlpine, I got into Paul Gilbert. Of course, Eddie Van Halen's, you know, been in my musical DNA for the majority of my existence because you know, my dad played it around me, and as a little kid, I wanted to be like Eddie Van Halen, you know, at one point. So yeah, and George Lynch and Chuck Schuldiner, and then eventually Joe Stump, who became a friend of mine later down the road. Um so yeah, I got into all those guys and just kept going. And then as far as the metal part goes, I mean I'm into pretty much every genre of metal except for what they called new metal, which was the whole corn lint biscuit death tones. I that's not for me. For other people, sure. If you like it, great. But I just it didn't do anything for me. But all the other stuff did.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

Go ahead, William. Next question.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

All right. Uh let's see. Oh, um, you already kind of got into it a little bit with by talking about the uh Ibanez uh connection and the strack connection, but I was just gonna ask you to kind of speak to the equipment that you're using in terms of guitars and amps, and uh whether you go do you prefer like true amp, uh straightforward the amp or modeling or I like both.

SPEAKER_05 12:52

I mean, you know, I I really like modeling a lot because modeling, you can have a device that's no bigger than like that, and wow, you've got every every amp sound in that box, you know. That's actually what I've been using for almost 20 years. I use a zoom g21U, and there's 20 different amplifiers inside of it. And the one that I use the most is a base Mesa Boogie dual rectifier. Yeah, so like if I could afford a Mesa Boogie dual rectifier, that's what I'd have, but I can't afford one. So you know, I I've used a lot of different amps over the years. I've used Laney, Crate, Randall, um Marshall, obviously. Um, and what wasn't there was one other that I've messed. Oh, I've messed with Black Stars, and I really like those.

SPEAKER_04 13:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 13:38

Those are good amps. Yeah, Black Stars are really good. Yeah. Um so yeah, I mean, I like them both. Um, I'm not a diehard loyalist on one or the other. Right. Um, I I find you know certain things are more convenient, you know, especially for recording, or if you know you're gonna go do a gig and you've got a buddy that's got an amp, just go, hey dude, you care if I plug this into your amp and use your amp when I play? And they're like, Yeah, you know, or you could just go through the PA. Yeah. Yeah. So either one works.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

You don't need to lug around an 80-pound combo amp or a head in a cabinet and break your back.

unknown 14:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:16

We're all at the stage now where it's like, no, it's not happening. No, definitely not. I saw it's funny you say that because like I was watching uh I watched an interview with Kai Hansen uh on Instagram a couple months ago, and he was basically giving away all his you know recording secrets and shit and talking about, oh, well, on this new record, I you know, we all use the quad cortex. And I was like, my you know, instantly I'm like, okay, I'm listening. It's like, what's that? You know, the call, okay. So you're using the quad cortex. And he's like, and he stated, he said, his amp setting he's using in that is a PV5150. I'm like, okay, yeah, old. Um, yeah, it's like that's a good sounding app. And he said, you know, he goes, Don't get me wrong, I miss the days of going on stage and there's a wall of marshals behind us. He goes, but we're all old now. He goes, You've got seven people on stage, you really can't have all those amps behind you when you're trying to hear everybody, you know. So I get it, you know, like it's a good solution.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

It's a it's a great solution. It's it's uh amazing because I'm sure you remember when you first started playing the the very idea of there being uh uh uh almost like a handheld, almost fit in your pocket type of device that could emulate multiple different amps and do it well. Yeah, I didn't see it coming.

SPEAKER_05 15:39

Me either. I really didn't because I can remember when um well, I remember when line six you know started coming out, and they were like one of the first companies to really start doing that amp sampling thing and a portable device. And I was like, that sounds amazing, but people would always dog it. It's like, oh, you're not you're not a real player unless you've got this, you know, Marshall JCM 800 here with this, you know, vintage 412 cabinet. It's like who cares? You know, it's it sounds good, sounds good, you know. That's basically it. Like, I like something Ingve always used to say was um, you know, play with your ears if it sounds good, then it's good, you know. And I'm like, okay, that's pretty good advice.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

You know, it is, it's a good way to avoid the all of the I I call them like tone snobs, people who are just like, oh no, and you mentioned the 800, the the JCM 800 people, they're the worst, those dudes. They think that the 800 circuit is better, and oh, it's it's gotta be the non-master volume 800, the 2203 or whatever the model number is. And it's like, come on, man, there's so many different variants of each of each model that sound amazing, and it's just you hear what you want to hear.

SPEAKER_05 16:54

Exactly. That's true. I actually I pointed a similar thing out to uh my buddy Matt when we went to the guitar center on Sunset Boulevard while we were out there. Um, I go, Matt, go look, check it out, man. I was like, look, you got the JCM 800 here, and you got the classic Mesa boogie right there. And he goes, he goes, okay. I said, here, I'll explain it better. And I go, Ride the lightning, master of puppets. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 17:18

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 17:22

I said, that amp is what they used on puppets, and that's the amp that you know, that's the model that they used on ride the lightning. I said, the difference is there was a tube screamer. That was it. You know, that's right, yeah. Yeah. So that was the sound, you know. And it's like, it's so cool because like nowadays you can with all these, you know, these quad cortexes and nano cortexes and everything they've got, and the helixes and yeah, whatnot. You can set you can literally, if you've got a pedal, you got an amp, there's a a setting in those to where you can just plug in and it copies everything. And then you can have your sound right there. You can even do it with effect pedals, you can do it with a wall, a delay, a flange, whatever you got. You know, it'll it'll copy it. Yeah, that's nice. It's it's convenient, it's especially convenient when you're recording in a place like I am, because I I record all my music in this room, and you know, this is a two-bedroom townhouse apartment. Oh wow. And so, like, I just put headphones on and plug in, and in my head, I hear everything like I'm on a stage. Yep. My neighbor, my neighbors don't hear shit. But that's that's the great thing about those technologies, is you can you can really rock out and not disturb you know whoever's next door on the other side of the wall.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

That actually was one of my other questions was for recording purposes. Do you choose uh like an analog recording or do you use a DAW?

SPEAKER_05 18:44

I use DAW. Yeah, I have a uh I use Reaper. Reaper's my DAW, and I have a Personas interface, you know, that everything's I plug into that. Just two chains, it's literally it's two plugins. Yep, and the rest of my settings setups actually over on a table next to me. That's it. It's just I mean, the box is literally no bigger than this, it's about that thick. Yeah, and I just plug in and go. That's great. Okay, speaks and then you can adjust everything in the dog. I mean, like if you want to if you want to add more warmth, you can. If you want to EQ it differently to change your tone a bit, you can, you know. Yes, it's beautiful, you know. That's what that's what I like about all this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Very customizable, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

Yeah. Speaking of mystery mixing and mastering, your song, your song Hells in His Eyes. How did you end up working with Ralph Sheepers on that? Who ended up mixing and mastering it? So, how'd that come to be?

SPEAKER_05 19:34

Ralph and I have been friends for about 15 years.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

Did you meet him what during the uh when just when he's throwing Primal Fear?

SPEAKER_05 19:42

Or like how did you guys we actually got in touch with each other back in the MySpace days?

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Oh, oh wow.

SPEAKER_05 19:49

And then when Facebook happened, we got you know, we re-added each other, and I used to send him demos. I used to just be like, Hey dude, I love your voice, you know. No way, what would I have to do to work with you one day? And yeah, he told me what you know what he normally charges his rate and all. And then the more we talked, we just became friends and we just hit it off. And um the singer that's on that song, uh Nick Seymour, is one of Ralph's students, actually.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

Oh, is that right?

SPEAKER_05 20:19

Yeah, yeah, it's one of his students. I remember one day I just I got a phone call from Ralph. He's like, Hey Jimmy, he's like, I've got a I've got a student of mine I think you would really click with. And I'm like, Okay, cool. Tell me all about him. And yeah, he's like, His name's Nick. He's like, he's a really good guy, he's got a great range, you know, he's easy gone, he's friendly, you know, he's a good human being. And I'm like, okay, cool. So you know, we got I got hooked up through him, and you know, when me and Nick did it, um, I remember I was telling Ralph about it, and Nick come to find out Nick was also telling Ralph about it, and Ralph messaged me and he goes, he goes, Hey Jim, he goes, send me the stems of everything. He goes, I want to I want to hear this. So I did. I sent him a mix, just an instrumental mix of the music that I did, and then I sent him all the vocals separately. Yeah, and he took all the vocals and everything, and within an hour, he's like, he's like, I'll do what I can. I'm like, okay, well, he's like, You're gonna love this. Yeah, it literally was. I was like, shit, it's not even an hour, and he he did it that fast.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

He did it, he mixed and mastered that whole thing with within an hour.

SPEAKER_05 21:28

Yeah, because I'd already had all the guitars, bass, and drum, and everything mixed. Okay, I just sent him the track of that.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Well, how much how much did he change? Like when you got it back, could was there like a big profound difference like with what he did with it? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:41

He re I still haven't found out how he re-eq'd the uh the actual track that had all the guitars and stuff in it, but he made it sound bigger.

SPEAKER_04 21:50

No way, wow. Nice.

SPEAKER_05 21:54

This sounds like primal fear and the vocals, man. He did such a great job, like just mixing the vocals, and he took certain lines. And like, okay, for one, there's a scream in there right after the solo. There's this big scream that Nick does. And then about five seconds into the scream, there's an additional scream that's about three pitches higher. And he tra what he did was originally it was one big harmony, and he's like, No, wait a minute. He took it and he just dragged it over, and it was like, ah, and then you know, no way, get out of it.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

Yeah, that's a cool crazy cool, creative.

SPEAKER_05 22:34

Yeah, yeah. That was it. That's that's how that's the one song I've got where me and Ralph both mixed the song. I mixed all the guitars and everything, he mixed all the vocals and put it all in one, and he mastered it. And I was like, This is amazing. I was like, Thanks so much. And he's like, No problem, you know.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

Cool, man. Yeah, how did how did you end up working with Joe Stump?

SPEAKER_05 22:55

Oh, Joe and I go back well, go back a ways. Um, I got into him in '96, and then fast forward to around 2009, I did a I did an instrumental song called The Three Wise Men. And this was before I was using proper drum sampling and everything. Um, I used to just use the drum machine, you know, and drum loops that you know sounded like shit. They really did. But I was trying to, you know, just make music was all I was trying to do with what budget I had. So I came up with this idea, and um originally it reminded me of Rainbow. You know, I was like, this riff was the riff I came up with was so blackmore. And I was like, I was like, okay. So I wrote a track because I remember in the middle of the door, I go, okay, I'm gonna take the big three of you know neoclassical that I know of, which was Richie Blackmore, Ingway Malmstein, and Joe Stump, and make a track, tribute, you know, just a tribute to all three of them. And I did it, and I did a really you know cheap looking video with uh Windows movie maker computer that I had back then, and I put it out. And my buddy Matthew Mills is like, dude, I used to take lessons from Joe. You really need to send this to him. And I said, Do you think he'll like it? I go, he's like, dude, trust me, he's gonna fucking love it. And I'm like, okay. So he sent it over to him and he called Joe up and said, Hey, you need to meet Jimmy Mitchell. He's a big fan of your stuff, he's totally influenced by you, he's a real cool dude. And you know, that was it. We became friends from that. Oh cool, and ever since then, we have we have either done shows together, guitar clinics, or we have he soloed on my albums. I haven't soloed on any of his, um, not yet, but we just we hit it off real real well. And I was it's like he's one of the few dudes that's like in the metal world that um, you know, is is one of my guitar, my top five guitar heroes that I can genuinely say, yeah, I became friends with the guy, and that's so cool. It's really cool, you know. So, yeah, the new single that I'm gonna drop on the 13th of March is my tribute to Joe directly. Oh, you know, cool, cool, cool.

unknown 25:02

Cool.

SPEAKER_05 25:02

Yeah, I called him up. It was about this time last year. I remember I called him up and because I wrote the track and I was like, Hey, I called him, Hey Joe. I said, I've got a track I wrote completely in the vein of the way you write. I said, I did as a tribute. I said, Would you like the solo? He's like, Yeah, sure. And I he goes, just tell me where you want me to be. I said, Okay. So I had all the spots marked and sent it to him. And a couple days later, he's like, He's gonna he's like, You're really gonna love this.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Oh, I did. That's so cool. Right on.

SPEAKER_05 25:32

Uh, what I mean, I made a point to just really go at it when I did that one.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

That's so cool, man. Uh you got another question?

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Uh yeah, what I I would say, uh what advice do you have for new guitarists, people that are just starting to learn the craft and sit down and practice steadily? What kind of advice would you give them in today's I don't know? The environment that we're in music-wise is not the same environment that we started in.

SPEAKER_05 26:06

Yeah. Um, the thing I would tell them is follow your heart, you know, what you love doing, do it. Um, practice as often as you can. Um, the other thing is you know, learn songs by the bands you like. Like sit down and try to figure them out. And if you need to, use tab. Also, when you're having trouble, you know, learning a certain part, maybe get the tab, have someone show you how to read it, and then take a click track, you know, just get a metronome and you know, get the part down, even if you got to start it slow. Just start it, you know, just get the notes, get the progression the way it's meant to be, practice it to a click till you get it up to tempo, and then just keep going. You know, that's it. Just stay stay true to yourself and don't let people tell you how you should play just because uh well, like Sean would be able to, you know, definitely you know, comment on this one. Um, when I started playing lead guitar, you know, metal was declared dead, and people were looking at me going, why are you wasting your time with that stuff? Why are you trying to play a bazian fucking notes? Why are you doing all that flashy 80s shit? Well, you know, it's not about that anymore. You know, you should just do drop D and you should like shoe gaze and be boring. It's like you know, it's like it wasn't for me, you know. So, like, yeah, I would tell any guitar player, you know, play with play from your heart, play from your gut, and no matter what's popular, just play and enjoy it, keep going, you know, because once you start, you're never gonna stop.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

What what do you think of the current progressive metal scene like that's kind of happening right now? Because there's I mean the classics are still around, like Hammerfall, um Strativarius, you know, uh, you know, primal fear, like all the big those guys are still kind of hanging around. Um, are there new bands in that same power metal vein? The clay, you know, sort of that that classic metal kind of influence vein that you find kind of on the horizon now?

SPEAKER_05 27:59

Yeah, actually, there's a few. Um, over in England, there's this great young band called Tail Gunner who's on my radar. Yeah, they're radar like two or three years ago, and I was just like, holy shit, this is great. These are young dudes wearing black spandex leathery pants, high-top tennis shoes, bullet belts, studded wristbands. The lead singer can hit it high. The music is totally a throwback to the you know, new wave of British heavy metal, a lot of priest, maiden, Saxon that's in there, the speeds in there, the Halloween's in there, you know, from the German power metal. You got all that going, and then you've got bands like uh Enforcer from Sweden who've technically been around for about 15-20 years, but they're still going. You got evil invaders out of uh Belgium, you've got um in here in America, you've got Wings of Steel who have popped up in the last two years. Um, I ran into those guys actually at NAM, and that was great because I was like, dude, I'm really excited to meet you guys. I said, I fucking love your shit. You know, they're like, Really? And they're like, Yeah, I said, you know, it feels good to know I'm not the only American playing real heavy metal, you know. They laugh too. They're like, they're like, Well, they're like, we would appreciate that, man. I said, How old are you guys? And they told me how young they were, and I was like, I figured, I said, you know, dude, if you ever need a second guitar player, please message me, I'll be glad to join. You know, so it's great stuff. So yeah, there's them, and then oh man, that that whole scene, it's like they called it the new wave of traditional heavy metal.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

New wave of traditional heavy metal.

SPEAKER_05 29:35

Oh, yeah, it's what it's called. The new wave of traditional heavy metal, which is technically about a 15-year-old scene.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

But for being new, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:45

Yeah, but it's but here's the thing there's there's more and more bands that keep popping up, you know. Right, and there's there's a lot of them. I mean, some are better than others. Um, and the power metal thing, I've noticed that like as far as power metal goes, there aren't a whole lot of new ones, but one newer one that is really good is Majestica. Uh they're from Sweden, they're from Sweden. Um, it's Tommy Johansen, who originally had a band called Rain Z. And he'd started that band when he was like 17 or 18 years old, uh, back in around I want to say 2002, 2003. He was one of these YouTube guys who just he was an early YouTuber, and eventually, you know, Rain Zed, I guess, bottomed out, and you know, he ended up playing for Sabaton for a while.

SPEAKER_04 30:33

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 30:35

Yeah, I remember it was around 2016, 2017, there was an announcement that Sabaton, uh their lead guitar, one of their lead guitar players had left the band and they were gonna, you know, start auditioning players. So I sent an audition and they wrote me back and said, Hey, we've already got a guy, but we really appreciate you know you doing this and never never stop. And I was really happy to see it was Tommy that got it. So I wrote Tommy because Tommy and I have followed each other also from the MySpace days, and I said, Dude, congrats, man. I'm really glad you got it. I said, I actually auditioned too. I sent an audition and he's like, Oh, cool. So yeah, it worked out, but Majestica, great, great stuff. I mean, if you love Hammerfall, you love Stradovarius, early Sonata Artica, Halloween, that's it's all there. Very cool, yeah. And the spirit of that late 90s power metal is really there, like big time. I'm like, this is awesome. Because I've noticed uh Japan has a lot of bands too.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

Yeah, I saw some of that. I saw there was some Japanese scene, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:38

Yeah, yeah. They've Japan's got the whole lady metal thing, is what they call it. I was like metal. Yeah, they call it lady metal. Um, there's a fuckload of bands. There's Love Bites who are the number one band, as far as I'm concerned. There's Hadani. Um, there's a band called Aldius. There's a band called um, oh fuck, what was it? Um oh shit, what is it? Uh it's more more of the new metal thing, uh, but it's better than any of those bands. Uh Nemophilia. Yeah, is the name of the yeah. There's Nemophilia. I mean, it's quite a list. There's a band called Hazaki. Actually, my friend, my friend Mato, who used to be one of the lead guitar players in Hagani, um, she left the band a few years ago, but she just recently joined Hazaki. Uh Hazaki is instrumental neoclassical power metal y stuff. It's if you like Rhapsody, if you like Strativarius, if you like Dragon Force, imagine instrumental that. Wow, that's it. Very cool.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

Yeah, um, it's very intense, great. Before I forget to ask you, um, yeah, why did you do this and did you send it to them? And what I'm requiring about is the Star Wars tribute to John Williams. Oh, yeah. Yeah, why what made what inspired that other than just you know obviously Star Wars? Hello. But I mean, but but what inspired that uh to for to for you to form that? And did you send that to him to to check out?

SPEAKER_05 33:07

Uh the Star Wars track, I did that just because number one, I love Star Wars, and I've always thought, man, it'd be really cool if somebody did a tribute to Star Wars and John Williams and did different bits, you know, other than just the force theme. Because like I've seen plenty where people just play the force theme. You see plenty of that, but I was like, I want to pick some other ones, you know, and so I did my own take on it and just put it on the internet and you know it went boom for a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

That was great, it's a great track. Did you did you have to send it to John Williams to get him to hear it?

SPEAKER_05 33:43

No, I I never did, but I I know that some people have talked about doing it. You should I've done a few covers that I have yet to release.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

Dave, you should send it off to them. I mean, he might, you know, he might like that. That'd be cool.

SPEAKER_05 33:57

So I'm just saying, I'll be honest with you. I need to remix it because that's one thing I've learned is that like okay, I'll be honest with you. When I mixed that one, I didn't pan any of the guitars.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Oh, they're all straight and centered.

SPEAKER_05 34:09

I yeah, it's all everything was centered away. And I need to go back and I need to widen the range a lot.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

Yeah, he'll appreciate that more for sure. A better mix, yes.

SPEAKER_05 34:22

Like it's a cool tune, it just needs the oomph, you know. I've thought about that. I've got another track that I've got another track that's actually uh called Servant of Darkness. Um, I've only got half the vocals on it. Um I need to get it finished, but that one's the next thing as far as Star Wars goes. I've got another one too, called The Force. So, like I've written a few things that have to do with Star Wars.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

Hey man, it's all good by me. Uh William got we got anything else?

SPEAKER_01 34:51

Uh you you're talking about the my favorite of all the uh tunes that uh Sean was kind enough to forward over to me. The Force is definitely my favorite uh jam. Uh Sean knows that I like to take a lot of notes when I listen because I can't remember shit. I have uh excellent gallop verse riff, total maiden. Uh the chorus is melodic as hell, sick, melodic death outro riff. Yeah, you mentioned being influenced by Chuck and Death, and I totally heard that. Yeah, I totally did. That melody that you're laying on top of the chorus, man.

SPEAKER_05 35:30

Yeah, I love those kinds of things. You know, it's like you know, Chuck was a big influence on me from you know the get-go because like I always loved the fact that like Chuck would for one, when he did all harmonies, they were always in sevenths or octaves. I thought that was really cool because like you know, he didn't do the traditional maiden Halloween Queen's right type thirds, fourths, you know, fifths and all that. It was always sevenths or octaves, and I thought that was a really cool approach that he took. And also the way he would play his riffs. I mean, if you really think about it, when you look at them just as they are, they're not too different from a slayer riff, a creator riff, or even a faster metallica riff. But he had a certain way he did things and the way he thought that really just stuck with me. You know, I like the fact that as he kept going, he kept evolving. Yes, you know, he just he kept going. He got more and more melodic, and he definitely fell more into more of a what they call a prog metal kind of thing, you know, was more like dream theater fans could relate more to the later death records, probably more so than you know, leprosy or spiritual healing.

SPEAKER_04 36:38

Oh, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_05 36:39

But it's great stuff. I mean, all of it's great, you know, and I love this controlled denied project too.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:47

That's really good. Him and Tim Omar.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

Um, do you have anything else, William? Nope. Uh where can where can where can people find your work, Jimmy? And we're gonna put up links and stuff here in the in the show too. But uh, where can people find your stuff?

SPEAKER_05 36:59

Uh, right now you can find one YouTube. The other, if you want to like buy the stuff or just stream it, you can do that on uh bandcamp.com, uh just under the name Jimmy Mitchell. Um, and then also let me see here. I've got some of my older stuff on Spotify, and eventually I may have to take that unfortunate plunge and do some of those songs on Spotify just to get more listens. Um, I'm not, I'll be honest, I am not a fan of the way Spotify treats artists. Yeah, yeah, I'm not a fan of that at all. I don't think it's right that they take everybody's money. Yeah, Jimmy Mitchell.bandcamp.com is the is the bandcamp site. I had to go back and look.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

We'll set we'll send people to your YouTube uh channel and stuff too. So yeah, um uh so let me see. Was there there was one last thing I wanted to say? Uh where people can find oh yeah. Are you uh is there any plans for you to tour? Like with Joe Stomp or like with any of the you know, to get on the guitar tour thing or anything?

SPEAKER_05 38:05

Yeah, actually uh a bunch of us have actually ever since NAM, we've all been calling each other and going, all right, it's 2026, we've got to do gigs. So now we're all trying to figure out where and when, you know, so that's all in the planning. It's just you know who's gonna play with who. Um, because I'm gonna be doing well, Dean Cascioni and I are gonna be doing some stuff together, so we definitely want to do some gigs. Me and Joe are you know gonna eventually do them. Me and Matt Mills are gonna do them. I just reached out uh to another friend of mine. Uh, she goes by Sacred Victoria. Uh, she lives down in Nashville. Um, wicked, wicked shred guitar player. Just really cool. So, yeah. I mean, right now everything's in the planning. No, nothing's been set in stone yet. But when it is, I'm definitely gonna, you know, let the the communities out there know.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

Well, you gotta come out to Portland, Oregon, man. There are tons of venues out here for you.

SPEAKER_05 38:59

Awesome, dude.

SPEAKER_02 39:00

Portland loves metal, so there's some there's some good metal venues out here, man. So just saying, you know, just let me know and I'll I'll connect, I'll point you in the right direction.

SPEAKER_05 39:08

Cool, man. Yeah, and I'm hoping you know, some of these uh endorsements can come through so I can also do clinics because I love doing clinics. You know, clinics are basically a show in a guitar shop, right? Yeah, like you're just hanging out in the guitar store with some people that like guitar stuff, and you're like, hey, I'm gonna play this song afterwards. If you got questions, feel free to ask. I'll tell you what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

You know, you know, getting paid to hang out and jam.

SPEAKER_05 39:29

Yeah, it's like I love watching all those old videos like Paul Gilbert. There's one video from like 1987 or 88 that he has. It's this you know, Racer X days. Actually, it was Racer X going into Mr. Big. There's this one clip. If I find it, I'll have to send it to you. Yeah, where people are asking him, hey man, what did you do to get better and do this and do that? And he goes, I did this one thing where he goes, I made a point to memorize every spot where F is. And what he does is he goes, he goes, here, I'll show you the lick. And he goes, he goes, You do it from top to bottom. He goes, like when he does, and I'm like, what the fuck? And his hand just his hand the whole time just goes, like and it's like I'm like he goes, here, here it is slow. F F F F F. Okay, I'm like, what the hell? I showed my son that my he's like, what? Because my son plays too, you know. It's like my son, my son's a guitar player as well. He doesn't do the exact same thing I do, he's more into like the modern proggy stuff that's out there and a lot of the hardcore that's out there. Like he loves um, he loves periphery and cohed and cambrilla and stuff like that. So he does a lot of kind of thing on guitar. Um, he's really good at it. Oh, yeah, he loves that. And the other thing too is his thumb. He was over here one day. Like, anytime he comes over, he's like, Dad, where's your geeter? You know, he does that all the time. He's like, Hey Dad, where's your geeter? And I'm like, you know, he's he's a he's a he has a great sense of humor, but he grabs my guitar and immediately the first thing that he's tuning, you know, immediately. I'm like, all right. And he sits there and he starts playing all these pieces like he did one where he took his thumb and wrapped it over the neck and still had enough room with these to create the rest of the chords. Well, that's then while he's doing it, he's doing all these tapping things and creating this really complex melody that made that was beautiful. I'm like, holy shit! You know, it's like somewhere on my phone, I've got video of him doing that stuff, and it's just crazy to watch. I'm like, Where'd you figure that out? I never did. Oh, yeah, yeah. He definitely went his own path, and I'm proud of him for it because the student has become the teacher, yeah, yeah. He does really well, you know, with that. Um, and he records, you know, from time to time. I'm like, come on, man, do some more. I want to hear it, you know, get some stuff out. He's like, uh, in time, you know.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

Well, there's the future of metal right there.

SPEAKER_05 42:03

Oh, yeah, that's that's one thing that's good about metal is that it won't go away. It doesn't go away. The older you get, it's a generational thing. It's like we get into it, and then our kids get into it, and then your grandkids get into it, you know. It's like it just keeps going, and I love that 100%.

SPEAKER_01 42:24

I wanted to just share one last thing because you were you were talking about Gilbert. Uh yeah, one of the observations I had and listening to all your stuff, it said sounds like something Mike Varney would have put out on Shrapnel Records.

SPEAKER_04 42:37

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

I hope you take that as a compliment.

SPEAKER_05 42:40

Yeah, absolutely, man. I I love all that old description. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, I will tell you this. Um, do you remember Leviathan Records? David Chastain.

SPEAKER_04 42:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 42:51

When I when I when I did my very first demo LP in 2004 into 05, um, at the end of 055, like in the middle of 05 is when I finally did my own releasing it thing where I went to Kinko's and did a bunch of you know, Xeroxed a bunch of album covers and clipped them out and went to big and small lots and bought trays upon trays of CD jewel cases and put it all together and sold them, you know, and went to shows and threw them out at people and shit. Um, I sent that to Metal Blade, Nuclear Blast, Century Media, Shrapnel, and um, and Leviathan. And lo and behold, David Chastain wrote me back. He's like, dude, my record company doesn't exist anymore, but I would have signed you.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

And I was like, damn, man. Yeah, but that's an I know it sucks, but it's a nice validation.

SPEAKER_05 43:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was. I mean, for that, especially for that time, because that was yeah, oh five. So it's been 21 years ago. And you know, I was like, well, it's good to know that you know that guy thought that I was good. Enough.

SPEAKER_04 44:00

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 44:01

Nuclear blast thought I was good enough too. They told me they said, You're really good. Um, we like what you're doing, but we want to hear more from you in the future. So please don't hesitate to send something to us in the future. Somewhere in my collection of shit, I've still got the actual letter. Uh and I never I never heard back from anybody else.

SPEAKER_02 44:19

Yeah, but that's really cool though, man. You you do that and yeah. Uh well, hey, thanks for joining us, Jimmy. Uh, we'll wrap it up there. Uh, we'll put all your information in here and uh yeah, and uh and hopefully people will find you through the show.

SPEAKER_05 44:32

Thanks, dude. I appreciate the support, man. It was good to talk to you again. You too.

SPEAKER_00 49:11

So we need we need the sound of the news, yeah, like a news ticker kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

So uh in music news this week or this episode, I saw that the Melvins and Napalm Death are joining forces to collaborate on an album called Savage Imperial Death March coming out on April 10th on Ipecac Recordings, which is Mike Patton's label from Faith No More and uh Mr. Bungle. Uh but yeah, I thought that was crazy to hear that they're collapsing I know they toured together and played together before, but I mean that they're doing like something like this big collaboration, I think, is really interesting.

SPEAKER_01 49:44

Yeah, they have. Uh they've like always been like fans of each other, so it's nice to see them be able to come together and do this. I watched the video for that song. Oh, you did? Yeah, and the the music is fantastic. It's so crazy to hear because it's it's uh what's his name? Uh Dale Crover. Yeah, uh Buzz is that.

SPEAKER_02 50:05

King Buzzo, yeah, King Buzzo.

SPEAKER_01 50:06

King Buzzo King Buzzo, and then uh Shane and Barney from Napalm. So it's weird to hear like that in specific combination of instrumentation.

SPEAKER_02 50:16

So it's like a supergroup between the two of them. It's not all the members, it's just like those members that uh come together.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

Yeah, and and one of the people commenting was like, uh, it eerily sounds like a melvinized napalm death or a uh a napalmed out melvins.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

Who's singing? Is it Buzz or is it uh Barney or both?

SPEAKER_01 50:37

The the on the one song I heard it was Barney.

SPEAKER_02 50:39

Barney. Is he doing growling or clean vocals or both, or what's he doing?

SPEAKER_01 50:43

Uh it's it's mostly like growling, like the screaming that he does.

SPEAKER_02 50:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I wasn't sure if he was doing anything.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

But it totally works.

SPEAKER_02 50:50

Okay, cool. I have to go back and listen to it. I've not listened to it yet. I was just kind of reading about it. So but you think it you think it does work then? Is it it doesn't sound like it's a messed up combination?

SPEAKER_01 50:59

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 51:00

They they were right to do this. Right on. Okay, so we'll have to check that out. Um, I also saw Loudness have announced a tour for their 45th anniversary this coming summer. That's crazy. That's incredible.

SPEAKER_03 51:14

Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_01 51:15

I mean, to be around since 8081 and be able to pull off a a large-scale tour like that, not just a few select dates.

SPEAKER_02 51:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

Is it that one uh I think the guitar player is the only original member, right?

SPEAKER_02 51:32

I think that's true. Yeah. Is it Kira Takasaki? Is that his name? I forget. I don't remember the name. Yeah, I forget his name. Uh hang on, let me look that up because I want to get that name right. Loudness guitarist. Uh yeah, it it's yeah, when I heard that, I was like, I couldn't believe that they were doing that, you know. I was really surprised that they were doing that. Uh, but then just to see them, you know, yeah, Kira Takasaki. Uh so uh yeah, I think he's I think you're right. I think he's still the only uh original member, but yeah, they've been around since 81. And are you gonna are you a big loudness guy?

SPEAKER_01 52:02

I'm not actually. Uh I've kind of watched them from a distance, which it doesn't make sense because if I if I had been exposed to that stuff back when I was into thrash and power metal and stuff like that, it I would have been a fan. But I just I don't know. There was just so much music around.

SPEAKER_02 52:19

It was yeah, it's hard to get into everything. I got into them in the beginning when they first came out, but then they kind of drifted. I sort of drifted away from them. So it was it was kind of like what you said. There was just so much volume of music, it's hard to keep up with everything, and then you know it's like 26 or 27 uh records that they've made. I think it was something like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:41

Like once you go past like 10 records, you're you're a prolific artist.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

Pretty much, yeah. I'd say so. Yeah. Um now interestingly, uh Dave Elf Ellfson, originally of course a megadeth fame, is now playing bass in Metal Church and for their new album. And then of course they have this new video for Brainwash game, um, which I saw and I thought it was like kind of classic Metal Churchy, but it was kind of interesting to see Elfson playing with it.

SPEAKER_01 53:08

Oh, yeah. It sounds great, it sounded great. Uh another band that I never got into that but you know, like I got into like uh Testament and Forbidden and stuff like that. I mean that like Metal Charge would have been like right up there. Yeah, so um I I'm glad that he kind of landed on his feet because I I don't understand I don't know, like you know, the whole Megan thing, just like we talked about that in a previous episode. Um I'm so over the the day versus Dave crap. Yeah, you know, it's nice to see him being able to like spread his wings with a different group of people.

SPEAKER_02 53:45

Yeah, I agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

And they're they're totally locked in.

SPEAKER_02 53:49

Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it's he seemed like he fit, like it didn't seem weird. It was it was interesting to see him in the video because he kind of stands out because it's him, you know what I mean? But not in a way that I thought felt weird. He seemed like he belonged with the band. So you know, it seemed like it worked out. So but it was just interesting to see him in there because it feels like he's almost like cheating on Megadeth in a way, you know what I mean? Yeah, you know what I mean, even though he's obviously not in the band anymore, but and uh and it doesn't sound like that's ever gonna happen again because of that riff between the two of them, but you know, with the brother happened, but yeah, so but yeah, I thought it was cool, and I thought the song was good.

SPEAKER_01 54:23

Yes, so yeah, as far as modern metal goes, I mean you can't do uh much better than that.

SPEAKER_02 54:29

Yeah. So look for Brainwash Game by Metal Church with Dave Ellison. I also saw that Nevermore has uh kind of regrouped now and has signed with uh my old label, Nuclear Blast, which is also now they have a another branch called Raining Phoenix Music, which is kind of another branch of Nuclear Blast, I think. Um, new label. Um there's a little bit of controversy because again, you know, replacing Raldane kind of a big deal, right? So like how do you you know replace him? So so it's like it's one of those things where there was a lot of like they're gonna be able to pull us off, but I don't know, it seems like it's like it seems like they they are. I mean they're getting ready to do a tour and you know the release of new albums and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean it's making a comeback.

SPEAKER_01 55:10

We talked about the replacement of essential members in bands before.

SPEAKER_00 55:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

Um and you know, I kinda think we kind of came to the general consensus that not everybody can be replaced, obviously. So i i it's it's a gamble. Some bands have pulled it off, and I would put you know them in with that crowd.

SPEAKER_02 55:33

Yeah. Well, that was I think that's also partially what happened with Queens Right, because when Jeff Tate uh left the band, it was like, well, how do you replace Jeff Tate? But then they did, and he's great. And the new singers, and well, he's not new anymore, but the singer that's in there now, he's he's he nailed. Like a friend of mine that was a big Queen's Right fan went to see them right after the new singer joined, and I was like, How'd it go? And he's like, I didn't even notice a difference because it was just just like I mean he is I mean, obviously there's a difference, but he fit the shoes of Tate, which is like those are pretty big shoes. Yeah, yeah. So, but but you know, they pulled it off and they seemed to be doing okay without Jeff Tate. So very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

We said the same thing about uh Alice and Chains. Yep, yeah, absolutely. Said the same thing about how ACDC pulled themselves back together for back and back so yeah, some bands made it work, so I guess you know it looks like Nevermore's on that path, too.

SPEAKER_02 56:27

Um, did you have anything else in music news?

SPEAKER_01 56:30

Um yeah, something weird that I came across. Apparently, uh Phil Anselmo, there was some kind of a rumor going around and he had some kind of cancer, and then he came out and he was like, Don't listen to that crap. That's just a bunch of rumors made up by what I guess I guess AI. Yeah generated fucking rumors. How fucking wrong is that? I know, right? Someone who I mean, first of all, you don't fuck with Phil. Yeah, I mean unless you have like a death wish, but it it I don't know. I like we've talked about the uh encroachment of the technology. We've talked about in previous episodes like AI and music, AI as authors of music, but to have the this AI, then it's not even bots doing it. It's like a what they call it, an AI swarm or something.

SPEAKER_02 57:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

Where I mean it's basically able to use uh what uh uh learning models that are plugged into it to help it figure out how to adapt to changing circumstances and and come up with this this this this content that's just complete fabrication.

SPEAKER_02 57:49

Bullshit, yeah. Yeah, I saw all the comments of people freaking out that he was sick and all these things, and then and then I saw that video that you're talking about where he came out. I think I saw it on Instagram because I follow him on there, and he's like, uh, okay, I want to dress this. This is bullshit. I'm not sick. You can see I'm perfectly fine. I'm working on the new down album, we're mixing that. So I mean, you know, so he went through this whole thing about what he's up to, and I'm like, he looks perfectly fine. Like, where the hell did this even come from? But he was like, it was AI. So then I was like, Jesus Christ, man. So now we gotta deal with that, you know, where we have like false rumors of that shit coming out, and then the and he looked exhausted. He looked like he had been like and answering comments and stuff for like, are you serious? He has to deal with this bullshit. So, you know, it's like it's gotta be frustrating for somebody like that when they're dealing with those kind of rumors.

SPEAKER_01 58:33

Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know what we can even do about it.

SPEAKER_02 58:37

Yeah, I don't know. Well, let's see how.

SPEAKER_01 58:39

Hopefully, there's just a collective realization from everyone that's just like I'm gonna not believe anything I read on the internet on multiple spots, and you know, yeah, some validation.

SPEAKER_02 58:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Um, okay, so Phil and Somo is fine. So just uh let everybody know that. All right, so that means uh we are moving over into our album review of the episode. And uh this was my pick this week. I went with uh Hammerfall Legacy of Kings from 1998, which is actually an album I promoted for nuclear blast when I was working there. And I also helped coordinate the tour that they did with Death. So it was Death and Hammerfall that year. I helped coordinate that tour. So this was kind of like you know, and I I wanted to do Hammerfall this time because of Jimmy. Because our interview with him, he's such a big round guy, and you know, I thought this was an appropriate album for that.

SPEAKER_01 59:44

I think it just was that was intentional, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:45

That was intentional, yeah. So uh, so what's your what's the low now? What do you think? So two sided, yep.

SPEAKER_01 59:58

Uh I read a tidbit about them that their first album uh debuted at number 38 on the German music charts when it came out. The debut album, and apparently that had never happened before. Oh, I didn't know that. The Glory to the Brave album. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So apparently, like right out of the gate, it did real fucking well. And then they, you know, did whatever touring in support of the album, and then they went and recorded uh this thing, right? Yeah, um 1998. But man, all I have most of my notes are repeats of the same words over and over again. Maiden, priest, means right, fate of warning.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:43

Um not that these are bad things. It's just it's just uh I mean I it's it's definitely um um complimentary. Um but it's it's it's definitely a branch of metal that I never really got into very heavily. Oh, okay, cool. Yeah. I I and again, his this is another example of had this come along when I was listening to more of like the speedle metal and threshmetal stuff and really like digging into that stuff, I would have been a fan for life.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, well well now how does it resonate with you? Do you find it like is it is it hitting home or you're still not is still kind of lukewarm for you, or it sounds fictitious, or like where do you land with it now?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:28

Um it sounds great. Like I mean, the production is is top notch. Yeah, totally um and the playing the it's there's a lot of talent. Um and I I like it, it's not something that I would personally go out and buy, but it's definitely something that I would pull up on YouTube and play.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:47

Oh, gotcha, cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:48

You know what I mean? Sure. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm just if I just want some metal playing in the background, this would be in the top five of the contenders. And man, I gotta tell you, the song Remember yesterday?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:58

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:59

I must have played that song 20 times. That's my favorite.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:02

It's such a good song, right? Yes, I love that song.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:04

Man, it's like uh it says uh great guitar intro, but it's totally queens right. Listen to the first line when he sings. Uh can you tell me why it seems so hard to carry on? And he does that. Can you tell me why it seems so you know, he's doing the whole taping, man, and it's just uh it worked.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:27

Yeah. So as a ballot, that's like that power ballot where everybody holds their phones up and goes like this now. So everybody does that. Oh, yeah, because nobody has a lighter anymore. Nobody has a ladder anymore, so that's what I do now instead of the phone. So, but that's one of those songs where you had hold up the phone and do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:42

Oh, sure, yeah. But I enjoyed it, man. It just it was everything is just so crisp and well recorded, and I just very clean.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:50

It's super clean. Yeah, the production is super clean.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

Yeah. Uh what else do I have here? Uh at the end of the rainbow. Yep. Which is after that. Uh clearly, someone here is a tone nerd. Uh I'd love to know how many how they make how they mic this. Everything is so clear.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:15

I I wrote down for that one. Feels like a song Dio would guessed on and has a dark foreboding tone to it. Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:24

No, that works.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:25

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:27

Yeah, man. It just uh uh motorhead I got on one of these uh on back to back.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:32

Back to back, yeah. Back to back, I have um I have this is the montage song you play when preparing for battle. So because at one point he goes, kill with power, and then yeah, just before the lead, just before he drips in the lead. So I was like, fuck yeah. I was like grabbing my Viking gear, I was grabbing and I wanted an axe, you know, and grabbing an axe and a shield and let's fucking do this, you know. So I was ready to, you know, I was ready to rock with that song. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:58

Yeah. No, that wasn't a bad song on this entire album.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:01

Yeah. Um, I thought, um, yeah, for me, uh, the first song Heating the Call, the way it kind of hits right out of the gate, you're already like, okay, I'm I'm in. You know, it's kind of like that the galloping guitar kind of thing, and you're just kind of like in, it's got this whole great, like real dual driving guitar kind of feel to it. I like that sort of chunkiness with the goal with the guitar thing that they were doing. And what I thought was uh one of the things interesting about that first song is that it's only about four minutes and thirty seconds long, but it feels like like it's a big epic song, right? Yeah, so I mean that not yeah, it feels longer, but not in like a dragging out bad way. It just feels like grandiose, like it's this big, you know, just sweeping song. So I thought that was really cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:42

Uh let me ask you, let me throw a question out. Uh yeah. So that song I this is gonna sound weird, but I heard in in the the chorus, I heard Pacabell's Canon and D.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:57

Oh, I wouldn't be I don't know if I caught that, but I would not be surprised that was in there. Uh go back and listen to it. I'll have to go back and listen to that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:04

So I know I'm not crazy and thinking that that I kind of that's in the middle of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:08

That's in there somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:08

I have to go back and listen to that. Okay. It's like the strains of it. It's speeded up, obviously, because you know the classical piece of the case.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:16

I'll go back and listen to that. I'll have to listen to that. Um so and also I was listening to um the the title track Legacy of Kings, and um let me see. I have down here that this uh should be on a soundtrack with some warriors battling in the field somewhere in cold, grassy, wet, wet grass. Very wet grass. Okay, well that's just what I was picturing when I heard that.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:41

Get the hose out. Gotta wet that grass down a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:47

Um Let me see here. What else did I have? Uh blah blah blah blah blah. Oh yeah, there's a lot of like I felt a lot of like battle stuff here. Like Dreamland would felt like a like a like like a something you would march to. Yeah. You're forming like, you know, battle lines and shit like that. So I just feel like I feel my inner Viking come out with these guys. Um The only thing that I thought was uh the uh um let me see, what was it? Warriors of Faith and uh what was it? Stronger than Stronger. Yeah, Stronger Than All. I those songs I thought those were the only two that I kind of felt they sounded sort of like they didn't really need to be on the album. They kind of felt repetitious to me in a way. Like it was just kind of like filler songs. Not I'm you know, I'm not judging them, I'm just kind of felt they kind of felt that way. Every other song really kind of had some sort of pronounced thing to it, where those two kind of felt like meh, you know, they didn't need to necessarily be on here, not in a bad way, but they just kind of felt like songs that you know, like sort of very repetitious to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:47

They weren't as strong as the other two, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:49

And then the and but the way it ends though, uh with Fallen One was amazing. That's the one with the great piano intro. His vocals just kind of sore on that in the beginning, and then it goes into this powerful arrangement that I thought was just beautifully written. So, you know, there's a strong way to close the record. Oh, I thought that was an amazing way to close, yeah. So, but that's what I mean. That like you get past those two other songs which feel kind of boilerplate, and then you get back to that, you're like, holy shit, there's that kind of grandiose thing that you know that they delivered on the other song.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:18

So, you know, I got that vibe a little bit of the last uh two to three songs. Um what I got out of it was I really uh I guess how I how I coped with that was I I just focused on the guitar tone, and I kept hearing uh Richie Faulkner from Priest. Yeah, his car setup is just bananas. Oh, I love his stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:42

It sounds amazing. Yeah, he's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

And and yeah, and that's what the the guitar tracks sound like on those songs. I'm like, man, this is like listening to Richie play.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:50

Right on. I can hear that. Yeah, I told you. Yeah, I wrote down Judas Priest and I mentioned a couple things here that you know they definitely hit hit those marks a bit with the guitar stuff, especially. Yeah, for sure. Yep. Um, okay, anything else on Hammerfall Legacy of Kings?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:04

I didn't know they were from Sweden.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:06

Yeah, yep, Swedish band.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:08

Yep, very interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:09

Yeah, all right, that wraps us up there, and now we are on to the mystery band. Ah, and again, this is my choice. Now, just FYI. I did go back and listen to Modred in this life. Oh, yeah. Just so you know, from 1991, and I wrote down some notes on this one. Now I won't do the whole review, but here's my here's my overall notes, right? All right, um, dirty, nasty punk metal, a band, a band you'd find in a club next to a porn theater in Times Square in 1979. I love it, but yet complex and dare I say progressive too. Like that second song, the way it starts with the bass. I'm like, holy shit, where'd that come from? Yeah, so but I was like, God damn, those guys can play. But the hooks were interesting, it was very unique, and I just thought it was something that why did I not hear about this?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:11

Yeah, I don't I don't know. I think it was I think I mentioned last time that I only knew about it because I think I caught it on WSOU.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:20

Oh, okay, that's it. So they never really got got anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:24

No, I mean, I I remember hearing the song falling away, yeah, uh a couple times on the radio, and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go buy that album. Um, and I I felt like that was the strongest song on the record.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:38

Uh I I mean it's no slouch, and it's definitely very distinctive for its time.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:43

Oh, for sure. Like that that's one of the things that it stood out to me like crazy, just the style of it, and it's like this mixture of like kind of metal and punk, and but it's got it got it's got this dirty, nasty, kind of like bluesy thing going on at the same time. And it just feels gritty, but also like you just want to listen to like more of it. Like it was uh I I wanted more, so I just thought it was really cool. Um you had a chance to listen to Grief now, right? Zealand Arder? Oh yeah. What'd you think?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:10

I think I I think I dropped it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:12

I didn't get to talk to you about it, I just know you listened to it, so and I know you you seemed excited about it, so what'd you think?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:18

Oh uh uh it's it's uh it's well I'm trying to think back to it now. I mean it's it's very modern sounding, obviously, but like the tightness is on another level in that music. And uh I I watched a live clip of one of those shows after I listened to the the record, and uh they're crowd killers, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:41

Oh dude, I saw them. Yeah, they're and they're incredible live. Oh, really? Yeah, I saw them here in Portland. So yeah, incredible live, man. I was I I I saw them here at the uh yeah, at the Wonder Wonder Ballroom. But yeah, they're they I really wanted to go out and seek them out because they were just so good when I saw them.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:57

They're um I they're they the way that they put together their music is um just different enough to help them stand out, yeah, but it's similar enough to a lot of the other proggy stuff like what we were talking about.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:11

100%.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:11

Yeah that it like fits in with that genre of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:15

Yeah, it doesn't come off as like being pretentious, no, right? No, no, not at all. It's honest and feels very rounded and yeah, for sure. Cool. I just want to see if you would listen to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:25

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:26

Okay, so I got my mystery band for you this week, is actually another band from the 90s. They had one album, kind of like Mordred. Um, I don't know if you heard of them or not. Um, but it's a band called LSD Life, Sex, and Death.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:42

I've heard of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:43

Okay, there's an album called, they only have one album called The Silent Majority. Okay, so that's your assignment to listen to that before the next episode. Okay, so that's your mystery band. And we'll talk about them more then because I know all about that band. I've seen them like four times, I know their history. I'm a huge fan of that album, and it kills me that they never got anywhere because they came out like 9091 somewhere, and they came out right when grunge was starting to take off, and like sort of the hard rock stuff was was kind of getting crushed by grunge. So their timing was bad, and they got they had this big contract that they signed and stuff, but it they had this combination of kind of these two things that were against them one the scene shifting, but then secondly, they had this really unique singer singer named Stanley. Now, I'll I'll elaborate more, you know, the next time we talk, but but it but basically Stanley was kind of like it's a guy named Chris Stan, who was actually uh he had played with uh the guitars before when they were still playing in Chicago. And what they decided to do was this sort of gimmick, though. So they made Stan uh they made this character called Stanley, and he was sort of the story goes was that the band was recording in the studio one day, and then Stanley kind of watered in from the street, and he was this homeless guy, and then they kind of had him sing and then he became part of the band. So that's kind of the story. Now, the persona though, they played it up like crazy, like they made him really homeless. Like I saw them, like I said, three or four times. I was right up front. I saw them at Dobbs in South Philly, and I saw also at TLA, the Theater of Living Arts in South Philly. And every time I saw them, I saw them like twice at each venue thing. Every time I saw them, I was right up at the stage, and Stanley stanked like hell. You could smell him like you know, like 10 feet away. He just because he never bathed, he played up the role of being homeless. So before they would play, he would be sleeping out by the dumpster while the band was in the green room. He would be like stalking up and down South Street, like terrorizing people. They'd be like freaked the fuck out because they they thought he was home, some homeless whack job, and then he'd go in and sing and then play on stage with him. So and he did these crazy dances and stuff. So I think they were trying to bank on the on the person, persona of him just making him different, but then people didn't. I don't think they got it, and I think if anything, they kind of is they found it off-putting. So I thought it was an interesting gimmick. Um, I mean, the smell was a little bit to deal with, but but the but the son of a bitch man, he is like, wait, you hear his voice? And he he does this like a cappella stuff, he plays piano, and he's just like this amazing singer. He's got this gritty bluesy kind of voice to him, and you know, and if you get a chance, try to look up uh they have a video called Tank. You can also there's another video called Schools for Fools. You can find both on YouTube. So if you look him up and just watch the videos, you'll be like, Oh, that's the that's the guy that Sean was talking about in Stanley. So look up Life, Sex, and Death. And again, the album is called The Silent Majority.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:31

Okay, okay. That's that's crazy that uh he kind of hammed it up for the camera, so to speak, but yeah, but kind of living the but he really lived it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:42

It was like it wasn't nobody ever caught him faking it, like they they never caught him like out of character, he was always no matter what, he was Stanley, yeah. So, and I and I saw him like you know, I was watching behind the scenes the whole thing, and he was always in character, so but yeah, but he people were freaked out by him. So I think it's uh well, they're really good musicians, and the songs are catchy, and you're gonna appreciate some of the lyrics. Uh, especially for uh two of the songs I think you'll find interesting will be Big Black Bush and also Fucking Shitass. I think you're gonna find both of those songs very compelling. So you'll know why when you hear them. So I'm already hooked. Yep, fucking shitass and big black bush. Two of the hits to the hits.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:26

I know I've heard that name before.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:28

Well, you probably did when back in the 90s, because they they swung through Philly like three or four times, like I said. So they you may have been in the scene around that time when they were kind of floating around, you know, touring. So that might have been why you heard of them. So because they didn't really they were like kind of like mortgage where they never really got anywhere, they just didn't get any traction. And I think again the Stanley thing, and then just the timing. Um, but you know, but but unfortunately, yeah, they just never got anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:52

So and what year was this now?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:55

9091, somewhere in there. Oh, early, yeah, early. Yep, yep. So yeah, right when grunge was taken off.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:01

That's when they hit, but then could have been that I came across them via uh uh headbang's ball.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:07

That's that's entirely possible because they were playing tank on there a bit. So uh I don't think they're playing schools for fools, but they were playing tank a bit, so that might have been where you saw them. Okay, okay, all right, all right, so there we go. All right, last thing, uh wrapping up with live shows and tours that we are keeping up on. Um, I saw that Amon or Marth and Death Clock are teaming up for a tour in 2026 called the Amon Clock Conquest.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:43

Do you know how many people are gonna go to those shows? They're gonna be they're gonna be sold-out shows, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:50

Big time.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:51

Because Amon A Marth is like one of the most popular, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um death metal-ish type of bands. Um, so yeah, and I mean there's uh Deathclock gets a lot of respect too, especially because of the tie-in with uh what is it? Metalocalypse.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:08

Yeah, yeah, with it with the cartoon. Yeah, yep. Yeah, I've I've watched every episode of that, like twice. So yeah, I'm a huge fan of that show. Nice, nice. Have you watched it?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:18

No, I've seen clips, I've seen a couple clips, dude. You gotta watch that show. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:23

You know, you are gonna love that show so goddamn much. You have to start watching it. It's uh, I think you can catch on an HBO. Just watch it from the first episode on back. You will get hooked on it immediately. You will want to want to watch every episode, I'm telling you. One for the music, because the music music's awesome, but then secondly, it's hysterical, and it's and it's so metal, it's so metal. You will love like the themes in it. Oh my god, it's hysterical.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:46

Yeah, I gotta give it a chance. You have to give it a chance.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:49

Yeah, it's really funny. It's really funny, okay. Yeah, yeah, definitely worth the yeah, definitely worth the watch. Yeah, but that's you're right, that's gonna be huge. Amon and Martha alone, that's you know, because of them, but then Deathclock on top of it, that's gonna be a killer tour. So, yep. The Amant Clock conquest. Um, I also saw Creator is on tour with Carcass and Cold Steel in May.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:08

That's an interesting bill, right? I mean, they're kind of they kind of both come from the same parrots, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:18

Yeah, that's a yeah, that's a good description.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:20

You know, uh, but uh yeah, that would be kind of I sometimes I appreciate shows where the bands are like you know different, yeah, as opposed to like just a slew of you know five grind core bands in a row. By the third one, I'm like I'm going home, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:35

Yeah, that's how yeah, there's a um bleed from within is coming through, but they're playing with like two or three other bands, and I really just want to see them. So I think I'm gonna get a ticket, but like not go until like nine o'clock. Okay. You know what I mean? So because I'm just I'm old and I don't want to sit there through all these, you know, through all the bands that give a shit about. So, but yeah, because I'm like you too and it's like eh, I don't need to see that one. Nothing against the bands, there's nothing wrong with the bands. I'm just like, you know, there's only so much time during the day. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:00

Yep, yep, yep, yep. So we are all limited in valuable lifetime.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:05

And I also just got uh my ticket for another show in May uh by Orancy Pazuzu, the the the sort of like their technical um industrial black metal from Iceland.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:17

Okay, I where have I seen that name? Did we discuss it?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:20

We talked about them a little bit, yeah. So uh, but but I'm gonna go see I have tickets for them in May, and you're gonna see Sun. Sun is in April. In April, okay, so cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:31

And Triumph is in May. Oh, that's right. Where's Triumph playing?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:37

At uh over in Camden at the Oh, that's right at the big thing, center thing, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:43

Yeah, they keep changing the name.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:45

They changed the name of that place like 10 times.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:46

I don't I can't so uh looking forward to that. And interestingly, about that, two weeks ago I went to pick up a guitar from this dude that lived about an hour away from here, and we were just starting to talk about music, and he goes, uh I I would love to see I'm a huge Triumph fan because he was talking about his uh influences, and I'm like, You are really. I said, Do you know that I can count on one hand all the people that I met in my life that like Triumph?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:19

Oh, I love Triumph.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:20

Not many, not many.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:21

I know it's a surprisingly small list considering how amazing that band is.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:26

I I'm telling you, so he's like, I know they're gonna be playing soon. I'd like to get a ticket. Uh and I said, I already got one, man. You should get if you you know, if you get a ticket, maybe you know we'll run into each other there and rock out.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:38

But cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:40

All right, you got anything else? Any other tour news?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:43

Uh I I not tour news, but uh, you know, the the dead cannedys are playing uh what what's left of them, you know, the minus jump. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:53

Uh they're playing uh some kind of park punk rock in the gar in the park, punk, punk, punk in the park thing. Yeah, I saw something about that, but then they recently decided to not play that.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:05

No, they're gonna play it, uh, but they're not going, they're gonna disassociate themselves from oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:10

They're gonna play that one gig, but then jump out after that.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:13

Yeah, because they you know, they're like, you know, look, people already bought tickets and then we went on trying to do that. Um, but but Biafra was like, you know, I never would have gotten involved in that in the first place. Yeah, and then it's everything the dead Kennedys were about.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:27

Well, and the controversy, just so everybody knows, is that the the person who organized the festival itself is has been uh they did some investigation, they found out that he was a big MAGA contributor, so he contributed to Trump and all that. And of course, uh Biafra and you know those guys in general, very anti you know, Trump and government in general. So, but that was where you know they didn't know when they were getting involved. So that's hence the controversy.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:50

Yep, yeah. Okay, yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:52

So look for that. Um, but yeah, if you did get tickets for that, uh just know that they're gonna honor the they're gonna honor that first show, but then after that, they're gonna bail after that. All right. Uh anything else? I believe that is it. I believe that's it too. Okay, that was it for this episode. Thanks again for joining us, and uh, we'll be back for episode seven, you know, soon. Thank you for joining us. Please share our podcast with anyone who appreciates that. Please share a Twitter Facebook Podcast.