Distortion Analysis
Two dudes talking about metal music. Each episode we'll cover a specific topic related to heavy music, we'll review an album, talk about music news, expose artists we haven't heard yet, cover live tours and include interviews with artists.
Distortion Analysis
Distortion Analysis - Episode 10
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TOPIC - Shock metal - when do bands go too far? Are they serious or is it just for attention? Including discussions of GG Allin and the Murder Junkies, A.C., Burzum/Mayhem, burning churches in the 90s, GWAR, etc.
NEWS -
Incantation has asked fans to bring non-perishable food items due to bad hospitality at venues during their tour.
Eric Morotti - Drummer for Suffocation suddenly quits stating that he no longer wants to work with abusive drug addicts. He’s now playing with Sanguisugabogg on their tour with Lamb of God. Suffocation has responded by saying he was let go due to tour conflicts with Sanguisugabogg.
The Pretty Reckless’ Taylor Momsen’s Recent Spider Bite Saw Her Spend Last Night In The Hospital: "..Poisonous spiders are NO BUENO"
ALBUM REVIEW - William’s Pick: Cathedral - The Ethereal Mirror
MYSTERY BAND - Sean’s Pick
LIVE SHOWS / TOURS -
Our concert reviews:
William - Sunn
Sean - Bleed From Within
Baby Metal going on tour Halestorm.
Yob, Dopethrone, Khemmis and Greenleaf among others confirmed for RippleFest this September in Austin, TX.
Twisted Sister have announced their first dates with Sebastian Bach this September and October.
Dimmu Borgir playing a limited run in the US with Hypocrisy, Suffocation and Hulder in August.
Welcome to the store and analysis. For each episode we discuss various topics of music news, bands on tour, and share album reviews all focused on heavy metal. Here are your hosts, Sean McKnight and William Rizzo. We are back. And this is episode 10. Double digits, my friend. Wow. Yes. This is a truly momentous moment. It is. We have hit we have hit double digits now for our episode. Momentous moment in metal music. It is a momentous moment in metal music. I agree with that.
SPEAKER_05Magnificent and malicious.
SPEAKER_00And momentous and malicious. Yes. And metal music.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yes. Happy to still be here. Happy to still be doing it.
SPEAKER_00That's right. Yeah. So so far, so good. So what? So much fun. So yeah. And I don't know if you had a chance, but if you had a chance to log into our analytics stuff, um, we've got listeners in Venezuela, Brazil, Qatar. No kidding. Yeah. And we got uh we got hits from all those different countries. That's badass. Argentina, too. Argentina's that's badass, man. Yeah. So it's just like I was looking at it, going, oh, we got some listeners in other countries. So that's kind of cool.
SPEAKER_05So just well, if those folks are listening right now would just like to say, howdy do, thank you very much.
SPEAKER_00Welcome. And thank you for listening. So, yes, so much. All right, so we're ready to get into the topic of the episode. Let's do it. All right, here we go. So this episode's topic uh was uh shock and metal, like you know, bands that do stuff for shock value, stuff like that. Uh when do they when do they go too far? Uh, this is kind of like there's a recent uh controversy about this, which is one of the reasons why I wanted to bring this up. Um and I guess one of my things about it is are they really serious about what they're doing? Like, do they really mean it? Or is it just like all show for attention? Like, is it a gimmick, right? So what came to mind when I presented that that topic to you?
SPEAKER_05Um actually certain conversations that I had had with people over the years about this actual topic. Um basically they're they're personal recollections of some of the shock artists that are out there. Um, so for example, the guy who introduced me to the Ramones and uh the Vapors, which we talked about.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, that's right. I want to talk about them too. So just heads up to them. But I didn't listen to them, so I'll shut up. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_05No, well, I we would talk about music all the time when he wasn't busy cooking shit. And so uh one day he says, Um, are you into like harder punk? And I'm like, Well, I like metal mostly. And he goes, Oh, well, you probably don't know this band, but I went to go see a band last night called the Plasmatics.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, and I'm like, Okay, who's that?
SPEAKER_05And he goes, It's just a punk band, but the front person uh of it is Wendy O uh Williams. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And uh he goes, so I walk in the venue and she's up on stage wearing like next to nothing, and she's uh standing over like what looks like a some kind of I don't know, body or something. She's fucking sawing it in half as soon as he walked in. I said, Did you stay? He's like, Yeah, yeah. I mean I wanted to see what was gonna happen. Yeah, so that was funny. That's crazy. Uh it all it so there was another point a few years afterwards after I had moved out to and I was talking with a guy who we'd started talking about Gigi Allen, uh who you had mentioned, and uh he he told me that I had never heard of the guy before. Um I had no idea. So he just says uh the craziest shit that I ever saw was going to see Gigi Allen in concert. I'm like, who is that? He goes, Gigi Allen. He actually saw Gigi Allen. Oh my god. He saw Gigi Allen and he said, uh, this guy like goes crazy. He jumps off the stage, he starts punching people, um, he's you know, cuts himself and then smears himself with blood and all kinds of body fluids. And uh I'm like, you what? You know, I'd never heard of anything like that. And he goes, uh I'm like, I thought you were gonna tell me that he was like, you know, when you said like like uh like up this guy was a punk rocker, I thought you were gonna talk about like like Sid Vicious. He goes, Oh no, no, this guy was not like Sid Vicious. He said, uh, I watched him pull down his shorts, take a shit on the floor, and then pick up his shit and start flinging it at people.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I've already did that, yeah.
SPEAKER_05And he said, That was the only time in my life where I felt truly afraid. Wow, no kidding that show because it was so unpredictable and out of control.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So have you been to a show like that? Did you go to a show where it was just like that out of control?
SPEAKER_05No, I mean I've seen you know, so let's talk about it. There's a difference between the shock of staged theatrics, right? Where they're following kind of like a pre-ordered script. Yes, like the example that I'm thinking of is when I saw exhumed last year.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_05What did they what did they do? They they have a little bit that they do where the guitarist uh goes through a mock execution of the heading. Oh. So they they have a little guillotine that they have up there, and he puts his head through, and the blade comes down and the head falls into a basket. And you know, I mean they've rehearsed it a million times.
SPEAKER_00Does it look does it look cool or does it look realistic?
SPEAKER_05Oh yeah, no, it doesn't look cheesy at all. Okay, wow. And and then um the guy the there's there's they have like this uh this guy, this mad scientist, mad doctor with uh you know medical scrubs and a mask, and he's constantly like looking at you and he would like pick up the head and swing it around and all kinds of you know, everybody would get drenched in blood.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_05Um, you know, and I I I was laughing the whole time. I got hit with the blood, but it was still fun.
SPEAKER_00I'm guessing they got some of that from Alice Cooper because Alice Cooper used to do that.
SPEAKER_05That's right, right. So, you know, there's a lot of stage theatrics, and I was gonna bring him up, right? Alice Cooper also like Kiss. Yeah. Um I don't know that I would put Ozzy in that.
SPEAKER_00No, yeah, no, I don't know. Like I yeah, I don't know about that. He didn't he never seemed to go that over the top. It was like there's stage props and stuff, but he never he never, I don't think, got too involved in theatrics himself, like costumes and stuff a little bit, maybe, but nothing like too crazy.
SPEAKER_05Well, I was thinking about the bat episode, the interesting thing. Yeah, the bat, yeah, yeah, the bat episode, but yeah, but that was not scripted, and that's why I don't think that he belongs in that group of no, I wouldn't no, I wouldn't categorize him in that group either.
SPEAKER_00You know who I would put in the category early on would be Bowie. Oh, yeah. Because I mean Bowie when he yeah, when he came out as Ziggy Stardust, people were like, what the fuck is that? And then but it was this character, and it was like one of the first times that you know somebody took it to that level of theatricality, but not the way I didn't think, but but he didn't I never thought he was going for shock though. I always thought he was going for art. Yeah, I would agree with that. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_05So I don't think he was trying to shock anyone any more than anyone. No, I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00I think that's just was his artistic vision. Yeah. So now going back to the shock value, do you think there's uh value in that, or do you think it diminishes the band's I I'm sure it depends on the band, but overall, do you think it's something it takes away or do you think it's something that adds?
SPEAKER_05First of all, it it totally depends on the band. Right. Uh you know, you can't you can't put a Gigi Allen performance on the same shelf as Alice Cooper. Right. It just isn't the same. Um because with Gigi Allen you felt a sense of real danger being around true.
SPEAKER_00Well, also let's let's mine into that for a second. Do you think if Gigi Allen didn't do that, would he get would his music been enough to carry his career? Oh, that's a good way of framing it. You know what I'm saying? Like take out the shock, leaving the music just like if he was just like a regular performing kind of guy without scaring shit on himself and punching people in the audience, would he have still like let's say even just as a punk artist, would he have still had the same carried the same weight or had the same legend or drew the same amount of people? Do you think that would have happened or no?
SPEAKER_05I I th I don't think he would have been less popular because his music and his lyrics were were actually quite um you know, just just angry. Um I think he, you know, in true punk fashion, he poked fun at, you know, uh uh orderly society. And uh, you know, uh just look at the song titles of offense. But you know, if you took away the the craziness aspect of it, you'd still have a lot of people going to those shows because he was a true punk. If he never got the stage and he all he did was, you know, shake his fist while he was going nuts on stage by himself and it didn't disrobe or anything like that. Uh people would still say, Man, he's fucking great. Okay, he's fucking great at what he does. But I know that there's at least a section of those fans that went specifically to see the the craziness for the chaos, just to see what happened.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Because there's a lot of people in society that vibe off of that shit. Oh, they vibe off of chaos, they vibe off of instability and violence, yeah, and it just tickles a funny bone in them that you wouldn't get at a different show.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. Well, no, I mean, even to the point where they don't care if the show gets shut down. Because I've been I I've I was I've been to shows where they got kind of crazy, and the the the worst show I was ever at where uh like SWAT team rag gear showed up. I mean, like oh shit, yeah. It was in Allentown, it was a Pungent Stench and Acid Bass show. No shit. Well and Pungent Stench was head headlining, and right in the middle of their set, well, actually, just at the beginning of their set, a bunch of skinheads showed up. Oh they just kind of like and and what and what the shitty part is nobody noticed them right away because they kind of like showed up in the middle of the of the show and they kind of like slowly kind of weaved themselves themselves into the crowd, so they spread out across the whole crowd. We didn't nobody knew, and then all of a sudden, right in the middle of Pungeon's set, they went fucking crazy and then started like they basically started a riot. What to the point where the set got shut down, the cops showed up in riot gear, the whole thing was cleared out. I mean, yeah. It was like that. So they Pungeon never finished the set. Damn, but yeah, so but that's but that's but they were there to soak chaos. I mean, that's what they were there for. Yeah, that's fucking bullshit. That's all it was. That's all it was. That's all they gave a shit about.
SPEAKER_05Just show imagine flying from all the way from fucking Austria, right?
SPEAKER_00Exactly. I know, so yeah, Punch and St. Like they they they held in as long as they could, but they played maybe four or five songs, and then that was it, they were done. Wow. Over, then everybody's outside, and the cops were there, whatever. So yeah, it was a it was a freaking mess. But yeah, there there are people like that, they just show up to fuck shit up and they just want you know, chaos, and that's it. And what kills me is they pay to do that, they pay to come in to cause that mess. So it's just like it costs money, and then you make the effort to get there, and then you know, and that's what they want to do.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it's just doesn't matter, it's in furtherance of that goal.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it makes no sense. So now what were some of your favorite shock bands and why?
SPEAKER_05Uh I was always honestly more into the music than I was into any kind of shock performances. There's different levels of theatricality, right? So when I went to see AC DC, I was looking forward to Angus's solo with that he just takes just by himself where he walks out into the middle of the crowd and going nuts and shit. Um yeah, I mean, I don't know that I really went to go see anybody for the shock value of it. Even even the the heaviest, fastest bands I ever saw, I didn't go for the shock value of it. Even seeing Slayer, yeah, yeah, you know, and and they're like they're pretty fucking intense, man.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_05But part of what makes their performances so nuts, or what did was they're they're fans, yeah, big time. They're fans crazy threw gasoline onto that fire.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, big time, you know.
SPEAKER_05Um, but yeah, I don't really I don't really know that I have bands that I've seen that I want to go see because of. I knew what was gonna happen at the exhumed show because I cheated a little bit and I watched a former show on YouTube. Okay, gotcha. And I said, Oh, okay, well, maybe I won't be up close to the stage. I was up close to the fucking stage. And wrenched by the blood. And I was like, man, if I get pulled over going home tonight, I get a lot explaining to do. It's probably got some splaining. Probably gonna take me a little longer to get home.
SPEAKER_00So uh have you ever seen Guar Live?
SPEAKER_05No, actually, well, you've never seen Guar. Oh no, they played they played one of the Milwaukee Metal Fests that we went to.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_05I don't remember it might have been the year that we played the Metal Fest, which was 96, and they must have played on Saturday night, and we played on Friday, and I don't know how long we stayed around on on Saturday, I don't remember. Okay, yeah, but uh yeah, I think that was like the only chance I got to see them. Have you ever seen them?
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen them. Um, like uh I saw him in Lancaster, Pennsylvania at the at this club called the Chameleon. And um, yeah, it was like uh uh I got punched right in the face in the pit. Oh shit. Yeah, that sucked. And then and you get wet. No matter where you are, you're gonna get wet at a GWAR show. Right. So you don't wear, you know, you never wear people wear white shirts intentionally to come out of it with almost like a tie-dye thing when they by the time they get out of it. So because you're getting hit with all kinds of I don't even know what the liquids are, I have no idea what they are. So no. Well that was a bit salty. Yeah, uh better to not ask questions, just don't so but Guar was one of the reasons why I chose uh I wanted to go into the subject because they got in trouble recently with the conservative crowd, because one of the things that they've been doing on their on their recent tours is they've been staging these executions of Trump and Elon Musk on stage. Oh, I yeah, yeah, where they have somebody come out and like a character and then they kill them on the stage. Now, the the the MAGA crowd and the conservatives are all bent out of shape about this, and they're going, how can they do this? and blah blah blah. But what they don't realize is Guar's been doing this. This is not like it's not new just because of Trump. They did this all the other past presidents, too. Oh, so it's not something that's new, it's just that it's just now it's gotten a lot of attention because of the recent like conservative again, you know, uh uh you know attention they got on this, and guar's just kind of like me, you know, they don't give really really give a shit. But it's but it's interesting that they got some national coverage out of this, yeah. So so it's definitely helping their you know their their uh their PR bit. So sure, but but they're but they're also have been making political statements like that for a while, and it's part of what they do. But I don't know, I I like their shows, I think they're fun to watch, they're very cartoony, but they're also like one of those bands that you kind of go for the theatricality. Exactly. Music's don't get me wrong, music's great too, but they're definitely something you're anticipating, like I gotta see this show.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, and that their music is actually not bad.
SPEAKER_00No, it's really not, yeah.
SPEAKER_05And they're they're very good at playing it live with those hugely ridiculous costumes on. I don't know how they do that.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, and I've seen I've solved them live and they were tight, man. Yeah, and and I don't know how they can even see their freaking guitars with those big helmets and shit on. They're probably wet half the time from all the shit that's spraying up there. So between the wet and the costumes, everything else, man. Yeah, so you gotta, yeah, you gotta give it to those guys for really um, you know, for really being able to hang in there with all that shit.
SPEAKER_05So there's no way that anybody can make the case that they they need should be forced to stop the mock executions because it's you know, last time I checked, it's free country.
SPEAKER_00It's parody, so they can do it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's parody, right? Exactly, because that's that's the fine line. If they were trying to stage it like it was a real thing, then they can get in trouble for threatening the president. But the fact that it's all parody and and fucking look at them, you know what I mean? So it's not like they don't look like who's gonna take that seriously, exactly. I just would wish it would be great if they got sued and then show up in costume in court.
SPEAKER_05Oh, how amazing would that be? That would be like the fucking tip of gore 2.0, right?
SPEAKER_00Totally, 100%. Yeah, absolutely. Um, what was the most shocking thing you've ever seen at a show where you were kind of like, damn, I can't believe that just happened.
SPEAKER_05Oh actually, it was um we're watching body count play, and it back in Milwaukee, I don't remember what year, and my uh girl I was dating at the time and I was standing kind of about halfway back in the crowd, and that this the stage had over it um the lighting structure of the two towers, the two light towers, and then the beam, you know, the thing going across the top.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And somehow I th I find this, you know, we're going back like 30 fucking years, but if I remember correctly, there were people climbing on those towers, and so the towers started to tip back towards the crowd. Oh and a bunch of people rushed the the the two sides of the you know where it was coming gonna hit the fucking crowd. And Ice T and this this caused me to have so much fucking respect for him. He instantly launched into pep rally mode. They stopped the music and he was like, get your fucking backs into it, hold that and push it back up. That's it, you got it, push that thing back up. And uh they did. I, you know, there were I mean, there must have been like dozens of dozens of people pushing it back up shit, and so finally they they got one of the light gaffer people or whatever they call them to climb up to the top and actually connect it, you know, like tied up with rope to the ceiling so it wouldn't do that again. Whoa, but I looked at the group the girl I was with, I was like, I ain't never seen nothing like that before. You always watch people get fucking smushed.
SPEAKER_00I know that's crazy. Oh my god, that's awesome that he stopped in the middle and just is like, all right, we gotta fix this thing. So and then that's what they did.
SPEAKER_05He was very inspirational. I remember that. And I say, That that that guy's a good dude.
SPEAKER_00That's awesome. Wow, that's yeah, that's that's intense.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that's and if you think about it, that's how Curtis Mayfield got paralyzed. Oh, yeah, I forgot all about that. This was like 1998 or something, yeah, yeah. But I think that he got hit by uh like the lighting on stage and it paralyzed him.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Lived for a few more years and then uh that's right. I forgot all about that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, those kind of accidents can happen, so that would be shocking to witness live. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, well, the uh the only other thing I could think of is like it was actually at a Grateful Dead show, and the people who followed this podcast that are my friends, they've heard me say this story several times. It was the year in 1995 when there was a riot that broke out. It was the show at Deer Creek in Indianapolis, and there's a wooden fence that goes up around the the the back part of the the field. So uh you know the thing about dead shows, it's like most of most of the people are there to just do tailgating, uh hang out in the parking lot.
SPEAKER_00Do acid in the parking lot, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah. Um and so that was what we were doing that particular year because we couldn't get no tickets and walking around. And it's it's crazy because I was I was walking with a buddy of mine that uh had driven out from New York and we're what he's he's carrying a fucking loaf of bread and a thing of American cheese, and he's like, I gotta find someone that'll make me let me make a grilled cheese sandwich. And I'm like, man, where the fuck are you gonna make a grilled cheese sandwich at? We're at a Grateful Dead show. And all of a sudden he goes, Oh, look, that dude over there has got a toaster, and we go walking over to this dude, and the guy who owned the toaster was another friend of mine from a different part of New York, and I looked at him like, Josh? And he goes, William. So for the next 10, 15 minutes, we were laughing and making grilled cheese sandwiches. Why did he have a toaster? I he was making food and selling food. So, you know, my my buddy was like, you know, hey man, do you mind if I use that for like two minutes to make a sandwich? Sure, man, go ahead. It's pretty fun. So, like 10, 15 minutes later, we're standing there, and all of a sudden I hear I see people start running, like full speed running, and I start to hear people screaming, like, the fence is down, the fence is down. And I was like, what? And I could see off in the distance if like the the ground went up to like a hill, which you know, the the the whole stage area was surrounded by this kind of hill, maybe 25 feet tall or whatever. And so people were running up the side of this hill, and they had knocked down a huge portion of the fence. So that they could get into the the general admission area. Oh, wow. You know, with the the the the lawn.
SPEAKER_00The lawn yeah yeah yeah behind where all the seating was, right? Right, right.
SPEAKER_05And so I took off running. I'm gonna go fucking go in because I'm gonna fucking go in, right? So by the time I got up there, the cops started showing up. Oh and they started shooting tear gas at everybody and it was it got really nasty, man. It was bright I've ever been in. The only one I ever want to be in, you don't want to be in one of those fucking because there's no rules.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, right, right.
SPEAKER_05So uh, but I remember standing there and I lost track, I lost count of how many cop cars were turning into the parking lots from the main road after like 60. Holy shit. It was a veritable army of police that showed up for that. So I very quickly left that area. But yeah, that was probably the craziest thing. And that wasn't it, that wasn't a metal show at all.
SPEAKER_00That's not did they even play?
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah, they were in the middle of the concert.
SPEAKER_00Oh, they were in the middle of the concert. Okay, I just wasn't sure if they were even gotten to that part. Wow, Jesus Christ, that sounds nuts.
SPEAKER_05Holy shit. I guess people found like a weak spot in the fence and pushed it down. It's on YouTube if you if you Google uh Grateful Dead concert uh riot uh Indianapolis, uh Deer Deer Creek. I'm gonna look that up 1995. I think you know, yeah, there's several like old newscasts of it because we watched it about a year ago. Wow. I said, Oh man, I was there. That was fucking crazy.
SPEAKER_00That's nuts, man. Wow, that's wild. Um well mine is um My Crazy. Yeah, well, my craziest event, and I've seen like black metal bands like Mayhem perform with like severed pig's heads on stage and shit. Oh so I've seen stuff like that, but um no, the one that stands out is actually not a concert, it was a it was a music conference in Philadelphia. There's this uh music conference in Philly called the Philadelphia Music Conference, it was in the 90s. So, and I used to help uh work on that conference. I helped uh coordinate a little bit, I helped uh set up a heavy metal lunch, and I was involved as a volunteer and stuff like that. And anyway, I was attending this one event about it was actually about shock rock bands, so it was kind of like this event, kind of like about the talk topic of what we're talking about. And on the dais, they had some journalists, a dude from Spin, uh, there's a dude from uh I think Rolling Stone was there. So they had these different magazines that were up there, and then they had a couple bands, and among the bands was uh was Merle, the uh the uh uh brother of Gigi Allen from the Murder Junkies.
SPEAKER_01Interesting now.
SPEAKER_00At this point, Gigi was already dead, so this was just the murder junkies still traveling on as the murder junkies. Yeah, so they had this, they were talking to them, and Merle was sitting up there, and uh, I believe his guitarist or bass player somebody was up there with him, and they got into this sort of discussion well uh discussion debate, I guess, or fight is what I've devolved into with the with the spin guy, the spin magazine guy, and there's some you know, some disagreement about you know just the validity of what they were doing and whether it was real you know art or not, or whatever the hell it was. And they got in this whole big thing, and so uh basically what Merle did was at one point he stopped this sort of debate that they were doing. Him and the guitarist, uh the other guitarist that was there, they stood up and they signaled the the drummer who was in the audience to come up with them to the stage. Now the guitarist, or I'm sorry, the drummer walks up, he's wearing uh like sort of like a dog collar, and he's completely naked besides that. So he walks up to the stage, they they put him in front of the dais, they bend him over, and they shove a beer bottle up his ass. Damn. Then they pull the beer bottle out and they spray it in the crowd and they start drinking. Yeah, and then at that point, the crowd is clearing out, and chairs are starting to kind of get in motion. So yeah, so they're basically trying to decide a riot. That's so yeah, and everybody's like, Whoa, because you talked about these riots, and it felt like that no rules thing you were talking about because when the first flare first chair got thrown, everybody's kind of like, Okay, what's this happening? How far is this gonna go? Luckily, it kind of stopped right away. It sort of settled down pretty quickly after that because security was like right there, they kind of came in really quick, yeah. But they got this close to kind of like inciting a riot because they were I what I what I gathered that they were doing, it seemed like they were intentionally trying to like really you know enrage people, not only just with the debate that they were that they were kind of having, but then this demonstration that they had, and and they were kind of like it was like they were trying to pick a fight with everybody. So, and you know, and it got to that point where it was that close, and then you know, luckily it stopped after that. But then, you know, that was the end of that panel. Yeah, where were you in this all uh hubbub? Um uh it was in a conference room in a hotel in Philly, I don't remember which one. Um, and I was like uh the dais was here, and I was just to the left of it in like one of the first two rows, so I was like right up front. Oh shit. Oh yeah, I was like right there for it. So you got sprayed with the ass beer. Uh a little bit. So yeah, there was a little bit of I I remember ducking. Yeah, I remember something hitting me. So yeah, I think I got sprayed with the bigger.
SPEAKER_04Oh geez, and then when it hit you, you heard.
SPEAKER_00Uh but yeah, that was like uh that was that was shocking. So, you know, so that happened.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, uh I can't say that's on my list of to-dos.
SPEAKER_00Well, and then the other thing that came to mind was um, of course, when I worked in relapse and and nuclear blast in the 90s, there was that uh there was a window of time where there was a lot of controversy with black metal bands where uh like the guys in Burzum and that whole thing with Euronymous and all that thing, and then uh uh Count Griznak was burning down churches and shit like that. Um, what did you think of that? Did you think uh did you think they were really being trying to be real Satanists, or do you think they were just trying to do it for the attention? Uh like did they really do you think they really believed in what they were doing?
SPEAKER_05I I do feel that they uh believed very strongly in the messages that they were sending and how they felt about Christianity. That they wanted to destroy it, that they viewed it as a threat to you know the prosperity and peace of the world. And uh you can't really blame them that much. So I don't blame them. You know, if you if you build up a few symbolic acts and you burn a few churches in the process, you know, may maybe you will cause more than a few people to stop and think, like, oh, maybe it's this organized religion has flaws, you know. Maybe there are people that are on the fence about it that at least help them to think a little more critically about you know, uh, you know, we're not talking about we're not talking about faith. We're talking about the perils of brainwashing. Right. You know what I mean? So I think they were very much against and you know, it's it's a what do you call it? What's the word I'm thinking of? It's uh it's an institution of a society kind of allowed to operate unchecked. And you know, radical among us may even term bands like Burism as uh gatekeepers of uh, you know, what should be allowed as far as uh you know, unfettered, you know, just religious vomit. Yeah, yeah, brainwashing vomit because there's a lot of vulnerable people that get sucked into it. When I worked as a psych tech in a in a psych hospital, a lot of the patients that were in the hospital were fervently religious. One guy would w walk around, he would just carry a Bible around, he would just read it, and then he would read passages of it to you. And he wasn't like a religious person, but it just glommed onto his brain and kind of meshed really well with the schizophrenia to the point that that was a part of his new personality.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05I do believe that they they uh really strongly believed in it, and they've talked about wanting to destroy the you know the Christian church, the Catholic Church, and uh you know, after some of the atrocities that you've heard about, I don't know that how much I really blame them for doing that. But I do think that they recognized the theatrical value in doing that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, they definitely milked the press out of it. Well, I mean, when Mayhem, when uh dead killed himself, they used his for some of those bootlegs, they were using his suicide picture for the cover. Yeah, I mean stuff like that that you know that that they they did. So it's just like, yeah, it's it's kind of crazy that they that they would go to that level, but they did.
SPEAKER_05So I think I read that it was the band member that walked in before the police came.
SPEAKER_00It was, and he also, yeah, he took the picture, it was the guitarist, he took the picture. Uh the legend goes is that he also uh took a piece of his skull and you had it on a necklace. Oh yeah, and also that he supposedly fried up a piece of his brain and ate it. We talked about on that on Frank's on Frank's podcast. That's right, that's right. But yeah, that's now I don't I'm I'm thinking that part's horse shit, but who knows? But uh, but that thing with the skull is supposed to be real. So, but yeah, he took the picture and you know that's that's how it went. So yeah. Um I was actually kind of adjacent to that a little bit, not that event, but um, I had the opportunity to work with dissection and the guitarist, the main guy John, he went to prison for a while, and he went to prison because he was an accessory to murder. It was um a thing where another black metal dude that he knew had borrowed a gun of his and had gunned down uh a gay a gay person in Norway or wherever it was, or Sweden, this was in Sweden, and uh and then John was arrested as an accomplice, as a as an accessory to murder. So it was one of those things where they do carry that hatred over to uh other that they can carry that beyond the church and other you know areas too. So I don't know if John knew about what the intent of the guy with the gun was, but you know, I don't know if he was like how much he had to really do with that. Um, because I didn't I didn't think he was like quite that bad, but you know, you never know with these guys. So but you know they made a brilliant album, but it's still one of those things. They made they some made some amazing music. But at the same time though, when I learned of that, it was kind of hard to think about like trying to work with a band like that, because it's just like dealing with this guy is kind of like a he's he's not a murderer, but he's an accessory to it. I don't know where he stands and if he feels that way about gay people. I don't feel like I don't I don't I don't have a hate for gay people like that. So you know, so I don't want to deal with that kind of shit. So but but you know, it it kind of rubs off on you a little bit. Yeah, you kind of get caught in that in that kind of wave of it a little bit, you know.
SPEAKER_05Well, I mean I think out of a crowd of musicians, a couple of them are gonna have that uh uh talking about extreme metal musicians. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean it it attracts a certain personality type. Um makes it a lot it facilitates that melding of the person too, you know, that that lifestyle uh makes it a little bit more uh believable, yeah, easily attainable. Yeah, um you know, and that's yeah, that was the you know the whole part of the the satanic panic of the of the eighties.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05People worrying that you know the music was gonna turn people into mass murders and all that. But if you look at the like ratio or percentage of the number of people that actually went on to commit crimes and lead lives of crimes, it's not that high. No, it's not any higher than it is in the general population.
SPEAKER_00On average, yeah. No, no, it's not. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05I think there are more people into metal now than there ever were. Oh, I agree with that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05It's just that most of them are like underground because metal is not a popular uh format anymore.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_05But you have a lot more people that are into metal now than there were in the 80s. So I feel more comfortable making that statement that if you have 10,000 metal musicians and 20 of them are hardened criminals, I mean isn't that kind of like general society?
SPEAKER_00That's pretty probably pretty average, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_00All right. So uh anything else on the subject of shock and metal or no, I'm sufficiently shocked out. Thank you. Okay, so that moves us over into metal news. So I saw now this story kind of changed along the way, but Incantation has uh when they were touring here recently, they were asking fans to bring non-perishable food items to the shows.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Now, I heard initially that the reason they were doing that because they were bitching about the hospitality at the shows, like the green room where you know the bands get like food and stuff. They were saying that the quality was like really terrible and they just weren't getting fed well. They were giving them crap or something. They were giving them crap or whatever, and that was supposedly the reason. Now, that story came out. The reason came out, but then another article came out, and then John uh from uh Incantation said, No, that wasn't true. We were doing that to donate the movie to food banks. Okay, you know, I I'm kind of questioning was what were they originally doing for the bad hospitality? Then they shifted the narrative. Oh, I see what you're saying. You know what I'm saying? Like, like uh because the story changed, and I was wondering, well, did somebody just get the facts wrong? Or you know, like where did that thing come from about the bad hospitality then, right? So that's why I'm kind of like, meh, what happened with the little bit one of these? Yeah, that's boy.
SPEAKER_05That's really that's odd. I didn't experience that with that story because when I first read the story, both pieces were in that story.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_05So it didn't strike me as, oh, it started off as this and then it became this. Yeah. It was it it to me, it just sounded like, you know, um, there was an element of like I I'm not gonna use the term food scarcity in a green room environment. You know what I mean? But you know, if they fucking walked in there and all they were given was cheese and crackers, and then they had to go out and buy a bunch of food and then went, holy shit, look at we just spent $150 between the four of us just for you know tonight and tomorrow.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, right. This every night, right, right, yeah.
SPEAKER_05And that I'm thinking that probably spurred them on to think, you know, and you know, it's all over the news, yeah. The fucking inflation rate and and and food inflation, you know, people are having to make choices between you know buying medicine or eating, right? Putting the guts in the tank or paying their utilities, you know, uh it's it's hurting everybody right now. So I I I I'll put it out there this way. Even if that were to have been the case, I'm glad they settled on let's give food to food banks.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. Me too.
SPEAKER_05Food that's donated to us. You know, it's a real feel-good thing, and you know, you do you know, I I wouldn't put it past them to feel like you know, we want to try to do something.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, you know, yeah, they've been around for a long time, so they have the power to to uh uh encourage people to do certain things, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, absolutely. Well, yeah, I like that idea of the of the food banks for sure, but uh yeah, and and and I know and you know too from playing in bands, it's you know, sometimes you get treated like shit, and you know they don't have anything, so you know I think both kind of sides of that are pretty legitimate, actually. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, did you see that Eric Morati, the drummer for suffocation, yeah, has suddenly quit. Uh stating now, uh again, controversial stories here, a little bit on on the either side here. Um, but he's saying that he quit because uh supposedly that he's basically classifying the members of suffocation as being abusive drug addicts, is what he said. Yeah, he's now playing with Sangma Sugarbog as their drummer, he's on tour with them with Lam and God, and suffocation came out and said, No, the reason he was let go was because of his conflicts with Tori Sangma Sugabog for you know our Torium with suffocation. So that's what they're saying. So the truth I find usually falls in the middle somewhere. But did you ever hear of suffocation be drug addicts or anything?
SPEAKER_05No, no, I and I I know uh a couple of the guys in internal bleeding who are close to the guys in suffocation because of the proximity geographically on long. Um, and and I've seen uh I met Mike Smith once, who was the old drummer on like the first couple of albums, uh first few albums, and and uh you know he was a completely mellow, totally cool guy. They didn't I don't know, they just didn't come off that way.
SPEAKER_00I don't think so either, but you know, I mean you never know. I mean, what the hell? I mean, nobody knows what goes on behind the scenes except for the band members, but um it just seemed kind of extreme that he came out with that statement and was kind of like um big fuck you and but they were kind of they were being kind of chill about it, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, that doesn't really paint a really good picture in his defense. No, uh it could have been something as simple as maybe a couple of them like to, you know, puff on weed after band practice, yeah. Um, or you know, maybe maybe one of them's got a fucking vape pen that he's hitting, but shows up to practice, goes to work. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but I mean they seem like a tight band and they've always played well, so I haven't heard anything about where oh yeah, they were sucked, they suck because somebody was tripped out in heroin or something. So yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_05So for for guys like um what's his name? Uh the the bass player, Derek something.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_05I I can't remember off the top of my head, but him and the other guitar player, uh uh Terrence Hobbs. Um, if for them to be able oh, uh Derek Boyer is the bass player. Yeah, he's the guy that fucking plays.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he does that stand-up thing with the bass. I love that bass he's got, but he plays it like stand-up like this. He looks really menacing whenever he does it. I don't know. He's always like hunched over and he's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_05He looks like a little fucking like a troll under a bridge.
SPEAKER_00But he plays like a motherfucker, like he's he's a damn good bass player.
SPEAKER_05So I don't know. I don't yeah, I mean the riffs that they have, I don't know how you could be a drug user. Let me rephrase that. I don't know how you could be like a like died in the wool like addict, yeah. Uh and then be able to play those fucking riffs, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It seems like a stretch.
SPEAKER_05What they need to do is they need to bring Bike Mike Smith back now.
SPEAKER_00There you go. That was a good time. That was a good time. Yeah, I think they did bring a new drummer in now. They do have somebody because they had to get on, they were they were going on tour pretty quickly with uh I forget what tour they're on, but um, they were going tour something. And who did they bring back? Uh Colross? I don't know. I'd have to look that up. I forget who hold on, let me look it up real quick. Uh who is the suffocation? Uh drummer. So let's see what it says. Uh they brought back Doug Ball. Yeah, he quit. Uh let's see. Uh Ricky Myers? Don't know him. Don't know him. Yeah. He joined the yeah, no, he left. Yeah, he just joined. So yeah, so he's the new guy, I guess. So yeah. Yeah, I'm never I'm not familiar, so I don't know who he is. But yeah, it's Ricky Myers. Although a drummer for a death metal band probably should go by Rick, not Ricky. You know what I mean? Yeah. That doesn't sound very death metal y. Ricky.
SPEAKER_05It's like a Timmy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Like singer drummer song. Timmy is a little Timmy. It doesn't, that's not super metal. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_02Ricky fell down the well!
SPEAKER_00Alright, so um, I also saw that the pretty recklesses uh singer Taylor, uh Momson, uh recently I guess they were on tour, uh, she got bit by a spider and had to spend uh the night in the hospital because it was a poisonous spider. So where was this? I don't hold on, let me where was that? Um I forget where the spider bite. I forgot where that was. Yeah, let's see where what where did that happen? Uh I'm I think I thought it was somewhere like South America or oh yeah, Mexico. That's right. It's Mexico. That's right. Mexico City. Oh she got yeah, she got she got bit and oh yeah, that's right. It was a brown recluse. That's what she was in the hospital. Yeah, those things are nasty, man. So that your your skin rots from yeah, your skin dies from wherever that bite is, and then you and you never get that back. Like you that's per that damage is like permanent, like forever.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, we had a girl at my last job that had got bit by one of those.
SPEAKER_00No way.
SPEAKER_05She it was somewhere on one of her legs, and they had to keep doing surgeries to cut out all the all of the all the dead tissue. Uh yeah, the necrotic tissue, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Horrible. Yeah, well, that laid her up for a minute.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and you know, the the crazy thing about those spiders is like it doesn't affect everybody the same way. So you and I could get bit by brown recluses, and it's not guaranteed that we would get that. Yeah, not everybody has that same uh reaction necrotizing fasciitis reaction. Oh, no, um I didn't know you know, it's it all comes down to your biochemistry if it doesn't mesh well with the toxins. You're gonna have the problem. But some people can, yeah, it's not a given, is what I'm saying. And she unfortunately drew the short straw with that.
SPEAKER_00It sounds like. Yeah, no, she did. Yeah, she's uh she said the poisonous spiders when she was in Mexico City were no bueno. Yeah. All right. Um, any other music news? Anything else?
SPEAKER_05Not so much news, but I'll throw this out there. I saw a short video of David Lee Roth. Oh. Uh after we talked about him several episodes back.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05And he was he was talking about a million different things in the it was a it was a uh one of the shorts on YouTube.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_05And so those videos are only like a minute. And in that minute, he switched topics from one thing to the next thing to the next thing, and I'm like, I man, I I couldn't talk to somebody like that because he was all over the fucking map.
SPEAKER_00And what if he like out or something?
SPEAKER_05Uh yeah, it kind of had that weird feel like you were hanging around somebody that was real high.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And uh, you know, that I guess that must have been like that's just spillover from his you know front man days.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05But uh maybe that's the same process that told him it would be a good idea to put on the leather pants again. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Well, uh, did you did you see any live footage of him like playing?
SPEAKER_05No, no. But there was there was a clip uh that I came across where it showed that thing where he was he was playing the um the not the maracas, the the the tambourine. The tambourine, yeah. Yeah and uh it just it was the it was a black tambourine, you know. So it's a rock and roll tambourine. So but he was fucking that thing all up.
SPEAKER_00Well, as long as he attacks it with spirit, you know, that he's got the spirit to do it. All right, uh all right, that was it for Metal News, which means we're now on to the album review, which was your pick.
SPEAKER_05So tell us all about it. So we this is connected to the shirt. It's we're not talking about an apom death shirt, right? But what we are talking about is the campaign for musical destruction tour in 1992, which oh nice, right? So I was there, but unfortunately, because I was the typical lazy ass 19-year-old, we missed the fucking train to take us into New York City in time for the start of the show. Uh the bill was Brutal Truth, Cathedral, Carcass, and Napalm Death.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, that's a hell of a show.
SPEAKER_05Unfucking believable, right? Who did you miss? We missed Brutal Truth and Cathedral. Oh shit, that sucks. I I am mad to this fucking day. And it was only it's my own damn fault. Uh so um I ended up getting into cathedral uh about right after that. Uh it was kind of like I was into napalm, and I didn't I didn't realize that Lee Dorian had been the old napalm singer. And then once I learned that, and it segued right into, and by the way, he's in this new band now. Um and so that's how I kind of started listening to him.
SPEAKER_01Okay, gotcha.
SPEAKER_05And um I I don't know what I was expecting, but um, so anyway, the long and the short of it is that we're we're talking about the Ethereal Mirror, which is Cathedral's second full-length album out of a 10 album run that they had before they broke up until uh what was it, 2013 or something?
SPEAKER_00Something like that, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Um, but they had a long career and their music changed pretty pretty radically over the course of their career. And the Ethereal Mirror catches them at the beginning of their incorporation of more rock and and metal into the songwriting. Because if you listen to the the first album, it's fucking brutal.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And it sounds really raw and and uh not exactly lo-fi, but you it's almost sounds kind of like a demo in some ways, yeah. Yeah, uh, but the riffs are tremendously heavy and the vocals are are just like brutal as fuck. But that's not the first album that I heard. I heard the Ethereal Mirror first.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I see. Oh wow, that must have been a jolt when you heard the other stuff then.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, because I so different. Yeah, uh that the first album made a lot more sense to me that that was Lee Dorian.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05But the Ethereal Mirror, I'm like, what the hell happened to the vocals? You know, that was my first song. Um in the ensuing 30 years, I have grown to like the vocals because they they they got better. Um even after the Ethereal Mirror, um, when they did um what is it called? Bizarre something. I can't remember the name of the board.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. I know which album, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Uh yeah, I can't remember the for far the fo no Forest of Equilibrium. Is that what it was called? The the third album? I don't remember. I don't remember. Um on that album, he you could there's an even further improvement in the vocals, uh, to where it actually sounds like like kind of like groovy singing almost. You know, but the Ethereal Mirror, in the beginning, I was turned off by it because it was just like almost he was almost trying to find his place as a as a vocalist. Right, right, right, right. Right, all of his vocals are like eh, it's a little awkward, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's almost yeah, it's it's if you like Bob Dylan, you'll like his vocals. Yeah, that's a great right, yes. Well, because it's such a like Dylan's such an acquired taste as far as people that like his singing, I can't stand it. Like it just I can't do it, like I can't do it. But uh so I I so he's a very acquired taste, but that's the same thing I thought about Lee Dorian too with this album that he's very it's like you know, yeah, it's like he's trying to find where he's supposed to be within the vocal pitch range.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that's not really a I I don't want to call it a complaint, but it's probably the the the the biggest strike against the album that I have.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but it's you know what though it's kind of like you said, if you listen to it a few times, the vocals do work within the construct of what they're doing. That's right. He's not Bruce Dickinson, but that doesn't mean that the vocals don't fit for like the the approach that they're taking with it. I thought it worked. I mean, yeah, not the best singer in the world, but that doesn't mean it's not it doesn't it's not appropriate for the presentation that they're making. So I thought, you know, I thought it made sense.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it does work with the music, and fortunately the riffs are so fucking amazing.
SPEAKER_00Oh monster, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I mean, and the the production between the first album and this one is like night and day. Oh, yeah, big, wide, expansive drums, yeah. Uh the guitar tone is in 100% improved. Yeah, it's very oh, you know, the note definition is is is just fantastic on it. So um, yeah, I mean it's just it's a very groovy album, and it's funny to think about how that was one of the first like stoner doom right, yeah, album totally, yeah. You know what I mean? Like because that the this is the album where you can really hear the Sabbath, big time, yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know, absolutely. Yeah, I have my have in my notes here uh what a blues band would sound like if they were signed to Earache, yeah, right, and at that point they were on Columbia of all labels. Oh, is they were they on Columbia for that album? Yeah, I didn't realize that. I thought they were still on Earache. No shit, they were in Columbia for that. I'll be damned, huh?
SPEAKER_05Yep, okay, and then right after this album, which is like a fantastic like Columbia should have been like, Okay, we're giving these guys three more records.
SPEAKER_00Oh, they didn't know what to do with them.
SPEAKER_05They fucking dropped them, yeah.
SPEAKER_00They didn't know what the hell to do with them. Yeah, so not not surprising. Yeah, the major well, the major labels always tried to jump onto bands like that, and then they they didn't know how to market them, they didn't know how to work with them. Same thing happened with Morbid Angel, they were trying to make them metallic. Oh, that's right, you know, that's right, yeah. And then and they you know, they it just death metal doesn't land the same way. Uh, but yeah, going back to the my notes here. I also wrote down dirty, nasty, sludgy riffs. Oh right, that totally fits. Yep, yeah. One of the more fun and dare I say uplifting dude bands in a way, yeah. Actually, they're not like uh they're not like sleep, where it's just like heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, or yab, you know, they're like that too, right? These guys are like there's like there's peaks and valleys, and his voice kind of takes it to different places with the way he sings. And now there's the riffs are always there and heavy, but they also have that sort of upbeat bluesy vibe to them sometimes. Yes, yes, you know what I mean. Well, but was it Misty Mountain? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, so well, and you said Sabbath void vibes, and I wrote down uh two songs that have that, or one song that has that is Fountain of Innocence, it's totally into the void. Oh shit. I didn't even pick up on that, but right? If you listen to Fountain of Innocence, listen into the void. I'm writing that note down. Yeah, take a look, take a listen. See what you think about that. And yeah, I wrote down Lee Lee Dorian's distinctive vocal style. Um not an amazing technical singer, but an undeniably unique voice. So in other words, when you hear him, you know it's him. You totally, right? So and also like the this was unexpected, the acoustic guitar in Imprison and Flesh. Yeah, like where the hell did that come from? Very sad, beautiful use of 12 string. Yeah, I thought that was really, you know, that was one of those things that was kind of unexpected. I thought that was really cool.
SPEAKER_05Yep. And it balances the album really well, too. Totally, yeah. Well, it doesn't sound out of place.
SPEAKER_00No, it's a nice way to close it. It is, yeah, exactly. So yeah, that's what I thought too.
SPEAKER_05I like uh on Ride, we're talking about Sabbath, a filthy motherfucking song.
SPEAKER_00I think that was the song that inspired me to write down dirty, nasty, sludgy riffs.
SPEAKER_05It has to be.
SPEAKER_00That was the same song.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. But holy shit, the the the the tail end of that riff. Oh, I remember now. It's uh okay. It's the riff where you know the the real heavy one was like dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun it. I fucking love that. Because the second time he does it, he doesn't do the he does it in octave below, down real down and fucking low on the network.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I love that. Yeah, that is bad.
SPEAKER_05I mean, how many times am I going to say Black Sabbath in one review? It's like Black Sabbath rifts on acid.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Uh to the worms. And with a much larger weed budget.
SPEAKER_05Much.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05What was that last part? What was it? Uh the song after that, Ed to the worms. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have uh this is Death Metal doing the tango with Black Sabbath, Ultimate Blues Rock Guitar Jam. The Valhalla of guitar tone. Oh, good description. And uh almost a precursor/slash associate of Monster Magnet. Oh, yes, yes, I mean to think of.
SPEAKER_00Yes, that's a great, yes. I wonder if they listen, I wonder if they were inspired by Monster Magnet was inspired by them. I could hear that. I could totally hear that. Yeah, yeah, I never thought about that, but there is a lot of parallels though between those two. That's interesting. Yeah, guitar stuff, yeah, especially. Oh, that's really interesting. Huh, I'll be down. I'll have to go back and listen to that again. Um, but yeah, no, that was a good, that was a good, uh, nice choice there, man. That was that took me back when I saw it was like, oh, when you said that was like classic.
SPEAKER_05So I've been I've listened to it you know multiple times in the last week, and it's funny because it's now at the point in my life where it keeps getting better every time I listen to it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I've had albums like that too. Yeah, I can go back and preach them on a sort of a higher level for sure. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05And as a plus, look at this, kids.
SPEAKER_00Um this is called the CD. That's a C compact disc. Wow. And you'll notice seven bucks. Something like that, yeah. Yeah, $7.99. There it is. Okay, I can see it now. Awesome. Wow.
SPEAKER_05So when I was listening to it on YouTube, the um, because I didn't have the CD down here. Uh one of the comments was uh talking about the artwork and how how weird this cover was.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's trippy, totally trippy.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and someone responded saying, dude, did you even open it up? It gets even crazier when you open it. Yeah, this is the beauty of physical media, right, boys and girls. Watch this motherfucking shit. Watch this. Look at what this turns into, and you really get money's worth.
SPEAKER_00Wicked. That's rad, man. Nice. That is some crazy ass artwork. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. I love it. That's fucking awesome, man. Yeah, that's rad. That's awesome. What's the what's the back cover? What's it look like with the lyrics?
SPEAKER_05The back is just the it's it's it's oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay, and these are the I remember that. I remember that. Okay, I forgot about that. How they used to have that scene. You're like, who's gonna read this?
SPEAKER_05You know what they wanted you to do when you were listening? You wanted they wanted you to be like drooling on yourself and shit from the popcorn.
SPEAKER_00Obviously, that was definitely the point of that. All right, great, great album choice. Anything else to say about Cathedral, the Ethereal Mirror?
SPEAKER_05I think Lee Dorian is now has a record store or something, a musical store. Is that right?
SPEAKER_00Huh. I think so. Okay, I would go in England somewhere. I would definitely go check that out. Yeah, yep. Um, all right, so we're on to the mystery band. So you challenged me last time, I want to say, with the vapors. I was very uh excited to go back and listen to them. They were a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah. Uh great punk band, great energy. I see what you mean about like listening to them while you're driving. I could totally see, I could totally hear that. Um yeah, and I just thought it was fun and fresh, and they definitely sound they sound of a time. There's definitely a dated sound to their yes, to their to their, you know, there's a very specific window that they fit in. But the songs I felt were still like they still held up, like they're still fun to listen to. Um, Turning Japanese, I thought it was a cool song, but there's better songs, there's much better songs that they have to listen to. Yeah, so yeah, just and they were and I was surprised to find out how many albums and stuff that they had. So they have a little bit of history there, so yeah. So check out the vapors again, just a reminder from the last episode. Uh, all right, but then this time I'm gonna let's see if I can stump you. Um, I picked a space rock band this time. So yeah, they stopped uh in about 2018, is when they ended, and their band called Far Flung. Oh shit, I never heard of them. Oh, I gotcha. Yay! I was hoping I got you on this one. Okay, yeah. The album is called A Wound in Eternity. Okay, so the band is called Far Flung, all one word. Yeah, and again, the album is let me just double check that. I believe it's a wound in eternity. I just want to make sure I have that right. I believe that's the name. And uh yeah, um, big spacey riffs. Um, anybody who like who's ever listened to like Hawkwind and stuff would would like these guys, uh, you know, stuff like that. So like going back to kind of spacey early Pink Floyd, that kind of stuff. Oh, really? Yeah, big sweeping kind of like, but but more of a contemporary kind of like heavier sound for sure. No shit. Uh yeah, and they just never I don't I don't think they gained a lot of traction, unfortunately, because you know, like you know, a lot of people don't know about them. Um I'm not I can't even remember. Oh, I think I found them because they were on a soundtrack for something because I listen, I do a lot of I find a lot of bands on soundtracks and stuff that I like. And I believe, I believe they were one of the um one of my soundtrack bands, if I'm not mistaken. But it was one of those things where um, you know, their albums are just kind of they sort of flew under the radar, and a lot of people just have never heard of them. But you know, I really like them because they're just like the you'll they'll you'll have to listen to and just see what you think. But uh hang on a second, I'm just kind of verifying this uh this uh the the name of this album real quick. But yeah, it's one of those things where, you know, um uh just very much an appreciated band, great musicians, great songwriters, you know, the whole thing. So when you get a chance, far flung. All one word.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, the title is A Wound, like Flesh Wound.
SPEAKER_00A wounded, yeah. So let me just verify that. But uh I think it's called A Wound in Eternity. Hold on, let me just double check that real quick. Yeah, they had a number of albums here, but that was the one I kind of latched on to. Yeah, because they have they they started in 1995. Um they released about one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight or nine albums. Yeah, Wounded Eternity. It came out in 2008, and their last album was about 2018. So where are they from? Uh England, I believe, if I'm not mistaken. Were they uh founded uh blah blah blah? So I'm just checking so like the thing is they don't really have any like um like uh uh websites and stuff that you kind of find them through fan websites and shit. So they're it's kind of hard to find information about them. But I believe they're a British band. Let me just double check that I might be wrong about that, but I think they're from England. Why doesn't it say that here? Da-da-da, blah blah blah. Shit. Yeah, I think so. I'll I'll I'll double check that. If I'm wrong, I'll correct it here in the episode later. Um, but yeah, so check out a wound in eternity. I want to see what you're doing. Okay, sounds good. Yeah, I think you're gonna like that. Um, all right. So, oh no, I'm sorry, they're from Los Angeles, California. Sorry. Ah yeah, I don't know where I got England from. I think, yeah, but yeah, they're from Lost from LA. Okay. All right. Okay, so far flung, a wound in eternity. That's your homework. All right. All right. Um now, live shows. Let's talk about it. Um now you want to see now. Um I correct me, correct me on their name. Is it sun or is it sun o? Because they always have this like O after it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. I don't know uh what the purpose of the O is. You know the tickets just say Sun.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so I'm just gonna go with Sun. So you went to see Sun. Tell us all about it.
SPEAKER_05Yep. Um that we went to see them in down in DC a couple weeks ago in a theater, a few thousand people. So Sun is this crazy band, and I forget where they're from, actually, but it's just two dudes on uh guitars. That's it. Okay. And they basically it's it's basically ambient guitar distortion noise.
SPEAKER_00Is there any vocals at all or just strictly instrumental?
SPEAKER_05No vocals at all. It's them dressed up in these ancient monks with the fucking hoods and um they come out on stage and they got smoke machines and they're surrounded by I think we counted each guy had seven or eight amp stacks. Whoa. And you know, I don't know. I I I turned to my friend and I was like, I don't think this is that typical thing, like when they have a wall of marshalls and only one of them is plugged in and the rest of them are all hollow boxes.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05I said, I don't think that's happening here because this thing was so fucking loud. I've seen them before, right? And I kind of I think it was like 2008, 2009 when I seen them. And I remember them being so loud that they were handing out ear protection.
SPEAKER_00You talked about that, yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_05They didn't hand out any ear protection this time, so if you didn't bring any, you were SOL. Oh. And uh, but we had some. Um it's it's really it's a very strange show and uh This time they opened with this weird audio track that was playing. Um and it made my friend think that there was an opening act. He's like, shit, I guess there was supposed to be an opener. And I'm like, no, I don't think so. And it was just audio playing. And you know what it was? It was the this this thing, I forgot the the actual name of the tape, but it's a recording of a venom show from back in the 80s. And it's a show that took place at uh in Trenton in Trenton, New Jersey, called uh uh Trenton Gardens, which was a very, very famous punk venue that I never made it to. Um so apparently there was a Venom show there back in the 80s, and somebody took the full audio of the show and cut out all the music and strung together sections of Kronos' uh banter with with the crowd, with the other people in the band. Yeah, and it was just like everybody, do you want to go rock? Do you want to rock all the way to hell? You know, then you would hear and then before you know the guitars cut in, um they would uh switch to the next audio segment. Oh, weird, okay. And it lasted for like 10 minutes or so, and it was just like, what the hell are we sitting here listening to that was that that went on that long? Ten minutes. Because like I said, somebody thought it would be fun to string all these things together, and it's actually a um kind of well-known, very Kvault uh level uh, you know, if you if you're a true Venom fan, you know that this tape exists.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Where it's just his talking to the audience about evil shit and you know, drum, you know, different roles that he does to lead into songs or when the songs end, and it you know, it's like the space between the music.
SPEAKER_01Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_05Someone made this into its own recording, and that's what they played for the fucking intro. And I didn't know what it was. Oh my god. My uh my friend had a he recorded it with his phone, uh, and like used whatever the app is called to figure out what something is.
SPEAKER_00Oh, Shazam or something, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and and then said this is the very famous underground recording of blah blah blah. And he's like, dude, check this out. This is what we're listening to. I'm like, I don't know what this is, I've never heard of it. Oh my god, that's nuts. It was crazy. Started it. That's why. And uh so then that ended finally. Lights came down, and these two guys walk out on stage in the robes, and everybody's who and then it got fucking deathly silent. They put the guitars on, you could hear the hum after they, you know, turned on all the amps, and we're sitting there, and they both turned and faced the audience. You can't see their faces, right? Yeah, and they're just sitting there with the guitars, and all you hear is me. And then each one of them goes like this. And there's just imagine, and it's on it's on YouTube the show. If you Google Sun Washington DC from last week, and and for like 20 seconds, they're just standing there like this, and you could hear a fucking pin drop. It well, if the amps weren't humming, but and then they just went and you could feel it in your ass bone, man. Oh my god. And uh it was like having a visit to the fucking protocol uh proctologist, man. It was it really it touched you in that fucking special place. How long did they play? Oh, it was about 45 minutes, maybe to an hour.
SPEAKER_0045 minutes of just like straight droning punishment and that's it.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um, I think there was a couple of there was a couple of sections where they kind of stopped and then in a um had the synchronized part where they went boom boom, you know, it but otherwise it was just and the feedback, dude, the fucking guitar feedback, the amp feedback was just ungodly. The the shrill just and they would they would shape it so that they would walk up to the amp, they would walk in different spots. One guy would take his guitar and put it on, he held it on top of the fucking amp, pointed up towards the ceiling for like two minutes, just and you could feel you know, like when you're listening to a real loud sound and and it has like a vibration to it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05This vibration very, very slowly would slow down and speed up.
SPEAKER_02So it'd be like one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, you just like fucking and I closed my I had my eyes closed for part of it because I was just fucking feeling the the vibe, you know?
SPEAKER_05And it was it was insane. It was uh they were they're very good at what they do, and they have albums out.
SPEAKER_00Is there any banter? Like, do they talk to the audience or is it just like sound the whole time? Just sound nothing, just sound.
SPEAKER_05They don't they don't say hi, bye, thank you for coming.
SPEAKER_00They just come out, do their thing, and leave. That's it.
SPEAKER_05They came out when one guy went like this to us. That's it. Yeah. Uh I guess that's thanks for coming, you know. Okay. How big of a venue was this? Uh, it was the oh shit. I don't remember what theater in DC it was, but it was like a couple thousand people. No shit. Did they was it filled? Was it filled? Pretty much. No shit, really. They kind of I don't think it wasn't sold out, but okay, but still that's I'm impressed that they sell that many tickets.
SPEAKER_0080%. Well, if they do that's that's crazy that it's that that they have that big of a following.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it's a real it's a real niche.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because it's such a niche. I mean, they're basically doing they did they do any leads, or is it just like uh chords? It's it's chord feedback.
SPEAKER_05It's it's chords, it's single notes. Okay, um weird chord voicings, basically. Oh, okay, and you know, then they'll spend time, they'll like hit the guitar a little bit, okay, they get feedback more, right? Um, and it's a crazy amount of smoke is coming out on the stage, and they're just enveloped and you know, shrouded by the all this smoke. It's very mysterious, and then the the crazy light show. Uh, you know, it's very, very enjoyable. Wow, cool. And you know, and it was a it was a a a sit-down show where we were not standing there.
SPEAKER_00Oh, so everybody's sitting and so the whole crowd was like that. There's nobody. Oh, yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah, good time. Very cool. So keep an eye out for sun if you get a chance to see them live. Now their tour will be over by the time this you know happens, but uh keep an eye out for them for future shows. Uh I had the pleasure, of course, of going to check out Bleed from Within at the Hawthorne Theater last night and here in Portland. Uh they had three openers, uh Silos Silosis, Great American Ghost, and uh this band called Lifecycle. Um, I didn't see the first two, um, but but I caught uh Silosis and also, of course, uh Bleed from Within. Um yeah, amazing. If you get a chance to see them, go see them. Um like just fantastic band, super tight. They've been around for 22 years, which I didn't know. Um the singer, really interesting guy, uh a cool frontman, too. Lots of great energy, just great singer live, and just you know, great energies was ever when it was in everybody's face. He was crowd surfing at the end of the show, and oh wow, so yeah, yeah, he was it was a lot of fun. Um, I had my own experiences there where I was I was right up front for for believe it from within, and I'm standing there for a while and just enjoying myself, and all of a sudden, I'm standing there, and all of a sudden I get pulled back like this, and I'm like, What the fuck? So uh I was standing there right on the edge of the pit, and I guess these girls got knocked out of the pit and and they're drunk, and they were flying out of the pit, and instead of falling, they grabbed me. So they just I don't think they even knew what they grabbed, they just kind of grabbed my jacket and they pulled me down like this, and I was like, Whoa, like that. And then what the hell? And then I realized what was going on, and then as soon as they turn around, the the lead drunk girl she goes, You got me, right? You got me, and I was like, Sure, I got sure, I gotcha. Whatever you say, you're fine. Yeah, whatever you mean, and then they they spent about a good five minutes just kind of like grabbing my like my shoulder, just I think they were just trying to stay up like vertical, so that's all they were trying to do, and then they eventually wandered off, and then I was okay after that. But uh, so it's just one of those moments where you know they were molested. I got accustomed there for a minute, yeah. Um, but but it was interesting because the band was really cool. Believe it from within, they've been, like I said, 22 years, they're from Scotland. Um, they've been this is their first headlining tour, and they were just super so grateful that people were there and they knew the words, and it was packed, and they had a good show. And so yeah, the only thing I was disappointed by, uh, not in the band, but uh just just in something that they normally that when they're headlining, uh like I think in Europe and stuff, they have a couple more like backup singers, and they also have bagpipes, they come out and play bagpipes. And some of the songs have bagpipes in it. I was I was just like waiting for the bagpipes and no bagpipes, so that it's more of a strip down just the five of them, and that's it. But but uh if you get a chance, man, they shred, man. They're so good live.
SPEAKER_01Man, I don't know any of that stuff.
SPEAKER_00Oh, they're they're gonna be probably one of the bands I'll want to review for the future. So if you want a good suggestion, check it, check out either Zenith, which is their uh the album they're trying on right now, only the singer called it Zenith, but I guess he's gonna because he's from Europe. But uh but uh like look at that album, or also another one called Fracture. Because they've got a whole bunch of they've got a catalog out. Uh but Fracture is really good too. That's like an just an excellent album. But Zenith is amazing, just so good. So get a chance, go check them out.
SPEAKER_05What kind of uh what do they sound like?
SPEAKER_00They're in the if I had to put them in the neighborhood, I would put them in the same neighborhood as In Flames and uh Unearth. Okay, yeah, same, especially very unearthy. So yeah, I put them in the same that would be a hell of a tour, actually. That's good metal, yeah. But very good metal, yeah. So but they're but think think like unearth or in flames. Okay, yeah, yeah. Um uh oh, and and one note about them the drummer was pulling double duty because he's also the drummer in Silosis, so he played a 40-minute opening set, and then he went to the headlining set for another hour and a half. Wow, oh my god, in insane shape, dude. Is like well, uh well, the singer was saying, Hey, and he kind of mentioned this, and they he's always out exercising, goes jogging and stuff like that because he's trying to stay in shape. He's been doing that for five weeks, man. Five weeks, they're not done yet. They've got uh they've got like I think until May or something till till they finish out this tour. Wow, but but yeah, that dude's like he's a machine, and he was like spot on, like they were just didn't miss a beat, man. Amazing even did a fucking drum solo. I'm like, you know how much more are you gonna get out of this guy? So it's just like then he did his solo, it's just like so. Yeah, he's a dude's a machine, so really good drummer. All right, so uh other news here in terms of other tours that are going on. Now, again, these will be kind of like happening or out by the time we talk about this, but hopefully you can see these bands. Um, baby metal is headlining on a tour with hailstorm opening, so that's happening, and then there's this big uh what's called Ripple Fest, which is like a stoner rock, uh Doom Rock kind of uh festival, and that's happening in Austin, Texas in September. And uh Yab, Dope Throne, Chemist, and Greenleaf are all among the bands that are playing that. So that's gonna be a big that whole thing is gonna smell like weed for like a 10-mile radius.
SPEAKER_04So that's gonna be like that fucking soft park episode where they were making fun of the the the jam band festival.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. 100%. Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_04And it was like infuriating to Cartman, and he wanted to kill them all. Well, yeah, and he brought they brought in Slayer to break it up. That's right.
SPEAKER_00To quote them, hippies hate death metal.
SPEAKER_03Yes, that's right.
SPEAKER_00That's fun.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's close enough.
SPEAKER_00So but they're yeah, that was hysterical, but yeah, it's like that. So only with like you know, stoner bands. So nice, yeah, in Austin. Uh, that should be fun. That should that's gonna be a that should be a good show. Um, twisted sister have announced their first dates with Sebastian Bach this September and October. Okay. Will you go see that? Would you go see that?
SPEAKER_05Uh I don't know. I mean, if it was convenient, maybe I'd think about it. I'm not a big Twisted Sister fan. I wasn't a big Skid Row fan.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, same here.
SPEAKER_05Um, but uh you know, if I if I knew somebody who was going, yeah, and it was just over in you know, over the river in Philly somewhere, then I'd be like, all right, fine, I'll just go and I'll watch.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, curious, yeah, yeah, curiosity. Yeah, I actually do like the first two or three Twisted Sister albums. Like, you know, you can't stop Rock and Roll is a really good album. So there's some good albums in there. I'm just kind of curious what I keep trying to imagine what he sounds like with their music. Like trying to go, I'm not gonna take it and stuff like that. I mean, you know, it's gonna be, I don't know, it's gonna be hard to fill the shoes of D Snyder.
SPEAKER_05I mean, he also he was on Broadway. Who he was an actor on Broadway, Sebastian Bach. Was he really? I didn't know that. Uh well on Broadway, either Broadway or an off-Broadway production. I don't remember which, but he was in some kind of production like that. Oh shit.
SPEAKER_00I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_05No, in part because of his amazing vocals.
SPEAKER_00He can sing, no doubt. So yeah, I'm just kind of curious how how he fits into the and his voice fits into that musical mold, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, uh I'm sure we'll see plenty of video for it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and then I saw that Dimmerborger is uh playing a limited run in the US. I'm very pissed because they're not coming here, but this is gonna be a hell of a show, man. Dimmerborger, hypocrisy, who doesn't come here that often, and I'm a huge fan of them, suffocation, yeah, and Halder in August. That's gonna be dude. That's an amazing run.
SPEAKER_05And it's still Peter Tackrin, right?
SPEAKER_00With hypocrisy, it totally is, yeah. Oh, yeah, it's Peter, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that's he is hypocrisy.
SPEAKER_00Uh, pretty much, yeah. I follow him on on uh like Instagram stuff. I used to work with them, so it just like yeah, I love that band. Huge fan of hypocrisy. Yeah, but they never tour here though. So that I'm pissed because they're not gonna come here. I they might be, I'm thinking they're gonna they're gonna hit your area though, New York or something.
SPEAKER_05I'll have to look it up. You should look that up, yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's gonna be an awesome show. Yep, it's gonna be a hell of a show. Uh also Dimma Borger uh set up this thing in October. I think it's around Halloween they're doing this. They're doing this big thing in Norway. They're calling it like this sort of like this major like Super Bowl event, like level style event in Norway for the black metal bands. Yeah, it's Dimaborger, Enslaved, and uh who else is the other band? Enslaved and shit. Um is it immortal? It's something. Let me see. What is that? No, it's not immortal. Is it Emperor's? It's not this member, is it? No, it's not this member. I love this member. No, um it's I forget who else is is doing that. Oh, it's uh Yeah, they're also touring with Behemoth and Dark Funeral, so they're doing a European thing there for that. But then they're doing this big show for October. Uh and they're they're they're making it like this really major event in Norway. So oh yeah, uh, hold on, where the hell is it? Um give me a second. Oh, there it is. Yeah, they're calling it the Unholy Halloween. It's uh it's at this big stadium in like Norway. Wow, yeah, and it's gonna be this really major event. Damn it. Of course, now it doesn't say who's all who's on it. Um yeah, sorry about that, but it's a yeah, I forget what the what the what the lineup is. Damn it.
SPEAKER_05Man, they got some true fans over there. Big home, yeah, home country.
SPEAKER_00Oh, huge, yeah. They're huge. Well, they're huge in Europe too. In stand hall, so they're there, they're they're well. They're playing like um when they're torn, they're doing like the London O2 uh stadium and stuff. They're they're big places. Yeah, it's a huge stadium in Europe, man. And in New Zealand, yeah, it's actually Dimmelborger, Satiricon, and Inslaved. That was the other one. Yeah, Satiricon was the other band. So yeah, they're doing that big show in Norway, and it's like it's being built as it's like because there's like a triple headliner. So with all three.
SPEAKER_04That's gonna be a huge deal.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that's gonna be a monster deal. Yeah, that's uh they're kind of stating it as like the biggest black metal sort of band ever put together, so or event ever put together. So, which yeah, so they'll fill a lot of seats with that. They will. They're good live. I've seen them. I've actually well, I used to work with them too. Um, a little ego there, but so but aside from that. Well, when we were working with them, uh they were touring in the US, and I was working for nuclear blast at the time. This back in 2001 or something, and um uh the the the office was in Philly. So when I went when I was working for for nuclear blast, and um we had this thing where the singer wanted to get leather pants, and we were like, Okay, South Street, yeah, we're yeah, exactly. It was a South Street, and he's like, No, I want to go to New York by to buy to buy leather pants, and we're like, No, you don't need to go to New York to buy the pants, you can just get them in South Street. He was giving us all this shit about it, and we're like, Look, dude, you it's an hour and a half away, you got to show in two hours. This is not happening, so yeah, no, so we had to like you know, spank him a little bit and put him in his place. Oh, for Pete's sake, yeah, they act like rock stars because they're well, because they were used to in Europe being treated like rock stars because they are rock stars there, but then they come over here and they're doing clubs, yeah. So they don't have that same level of like you know, of like uh pull and influence that where they can kind of just ask for and get whatever the hell they want. So you know, so I always treated bands whenever I was in charge of them. I always treated them like anybody else, man. I did not treat them like rock stars, I treated them like people, and if that's right, babies, I treated them like babies, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So he was one of the guys who were like, no, you can't go to New York. We'll go to South Street, get your pants, but no, you can't go to New York.
SPEAKER_04The math ain't mathing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's just so funny how sometimes these guys, and we have an upcoming episode where we're gonna talk about riders. So yeah, so I have that planned as one of the up as one of the episode topics, like talking about band writers and how they get a little outrageous. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. So fun, fun stuff there. Cool. All right. So, did you have any other news as far as live events or anything else?
SPEAKER_05No, okay. No, I got the Triumph concert coming up, but by the time this episode airs, when is that? May 20 something, dude.
SPEAKER_00You gotta talk about that when it happens. Oh, definitely. Oh, I can't wait to hear about that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I just hope that Mike Levine shows up the bass player that's supposedly in ill health. Oh no, I thought he was I thought he was with touring with them.
SPEAKER_00They have a replacement for him. I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, for for a lot of the shows. I think they said he was gonna try to make some of the shows. Oh, is that right? I didn't know, but it's basically like, and it's several people, it's not just oh I know it.
SPEAKER_00I I know they have a band band kind of supporting them, so yeah, besides Ring Rick Emmett and the drummer.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, so yeah, they have Phil X on on the guitar. Okay. So like you know, he's he's actually like basically playing backup guitar to Rick.
SPEAKER_00Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and then they have uh some dude playing guitar, I don't know who it is. Who's playing bass? Guitar uh bass. Yeah, who oh you don't know who it is, okay if I can find a triumph for 2026. Let's see. Schedule tickets opening act of set list uh members. Now I'm now I'm curious. It's uh Brent Fitz, Todd Kearns, and Phil X will all be a part of the Triumph Tour lineup.
SPEAKER_00That name I do know. Brent Fitz, I do know. I forget who he played with though.
SPEAKER_05So it'll be well there's also a second drummer. One of them is a drummer.
SPEAKER_00Is that right? They're doing two drummers now. I'll be damned.
SPEAKER_05Okay. So it'll be like this, they're gonna do like switching back and forth between Gil Moore and the other drummer. There might be something where there's they're both playing like you know, you used to have at the fucking dead show or some yeah, yeah, gotcha.
SPEAKER_00But uh is there an is there an opener? Is there another band playing with them? Uh April Wine? No shit. April wine's opening. Awesome. I don't know anything about them. What you don't know April Wine? If you watched MTV in the 80s, you would know April Wine. Uh you would think so. Look them up. No, look them up. The minute you maybe I do, and it's you're gonna be like, Oh, I totally know all their shit. I'm telling you, you'll know them because they were all over MTV uh at around the 80s and stuff. So you would I'm I guarantee you, you will know some of their music. So, but they're good, you'll like them. They're very good uh a guitar by guitar band. Yeah, cool. They got a very 70s vibe, so yeah, I would definitely take a listen to them. Yeah, good band, really good band. Yeah, like I said, you'll like the guitar stuff in it. Um, that's his opening. That's that's gonna be a good show, dude. I'm looking forward to it. It's gonna be good, yeah. All right, well, then that will wrap us up for another episode of Distortion Analysis. Episode 10. Thank you for joining us. Twitch Truck Podcast.