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Pennhurst Paracon is chaos in the best way: packed rooms, big stories, and that moment when a crowd goes silent because someone just shared something they have never said out loud. We pulled together the strongest clips from the celebrity panels so you can hear what seasoned investigators actually fear, what they have learned the hard way, and how they think about risk, respect, and evidence when the lights are off.
Our panel highlights feature:
- Patti Negri & Jay Wasley
- Ghost Brothers
- Ghost Hunters
- Katrina Weidman
- Ghost Trip Investigation
- Thomas Winterton, Superintendent at Skinwalker Ranch
- Sons of Appalachia
- Project Fear
- Twin Paranormal
- Nick & Tessa Groff
- Rob Gutro, Pet Medium
You’ll hear everything from a chilling Ouija board story that spirals into real danger, to haunted location talk that gets oddly specific, including why Old South Pittsburgh Hospital leaves people rattled. We also dig into practical ghost hunting habits like rolling cameras early, staying alert when you are leaving, and why “attachments” come up so often. When the conversation turns darker, guests share what certain places feel like in the body and how they reset afterward using grounding, prayer or meditation, salt baths, and intentional boundaries.
Then we pivot into high strangeness with Skinwalker Ranch updates: drilling into the mesa, pulling out thin layers of metal described as forged, and wrestling with what it could mean when the data refuses to fit a neat explanation. We close on something unexpectedly human and comforting with pet medium insights on grief and the ways animals may reconnect through dreams, familiar sounds, and those small signs you notice when you are quiet enough to look.
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Welcome To Pennhurst Paracon Highlights
So it's been a busy time here at Ghost City Tours. We actually just got back from Paracon, which was hosted at Pennhurst, right outside of Philadelphia. Now, if you guys weren't there, first of all, you missed out on a lot. Uh it was a what three-day event, two and a half, three-day event. And I mean, there was like 17,000, 18,000 people in attendance, and they had everything going on from celebrity guests to uh meet and greets to tons of vendors. You could even go on ghost hunts at night. And uh they even had dinner, the RIP dinner. Like you can join, uh, you know, get some dinner and listen to your favorite paranormal celebrities, yip it up with uh yours truly on stage. And if you were in attendance, you knew that Ghost City Tours was actually helping run all of these celebrity panels and interviews. You you might have seen me, Carter, Paul, or even the lovely Stephanie running around all night trying to take your guys' questions. What you might not know is that we were actually recording the whole damn thing. We're kind of sneaky like that. So what we did is we took all those clips and we put them into what you're about to see, which is kind of like the greatest hits of the celebrity panels. You're gonna see everybody from Ghost Hunters to Nick and Tessa Groff to the Ghost Brothers, uh, Project Fear. I mean, I can go on and on. We we interviewed a lot of people over the weekend. So uh grab your popcorn, sit back, and check out the best of the Pennhurst celebrity panels.
A Ouija Board Turns Dangerous
Patty Negri and Jay Wazley. But honestly, probably one of the scariest things too, which none of you have actually seen because it happened when I was a teenager. I was playing the Ouija board with some friends. It was like after band practice, and we wanted to go all out with the Ouija board. So we, you know, we didn't know what we were doing at the time. We were dumb teenagers, and we had like incense, a dagger, a water dish, the candles, like anything ritualistic we could find. We're just like, let's set the scene. And we're doing the Ouija board, and it kept saying its name was a it was a little boy. It was saying its name was like Z, and it would go to O and Z. And at the time I had no idea what this meant. Fast forward many years, learned a lot about it. But uh at the time, I had no idea. And then I asked the dumbest question ever, well, back up. I noticed the incense was blowing and it would go down to the dagger. And I would lift up the dagger, put it on the other side of the board, the incense would change, go to the dagger. Everywhere I moved the dagger, the incense would follow to it. And I said the stupidest thing, I was like, Hey, can you are you attracted to the dagger? And it said yes. So then I asked the next, probably even more stupid thing, I was like, Can you come through the dagger into us? And it said yes. So we all looked at each other, we're like, all right, well, this is what we want. We want this crazy experience. So my friend and I were like, we'll both do it, we'll hold the dagger, it's in a sheath. So we lay on the ground, I'm holding one end, he's holding the other end. We're like, okay, you can come through us. And I just got this overwhelming feeling of sadness through my whole body. My buddy jumps up, I'm on my back on the ground, he jumps up with his knees on my shoulders and he's trying to pull the dagger out of the sheath, and he breaks it open and lunges it towards my throat. And I'm holding him like this, shaking, and the daggers like past my chin, and he's on top of me, so he has all gravity and the force, and he's just trying to push me. I'm shaking, holding him back as hard as I can. This lasts probably about 10-15 seconds. He goes totally with him, full tears, had no idea what happened. And then we're like, all right, we're good. I think we're done for the night. And yeah, yeah. So that was absolutely terrifying. Ghost
The Haunted Hospital Nobody Visits
Brothers. I think we got to hit some of the hot spots again. Like, I know we did lights out, right? And we went to some of these like larger than life locations. It was like the bucket list of like haunted places, Waverly Hills, Ohio State Reformatory, uh, right, Trans Allegheny. Like, we did all those. Um, we would like to explore some of those again. Sure. But then we'd like to tap into some of like the less popular locations. So, like, if you guys have a spot that you think we should really check out, if you got some homes, if you got some places, we'd love those recommendations too. Well, I got one in mind. So, actually, some of you guys in the audience might know this location. And I've been there, I actually used to spend like weeks at a time there. I don't know if I've ever seen it on a show. It's called Old South Pittsburgh Hospital. Have you guys ever heard of this place? Yeah, OSR. Yeah, that place is haunted. Like it's the most haunted place I've ever been. And yet nobody really goes there. And I don't understand why, because Ronnie, who's the owner, he's a great guy. Um, I mean, when we used to take groups there, I mean, it would literally be no more than five minutes. We had somebody freaking out. Oh my god, a shadow person, a voice, so this or that. So if you ever guys find yourself in South Tennessee, old South Pittsburgh Hospital is one of those places that you knocked it down. It's yeah, it's like right outside of Chattanooga. It's called uh yeah, old South Pittsburgh. So it's OSPH. Uh-huh. Um, it was an old hospital. We took pictures in front of Gurney's with like I remember the E on. Like we had like because we had the it was during the pandemic, yeah. And then a guy brought us some new equipment for I'm just I can't even like we had shadow activity, it was just, but I do remember the location, but I would love to go back. Yeah, we even had a lady break her leg. She got so freaked out. So you know that staircase that kind of runs down the middle of the building, you might remember. Tell Ronnie to get at us. Yeah, she got so freaked out, she ran down the stairs, broke her damn leg. But I'll I'll reach out to Ronnie and get you guys some stuff. That's not how you sell it too. That's not bro. Someone was so scared that they broke their leg. Uh, I think we're gonna miss that one. I don't know if we want that one. And the best part of it was she didn't even want to be there. Her kids were like, you know, like that age where you had to have a parent with you. So she's like, I don't even want to do this shit. My kid and her friends want to go, and then she ends up being taken out in an ambulance. Oh, I'm whooping, I'm whooping them kids' ass. Belt's ass. I'm talking about I am tearing them up. She will never let them live that down. I broke my leg for y'all. Exactly. Never, never. Well, I will say, so what happened is they were upstairs on the third floor and they all described the exact same thing. You know, that uh a full body apparition, skinny, sickly woman, walked out of one room, hospital gown, looked at them, and kept walking. I mean, me, I would have fucking freaked out too, to be honest. Like, but that's so that that's what their experience at Old South Pittsburgh Hospital. So if you guys ever get a chance, especially if you're gonna if these guys hold something there or do something there, I'd definitely take them up on that opportunity to go there. Very, very haunted place. We'll pull up the ghost hunters.
Why Ghost Hunters Start Investigating
Hi, I've been watching you guys for a very long time, and when I was younger in the St. Augustine, I'm over here, sorry. I'll stand up. The St. Augustine lighthouse when the shadow figure looked over the railing changed the way I viewed things. What was it that made you guys want to investigate and what was that thing that made you really believe in everything? Well, I mean when it came what the hell was that? Um when it came down to it, I I just I had an experience that I couldn't figure out. And yeah, upon looking around, everything was so blown out of proportion. So I just had an experience where I saw something that didn't make any sense to me. So from there, just trying to search for the truth, look for the answers. I forgot the question. Uh what what made you hey, I remember now? A movie called The Entity when I was like five. That sent me on my path of discovery. For me, what an incubus is. Oh uh, for me, it was my father. He was a police officer uh in New Jersey, and he would tell me my brother stories that would happen to him and other fellow officers at that time. And like growing up with these stories, you realize, oh, this is real. These are people who wouldn't just lie about that. So that is what intrigued me. Nothing in particular happened, uh, but just the stories kind of intrigued me. And mine was um part of both questions. Um, the house wasn't haunted, and then all of a sudden something was going on all the time. Um all day, all night stuff was going on. And then then I got held down one day by a doppelganger of a ex now my ex-husband. Um, so that's kind of what got me into this whole story. You're looking at us. 10 minutes long. No, your stories are usually a half hour, 10 minute bullshit. You're usually a pack of lunch at every end. I mean, Steve fell asleep. You're doing good, Sherry. So go ahead. That's actually true. Yeah, we got what time for uh one more one more quick question. All right, we have Chris way back here. Hey guys, have you ever had anything so crazy setting up that you wish you caught on video? Yeah, that's that's happened many times. That's happened many times. Um, yeah, where you wish they could you you wish you were rolling camera footage or whatever. We've had a lot of experiences during that. We actually started just rolling before we started investigating. Now we wouldn't wait until we get and said we as soon as we're on, but boom, everything's rolling, cameras going, everything, audio as soon as you're ready. It makes for a lot more, you know, uh stuff to analyze. But no, but because of that, we have caught things, you know, walking into the house. Like sometimes it's just it's just immediate. And a lot of times also when we're leaving, like, don't turn off your cameras, like wait until you get into the van, then turn off your cameras and your audio, because sometimes they want you back in there. Like there's been moments when nothing was happening, and as soon as you're leaving, it's like, no, no, no, actually, we're not shy, you know. Um, so it's always smart to do it, do it that way.
When Evidence Matches The Warning
Katrina Wideman. Have you personally ever like been anywhere that even if like maybe it's the cameras are off or something, like something like that happened where you saw something like really, you know, or interacted with something that was like that blew your mind, like, oh, this is what people are talking about. So so what you're asking is when we go places and people have these crazy stories, yeah. Have we then had the experiences to back up those stories? Right. Yeah. So one, I mean, there's actually a couple I can think of. Um, Black Monkhouse being one of them, because one of the things I was told when I went there is that anybody who enters the coal hole, which is where they used to store coal for the winter, gets scratched. That was one of the very first things I was told. And I was like, yeah, whatever. I've heard this. By the way, coal hole movies. I know, I know. Um so you know, I've heard that so many times. I I just sort of filter it, I know to filter it out. Um, but funny enough, when I got scratched at the Black Monk house, I was standing in the coal hole. And it was this really weird sensation of uh it felt like you were standing next to one of those old school TVs with the static electricity coming off of it. Like you could feel it all over your body. And then I felt the burning on my stomach. Um, so that's one I can think of. Another one I can think of is a private case I worked on a really long time ago. And um, when I was with this organization, I was the person who did all the interviews for people. So they all had to be vetted by me. And the woman I spoke to, she said to me, 145 a.m. on the dot. Everything happens in this house. And when I hear that, I kind of think bullshit, because we can't really put things on a pattern like that, right? Um, sure enough, we go to this house, 145 a.m. on the dot, footsteps start above us. We hear rustling of a dress. Um, somebody, well, I don't not somebody, something, banged the basement doors, an old house in Jersey. And uh the since it was old, the the doors were kind of swollen. So when you banged on them or like pushed on them, you had to put your full body weight on it. And somebody or something did that to the door. Um, I had a boat propeller fly off the wall towards me that we have on camera. So, and it like again, it just matched exactly what she had told us in her pre-interview. So, those are two experiences I can think of, like that. Kindred spirits.
Living People Can Be Scarier
What is the craziest experience you guys have while investigating one of the places you've been to? Oh my goodness. Uh here's the thing, and this is sorry, you can go. I'm like, No, I don't. I'm what I'm saying, I will tell you this. Remember this. If there's anything you walk away from this weekend, it's this living people are much scarier than dead ones. Okay. So, yeah, so remember that. Um, so uh thinking that the most the craziest experiences we've had during investigations are usually when we literally thought like we were in danger physically from either from a structure that was not suitable for us to be there, or people like living people who were dangerous. Like a ghost I can handle all day. But I'm trying, I mean, one of the most intense moments we ever had on any case was during the Velisca House episode. And we decided to bring back the gentleman who investigated that house with his parents for his birthday, and he physically he stabbed himself in the chest in that house. And he said there was an orb, he saw a light, and then next thing he knows, he woke up and he was holding a knife and he had stabbed himself in the chest. And he had to be lifelited out of the house. He bled, he died, and was brought back to life. He stabbed himself that severely. And we wanted to people were saying he was possessed and all this crazy stuff, but we wanted him to tell the side of the story because obviously something happened to him, but like what was it, right? So we invited him to a secure location for us, and we had him come in. It was one of the most intense moments because A, we didn't know who he was, we never met him, we didn't know his mental capacity, we didn't know if he was carrying, we didn't know like anything about the situation we were getting ourselves into. Just knew he had stabbed himself. Yeah. Yeah. Turns out gentle giant. Yeah. Turns out totally fine. But the anticipation of like, what are we about to do and what are we getting into? Um, and actually, that whole episode changed his entire life because he went back, he faced his fear, he was able to like go in there and see with us, and he it it was wonderful for him, but for us, it was really scary. So it was just an example of like how real people can be could be terrifying. And just some background on that, what that that was his birthday present going to the Velisca house for the night. So his parents brought him there, and it was just the three of them. And his parents were outside, and he was investigating in the house by himself, and he completely recreated the murder scene, meaning he put no this when he and so then he like he covered all the mirrors up, he brought out like bacon because remember, the the killer left like a slab of bacon out, and there was uh like bloody bowls of water and stuff, and he didn't have an axe, so he just had a knife. So he laid in the bed where the girls were found, the last murder, the last ones who were killed. He laid in that bed, and that's when he laid back and saw this thing come out of the closet, and he blacked out. And when he woke up, he had stabbed himself. He does insist though that he stabbed himself with his left hand into his shoulder like this, and he's not sure how he could have physically gotten the knife in that deep, but you know, things to ponder. Yeah. Terrifying ghost trip investigation.
The Places That Feel Wrong
All right, what was the most negative place you've ever been? Like where you left and you're just like, ew. There's a place in in the UK, and I guess some of you will have heard of it, called the Ancient Ram Inn. We've we've investigated there like eight or nine times, and it has an awe about it. I know there can be placebos when you walk into it, and you hear a lot about the history, but this place, you literally walk through the front door. Makes you feel ill, doesn't it? And I I can't put into words how you feel. There's just for those of you that do investigate, you just get that wave of energy, it hits you like a ton of bricks, and you leave that place kind of with like the worst paranormal hangover ever. You don't feel right, you feel a bit weird. Um, so yeah, I'd say that's definitely one of the highest, and that's obviously in the UK. But over here, definitely the conjurant house 100%. The first time we went, the first time we went, yeah. First time we went. Rough. So the the ancient ram in. So a lot of us know about it because we've seen it on a couple you know shows that that have been produced here. But so for the people and me too, like what's really going on there that makes it such a place that uh leaves you with that feeling. Is it what do you mean the ancient ram? Yeah, ancient ramp. So it lay it lies on kind of two ley lines which go directly to Stonehenge, which is just a bunch of rocks in the UK. And um pretty boring, to be honest. Yeah, so these ley lines It's the most underwhelming honest thing to get in. Oh, I need to go to Stonehenge, man. No, you don't. No, don't waste your shoe level. It's seven stones just plonked up. But uh, yeah, so there's a couple of ley lines that run from Stonehenge directly under the ancient ram in. Um, and apparently there's also a portal there as well where it's just you know, it never closes. Uh, we've had some really, really weird stuff happen there. And as Adam said, it is a darker place. There's just the aura's off, you know? There's just something not quite right. It's very odd. It's like that's about a thousand years old. Yeah, it's gonna say something. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Dates back that wasn't a dig, by the way. I was just saying we have deprives here that are older than America. Thomas Winterton, Skinwalker
Skinwalker Ranch Mesa Metal Mystery
Ranch. So, guess my question is what is the craziest thing you found inside the mesa, aired or unaired? That's a great question. And and that, and really that's the pressing question on our minds as a team is uh if you guys have been following our investigation, we drilled hundreds of feet into this sandstone mesa, which from the top doesn't look like it's been disturbed at all. And we pulled out large quantities of metal. Uh, we submitted it to the University of Utah. Their metallurgist looked at it and said, absolutely, this is not natural. It was forged. Uh, very thin. They're about the thickness of a card stock or a business card. And they're different materials on one side than the other. It's absolutely been manufactured or forged, as they said. So, what the heck is this metal doing hundreds of feet into the mesa? Um, and you know, when you understand the way that we're drilling, we're we're using a horizontal drill that can be steered around. So we can move this drill bit through the mesa. And and we started at the bottom and we were coming up the top. And if if this was a natural occurrence, you'd expect to find it in the sedimentary layers like this. And uh we're we're finding artifacts that are actually stacked this way, defy the regular what what you'd expect to see geologically if it was natural. And uh, we've pulled out everything from metal. We pulled out um some uh charred material that we we sent off and came back. It it's charred, uh, like it, like there was a fire in there. Uh as you saw the season six, we pulled out the ceramic material. Uh and uh and then uh a 1964 nickel. Now are you saying you're finding this, did you say hundreds of feet down? So it's about it it ranges from about 70 feet below the top. Uh-huh. But we're talking when we talk uh hundreds of feet, we're talking into the mesa horizontally. So, you know, up to 300 feet in horizontally and and as much as 70 feet below the surface. I mean, so the amount of time that would have to pass for that much soil to accumulate on top of whatever those objects are, I don't even want to guess how many tens of thousands of years that is. But if you're saying forged, that means man-made, right? Right. And you know, you look at so you look at the fragments of material that we're pulling out too, and and just the way it would have to be sitting in there to not get pulverized by the drill bit, to pull out large, we're pulling out large uh pieces that are bigger than like a silver dollar, wow, uh, you know, 50 cent piece. Um, and so it it tells us a little bit about the way they're lying inside the mesa. It just it defies all explanation. Maybe this whole idea of like there was an intelligent civilization before us, maybe there's something to that. Um, who knows? Well, you know, a part of our investigation is we go and we ask the neighbors who some of these neighbors have lived there for decades. And so yeah, we've reached out to these people and we've asked them, you know, hey, have you guys seen anything? Have you experienced anything? And it's been a mixed bag. Some of the neighbors that have lived there for years, they look at us and they're like, You guys are crazy. Uh we've been living here and we've never seen anything. Yeah. And then the other half say, Oh yeah, we've we've seen some crazy things. And and one of the widely reported, and I'm, you know, I look at people really close as they're telling me these things. I'm looking to see if they're just pulling my leg or, you know, and and then usually it's not even me, it's like other members of the team. They are sincere, and they always started out by saying, If you tell anybody I said this, I will tell I'll call you a liar. I'll kill you. It is they're just like, I'll just tell everybody you're a liar. Right. Um, they're they're not looking for attention, they don't want to be on the show, they don't want anybody to know they're saying it. Yeah, but these people are credible, grounded, like good people in the community. We've got a lot of them that are saying that they have personally witnessed the Mesa open up and seen craft fly into the Mesa. I mean, that's so that's a little that's an extraordinary claim, as they call it. But uh Yeah, well, for someone like maybe a skeptical, I came in and I'm like, yeah, right. Right, right, right, right. But now we're pulling metal out of the mesa, and I'm thinking maybe they were telling the truth. Sons of Appalachia.
Cryptid Fear And Appalachian Folklore
I'm a huge fan of Mount Monsters and Sons of Appalachia. Thank you. And um, and once again, Buck, you're all you're always my my favorite of the Ames team. Thank you. So for our mom monsters, why guys go on the quests for spearfinger? Like, like during that quest, in your opinion, what do you think is like like the scariest part of that quest? The the the entire thing was very unsettling. Um whenever you're dealing with a lot of it's dealing with unknown and um and it was just d what is it? Yeah, possibly, yeah. You're dealing with things that are definitely outside of the realm. Like, you know, we went on our first ghost hunt the other night. That was definitely something different, but I felt way more comfortable. Yeah. Uh when you're up against things that you really don't know what you're dealing with, it's very unsettling. So so you guys aren't so you guys kind of span the whole breadth of cryptids in this strange because that's there's a I mean I'm pretty sure you guys know because we're we're pretty close to Appalachia, but there's a lot of folklore cryptids that's like like that that people outside of don't even know about. That's absolutely right. Project fear.
Robert The Doll After Effects
Have you guys had any after effects from uh Robert the doll? Um, I find myself funny. Uh you know, there was like there hasn't been anything massive or big that we've noticed. I mean, there was a like a good stint where like something would happen, someone would stub their toe, and we just go, Robert, dang him. Like that was kind of like the ongoing joke, but I don't want to say joke because I want to be respectful still because I'm a little nervous, but uh honestly, I don't think so. We were super respectful the entire time, like as much as as possible. I was super respectful the entire time, so I didn't want to get messed with us. Yeah, be safe. Yeah, I didn't know what they were doing until they did the I saw the video. Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. I thought because they asked for permission, uh we probably don't have to, but honestly, it's been good since then. So, like he said, just lots of little things happened where we would blame it on Robert, but it never got to that point where we were actually blaming something on Robert. Frickin' Robert. Robert is scary. And now we got Annabelle here. It's so scary. Gosh.
A Pennhurst Investigation Contest Tease
So while we're at Pennhurst, we actually had an idea. Uh, you guys might know uh Ghost City Tours for the tours that we offer all over the country, but you might have picked up on the fact that we're going pretty heavy into this media thing. And we're currently in development, I guess is the right word, guys, uh on something pretty exciting. We're we're gonna be working with Pennhurst doing some ghost hunts. And I'm not gonna spill too many details right now, but we are gonna be running a contest where if you enter, and I think we're gonna pick four people, you're actually gonna get an all expenses trip to Pennhurst to investigate with us and some of your favorite celebrity paranormal people. Is that the right word, guys? Your favorite paranormal celebrities uh for for four nights. So keep an eye on our social pages for more information about that. And when it comes time to uh enter the contest, we'll share the details, and I hope to see all of you participate. Ghost Brothers.
Trust And Transparency On A Team
You all have talked about your distinctive individual journeys, and I wonder what have you learned on those journeys that you're gonna bring back into the group dynamic that's gonna enhance it, and what can we expect that to look like? That's a really good question. Uh and it actually part of like my answer that I was gonna answer give to the last question, um, it kind of segues into this, but like um I I think what I realize when you're in a group dynamic, when you're working with production companies, all of the things, communication and transparency is key. And I want that to be something that we strive to maintain moving forward. One story we had, we went to House of Wheels. Dalen told you guys a story yesterday. I don't know, but that's that's like the probably the scariest location we've been to. But what happened was before we got to House of Wills, like before we investigated, this guy, the owner of it, he has like the largest collection of like anti-Christ, like anti-Christ artifacts. Um, he's the leader of the satanic movement, and a lot of the collectibles that he removed before we got there, production didn't want to tell us. They because we always said with our religious beliefs, we did not want to dabble in anything demonic. But ultimately, like we'd love to have the opportunity to have the conversation, so we're aware. And it's just like we felt like they removed that ability from us, and y'all just hide it. And it's like that does not give us open transparency and communication. And now you make me question the relationship and trust moving forward that you don't have our best interests at heart, right? Just because you're not even allowing us the opportunity to say something, and so like moving forward, I just want us to always honor that with each other and other um business endeavors and and like production companies that we work with. So that's just I'll say this. I definitely agree on that aspect. Uh, we know what to ask for now as far as like when it comes to equipment, when it comes to stories that we're really interested in. And I think that when we when we do come back, uh, of course the jokes are gonna be still there, but there's another level of maturity and seriousness that we've kind of gotten to. Being able to be around in the in the community for so long, you know, uh investigating with other groups. You know, you pick up things just like anybody else. Like if you're a basketball player and you play on a different squad for a second, you know, they run their plays a little different. So I think that when we come back, we just have a lot more in our treasure chest to kind of really, you know, use. I feel like I'm at a press conference, so and we're just really trying to make maintain what coach showed us. Uh work really hard on the game plan. Uh we got what is this? Oh, it said it said 72 points for me. Uh I just gotta do better. I just gotta be better. I just gotta be better for my team, be uh be more locked in, more engaged. Any any other sports jargon I can come up with. Great question, by the way. All right, we gotta go and we need teamwork. And we need teamwork.
The Real Meaning Of Pop The Trunk
Hi guys, I just have a um the question. Who came up with Pop the Trunk? Why would you even you know who came up with that? Y'all know who came up with all the fly stuff on the spot, baby. What y'all talking about? That was genius. I but I tell you what I didn't come up with, paranormal poppy. You know what I'm saying? That that's uh that boy's a sex symbol. I couldn't, I wasn't gonna, I wasn't gonna name no other man paranormal poppy. Kate, it's only what you call you the paranormal poppy. You want it only, baby. Nah, uh, but yeah, pop the trunk. You know where that came from? Uh, in our culture, the term pop the trunk comes from if you get into any type of altercation and you want to make a quick threat. Hey, don't make me go back and pop the trunk on your ass. So you don't want to be on the receiving end of somebody. Anytime you pop the trunk. Anytime y'all hear somebody say, I'm about to go pop the trunk on, go get in your car, leave, get in your car and drive away. Go about your Sunday. I'm not giving nobody the opportunity to pop. Okay, go pop no trunk on me. Yeah, okay. And so what, and then it was a double entendre because we were like, we had at the first we had an actual trunk uh that we would get all of our equipment out of. So I was like, yeah, man, let's pop the trunk on these ghosts. So I really was about to pop something on them real quick. SLS cam. I saw you. Hey, there you go again. You know, who got him? Don't let this happen again, punk. You know what I'm saying? Patty Negri and Jay Wazley.
Demon House And Bringing Fear Home
What's like the like the scariest like like event, like investigation that that you got that you have like like so so scared that you never ever want to come back? Uh, I mean, there's probably nothing I wouldn't go back to because I'm kind of weird like that, where you know, if something's happened, I almost want to go back to kind of see if it'll happen again. And to me, that kind of like proves more that like, oh, this is really happening, this is really going on. So there's I would probably dumb enough to go back to anywhere. Uh but uh some of the scariest there's been a lot. Uh Demon House was absolutely terrifying when uh we did that documentary. Uh, you know, I watched my friend lose his mind, you know, on and off camera too. Like I had to talk to him, you know, and it was seeing a full man cry that I've known for years that was just absolutely terrified. And he told me straight up, he's like, I didn't believe any of this guys. You know, I we I just brought him in to help us shoot cameras, and he's like, I didn't believe any of it. And he's like, I've been with you guys three days and it's changed my life, and it's basically like made him crack in a way, and he just totally lost it. Um, and that place was just evil. We all got affected. A lot of stuff came home with us. That was the course of a couple years, so we were really engulfed in that investigation. Um, and then other times, like, there's been I've been dragged backwards in a in an old saloon in Prescott, Arizona. I've had scratches appear on me. I've seen things lift off the ground, go flying. So, I mean, you know, there's not just one terrifying thing, it's pretty much every other week for the last 16 years. Have you ever brought anybody along with an investigation they've had something terrific or or traumatizing happen and then you kind of regret it, like, ah shit, we can't. Yeah, I mean, the demon house one like that messed up my friend for a while. Um, it's kind of fun, and we love like randomly when we bring on people that are especially on the skeptic side too, because they'll come in kind of be like, Yeah, you know, I don't believe in this or whatever, and then they'll leave, be like, all right, this is legit or you know, really capturing these experiences. So we kind of love those moments, you know. Yeah. All right, we have Rachel with a question. I'll hold your drink.
How To Prevent And Clear Attachments
Thank you for making them strong today. Um so you talked about an attachment. What do you do when you realize you have brought something home from an investigation? And how do you kind of detach from that and protect yourself uh moving forward? And especially you, Patty, as a medium too. Well, the first thing is try not to bring home an attachment, not you know, that conscious choice of you guys stay here, I'm going home, grounding yourself. There's a million ways to do it. Literal grounding, getting outside, um, breath work, Palo Santo, different herbs and things. I work with a lot of sigils and symbols, and your intent is the most important. Um the place that I like to protect that a lot of not a lot of people don't know about is the biggest portal on our body is literally the back of our neck. You know where your head and neck go together and it kind of goes goes in and out. I have that power. Um that's the one you want to, if you if you want to open your third eye, open this up so you can see an experience. Unless you're a medium, an experienced medium, and know what you're doing, you want to shut this one down. That's why when you pray, you bow your head for God for spirit. But this one you want to shut down this so nobody gets in, open this in so you can see them. So start out from the beginning to the end. Um, and then again, it will still occasionally happen. And then it's the salt baths, it's cascarella powder, it's the working within your belief system if you have one. And then if that doesn't work, work with anybody else's belief system. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree completely. I mean, I think it's a very personal, you know, ritual, if you will, for when you're done in investigation. You know, if you're religious, pray. If you're a Buddhist, meditate. If you don't believe in anything, then just be cool. Just try to stay positive. Surround yourself with love and things you love doing, you know, like me when I feel like I've had a really intense investigation. I go home, I like to play music, I like to do artwork, I like to spend time in nature, you know, things like that that help keep me grounded and keep my intentions positive and you know, and not feed into whatever dark energy you encountered. Project Fear.
The EVP Moments That Stick Forever
Is there an interaction or conversation with the spirit, like through Estes or yes-no questions and really getting to know like who they are or why they're here? Is there any interaction or conversation with the spirit that stands out in your mind? I mean, I'll start right away with uh Saratoga Homestead. Um, our first uh time we went there with Destination Fear. We got this is a place where people went when they were sick, and a lot of children were sent there. And we got a voice. I don't know if some of you have seen it, but it was like a little boy or girl whispering, I miss my family. And it was so clearly a child. It wasn't like a typical EVP, and that one hit us hard. I remember that one rocking us for a while, and we stayed in the basement for like another hour trying to communicate with this boy, and it kind of dithered away the conversation. But that was the first one that comes to my mind. Yeah, and and for me, like it was uh I don't know if it was like more or less like getting anything, but uh being here for the first time at Pennhurst, uh, when when we did Trail the Terror, like when we first walked up into this land and then saw the property and stuff, I think all of us were just hit with kind of emotions of just like wow, like this is a pretty heavy place of what happened here and how how it got to be. And that one kind of just stuck with me of just like, wow, this is like I'm gonna be overly respectful, I'm gonna be overly polite, I'm gonna try to my hardest to talk to some of the kids that were here. Um, because yeah, it was just it was sad. I feel like for me, being like pretty new to this during destination fear. This was back in destination fear days back then, back in the day. Um we obviously digital recorder, we we would get like one-word answers or two-word answers, but the first time we ever got like a full response, like a full sentence, I forgot the location, but we asked the question, like, you know, pretty simple question, like, are you good or are you bad? And the response was like clear as day, and it just said, I'm bad, I'm just having a good time. I'm in Nazareth, I thought. I think that was Nazareth. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, in Texas, right? I think so. But it was just like so clear where I'm just like, oh my gosh, like this is crazy. It's I don't know if you guys have ever had that experience where you have that like one piece of evidence that just like sticks with you forever. Like, that's kind of that for me. I think uh for me, one that's it's not like we have this long drawn-out interaction with it, but goes back to Shep and Malet prison with me and Tanner when we broke off the duos right away. Me and him are there just talking, and we hear like a crash behind us. We hear like a crash behind us, and we both are like, Whoa, what was that? And then all of a sudden we hear in between us some someone say what? Like, there's just a spirit like standing, and we both looked at each other like, No, that was not your voice. No, me? Uh-uh. Why would I talk? Like, oh, it's just one of the homies standing there, like chilling. It's like, whoa, what was that? What the hell? Yeah, like that was so weird because we picked that up on camera only, like we had no equipment going at the time, and it was just like we audibly heard someone say, What? Yeah. Dude, this happens all the time. Relax. It's a prison, it's gonna be noisy, guys. Never been to prison. On that note, twin paranormal.
A First Case That Changed Everything
So you guys from being you guys from uh you guys from Go go from being scared little kids in a household where dad doesn't love you to making uh videos about the paranormal. Like, where did you guys make that jump? You know what? Actually, it's crazy. We used to by the way, I'm sure your dad loves you. I'm just oh he he does love us. Dad, uh, you're probably not gonna see this. You're in Florida. We love you. Mom, I you're somewhere here. We love you. You know, yeah. Yeah. Moms and dads need love too. Why is mom? Why is dad? Yeah, Wyatt. We love Wyatt. We love Wyatt. We're definitely watching this somewhere right now. Behold. Power. Um, I mean, what's crazy before we did all the paranormal stuff, we used to do jackass videos. I don't for some reason I don't believe that at all. Oh, we used to skate me a brand. Skateboard? We do still skate skateboard. Believe it or not, it was all on this other channel, right? And when we created the ghost videos, we like turned it off, you know? And somehow people still dig and find them in the depths of the internet. Do not do that, by the way. You guys don't want to see it. You will be scarred for life. Yeah. Yeah. I've been trying to hide all those videos. I don't know how it's possible. I don't know where you find those. Uh AI. They say once something is on the internet, it's there forever. So I think you guys are just eternally screwed. Thanks, Drew. It's just gonna always be there. Reminding me. My space, what? Oh, always. I thought you said my ass is funny. I was like, what? Excuse you. Pardon the language. Yeah, sorry, sorry. Do you guys remember the first ghost video that you did that where you're like, oh man, there's like there's might be something to this. Who should make another one? Honestly, for me, it was when we used to do family investigations. We used to go and uh investigate people's homes who had, I don't know, a haunting, I'd say. Um, some of them were real, some of them weren't weren't. And uh there was this woman with her two kids, and they kept waking up to this man at the foot of their bed, and they were absolutely terrified. So we decided to do a couple of nights there, and throughout the night, we got the name Michael, um, car crash, and um tell my family I'm sorry, essentially. And um, we brought it to her attention after the investigation. She said, I don't know a Michael, I don't know any of that. Um, we ended up posting it, and three days later, we got a call from the same woman saying that the two tenants before her, her husband had died in in a car crash right across or a block away on her son's birthday, and his name was Michael. Yeah, and uh it was one of the craziest things that we've ever experienced ever, and that made us like believe like there has to be something to this. So for me, that's kind of what got us uh got me started, at least. I would definitely agree. That video was nuts, and it it's a trip to you know, when you're running devices or spirit boxes or whatever it is, there's always eventual noise or an element of randomness to it. But it's the ones that come out that make sense or the information you didn't know about before you started investigating that you find out later that makes it really cool. Late like Lake Limited, yeah. That's nice. Yeah. A lot of people, you know, once once they start getting into this a little bit more. I mean, they that that's when it a lot of people start with this idea of like, hey, I want to go out and make a video that's kind of scary, you know, we're gonna look for ghosts, people are gonna be frightened. But once you start taking it a little bit more seriously, you realize that everything we're doing is actually it's it's all a human story, right? Like it all ties back to people. So it's not this idea of, you know, hey, I want to go get scared. It's then it becomes this idea of like, holy shit, we're actually like like impacting people's lives. Yeah, that like that person you were talking about who had, what was it, Michael car crash? Like, you know, for them, maybe uh maybe they didn't know Michael was still around. And for them to realize, like, wait a minute, Michael is still here communicating with people, that has the the ability to change somebody's life. Yeah, yeah. I think what's crazier is like when we did do that investigation, we even to this day, we're noobs. It doesn't matter. We learn about something every yeah, you learn something every day. That investigation was so early in like our journey and everything. And like we we tried to do a cleansing in the house just to see if that would work. We didn't know what we were doing, but in that video, the front door closes. We had the family in the house with us, also doing the cleansing and walking around with us, and they're they came up to us, they're like, hey, the front door slammed shut. And so I believe that hopefully we were able to help them move on. That's you know what everybody's hoping. Or maybe it's because you were doing a cleanse and then you said we didn't know what the hell we were doing. That's right. That's too. Yeah, it was like you are saying, you know, they were so freaked out that yeah, that that was just a woman that worked with my mom in a super small town, and she was like, I don't know if I believe this, but you guys do it, so come check it out. And he, if that really was, you know, the spirit of Michael, I don't think he was trying to freak them out. Right. But he was trying to talk to them. Yeah, I mean, every everybody has a story, right? Yeah, and uh, if you don't hear it, then you you go to extreme lengths to make it hurt. Nick and Tessa Groff.
A Demonic Case And Mediums In Public
Uh, do you have a favorite place to investigate in Western New York? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we we've investigated tons of different locations. Uh St. Mary's Hospital, um, Hinsdale House, Iron Island Museum. Oh my god, I could go down the list. Van Horn Mansion. Yeah. There's tons. Well, I mean, what's your favorite? You know, one of our most Intense cases that we've ever done is in right outside of Buffalo, New York. It's in Hamburg, New York, and we're still working on it. It's a case with um really it's the it look I okay, I kid you not, it looks like the Amityville house. I don't know if you guys have been to other panels where you've heard us talk about this, but it's a family with two children involved. And I thought he was joking. He pulled me up to the location. I'm like, this is the Amityville house. And he's like, no, this is a different one. And and it has, it's one of the most intense cases with, and I don't, I don't yell demon very often. Okay. That's a very, very rare thing. But I will say that this case is probably the second case I've ever come across where I could almost for certain say that it's something demonic. Um, and so you know, you could look at a lot, there's so many locations in Western New York that are truly haunted with a lot of history. The history there is incredible. But I think that this case with this house, which is right in Buffalo, I think it's probably one of our most intense cases or locations we've ever been to. Oh, behind you, right behind you, turn around. Turn around. Alex, here's Alex. So is there this is for Tessa specifically, has there ever been a time where you've had to like stop a person because there was like someone that was trying to reach out to them? You're like, somebody's trying to talk to you. Oh, like in public? In public, like their loved one or something. There's a really funny story about Olive Garden. We were because it's not like the shows, like you see sometimes in certain shows where they just randomly walk up to people and start reading them, and it's a whole thing that doesn't really happen because I don't want somebody to like call the cops on me or you know, punch me. Like, I don't, you know, you never know what's gonna happen. So you kind of like ease your way into it. But one time we were at Olive Garden years ago, and so yes, it happens all the time. There's probably never a time that I go out where I'm not feeling somebody's people on the other side. But uh, we're in the Olive Garden and we were just trying to have like a nice night together. And um, don't tell my family I went to Olive Garden, by the way, my Italian family would be so upset with me. But we were there, and there was this woman who was like sitting at a at the bar, and then we were sitting over at the table, and Nick's trying to talk to me and have a nice night, and I just zoned and I'm like looking at her and I'm like, I have to talk to her, I have to talk to her. Her husband had just passed away like the week prior, and I was picking up on her husband. And so, like, I literally like walked up to the bar and I was so awkward, like trying to talk to her and he's into it. Like, I'm a medium, don't arrest me. And she was totally open to it. And I gave her a reading and she was crying, and so it does happen all the time. Um, because you know, our loved ones are always with us, especially when we're thinking of them or we're doing things in memory of them. And so they always pop in and out, you know. So it doesn't matter where you are. That's why people think like our loved ones are tied to a location or their grave or something. I'm like, they're not there, they're with you, you know, they're having fun, and uh, it doesn't they show up in Olive Garden. It's a true story. So, yes. Yeah, it's funny because she'll be doing a reading, and then all of a sudden I'm stuffing the breadsticks in my pockets. Has anybody ever done that at Olive Garden? Yeah, my man, right there again. Nice, we just became best friends. You're not kidding. It's okay. We do it too. Ghost trip
When Experiments Push Too Far
investigation. So yeah, we started then sort of just doing some scrying with uh and doing a lot of other experiments and the the EVPs that we were getting coming through were horrific, really, weren't they? Horrific, horrific EVPs. And I'm not uh I'm not a big believer on the whole demon side of things. I'm happy to be proved wrong. I'm not saying it's not true. I'm always open to that conversation. Me personally, I'm not too high on it. Um, but it was a lot of you know, demon kill you, you're gonna die. And it just felt that we'd kind of pushed the boundary a little bit too far, a little bit. It was the first time that we've ever felt that way. So it was like, okay, time to leave this conversation and uh shimmy off home quite quickly, weren't it? So where was it? Where was where were we? It was at an abandoned house in the UK where somebody went into like a care home back in the like 80s, um, and no one had been in the house and touched it. It's all everything. It was as if somebody like in the 1980s just up and left and left clothes, everything. There was like still washing, hanging up. Yeah, that's on YouTube as well. Um, by the way, if anybody does want to, we're literally we're called Ghost Trip Investigation, and that is our hand on every single social media platform if you want to watch a live stream or whatever. Yay. That was like guys, do you mind if we have a all have a quick selfie before we go? Is that alright? Yeah? Is that alright? Alright, sweet. Everybody stand up, let's go. If you're able to. We're gonna uh we're gonna shout a tradition, okay? Check one or two We'll do a little video of it as well. Okay, everybody, so after three, we're gonna shout bollocks, okay? One, two, three, bollocks! Thanks everyone. Appreciate you listening to us. Rob Gutrow, pet medium.
Pet Medium On Grief And Dream Visits
In 2005, um, I adopted a puppy. Okay. And unfortunately, um, his leash opened one day when I was walking him. He was killed by a car. Right. His name was Buzz. Um, he he immediately started reawakening my abilities. He taught me how pets communicate from the other side. Sure. And as someone who's a note taker, I took all the notes. Um, so I brought a picture of Buzz. He's on the cover of my Pets of Buzz. Um, a little Buzz. Buzz is a Weimaroner. Right here. And um, he has been extremely active. He has also led me to other dogs that we have adopted over time. Um, and he's taught me many ways that that pets communicate. He's uh one of the ways was he appeared to me. Okay. Now it takes a lot of energy. Um, I talk about energy in my books about how the types of energy they use. He appeared to me one day, one night, and uh I was making lunch. It was like 9:30 at night, and I saw the rear end of a Wimarana walking away from me, and I thought I had adopted another Wimarana named Dolly. Okay. So I thought it was her. So I stopped what I was doing because I called to but to uh to Dolly and I kept saying, Stop. And she wouldn't stop. So I followed her in the into a room. I had a townhouse, one way in, one way out of the living room, turn on the light, there was nobody there. It was Buzz. Buzz. Yeah. I ran upstairs and there was Dolly asleep on my bed. Right. So I knew it was him. And in those moments, it kind of brings tears to your eyes a little bit too. Like some emotional thing. I remember the first time, you know, Zoe, the dog that I had lost. First time I thought her and saw her in the house. It wasn't that I was upset that I saw her, but all those memories started flowing back of the time that I spent with her. And that's when I was like, oh shit. Uh like I'm gonna cry. And I and I did. Um, so they they still have a big impact on you, even after they're gone. Oh, absolutely. And you know, I I've I've done a lot of research about studies, psychological studies, and it it turns out that we grieve more deeply for our pets than most people. Yeah. And that's because we are 100% responsible for them. Uh-huh. Whereas, you know, with aunts and uncles or whatever, we're not responsible for them. Yeah, that that actually happened to me, and I'm embarrassed to admit that, but I'm willing to bet there's other people this happened to. You know, within a probably six-month span, my grandfather, who I was very, very close to, passed away. And Zoe, the dog that I'm talking about, passed away. I I didn't cry when my grandfather passed away. Like I was very depressed and upset, but I didn't cry. When Zoe passed away, I cried for a fucking month straight. Absolutely. And I felt bad for that. I was like, how could I not cry when my grandfather passed away? But I can cry when my dog passed away. So that's exactly why. So so Zoe was your child. Yeah. And that's how and that's how I look at my I don't need any more children, by the way. I think you have a lot of kids, and some of them have lizard tails. Yeah. All right. Well, we got the first question over here. So, Stephanie, who do we got? All right, right here. Hi, I'm hi, I'm Erin. Um I I'd say more recently, it was last November, lost my soul dog very tragically. And uh I was looking for ways to feel closer to her. Like I if you have any recommendations, like obviously I I snuggle with her bandanas and I even ordered a cuddle clone of her and things like that. Like just ways to feel like she's still close to me. And I feel her, sure. I hear the jingles of her collar sometimes and things like that. But if there's a way for like that you recommend for me to feel closer to her so I can connect with her, like I see her in my dreams sometimes and things like that, but I want to hold on to that. And so if you have any recommendations, I'd love that. So it's natural to feel that uh that need for physical for physical feeling. Um, I just lost three of my senior dogs in the last eight months, all three of them, suddenly and unexpectedly, from cancer, uh, kidney failure, and a blood clot. Totally unexpected. So I I get that. Um, I I also ordered a a pillow in the likeness of two of my dogs, and I hug them every night, I kiss them goodnight. Um coming into your dreams is the easiest way that a pet can communicate with you. And that's because our logical minds are asleep when we dream. So, what I would recommend is try to look at dreams as the best way. Look at their picture before you go to bed. Focus on their eyes. This is what mediums do too. This is how I communicate with pets. Um, focus on their eyes. Ask them to come home to you and come into your dreams. You will feel them sometimes, especially if they slept on your bed with you. Sometimes you'll feel them uh up against you. You may feel a coolness because when spirits visit, they actually take the uh the energy of motion from air molecules, slowing them down and creating cooler air. Um, so you'll feel a coolness, you may feel a tingling too. Um, that means that they're right next to you. And wherever they slept before, you may also see them, maybe as a shadow figure, quick moving shadow. Uh but the thing to remember is that they are with you from time to time in spirit. They can't be around you all the time because it takes too much energy. Um, but all you need to do is ask them and they'll find a way to let you know. They may even lead you to another pet that looks like them. So that was it in a nutshell, guys. If you guys enjoyed that, uh, we will actually be back at Penhurst next year. So
Pennhurst 2027 And Ghost City Closing
uh we encourage you. I think they have a deal right now going on, right, where you can get like 50% off your tickets right now. So if you go to Penhurst.com or whatever it is, get your tickets now for Pennhurst Paracon 2027, and we hope to see you there. This episode was brought to you by Ghost City Tours, your guide to the haunted side of history in over 25 cities nationwide. From restless spirits to unsolved mysteries, our tours bring the dead back to life. Book now for a haunted city near you at ghostcitytours.com. Be sure to subscribe to the Ghost City Podcast on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, and wherever you get your podcasts. And remember, stay spooky.
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