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Lit on Fire
Dungeon Crawler Carl, Book 1 by Matt Dinniman
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A death game with loot drops shouldn’t feel this human, but Dungeon Crawler Carl sneaks past your guard with jokes and then hits you with a mirror. We dive into the LitRPG’s wild premise—Earth flattened by aliens, survivors herded into a televised dungeon—and explore why Carl and Princess Donut work as more than a meme. Their bond isn’t comic relief; it’s the engine of a found family story about dignity, tenderness and the cost of staying human when survival is monetized.
We unpack how the book skewers late-stage capitalism and our culture of spectacle without turning into a lecture. From ratings agents who coach contestants on being “more entertaining” to a boss encounter that exposes how media flattens people into stereotypes, the satire lands because the characters care. Carl’s mantra—“you will not break me”—becomes a refusal to surrender empathy to an algorithm. We also dig into the ethical knots: NPCs with memories and personality, an AI that turns stat sheets into character, and the uneasy line between performance and personhood.
If you’re new to LitRPG, we cover the basics and why this one reads fast: punchy worldbuilding, action that moves, and humor that serves the story instead of smothering it. If you’re already deep in the fandom, we trade notes on the series scope, upcoming adaptations, and where to go next with recommendations that share Carl’s blend of heart and bite. Along the way, we celebrate the audiobook performance that brings every beat to life and talk about why a laser-eyed cat can carry more truth than a dozen “serious” novels.
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Welcome to Lit on Fire, the podcast where literature meets controversy, where banned books, silenced voices, and dangerous ideas refuse to stay quiet. From classrooms to courtrooms, novels to news cycles, we explore how stories challenge power, expose injustice, and ignite social change.
SPEAKER_01Our logo, a woman bound atop a burning stack of books, isn't just an image. It's a warning and a promise. A warning about what happens when voices are erased, and a promise that stories once lit are impossible to put out.
SPEAKER_00So if you're ready to question, to argue, to feel uncomfortable, and to think deeper, you're in the right place.
SPEAKER_01I'm Peter Wetzel.
SPEAKER_00And I'm Elizabeth Hahn.
SPEAKER_01And this is Lit on Fire.
What Is LitRPG
SPEAKER_00Welcome back to the podcast where we take genre fiction seriously because sometimes the most absurd stories tell the sharpest truths. Today we're descending into Dungeon Crawler Carl Book One, a wildly entertaining, profane, and darkly hilarious lit RPG that begins with the collapse of civilization and turns human survival into a live-streamed game show. On the surface, this is a story about Carl, his ex-girlfriend's cat donut, and a deadly dungeon packed with loot drops, boss fights, and stat sheets. But underneath the chaos and comedy is a brutal satire of our world. Late-stage capitalism taken to its logical extreme, where suffering becomes content, survival is monetized, and the powerful watch from the safety of luxury while others fight for their lives. This book may sound loud, ridiculous, and unapologetically unhinged, but it's also deeply political. It asks us to laugh, yes, but also to recognize ourselves in a society that rewards spectacle over empathy and survival over solidarity. So grab your health potions, hug your cat, and prepare to enter the dungeon, because this isn't just a game, it's a mirror. Okay, Peter, I think what we have to start with is explaining to our audience what lit RPG is, just in case they don't know.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so as the name suggests, it is literature with RPG elements, and RPG stands for role-playing games. So like Dungeons and Dragons, number of video game series like Final Fantasy and others, where you have these characters that you create and they have stats and they level up and they gain powers and they get loot and they just develop, they progress in strength over time. And so it is a story with those kinds of elements in it.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01LitRPG originally developed as a subgenre of science fiction in South Korea. However, the term wasn't coined officially until 2013 when a major publishing company in Russia coined it. And it didn't come to the United States until about 2015 when who we consider the father of Lit RPG, Alarin Khan, published his first book in his Chaos Seed series. So the genre has been around for 11 years now. It didn't just spring into being with Dungeon Crawler Carl. However, Dungeon Crawler Carl is bound to be a whole new fandoms gateway drug into the genre.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. Me included.
First Impressions And Fandom
SPEAKER_01Yes, you included. Me and one and myself as well, although now I have read many other lit RPG books and series that I absolutely love. But this is a great place to start.
SPEAKER_00It is. And it's so much fun. Like when you mentioned Dungeon Crawler Carl to me, I was like, what are those words you are speaking? And I am a Dungeons and Dragons kid, but you said that, and I was like, I'd how could someone make a whole series out of that? And what is that? And I'd never heard of Lid RPG. I didn't think that I'd like it, and I'm completely sucked in. So it's obvious your rating is going to be Oh, five out of five, ten out of ten, a hundred out of a hundred million. Yes. Yes. And mine is much the same. I was a hard sell on this. And Peter had to say to me, you know, you need to read this. And then he had to wear a bunch of t-shirts over to my house so that I could look at them and go, okay, what is the cat or the screaming goat or whatever else is going on? And I went, okay, now I have to try and read it. And I mean it took no time at all, and I was hooked, and I had my husband hooked, and we've been initiated into this cult that is.
SPEAKER_01It is really a cult. And we have the merch too to prove it. Yes, we do. This is a series that is so incredibly popular amongst its readers that I think it has like a 4.9 something on Goodreads. And the way I feel about it personally is that if if I see a a book talker saying they didn't like it or whatever, it's kind of like a deal breaker to me. Yes. It's like an instant unfollow. And I and I don't usually judge people's tastes in reading, but it's hard to think that that person could be a good human being who would not like this series.
SPEAKER_00I know. And that's even saying that if we're completely honest, this is an adult book. Yes. It has a lot of profanity and a lot of very adult, uncouth kind of commentary in it. I mean, it's gross, it's, you know, got jokes about sex consistently. There's a lot of stuff going on. But to say it was limited to that is so wrong. It is not only a great book with so many layers, it's hysterically funny at the same time. It keeps your attention. I am kind of uptight when it comes to certain jokes, and I do not have a problem with Dungeon Crawler Carl because it just grabs you and pulls you in, and the characters are so good that you just can't help but get hooked on it.
Humor Versus Horror
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And most of the jokes are there for a reason. The jokes are actually social comments. This is sad. Right. Yeah. And to me, it's the perfect balance of both an incredibly serious premise, incredibly serious scenario, and really funny. You know, you know, I laugh and I cry in every single one of these books because the thing that's going on, this horrible apocalyptic event of aliens coming and repurposing all the material on the planet in an instant, killing billions and billions of people, and then forcing the survivors down into a fight for their life. That's not funny at all.
SPEAKER_00No, it's not. If you start talking about that, you sound like you're describing a tragedy. It's an apocalyptic book. It's like one of these dystopian things, and it is dystopian.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00But then if you try to describe the humor, you sound like four-year-olds.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So this guy named Carl gets stuck out in the snow in his boxers and his girlfriend's pink crocs with her prize-winning award, Persian cat. I mean, Princess Donut, the Queen Anne chunk. They go into the dungeon together. She learns how to talk. She sees lasers from her eyes. I mean, it is absurd.
SPEAKER_00It sounds like you're crazy. It sounds like who reads this book and and enjoys it, but it is just multi-layered. The characters are amazing. And I just can't speak more highly of it. And I'm a literature teacher. Like I carried a copy of Shakespeare around for fun in high school. All right. These are the things I read. But this book is so well done, and the whole series is so well done that I just want Matt to keep writing forever so that I can just keep this series going so that I always have something to relieve my stress, make me laugh, and make me attach the characters.
SPEAKER_01Well, we have seven books out so far. The eighth one's coming out in May, and I think Matt said that it is a 10-book plan series. Sad that it's only going to be 10 books. We also have a TV series coming out produced by Seth McFarlane. So I think it's live action actually. We've got a graphic novel, we've got cartoons, we've got plenty, like I said, we have the merch. We have plenty to satisfy your dungeon crawler Carl fix.
SPEAKER_00And let me tell you, every person I've talked to recently that is into games or I know has kind of a nerd sensibility, if I will, for things like this. When they have come to me, like I had another teacher come into my room today, and he was like, Oh, this happened and this happened, and he was like, oh, and he was just expressing frustration. And I said, Dude, you need to read Dungeon Crawler Carl. And he was like, What? What did you just say?
SPEAKER_01It's therapy.
SPEAKER_00And I said, It is so therapeutic. I mean, as a high school teacher, I go home and my husband's a high school teacher, and the first thing we do is sit down and turn on the audio for Dungeon Crawler Carl. And I'm on my second way through all seven books. It is just a stress release, and I get something new every time I listen to them.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
Series Scope And Adaptations
SPEAKER_00So we need to talk about Carl and Donut and kind of the building of relationships in this story because I think that is really where you get drawn in. And then all of these social and political factors come in after that. But at the very base level, it is this beautiful story about found family and a man who is thrown into this situation with his girlfriend's cat. And then the cat starts to talk and becomes its own character. And there is this deep attachment and love formed between the two of them, even with all the humor on the surface. And then they find other people along the way that they draw into their group. And it's this really complex development of characters and relationships. No one is a throwaway in this. No. You may feel like there's a red shirt here and there. And if you're a Star Trek person, you know that reference. You may feel like that, but really no one is a throwaway character.
SPEAKER_01No, every death we feel emotionally.
SPEAKER_00Right. Even when they are quote unquote bad. Although when you think about this scenario, what this is is just what is your human reaction when you're thrown into this life or death survival situation. And we know that human beings react differently. Some people go to the extreme and become killers. And then people like Carl sit and go, I'm gonna protect my cat and then my partner, and then I'm going to protect as many people as I can.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Carl is very, very lucky to have Donut. And Donut is very, very lucky to have Carl because initially she is his reason to live.
SPEAKER_00Right.
Books As Therapy
SPEAKER_01The reason why he doesn't just give up right away, because he has the purpose of protecting her.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01And that's doubly so when she develops sentience and becomes part of his team. And then the relationship develops even further than that. And they really are a good foil for each other's personalities. Carl's can be very, very serious, and he's got to do the hard thing. And Donut is the one that is a bit flippant and sarcastic and impulsive, but she also keeps the move light, keeps giving him hope.
SPEAKER_00Right. And when Donut gets upset, he knows to reach out and stroke her and pet her and just have his hand on her, you know, and so that she feels him. And when he gets upset, she's so good about jumping up on his shoulder or his lap and rubbing against him and kind of doing those cat things. And by the way, if you're a cat lover, like that's the other layer to this book. I am a cat lover. And even when Donut is an absolute brat, to me, that's just a cat. Cats express your love to you by being one part disdainful and one part loving. You know what I mean? They're just kind of the way they look at you and the way they go about their business, you know, they need you one moment and then they're kind of, you know, giving you the side eye the next. So Donut's personality has definitely developed around that cat-like behavior, but also her childlike behavior because she's been very spoiled as a show cat and she really has no experience with the real world.
SPEAKER_01And she's only four years old.
SPEAKER_00And she's only four years old.
SPEAKER_01Even though she gives Carl a constant hard time, she genuinely loves him deeply. And I think she I think automatically she loves him. She just doesn't want to admit it.
SPEAKER_00Right.
Found Family: Carl And Donut
SPEAKER_01Right out the gate, she comes out really, really being cold to him, and he almost leaves her, and then she admits to him, No, I can't I need you. I can't do this without you. And the relationship that we have always meant something to me. And that was a really sweet moment. She is very, very good also at reminding Carl that no matter what he does to survive, he is at his core a genuinely good person. Right.
SPEAKER_00And she keeps bringing him back to that. Because in a situation like this, it would not be difficult to go crazy with all the things you have to do. And Carl is forced to kill, but he tries to be very careful about what he's doing, but he has no choice in this particular circumstance. And so that eats at him after a while. He knows the show wants to rob him of his humanity and he's determined to hold on to it.
SPEAKER_01And that's why he develops his mantra that he says to himself over and over again is a you will not break me, you will not break me, you will not break me. That's very important. Because that is what this corporation is intending to do to every human being that enters there is to break them of their humanity so that they become just for the entertainment of the galactic audience.
SPEAKER_00Right. And they even get, you know, agents that tell them how to be more entertaining so they can get more numbers at a certain point. And Carl's looking at this whole situation going, you've got to be kidding me. You want me to perform, and I am fighting for my life and trying to protect Donut and trying to protect the people around me that I have brought into my family, and I'm supposed to make your ratings better. That's where we get into the, you know, fuck you attitude that Carl has when it comes to what's going on.
SPEAKER_01Right. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00We really get into then the lack of empathy, the capitalism going on here with the money and all the things that are floating around. There's so many places we could start with this.
SPEAKER_01Consumer capitalism run rampant.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01That is what this is. On an extreme level, it is a macrocosmic version of the microcosm. That's really very much part of our culture. Is that the ability of social media and news and entertainment TV shows to dehumanize groups of people and turn them into stereotypes and expendable lives, essentially.
Humanity Under Pressure
SPEAKER_00And that is what happens here. And it is so relevant to our society today as we look at the social media and the news and the AI, the use of AI to get out things that are not real. We run into this situation where these aliens who have flattened Earth force the survivors into the dungeon. There are some survivors struggling to survive on the surface too, but force this dungeon experience if you wanted to be warm and not die. They are making Earth seem like the worst possible place to the intergalactic audience, making human beings seem like only criminals and destructive people, so that it is easier for the intergalactic audience to accept them as fodder for the dungeon. They grossly stereotype certain groups of people. And I think that's been some of the criticism that has been leveled at the book.
SPEAKER_01Right. Early on, they run across this boss called the Hoarder, and it's this very large Hispanic woman who's surrounded by trash and she coughs up killer cockroaches. And you might say, oh, that is an incredibly offensive stereotype that we're reliant upon for the humor. But it's also supposed to be horrific, and it's supposed to show how the Borrent Corporation is willing to dehumanize these people for their entertainment. And because the aliens only know what they know about Earth and human beings from the picture that they're being given by the corporation, they obviously don't know any better. And I think it's a way of portraying the power of the media as a propaganda tool. How as long as we are separated in our knowledge of other peoples, other continents, other cultures, then the media has the opportunity to paint that picture for us and turn them into murderers and rapists and thieves, and some of them are good people, I'm sure, right? And then we allow very unjust things to happen to these people because they are those people. They are those people.
Capitalism And Spectacle
SPEAKER_00They're the people those people that if they hadn't done this, you know, then that wouldn't be happening to them. But since they did, there it is. And that's what is done to the entire population of Earth in this. And going back to the hoarder for a second, my initial shock at the description of that boss monster matched some people that might find that offensive. But Carl is our conscience. And Carl does not think it's funny. He is appalled by what he's seen, and he struggles to finish that battle and kill the boss because he realizes this is just some poor woman that they took from the surface when they gathered all that organic material and they've exploited her and turned her into this gross, nasty stereotype so that people will watch and find it entertaining that she gets killed.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And I don't think the Borrent Corporation intended him to get a glimpse of that. Because it early on in the crawl, they have all these glitches, right? That they're fixing over and over again. And I really feel like her humanity must have been some kind of overlooked glitch because she is definitely in there. And she's saying And fighting to get out. She's saying, Ayudami, ayudami, you know, she just helped me in Spanish, and she's just she's terrified. Right. She's terrified. And Carl doesn't know what to do because he realizes this is a human being, but I have to But she's trying to kill me.
SPEAKER_00She's trying to kill me. The bugs coming from her mouth are trying to kill me, and they're trying to kill my cat, and I have no choice but to kill this thing.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00This thing.
SPEAKER_01And I think that was a mistake because it never happens again. Right. Every other boss or mob that he faces are fully integrated into the system. They believe they are what they are.
SPEAKER_00And that is his first glimpse of what's really going on, and he is horrified. And I think that early recognition really continues to form who he is as a crawler in that dungeon and the choices that he makes.
SPEAKER_01Right. And one of the defining characteristics about Carl is that he has an incredibly developed sense of empathy for other people. Yes. And I think that is largely due in part to his traumatic past. Because we learn early on that his father abandoned him and he was left to kind of grow up on his own and mature very, very quickly. And if that hadn't happened, I would find it very difficult to believe that Carl is a 27-year-old.
SPEAKER_00I still find it very difficult to believe that Carl is 27, but I understand where you're going.
SPEAKER_01Yes, it's an amazingly fast emotional development.
SPEAKER_00Right.
The Hoarder And Stereotypes
SPEAKER_01That alone only lends some believability to it, but I think he should be in his 30s or early 40s, even, especially because a lot of the humor is elder millennial.
SPEAKER_00Right. Or younger Gen X.
SPEAKER_01Or younger Gen X, right. And it's not like you have to be those generations to find this funny, but it uh it's obviously that Matt Deneman is pulling from his own kind of pop culture references and experience in his own age group. Which I love. Which I yeah, well, uh both of us are in there. That that is one a little strange aspect of Carl.
SPEAKER_00Right. Is that he has this really mature, developed conscience, empathetic nature, and then he also has this much more mature humor. Exactly. That goes on the whole time. Yeah. That is really what keeps you connected, though. Going back to him, is it's what keeps you connected to the humanity because Carl is hanging on to his humanity. And you're right, it's spurred from the trauma that he experienced and his desire to protect others because that was his emotional response. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01He's a nurturer because he didn't have that in his own life. So he I think that he tries to compensate for that by being a very protective person. Having a bit of a savior complex, actually.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01Watching his empathy extend from the cat to other crawlers, and then ultimately to the MPCs themselves and their exploitation by the board corporation, because he starts to realize that essentially there's a whole group that he runs into that are slaves.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01They are indentured servants to the corporation, including his trainer Mordecai, but also others that are put out there that he has to kill. They have completely established sense of self. They have a past, a present, and a future, and he sees them, he begins to see them as alive as well.
SPEAKER_00So Mordecai was a crawler. And there are a lot of other crawlers. In the dungeon that are serving as NPCs, he gets to know or he recognizes, and they are people like him who escaped with their lives but have now been put back in the situation in some capacity. And then you just have the NPC mobs that you were talking about, and maybe the shop owners and the barkeepers and people of that nature, and they're different creatures, but they have also been placed in there. They've been given a backstory.
SPEAKER_01Yes, they're creations of the AI, but they do not know they're in the game. Right. Which is very tragic.
Media, Propaganda, And Othering
SPEAKER_00Right. And they have their memory wiped in order to be reinserted and then killed all over again. Or whatever else happens to them. So there are a lot of moral and ethical questions surrounding that type of cruelty, what it is to dehumanize, what constitutes a living being that deserves to be protected. There's a lot. And the AI itself is a character in the game. One of the things that makes this game move forward is that with all the RPG elements, it becomes part of the story because the AI is a developing character.
SPEAKER_01He has such a personality.
SPEAKER_00In the book.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Right? And he drives things forward. And you get commentary from the AI, you get content from the AI, you get humor from the AI, and it is all part of that structure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. That was one of the brilliant things Matt Dinnerman did by creating a character out of all that information dumping that we get. Right. Because that could be a problem some people might have, especially if don't play RPG games, is like, okay, all these level ups and these achievements and these uh stats and stuff like that. It could get very boring, but it never does.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there is never really a dull moment in this book. You can get into fantasy books and have a lot of world building that becomes very tedious and the description is very, you know, long and drawn out, even though it can be beautifully written. But for Matt Deniman, he manages to get the description across to us, get the world across to us. I have this very clear visual of what's going on, and yet everything is action and dialogue and understanding of the characters and growth of the characters. As I'm listening to, which the audiobook is amazing, Jeff Hayes, awesome. As I'm listening to it, or as I'm reading it, I don't get bored at all. Back to the deeper layers of this book. We talked about capitalism going to the extreme. We talked about the dehumanization of people and how money really does drive not just the dungeon, but the entire intergalactic conglomerate that exists because this entire government is ruled by corporations gone to the extreme. They are gradually dissolving multiple planets along the way. Earth is just the latest one. So this is a giant, uncontrollable monster of a corporation that is going around and dissolving planets for the entertainments of others, creating these different dungeons every single year. Or every two and a half years. Or every two and a half years. We have a lot going on here. There's a lot of depth. And one of the things I think we need to realize as readers is we're provided the opportunity to laugh at some of these horrific things. But if we don't recognize these things in our own society, then we're not paying attention.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Right.
Carl’s Empathy And Backstory
SPEAKER_00This is a brutal takedown of the things going on in our society right now in a humorous, fantastical way, with a cat shooting lasers from her eyes. But in the end, it is the best type of satire. It is the satire that draws us in, allows us to laugh in some lighthearted moments, but really drives home the irony and the things going on in our culture that really do mirror the absurdity going on here.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. There are millions and millions of people that enter into the dungeon, but there's only one that ends up having the resistant nature, and that's Carl. That is our society in general, because in the face of such an impossible system, the easier decision is to conform.
SPEAKER_00Right. And Carl refuses to do so. And while he has to play the game, as he mutters under his breath or says or writes down, you will not break me, he reminds himself every single time that I may be playing this game, but I am resisting the outcome and I am working against it.
SPEAKER_01He performs, but he never conforms.
SPEAKER_00Yes. And that is what he has to learn to do, both in the dungeon and then eventually understanding the politics of what's going on around him on a larger scale. And he becomes that resistant force. And he draws other people, donut being one of them, to him, but he becomes catalyst for hope. Yes, and potential revolution. But ultimately that humanity, that compassion, that empathy, and that hope that he has to get on the other side and to make a difference. So we love this book. We hope that you will check it out, even if you thought initially or even think right this moment, I'm not sure. Give it a try and see what you think. And then, you know, if you set it to the side, you set it to the side. But I don't believe you will. I think you will get drawn in.
SPEAKER_01And I don't think we can recommend enough that you listen to the audiobook.
SPEAKER_00The voices and the way Jeff Hayes puts across the audiobook, it is amazing.
SPEAKER_01You won't believe that there's one man performing this entire cast of characters.
SPEAKER_00Right. It is so good. So good. Please try it. Please consider it. And whenever you're reading a book, even if it's a book like Dungeon Crawler Carl, look below the surface because there's always something there. And I think you wanted to share a couple other things with our audience.
NPCs, AI, And Moral Lines
SPEAKER_01Yeah, for those of you that have already read Dungeon Crawler Carl, but you're not sure about getting into other lit RPG series, what you might vibe with. There's a whole community of book talkers that hype the lit RPG and talk about the series. But the account that I want to recommend you go to is Ginger and the Foxes, because that's their whole platform, connecting people with authors and narrators and book talkers who talk lit RPG. And there's some great series out there. As a matter of fact, they're gonna do a buddy read this month, January 30th, 2026, of Discount Dan, which has a very similar vibe to Dungeon Crawler Carl and could make a good read for those that love this series. Also, putting myself here, I am on Book Talk as Peter Wessel reads, and I'm about to do a schmivaway, as we say on Book Talk, and the book that I am going to be giving away is an autographed copy of Dungeon Crawler Carl, the paperback. I have an autographed copy of the book that I'm going to include some other Dungeon Crawler Carl swag. I am going to hide the giveaway details at the end of one of my random videos. So you have to watch my videos to the end to get the details. But if you find it, you'll have an opportunity to enter to win. And I'll be announcing in the video the date that I'm going to choose the winner. But check me out if you'd like to get an autographed copy of Dungeon Crawler Carl.
SPEAKER_00Okay, Peter, so what are we going to talk about next time?
SPEAKER_01Next, I believe we're going to talk about The Road by Cormac McCarthy.
SPEAKER_00And I'm really excited about this one because I teach it to my AP literature students most years that I teach AP Lit. And you just finished reading it, so I think it's going to be a great combo.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, thinking about it right now is keeping me up at night. So there is a lot to unpack there. It's going to be a fascinating conversation. So tune in to that. You're going to want to hear all the things that we have to say.
SPEAKER_00All right, till then, keep reading, keep thinking, and we will talk to you again.