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S.L. Rowland - JordanCon Interview #3
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Cozy fantasy looks gentle from the outside, but the best of it cuts straight to the hard stuff: grief, identity, belonging, and the quiet fear of being remembered for the wrong thing. We’re live at JordanCon 2026 talking with author S.L. Rowland, creator of the Tales of Aedrea, about how he writes stories that feel like a warm room while still demanding real change from the characters inside it.
We dig into Rowland’s path from LitRPG to cozy fantasy, why Legends and Lattes helped unlock the “retired hero” idea for him, and how writing nine LitRPG books sharpened the deep worldbuilding that makes Adria feel lived-in. He breaks down what cozy fantasy means in plain terms, why personal stakes can be higher than any “save the world” plot, and how standalones in a shared universe let him chase fresh emotional angles book to book.
Then we stir the pot with his next swing: cozy horror. Think spooky, nostalgic vibes rather than gore, and a premise built around a retired adventurer, necromantic texts, and an aging dog he can’t bear to lose. We also talk arthritis awareness and his work with the Arthritis Foundation, plus a wild industry story about how he accidentally became “Author Steve Rowland” in Dungeon Crawler Carl. If you love character-driven fantasy, small business fantasy, and stories about legacy, this one’s for you.
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Live From JordanCon Introduction
SPEAKER_01All right, we are coming to you live from the chaos of creativity and absolute magic of Jordan Conn. So if you hear a little background noise, that just means we're exactly where we're supposed to be. And right now we've got a fantastic guest with us. Author S. L. Roland, whose work lives in that sweet spot between comfort and consequence.
From LitRPG To Cozy Fantasy
SPEAKER_02If you're into cozy fantasy, it still hits you with real emotional things. You've probably heard of the Tales of Adrian Zoom. It reminds us that sometimes the biggest battles aren't world-ending, they're personal. We're going to talk about his journey into writing and how he carved out a space in the cozy fantasy genre. And because we like to stir the pot a little here on Lit on Fire, his upcoming step into cozy horror. Yeah, we're gonna unpack that. So let's get into it and welcome S.L. Roland to the fire. It's Peter here, and Liz coming to you from JordanCon 2026, and we're sitting down with author S.L. Roland, author Steve Roland, and uh we're getting a chance to talk to him. If you have been listening to our other podcasts previously, we did two episodes talking about all four of his Tales of Adria books, and we're super excited to get to hear from the author himself. So, Steve, why don't you go ahead and uh give your basic introduction? What does the audience need to know about you?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I am S.L. Roland. I write Cozy Fantasy, the uh Tales of Adria, Cozy Fantasy series, as well as LitRPG, like Sentence to Troll, Pangea Online, and Path the Villainy. And this is my first ever JordanCon. So uh it's been a great time.
SPEAKER_02So uh you have uh been uh lit RPG author first and foremost, right? As as like your that was like what you started, right?
SPEAKER_00Yes, I started writing uh lit RPG, I think I want to say 2016 or 2017, and I wrote about nine lit RPG books before I wrote my first uh Cozy Fantasy.
SPEAKER_02And what made you uh go to the Cozy Fantasy Zong?
Defining Cozy Fantasy And Stakes
SPEAKER_00So uh I read a little book called uh Legends and Lattes, and the concept is that a uh an orc barbarian she retires and opens a coffee shop, and there was something about that that just really resonated with me, uh the like retired hero uh concept. And at the time I was uh working on Sinister Troll Book Five and had just been you know enraptured in that world for like five years at that point. And I had the idea for Cursed Cocktails, and the whole time that I was finishing up that other book, that world and those characters were kind of just you know married, marinating in the back of my mind. And so by the time I was ready to start working on a new project, I had a fully fleshed out world, and it was one of the easiest books I've ever written.
SPEAKER_01For our listeners who maybe don't know what cozy fantasy is, can you kind of define that for our listeners?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so cozy fantasy is basically it's like feel good fantasy. Um, you know, imagine Dungeons and Dragons meets like a Hallmark movie. Uh, you know, there's no world-ending stakes, everything's a little more personal to the characters, and you know you're gonna get a happy ending when it's all over.
SPEAKER_01Right. So some people might hear that and think, well, that's gonna be boring. We're used to like big conflict. But one thing I notice about your cozy fantasies is that while they can seem really cozy on the surface, there are some serious things that can be going on underneath the surface as well. Is that an intentional thing on your part when you're sitting down and writing, or do you think that just kind of emerges with the story, kind of some of those personal stakes that are in play?
SPEAKER_00I think it's a little bit of both. Uh, you know, one of the key elements of my cozy stories is that, you know, the main character is not the same person at the end as they started. Uh, you know, there's some sort of character growth, uh, you know, emotional growth. Something happens to where they're in a better place by the end. And like, you know, there those flaws and things that kind of you know keep them from having that cozy, happy life get resolved over the over the course of the novel. And I you know, I think those personal moments, while they may be low stakes in the overall world building, you know, they are high stakes to the character because you know it's their life. Right.
SPEAKER_02Right. Yeah, I feel like when I read cozy fantasy, one of the main themes that uh I appears over and over again are those high stakes. It's like the character is coming in and they're looking for one of three things. They're looking for themselves, they're looking for their place, or they're looking for their person, or all three at once. Yeah. And those are incredibly relatable. They're the actually the most relatable high stakes we can read in any book, I think, because we can't all relate to fighting a dragon, but I think we can all relate to wondering where we fit in, whether we've met ourselves really, whether we matter.
SPEAKER_01Or what we do after this big part of our life has ended and we're trying to figure out where we belong.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's it's kind of like you know, finding that human element in a fantasy world that really connects you to this place that you really have no grounding of.
Standalones In Adria Plus Cozy Horror
SPEAKER_02And one of the things that I think your Tells of Adria books does really well is approaches that from several different directions. I mean, in each book, you approach those kind of emotions differently. You know, and you can go ahead and explain kind of how you separated those kinds of plots in your own mind.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like one of the things that I that really appealed to me after writing a six-book series that just took up my entire life for six years was that like I wanted the freedom to write standalone stories in a shared universe to where I could jump from location to location, always have a new character, and when I finish another book, you know, there's nothing tying me down. Whatever story I want to write is the one I can go to. And you know, I kind of just follow those characters and see see where it takes me. Sometimes I have an idea, uh, you know, like for the Halfling's Harvest, I wanted to capture those Shire-like vibes. Um, for There Be Dragons here, I wanted to kind of push the boundaries and start a cozy fantasy with a funeral. Um and then now I'm working on a cozy horror to see, you know, how much how much of that I can bring into a cozy world.
SPEAKER_02And I know you're being asked this all the time, but cozy horror, that's gonna have to be explained as well for our listeners, because that sounds like a oxymoron.
SPEAKER_01Yes, very contradictory.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, in a way, uh, but it's not horror in the sense of you know, like gore or like scary, like fear-inducing. It's more of the aesthetic of horror. Uh so if you think like spooky things like uh Nightmare Before Christmas, Scooby-Doo, uh, you know, the 70s and 80s, like universal um horror like Frankenstein and The Wolfman, things like that. You know, it's more of that vibe of spookiness around like Halloween and things than you know trying to scare people.
SPEAKER_02Right. Can you tell us a little bit what that fifth book's gonna be about?
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah. So the premise is a uh an adventurer in his last quest uh defeating a uh a necromancer. Um he finds a bunch of necromantic texts that he kind of takes with him as his you know retirement gift. He also finds a puppy in the cave where the necromancer was. And you know, s the story starts 16 years later, and the puppy is well, now it's a very old dog, and this man is not quite ready to lose the pet that he's had for this time. And so he does what he can to make sure that his dog stays with him a little longer.
SPEAKER_02That's awesome. That's incredibly relatable. Uh, one of the things that I always think of how why we why we buy why we adopt pets? Because it's like I can pretend that my human friends and family are gonna live forever, you know, but I know that when I adopt an animal, it's like I'm also I'm adopting future grief into my life because there's a good chance I will be here to see and have to say goodbye to this friend. And I can totally relate to the to the idea of wanting to hold on to one of my dogs forever.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like I have a I have a dog, he's 14. Well, he'll be 14 in a couple months. So you're kind of staring that down. Uh yeah, I've had him since he was one, and like the past like two years or so, he's had a lot of like health problems with his eyes and stuff. So it's definitely it's been something that's been on the the forefront of my mind. Uh so I don't know. I felt it was an important story for me to tell personally, and you know, I'm about a quarter of the way through it, and it's it's it's been a lot of fun. Okay.
Grief Pets And Personal Inspiration
SPEAKER_02I think the most powerful stories are gonna come from a very personal place. So I'm I'm ex I'm really looking forward to seeing what you express in that book. Thank you. Yeah. Uh one of the most powerful of the Tales of the Tales of Adria series, I think, having read all four now, is the last one, the the There'll be dragons here. And I feel like that's coming from a very personal place too. Um I believe you you said uh like your grandmother was kind of an inspiration to you.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, I'm very my grandmother is probably the closest person, you know, my closest family member. Uh she kind of she was always there for me growing up, and we've even gotten even closer as as as I became an adult. And I think while she's not a direct representation of of the grandmother in There Be Dragons here, uh it's definitely that connection is there. And you know, I wanted to tell a story about those kind of familial bonds. Um because we do get a lot of found family in Cozy Fantasy. And for this one, I wanted to tell a story that of someone who has already had their adventuring days and who has settled into a new life of being the grandmother that she's very happy with, but that she can have those multiple parts of her and not necessarily have them be separate from one another. You know, she can be the grandmother and the adventurer, she can, you know, bake pies and go on quests and just experience every part of her, even in her old age.
SPEAKER_01I'm the mother of five, and every time my children ask me, you know, which one of us is your favorite, I tell them I have no favorites. And maybe, you know, your books are kind of the same way, but I'm gonna ask you anyway. Um, in the Tales of Adria, do you have, like, do you put them in an order? Is there one that's particularly nostalgic to you, or one that you think this was this is my favorite of the group that I wrote?
SPEAKER_00They all have uh something different that really appeals to me. I mean, I think Cursed Cocktails will always have a special place because it was the the first one that I wrote. It does share a lot of, you know, I base the blood magic off my own experiences with an autoimmune disease. Uh so that was very personal. Uh but I think I had a lot of fun writing Derby Dragons here. So I think those two are probably at the top for me. Um, but any day it could change.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I've seen you share that before in in some of your own posts, and I did not make that connection when I read it, but now it's got a whole new depth to me. Yeah. Um speaking of which though, you so you also are involved in some charities that are very important to you. Do you want to talk a little bit about that?
Arthritis Advocacy And Capitalism In Fantasy
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah. So I am uh this year I am the uh adult honoree for the walk to cure arthritis in uh the St. Louis chapter. Uh it's sponsored by the uh Arthritis Foundation. Uh so every year they do a walk, uh multiple walks. I think there's you know a couple dozen of them all across the country on different dates. Uh but basically it's to raise awareness for arthritis. Um, you know, a lot of people think it's just you know it's an old person thing where it affects your bones. Uh but you know, there's so many different uh types of arthritis. Like I have an inflammatory arthritis, uh, which is a type of autoimmune disease. Um, you know, there's juvenile arthritis, which affects a lot of kids, uh, rheumatoid arthritis. So it's really it's about you know raising funds and and raising uh awareness at the same time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I have several students with arthritis, and it's a very real thing. Yes. That they're dealing with all the time. So it is not just an old person disease. Um you sat on a panel the other day. I think you were on the panel about capitalism, and I'm am I right?
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, cozy fantasy and capitalism. Yes.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so a lot of people look at fantasy in general, fantasy as an escape. And I think we really look at cozy fantasy as an escape because we don't have to risk those high stakes. But I know we went into that panel and we had the cozy fantasy and capitalism and and looking at that. Um, do you look at your fantasy as an escape as an escape, or are you really trying to address some real world issues, like when you tackle some of those situational things? I know we talked about the personal stakes, but like the capitalism panel, you know, as you were sitting in there, what are your thoughts on those things?
SPEAKER_00Um, I think it's you know it's a bit of both. Uh, because like capitalism in fantasy, you know, it does mirror the real world. Um and it's like I s I said in the panel, like I don't think people necessarily hate the idea of capitalism itself. They hate the unchecked capitalism where people can rise to the top and you know stomp on everyone else in order to get there. And in Cozy Fantasy, I think we see it through a different lens of you know people being able to follow their passions. Um, because like not everyone wants to be a writer or an artist. You know, some people enjoy hospitality, you know, some people want to, you know, make drinks or coffee and you know, see how others enjoy that. You know, there's nothing necessarily wrong with you know wanting to to run run your own business and you know be self-employed.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And you know, I think that is that's a lot that's a dream for a lot of people. And that's why, you know, a lot of people who get older and have uh you know more resources, they're able to to follow their passions and open their business later in life as well.
SPEAKER_01Well, and I love the fact that in Cursed Cocktails, for instance, you have the retired adventurer who's able to open the bar and has the resources to open the bar and then turns around and employs the child who has no resources.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, which is kind of this beautiful picture of someone who has the resources who then reaches out to those that don't. And then when we look at Half-Lead Harvest, we have the small vineyard owner who wants to preserve the family business and do things that traditional way in this very community-based way. And then we have almost the vineyard conglomerate who, you know, is trying to take over, who has no love for it. And so I see these very clear kind of, you know, messages along those lines in your books, which I love, you know, that I think that really speak to that aspect of what you're talking about, that it's not the evils of owning a business or making a living or having that small business, but it's the direction that it can go where it becomes, you know, almost, I don't know, cruel in the way it treats other people, you know, when some just rise to the top and leave others behind. But I like I like those moments that are painted in the book where it's communities helping each other in a yeah.
Legacy Themes And Future Story Plans
SPEAKER_00I think like with business ownership in a fantasy setting, uh, to make it feel cozy, like you can't have the the worry be about the money or you know, be about losing their business. You know, it's about the joy that that business brings.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they just want to you know share their love of whatever whatever their job is with with other people.
SPEAKER_02One of the overarching themes that I love about Tales of Adria also is legacy. Like, you know, what each one really deals with what I want people to remember me for, you know, and some of them are are dealing with the real possibility that they might be remembered for the worst thing or their biggest shame or whatever, like Gaubin, for example. He believes that you know he's got this guilt that he carries, you know, and he doesn't he wants to change the course of his life and kind of uh make up for this wrong that he thinks he's done to by by uh holding himself responsible for losing his friend, right? Yeah. And then uh not in cursed cocktails, it's it's not only uh what Roran? Rorin, yeah. Rorin, yeah. Uh what Roran is now gonna do with the rest of his life and where he's gonna find his peace, but also the legacy that his father's left behind for him in the form of this journal. Yeah. And then, of course, the passing on of the adventure life and there'll be dragons here, and then, like you said, the father and and the daughter and the winery. Um and and sometimes we don't know the answer to that question, not even going in. Rorin doesn't, right? Right. He has really no clue where he's going next. And he discovers that in relationship to other people, really. I thought that was interesting. That he found a passion in somebody else, and he let him lead him to where he's going. Anyway, I'm I'm monologuing here, but it's it's things like it's powerful things like that that cozy fantasy really speaks to. And I think that's why I'm falling in love with the genre. And now you said that you are kind of you're gonna sit here. You're gonna this is where you're kind of as a writer, gonna stay for a while.
SPEAKER_01That's what I was gonna ask. Is this now your genre? Is this where you found your place?
SPEAKER_00Uh in a way, yes. I think, you know, I've my natural storytelling gels really well with the cozy fantasy genre, and the way that I write stories resonates with the readers, I think, because of that. And so, like, I definitely I see myself continuing to to write cozy fantasy, but I also want to explore other types of stories in the same world because I've created such an epic, vast world of Adria. And, you know, we're we're in the most modern timeline of of that where you know things have become more unified and it's a more cozy world. But there are several ages that I've created in the past where things are a little darker, you know, where it's all kind of coming together. And I would like to explore those in time, you know. So, like going back to the behemoths and things like that, you know, more epic storylines, maybe a a grimdark one here or there. You know, I just want to see really what this world has to offer.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02That's a fantastic world, fantastic fascinating world. Um, and you know, we would go back to the basics. I don't think we've asked you what made you want to be a writer.
Becoming A Writer Through Indie Publishing
SPEAKER_01We're like thinking on the same way right now. Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh well, I I always enjoyed uh reading. You know, that was kind of my escape growing up. And I love the idea of of being a writer. I just I never had the skill set growing up. Um then I got to college and I thought I was gonna be an English teacher. Uh that's what I got my degree in. And you know, I did a semester of student teaching, and I just really found it like it wasn't it wasn't for me, it wasn't my passion. Um, and so like while I was in college, I did a couple of like short stories through like various classes, but like my my degree was never really in writing, it was more in like literature and like being able to teach that. Um so after I graduated, I waited tables for 10 years, and you know, finally, I think it was when I was like 27, I said I'm just gonna sit down and try to write a novel. And so I did that, and it was my first one, and it was it was not very good, but it kind of showed me that I could at least write a full story.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00And uh a couple of years after that, I discovered indie publishing, and uh lit rpg was like really gaining traction at the time. And like I'd always been a huge gamer, and I love like the idea of including stat bot blocks and uh you know just really delving into the world building aspect of that. And so that's how I got started, you know, indie publishing. And I think writing so many litRPG books and really focusing on the world building aspect uh helped me when it came to writing the world of Tales of Adria, because you know, uh one of the things people constantly compliment me on is how deep the world building is and you know how it feels like a DD campaign. And I think that's something that you know writing those two genres kind of gels together in a way.
SPEAKER_02So uh wait a minute. Uh when I think of your body of work, I think Angia online, Sentence to Troll Tells of Adria. Is there this novel you talk about that wasn't very good? It never saw the light of day?
SPEAKER_00It did, but it got it got unpublished. Uh so it was it was a post-apocalyptic uh like zombie fiction. I was really into Walking Dead at the time. A lot of the short stories that I first wrote were like zombie type uh apocalypse stories. And so I I I wrote this one, uh, I published it. Uh it did okay, but then as I started writing uh more lit RPG, uh, you know, it wasn't really with my brand. And also like I was able to recognize that the writing quality wasn't really where I wanted it to be. Uh so you can still see it on the my Amazon page called uh Land of the Dogs.
SPEAKER_02Uh I like that title.
SPEAKER_00I think there may be like 20 print copies in the world. Uh you know, maybe sold a couple hundred of the the ebook. Yeah. Uh but it's you know it's very limited.
The Dungeon Crawler Carl Name Story
SPEAKER_02Okay. Is it anything you'd revisit or have in ways have you like by pulling elements from it?
SPEAKER_00Uh I've I've revisited it a couple of times to try and you know see if I could polish it up, but uh I don't I don't think it'll ever see the light of day again. Okay.
SPEAKER_01It's something to leave in the past. But I like zombies, I like them. That kind of thing. So yeah, I was into The Walking Dead for a long time too.
SPEAKER_02So I think that we need to address the elephant in the room, which is the fact that the shirts that you're both you and I are wearing right now has a list of things of fantasy strippers. Anaconda Anaconda, Damascus Still, Dong, Coyote, Gluteus Max, Splash Zone, and a strangely named one, author Steve Rowland. And if our listeners are familiar with that list, that's uh the strippers from the Desperado Club in uh Matt Denniman's Dungeon Crawler Carl. Yep. So uh author Steve Rowland happens to be who we are talking to right now, and I think our listeners want to know how on earth did that happen. I get the troll because sentence to troll, right? Yes. Yes. Otherwise, though.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I think at this point, you know, with the success of Matt's book, probably more people have heard of author Steve Roland than S.L. Rowland. You know, at least in passing. Um but yeah, so Matt and I are are pretty good friends. Um I've known him since I first we both started writing Lit RPG right around the same time. Um and then we we met in Vegas, uh, I want to say 2020 or 2021. Uh it was the first one after the pandemic. Um and you know, we had a night out out drinking and kind of been been friends ever since. Uh but it was a few years ago on Twitter, Matt made a post and he was asking for name suggestions for strippers.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00And he listed a few that he already had, like Anaconda and like Don Quixote and Gluteus Max. And so he wanted he wanted some other suggestions. And I was kind of joking around and I was like Steven Rowland. And I didn't think anything else of it. He got a couple likes, but like, you know, there was no uh response or anything. And then a couple couple weeks go by and I start getting these Facebook messages of people telling me that I'm such a good dancer and asking if I like Billie Eilish. And they were reading along to the advanced chapters on Patreon. And so that that's how I I I figured out that I was uh you know a troll stripper in the book.
SPEAKER_02That has to have had quite a an effect on your career. I mean, I I I know it's why I picked up your book immediately.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, it's you know, it's one of those like fun little Easter eggs when people like research it and find out I'm an actual author. And you know, my cozy fantasy is kind of at the very opposite end of the spectrum of uh Dungeon Crawler Carl. Um but you know, there's some crossover in those those reader bases, you know. Dungeon Crawler Carl will break your heart, and then you know you can read a cozy fantasy and pick up the. You feel better. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's right. That's right. Well, I know I had to detox from some pretty intense literature, distressing high-stakes stuff we'd been reading, and then I turned around and read your books. And I was like, Oh, this is nice.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. I feel good. I'm a I'm a huge fan of Dungeon Crawler Carl, so it's like it's it's pretty cool to you be a part of the lore and you know, to be able to meet other fans who uh want to come and you know talk about Carl and Donna and and all that good stuff.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
Cozy Fantasy Recommendations And Wrap
SPEAKER_02Besides your own series, of course, and uh Dungeon Crawler Carl, who would you say everybody needs to read?
SPEAKER_00Uh, if we're talking cozy fantasy, uh, you know, Travis Baldry was the one who inspired me to to write Cursed Cocktails. Uh I love his stuff. I just love his narrative voice. Um there's a a little cozy fantasy that I don't really hear recommended a lot. It's called Bard City Blues. Uh it's about this like uh country girl who goes into the city to become a musician and ends up working part-time at a little pub where there's a gelatinous cube that washes the dishes, and uh it's really it's just a fun little uh cozy story.
SPEAKER_01Awesome. Awesome. We'll have to check that out. A gelatinous cube washing dishes sounds kind of fun. I need one of those in my kitchen. Oh yeah. All right. Well, we appreciate you talking to us. This has been awesome, and I have absolutely loved your books, and I'm so excited about this cozy horror idea. I'm excited about your book, and I'm really excited about Marshall Moore's book, too. I just this cozy horror thing is making me happy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we're gonna bring in the cozy horror wave starting in September.
SPEAKER_01It's the new wave of cozy fantasy, cozy horror.
SPEAKER_02You have to uh you put that on a t-shirt somehow.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I expect a new t-shirt. Plus, I gotta get this one, clearly, because left out.
SPEAKER_00Marshall and I have talked, and you know, we're gonna do some cross-promoting when uh both of our books are coming out.
SPEAKER_01So definitely. When is yours gonna be out, by the way?
SPEAKER_00Uh, you know, when I finish it. Uh but I'm about a quarter of the way through. So I imagine I'll wrap up the first draft probably around July. You know, and give me a couple months to kind of polish it up.
SPEAKER_01So we might expect about the same time as Marshall.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that should should be. That's that's a wonderful. Uh my birthday's in September, so yeah, give me a good birthday.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, just just make sure it's in line with his birthday and it's all good. I'll do what I can. Awesome. Well, I guess we're all going to dinner now. So thank you so much for talking to us and we'll get back to reading your books soon.
SPEAKER_00Thanks for having me.