Dad Bod of Horror
Join seasoned horror enthusiast, Butch, as he dives deep into the chilling world of horror cinema, from timeless classics that defined the genre to obscure gems lurking in the shadows. Each episode uncovers the artistry, scares, and stories behind both vintage masterpieces and bold new independent horror films that demand your attention.
Dad Bod of Horror
Don’t Go in the Room… Or the Woods… Or the Teachers’ Lounge
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Hey everyone, it’s your old pal here on Dad Bod of Horror. This week I’m sitting in my chair with a soda and talking through three horror flicks that stuck with me.
We kick things off with Stanley Kubrick’s The Shining (1980) — that slow-burn masterpiece where Jack Nicholson loses his mind in the Overlook Hotel. Then we roll into Pumpkinhead (1988), a gritty ’80s creature revenge story that’s got that raw backwoods feel. And finally, I dig into the nasty little indie slasher Teacher Shortage (2020), which takes all the stress of being a teacher and turns it into straight-up bloody chaos.
If you’ve seen any of these or just want to hear an old man rant about classic scares and modern bloodbaths, grab your headphones and join me.
Tune in, folks. And don’t forget to lock the doors… especially if you’re a substitute teach
Welcome to Dad Bot of Horror. I'm Butch Bar, your host. Still no co-host. And welcome to season one, episode 24. So I will start this episode with some uh housekeeping. Cuz I haven't done some of this stuff in a while, so I thought I would go over it again. I am located on Twitter or X as they call it at Dad Bot of Horror. I am also on Instagram at Dad Bot of Horror, so feel free to stop by and say hi. I also want to remind everybody out here to support independent horror. You can do that by crowdfunding platforms like Kickstarter, Indiegogo, Seed and Spark, and WeFunder. If you think that stuff is too difficult to figure out how to do, it's not. If I can figure out how to do it, anybody can. I know there are a lot of movies on those platforms, and quite frankly, some you can you know donate as little as a dollar. But in other instances, you can donate donate more, get your name on a special thanks, or get a copy of the DVD or Blu-ray, or even pay to get your picture in the movie. My pictures and some of them. I mean, a lot of them have a lot of options. If you're a music, if you're a musician, you make music, you can pay to have your music put in the movie. You can pay to act in the movie. It all depends on the movie and the uh the person who set up the crowdfunder, what they're looking for. You can also support these movies uh on uh by watching them on the free streaming services like Tubi, Pluto, Plex, stuff like that. From what I understand, this is from the internet. So from what I understand that, you know, as the movie goes on on those services, the reason they're free is because there's commercials. And the producers of those movies get a cut of the commercials, a cut of what the platform gets for someone watching those commercials. And so, like, I'll put a movie on and and and go walk away and do some stuff, and you know, maybe sit and watch a little bit, then go and go do some more stuff. And lately, so we have we have dogs, and so we usually put music on for the dogs listen to while we're not at home, but we've gotten in the habit of uh basically putting Tubi on and just leaving it on. So hopefully that's helping to get some of these independent horror movies made because I really enjoy independent horror movies. So I also wanted to talk about since the last episode, I've actually seen three horror movies. Now I usually get reviews for them if they're newer movies. I mean, if I saw something from 1982 for the first time, I'm not gonna kind of review it here because well, it doesn't make sense to me to do that. But uh, well, I'll start with the first one, Lee Cronin's The Mummy from uh 2026. It's a good movie. I liked it. It's weird, it's a lot different than any other mummy movie I've ever seen. Yeah, but weird is I think the best way to describe it. I give it uh seven out of ten stars. Then I saw Red Riding, also from this year. It's uh it's kind of a different take on the whole uh Little Red Riding Hood and and Werewolf or Wolf type uh fable. It's interesting. I gave it six out of ten, so that kind of lets you know it's it's above average. Um and it's an independent movie, so it you know really wasn't bad for for you know, I'm sure what the production, you know, what what what the amount of money they use. So and then last is called Faces of Death from also from this year. Now, remember many of you older people remember Faces of Death as those VHS tapes that were you know banned in this country and that not and showing different death scenes. So this movie is a very good concept. So there's a serial killer who is killing in the style of the deaths on Faces of Death videos, which is a great idea. It just the their their their execution of it was was poor. Like parts are rushed, like oh, we figured out who it is already. Well, that was quick and easy, and and a lot of the writing was just poor. A lot of things didn't make like dumb things, like I won't get into it. That's not what this is about. Part, but I think parts are rushed. I think the writing wasn't great. I give it five out of ten. And if I ever end up having to talk about this as actually part of the show, I'll get into the other things I didn't really care for about the movie and really get into it. So, speaking of movies, I really want to talk about, we're gonna start them now. So, movie number one for season one group, episode 24, is the movie The Shining from 1980. You can only buy or rent it on Prime. Production companies were Warner Brothers, Hawk Films, and Peregrine. The director is Stanley Kubrick. The writers were Stephen King, Stanley Kubrick, and Diane Johnson. Stars Jack Nicholson, Shelly Duval, and Danny Lloyd. Much easier names to pronounce than when I did the South Korean films. Plot. A family heads to an isolated hotel for the winter where a sinister presence influences the father into violence. At the same time, his psychic son sees horrifying forebodings from both the past and the future. So why this movie? With me recording this today, which is a Saturday, tomorrow's Father's Day. So I wanted to do movies that uh fathers were a big part of it, and uh the father who was played by Jack Nicholson in this is a big part of it. How did I see it? I don't think I actually saw this movie until a few years ago. Like I saw bits and pieces of it, but it always seemed kind of a drag. So maybe five, ten years ago, I sat down and watched it. Maybe it was longer ago. Was that it might be longer than that? I think I had read the book, and then they did like a TV like miniseries, which I watched, and then I think I watched this movie. Um see, I'm not a Nicholson fan. I'm not a Jack Nicholson fan, which is probably what made me not watch it for such a long period of time. So my favorite kill, there's only one kill in the entire movie, which may be why I didn't care for the movie. As I mean, why I didn't watch the movie at that time, but I guess I wouldn't have known that. My favorite would be uh basically a person gets an axe to the chest. So this is based on a Stephen King novel, which I read and I would suggest the the novel is much better than the movie, which normally is so. I would have to say I think the movie's like more eerie than it is scary. So like I don't think there's like jump scares. I don't think there's like you know, I I don't know. It's it's it's just not that way. It's kind of you just have this really uneasy feeling while everything's happening, while things are going on, it's like and I think the music and the different sounds that they have really really help like flesh and move out and give it that tension that I'm talking about. So the idea behind the the movie, and and you got a little bit in the plot, but basically there's a family that's watching this huge hotel as caretakers for five months during late fall and winter. The the movies, the the the hotel's called the Overlook, I believe, in the movie. And they basically shut down because the cost of keeping everything heated, keeping the roads clean, doing all that kind of stuff. Uh, it doesn't make it worth it because, and and and at some parts, because it's in it's in Colorado, like you just get so much snow you can't get the roads cleared, and so they said it's just less money for them to pay people to watch it over those months versus having guests there. So it's just the three of them in this big hotel, mom, dad, and son, and the the the father, played by Nicholson, is slowly succumbing to the evil that is in the hotel. And meanwhile, his son, who is gifted with the title of the book, The Shining, sees what has happened in the hotel before and some things that will happen. And uh the son's very young, like six. You know, watching the movie, I like to refer to myself as somewhat of a hermit. I like staying in my house. And, you know, I'm watching this, and and I just keep thinking, like, if it was 1980, I would probably hate it. Because there's nothing to do. I mean, once the first snow comes, you're kind of just stuck there. Granted, it's a huge hotel, but like this is 1980. There's no streaming, there's no hell, up there, there's probably no cable. I mean, there's maybe laser discs then. I don't think VHS were that popular then.
SPEAKER_00So there's like, you can read and run around, and that's about it. That's gotta be boring. Like, if it was now, hell yeah. If they had stream, if they had a signal up there for for for Wi-Fi and whatnot, oh yeah, I that would be the best.
SPEAKER_01So wonder to think about it. Would you guys be able to handle that? This movie has you know a ton of these like memorable lines, like all work and no play makes Jack and Doll boy, uh, Wendy, I'm home, here's Johnny, and Red Rum, Red Rum. And and a lot of the sequences in this is as well as you know that that kind of dialogue, they're used in so many other movies. Um, they're so like cliche anymore, but but but this is the originator. So, I mean that just tells you how good it is. I mean, you have all a lot of copycats, yeah, a lot of people, let's say it nicely paying homage to this movie with with using the lines or using the the situations, but yeah. There, so Scat McCruthers is in it. Scatman Cruthers, great actor. Plays, I gotta guess his name is Dick Halloran. And and he is the cook of the place. So during their season, he's the the the cook there, but of course he's not gonna be there because it's gonna be the caretakers, but he meets him all, he talks him, and he realizes his little boy has the same power he has, what his, I think grandmother called the shining. So they can actually communicate with each other without talking, and they feel the same presence in the hotel. Now, Dick Callor in Cal Car uh character, excuse me, is also in the TV show Welcome to Dairy, which was out last year, and hopefully there's more seasons. He was much younger in that, you know, it's not Scatman Crothers, much younger actor. But anyway, so Scatman Cruther's character tells the boy, listen, if things start to happen, which they might, you let me know and I'll come up and help. I'll save you. So things go awry. He uses his special shining power to contact Scatman, and Crothers comes running. But he doesn't really save him. He shows up, looks for the boy, and takes an axe to the chest and dies. I just it was just silly. Like I liked him in the beginning to go over, but there was no reason for the rest of it. It's it's different in the book. So maybe they thought they needed to put it in, even though it's it's different in the book. So one of the more famous uh parts of the movie is uh Jack Nicholson is is looking for his wife and son, and he starts chopping down doors with an axe. So uh the prop department, knowing he had to do this, were making these like light, thin doors for him to break. Uh, but Nicholson had been a volunteer fire fireman, so he tore through the doors really quickly. It just looked so fake that prop had to actually get real doors, real sturdy doors to use to make it look as hard as it should be to chop down a door. And in the filming of that that particular scene, he ended up chopping about 60 doors. So good for him. Danny Lloyd, who played the uh the child, the son, was six years old at the time, and Stanley Kubrick, the director, did his most to shield him from all the horror elements. He actually thought he was making a family drama. When he eventually saw the movie as a teenager, he realized that it was a horror movie. He had no idea before then. And before locking in Jack Nicholson, Kubrick uh heavily considered De Niro, Robert De Niro, Robin Williams, and Harrison Ford for the lead role. He uh eventually rejected De Niro because uh he saw him in Taxi Driver and felt he wasn't psychotic enough. And he also passed on Robin Williams because he felt his comic comedic energy on Morgan Mindy made him appear too psychotic. And you'd think Harrison Ford would be right in the middle, but I don't know why they didn't use Harrison Ford other than he was probably filming a Star Wars or Indiana Jones movie at the time. Now Kubrick was a director, amazing director, you know, um, amazing director, and and actually uh, you know, a good writer also. And um, I went through his IMDB page and I was surprised by some of the movies that he directed. Only because they were before I was born, and I didn't realize that Kubrick had been around directing that long. Um, he did uh Paths of Glory from 1957, which is an excellent movie. You should see it. It has Kirk Douglas in it, great movie. As well as Spartacus, I didn't think about this, which also I believe has Kirk Douglas in it. Um, from 1960. Awesome. Excellent movie. Both those are excellent movies. See him if you can't. But again, I didn't realize that they were Kubrick movies because I didn't realize like that he was that old and had been directing that long. Now, the movie also stars Jack Nicholson, who, I mean, let's face it, if you haven't heard about Jack Nicholson, you've been living under a rock or in some commune that has no outside communications with anything. And also Shelly Duvall, who's an amazing actress, uh, been in a lot of stuff. Um, you'd see her what I mean. She really does. She played olive oil in the horrible movie Popeye from the 80s. She looks like olive oil, she really does. Like they really only thing they had to do, I think, was to put her ears back. I'm put her ears back, put her hair back in a ponytail, and she was olive oil. She really is olive oil. So I will now move on to movie number two in season one, episode 24, which is Pumpkin Head from 1988. You can find it on Pluto TV, Roku Channel, and Toobie Toobie. The production companies were De Laurentis Entertainment Group, or D E G, and Lion Films. It was directed by Stan Winston. The writers were Ed Justin, Mark Patrick Carducci, and Stan Winston. It stars Lan Lan Lance Hendrickson, Jeff East, and John Diachino. The plot, after a tragic accident, a man conjures up a towering vengeful demon called Pumpkinhead to destroy a group of unsuspecting teenagers. By the way, Pumpkinhead's head does not look like a pumpkin. That is very misleading, I should say. So, why this movie? So the man who conjures up the terror, towering vengeful demon, is a father. His son gets killed, and he summons this horrible, vengeful demon. How did I see it? I do remember watching this on HBOR Cinemax when I was younger. Came out in 88, so I was already 17 at the time, so it was probably sometime around there. 17, 18, 19. Years old for me, that is. I don't remember much about the experience. I remember watching it. I remember the beginnings, and I remember stuff going on, of course, and then I remember the ending in the cabin. I remember that. Those are the things I remember about the movie from when I first watched it. Favorite kill. I don't think there are any favorite kills in this that stand any kills that stand out because basically pumpkin head kind of gets you, takes you off screen, and then next thing you know you're dead. So the beginning of this movie is really good. It kind of introduces you to the pumpkin head myth without telling you that's what it is. You know, it gives you the pumpkinhead lore type stuff. And then after that, there's this great, you know, back and forth exchange, and now you're with Lance and his son. You can see they're alone, you can see what they mean to each other, which really helps feed into like the bond that they have, and then when his son is lost, like why his dad goes crazy enough to uh try to summon a demon. Now, this is one of these movies where it's hard to know who you want to root for. So his son gets killed by these 20-somethings that show up near his house. Um, it's like in a hilly, like very plainsy kind of area, lots of dirt, lots of hills. So these guys are jumping around, shouldn't see planes, so there's lots of hills. But these guys have dirt bikes and they're riding around and they're drinking, they're having a good time, and and you know, not paying attention to any type of safety. And and the boys are with the dog, and and the father tells them to take the dog inside, and then the dog gets out, starts running around, the boy's chasing the dog, and some one of the guys on the motorcycle on a motorbike hits and kills the kid. And then like panics, packs, and and takes off. One of the guys stays behind because he feels guilty, and there's another couple that you know want to help try to and try to go get help and everything like that. So the father finds the boy dead, knows who did it, and gets goes to an old woman in the woods that resurrects pumpkin head to kill the the kids, the the 20 somethings. And I mean, they were. I mean, I granted, it was an accident. I mean, but the boy was still alive, like after he hit him. But because it took so long to get help because they were trying to keep it quiet, that he ended up dying. And then the guy that did it, of course, had been drinking, so that's not good. And then when people are trying to get help, he's threatening them, beats him up, throws him in the room, you know, basically kidnaps the people trying to get help. That doesn't help. So you're like, yeah, that I'm okay with that guy getting killed by Pumpkin Head. Now, the problem is Pumpkin Head's killing some of the ones that didn't do anything were trying to help, but still, I was a big fan of Pumpkin Head killing that guy. Like, and the problem was people trying to stop Pumpkin Head getting in his way and he having to kill them too. So there are horror movies out there where sometimes you're you're they don't want you to root for the bad guy, but they're creating an instance or creating a situation where you want to. There was this really good movie called Law Abiding Citizen. It was really good up until the end. And it was uh Gerard Butler and Jamie Foxx. Gerard Butler plays a really brilliant guy and pretty well off, and he his wife, his uh, his house gets broken into, he gets subdued by the two guys that do it, and then there's two guys rape and kill his daughter and and wife. And instead of getting justice for them, Jamie Foxx, as an up-and-coming prosecutor, has the one guy, one of the bad guys, basically turn on the other one and basically get off with nothing, no type of punishment, and the other one gets death row. Well, that doesn't sit well with Georg Butler, and Jamie Foxx led the deal, the judge let it go, and you know, everybody was oh, everybody's all okay with this. Yeah, that's that's the way to do it. You know, we're we're gonna get you justice for one of them because we don't want to try to get justice for two. Well, kind of ticks off Butler, and he's a brilliant guy and a rich guy. So he gets his vengeance on everybody. The guy that was on death row, when they put him down with a needle, he the he does not go quietly into that good night. And then he gets the other guy, and and believe me, he does not go quietly into that good night. And eventually they figure out they kind of know it's him. But they can't put it on him because he's so bright, and the way these are getting done that they don't really have evidence on him. And it's just this this I shouldn't even say cat and mouse because it's all cat. I mean, they I mean, maybe it's all mouse. I don't know how to look at it like that. But like Gerard Butler's just getting the better of him, and he only they only get what he gives them. But at the at the at the end of the movie, he ends up getting killed. He doesn't get all of his vengeance, and I felt empty. I was totally on his side, and I think that's why the movie didn't do well. I think everybody in that theater was empathetic towards him, and then when he doesn't get his justice at the end of the day, they're like, Well, this is BS, this is a terrible movie, kind of thing. So I think this movie sets you up similarly, where you want, you're like, Yeah, Pumpkinhead should kill. I'm okay with that. And yet, you know, he really shouldn't. He really is a bad guy. He really shouldn't be killing the ones that had nothing to do with it and all that. So, anyway, I'll get off my soapbox. Sorry about that. This movie leans into basically revenge is not the solution to any problem. And also be careful what you wish for, because at the end of the day, the father, Lance Henrickson, has regrets as he sees kids who he knows not all of them were guilty of this. He sees them getting killed, and he realizes this is a mistake, this isn't what my son would want. So now he's trying to help stop Pumpkinhead. This was the directorial debut for Stan Winston, whose team also created the creature. Winston is best known for his creature effects, um, having previously made creatures or created the makeup for Terminator, Aliens, and Predator. Those are all before this movie. He would eventually uh get win Oscars for visual effects for Jurassic Park, T2, and Aliens, and he would get an Oscar for Best Makeup for T2. That would probably explain why Pumpkinhead really resembles the Alien Queen in Aliens. Um, it's the same company doing it. In fact, there's even a sound in the background that's very similar. The story is that the producers, Pumpkinhead, sent Stan Winston the script, wanting him to design the creature. And uh he saw this as a chance to uh to do to direct. He had you know done a lot of work on a lot of the movies, but he had never directed, and he thought this was like a perfect budget, perfect time for his debut, and uh and so he replied to them, yeah, I'll do the makeup if you let me direct it. And of course they did, and and strangely enough, like they say this is like the prototype, like this movie did really well, and they did a lot with a minimal budget, and this is like how other movies of this sort, like getting the most out of a small budget, this is like the movie they look at to see how how do you do that? This is what they follow, which is pretty amazing, especially for a first-time director. So, Lance Hendrickson, of course, is the father in this, and and oh, you've seen him in something on IMDB. He has 270 acting credits. You might remember him from the movie Aliens. He is a synthetic human. I guess Stan and him worked together on that. And and quite frankly, in the 1980s, I think he was in every single movie made in 19 in the 80s, including the movie The Terminator, which again Stan Winston worked on. So maybe Stan and Lance knew each other quite well. Who knows? Now, my favorite person in this movie is Jeff East. Jeff East, most people out there would have no idea who he is, and even me, I don't know his name, I just know when I see him on screen. Oh, oh, I know who that is. So he played a young Clark Kent, the young Clark Kent, in the 1978 Superman movie. Um, he had you know the black hair of Superman at the time, but he's got these you know blue eyes, he's piercing blue eyes. My favorite role of his is he played Rex Crandall, and Rex Crandall um played the main frat boy in one of my favorite movies, Up the Creek. If you haven't seen Up the Creek, see it. It is really an underrated comedy, and he's in it, and he's great in it. It stars Tim Matheson, um, but you'll recognize a ton of the other people in the movie. But yeah, so yeah, Jeff East, I think he's great. He, except for Superman, he usually plays a jerk and he's really good at it. Um, but in this movie, he's he's a good guy, so maybe he's just a jerk in one movie that I really enjoy being a jerk in. I don't know. Maya Bialik, I do not how to pronounce I do not know how to pronounce her name. Someone else should pronounce it better. She played Blossom in Blossom, and she was more most recently in uh Big Bang Theory. Um, this is I don't know if it's her debut film and her early film where she just plays one of the kids in one of the scenes. So, yeah. So the last movie, movie number three for season one, episode 24, is called Teacher Shortage. And it's from 2020. You can find it on Plex and Tubi. Production companies are Fright Meter Films in Midnight Media Entertainment. The director is Troy Escamilla, if you're Spanish, or Escamilla, if you're not. The writer is also Troy Escamilla slash Escamilla. It stars uh Julie Ann Prescott, Brink Stevens, and Mel Heflin. Yes, the Mel Heflin. Plot. What is supposed to be an educational and collaborative weekend? Wow, that's right. I read this before, and this is a tough one. What is supposed to be, because there's no punctuation, whoever put this on to IMDB did not feel punction a punctuation was a thing. So, what is supposed to be an educational and collaborative weekend professional development session, which sounds like something my company would have, for the English department of Prescott High School, instead turns into a blood-soaked nightmare when a mass killer targets them. Again, that's one sentence, no punctuation. So, why this movie? Again, doing Father's Day, and no spoilers, but there could be a father in this movie. How did I see it? Really, I watched it for the first time for this episode. My favorite kill, so as I said before, Brink Stevens is in it, and she's a teacher, and she gets stabbed through the mouth with a sharpened ruler, which I don't know, I thought was good. This movie starts with a tragedy that I'm gonna say would never ever happen. So the yearbooks come out, and in the yearbook, someone on the yearbook committee changed a girl's name to Ugly Skank. So the girl, apparently known as Ugly Skank, is so upset by this that she killed herself. I imagine I wasn't on the yearbook committee, so maybe someone listening to this that was on your yearbook committee could could correct me. I would imagine that there are a lot of people that look at this before it gets printed. So students work on it with the faculty advisor, probably faculty advisor looks over it last. Superintendent or principal of the high school, someone I would imagine above them, probably superintendent, would have to review it. And then I would imagine wherever they send it to get printed reviews it. And I think someone would have caught ugly skank. That's just me, maybe I'm wrong. But the movie takes place a few years afterwards. So Brink Stevens is in this, and um, I mean, quite frankly, so is Julianne Prescott and Mel Heflin, and they are basically what you would consider screen queens. Now, like Frank, Frank was part of a crew in the 80s. Frank, Linnea Quigley, um, is there one? Is there like maybe Darien Kane? I don't remember. I don't remember what their names were. Because like this is the 80s, and I still was fairly young. And back then, like a screen queen, for the most part, they were like B movie were the Screen Queens. The only like A-list screen queen was probably Jamie Lee Curtis. And like when you get into the B movie Screen Queens, it was all about getting naked, you know, showing breasts, and and the the movie quality guest B was was not great, and it really wasn't about horror and killing and scaring, it was about showing women in hardly any clothing, and and and and uh Brink was good at that. So yeah, it was just different. I think today it has changed again, where it's almost back to like Jamie Lee, where it's all a, you know, so I guess I guess when you get into the B, when you get into independence, it's kind of the same where you're having women showing skin, but you know, again, the A-list type stuff when you have like women there like Jenna Ortega or McKenna Grace, where they're in these horror movies and they're you know, they're they're not showing skin, and that and that's fine. And and and they can still be screen queens. So maybe I wonder if we have just two levels of screen queens, the A level and B level, and maybe there's a C level. I don't know. Actually, there's a horror movie I saw that I would rate one of them like at a D or F level, so maybe. Anyway, um, this is a bit of a spoiler alert, but one of the interesting movie things about this movie is uh this a homosexual serial killer. Now I realize it happens. I mean, obviously, Dahmer was a homosexual, uh, John Wade Gacy was a homosexual, um, but there are tons of serial killers that are not, and it's rare to see it in a movie, a homosexual serial killer. And um, this one did it, it works great, it really does. Um of the weird things is the top names, Julian Prescott, Brink Stevens, and Mel Hefflin are barely in the movie, a few minutes apiece. Now, granted, they're the biggest names, and they're the most well-known names, especially in independent movie and independent horror type stuff. But like, I don't know. I just thought maybe someone that would give a chance to someone that is in the movie more. It's not like these are going into theaters where you need name recognition, not at all. So I don't know. So Julianne Prescott, who I talked about before, she's been in movies for 22 years and has made 175 movies. Mel Hefflin, like I had already, I think I did this a few episodes ago where I said how many movies she was in, but she has like 25 films coming out in the next year or so. I mean, that's just amazing. And and but when you look at the titles of these movies, they're very simplistic. And I just wonder if they start running out of titles eventually, or if it's like, you know, Black Christmas, where there's like three Black Christmas movies. It's just what year was it made to know which one it is. So maybe they do that, or maybe they just add one, two, three, four, five at the end, so you know which one it is. I don't know. But uh, it just does amazes me about some of that stuff, like how many of these they can they can put out in one. And there's tons of small companies do it, so I get it, and they and they don't take six months to make either. So yeah, I don't know. It's just it it interests me. I should just say that it interests me. So that's the last movie next week. Um, it's gonna be a little bit of a July 4th flare. So uh see if you can uh know what movies that uh that I'll be doing. And remember, if uh you enjoyed this episode, tell your friends. If you didn't enjoy this episode, tell your enemies, and uh have fun.