Chasing the W
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Chasing the W
Chasing the Historic 30th Season
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On this week's episode, Amanda and Bon review the first week of the 2026 season, make way too early predictions and give a 24 Shot Clock (and then some) on Jose Fernandez.
Welcome back to another episode of Chasing the W. I'm Amanda. And I'm Bonnie.
BonnieHow's it going? It's going well. First week of uh the W season has been pretty all-consuming. I've watched a lot of basketball.
AmandaYeah, there's almost not I don't want to say too much basketball, but I'm having a hard time keeping up with this.
BonnieI know it's tough. Still learning everybody's team too. Keeping like, who's that? I don't know that person. It's like a combo of that, and like, when did this person join this team? Who I keep thinking that like Azare is still in LA. It's yeah, it's really tough. I don't know. She's on Chicago now.
AmandaShe hasn't played yet, but yeah, I mean, really, like jumping right the fuck into it. Why not? So I think first let's talk about the Liberty. They had the first game, didn't they? They had the opening night game. And literally, Brenda and I got there and we were just like, when the fuck did we pick up Julie Van Loo?
BonnieI know. Like, literally, I think it was that morning.
AmandaIt was like the same morning, a hardship contract because poor Julie Van Lou can't, they don't want to keep her on any teams. I would like to keep her on our team. I would love to keep her. She was incredible for us. She it was just like last season when she was picked up by the Sparks after being waived by the Valkyries while in flight to San Francisco. And then she flew into New York and was waiting outside the Qatar Airways entrance.
BonnieAnd then she played. That's so crazy.
Amanda20 minutes later, she was warming it up.
BonnieThese last two seasons.
AmandaI think maybe that means that she was always meant to be in New York because then we picked her up. She flew in the same day and then damn near dropped a triple-double in her DP.
BonnieShe was fucking phenomenal that game. She just like, I don't know.
AmandaShe gives like just like a really hard-working player. Like she's willing to bust her ass and like get it done. And I really like that. And I feel like she's a good point guard option for us. I think so too. I mean, she had an incredible game. I'm pretty sure she had like 11 or 12 assists in that first game. It was really good. But as we're talking about the Liberty in general, I'm gonna be honest, we've talked a lot of shit about Chris DeMarco. That's his name, right? DeMarco. Yeah. Yep. And I hate to say it, you know, I don't like to be wrong. But I don't know.
BonnieWe're pretty good. I kinda like it.
AmandaWe're pretty good. Like, unfortunately, Sabrina's out right now. Satzu's out. That's not really a surprise to me. I is Satu ever not out, respectfully. Respectfully, respectfully. Like, it's fine. And then also Beck Allen was out. And so we needed Julie Van Lu and Marine Johannes has been playing out of her mind. She really has. I think something we've talked about a lot before, too, on the pod is that she doesn't play as freely, in my opinion at least, as she does as she does in France. And I feel like that's a little bit different now, especially when she doesn't have to share the floor with Sabrina, just because they both are incredible three-point shooters, and so how do you kind of split up the number of shots?
BonnieRight.
AmandaBut she has looked really good. And she's been in the weight room, I think.
BonnieYeah, I think she's gotten stronger. Um, I don't know if her defense has gotten better, but we're we can work on it.
AmandaWe well, the sample size is also not that much this season. We've only played four games.
BonnieTrue, true, true, true. Um, yeah, no, I feel like she's had some like crazy one-footer flying in the air, three-point shots.
AmandaShe just like defies the law of gravity almost. Like, I don't know. It's like square shoulder wear. Yeah, she doesn't need to. No, she's been she's been playing really well. Also, we had the return of Bet Nija. Oh my god. Which, as we always say, she would never lie to you.
BonnieBarclays was lit for Benija.
AmandaWe were so happy for her to be there.
BonnieWhen she crossed over um Neepkins, I think her name is broke those ankles. Broke the ankles, made a little middy.
AmandaShe said, Wow, fuck them kids.
BonnieYeah.
AmandaShout out to No, literally, I've been telling anyone who's willing to listen to me that B told you that she was coming back and she would never, she would never lie to you. But Nigelaney Hamilton, friend of the pot. We gotta get her on here.
BonnieWe gotta get her on here. B, if you're listening.
AmandaThey were spotted yesterday in Soho, B, JJ, and it wasn't Pauline. There was a third player with them. They were shopping in Soho.
BonnieOh.
AmandaYeah. Threads wouldn't lie to me.
BonnieDidn't they just get back from didn't they play in Portland? Was oh, maybe it was Thursday.
AmandaYeah, I mean they said okay, and there's money to be spent. Yeah. They said it's time to go shopping. They probably went to that big ass Adidas because you know, but Nice is an Adidas athlete. But think to something something of note. Uh Stewie has not I mean Stewie is always good.
BonnieYeah.
AmandaAnd she's had an incredible four games. The one thing, though, that's notable to me is that she has not been shooting efficiently from three.
BonnieAgree.
AmandaEven when she's wide open, they are just not falling for her.
BonnieYeah.
AmandaIt's tough. Actually, oh geez, there is somebody in our section that I think I was talking to you about this person, but not sure if they're a regular season ticket holder because you know the Liberty schedule is all fucked up. We have one home game and then they run like a five or like a three-game like road trip. But she just like this person is so loud and animated with their commentary, but like almost kind of like berating. Like she was like yelling at the refs, but then she was like yelling at Stewie. What was she saying? Saying, stop shooting those threes, like you haven't hit a three like in two seasons.
BonnieLike something sounds like the girl that sits next to us.
AmandaIt was just so obnoxious, and I was just like, This is this is not the place for that. This is not the M NBA. Yeah. Like, let's just let's just cool it.
BonnieNot the M NBA.
AmandaYeah, it's like literally literally not.
BonnieBut also, Stewie's still like even though she's not shooting from three very well, like she's still put up.
AmandaShe's playing well.
BonnieShe's playing over 30 points, I think, in that first game.
AmandaYeah, and at some point those shots will fall for her. So I don't think it's a huge deal. It's also been four games, and like the one thing that I've noticed in terms of like the flow of the game is that we're moving that fucking ball. Yeah. I like I found myself like really frustrated several times last season just watching our offense because it just felt so stagnant, like people were just kind of standing around. Just like, let's move, like, let's get open looks. But the ball movement has been really incredible, and I I have to attribute that to Chris DeMarco.
BonnieNo, I agree, and I feel like we are we're playing more aggressive too. Like, yeah, ever everyone's kind of like driving in, kicking out, and but like it just feels like yeah, he's he's lit some fire under our ass.
AmandaYeah, and honestly, sleeper pickup Pauline Astier literally was not familiar with your game, didn't know her at all. She has been cooking, she's just kind of like an injection of energy, I feel like, um, on on the offensive side, and I feel like she's a pretty solid defender as well, but she's just like getting to the rim, she's getting there in transition. She's also like I think her shot selection has been really good too. She's been like picking the right times to shoot and not just shooting for the sake of shooting.
BonnieSo I think when Sabrina comes back that she should stay at the one. I'm just like curious. I because I just don't see Sabrina at the one. I mean, you know, she kind of was last year.
AmandaWell, she was forced to do it because of slew. Yeah. Like, and I didn't think she did a I didn't think she did a bad job, but Sabrina's bread and butter, in my opinion, is catch and shoot. Right. So I think that would be more ideal for her. Um the last thing I'm gonna say about Chris DeMarco is man, like I was really, I feel like I was really wrong at knock on wood. Okay, because he better not piss me off. Because I just like there's a pre there was a press conference during or after one of their games, and we talked about this yesterday, but just like a really sweet moment between him and Bet Niger where he wasn't even looking at B sitting next to her, and he was like answering a question and taking off his sweater, and he just handed it to B.
BonnieBecause she was like she just put it on had a tank tap on, hadn't like showered yet. I think must have been cold. Like, that's like I hate to say it. I like it.
AmandaYeah, I guess I do I hate to say it.
BonnieI know because isn't that what we want? I think we wanted to like we were skeptical. I was I was really upset about Sandy, me too.
AmandaBut but I think it kind of worked out for both sides. I think I think that it worked out like just look at the difference in how Martin is playing right now and how she's being utilized versus how she was how she's been utilized really the last like three seasons.
BonnieI know. Chris. It kind of makes me wonder what Chris would have done with Emma Misaman.
AmandaI don't know, man. I'm I I don't know that he could have made her pick put pick up that pep in her step. She was too slow to run with the girls. She was slow. Like, and that makes sense for some teams. It's just that we are we're runners, we're track stars. We are up and down at court.
BonnieEven JJ gets hustling.
AmandaYeah. I'm also just like, I get it, but also you gotta pick up the pace if everybody else is kind of running. But in in Emma Me Simon's defense, she kind of came at a weird time. She did. Yeah. It was, I don't think, not the best fit for the team. So okay. Go libs. Yes, go libs. I I kind of wanted to talk about the scheduling as well. Yeah. Because we just talked about it briefly. Like we had one home game, then they were on like a three-game road trip, and then they're gonna be on a six-game homestand starting after like a week of nothing. Rest, yeah. So that's really annoying. And then also notably the Aces played uh against Phoenix and then had a back-to-back. And so then they played, I believe, LA the next day, which is like kind of crazy to me because a back-to-back to open the season is actually wild. Yeah, that seems like a lot. Yeah, so and they lost actually their first game, which was like 30 or something. It was something crazy. Kind of a large number, yeah. Kind of fun. You know, one of my faves, Kalia Copper, had a presser on Media Day, and she was being asked about, oh, does this game mean more to you because it's the team that you lost against? And you know, Kyle loves she loves a presser uh crash out. And she was like, Are y'all trying to piss me off? Like, of course. As a competitor, yes, we want to ruin their night. Like, we lost to them. We got swept. Like, yeah, don't piss me off. And she looks stunning while she said it.
BonnieThere's one, I feel like I've said this before, but there's one Khalia Copper um presser that lives rent-free in my head. Do you know what it is?
AmandaIs is it the one where she was just like why would you ask me that?
BonnieThey were like, it was Candace, it was her and Candace Parker, so I think they were on the sky. So it was a few years ago. But um the journalist was like, How would you like uh I don't know, something about like Asia getting like eight blocks and like how did it feel to play against her? And then she like just stared at her them and was like, looked at Candace and was like, What was the question? Oh, actually.
AmandaI think it was it when was it when they said, What like do you think that you guys should have done this, this, this, and this or something like that? It was something really obvious.
BonnieYeah, but it was like something about like how was it to play against Asia? Because because then Candace like repeated the question to her, and then Kyle just looked at them and goes, Good. Oh, actually, you know what?
AmandaYeah, that was a different moment. She's just like, she's an iconic press conference girly. Yeah, because there was another one where we're just like, Do you do you think that it was it wasn't this question exactly, but it was something so fucking dumb. Like, do you think they won or you lost? It wasn't that question, but it was something as dumb as that, and she was just like, Look at this. Now, what tell me what's wrong with this? Yeah, okay, cool. Like, because why why would you ask stupid questions?
BonnieYeah, like so funny. I love that she's like just like I don't know.
AmandaThat's a North Philly girly. Yeah, I mean, okay. Speaking of the aces, though, going back a little bit, mm-hmm. Kennedy Carter has been hooping hooping. I wow.
BonnieAnd they tried to keep her out the league. You know, I'm happy for her. I'm glad she's found a spot where she like fits and belongs and can be nurtured and yeah, we've talked about a good leadership on that team.
AmandaI think it's gonna be really good for her, um, not just in her like development of her game, but also just like in how she's um just growing right as a player. So okay, and we talked briefly about like the aces and the liberty scheduling, but can we just talk about the scheduling in general? Because why why are there still like 17 games happening at the same time? Like Kathy has learned absolutely nothing.
BonnieI know. I feel like it shouldn't be that hard to figure it out, but like I'm sure there's a team dedicated to scheduling, like eight at least eight brains.
AmandaYeah, but I'm also just like it definitely can't be a thing that the CBA really delayed like the scheduling and stuff.
BonnieIt should have been argued.
AmandaBecause it's been like this this whole time.
BonnieYeah, we already knew that like Toronto and Portland were gonna have expansion teams, like we already knew all that.
AmandaYeah, it's it's just not been great. Another thing that's been really frustrating is just how the games have been officiated these last couple, well, this last week. It's just been like a really tough watch slowing the games down.
BonnieYeah. Do you want to get into the reps? I just wanted to say before we get into the reps, a couple week week opener data points. Oh so two and a half million viewers for the May 9th, Dallas versus Indiana game. That's the second most watched regular season game on ESPN. Tempo versus Mystics drew over a million Canadian viewers. Portland's home opener drew 19,335 fans, which is the largest crowd ever for an expansion team's home opener in the W history. So data shows that everyone actually does watch women's sports. You know? And that's that on that. And that's that. That's all I wanted to say.
AmandaI mean, those are pretty big points to make. I think it's like, man, it's like we said last episode, I think, or it's just like before I was kind of like, ugh, everybody wants a piece of the girls, and now I'm like, yes, everyone wants a piece of the girls. It's just fun, it's electric. It's also just like the style of play is just so much more engaging and exciting than ISO ball and the MNBA. Agree. It's so so good.
BonnieYeah.
AmandaLet's talk about let's talk about the officiating.
BonnieYeah, it's been horrible. It's been tough. It's been really tough. There's some sort of new rule or like emphasis on freedom of movement. So the league um has instructed officials to more strictly enforce the existing rules around hand checking, holding cutters, off-ball contact, paint physicality, illegal screens, displacement, and content contact on drives. But it just feels like every fucking second there's a whistle.
AmandaIt's it's honestly really tough. I feel like I've been seeing it a lot more on screening. Yeah. And sometimes I'm just like, okay, you guys, I get it, but that wasn't a fucking moving screen.
BonnieYeah. Like, what are we doing? Right. And it's definitely slowing the games down. I feel like the players can't get into a flow. And I know they've complained about it on the pressers a bit too, but like a couple of the Liberty games I've watched um last week that started late, like, because they were in Portland, lasted for three hours. And I'm like, this is so long.
AmandaHonestly, really happy I didn't stay up to watch all of the games. I feel like I made it to halftime for both, and then I was I had to tap out. Yeah. It was also really bad during the Mystics and Liberty game, too. It was like, and I remember in the in the post-game presser, Stewie was just like, that was way too many fouls called because they went to OT with the Mystics, and there were just so, so many fouls called. Stewie said it was bad on both sides, not just like the Liberty getting a ton of, you know, a ton of fouls called against them. It was both sides.
BonnieWell, so I guess in the first 11 games, there was a total of 491 fouls called in all the games. 11 techs. Yeah. 11 technical fouls and four flagrants. And now the players um are having to pay new tech fines. So there's like $500 each for a player's first three tech fouls and then $500 per flight flagrant. So over the last 11 games in the first 11 games, players had to pay out $7,500.
AmandaCan we can we also just talk about because I know like both JJ and Stewie have publicly criticized all of the fouls being called? Yeah. Like you think about it, multiple games this season so far have been have crossed the 50 total fouls called. Mark. And if you I'm like trying to do like some quick math, just like thinking about how what is the distribution of fouls, and how have more players not fouled out?
BonnieYeah, that's really true.
AmandaBecause if you think about it, okay, what it's 12 players that are eligible to play, but not all 12 players are playing on both sides. So let's say total maybe you get 14 players. How are we distributing 50 fouls?
BonnieThat's so crazy.
AmandaBut 14 players, like that's a lot of fouls.
BonnieI feel like in that Mystics game, JJ and Han fouled out, right?
AmandaYeah, I believe so. Yeah.
BonnieBut I mean, I think that's true. We're gonna see more of that.
AmandaIt's just interesting though, because it's there was no official rule change for it. Right. It like nothing changed about what legally constitutes a foul. There weren't any changes to the challenge rules, there was no changes to the verticality and definition of what contact is, and there was no limp like change to the foul limit.
BonnieRight.
AmandaIt's just, I don't know, something that that I think made us laugh. It was during the home opener. I think I think it was during the home opener where you texted us and said, This is office fault. Yeah. You said this is on Nafees' fault. You said full government required for this. It feels like Nafisa's. Because of that fucking MPR interview. And then that end of season presser where she came in with her little Microsoft Word printout, and she said, first I would like to address the media.
BonnieYeah.
AmandaFuck you. No, that's not what she said. But I mean, that's pretty much what she said to Kathy.
BonnieSo I mean, it feels like it like a weird coincidence that she went on. I don't know. I didn't know this was coming. I had no idea that this neither fucking rule rule change, non-rule change was coming. Like, for contrast, the average fall Fowl's called in a game last season was 17.5 a game.
AmandaYeah. That's now we're at 50. Like what is the percentage increase for that? Also, 27.5. Also, notably, over over the offseason, apparently the WMBA created um an officiating task force where like it was following like all the widespread criticism from last season about not just the the physicality of play, but also the consistency. And so they also added referee performance oversight, expanded referee evaluation systems. They also promoted additional officials. Um, and they also have discussed replay and process improvements in addition to increased penalties for technical flagrance and flopping, which you mentioned briefly with the fines for techs, and now there's also a fine associated with flopping. Which I have yet to see it before. I know. Has Tip Hayes been on the floor? Has Tip Hayes been on the floor this season? I'm sure she has been.
BonnieYou know what? She got hurt. Um I think she broke a finger or something. Was it because she threw herself on the floor? Respectfully. I think she's like out for a while. I haven't seen her playing. Um I'm gonna look it up really quick. Tiffany Hayes injury. Yeah, she dislocated her left pinky finger. Wee. Yikes. I mean she'll be back soon. But anyway, yeah, she'll be flopping again soon.
AmandaYeah, and I think like there w like I said, there was no like official rule change to how foul fouls are called or and what constitutes a foul. But I think right now the whistle feels especially dramatic um because of this kind of weird adjustment period. But I'll tell you what, they need to figure it out.
BonnieBut I know I really understand. And like everyone keeps saying it's an adjustment period, but like what are we adjusting to? Like, are players supposed to adjust to like the frequency of the flow fouls, or are the refs?
AmandaYeah, I think it's probably a mix of the two. So they're probably I guess like maybe what we would have considered like a ticky tack foul last season is probably like they're like, no, you need to call those and call them more consistently. But I also think that players will naturally adjust to it as well. Like, okay, like I really can't even do this little thing I got away with last season.
BonnieYeah.
AmandaBut at the same time, though, I historically, not just in the W, but when League tightens enforcement on foul calls like that, it's appear apparently pretty common for refs to overcall early. Players are playing physically out of habit. Like, you know, they're just trying to get used to it, but they need to figure it out soon because it's it's dragging the games out and it's like fucking up the flow of the game. It's not fun.
BonnieIt's not fun. I also feel like the longer people play, the more likely they're gonna get injured. You know what I mean? Like because we're tired, we're playing longer. It just feels like I don't know. It's not good right now. The adjustment period needs to adjust quickly.
AmandaYeah, especially man, I and as fans, it's annoying as fuck. I'm I'm gonna be honest, it's gonna be really fucking annoying during the six-game homestand when we're at Barclays every other fucking day, and then we're there until midnight because of all of the balls being called. Like it's kind of ridiculous. Yeah. Agree. Okay. Do you have any way too early takes based on what you've seen thus far from this really small sample size of games?
BonnieI have an early take. I do have an early prediction.
AmandaOkay.
BonnieYou want me to go first? Do you want me to go first? I can go first. Okay. I only have one. Do you have more than I just have two? Okay. Yeah. I'll go first. Um my two early prediction is Atlanta and Liberty in the finals. Mmm. I don't know who's gonna win, but I think we could be the la the final two.
AmandaTo be honest, I've never really I have such a hard time with like predicting finals just because the league is still so small that like typically in other sports leagues you have like different conferences or different divisions, and so there's representatives from each. But I think it's it's possible, yeah I think, for there to be two teams from the east, but I'm not really like the seeding is very strange to me in the W. So I I don't know that I've like ever really fully grasped how it is that they work that out. So I think like the W is probably the only league where it's possible for two teams from the same conference to go at it against each other. Right? Because last season it was Aces and Mercury, and they're both in the West.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
BonnieSo I think that would be I think it would be tight. I feel like Atlanta has a really good team. I think so. And I'm pleasantly surprised with how we're playing right now, especially without Sabrina and Satsu.
AmandaAnd you know what? And Satsu, don't piss me off, bro. Please don't.
BonnieIf you come back and fuck things up, I'll be pissed. Yeah, don't piss me off.
AmandaOkay. Well, speaking of Atlanta, we did just catch the second half of their game today against the aces, and they were down almost 20 points, I think, when we turned it on. There were maybe like six minutes left in the third, and they really rallied. Yeah. They looked so good. Shout out to to pow pow.
BonnieThat's my girl. Pow pow pow bang. She was doing great. Angel was doing great. Nas great. I mean, they didn't even have Ryan out there, and they were looking really, really good. They were looking really good.
AmandaPow pow was shooting really efficiently from the three. In fact, a lot of her shots were wet. A lot of her shots were wet. One could say they were wet. Wet? You wet. Yeah, you wet. That was it. Um, no, she was doing good, and I especially love that because she's on my fantasy team. And I really needed her to have a breakout performance because Christina's up on me by like 30 points. And she's smiling through it all. And she's smiling through it all. She can't believe this is her life. She can't. Shout out, shout out to her. Okay, okay.
BonnieMy okay, give me your early takes.
AmandaTwo way too early predictions. First of all, Cam Brink for defensive player of the year. Okay.
BonnieShe is a walking block party. I mean, I feel like everyone and their mom reshared that block she had on Caitlin. Oh my god.
AmandaBut the I think the best part of that block wasn't even the block itself, it was the flex after, and she said, get that fucking shit out of here. And then she chest bumped Erica Wheeler into the fucking abyss. She just like boom and she was gone. I saw it from a different angle too. It was really funny. Erica Wheeler literally was caught by the crowd and they pushed her back in. Like it was fucking rock chiller. It was incredible. And then, like two days later, Cam had a block pretty much in that same exact spot in the same exact way. I was just like, ooh, yeah, she said, not in this house. I don't think so. Did you not see what I did the other day? I love that for her because I do feel like I don't know. I feel like in the ether where Cam Brink is discussed, I feel like it's been a lot of like, well, I haven't really seen her play. Right. What is it? And I've always believed in her. It's not her fault that she tore her ACL.
BonnieOh, yeah.
AmandaAnd she's coming back stronger. She's got to hit the weight room for sure.
BonnieYeah.
AmandaBut I think she's got a lot of potential.
BonnieI do too. I love Cam Brink. Okay. I love that for her. Okay.
AmandaYeah, Cam Brink for defensive player of the year. You heard it here first on Chasing the W. Okay. And then my second, I'm not gonna guess who's gonna be MVP, but I did want to put in a bid for most improved player.
BonnieOkay.
AmandaAnd I think it's gonna be Rakia Jackson. Oh shit. She has been hooping. She won big dog of the game two games in a row in Chicago. Okay. She the last game she played, she had 29. I think she I don't think she was approaching triple double, but she might have had a double double. But she had 29 points. And I just feel like I feel like Lynn Roberts was holding her back.
BonnieYeah. In LA.
AmandaI can see that. And I want her to do well, but I really hate that Chicago as an organization is benefiting from her. But if she's happy, I'm happy.
BonnieYeah, no, if she can she's gonna shine on her own, you know? She doesn't need Chicago too.
AmandaI'm just bitter about the the Angel stuff. I just and we were talking about this earlier, but I think Atlanta is just such a it's a much better place for Angel. I feel like she's more psychologically and physically safe there, like and she's got a good team around her versus like these hater-ass veterans who are trying to, you know, sabotage her and sabotage her reputation. So I think I think it's Rakia Jackson for most improvements. I love Rikia. So if if she wins, we're gonna have to come back to this episode. And and yeah, we're gonna have to like replay the clip. I'm gonna have to trim the clip and put it in. We're right. We were right all along. Which I think, which I think gives us a perfect segue into fantasy.
BonnieWell, let's talk about fantasy. Oh man.
AmandaDo you have notes? I do have I do have notes, and I do want to say for the record that Bonnie has not texted me a single time. That's true. In the first week to remind me about my lineup.
BonnieIt's true. I've only given one hint so far, and I feel like pretty proud of it, actually. Was it a hint or was it direction? Because I feel like it was direction. It might have been direction, but as commissioner, I just want everyone to succeed. So I'm not a little biased.
AmandaNo. Tell everyone who you gave the hint to.
BonnieOkay, I gave the hint to Eliza. She interesting. For some odd reason, no one had picked up Pauline Estier yet. And Eliza needed a boost on her team, and I said, Hey, you should consider dropping.
AmandaEliza was sucking, and she needed all the help she can get.
BonnieI said she was not wet enough. She's not wet enough yet. Her team, her team was way too dry. Yeah. Team dry. Polynastier wet got it all wet. She got it all.
AmandaUm she moistened it up. It was really weird.
BonnieYeah, so I said, consider dropping one of your guards and pick up Astier because she is playing lights out. And she did, and she's playing a lot of so well.
AmandaI really like her. First first game, I was like, how do you say her name? Who is she? No. I was like, who is that?
BonnieYeah, shout out to her. I know who she is now, though. Tell you that. Yeah. Yeah. So then also just a quick rundown of who's in the lead. I mean, matchups in today. We still have a few games today, so this could change. But Christy is leading the league at the moment, and Brenda is in second.
unknownWow.
BonnieWell, let's go, Brenda Louhu.
AmandaLet's go. Wow. Shout out. Three O's, not two.
BonnieAnd then I'm in third.
AmandaOh, but I mean, that's still good. But this is also like point accumulation, right? It's not by matchup. So, like, it's not, yeah.
BonnieIt's not by matchup yet. It's point accumulation of the first matchup. So we'll see. Yeah. Like you could there, I feel like all well, not all four of us are gonna go one-in-o this week, but um why not? Because Eliza's gonna lose her matchup. Are we playing? No, you're playing Christy.
unknownYeah.
BonnieOh, yeah. This week I'm losing. Yeah, I don't know.
AmandaI don't know who's playing me this week. I like so Christy, I'm playing Christina this week, and we have been neck and neck. And Brittany Griner just randomly is out, and she really fucked me over because if I had put in Saboli instead, I would be up on Christina right now. It's corny, bruh. I don't even know, I don't even know what happened to her.
BonnieI don't either. Well, let me do Google. Let me de Google. Yeah, please de Google. Brittany Griner injury.
AmandaI think it's been pretty decent though. And then in my other lead. You want to know what happened? Oh god, what happened?
BonnieShe's sidelined with a sprained toe on her left foot. How do you sprain a toe?
AmandaI don't know, but her toe is probably more like a finger because she's so tall.
BonnieYou think it's that long?
AmandaYeah, probably. That's a big girl. That's crazy. Big girl, big feet. Big toe. I mean, it's true. You know, some people have tinkers. I don't know.
BonnieLong toes kind of freak me out.
AmandaI know they freak me out too because you shouldn't be able to hold my hand with your feet. You know what I mean? I don't want any of that. Well, yeah, so she's she's out, and so fuck me, I guess. Well, she'll be back. She'll be back. She'll be back. We'll see. Um, well, speaking of Brittany Greiner, the sun are booty cheeks right now. They suck. No, I feel bad. It's just because they're young. I that's the thing. It's not that I I don't think they suck. I think they just they don't have enough reps under their belt. You know who's been carrying them? Who? Anisa Morrow. Yeah, she did the too small on Asia the other night, and then Asia said, mmm, that's cute, and then and then scored 45 points to break a WMBA record. One thing about Asia, she's like, mmm.
unknownOkay.
AmandaToo small, huh? Yeah. Let me see who's too small. And then commence highlight reel. Because like, holy shit, she's a walk-in bucket, which is tough. Um, yeah. Wow. Yeah, but I mean, the sun, I was gonna say they'll have their moment, but actually the sun will be setting later this year.
BonnieSun will be setting and we'll be talking about that. The sun will actually never have a moment again. Yeah. This is the last sun for the sun. Yeah, it's the last uh this was the last sunrise. The last sunrise and until sunset.
AmandaYeah, so that's that's really tough for them. And my other fantasy league, I can't remember if we talked about it on this podcast, but I unfortunately have Caitlin Clark.
BonnieYeah, we did.
AmandaAnd I think I'm gonna bench her out of spite.
BonnieYeah, I thought you said you were.
AmandaYeah. I think I did like a quick lineup or whatever, and so it was just, you know, automatic. But I'm getting my ass beat in that matchup anyway.
BonnieSo Oh really?
AmandaYeah, I mean, I missed the draft, and which sucks because I had the second pick, and I wouldn't have I wouldn't have taken Confederate Kate at number two. Well, it's tough. Also, did we talk about how she came out with Morgan having? We haven't yet.
BonnieWe haven't yet.
AmandaSorry, there's just been so much that happened this week.
BonnieYeah, and she's showing us exactly who she is. The thing is that she doesn't have to say it. It's it's all in her silence.
AmandaIt is and like who was Eliza talking about it earlier with Steph White? Yeah. Do you wanna do you wanna share your thoughts on Steph White?
BonnieDo you want to hop on the phone? On the mic, Eliza? Yeah.
unknownYou know my thoughts.
BonnieRecently we found out that Steph White was gay, and that was surprising because Eliza, tell us why.
SPEAKER_01Um, and she also is married to um I'm pretty sure her wife's black.
AmandaYeah. And I just apparently she's fine, according to Raven Johnson.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, and I just feel like the the silence from Caitlin is deafening and from those around her, and I'm just surprised that Stephanie White hasn't said anything. She's also been silent, and I feel like in her situation she shouldn't be. And I know that you know, we were talking about don't bring politics into the workplace, but at some point in this league, in this league that was built off the back of black women, you know, you know, you need to bring it up. And so, I mean, I don't that's just those are my thoughts.
AmandaYeah. Yeah. Actually, to speaking of politics, we were just watching like part of that uh Kevin Hart funny AF show. Oh god. And one of the jokes that someone said was like, never thought we would be in a place where we all miss George W. Bush, huh? And that was just like that.
BonnieBut for real, actually.
AmandaI actually do miss George W. I would take him over what we have currently. No, like no bullshit, because at this point it's not it's not really about politics anymore. Like it's not like conservative versus like it's not the Republican. No, it's like yeah, it's not conservative versus uh liberal. It's pe a group of people who don't believe that a s a certain group or certain groups should have rights or exist or people who want everyone to live in fairness and equality. So it's just not really about politics anymore. I don't want to hear that bullshit anymore. It's it's terrible. Yeah. And then for someone like a someone like a Caitlin Clark, and even like a like uh maybe not Caitlin Clark, but Steph White. For someone, for someone like a Steph White, though, it's like I mean, and even Caitlin Clark, if it's kind of like we were just saying, like, she's showing us exactly who she is, and I don't know, there's just something crazy about how this narrative about like, for example, like the pick and roll with Aaliyah Boston, like, oh, that's her favorite target. Like, Aaliyah Boston was getting a lot of hate. Right. Caitlin's rookie season, and it was they were using Caitlin's name to kind of treat her like shit, and it's like sh she didn't say anything ever. And so I'm just like, like, where do we kind of draw the line? Like, and it I don't think it has anything to do with PR training because if someone who I assume is your friend, and maybe they're not your friend, maybe they're your colleague, your co-worker, like but you still treat them with respect, yeah. Like it's I don't know. If somebody was using my name to spew hate and like attack right people in my circle, attack people who I'm connected to, I would shut that shit down expeditiously. Yeah.
BonnieSo I just it's really confusing to me. Like, is she not on social? Is she Oh, she's definitely I know. I'm I'm like, she's definitely it's not this like whole jelly roll excuse where it's like I'm not I don't pay attention to politics. She's definitely uh paying attention because I feel like you have to, but it's also like it is such a luxury and such a privilege to say that you don't pay attention because it doesn't impact you. It doesn't impact you, yeah. That's so fucked up. Um but yeah, if if Atlanta wins and gets uh the championship, hopefully not, because go Liberty. Yeah, but um then Angel gets another championship title and Caitlin still has zero.
AmandaYeah. Okay, wait. Actually, speaking of like this Caitlin Angel thing, yeah, something we talked about earlier too that I think is really valuable to discuss on the pod is that Caitlin Clark is a volume. Tell her by her real name, Confederate Kate. Sorry, Confederate, sorry, yeah, her full government. Um Confederate Caitlin Clark, uh also known as the KKK, I mean CCC, she is a high volume shooter, which means that sure she can get you 20 to 30 points in a night, but she'll do that on like fucking 70 shots. Yeah. Which means she is a risk both off, she's a risk like for you to lose the game, and she may be able to tip the game in your favor, right? But it's unknown, and so it's risky to have a player like that on the roster. Like, for example, the other day they were playing the Mystics. God, she shot like two for fucking 10. Something crazy from three. And they were like, the hero, Caitlin Clark, she sent them to overtime. I'm just like, brother, if I just launched the ball from that exact spot as many times as she did, I will probably have the same number of makes.
BonnieI think maybe more. I think it was in the shot. Yeah. With the new shot. With my new shot mechanic, yeah. Um, I think it was in the third quarter where I heard whoever was commentating say that she hadn't scored since the first two minutes of the game. But she was shooting like crazy. And I was just like, why is everyone so fucking upset? Like that it's just I don't understand the narrative.
AmandaNo, and honestly, like it was such a fun, uh, such a fun piece of content that I saw. I sent I sent to you guys this morning about how people were imitating Ryan Rocco and Rebecca Lobo.
BonnieYep.
AmandaAnd how they're just like, you know, Caitlin Clark is shooting 47.5% from the field, and Kelsey Mitchell is shooting over 50%. But you gotta, you gotta get the ball into Caitlin's hands. Like Kelsey Mitchell selfishly sinks a three. How like crazy. Let's get the ball back in Caitlin's hand. Like, please be so fucking for real. The math ain't math in. But we know what it is though.
BonnieIt's like there's I swear to God that there's something happening where like the networks are have close ties with MAGA because every fucking broadcast media channel does now because it's all owned by one person. Um and they have like a noose around their necks, and they're like, if you don't fucking say her name every two minutes, like we're gonna tighten this. You know what I mean?
AmandaLike, it's yeah, it's really tough. And like, ESPN. There's gotta be just something they're all owned by Disney, yeah, as well, so it's also kind of like a broadcasting monopoly. Yeah, no notable stat update from our producers. Thank you, Brenda. So if we look at just like the efficiency percentage here, like during that Mystics game where it went to OT, Sonia Citron scored an efficient 10 for 14, 30 points. Caitlin had 30 points, and she was what was it?
unknownUh 28 shots.
AmandaShe scored 30 on 28 shots, which is that's a lot of that's a lot of shots. That's a lot of shots. And it's way too it's way too many shots when you have when you're not even the best player on your fucking team. And I have to say, like, there's just like a crazy amount of arrogance in just like the way she like saunters onto the court, like telling someone else it's their time to get off. I've also seen so many clips just from this season alone. Like, there was this one game, I can't remember which team they were playing, but someone slowed it down. She pushed off and then flopped off her own push-off, and then was upset that she didn't get the call.
BonnieI can't stand her looking at the reps and being like, that was a foul every single time. Every time. It's too much.
AmandaLike, it's it's it's way too much. But anyway, enough airtime on yeah, fuck all that.
BonnieOne more thing about the Morgan Wallen thing. I did hear like people saying like Paige uh should go out and walk out with Haley Williams.
AmandaYeah, because Haley Williams is a known Morgan Wallen hater hater and friend of the podcast, friend of the pod. Haley Williams, the black woman from Paramount. Yep. That's her.
BonnieWe love her. Okay.
AmandaOkay.
BonnieWhat do you think, Bon? Is it time for overtime? It's time for overtime. Let's fucking go. Let's go. Is it gonna be a quick overtime? But sometimes they are like that, you know? Mm-hmm. I just wanted to to chat quickly about the we talked about it earlier. The the sun setting on Connecticut and then moving to Houston. It the, you know, the move just got officially approved for the sun to relocate to the Houston and become the Houston Comets again, bringing back one of the original eight teams from nineteen ninety seven. And the Houston Comets have a big legacy. These this team has big shoes to fill. They've won or they won an unmatched four consecutive title titles from 1997 to 2000. No team has done that yet besides them. And that team was led by Cheryl Swoops, Cynthia Cooper, and Tina Thompson. Their first win in 1997 was over the Liberty, unfortunately. Tough. Actually three of the four titles they won, they beat the Libs. That's a toughie. Isn't that crazy?
AmandaWait a minute sorry I don't know if you know this off the top of the dome, but you know that iconic and historic shot from Teresa Weatherspoon?
BonnieWas it that was during the finals? I think that was like game two or something.
AmandaThat's what I thought. Yeah. And then Sabrina Loki dethroned her after that fucking shot from Manhattan. Dude, I can't I'll I'd watch that replay over like no like I actually think the next day I watched that shot like 17 times. No literally I was just like I'm gonna cry it was so beautiful.
BonnieHe was because Ryan Rocke was like Sabrina Ionescu from D you bet you bet yeah and his voice cracked I was like Yeah I mean that was it was electric it was electric that was a wet shot that was a wet shot for sure and it was an away game so we couldn't be there but we were feeling it back it was so incredible. Anyway sorry to be real yeah so that was one of the titles they won they beat us um even though Teresa Weatherspoon's shot still lives in history and the only reason why they left is that the team was they that they left Houston was the team was forced to fold and disband in two in 2008 due to like not being able to find new ownership because of the recession.
AmandaI'll tell you what you know what it sounds like crazy it sounds like sabotage it sounds like the WNBA was just like that's enough out of you think maybe I don't know I'm just speculating I'm just talking shit. I don't know because I mean the way they were manipulating the sale yeah of the sun I'm just like does somebody have a hand in that too well I mean probably because because that like it's a pretty good team to go ownerless.
BonnieI know yeah so it's weird it's weird but um now the man who owns the Houston Rockets owns will own the the comets as well so he's a billionaire.
AmandaSo he's a billionaire must be must be must be nice.
BonnieBut honestly in my opinion I think it'll be better overall like I feel like it's a larger market and a better sports market. Like Connecticut doesn't really have teams sports teams and they're in that weird casino and I feel like I don't know I just feel like maybe moving them to more of a sports town. I really thought Boston would be a better fit for I mean obviously I think Boston would have been but I feel like now that we have this um and they're sort of like returning to this like dynasty sort of place and I'm sure some people that still live in Houston remember those games and I just like I guess I'm just like sure bring back the fucking comets that's fine but let I think they should have let Boston have a team and you know that I'm a Boston hater.
AmandaI'm gonna be honest though the guard the TD Garden rocking for women's hoops would be so fucking tough. I know that remember when Connecticut played there when it was sold out yeah that like I'm telling it would have been incredible I just feel like they need a little bit more feminine energy up there because right now it's super toxic with all of the men the male sports up there. So I just thought it would have been really cool. It would have been cool for sure but maybe not Boston Sun what do you think they would have been called if they were if they went to Boston because if we're following the theme because typically I feel like they follow the theme right because you got Rockets Comets you've got Valkyries Warriors what would have been Celtics Leprechauns rain rainbows Clovers is kind of cool. Oh the Clovers brrr it's gold in here they could have that bag wow it's really gonna bring it on I can stop talking about bringing it on it's because that song is catchy you just what I need and I've never heard this song yo you literally have I promise we're gonna put it on you're gonna be like no you didn't yesterday you put it on like three times each other I feel like you need the visual aid though of that like emo looking guy in the bathroom brushing his teeth okay and Kirsten Dunce is next to him and for some reason there's some tension and all they're doing is brushing their teeth. Are they brother and sister? No she was it was her best friend's brother oh right. Huh? Eliza Dushku's brother yes Elijah Doucheku shout out to her she can also be a friend of the pod I have a friend that looks exactly like Elijah Dushku. How lucky are you saying her name Dushku is it is it Melissa You're just what I need that song is catchy.
BonnieAnyway it's Codamanda that's Richard that earworm is in there burrowing but yeah so goodnight Connecticut I mean we still have a whole season I hope they do well I hope they get a little bit better. I'm gonna be honest I don't know that they will I don't know that they will either but it it makes me sad because like KB I feel bad for KB.
AmandaOh I know but she's getting paid so I feel like she can't care that much I mean nobody likes to lose but if I was losing and money well yeah that'd make it a little bit I went somewhere else with the money I'm losing with you know what I mean?
BonnieTrue okay well that was all I really wanted to say about um the Houston Comets I didn't really know that they went for they had four consecutive tiles.
AmandaI knew that they were like a big team but I didn't know who they were their branding was also super sick. Yeah super sick. I really wish I really want the liberties to wear their the liberties the liberty to wear their old retro jerseys again like one game is not enough okay yeah for the fans who are not following first of all why not they have an incredible incredible legacy with their original jerseys and branding and they even brought they brought it back for the home opener so they were wearing like their origins jerseys but then also the floor was so cool. It was really cool instead of what what color is our floor usually isn't it like black or something no it can't be black what color was it well god we're about to find out during the six game homestand but I think what I really love is like the contrast of like that bright orange with the sea foam green I think it just looks so so so so cool. And wait I can't even believe we didn't talk about this can we talk about yeah Ellie's halftime show oh my god the Whitney Houston Ellie did a tribute to Whitney Houston you know why there's like Whitney Houston's iconic star-spangled banner made it up it was like the inaugural WNBA game I'm fairly certain it's amazing and she ate it up but the best thing about Ellie's performance is it was the wig the wigs who did my cutty little bobby it was like it was a silk press like that thing was moving like I was just like who did her hair can you do mine? It was incredible and also she had the mannerisms down. Ellie's the queen she's the best oh my god I just like I feel like it just brings me so much joy when I see Ellie do shit like this because I'm just like Ellie is so black.
BonnieThat's a black girl in there like or a black man yeah it could be I tell you what when they did when she did the halftime performance she her there it was like a weird angle from the ground yeah and I saw skin you did I sure did it's a black person in there well which we knew which well which we hoped and and presumed we knew because it has it's just not possible yeah it's just not possible anything else but like I I saw skin it was neck because I was just like ooh Ellie girl you better pull your head down isn't it crazy that Ellie like the person walks around New York City and no one knows who they are no one knows that it's Ellie.
AmandaWe could very well be walking into Ellie around park plays and not even know right my God I don't know that's iconic I I hope at some point we get a mascot reveal yeah we never will but I've been seeing it a lot in um in college sports actually oh really uh because yeah because all these people are graduating now it's graduation season and so people are doing transition videos of like a mascot reveal so I saw Brutus Ohio State's mascot doing like their little like walk on and run like through a tunnel and then it looks like they go through like a wall and it's a girl. Oh it's it's mostly a female dominated space which okay funny but also not funny somebody in the comments was just like y'all think they're letting grown men hug little kids and I was just like and yeah that's valid so that's real true but really really sick um because I also was a mascot. Yes and what were you again a squirrel? Oh my god a squirrel what the fuck I this this very short girl self-hatred is really killing me Bonnie like you remind me at every moment that we're short girls I did not you do like I I think I said oh like you know this player is like five eight last episode and you were like so she's taller than us and I was like damn you know what that means it was Georgia Amore it was Georgia Amore and I was just like yeah like she's only like five eight or something or she's five seven I'm sorry five six and I was like you know what that means and you said she's taller than us and I was like no that means Eliza's taller than her so she still has a chance like we got to flip the script I wish I was five six me too like just a little just a little tall much to ask to be honest no I mean like I would be an even better defender if I was five six sorry wait so what were you what Mesca oh sorry I was a Boston Terrier okay yeah I was red even smaller than a fucking squirrel no it's not Boston Terriers are bigger than squirrels also what is this prejudice coming from the couch Tonker like this is so crazy. I'm gonna I'm gonna in secret get that fucking leg extension surgery and one day I'm just gonna show up and be fucking taller than Eliza I'm gonna be like oh how's the weather down there geez yeah then I can never play basketball again if I do that you can't because you might shatter the don't worry I'll wait until I'm too old to play in our old age in our polyamorous marriage I'm gonna be sitting in a rocking chair on a porch next to other eyes and be like do you remember when I was shorter than you oh man anyway that was over time that was overtime we have time I do have the 20 I do have the 24 second okay let's go shot clock let's get that let's get the timer going oh do you want to use mine yeah I don't know where my phone is okay okay here we go oops one second okay are you ready yeah 24 seconds on the clock starting now Jose Fernandez so canto cabrón what the fuck are you even doing talking about the Dallas Wings and the way you are he's like a worse version of Kim Caldwell because he's a man he did a press a press conference after a game versus who were they playing I don't even fucking know it doesn't matter Dallas Wings were in it they were in the lead and instead of talking about all the things they did well he said you know we have some selfishness in this locker room people are complaining about the number of shots they're getting boom sorry that was 24 that was great 24 I had to I had to do like a little spanglish in there because I feel like he's gonna hear it and know damn Latina is mad. Yeah and you should be we all should be I'm just I'm just trying to understand I'm just trying to speak his language because clearly it's crazy.
BonnieYeah alleged former coach of women where that's why I asked in the roof I was like did he used to coach men or women because it's giving men he I think he coached like a Florida team I just like again I feel like we talked about no actually we hadn't talked about this yet because I don't think the season started but like why is AZ Fud coming off of the number one pick.
AmandaIf you if you were gonna pick AZ at number one she should be starting and I'm not saying I don't I know there's a lot of talk about people wanting a Rica to be traded because they need to build around Paige but like I think that's crazy. I think they've made deliberate roster moves to support like a rebuilding roster around Paige and that's why I think it makes sense for Aisy not because of their relationship but because of the chemistry that they have already naturally on the court given how many years they played together but you have the number one pick and you're wasting her away on the bench she only had two shots in in her opener.
BonnieYeah that's crazy two shots 18 minutes I heard Gina go off about that too I feel like what is he doing? Like me off I feel like he's like trying to like teach some sort of lesson but like this is not the way to go I'm gonna teach him that's what I'm gonna do.
AmandaYeah that's crazy. We see the fan is showing actually on Sunday oh yeah we do play them so and you know I sit close I sit too close to the Liberty bench I it like if I was close enough to the away bench I would in fact yell at him in Spanish I'll cuss him out in Spanish what would you say I'm gonna find out what kind of what kind of Hispanic he is so that I can speak to him in the proper dialect. Okay let me look it up yeah let's figure it out if he's Puerto Rican I'm gonna be sick Cuban oh wait no sorry this is a baseball player I was just like well oh yeah he is he's Cuban in Spanish I won't I won't get into the things I would like to say so I don't want I don't want to isolate our listeners he needs to get oh wait and he coached in Florida yeah do with with that information what you will a Cuban who is coaching in Florida is he from Florida also oh yeah that says everything I need to know about him so well so they went from man bun to Jose and at first I was just like okay like I think he's better but I think as soon as I saw that press conference I was like whoa whoa whoa whoa I can't believe after three games he goes my players are selfish like yeah I I it's just it's so inappropriate it's so inappropriate like why would you want to follow a leader also yeah exactly you're trying to build rapport with your players and it's not good now you're calling them names it's not good also I don't think I think it might have been it might have been Cheryl Swoops who said it no maybe Cheryl Miller I think it might have been Cheryl Miller just talking about how Dallas played really well in that first half yeah it's just that they kind of lost control of the game in the second half and so they were trying to get out of this funk and so they were like specifically looking for direction yeah for sp specific players to to kind of dig them out of that hole but then also I don't even think it was a player thing at that point because there were so many instances where he should have called a timeout. Right. And he didn't like I feel like oftentimes I'm watching games and I'm just like oh you need a timeout here. They need to settle they need to reset and he didn't do it. So he sucks. It sounds like it's on him because respectfully like unless you've got someone like that's a high volume shooter like a Caitlin who is actually shooting you out of the game like you win by the coach or you lose by the coach coaching is very important and you and oh it was the links it was the links that they played against and then the narrative became oh number two pick Olivia Miles beat number one pick AZ Food first of all it's a team sport. Yeah Olivia did not beat AZ right and AZ like she had a decent game also I just she did play really well I watched it I just don't understand why she's coming off of the bench I feel like why are you playing her and playing yourself? Yeah so whatever man I I really hope to see some improvements. I kind of want him to come out and be like hey sorry he did the moment yeah he should he should he definitely should because I mean even when they were sitting on the bench it was very reminiscent of man bun coaching last season when he was like calling a play and the players were looking at him like what the fuck so I don't know uh I really hope that he turns it around because I just don't think that was cool.
BonnieThey have too much talent on that team it was just not okay.
AmandaSo but I guess that's we'll see that was a little longer than 24 seconds with the analysis and and such but that's that's out on that. We've got a bunch of games coming up I'm sure there's probably like 18 more games later today so we'll be back next week with another episode.
BonnieMore updates another episode and that's it.
AmandaYeah and okay so I mean kind of big one episode 15 episode 15 yeah I fear we're gonna get to like fucking like episode 40 before we can take a break. So yeah thanks for coming on this journey with us we are excited and also tired we're tired yeah but we're yeah no we're powering through we're powering through we're doing it for the girls we're doing it for the girls so let's fingers crossed that Indiana loses later today yeah also Eliza just wanted me to drop in that she did say a Boston Terrier is smaller than a squirrel.
BonnieThat's interesting because I'm editing and I'm definitely cutting that so put that with the other stuff.
AmandaI can't believe you would say this to me after we were touching knees that's I guess that's been another episode of Chasing the W.