The Mudcat Report: Mississippi Gulf Coast Community News & Guests
The Mudcat Report was an idea developed a few years ago from the Mississippi flathead catfish with a little tradition put into this about the blues, government and local community news. Decades of experience will be given to adopt the idea created in this podcast.
Over the last few decades, Americans have been increasingly doubtful about the outlook of government and the quality of the local community's reaction by them. The creation of the Mudcat Report is an evaluation of the local government so the community has a realistic acknowledgement.
HOST: Hunter Dawkins - Owner/Publisher of the award-winning newspaper - The Gazebo Gazette, SuperTalk Mississippi News contributor, Congressional Staffer, Public Relations for the Attorney General's Office
The Mudcat Report: Mississippi Gulf Coast Community News & Guests
The Mudcat Report Episode 17: Tourism
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The Mudcat Report Episode 17: Tourism
HOST: Hunter Dawkins - Owner/Publisher of the award-winning newspaper - The Gazebo Gazette, SuperTalk Mississippi News contributor, former Congressional Staffer, former Public Relations for the Attorney General's Office
PRODUCER: Jeff Clark - Award-Winning Journalist, Multimedia/Podcast Host, Director for the Harrison County Senior Services
GUESTS:
- Kevin Felsher - State Representative District 117
- Kenny Vest - SuperTalk Radio Market/Station Manager, Gulfport/Biloxi
Welcome to the Mudcat Report, community news, politics, and culture with a local twist. Here's your host, owner, and publisher of the Gazebo Gazette, Hunter Dawkins.
SPEAKER_12Good afternoon. My name is Hunter Dawkins, the host of the Mudcat Report, the Mississippi Gulf Coast Community News Podcast. This is the 17th episode sponsored by the Gazebo Gazette of Harrison County's independent newspaper. And we are here always in the U.S. Marine Inc. Studio. I'm here with my wonderful producer of the show, Jeff Clark. Jeff is a well-accomplished award-winning journalist and director of the Harrison County Senior Services. Jeff, how are you, my friend?
SPEAKER_11Doing well, Hunter. Or I am well, I should say. Um good. Uh looking forward to this episode. Can't can't wait to hear what everyone says has to say about it. And our topic today is Tourism. True. That's what I thought.
SPEAKER_12And uh, you know, I'll definitely think you've got a lot more input of that than most.
SPEAKER_11Well, you know, I'm just I I I grew up in North Mississippi, as I've said many, many times. I I moved here about 11, 12 years ago, but I mean, you know, coming to Biloxi on vacations, uh there, you know, it was a huge part of my life. A huge part of growing up in North Mississippi was vacationing on the coast. Uh, you know, my good friend Kendra Simpson works in the tourism office. Uh I worked at, you know, did the uh was a communications director of the Mississippi Aquarium for a while. I mean, it's uh, you know, I I worked in the tourism industry and uh, you know, I I love telling people all over the south, all over the United States about the Mississippi Gulf Coast and love for them to come down here and uh spend their money.
SPEAKER_12And you know, Jeff, the biggest thing that I tell people all the time, I live where people want to come. I live where people want to vacation.
SPEAKER_11Well, we live in the past, and and that's our hidden gem. So, like, no, you know, we I know I'm just kidding. But yeah, even with Pass Christian, it's uh with getting the St. James Cheese Company and all the stuff going on in the bungalows area, Coast Casual, Nine Toes Brewing Company, uh all of that. I mean, we're definitely seeing an influx people starting to want to come visit the Pass.
SPEAKER_12Absolutely, absolutely. Well, uh, if you're ready, we can go ahead and get to our first guest.
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SPEAKER_12I would like to introduce my first guest, District 117, State House, Representative Kevin Felscher. Kevin has served in the state legislature since January of 2020. Representing Biloxi, Representative Felsher. Was there any legislation that would help the Gulf Coast tourism market this year in the state legislature?
SPEAKER_10Well, we had the bill to make tourism its own standalone agency again. And you know, we did that last year and it was vetoed by the governor, and this year the House and the Senate couldn't come to terms to bring it forward, which is really disappointing to me. Hunter, tourism has a 18 point, I think a 18.1 billion dollar total economic impact on this state. 44 million visitors, the fourth largest driver in our state economy. It deserves its own standalone agency, and we need to move forward on that.
SPEAKER_12Absolutely. Can you provide the listeners a short summary of, like I said, a short summary of things that happened in the legislature this session outside of education? Because we've obviously I've had a lot of people talk about that. And I know that's important to you, so I'm not trying to take away from the important subject for you, but as far as everything else goes.
SPEAKER_10Sure, sure. Well, some coastal-centric issues, I think. Number one was the windstorm mitigation program that will allow $10,000 grants for homeowners and create resiliency in our coastal home population. And that therefore encourage insurance providers to come and underwrite policies in on the Gulf Coast and in Mississippi. It's a statewide program. We do think the coast will be able to be in a position to take most advantage of it. But I'm really excited about that, Bill. Um, in addition to that, affecting our law enforcement and teachers were the um the PERGE, the new PERGE restrictions that went into place or terms last time, which bumped our retirement age to 35 years for teachers and for law enforcement officers and all those M-PERG. And we felt that was unreasonable. We we listened to our law enforcement um associations and we rolled that back to 30 years, also reduced the um the span of averaging out your retirement back to eight years instead of four years, and we did put a provision in there that allows former PERGE members uh the right to come back and work and earn up to 80% of their salary. So that was huge. Um also on the on the healthcare front, which I'm passionate about, uh I was able to serve on the uh cancer coalition as chairman of that over the summer, and we brought forward several pieces of legislation. I'm proud to say we were able to pass uh Jill's law, which uh requires insurance companies to cover biomarker testing. They cannot refuse that. They have to cover it also uh to require them to cover um metastatic uh cancer and stop the um step therapies, where they're basically, in my opinion, insurance companies are the shot callers, not the doctors. It just shouldn't be that way. Um and then uh I don't know if you want to talk about projects or whatever separate, but I do think that was huge. For the first time in a couple years, we actually brought home projects through Gulf Coast Restoration, Tidelance, etc. I think we brought home $131 million in projects from all our funding sources to the test.
SPEAKER_12That includes what most would think of as the BP money, correct, Representative Felser?
SPEAKER_10That's correct. Yes. I think we did um 40 million, I think, and then an additional 14 million in a revolving loan fund. Unfortunately, that revolving loan fund and the idea behind that was to always keep the money perpetual and keep that money going in perpetuity and um let the applicants have a little bit more skin in the game. Um and the governor vetoed that under the pretense of the fact that there were not guardrails. Uh, I believe there were guardrails listed in the bill, and the fact that he thought it was duplicative because MDA already does that. The legislature understood MDA does that to a degree we wanted a um secondary option, and the governor vetoed it. So the house, when we came back in on April 15th, the House overrode that veto and sent it to the Senate. Unfortunately, the Senate could not uh muster up the votes to even take that bill up, and the two that they did take up failed.
SPEAKER_12Jeez, geez. Well, and as you spoke about, you know, with talking about uh Representative uh Yuri's former uh late uh late wife uh Casey's law that you had passing. Uh looks like you were, and I've been around Representative Felser around the legislature most of my life, but you were pretty successful getting the governor to sign at least, I believe, three or four bills that will ultimately take effect in July 1st. Talk to me about other than uh Jill's law, talk to me about the other bills that you were able to get passed.
SPEAKER_10Well, I did mention the metastatic uh step therapy repeal. We that was one of them. And then the the other one that was huge to me was the um false reporting of child abuse. You know, we have a lot of people who weaponize CPS against other folks, and it's happened to a couple of my constituents. And after hearing the nightmare stories, I dedicated myself to passing some legislation that holds people accountable who do such a thing. So if you do that now, after July 1st, you can face up to one year in prison, a $5,000 fine, and uh you can also have to pay restitution to CPS and whoever the prosecuting authority is. And we did expand that to county prosecutors, the DA and the attorney general. So that that one was dear to me. And one that I worked on uh that I'm really proud of, it ended up being a Senate bill, but it it requires a computer science and AI component in uh in the graduating class of I believe 2029. So by then you will have to um begin having a component of AI and computer science as a Carnegie unit, I believe, to graduate. And I was really proud of that. I think I I believe that computer science and and learning about AI is almost just as important as learning any other math and science in this day and age.
SPEAKER_12Of course, of course, and as you spoke of being you were a have been a big um person behind the healthcare industry, and especially as this, and I I'm not sure as I've written editorials about it, about how this is a big step for improving the tourism market is having better health care down here. And you have obviously done your your measures and taking that into effect. What over your your time of service, what bills you know are have been become important to you and what have you not been successful with, but you really want to go back to and trying to help make things different.
SPEAKER_10Well, Hunter, you may or may not know, but mental health has been my passion since I've gotten into the uh legislature.
SPEAKER_12That's what I was gonna ask you about, Representative Felcher, but I was letting you take the the read on that.
SPEAKER_10Sure, sure. And um I have worked along with Representative Creepmore and others tirelessly to improve our mental health system in Mississippi. When I came in, it was unacceptable to me the things that were happening in our mental health population. And I am proud to say, I think we've gone from 47th or 48th to the last ranking I looked at, I think it was by Mental Health America, was about 26. So that's it took six and a half years to get there, but we're moving the needle. And I cannot state to you um how important mental health is to me. And the legislation that we've authored has done everything from provide more funding for mental health care and expanding it to ensuring that folks who are committed for mental health are rightfully committed, uh, that it cannot be used as a weapon to commit someone, and also that the civil rights of someone who is rightfully committed are not violated. And so those are some things I worked on in the healthcare field. But in addition to that, just general health care uh legislation. Uh I've worked with, you know, like I said, my friend and chairman um Sam Creetmore, and we have advanced several pieces of legislation to uh repeal some outdated CON laws to allow for the expansion and investment in hospitals and healthcare throughout the state and expanding scope of practice in some areas. So I'm really proud of that. Hunter, you said it. We have to move the needle on healthcare. Yes, we've had the Mississippi miracle in education. We're continuing to invest in that. We have to do the same in healthcare because without your health, what's anything else worth, right? So that's what we're working on.
SPEAKER_12One last question, Representative Felscher. What, you know, I know that the Harrison County Board of Supervisors have really worked hard on this, obviously, with the the you know, debacle a few years ago from embezzlement. But um is there another mental health care facility down here, or are we still using the Pine Belt uh one up in in Hattiesburg?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, so Pine Belt is actually our Cachamont regional provider for our mental health care services. The county contracts with them, like other counties throughout the state, and they are our provider. And I think they're doing the best job they can do. Um, everyone can always do better, including me. Uh, but we meet monthly. I started a monthly meeting about six, seven months ago, I suppose, where we have all the mental health folks, including members of the county supervisors, ambulance, a chancery clerk's office. I wanted everyone in the room that has a stake in our mental health safety net in Harrison County. And we meet once a month and we talk about all the issues. I'm pleased to report that in 2027, I believe, maybe late this year or early 2027, there's going to be the Harrison County uh diversion center that will open as a single point of entry for our law enforcement and to offer another ancillary source of mental health care. This has been huge. Marlon Ladner and the Board of Supervisors have been very supportive. The state uh stepped up, I think, with the grant. We just got some opioid settlement money for that. So I'm pleased to report after like 12 to 15 years of talking about it, we're finally getting it done. I'm excited about that. In addition to that, the Department of Mental Health is working on, I think, possibly three regional uh acute sort of crisis centers to buttress what we already have. So, Hunter, my focus is making sure that we have all the mental health care we need for our people. And I think we're getting there.
SPEAKER_12Representative Felsher, please feel free to let us know how to get in touch with you if uh any of the audience or listeners need to.
SPEAKER_10Yes, so you you can always email me at kfelscher at house.ms.gov, and I will kindly respond to you.
SPEAKER_12We look forward to having you on again, sir. You take care of yourself. Thank you for the opportunity.
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SPEAKER_12The Gazebo Gazette is Harrison County's only independent newspaper. Publishing news from Gulfport to Bay St. Louis every Friday. Hi, this is Hunter Dawkins, owner of the Gazebo Gazette. If you're looking for local news without the hassle of sorting through story after digital story, log on to thegazeboGazette.com. Add your name to the digital audience of 250,000 plus coast residents who already know where to find the stories that matter to them. Now I would love to introduce my final guest and a legend in the Gulf Coast music business, my good friend Kenny Vest, the marketing manager and head of the Super Talk Radio Station here on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. How are you, my friend? I'm great, Hunter. How are you, man? I'm doing well. Talk to me, Kenny, about how concerts, sports, and other forms of entertainment have been so big for the radio station on the coast.
SPEAKER_02Well, I mean, we've, you know, we've been here for almost 31 years with CPR. We all came over from New Orleans to flip a country station called uh US 98. And uh originally I thought I'd be here about a year, and here we are 31 years later. Uh a few years after we signed on, we got into the concert business. We s we wanted to do something called CPR Fest. Uh where I came from, we did something called Zephyr Fest in New Orleans, which turned into the Endfest, which eventually turned into Voodoo Fest. So we wanted to try one over here. We did it, and we've been doing it ever since. Uh, concerts and and uh festivals that we do are part of the fabric of CPR and pretty much have become part of the fabric of the coast. Uh most people know CPR fests. Um so that's uh that's where we are now.
SPEAKER_12I realize it's been pretty tough for y'all the last 20 years since the Hurricane Katrina, but under your observation, do you believe that the overall music industry is still attracted to coming here and providing?
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. Um, you know, we we've stacked up the rock shows, and and uh yeah, I have a unique uh relationship with not only the promoters, the record we're a promoter too, but live nation and and guys like that, um record companies. We have strong relationships. We have strong relationships with management and and with the actual artists themselves. So we kind of have the freedom to talk to all of them. Uh in the business, a promoter doesn't talk to the label or the uh or management, it's always a really yeah, they only talk to agents, and it's almost like you can't do that. And everybody understands that you can't talk to management. I mean, there's certain occasions where you can, but yeah, yeah, yeah. For the most part, you don't do that as a promoter, you go deal with the agents. So I have the luxury of talking to everybody. I was a good friend, yeah. A lot of the shows that are coming in and have over the years, they would have not been here if it wasn't for this radio station because uh, you know, we play their new music, we we promote the the shows, and it's a track record of pretty much 30 years of success. Some of these shows have been some of the uh the biggest grossing shows of tours over the years. So so yeah, it's a good thing. Um, you know, we're not a we're not a large market, a lot of you know, on paper, you wouldn't play this market so much, but they keep coming back, and uh here we are.
SPEAKER_12CPR Fest was essentially your creation, and I have always been a massive fan of 97.9. What do you think keeps this station going and what does it need to improve?
SPEAKER_02Well, the station is new unique, it's it's not like any other rock station. I'm sure everybody that runs their radio stations feels the same way, but we um we pride ourselves on being different and not a cookie-cutter presentation on the air. Our imaging is is what's on in between songs, is is just ridiculous, goofy stuff that that we come up with, and we put it on the radio. You're not gonna hear it at any other station in the country because unless they're copying us, which I've there are some, they ask permission, but so we have that element. It's it's kind of uh CPR's always been uh kind of self-deprecating with a with a quirky attitude. Uh I believe in strong on-air personalities. Uh, you know, with our morning show, with the WTF morning show with Tic Tac Dan and Dina and Scott Fox is a legend. Uh, we have super talented people, and and that's important today to to deliver something that's unique. Uh, because there's a lot of options now to listen to music, and our presentation is unique and different, and it's been successful.
SPEAKER_12Where do you think are parts that you might need to improve? I mean, I'm not saying that there is there, because I personally think that you guys are the best of the best.
SPEAKER_02But do you see something that maybe y'all should work on or you can always improve when you think you're you don't need improvement, that's when you die. So we we evolve uh with the times 2026. We embrace TikTok. We go live on TikTok every morning. We uh we embrace Facebook, we have 138,000 people that follow CPR on Facebook. Uh between CPR and 1059 the monkey, we have around 500,000. So uh old school and stuck in your ways uh radio doesn't work. And so we're always evolving, always looking for new things, and uh that's what we're that's what we do.
SPEAKER_12Now I know you spoke to me earlier about the promotion, uh, with since y'all are your the main market, the radio station is on the coast, the main market. I mean, do you let the surroundings, the beach and all promote itself, or do y'all you know try to find some level of promotion, not only with CPR, but with other super talk radio stations, or do you have something that y'all try to get involved in with promotion?
SPEAKER_02Well, we we try to get involved with everything possible. I obviously our our our job here is to increase revenue. However, there's times where you have to be in the public. You know, if you're visible, uh, you're not always making money at some of these events, uh, but you're visible to to the the coast and residents and the top of mind awareness because uh, you know, our our job on the programming side on our radio stations is to get ratings because ratings turn into national dollars. So yeah, we try to get involved in any anything we can that we we physically can get involved with and talk about on the air and go out to events, and and we've done that from from day one, and we'll can we'll continue to do that, Hunter.
SPEAKER_12I've never asked this question of you, Kenny, and and this is just not only for the the show, but also personally. How do how do y'all determine are those ratings released like every Monday, or is there something that that you know increases that you think, okay, well we're doing this, it's working, we need to do more of it. Uh I'm trying to kind of follow file, I can follow where that's coming from.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Uh you know, ratings are from a company called Nielsen. They also do TV, they do it twice a year here. So we get ratings twice a year. The market gets ratings. Um, so it's not weekly by any means, it's not like television where you can see what happened last night. Um, but over the years, our gut feeling and and the response from listeners, we know when something is working. Uh uh, if there's not a lot of activity, if there's a not a not a lot of response, then that's a good barometer that, hey, this might not be working, whatever it may be. Uh, if the phones are blowing up, if we go out somewhere and we ask people to come out and they show up and drove, then we know we're doing something right. So uh it's not like you have this uh, you know, like I said, these ratings coming out every week. Uh so you you really have to know where you're going uh and maneuver your formats to where a lot of it is gut feeling in this market. And we've uh, you know, if we've been fortunate, it's got Fox and I on CPR and then the whole team here uh within the whole building. Uh we all have the same goal and we uh we all have the same uh mindset of uh communicating and and and we've always uh my door is always open, there's no bad idea. Uh so if we feel like something's not working, then we uh adjust it and go move it uh or go in a different direction. But so that's uh that's how we uh roll through the year. So it comes out twice a year, but you know, around those twice a year, with you know, you have to have a good vision and and and and good uh good ears is what we call in the business on music. And and I think in this building we have some of the most talented people in the country. And I'm not just saying that. Uh, you know, tic-tac, one of our morning guys, he's he's been on in New York City and Dallas and Houston and Phoenix and you name it. He's been there and he's been with us for 11 years. And you know, Scott Fox is one of the best music directors in the country as far as rock radio. So good team, good communication, and uh that's that's how we uh that's how we make adjustments.
SPEAKER_12Well, you know, I'm you're I'm always a big fan of you guys, and uh I appreciate everything that y'all do for us. Let everybody know how to get in touch with you guys.
SPEAKER_02Well, you can uh you know, on social media, we you know you can hit us up on Facebook. Um you can uh go to STMM Digital if you want to have digital marketing. But if you're a listener, you know, you just call the CPR request line at 388-2771. If you're a business and want to advertise with us, it's 228-388-2001. But uh we're pretty easy to get to.
SPEAKER_12Thank you very much, my friend. You take care of yourself.
SPEAKER_02All right, hunter. Good seeing you at Crawfish Fest and uh good seeing you today, man.
SPEAKER_12All right, my friend. Take care.
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SPEAKER_06Thank you, Hunter. As always, it's a pleasure to review realtor topics and uh hopefully it helps people, right? So, what should we do we should we be doing for you, the buyer or the seller? First thing I would say is, and it's in the actual disclosure everybody signs when they work with an agent, is ensure all parties are represented fairly and honestly. It's called fair and honest dealings. And if I'm helping you or anyone out, before I can even show you a house, you know, you sign that disclosure, and it's not even a contract, it protects you as a person, and I'm supposed to explain that for him to you and say, hey, before we do anything real estate, I am licensed, I am liable, I am here to help you, give you fair and honest dealings, get the most I can for your house, confidentiality. I'm not gonna, if you're a seller, I'm not gonna tell people your bottom line, that's a secret. So, um, so we'll start with that. The first thing is that we are fair, and sometimes realtors get a bad rap, and sometimes there's realtors that have caused that. But uh, I know I'm one of the realtors that considers myself pretty by the book and just trying to solve the problem. I just want to be part of the solution, right? So if you're selling a puppy or Avon, whatever it is, there's liabilities when you're selling a house times three times ten. Okay. All right, well, I would say uh another thing we do, we we make sure that the people who maybe they were they've never sold a home before, or they've never bought a home before, we make sure that we weed through the shaky buyers for the sellers, buyers that maybe aren't a good idea to deal with. We can see problems coming before they start when a realtor's been doing this 10 years, and if it is a buyer, we're also looking for sellers that might be a problem. You know, if we're putting in a really healthy offer and it's like full price or near full price, and then we hear there's a multiple offer situation, it doesn't mean you panic. You know, sometimes you leave your offer right where it is, even though there's other offers. So we're making we're weeding through the shakiness and the things that come up that seem unpredictable. And one of the other unpredictable things, like for sellers, is you know, they get an offer and it's got 10 contingencies on it, and the price looks great, and they say they're cash, but there's all these contingencies, so um, you know, you're not you're not really aware how much we help you until you actually deal with a good realtor. That's one thing I would say, and we want to help them determine the value that's correct if they're selling.
SPEAKER_12What are some of the things that determine the value?
SPEAKER_06Oh, okay, that's a good one. Let's start with location. You know the old saying, location, location, location. All right. Uh, let's start with what are things selling for around you? If you're in a nice neighborhood and and you think your house is a castle, we all kind of feel like that when we love our home. Doesn't mean it's worth three times what the market says. Uh so people will hear realtors say, well, the market says your house is worth this. And some sellers don't want to accept that. No, no, it's it's got to be worth more. I've got a double granite countertop, I've got a fountain that shoots out gold in the backyard, and I've got three kittens with it. So I think I should get a hundred thousand more. And we have to rein people in and say, I love your kittens, I love your granite. And the last year in your neighborhood, people have paid this amount, and though, and that's where we start thinking like an appraiser. So we're like, okay, wait, we can go out two miles and look at the last sales in the last year within two miles of this property, and we can see what people have been paying. And we also look at the square footage, and that's really important, Hunter, because if your house is 2,000 square feet and you saw one sell for a million and it had 3,000 square feet, and you're like, Well, mine's worth that too. You're a thousand square feet smaller, so I can't even count that house as a comparable cell, right? When we determine the value, it is the critical, probably the most critical thing we do as your listing agent, because that price is the first thing they see, just like the pictures. And if we priced you so high that you seem ridiculous, they're not coming. And then guess who you don't like? Me, the realtor. You don't like me anymore. So I'm kind of an upfront realtor. I think a lot of us are after we've been in a while. And we say, look, in all honesty, right now, this is what the market says your house is worth. Other things we're gonna help you with is um determining what is the inside of the house worth. Um, appraisals are gonna change next year uh across the country, and there will be different data inputs into determining what your house is worth. So we're gonna be on top of that. Um, and so if you're trying to sell on your own, you know, we can be really helpful and deal with all these unexpected things that happen when you try to uh sell on your own. Um and you know, we've talked about sellers a lot, so okay, I'm just gonna put this out there. If you're thinking of selling on your own, that some of the things we're doing for you, the seller, to make it easier is photos, professional photos. We pay for those. A lot of our photographers have drones. We're taking the calls because it's our number on the sign. So if it's a looky loo, it's not an ideal buyer. We've got our radar out there, so we're taking that hassle, you know, out of it.
SPEAKER_12If you are thinking about selling on your own, maybe ask Steph. If you would like to talk to Stephanie to help determine your next steps, call today at 228-563-0471, or call her at the office and ask for Steph at 228-452-4242. Steph has the latest information to help you get through the process with reasonable expectations. Again, that's 228-563-0471 to speak directly with Stephanie. We gratefully appreciate you listening to this podcast and we thank you again, Jeff. It was a great show, and it was very good to learn quite a few things, not only about you know the BP money, healthcare industry, you know, from the state legislature, where they're they're sitting with the tourism market, but also getting involved in the local entertainment and how that's uh really affecting the area.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, it was a very interesting show for sure. Definitely.
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