Your Baby Does Not Need A Wipe Warmer

You can buy every “must have” on the internet and still feel like you’re drowning at 2 a.m. So we’re bringing the real postpartum talk: three nurse moms, a lot of honesty, and the baby registry lessons we learned the hard way.

We get into the postpartum essentials that actually made recovery and newborn life easier, including the unglamorous stuff like stool softeners, Miralax, and Dermoplast, plus nipple care favorites like Silverettes and nipple balm. We also call out the popular products that felt like pure consumerism once real life hit, like wipe warmers and “hands free” pumping bras that don’t stay put. If you’re breastfeeding or pumping, we talk nursing bras, portable breast pumps for working moms, and why catching letdown with a simple milk collector can save your sanity.

Then we move into the daily grind: cold vs warm bottles, when a bottle warmer is worth it, bottle washing and sterilizing routines, and diaper pails that truly contain the smell until you have to change them. We also talk about sleep gear, swaddle transitions, and the emotional side of postpartum life, from phantom cries to the power of a five minute shower, a stocked freezer, and leaning on your village.

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Transcript

Welcome Back And No Sleep

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Hey guys. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Welcome to Mamish.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Yeah. Welcome to Mamish, your weekly yap session. I'm Gabby. I'm Katie.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

And I'm Taylor. Welcome. Yeah, we haven't seen each other in like a week and a half. So we're like, I know. I'm like, what's new, guys? I feel like I haven't seen you in literally forever. Nothing much. Mostly just trying to prevent myself from being having a menti b. Yeah, menti bee. That's where I'm at. Stay awake. Are you tired? Yeah. Boeing out sleeping great. Yeah. My kids did not go to sleep until midnight last night. Not by my choice. We tried. Crew's just going through something right now. Him and Bowie may some time. They're conspiring against us. So they're like on their water talk. He's hate me. Yeah. And Noah said, I'm not going to bed either. And I said, and so it just is, yeah, it was a bad it was a bad night. I was desperate enough to find a YouTube video that's supposed to make your kid fall asleep in 15 minutes. That's a lie. Because my kids were still awake, going down the YouTube rabbit. They were like UFC fighting on the floor, and I'm just sitting there like looking at the ceiling. And Tenoah's like, Mom, what's wrong?

SPEAKER_01 1:35

And I'm like, I'm gonna go to bed. You guys can stay up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Best of luck with this. I'll sleep where you land. Like, I don't, I don't have any right now. I'm so mad at you both, but I love you. That's a very conflicting feeling. I feel conflicted. I I just got back from vacation, but then literally landed and then started work the next day. So I'm like, there was no like decompression from my dear eye decretion. I need a break. Yeah, you need a break from your vacation. Well it's like I need to slowly get back into it, not just like full send. Cause like when you have kids, you can't just like drop everything and go to back to work. Like it's just like, you know, then you're waiting, you come back and you've got like 900 years of laundry and you know, all the things. Yeah, it's a whole thing. So I always give myself, I try to give myself a day. Yeah, yeah, five more days.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Just didn't have another vacation before I go back to work from my pitch. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

You just vacation for your vacation. Get my life back together. Yeah, I came back from vacation and Otis, my dog, was so mad at me. My kids couldn't they didn't give a shit, but they're like, oh, you're back. That's cool. Oh, you, that's right. You are my mom.

SPEAKER_01 2:45

Oh is Otis okay now?

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

It's back to his normal.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Uh it took about a day and a half, but like literally wouldn't look at me. He said, You left me with all these pay balls. Like this mad house. I know. It's like why didn't you take it I know he's like the kids are helping with the fucking kids? What like I need a vacation?

SPEAKER_01 3:05

I didn't sign up for this shit. Otis needs a vacation.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

My mom today was like, I was looking at Otis and he just looks very old. And I'm like, he is old. He's old, my at least he still has eyes. There is that. He does have that going.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

Yeah. His knee might be messed up, but he got eyes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

But he got eyes. Oh, I have a funny story to tell you guys. So last night I was giving my dogs my dogs. My kids. Common mistake. I mean, honestly, it takes me like four names to get to the correct one at this point when I'm trying to get somebody's attention. So I was giving the kids a bath last night, and all I hear all of a sudden I just hear this like screaming. And it's like a dog scream. So I'm like a dog scream. Yeah. So I made that. Like Winston and Cupcake squaring up all the time, even though Winston is a dick because my dog is blind. So he's trying to fight with just picking on the weakest link. Picking on the weakest link. That's fucked up. So I like froze for a second and it was I didn't hear Winston. So I'm like, what is that noise? And Noah's looking at me like, what is that? And so crew's in the bath. And McNoah's like, you can leave us here. I'm like, no, no, no. Not leaving a baby in the bath. So I had to like Noah. Wait, Noah's. I'll watch him. And I was like, I appreciate your being so responsible, but so cute. So I like got him out really quick and I'm like, hearing this screaming, I ran downstairs and cupcake, my 17-year-old poodle with no eyes, had gotten her foot somehow stuck in the like grate of the dishwasher. Like not the grate, but like the basket where the the basket, where the yeah. I have no idea. So she's like kind like literally like upside down with her little foot. Like I felt so bad for her, but it was like, now that I think about it, it was very funny. But just imagine not being able to see, and then all of a sudden you're stuck in a dishwasher of all things. You're like, I damn it, where am I? Winston put her in. So bad trying to Winston. Yeah, he's my little He said, You're going in the very devious little shit. But I felt so good for her. I was like, oh my god, cuppy, come upstairs with me. You're not safe.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

You can't be down here with these. You can't be trusted alone.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

You know the little pouch you have, the kangaroo pouch. You need to just keep her in that. I feel like I need to get a smaller one because it's like it hangs really low. So it is a kangaroo pouch. It hurts my back. Yeah. I have a little like sack for my poodle that needs to be. Yeah, she just needs to stay in that. Yeah. Honestly, what's the wrap that you get for newborns where you have to like do origami to put it on? Yeah, I have one of those. I mean yeah, I can put her in there. I was gonna give it to my friend Caitlin, but I maybe have it. You're like, sorry, I actually need that for my dog. Yeah, and she also wearing Cruz diaper today because she's also having diarrhea. So we might be going to the Mater. It's been a rough week in the parson house. Not gonna lie to you. I know. It's crazy. I feel like I don't see you guys for it hasn't even been two weeks. It's like it feels like I haven't seen you guys in forever. I know. Well, it's just like I'm fucking lonely. I want to get out and do something. That's half the thing, though. Coordinating three nurse schedules and then three nurses with multiple children. Yeah. It's a lot. And then like having to coordinate, like, all right, well, if we're gonna record, do we have child care? Yeah. And so today's defeat was uh honestly, I'm impressed that we got here because we made it. Gabby had to get a babysitter. Taylor's mom's here watching, my husband's at home with the kids, and Taylor has to work tonight. So here we are. Taylor is sacrificing her sleep a little bit so that we can And I was like, Are you pretty sure you're good?

SPEAKER_01 6:40

She was like, Oh, I don't sleep anyway.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

I'm like, Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm usually up by 2 p.m. anyway. So it's wild.

Nurse Life And Exhaustion Math

SPEAKER_01 6:46

You know what? Have you ever seen that triangle? I remember them talking about this in college. It's like you can only pick two, and it's like sleep, a social life, or there's one more thing. Maybe it was some mental well-being, mental health. You can only have two at one time.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Yeah, you can't sleep and be mentally well and also have a social life. So it's either it just rotates or you know, like I'm always I feel like I'm always exhausted. Oh, yeah, baseline exhaust. Night shift is just, you know, I still like I sometimes I get adequate sleep and I'm still tired. But when I'm like not sleeping well, like this week I've had to wake up early, not sleep. Yeah, like a hangover that nurse hangover. Honestly, it's honestly you really do. It's like you're tired to your bones. Like I'd like, and I don't think anyone can understand it unless you've ever worked in healthcare because it's like you go to work, you care for people who are assholes. Like I'm an asshole patient. Those are the ones that survive, you know. They're always like roaches. Yes, I work in kids with wicked. So I tailor them out of this one. Yeah, Taylor can't relate. Well, the adult population, the nurses have a term for people that are just not nice to their nurses or in in general, and but they get sick and they always don't return their shopping cart. Yeah. Or they'll like let your their shopping cart hit your car and then like not say anything, you know. There is a term. They're called cockroaches, and they are the people that continuously rebound hospital visit after when I think everything. They survived everything. The brink of death is always imminent, but they're always somehow they come to nine. That's true. Some people are past the the Lord above that they've got some deal with the devil. Limited to nine. They're Illuminati. Yeah. So the Illuminati. But yeah, so it's like psych fatigued from being a caregiver. Yeah. I struggle because I work night shift because it's better for just my life, like seeing my kids. You know, it's like a choice I make. But I'm like, I just can't imagine going to work day shift. You leave at 5 30 in the morning, you don't get home until after eight. I I literally wouldn't see my kid that day. That's so hard. So I like take advantage of being able to work nights, but it is. Then you sacrifice sleep. And that's the thing, is like with when I worked in the surgery center for a six-month stint, it was like that was nuts. I felt very duped because I was not told that I had to be there at 6 a.m. until after I had already accepted the job. I was told it was a varying start time.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

That's how they get you.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

They just need people and then like by varying, we mean six to six oh five. Yeah. And got written up for being late. I was also pregnant, wasn't sleeping well. Yeah, that was nuts. He would text us at like 4 a.m. and be like, up for work. Yeah. I'm like, this is the middle of the night. It is. And I was like, I was going to bed before Noah. Like, cookout is closing. Yeah. We shouldn't be waking up for work. Ours are closing. I was literally going to bed before Noah was.

unknown 9:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:43

I'm like saying goodnight to my three-year-old and going to bed. I remember that because I feel like you're the friend that like I could text at 3:30 in the morning and you'll probably answer. And I'm like, you you're not even at work tonight. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But then I'm like, it's like 8 30, and you're like, sorry, I'm uh I'm going to bed. That sucked. Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, I never and I was working four days a week. So I never saw Noah. And I was also pregnant and hating life, but I mean I've said it so many times, like that's the beauty of nursing though, that you can kind of change it to your where you are in life. And you know, once their kids are in school, like full time, you know, you know, maybe might want to do day shift, but not as a staff nurse. I can't or quit. Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

I would like to cut my hours down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

Yeah. Well, if one day that might be the period.

SPEAKER_01 10:32

That would be the dream.

SPEAKER_00 10:33

Yeah. I'm also just not gonna work day shift at an ICU because why would I work harder for less money? It doesn't make sense. It makes no sense. And they're like, it doesn't like people they're like, well, I just like can't do it. I also feel like my body rejects it sometimes, but uh But then I look at my paycheck and I'm like that work and also like on it's so overstimulating I would be fired. I don't want to walk my therapy at 9 a.m.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Who wants to do that?

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Yeah, no, I don't feel like I gotta feed them three meals. I don't want to feed you.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

I don't want to do what's it, S B T, S A T.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

Oh, we do those on nights.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Oh, no, we have to do some of them on days. That's a terrible time to do it because then they're delirious.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Well, we do it at like 6 a.m. So it's not like it's 3 a.m. We do it on right before day shift gets there so that we can leave them all like nice and pissed off when day shift gets there. And I'm like that's a no for me. I at least don't have to deal with it. I love when my patients are like, you can turn the light on. No, no, no. No, I'm used to please no. I'm used to working in the dark, and that's how I like it. Like I want to turn it off. I have no desire to turn the light on. I will squint. I will use a flashlight before I turn this the overhead light on. You ever like be in the patient's room and it's night shift? Obviously, they're sleeping, it's dark, and you're just trying to like do a quick little ninja ninja. Hang some fluids or something quick, and then they open their eyes and you're like a foot from their face. Oh, it's like trying to like not wake up your kid. I'm so sorry. I'm gonna leave now. I'm not weird. I promise. Slowly. I've full-blown like ninja my way into some rooms without like waking up sleeping patient. It's a feat. It is, and I am proud of myself. It's taken a few years, but sometimes you you gotta wake them up. But if they're like crazy agitated, just want to get in, look, check their urine output, make sure they're still breathing. Yeah, like bye-bye. Yeah, we uh good. That's why I love the ICU, because like I don't always have to like go in there and check to see if they're alive. Yeah, you can see everything. So, right, I know everybody listening. Our nurse friends out there have a no 6 45 a.m. code means it's that the nurse hasn't looked at their patient all fucking night, and now they found out they've been dead for three hours. So yeah, that happens more than you'd think. Oh god, anyway. That'd be a way to end uh night shift. Oh, I know. We always get it's it's a 645 a.m.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

code, but you're like, mm-mm. The patients call and then I'm like, so you haven't checked on your patient. How long have they been on the floor in the bathroom for? Oh god, just now checking on sad.

Registry Reality And Consumer Traps

SPEAKER_00 12:54

Well, guys, we were about mother-y things and the baby things that we found to be helpful. So like postpartum items that we found beneficial, essential.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Yeah, I'm I'm essential and non-essential.

SPEAKER_00 13:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

I'm trying to do that.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

The amount of shit that you need and don't need.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Oh yeah, yeah. Consumerism. Consumerism at its finest.

SPEAKER_00 13:13

Honestly. Oh, yeah. All honesty that I bought with Noah and that is now either rotting away in my attic or convinced some poor soul that they needed this and so I could get rid of it. I feel like as a person that I hate clutter. Oh my god, I am like cluttering. I like stuff. I like shopping, but I hate clutter. And that's the like the thought I kind of went into when I was like making my registry that I'm like, I want the what I need, all the things that are gonna make my life easier, but no more than that. Yeah, nothing. Not getting a wipe warmer. Oh yeah, no. Okay, yeah. I didn't get one of those because that's fucking stupid. Newborn babies cry. They're gonna cry regardless. Regardless. They cry all the time. And a cold wipe or a warm wipe, they're still gonna get pissed as soon as you take that onesie off. Yep. They're gonna be pissed. Also, like I'm assuming that has to be plugged in. Are we only changing their diaper in one area? Because I feel like I've changed their diaper literally wherever. The counter, the table, the couch. Well, I think people that whoever these wipe warmer companies are, they're banking on like first-time parents because I feel like once someone's done it before, they realize like they're changing diapers pretty much everywhere, but the changing table. Also, like multiple times an hour. Yeah. I don't have time to think about a warm wipe. Just literally give me anything. Yeah, I mean, new worn babies shit and piss so much, and they're skin sensitive, and like it's just it's like it's a waste of money. So that's number one. I was just having this conversation with a friend that's expecting, and she was like asking about my registry. You know, it's like you want to give your two cents, but I mean, do what you want, yeah, get what you want. But I'm like, these are the things, these are the non-negotiables for me, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

I think I looked at your registry a lot just to like compare, like, okay, this is a good idea. Maybe I should get this, or like this. Yeah, I've seen you know, Charlie use this, and I really liked it. I'm gonna try that. Um, so it was nice to compare. But I do see a lot of people on TikTok that they're like, oh, rate my registry, and like this girl will be like, No, you don't need this, or like, yes, that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

I mean, whatever's gonna make you feel like most secure, but I feel like a lot of things, especially the second time mom, there were so many things that I had with Noah that I just did not use. And it was just a waste of money for the person that bought it, or the wait a waste of money for me. And a lot of it was like the postpartum stuff too. I feel like I did not use a peri bottle like at all. I did with Charlie. Really? Yeah, I had a third degree tear. That's yeah, that's different. I guess I had to really, I guess for me, like I didn't, which I think it's something you should still have. So that's that's a one that I kind of want to put out there as like a unsure. You might need it, you might not. Also, you get so much stuff from the hospital, like post-partum stuff. But they sent me back with like or home with a huge bag of stuff. So yeah. So a lot of it I used of like the hospital stuff before I even got into the stuff that I needed that I bought. And so I felt like what they give you being able to do that. Otherwise, it's going in the trash. So might as well just use that first before. Because that Freedom Om, I love some Freedom Om things, but I felt like some of the postpartum items were just like overpriced and really necessary. And you didn't get enough. Like, I remember I got the fancy Freedom Om underwear. I I forget what they called them. They didn't call them diapers. Oh, basically, yeah, the diapers postpartum shorts. They're like like disposable underwear. The fancy ones that come like in an eight-pack. Oh, I remember getting those with Charlie, but then with Isla, I'm like, you know what? Depends. Yeah. Give me the diaper. You know, I don't give a shit. I just honestly kept reusing, I bought, I asked for more underwear before I was out. So I just took like three packs of the mesh underwear from the hospital because I was like, I'm not because I had the same thing. Meredith got me like a whole postpartum kit. And I ran out of the shorts in like the first three days. Yeah. Yeah. Because like they're disposable. So like you're gonna throw them away. And like with the underwear from the hospital, you can wear reuse them if you wear a pad, obviously. So but anyway. So these are things that you don't need to buy as a postpartum

Postpartum Recovery Holy Grails

SPEAKER_00 17:28

mother.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

I did like that dermoplast thing that you got me.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

I think I used two. That was I was gonna reserve that one for our holy grail section of this. But yes, uh, we can go ahead and mention it now. The Dermoplast. Make it in a Costco sized bottle at this point. I have like six bottles of it because I bought like a four-pack on Amazon. I mean, it's so cheap and it's one of those things that it's gonna say really two bottles from the hospital. And so, and this time I didn't even I did not even have as much pain this time around than I did with Noah. And so I didn't even use it that much. So I have so much extra. So keep it, I'm keeping it for y'all. I was I will say it was like weird though at first. Like after I had Charlie, I'm like, I feel like I'm spraying like lidocaine where you're not supposed to. Yeah, it's like when you know, it's like do not put this in your eyes or you know, instead of and I'm like, really? I'm supposed to spray it. I feel like everything they tell you not to put there, it's something there's smearly cold is for all of our expectant mothers or anyone that's never had kids. It's a spray that you, it's like a numbing spray after you because going to the bathroom after you have a baby right after is like it's terrifying. Add that on holy grails, mirrorlax. Yeah, mirror softener, another Costco side. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

Seneca, what's the cool lace?

SPEAKER_00 18:47

Yeah, all of it. All of it. All of it together. You gotta just gotta have that. It's like this cooling or numbing spray that helps you go to the bathroom and not feel like a thousand knives being stabbed into your vagina. Yeah. At least that's what my experience was with Noah. Oh, another holy grail thing, the silverettes. That is at first I was like, really? Like silver little nipple covers that are I think they're like 50 bucks. They're not cheap. They're not those will save your life. Yeah, I got a set. They weren't that expensive, so they probably like weren't real silver or some shit. Why didn't you guys put real silver on your nipples? Well, apparently you have to have real silver for them to be effective. I found them to be a little weird. Like I didn't I liked the the Medella like hydrogel wounds that are like the ones that they're like little band-aids essentially, but they're oh, are they like yellow? Like duoderm. Yeah. They're like that kind of or like under-eye patches. That's kind of the consistency of them.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

No, those silverettes, man. That and nipple cream. I used half a bottle nipple cream when I was pregnant. My nipples were so itchy.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

Yeah, the first, yeah. My first time breastfeeding, I was riddled with pain because I'm not gonna go into my nipple saga. But the nipple cream, but specifically the Earth Mama one, yeah. Good shit. Because, like, you know, I feel like a lot of the postpartum things you can buy in like the kits, it's got lanolin in it, which I've heard lanolin is not great for your skin. I don't know. I don't remember. It's I didn't find it. It's very greasy. I don't know thick. It's very thick and it's sticky, which the Earth Mama one is more like a like a cocoa butter consistency, and it's yeah, I liked that one. Like it's it's good. I felt 10 out of 10. Earth Mama.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

Saved my nipples.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

With all that being said, I was thinking though, I'm like, I would never have survived if I wasn't like if I didn't have kids in this age. Like, imagine having kids 100 years ago when you didn't have nipple cream. That's why people died at like 30. That's what I'm saying. Because they didn't have nipples, they were having kids at 15. Yeah, because the nipple cream is what sent them over. No, it's because I mean, obviously they didn't live as long. I mean, people died during child, like the percentage of maternal death during childbirth was like I don't want to say over 50%, but it was high. Yeah. Which I'm like, if it's over 3%, I'm worried. Like, why are we doing this? If it's like if what it's like, it's yeah, like maybe we should find find a different way to have more people in this world because this sucks.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Yeah, I thought about that during labor when I was having contract. No, I literally was like, there's no way my grandma had children naturally in Poland, probably in a barn somewhere. There's no when you don't have a choice. Well, she wasn't on Potosin either, so maybe that's how she did it. But I was a damn way she did this three times. There's no way Jill did it three times. How do these people one day I will tell you I I've done it naturally.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

But like you have fun with that. I had that nice sweet little I want you to have fun at natural birth if that's what you want. And I wanted that in my first go-round too. I I really don't know what was thinking back. I'm a totally different woman now. Totally different. But honestly, I never had that thought.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Never. I always have. And the reason why I didn't want to epidural is because all the times, and I know it's different, it's a different procedure, but all the times I've seen them do LPs in the hospital holding and assisting, they never get it on the first try. And they did not get my epidural on the first try. Took three times and they stabbed me in the back. And I was like, this is exactly why I didn't want to do this. Didn't want it. For me, I don't, I didn't really give a shit.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

As long as you get it one of the times.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Well, I it was a little painful for me.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Well, someone's already in pain and they're getting an epidural. Like, I want someone with some fucking experience. And the first guy that did mine with Noah, he did it on the first try, but we had to like, he had to come back and adjust it a little bit, which the catheter, you can adjust that bitch all day. I don't care. It's the needle part that I don't want. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

I was like, I can feel it going through. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:49

No, with crew, I had a like vagal. Meredith, I remember Meredith was like, I watched your heart rate go from like 90 to 40. And I was like, I was like, I don't feel good. And I literally like I almost passed out because the pain was so much worse than the first time. And I was so much more scared the first time because I'd never had well. See, I was scared the second time. I was more I didn't think about it. Why were you scared the second time? Well, because you know it's different when you already know what you're signing up for. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Like you you know what to expect. And I had a great experience, it wasn't bad. But when you know, but yeah, you can just start with it.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

I think maybe that's it's almost worse. Like you know too much. It kind of like puts the fear and anxiety in your brain about everything.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

Well, yeah. It's yeah, I just I have very large kids and I cannot imagine almost ripping to my butthole without an epidural. That would I I would have been like, you know what, just take everything out. I'm all set. I'm all done. Yeah, like you we're all done in here. You can close it. You could just sew it completely. We sure we're closing the kitchen, really. Like our sewing stuff. I we're done. Yeah, extra stitch. Yeah, green. Close it. Close it because nothing is going in or out anymore. I know our bodies were technically made to birth children. Like our body, you know, like our cervix and all of our hips, and they, you know, everything moves the way it's supposed to. So, like, not without struggle though. I mean, it's better that they do. I mean, I feel like that's why they don't do opesiotomies anymore, because that's way more painful than it your body like tearing. It's the healing process of it. Yeah. I remember because I tore a little bit with Noah and they didn't stitch me up. They said I had a half degree tear, which is like a flesh wound. I mean, it's literally like very minimal. And they're like, oh, you don't need a stitch. And so that was excruciating to use the bathroom to pee. And I had no problems, you know, I won't go into my bowel movements, but like it wasn't bad. I had a problem with that. I had a huge problem with that. I almost had a problem. Number one was I had like PTSD after I healed because it was like so painful. I was like crying on the toilet, and Gil's like, What? He's like, What do I do? This is literally like the teensiest little cut, but it was so painful. I mean, a paper cut sucks. Yeah. A paper cut on your vagina. Yeah. Even not hurt. But yeah, and then I go for my six-week appointment, and the NP's like, I would have stitched it. I'm like, Saint Stacy, we could have avoided all of this. We could have avoided all of this. And telling me hindsight is not helpful. Can you stitch it now? Because she's like, Oh, I can see it. And I'm like, what the fellow, great. Great. Well, great. There forever. I remember my six-week appointment after Charlie. I can't. It was along the lines of like, you know, nothing's gonna look exactly like it did before. And I'm like, you're saying that make me go while you're looking at my vagina. And I'm like, what's wrong? What do we see? And what do we see down there? Is it like are we- You got the stitches, so she's pretty much telling me that if you wanted a career in porn, it's done. This this is you're done. You might not put the camera on. I want to think of a different thing.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

I did take a peek at my vagina after I gave birth. Oh no. Three or four weeks in, and I was like, why the fuck did I do this? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

I haven't I did not look at that skin for like months. Jump scare. I still haven't. You haven't? Yeah, no. Something. Taylor and I, and Gabby, we've all had this conversation about like looking at downstairs. Like everybody does it in the mirror. I feel like Taylor does not look at her butthole or her vagina in the air. Let's reverse the conversation you said. If I die, I want everybody to be as familiar with my butthole. I said I wanted my husband to be able to identify my body. If everything was blown up and only my asshole or my butt and downs, you know, my legs were left. I want him to be like, that's Katie's butthole. And you thought it was weird that I don't know my butthole to that extent. I said I didn't know. No. Never. I mean, I have in my whole life, I have, but definitely not after having Charlie. I don't need to look down there. Everything's working appropriately. Yeah. Wanna make sure like things are mine? Doesn't there's no way mine looks the same. Oh, that's nice. There's no, I'm saying it doesn't. Oh, okay. I thought you were saying your buttons. That's not my fault. No, no. You can have some beautiful babies. Yeah. It is what it is. As long as it's working. It is. I don't know. I just like, do you know you make sure things I'm just curious about it? I'm also just curious. Like, what's it look like down there? What you doing? You know, just like very familiar with my body. I don't know. Not a bad dear butthole. Not a bad thing. Yeah. It's exploring myself. So here we go. Now I'm 35. Look, and Gil walks in. I'm just like spread eagle and then we're like sub. No, she can't. He's like, dead over there? Yeah. He's like, oh, again? Yeah. We're doing that again.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

He's probably, I'm just gonna grab this real quick. Yeah, you want to be high.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

So sorry I interrupted. Katie, it's 2 p.m. What are you doing? Oh yeah. No, it's I'm kidding. I don't do it that much. And usually I do it if I'm like alone.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

But anyway, that makes sense. Excuse me, guys. You know, now that we're talking about it. Let me just roll. Anybody got a mirror? Nipple cream. Oh, that's good stuff. That's good stuff. Put it on the register. Moving on

Breastfeeding Comfort And Nipple Fixes

SPEAKER_01 28:27

now. Nursing bras. Oh buy it when you're pregnant.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Yeah. Your roops get big. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Yeah. I feel like I had a really hard time finding a nursing bra that I liked. I did find one that I did like, but then I got the one where you can like put the pump through the hole. Those that was so dumb. They do not work. You're like, okay, so let me just put it on here, but I can't move and I can't sneeze. And I have to like lift my left arm up a little bit for it to like stay in the right place. Yeah. Mine was never tight enough to where it would like keep the pump the suction. So I was like, this is bullshit. Like, what like this is a marketing ploy consumerism, as Gabby said. It's just it's all they're all like just trying to manipulate expectant mothers. Yeah. So hard pass on those, but I will say a nursing brush. A good nursing bra, yeah. Pumping bras suck. Nursing bra, unless well, no, no, just nursing bras. And use those with your portable pumps if you have portable breast pumps. And that's another thing that is amazing is having a portable breast pump. I always get it. Especially if you are a nurse or any in any type of like job where you're not able to like step away and breathe. Every three hours, which is what you know they want you to do, especially in the beginning, is portable pumps. Because working as an ICU nurse, like there ain't no way. You're walking away. Nothing made me feel like a cow more than when you were using like the spectra with like the huge Oh yeah, and it's like where and you're like, I'm gonna hold them.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Did you do like both at the same time?

SPEAKER_00 30:06

Yeah, I didn't know. I'm trying to I had to do one at a time because I did too. I need to be able to like at least look at my phone. You know what I mean? Like, I can't be staring at a wall and having two, like holding two pumps. Like, I'm just like, the fuck.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

No, yeah, it's rolling. Doom scroll while I was pumping. Yeah, you gotta do scroll.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

No, that's fair. That's fair. Yeah, it's so time to do that.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

Or if I nursed on one side, like I think I would alternate. I can't honestly, I feel like I blacked it out. I don't remember anything. Yeah, yeah. If I think if I nurse on one side and he didn't end up eating on the other, I would try and pump a little bit at least.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Yeah, I would try like I tried to use the haka, whatever. There's a different Hakka now that it's the ladybug. The ladybug. That one's nice. That one's great. That one another essential. Yeah, that one's definitely because your boobs leak when you break when you nurse. So the side that your baby's not nursing on. They're just pouring out. It's just pouring out all this milk on your other side. So it catches all that letdown that you're not able to give your baby at that moment. So, you know, and then you won't have to pump as much after. Or if your baby like does a full meal. I don't know. How do you spell ha? H-A-K-A. Or H A K A. I definitely thought there was a U in there somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

Hak to like that. Hak tua. Those things are great. That letdown is absolutely wild the first time it's. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

The first time you feel that letdown or your milk come in. Yeah. Or just when your milk comes in, it's painful. It comes in. I didn't really know. Really? Like honestly, I would just be like pumping or whatever and get nothing. And then the next time I'm like, oh, guess it's here. Okay. But I never really had that like a brush to my boobs. And I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Not that I can remember, but feel it. Like it was like heavy and sore. And I was like, I think I have to, I don't know what's happening. It's only day like five or three. And that like it hurts.

SPEAKER_00 31:57

I think it has to pop. And even like in the beginning, when it's like kind of coming in, and then like once it's like really there, it's like you think it's there, and then it's like you're like, nope, there it is. There it is. Yeah, that was an intense that was wild. Didn't like that. Everything's wild. Honestly. The whole process. What is going on? Yeah. What about

Nursing Bras And Pumping Survival

SPEAKER_00 32:15

a bottle warmer? I am conflicted. That's in my like maybe pile. Like I feel like it's baby dependent. Yeah. Like with Noel, we used it from day one because we thought that's what we were supposed to do. And then I talked to you, and you were like, oh no, like Dylan's dad kind of started using it and now like yeah. Yeah, to me issue. So yeah, no, and the hospital.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

Oh. Yeah. I mean, that's nice. We were like, you don't have to warm it up. He's totally chill. He it's like a milkshake. Adam's like, so I saw them warming up the milk.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

I was like, I'm like, shit. Because like if you breastfeed, that's gonna freak your kid out that you're giving him cold milk like in a bottle. So like I thought that's what we needed to do to like make sure she didn't reject the bottle, is that's what I was told by my like lactation consultant. And they were like, Oh, it's an easier transition, like with you going back to work and you're gonna be pumping, and he's she's gonna be getting bottle fed, and you need to do this. And so I that's why I did it from day one. But when she told me that Charlie didn't have milk like warmed up, yeah, up until like six months is when she started drinking cold milk. Yeah, thank you, Doug. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so with crew, we never used it, and then we started doing it just at night now, and that helps. But I like warm milk now, really, just randomly, yeah. Like she just like won't drink her milk, and so then I'll warm it, drinks the whole thing. But not because I've always given her cold milk. See, babies are wild, like it didn't make no sense. It's because she's getting smart, she's like, warm the shit off. Yeah, like let me try it warm and it sucks. I don't know. I feel like warm beverages are not my favorite. Like, I'll drink a warm coffee, but a hot coffee. It has to be hot. Like it has to burn my mouth for me to be able to get it down. Yeah, milk. I wouldn't drink milk in general. Same. I hate milk. But if it was hot, fuck no. Yeah, like I don't know. It sounds great. I think one of those chocolate would be more. Yeah. I'd be loving. Yeah, I'm not I'm not snow one. It's different when you have chocolate.

unknown 34:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

So bottle warmer is kind of like baby depend it's a discretion of your child, which is so annoying. So get a cheap one. But I will say the Phillips, the Phillips Avent one. Yeah, that's the one I have. I love that one, and it's still going strong after you kids. It's been what four years now? I've had it. So I think the giving your baby cold milk is a newer generation thing. Yeah. Like the older nurses I work with, I remember like there's younger parents, and they're like, you know, you don't have to heat it up. And they think it's wild. Yeah. And it's like, do you really want to get up in the middle of the night to feed your baby a warm bottle? Like, we brought the bottle warmer upstairs into our bedroom because we thought we had to warm it up. And now I'm like, fuck no. Like, you're just gonna drink a cold ass bottle of milk, baby, and you're gonna go back to sleep. Not it's just it's crazy. Yeah. To all the things that you think you have to do, and you're like, nobody wants to warm a fucking bottle up in the middle of the night. Right. If your baby will take it, it's just that much easier. I was looking at, I'm looking at the list that we made. Yeah. And I'm back to the uh the stool softeners in Murrax. I cannot express enough how important that is. I did not have to do that. I took I did. I was like, I might have to go to the hospital. It's been fifty 15 days. Honestly, 15 days.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

Were you in pain? Like, no, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

That's the thing. I was like breastfeeding at that point. So I'm like, just like drop the biggest heater of your life. Nope. Also was it and I can answer all these questions so confidently because Don's family was like super invested in this.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

It was in your group chat. Your family was the day that they left.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

I remember Katie, uh Don't sister texted me and she's like, so? And I'm like, I have pooped. We are good.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

Thank God.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

But no, I was not like super bloated. Like, oh my God. If I go like three days, I'm like dying. That's why I was like, I'm gonna get a blockage. Yeah, you're gonna get in a freaking Ilias, and we're gonna have to you're gonna have to get a glostomy. No. We're gonna have to give you a stool software. Take me out. So I took a stool softener just because I thought like that's what you need to do. And I took the recommended dose on the bottle and I shit my brains out for like hours. So never doing that. Be wary if you are normally a regular gal and go slow. Go just just cut that bitch in half. Yeah. Just get one one pill, start shitting. I was popping those. I was like, oh.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

Because I was scared that was gonna happen to me, but I did poop in the hospital and I was like, I think I'm gonna pass. Like I was, I was like, can you hear? I had Adam stand at the door of the bathroom because I was afraid I was gonna like bagel and die.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

I literally wanted to labor on the toilet. Oh no. I tried that. No, I hated it. Oh, I it hurt so bad. That's where I wanted to sit the whole time. I said, I feel like I just have to take a shit. And I just want to sit on the toilet. And they're like, okay. I should try to do it. They're like, we don't care. I literally sat on the toilet for like a good hour and I'm like, this is not glamorous at all. Like, and I'm just like, I'm sorry, go. And he's just like, do what you gotta do, babe. I'm like naked from the bottom up, like bottom down. I'm just like waddling around with my with my bedroom shoes on my slippers, and then I'm just sitting on the toiletroom. I don't know why I call them bedroom shoes. You know, your slippers. Yeah, house shoes. Yeah, my my grippies, my grippies socks.

unknown 37:48

Your house shoes.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

My house shoes. Do y'all ever grow up in the era where they were house coats? What? Is that like a robe? It's like where you wear over your your clothes? Your pajamas, like a nightgown, you know, like no. Maybe my grandma. No, I'm saying like I never wore one. But like I my family wasn't like pajama people. Really? Me, we weren't either. Pajamas were like a t-shirt. Yeah. Yeah. But no, I just remember like in the 90s, like early 90s. Like wait, I'm picturing a robe. It's not a robe. It's like it's literally like I'll have to show you. It's like it's very on the Google. It's very like 1950s. Did y'all not watch like Naked Knight back in the day in the 50s? Like they had.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

Yeah, I'm picturing a robe. I we were not alive. I don't know what made me think of that. Naked Knight wasn't Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

I didn't wasn't a house coat person. Slippers though.

SPEAKER_01 38:40

I like slipper.

SPEAKER_00 38:41

Big slipper hat.

SPEAKER_01 38:42

Not everything that's coming up.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

It's just a fucking rope. So that's not maybe that's what the South called it, but no, like house coat. Yeah, like that. Sounds fancy.

unknown 38:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Like fetch me my house coat. Okay, that's not it. That's hilarious. Fetch me my. Yeah, it's like this. It's got a fucking zipper. Oh. So a jacket. It's like a it's like you wear it. It got usually it'll come with a moo moo. Yeah, it's a moo-moo. It is like a moo-moo. But it has a zipper in the front. Anyway. So you did wear those? No. I just I don't know what made me think of. I don't know either. We're talking about oh, I said bedroom shoes, and it's like bedroom shoes and the house coat. Honestly, it's almost worse sometimes when you try to figure out. You're like, how did we get to this part of the conversation? It's called ADHD storytelling. Just let it run. Let's just go with it. How did we get here? It's like it's try to follow it. It's you're gonna get confused. It made sense in the time. Yeah. What do you guys have any other like staples of things that you like have to have? Bottle washer. See, I never had a bottle washer, and I wish I had, but they're expensive. So if you like mine was only like 70 bucks. That's not bad. Really? Yeah, and it fit all my pump parts, all my bottles. It washed them. Yeah. Oh shit. Yeah. I never and you have to use distilled water. Yeah. That's the thing. Is it's like a lot of extra things, and I felt like we didn't want to like have to do all that. Yeah, do you have any like special soap with it? Yes. I would soak the bottles in like dish soap, rinse them, and then it just kind of rinse and sterilized it? Yeah. Okay. So yeah, I guess I like soak them in soap, rinse them off, put them in the thing. So like there's the what is that brand? The Baby Breza, the one that has like the stare the formula maker, which I wish I had made one, I had gotten one of those. But those are like $300. Yeah, those because making formula sucks. Especially if you want to make it in like a pitcher. But that's what I do. Anyway, the baby Brezza makes the bottle washer. And I've seen like on social media people being like, if you can afford it, it is you, it's so amazing.

SPEAKER_01 40:45

But you have to have like tablets and mom Cozy has that too, which is why I didn't want to get it. Because I was like, what if I run out of the tablets and then I have to buy it online probably? Because like I'm not gonna upkeep with it. That's happening.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

Yeah, I just in the beginning, I feel like it's so important to like sterilize the bottles. I'm not gonna allow it. When do you stop that? Well, after a year is what they say. But I a year. I don't know. I sterilize them still sometimes. I do too. I do if I'm feeling crazy that day. Oh, yeah. And I'm in a cleaning mood. If I take a lot of Adderall, like I'll like be like, oh, I'm gonna sterilize all these bottles. Because sometimes Gil like doesn't rinse them out before he puts them in the dishwasher. And I feel like sometimes they have like a film. Like that like formula film. And so like I will like scrub them. We don't even really use hand wash them anymore. We're bad. So you just rinse, what do you do? What do you no? We like I rinse them out and then put them in the dishwasher. Oh, okay. I'm like, oh what do you do? Tell us a secret. No, no, that even no. I'm saying like we used to like soak them in the like little container in the um in the sink, and then we would then I would like scrub them with a brush and then sterilize them. Yeah, no, I just hand wash them for the most part. Yeah, I don't even hand wash them. I didn't got fucking time for that. Honestly, Isla only takes three bottles a day. Oh, do you know? No, that girl is she wants food. She wants a steak. Really? She wants a cheeseburger. Yeah. She's like, cut this milk shit out. Yeah, crew, he gets so hype when he sees his bottle. And like he gets pissed if you make him wait or if you get like this morning, Gil had to make formula because last night was rough. And he was just pissed. He's just sitting there, like, the fuck is this? Like, uh, this is not our routine. Like, I've been awake for 20 minutes. I expect milk in my hand. Yeah, so he was pissed, but for the most part, he he'll eat food, but he's not like he could take her leave it for now. Yeah. But I do try to make sure, because obviously he's gonna have to live on that shit for the rest of his life. So I'm trying to like make him eat more. And they're like, you can introduce food before you give him a bottle in the morning. I'm like, that's not gonna happen. Oh yeah, no. Ila wakes up, whole banana in the first 15 minutes. Love that for her. That's amazing. I'm like, can she have too many bananas? Nah. Do you remember? Sidebar. Do y'all remember the movie Honey? I shrunk the kids or Honey We Shrunk Ourselves, whatever the setting is. No, I think it was Honey, I shrunk your kids. Yeah, but kids are kids. I don't remember, but the kid that had like a low potassium and they literally just sh took a banana and like shoved it in his mouth because he was like unconscious. And he just like woke up. I don't remember. Is this while they were shrunken? Not the kids. So I think it was the one where the parents accidentally shrunk themselves. Oh I'm like, if you're shrunken, maybe a whole banana would fix it. Yeah. But no, this was like a tiny little piece of banana, and he was just like, I'm dead. This is this real life. I know I thought that is like one of those core memories that from my childhood. I'm like, why? Why do I remember that? Like, yeah. It's like Airbud. That movie traumatized me.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

I didn't I don't remember any of it I remember the movies, I just don't remember what happened. I will say, adding to that list, I love the diaper pail. Oh, oh yeah. The Ubi. Because I think I have the diaper, what's the other one? The diaper genie? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:44

Cause this just changing that bag. Oh my god. It will take you out. Yeah. So that's the thing. I feel like the diaper genie is your

Bottle Warmers And Feeding Preferences

SPEAKER_00 43:54

diaper genie steak too. Only when you open the pail. Okay. So yeah, it keeps the smell inside. But Jesus Christ. When you change it. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's a battle to change it. And guess who's the only one that changes it? I'm pretty sure Gil is like afraid to open it. So now his rationale, he never uses it because he doesn't want to change it. So he when he is not on my list today. Love you, Gil, but he leaves fucking diapers all over my house. And I'm like, he will most of the time pick them up eventually, but like he's like, I don't want to use that thing. I just like it's it smells bad in there. It's it works. It's better than it's diapers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

Somehow I always get stuck with it being full, and I'm like, I guess I'll change it. Nope. That's on Dylan's like Sunday night.

SPEAKER_00 44:36

Somehow I think that's a very strategic thing that Gil and Adam are conspiring.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

I'll take it out. I'm like, when? It's overflowing. Yeah. I'm not shoving my hand all the way in there, shove the further down. So not doing it, dude. It's so bad.

SPEAKER_00 44:48

And I tried the deodorizers that you could like buy for Ubi. They don't work. No.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

It almost has like a, I don't know. I guess it's an deodorizer slash filter thingy. I don't smell it outside.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

It's still an essential. It's essential broodering. Yeah. Just to keep the shit. Especially in the beginning, the amount of diapers that you change is like crazy. Insane. Yeah. It's so wild. So put it on there. Mm-hmm. Put it on your list. Breastfeeding covers. I didn't really. Oh, yeah. That would be on my list of things I don't care about. But like in a restaurant, did you were you that person that just whipped it out? I mean, I would try to like conceal it a little bit, but no, I was not about to cover up myself. I'm feeding my child. Like I'm not. No, I get it. Do you remember? I was at your 4th of July party. I was literally sitting in your living room. There's a picture of me. I'm breastfeeding Noah drinking a beer. Yep, I didn't think I'd be in picture.

SPEAKER_01 45:39

Why can't I remember anything? I was probably hammered. You probably were.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

That was the year that Gil, Dylan, and Adam were laying in the pool, the little kitty pool that I bought for Noah. Yeah. Oh, that was at your old house. And that was not 900 degrees outside. It was so hot. There's a group picture of us, and we all look we're sweating on one glistening actually. Like having a great time.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

I will say, I didn't, I don't think I used the breastfeeding cover, but when I we flew back from Puerto Rico and I was stuck in between, well, not stuck, but Adam was on one side. I was in the middle. How did the breastfeeding mother get stuck in the middle somewhere? And then I noticed there was a man behind me, and I was like, You should have squirted him. It was rough. It was rough. I was like, I don't know. I'm like, did I squirt haven't squirted? Yeah, that's right. In the post. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 46:25

I squirted you from across the bowl. The distance. The range. I'm insane. That was impressive. I was only impressed with myself. We should have had a little we should have had a contact. Yeah. I didn't I didn't really go a distance. It's the way you have to angle it. Yeah. I just I never got range on.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Frigger nipples.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

Okay. Any um any more essentials you would have mentioned? Oh, uh the boppy pillow. I liked that thing a lot. I used that, especially with Charlie, my first. I used that literally every time I breastfed. I did. Every single time. No, yeah. I did a lot with night. I did love the boppy. The breastfriend. That thing was overwhelming.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

What is that one?

SPEAKER_00 47:07

It was like a table. I have well, it's nice when you're learning how to breastfeed. So like when you go, at least a lot of the lactation consultants, they that's what they use to teach you. Like if you're having trouble. So like with me, I like a consistent appointment for like the first like three months that Noah was breastfeeding because I was having so much trouble. Because she had a tongue tie, turns out that it's what they use to teach you. Anna had one, my friend. She gave it to me herself. Yeah, I'm giving her when he had it. I'm about to pass the baton. I'm giving, I'm gonna give it to Caitlin. See if she wants it. But that's a good one because it's like a flat surface and it helps and it's firm. So it like helps you be able to kind of stabilize the baby. And so that's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 47:45

I like the Bopi too because you could use it to like help with tummy timely.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

But that's what I liked it too. I like to just be able to like put the baby down and then they just like sat in it and chill. Yeah, like big comfy chair with an arm that is so cute. Yeah, no, that was definitely an essential.

SPEAKER_01 47:59

You know what I actually really liked too? One of my friends gave me to borrow are these magic Marlin suits. It's like, oh, I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

It's like the sleep sack. It's from the transition from the swaddle to the sleep sack.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

He had the best leap of his lie. I wish they made them. I I think they do, but I think once they start to roll, you're not technically supposed to.

SPEAKER_00 48:20

It like keeps them like spread evil, like in a like a starfish. It makes their arms. Oh, I didn't even I didn't know it kept them from moving. Yes. I can picture it. It's not like a huge risk if they roll over because they can at least like push themselves, but I think like it's not ideal for like once they're rolling over.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

I just got was I was like, you know what, he's rolling. I'm gonna be too anxious thinking about this, and I won't be able to sleep.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

So that's why I was like We just the weighted sleepsack wasn't that one, the nested bean. Yeah, and it's like I wait. So that was nice. And we use them with crew, they're kind of girly, but um but he he doesn't really care. Why was he sleeping? Yep. I just did sleep sack immediately because neither one of my kids wanted to be swaddled. Isla did like as tight as possible with her arms down until it was like, okay, we really you can't be swaddled anymore. Really?

SPEAKER_01 49:03

I remember you saying that. You were like, so we've gotta try and switch this up.

SPEAKER_00 49:06

Yeah, like she was like five months. I think that's the first indication that both of my children are gonna have ADHD because they got overstimulated by not being able to move their arms. And I'm like Because they lack the swaddle. I mean, I get anxious if I have like a turtleneck on. So I feel like my kids were like, absolutely not. Like, I need to be able to hold my hands to bot my face. They both slept with their arms over their heads. That's how Charlie was. She hated the swaddle. Yeah. Did Bowie like the swaddle?

SPEAKER_01 49:33

I love a good swaddle, and I don't know. I mean, now he uses like

Bottle Washing Sterilizing And Diaper Pails

SPEAKER_01 49:37

a sleep blanket thing, which is fine. Yeah, sleep blanket, and it's super cute, but honestly, just doesn't want to sleep unless it's on me. So that's all that's wild. He loves mama.

SPEAKER_00 49:48

Last night I was about to lose my shit because my neither one of my kids would go to sleep, and that's like never happened. And so I was just like thinking about all the moms out there that have two-year-olds that don't sleep through the night.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

That's hard.

SPEAKER_00 50:01

This and it was like only like 10:30, 11 o'clock, and I'm like, I'm gonna fucking lose my mind on these kids. And thinking of like some of these moms, it's 4 a.m. and here I am rocking as hell. Yeah, I could not. I I feel for those women that struggle because how you can even be a nice person when your kid is not sleeping for years. That's what I was gonna say. It's one thing when it's a newborn because you've already like mentally prepared, like, all right, we're up every three, but if we're at a year and a half and you're still not sleeping, what do we do? Hurt hurts for you.

SPEAKER_01 50:34

I think a lot about people too, they're like, oh, you know, our child sleeps in the bed with us now. And I'm like, I don't want that to be a habit because like this is mom and dad's bed. That's you've got your own bed. You're five years old. I don't want you sleeping with us anymore. How are we gonna have another kid? I how are we gonna have sex or our alone time? And I made that very clear to Adam, like, we are not making it a habit that he is used to sleeping in a big bed with us because this is our safety.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

Gil and I both know that's how I feel too. We said that, and I still feel that way. But Gil, y'all have so many living things in your beds. Yeah. People, a lot of children. So now C B's not allowed in the bed.

SPEAKER_01 51:12

Oh, come on over. You can have a sleepover.

SPEAKER_00 51:17

Of all the dogs, C B deserves it the most. Cupcake is a liability. She is. She needs to be. Your bed's kind of high though. Well, she sleeps on the inside of me. She's going nowhere. And she knows where the edges are, but she's fell off the bed a few times. Oh, I believe it. Yep. I don't know. I just wake up to the douche on the floor and I'm like, yeah, Gil has completely reneged on our agreement. He lets her sleep with him every night that I'm at work. So that's three nights away. Like, that's her. Yeah. So last night he told her, Oh, you can sing with us. And I said, Gil, I just want to be able to sleep in my own bed because she's all up in my shit.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

You want to be able to move.

SPEAKER_00 51:55

And I come out of the bathroom and she spread across my whole side, like dead body style. I almost just went and slept in her bed. Because I was like, honestly. That's my space. That's our space. Mm-hmm. Ugh. If Dylan even is like, if I could feel his body heat coming towards me and like move. Oh, I know. Move. If we're too close. If you're a foot touches me, I'm immediately pissed. I don't like to be touched while I'm asleep. But no. With my kids, it's like a little bit different.

SPEAKER_01 52:21

See, I love get away. I am the big spoon, which is really annoying. And me all of like talking to you for a second. I'm like, love you. Good night. And then I turn over. Adam curls up like a little girl. He does. That's so cute. Just imagine Adam in the face. This with his YouTube and I'm like. One day I hope he doesn't need YouTube to go to sleep. What is it with men and YouTube, man? I know.

SPEAKER_00 52:47

Gil's hold on the phone. I love YouTube. It's the Gil's looking at fishing videos and gun videos lately. It's so annoying.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

I don't even know what he listens to anymore. I I pass out. Yeah. He's up for like sometimes I try and hit the button. You know, they call it research.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

It's you, it's just YouTube. You're just doing it. You're just watching other people do what you wish you were doing. I know. Why don't you just go do that? Yeah. I know. It's like Noah watching videos of like another kid playing with a toy. You have a toy right here. Like just play with yours. You have so many toys. You could have it in real life. I know. I don't get it. No. Dylan will fall asleep to people dirt biking. Oh, okay. And I can't tell you how annoying it. If I'm just

Sleep Sacks Swaddles And Losing Your Mind

SPEAKER_00 53:30

like half asleep and I hear that going, I'm like, oh no. No. Immediately off. Immediately off.

Postpartum Mental Health And The Village

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Anything mental, like emotional, postpartum stuff that you feel like was a savior, and also things that made you want to punch a wall. Savor. Beer. Yeah. Beer. Alcohol. Beach trips. Friends. Well, I mean like in the beginning. Like I feel like when I first got home with Noah, like Gil's mom, we had our house cleaned, which I know that's like a luxury. Yeah, that is. And that was amazing. But that was so great because our house, your house is a wreck. Well, you know, as soon as baby comes, like so she got her house cleaned like right after we got home. Yeah, that's super nice. And having like food, yeah, like frozen food or people like bringing you dinner and stuff, that's really nice. I remember Gabby, you like had your freezer stocked up, but since you were pregnant for 55 weeks, you're like, we're breaking into our freezer sash.

SPEAKER_01 54:22

We're eating our shit. That's too much. Adam's like, can I have a muffin? I was like, no. Like that's like, we can't eat anything. I'm like, don't eat.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:30

How an uncrestable.

SPEAKER_00 54:32

Nope, nope. These are for after the baby is here. Don't do shit.

SPEAKER_01 54:36

He must starve until he is here. One great tip that I think you gave me, Katie, or like you wrote on the baby shower game was like, make sure you shower every day. Oh. And I literally followed that to AT. And it did not help me out.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

I had such a hard time breastfeeding. So it was just like a very emotional. Obviously, postpartum is just emotional in general. Like, and so with Noah, I felt like I couldn't shower every day. Like I just felt very anxious about leaving her. And every time I did shower, I felt like I heard her crying. And that's like the phantom cries is white. I still hear them. When I'm vacuuming, especially or blow-drying my hair, I feel like I hear kids screaming. Crew, I made an effort to try like to just shower every day. And with that, even if it's a five-minute shower where you just like wash your ass in your armpits in your face. Like you feel it. For me at least, it made me feel like a completely new person. Yeah. And just getting that moment alone, whatever, have a shower, beer, shower wine, whatever, just mimosa. Yeah, whatever it is you need. But that was like one of my things that really helped me the second time around. Making my my hygiene a priority and not feeling like a bag of dicks for the entire day. And it's just like it changed my whole moment. Yeah, because you smell like shit postpartum. Oh my god. If it's not milk, the night sweats too are so bad. Did y'all have night sweats? Yeah. Oh. I don't think I've had it. This is menopause. Oh my god. I would wake up. This is it. I was waking up drenched in milk from my boobs being rock hard and leaking. Or sweat. Or sweat. Yep. So showering every day was a non-negotiable. Yeah, that's it. That's a big one.

SPEAKER_01 56:08

Whoever was like home, because I feel like we had people like every week there, like just family like helping out, whatever, just like spending time with me because Adam had no paternity leave at all. Like I was like, okay, it's 10 a.m. You got them for like 20 minutes and we'll go shower.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

Yeah. Yeah. Like taking full advantage of that for sure. And Gil, like he had to go back to work immediately too. So that was hard where I was alone. And I'm like, how do I shower with this baby who like sleeps for 15 minutes at a time? I felt like even when he was around, I'd be like, Do you mind if I shower? And he's like, Why are you asking permission? Like, please do. Yeah. Like, you smelled shit. I still do that. I'm like, Yeah, I mean, but he doesn't ask permission. He says, I'm going to shower, or I'm going to take a shower. I'm already in the shower.

SPEAKER_01 56:50

Yeah. Yeah. Texting me, like, hey, I'm I'm in the shower.

SPEAKER_00 56:53

He'll be like in the bathroom pooping, and then it just like hear hear the shower turn on. I'm like, oh, okay, no, we're showering. We got it. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 56:59

So I will say the nice thing too, like, I that probably helped my mental health. As soon as we got home from the hospital, Adam's like, all right, you've been up for like how however many hours at this point, go take a shower and a nap, and we'll be here with him. And I was like, You want me to leave him already? I know. That's nice though. So I needed that nap so bad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:16

You really do. I remember the first night that we were home, I with Noah. I was like, go sleep. I'm gonna stay down with the baby. And I went upstairs. I remember I went to sleep, woke up in a panic, ran downstairs, and I was like, Oh my god, I'm so sorry. Like, how long have I been sleeping? He's like, It's literally been a half an hour. Oh my god. You're like, shit. It was not exaggerating, a half an hour. And he's like, Katie, it's like 11 p.m. Like, you're like, calm down. I thought it's been a day. But anyway, it's yeah. So also emotional support water bottle. That's fun. You gotta, because you're so thirsty when you're breastfeeding. Buy that bougie Stanley Hydro jug, hydroflask, whatever the fuck. Buy it, bedazzle it, put stickers on it. I don't know. I have Stanley and I have little funny sarcastic stickers and it brings me joy. Yeah, I would say leaning on your people. That was the biggest thing. Oh, yeah. You gotta have your village. And I was not the person that was like, Oh, I don't want any visitors for weeks. I'm like, please, oh I know, please, somebody come talk to me. Like, let's just I remember the day I came home from the hospital. I was like, We were all at your house. I know I said, Can y'all come over? And you were like, Are you sure? I need to be around people right now.

SPEAKER_01 58:24

Like, okay, we're here. Sorry, you just got out of the hospital. Okay, we're here. I was like kind of on that high.

SPEAKER_00 58:29

I feel like right after the baby, you're like, you're great, I'm not pregnant anymore. And then you're like, I'm skinny. And then I know, and then like three days later, you're like, boom, boom, postpartum emotions. So Animal Kingdom, the show. I watched that for like the entire show, like in like four weeks. Yeah. Just sitting on my couch, pumping and you know, eating and sleeping, eating and pumping and changing diapers. Yeah. So yeah, find a good show. That's another one. Like, find that emotional support show, even if it's something you've seen already. How night your mother, shout out, Jordan.

SPEAKER_01 59:00

Get the subscription to Netflix. You deserve it.

SPEAKER_00 59:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:04

Yeah. Don't get the one with the commercials because they'll suck.

SPEAKER_00 59:06

Yeah. I'm sorry. It's 2026. If you're paying for Netflix with commercials, I don't is that even a thing?

SPEAKER_01 59:12

Yes, I didn't. It's a cheap plan. We got it. Because we have to spend money on the video. Sometimes it's nice because I'm like, oh, let me go use a bathroom real quick.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

Oh, it's called a pause button. Yep. Yeah. Because I ain't paying for no. She's like, we got 90 seconds. You remember that back in the 90s when you're like, oh my God, like there's no Tibo or whatever. Okay. Like run to the bathroom before your showcase. Get a snack. Yep. Nickelodeon of Friday nights. T G I F baby. Speaking of.

Closing Thoughts And Sign Off

SPEAKER_00 59:40

It's Friday. Happy Friday. And I got work tonight. So I know. Shout out to Taylor for not sleeping and wanting to record this podcast for our listeners. So you guys actually have something to at least listen to. If there are any of you out there, I don't know. Might just be posting this into the void. But if you're there, if you're there, we thank you. Thank you. Come back for our uh next yap session. And just remember, motherhood isn't perfect, neither are we. Laugh, swear, hug your kids, sip your drink, you're mammish, and that's enough. Bye babe. Bye for now.