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EP. 16: BLACK COFFEE INTERVIEW REACTION

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SPEAKER_02

Okay, we are recording. We're live, episode 16. Everyone is a DJ. Hope you guys listening, watching on YouTube, listening on Spotify. Well, you can actually watch us on Spotify as well. YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts. Thank you for tuning in. Uh, please do follow us on Instagram. We are clipping a lot of our podcasts and our conversations on there, so you can you can get snapshots of of this podcast on there. So please follow. And yeah, we're back. New episode. My name is Manu. We got Wesley G. What's up, bro?

SPEAKER_00

What's good? What's good, man? I feel like we're getting into a good rhythm now with these podcasts, bro. Good feedback, guys at home. Thank you for for listening and uh, you know, all all your comments, engaging, especially on Instagram, means a lot. Keep it up, keep it up. What's going on, mana?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'm saying like the clip we posted yesterday about the the disco indie dance house conversation, lots of comment in there, lots of comments. How did you yeah, what was your reaction?

SPEAKER_00

I think you know what, it's it's um really good to see. I mean, somebody who's been like an Afro House fanatic, purist, you know, for the longest time now, you know, to see people come in and and really defend our scene was great to see. I mean, Aluku getting involved as well, loved that. But I think people some you know we're also misunderstanding the conversation at times as well, right? It's like it's not that you know things are literal, it's that things are changing, right? And uh, but it's good to see that you know the fans are here to say in in Afro House. But yeah, what about you? What do you think?

SPEAKER_02

I think I think a lot of people think that we are Afro House newbies. Listen, I think we are. We are like I mean I started listening to Afro House, man, like properly, let's say 2017, 2018. Yeah, about about the same for me.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe a little bit earlier, but not by much.

SPEAKER_02

Not even 10 years. I mean, I started DJing. Do you know what? I mean, I started listening to essay deep house. That's like 2016, and then from there I was like, okay, I need something that's a bit harder. Then you get into that black coffee, you know, those compilations, iBefa compilations. I think it was Sonar. There was a compilation from from Coffee that was like a sonar 25. I had the lot of you know and apple tracks in there, Kasusa, etc. etc. So that's when I really got into it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But you know, Afro House by that time was 10 years old, if not more, right? So we should probably get some OGs on this podcast, you know, the likes of Bodhisattva, the likes of Shimza, Heavy K. You know, one day hopefully we can get black coffee. But I think a lot of people need to understand the history of the sound, even us, you know, that there's definitely things that we can educate ourselves on. That being said, you cannot dispute the fact that the hype around Afro House was a lot bigger and hotter a year ago, two years ago versus now. Like, that's just facts. That's just facts. Like the demos we're getting, the songs that the bigger DJs are playing. Not to say that Afro House, the value of Afro House is based on who plays it, but that counts towards it, right? It counts towards it. But I just yeah, I think that conversation that we had was more to say it's not as hot as a year ago, two years ago, but it's still hot.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like it's it's interesting, man, because you say like, oh, we're we're Afro House newbies, which again we are relatively, but that means like more or less we've been you know fans of the of the of the sound for like pretty much ten years now, but there's a whole history behind us that you know we missed. Right. And you know, on that topic of like oh Afra Houses came and went, especially you know, on the European and and North American side, and that's only been like you know a couple years at most, right? So there's all there's all kinds of history and all kinds of fans that you know are engaging, and that's kind of what I saw on uh on our last post from yesterday.

SPEAKER_02

I love it though. I think I think it's it's it's a conversation that never ends. It's a great conversation, and it's an emotional conversation for a lot of people that you know they want to get into it, they want to share their views, they want to understand what it's happening. But you know, we're here, we we're doing this podcast to continue to elevate Afra House, to continue to elevate sounds that come out of Afro House. We're not here to kind of jump on waves and and you know ride the wave and and leave Afra House if if other sounds get hotter and and genre hop. You know, we're here to to represent the sound in a good way, but also we're here to tell it like it is, and if we need to call people out, we're gonna call people out. If you guys want to call us out, please do it. We mean well and we look after people, and and it's always it comes from a good place. But you know, these are conversations, don't take this as law and as the Bible. You know, we're not perfect, no one's perfect, but we have we have a good track record and we have kind of credibility in the space to do this podcast and share our views, right? So it's important we say that. It's important that we say that.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely, man. I mean, the point, the whole point of this thing is just you know, you and I have been talking about it for years. It's just that the scene in general just needs more conversation, right? And that's not only just between you and I, you know, it's everyone listening at home. So when you guys are, you know, letting us know your thoughts, fact-checking us, all those kind of things, like it's what the scene needs as a whole, right? So keep doing your thing, guys. We appreciate it. Clear your voice, bro. Clear your voice, man. Clear it, clear it. Man, it's bro, it's because you know the weather here is like it's going up and down, it's warm, it's cold, it's warm, it's cold. It's just messing with me, bro.

SPEAKER_02

Honestly, yesterday I was um shooting shooting some content in St. James Park here in London with some models, right? So we're walking around, and there's like pollen and shit everywhere, and like I started coughing, and then after I coughed, the next word that comes out of my mouth is like it was like high pitch. My voice was like, and they were like, What the fuck is this? You know, I've got a deep voice, and then like I was coughing, and I could still feel it in my throat. And the next word was like, you know what I mean? They were just like, What's this guy doing? I feel I feel your pain, man. I feel your pain. Okay, let's get into it. I think uh, you know, new music Friday. Listen, it's it's a cool topic. I think most of the people that listen to our podcast are updated on new music that comes out and and what's hot at the moment. From last week, I've got to say my favorite release was probably our own. I would say Bad Boy. Bad Boy, Argento Darcy, Yudora Sabanger. I know Shimza's been playing that that one a lot. I just I just got a video of him playing it in Mexico. But um, yeah, that that track, super strong. Yeah, what did you like from last week?

SPEAKER_00

Look, I think there were there were actually quite a lot of pretty good releases across our scene. I mean, I have to give a shout out to Vanco and Dila, repeat tough one, banger, man. Banger. It's good to see uh Vanko back in time for summer as well. And then, you know, some of my favorite names dropped as well. Jeff dropped on Kazakuta, track called Y3, and then My Boy Braith and the boys Kasusa, Dogs at the Door on Deep Root, man. Big tune. Tough track. Big tune, yeah. That's a tough track, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, listen, I think uh every Friday there's a good level of quality releases, you know. Yeah, it used to be that some Fridays is quite slow, and then other Fridays it's it's it's a bit better, but I think that that balance now has kind of evened out, which is good to see. This Friday, what are we dropping this Friday on Club? Good question, my friend. What do we got? This Manko, we're dropping Manko, a duo from Germany, Berlin. And yeah, I've been trying to I've been trying to sign them for for quite some time. I'm a big fan of them. I think they have a rampa remix, one of their tracks.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

They're they're they're they're solid, solid producers. So yeah, good to see this level of of producers coming on club record, and this track is oof. What genre is this? Not I wouldn't say it's melodic. It's like deep man, deep techno, deep techno, but like with a nice kind of softer vibe, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, uh, you're putting me on the spot there, man. I don't I don't know if you can put it into one because it's got elements from different genres, but yeah, maybe a little bit melodic techno progressive with some Afrohouse elements sprinkled in here and there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, good. I mean, you guys know this. We release music every single Friday. If you're watching us on YouTube, you can obviously go on our music, on our video library and and see the amount of videos that that we put out. But yeah, guys, thanks for your support so far. Let's get into the first topic. I think the first conversation I want to have is about Black Coffee's interview with with David Gedder, which most people have watched and commented on. I thought it was a a good conversation. I would have liked to hear more from David Gedder's perspective because you start watching it and you quickly you realize that Black Coffee's the one being interviewed, right? So I would have liked for a more kind of two-sided conversation and hear more of David Gedder's background, upbringing, things that he's also dealing with. Because I mean, as Afro House fans, we we we know know of Black Coffee and what he's been through.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But from from the things that you've seen from the interview, what what was your kind of reaction?

SPEAKER_00

Look, it's always, you know, as I kind of mentioned before, it's always nice to to hear like you know, the th the real thoughts of you know, people like like a Black Coffee or actually anyone who's you know participating in the scene rather than just you know the same old content of them playing at a club and you know that goes viral and it's been the same for years and years now. So I think seeing that more raw and just I guess truthful side of of what goes on day to day, you know, as somebody of that caliber is super refreshing, right? Like the you know, I've always viewed Black Coffee as an absolute superstar, but when you have these kind of moments, you're reminded that you know they're all human, you know, we're all the same, we all go through shit together. Um so I thought, you know, there really needs to be more of that for sure, right? How about you?

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I always think if I was if I ever get to that level, which you know everyone's striving to get to to a certain level of success, but I think it's always good to not do too many interviews. You don't want to do too many interviews because you know then you're too accessible, but also that mystery element goes away. So it's it's it's it's intention it's intentional, it's a business decision, it's strategy, and it makes sense. So I do like how maybe twice a year we hear from Black Coffee. I mean, the interviews that come to mind that I've that I've watched of him where when he went on Stephen Bartlett's podcast, yeah, when he went on Mac G, this one. What else? What other interviews did he do recently?

SPEAKER_00

I don't think there's really been any recently, but you know what? Something I've noticed about Black Coffee is that I think he's started to take the social media game a little bit more seriously than he has before. You know, even just the engagement online. I'm I'm sure it's not him, you know, either it's his lady or someone else is is running that for him. But just seeing what he reposts on his story, um, you know, posting more consistently on his feed, I think his team as a whole is is really kind of stepping into that because you know, we're seeing success, you know, with the likes of Shimza, major league DJs, you know, those kind of guys who really prioritize their social media over the last few years and what it's done for their career, right? Yeah, he doesn't. Yeah, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_02

Like, if I were to guess, does he have a videographer or no?

SPEAKER_00

I don't think he does. No, he doesn't. Or at least he hasn't until now, right? He was posting really infrequently, you know, tagging him in the stories, you know, those kinds of things, you would you wouldn't really get a repost at all. And not just from my side, all the all the big pages, you know, kind of across the scene. But now you're I'm starting to see he's engaging more, he's reposting more um on stories and stuff like that. And I think there's been a strategic shift from his team to prioritize, you know, being more present online, let's say. So, you know, long story short, I think we'll probably start to see more interviews and kind of things like that as time goes on.

SPEAKER_02

That's interesting. That's interesting. It's a good point. I mean, the end of the interview when they were talking about upcoming music, and Black Coffee was saying he's ready for his titanium moment. Obviously, he's he's he's speaking to David Geddh in Titanium. Yeah, massive track, amazing track. So he's like, you know, I want to get that level of production out. And he also mentioned an album, so yeah, it looks like music is coming, is gonna be in the studio. He's gonna put out kind of heavy, heavy, heavy tracks and have a lot of attention around music production. Yeah. So with that, I am expecting a lot of kind of because you know, if you look at his Spotify, for example, right? Two million monthly listeners right now. Right? Yeah. And then you have other guys in our space, which, and listen, Spotify numbers, you do that as you wish, like you take that as you wish. But people are competitive, man. I think I think people do look at that and they're like, okay, I'm on two million, these guys are on five, six, seven, ten, eleven. You gotta you gotta get these numbers up.

SPEAKER_00

So but when when was subconsciously released? I mean, that's been a while now, right? So I think too much. Yeah. So, like, I mean, it's been it's been a few years. So to stay at that level, two million, I think is pretty impressive. But if he was releasing music more consistently, you know, those numbers would tick up naturally. That's just the game these days, right? But I'm wondering how like subconsciously for me was like more of a body of work, not necessarily like club ready or party ready tracks. It was more easy listening, radio, you know, that kind of audience.

SPEAKER_02

That's the Grammy run, right?

SPEAKER_00

That's the Grammy one, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so he was saying in the interview that he made conscious decisions of not including any, you know, vernac, any kind of African language in it because he didn't want that to affect where they would put or categorize the album and how that would affect the kind of overall product.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. World music.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. So he was very intentional with with that and those productions. But he also mentioned, you know, when it comes to awards and things like that, events. If he's nominated for like Afrohouse DJ of the Year, he doesn't like that. He's just like, no, I want to be DJ of the year, or I want to be in categories where DJs are just nominated for, which makes a lot of sense. So that perspective really impacts a lot of his decision making, which I think I think you kind of have to when you get to a certain level. And I've had this conversation with a lot of DJs, man. You know, the likes of people that I can't name, but they tell me I don't want to be known as an Afro DJ anymore.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I just want to DJ. You know, people might not like it, but if I want to grow as a DJ, if I want to grow my career, if I want to play in front of bigger, bigger crowds and bigger stages, yeah. You've got to kind of diversify. That's that's the game.

SPEAKER_00

It is it is the game. And I mean, I think as well, it's like, you know, as a DJ, right? Like you want to be able to play different kinds of music, right? Depending on the crowd, depending on location, all those kind of things, right? But if you're only able to play one kind of sound, you know, it really limits your creativity, you know, just as a as a performer and also, you know, how you're personified, you know, from the audience itself. So totally get that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think I mean, you know, I get texts all the time, you know, DJs in in Africa, right? And they'll text me to say, okay, I'm switching my sound now. Yeah. What should I be doing? I want to re you know, maybe Club Record can can help me out, and I can start, you know, with a release with you guys and go from there. So whether you like it or not, it is something that almost all DJs think about. It's like, okay, how can I be touring like Shimza? How can I be touring like Kasango? How can I be touring like these other guys? What sound do I need to be making? Yeah, and listen, it's it's part of the game, bro. It's part of the game. You've gotta you've gotta understand different markets, study different markets, charts, and I you know, we we talk shit about beatport, but study beatport. You know, there is information in beatport charts that you can kind of dissect, analyze, and and use that to kind of make some decisions on your productions, etc. etc. So it's uh yeah, there's a lot that goes into it. There's a lot that goes into it.

SPEAKER_00

I think one of the one of the moments during the interview as well that stood out for me was you know when they were talking about how cell phones have changed club culture. And the reason I mentioned that is because it's something we see on social media all the time, right? Different artists trying a no-phones policy party, which never really works out, if if we're being honest. You know, from from your perspective, how do you think this culture of like bringing up your phone at every moment has kind of changed how we consume live performance?

SPEAKER_02

I don't really care, honestly, bro. I think I think it's it's a different generation. I I don't think we can fault this generation for for for you know for being on their phone. Yeah. They're on their phone anyway, outside of the club. Yeah. So how do we expect them not to be on their phone in the club? Like it's it's understand if if you want people to dance and live in the moment and enjoy it, fine. But for those big moments, those big tracks, someone's gonna have their phone out. And people need that content anyway. Like we're a record label, we're always looking for content. DJs need content. Content is such a big part of this industry. So we need those phones in there. We need people to capture those moments. It's yeah, it's it's almost like impossible to say how do you manage that and how do you tell people how to act. Like it's it's it's I don't even know where to start. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like if you do take that hard stance of no phones today, fine. But to kind of have that with a broad, broad paintbrush on every single event, that's tough.

SPEAKER_00

I think there's I mean, one thing like I've started doing recently is that I when I'm in like a moment, not just you know, when I'm you know at an event or something like that, but just generally in out in the world doing my thing, naturally like something cool is going on, or there's a beautiful view, and the first thing you want to do is take your phone out and and get a moment, right? But I've tried to start recently make a conscious decision not to do that anymore and just try to be more in the moment and present. And I mean, the reality is if I want a picture, if I want a video, I can probably ask somebody that I'm with because they've got their phone out anyway, right? And I I actually haven't once ever asked for it because a lot of these moments that you record, like I personally, maybe some people do, but I never go back and watch it or it's just a habit. You take your phone out and you're like, yeah, maybe you watch it once or twice the day after, and then it just sits in your your photo library for forever, right?

SPEAKER_02

Everyone's different though, you know. Some people just capture that moment and then post it on Instagram, right? And that they'll do their their weekly carousel or their monthly carousel, whatever. Yeah, attention. Yeah, I I stay away from from judging people. But yeah, listen, you have those ridiculous um moments like your kind of music at at high a few years ago, right? Everyone had their phone now and and everyone talks about that that viral moment, which yeah, you know, people were like, Oh, is this the Matrix? Like, I don't know, man. I don't know. I kind of music, kind of music at that point where I've never seen anything like it in terms of like the hype. And how crazy people were going for them.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Do you know what I mean? So I I get it. I get it. Um it's a tough one, man. But I think as a DJ, and David Getter was saying this as well. He was like, what I try and do is play big tracks at the beginning, so they get their phone moment, and then the rest of the kind of set is built towards like more of a journey and and ensuring that they're in the moment and enjoying it and and really feeling the music. So yeah, there's ways as a DJ that you can kind of structure and make sure that all right, they're gonna know this track. Here's your moment. I'm gonna play Martinsani now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Fine. Video record, and then you go into kind of the more underground stuff. It's impossible to police, bro. It's impossible. Unless you you say no phones today.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, again, like it just it just like everything in moderation, right? I think like phones are fine, but don't have it out the whole time. I mean, and and I agree with that. Like put your phone away. I think that's what Coffee was saying as well as like it's fine, record a moment, you know, do your thing, but then put your phone away and and just live, you know, enjoy the sound.

SPEAKER_02

I mean Coffee was also saying, like, there's two sides to it, right? You got the ones that are always on their phone and capturing every moment, but then the people that are criticizing people on their phones are using their phone to criticize.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. So, yeah, man, I stay away from from from that. Obviously, I think the conversation here is not really about you being on your phone, it's about the people that are partying. Yeah. Are they there? Are they there to party? Are they there for the music? Are they there to be seen? Right? What is what is the reason why they're there? I think I think that's that's the root of that emotion for me. It's not really about, oh, why are you on your phone? It's just like why are you? I just get to be seen. There's just infances, it's just like that.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I saw I actually saw a clip yesterday, and like Dead Mouse was talking about like a very similar kind of conversation, and his his thing was do you come to a Dead Mouse show to really enjoy the production and witness live with good speakers, visuals, all of that, to kind of appreciate the the amount of hard work and production he put into creating a certain song and hearing that live, right? Or are you just there because you know you're there to party or you're there to you take a few videos? And he said basically, he's like, if you are, he's like just put the he's like, if you're not that kind of fan, don't come to my shows, just listen to my music at home and stay away from me, basically. I mean, Dead Mouse is a controversial character, generally, but he kind of has a point. You know what I mean? People don't go to appreciate the production and also the the DJing skills of a lot of the artists in our scene as well. They're just there to party drugs, content, you know, that kind of thing, right?

SPEAKER_02

But also it's like dance music is arguably the biggest sound now. Yeah. But it's only become that when audiences that include influences that include people with a bit more money, deeper pockets, you know, have have truly kind of embraced it. And yeah. It comes with the success. Like we can't complain now that it's the biggest genre in the world and it's so hot, and complain about who's enjoying the music. It's just like you're still profiting from it, you're still collecting royalties. You know what I mean? Like this there's Yeah. It's a tough one, man. It's a tough one.

SPEAKER_00

I'm also wondering how, you know, like on that topic, right? There's there's been a lot of moments, especially High Abiza, just because I think it's you know the most publicized. And you'll have like, you know, really major celebrity names showing up for black coffee sets. I mean, we had Drake, I think Katy Perry, Naomi Campbell with kind of music. Alicia Keys. Alicia Keys. Yeah, exactly. So I think those those kind of moments as well are also contributing to that, to that uh, I guess, popularity. But I'm wondering how this this season in Ibiza is gonna go as well. Will it be the same? Are they gonna are we gonna have even more of that or less? I'm not sure. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

I think it's gonna be the craziest summer. Yeah. Yeah. It's I think it's gonna be the craziest summer from Ibiza to Mikono, Saint Trepe, yeah, Baldrum. Like, I think it's gonna be insane. Are you are you planning on on doing Ibiza this year? I mean, I'm coming for your set, right?

SPEAKER_00

That's the plan.

SPEAKER_02

Make sure, bro. Make sure we've got we've got hotels planned out, yeah, itinerary, like it's it's it's no, I gotta make it.

SPEAKER_00

The thing with me is that my whole thing right now is that I would be traveling a lot more this summer, but we've got the World Cup here in North America, Toronto. Toronto's a participant city, and um I want to be here for that core World Cup. Canada, Canada's in it. Can Canada's in the World Cup, man. But um, yeah, so we got a few games in uh a few games in Toronto. So isn't it like eight weeks? This World Cup is like really long as well.

SPEAKER_02

It's like at least six weeks, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, it's uh it's a lot. So I want to be here for the World Cup, and then you know, after that it's it's gonna be toward the end of summer, August, so September gonna hopefully be joining you out there. But I mean Ibiza's back. We got IMS this weekend, which means the season officially starts. You know, hi hi Ibiza's opening party is um actually this Saturday. Um and then we're on the lineup there, do you know? Yeah, there's quite a few names. Joseph Capriati, Skeptus playing, Martinez Brothers, East End Dubs, Delilah Dan Dan Shake. Uh there's a there's a few names here. Look at that. Okay, so for this opening party, 14th release of tickets, 170 euros, just to get in for the opening party. Isn't that crazy? At high. At high, yeah. What about universe? What's the universe doing? Let's take a look. Universe. And then, yeah, like I mean, while while we look that up, opening party this week, and then it means the following weekend, Black Coffee's residency starts again. Jeez.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Sold out. Everything's sold out, universe. Now it's like sixth release, 100 140 euros to get in. Wow. Coffee camoufacts, Cal Cox.

SPEAKER_00

Damn. Yeah, Coffee's playing universe opening. Yeah, I see that. Special event.

SPEAKER_02

Damn. I know. Missing out. I think we need to start, we need to start releasing four times a week, bro. Yeah. Make enough money. I mean, Black Coffee's high uh lineup announcement. What did you think? What did you think? I mean, do you do you think that Black Coffee has outgrown high now? Do you think because it felt like this year he was the last one to announce, right? He was definitely like one of the last ones to announce. For high, yeah, one of the last, yeah. Right? Look, that's how many more years, how many more years do you think he'll he'll stay at high?

SPEAKER_00

I'm gonna be honest, man. I for this one, I really think it all depends on opportunity, right? So if something bigger and better comes along for black coffee, then I'm sure he's gonna take it. But you know, I think high is part of his brand, and it has been for a long time. So I think for him to make that that shift, and also for the brand of High, it goes both ways, right? Saturdays with Black Coffee in Ibiza has kind of been a mainstay and a staple for island goers for the longest time. But I don't think he'll go anywhere else unless you know it's bigger venue. But then where where does he go? Where can he go?

SPEAKER_02

But I'll tell you what, guys, like Afro House for me is made for like smaller rooms, intimate, and it's just it's a sexy sound.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Like that's where it's best felt. That's where like those moments are really like intimate and you just feel the energy. Like Afro House and Afro Tech is like perfect for like high is not a it's not it's not a small room, but it's made for that, right? It's made for this kind of atmospheric, deep, and you know, you kind of get sweaty, touchy, feely, and you just feel everything. Like Afro House is perfect for that. Yeah that's why to me it makes sense for him to stay at high. You know, what is what is the capacity of high? Five, six, seven? Like, what's the capacity?

SPEAKER_00

Let's look that up. We need a we need a we need like a Jamie, you know, Joe Rogan's podcast. I'll be like, Jamie, look it up. I don't think it's as much as five. Five? Five, five, five. Wow.

SPEAKER_02

That's a 5,000 people in there. But the thing is, like, and I always get into arguments about hire because it's so packed in there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And he fills it out every Saturday. You can't move, it's sweaty. Unless you've got a nice spot that you've secured and you just know how to move, yeah, good luck. Good luck. But Afro House is perfect, man. The bass, the sound system, the visuals, it's a perfect show. It's a perfect show every single Saturday. So it does make sense. So I do wonder if he goes to a bigger room. Right? Massive room where people are not as dancy, they're not as feely, there's not, there's not as sexy, and there's not that energy. I'm not you know, I'm not saying it's not gonna work, but it's different. It's different, bro. It's different, it's different.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know, man. I just like look, it looks I haven't been, so you can tell me, man. Like when you're in that kind of environment and it's just so packed, like you can't really dance, let's be honest. You're just kind of like side to side, you know. You can't dance, right?

SPEAKER_02

How do I say this without getting in trouble?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, listen, for a tall person like me, I always get into arguments because you know the people behind me, they can't see shit, right? And they're just like behind a tall person, you can't see anything, right? So it's I either like to be on the side or just be with my friends and we don't have that issue. But man, the thing about high, although it's packed, there is still the element of like energy, like the energy is is is contagious and you feel it and everybody's there, right? It is it is good energy, and people are good, and there is that good atmosphere that Afro House always brings, right? People are just always happy and they're always ready for a good time. But yeah, it is packed. I mean that's that's definitely something that you've gotta keep in mind.

SPEAKER_00

When you're in these clubs and it's you know, especially when it's super late, bro, it's like three in the morning and like it's so packed, and some guy behind you is basically fucking like up your ass more or less. You know, it's just I just can't do it anymore, bro.

SPEAKER_02

Well, that's what it is, bro. It's like that times ten. Like it's yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, everyone who's been too high for black coffee has said the same thing. They're like, yeah, you have to do it, but it's a lot, it's a lot to it's a lot to manage.

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Right.

SPEAKER_02

Listen, you get to a certain age where you're just like, I'm too old for this, I don't care. Like you're just like, yeah, why am I doing this? I want to go home. No, no, listen, you get to a certain age when you're like, I want to go to Chinoa, which it's it's got that similar vibe, but the venue is I don't know, three times smaller or twice smaller, you know, it's it's the same. But Chinoa is amazing as well. Pasha is cool. I feel like Pasha is a bit more kind of it's smaller. But when I was there, I did felt like I could move around a bit better.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But oh listen, I'm I'm I'm interested to see how long he's gonna stay at high. Because I think now it's what, over 10 years?

SPEAKER_00

I think so. I think so, yeah. I think this was like the we need a fact check on this, but I think this is the ninth, actually the ninth year.

SPEAKER_02

We need a fact check on the police. If you yeah, listen, anyone watching, anyone listening, if you want to be the fact checker of everyone is a DJ, let us know. Hit us up via DM, comment, comment whenever, and yeah, we'll we'll we'll we'll we'll uh we'll reach out to you. But in terms of the lineup, I'm not gonna say usual suspects. He did include more variety, variety in terms of sound.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. But yeah, I mean a lot of the similar names. I think it's also part of the experience, right? Is that it's it's still super curated. You can say like, oh, it's usual, it's you know, there are some similar names, but I think like he's already perfected that selection, and I don't think you need to broke fix what isn't broken, actually. I think big fan. Big fan. Is there anyone you would want to see on his lineup that he didn't add? Everyone's there, bro.

SPEAKER_02

Everybody's there. Like from my favorite DJs, Shinza Kitty is there. Frankie Rizzardo there. Oh, good question. I'm a big Frankie Rizzardo fan.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, Frankie Rizzardo goes hard. He's tough. I think John Summit might be on there, bro. Oh, speaking of John Summit, he actually dropped an album last week. I I listened to it. I'm not a big John Summit guy, but I had to I had to give it a listen to see what all the hype was about. What's it looking like? Yeah, it's like look, there are a couple songs I like, but you know, for the most part, it's not really my thing. Let me just double check. So Black Coffee is John Summit on there. Black. You know who I'd like to see on the lineup one time? You know, it I don't know if it would work because it's a different kind of sound, but I'd love to see a kid funk play high. Do you think it would work that deep house, that really deep house? It's interesting. No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think not an Ibiza sound.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, listen, kid can definitely do it, but I don't know, man. Do I see the stay true sounds track at high at 1-2 a.m.?

SPEAKER_00

No, it would have to be earlier.

SPEAKER_02

Sorry, I lied. John Summit is not on the lineup. Yeah, Liver K. Who else? Mira. Shout out to Mira, Manu. Yeah, Manu. Yeah. Sonna. Sonna, man. We haven't seen Sonna out and about in a while, yeah. I think yeah, he's been a bit quiet, but Vanco's on the lineup. Who made who? Another, another. That's big. Another is on there. And Les Jamie, Guy Gerber, Jimmy Jules, of course, Laulu, Mamut Oran. We're happy. I'll be there maybe twice this year. Okay. Potentially twice this year. Yeah, man. I'm gonna have fun this summer. I've been I've been working. I feel like every day I'm just working, bro. I'm just like, I can't wait for like, you know, just just to come up for air. But when you're grinding, when you're just building stuff and you're full of ideas and you just wanna make things work. Like even now, I'm getting to a point where I don't want to have to rely on DJ gigs. And I don't want someone, I don't want to have to rely on someone to email me or call my phone and text me to say, like, you know, that has to be like a nice to have with gigs and all that stuff. So that's what that's why for me it's just like gotta make things happen.

SPEAKER_00

Diversification, my friend, that's the key to everything.

SPEAKER_02

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SPEAKER_00

Alright, guys. Yeah, again, let us know in the comments. Um, any conversation topics you want us to cover? Any guests you want to have on. This is everyone is a DJ. Thank you for listening. Peace. Peace.