Channeling Explained: How It Works & How to Start with Kiko Soirée

Resplendent drag artist, comedian and newly minted akashic master Kiko Soirée joins me to talk about their transition into mediumship. They talk about their gradual spiritual awakening and metamorphosis, how they began to dip into psychic play, and explain the marvels of the akashic records, a field of consciousness containing all knowledge—past, present and future—which can be accessed by all. 

This episode is designed as a primer for those who are just starting to “come online” to their intuitions, feelings or curiosities around the deeper mysteries around them. Kiko and I offer tips on how to cruise liminal spaces and make contact with your guides. It’s meant to be fun. 

Kiko offers akashic readings, which you can book via kikosoiree.com. And, for listeners in the New York area, don’t miss the latest edition of their live musical comedy advice show, Dear Kiko, at Littlefield on April 15. Tickets are available at linktr.ee/kikosoiree. 

Write to me at Ask@Heavenlybodiespodcast.com 

To book a reading with, go to DavidOdyssey.com and Davidodyssey.substack.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Hello, Star Child. You've tuned into Heavenly Bodies, a trip through the Cosmos with David Odyssey. I'm David Odyssey, your personal astrologer and guide, cruising through the stars and down to Earth. Each week, we'll seek life's meaning in archetypes, old and new. And now, let's drop in. Welcome to my star children, daughters of the galaxy, and so on and so forth. Uh today, okay, I'm not gonna cry during this introduction, but I want to say that I am joined by a dear friend whom I have known since 2017. Um a ugly, I don't like, I really don't want to do any labels because I'm already like, no, that's reductive. Like, why are we limiting them? But I should say that this person is a performer, comedian, drag queen, um, an organizational mastermind on par with uh Martha Stewart. They have hosted and dominated um all manner of different forms of uh live performance, uh, many, many of which I have either attended or had the honor of being on the stage for, and they were pretty unforgettable. Um, they are also they are the host of uh my favorite podcast, which I recently got to be on, Savior Complex, with our beloved friend Emily Olcott, and they are a channel. Um, they offer one-on-one Akashic readings, which is a gag. Please welcome to the podcast, the singular Kiko Soare.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Hello, David, and all heavenly bodies listening.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Hello.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

Hi, I'm so happy to be here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

I look, this is this is what I want to talk to you about, and this can go in a lot of directions. You and I, I think have shared an experience of kind of coming online to gifts that we didn't necessarily grow up thinking we were going. Like I you and I, I think have had these kind of awakenings into what can maybe be called psychic gifts, which even that I find really limiting and kind of basic. And I don't think this was something that either of us like was dreaming about in middle school. And we've both integrated it professionally, and we're on these kind of journeys of trying to bring it into our day-to-day lives and talk about it and integrate it, but I I wanted to talk with you about it because hello, you know. Um, so I'm first of all, can you just catch us up on where you are in this journey, even if it's where you are today?

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Okay, today I am calling you from Brooklyn, New York, first and foremost. Physically here, that's where I am on earth. Um had two cups of tea already and an amazing bowl of beans. This is all just important to get myself grounded, to get ourselves grounded. Yes. In terms of um, I guess let's call them intuitive gifts or skills or that's much better. It is. Um it's the last it's not totally the last thing I thought I'd be doing. I think the last thing would probably be what, like mathematician. But um, but it's it was it was pretty far-fetched um for me, but not totally it was not totally outside the realm of possibility. You know, if we talk about teenage dreams, it was be in an indie band and I don't know, play at the Bowery Electric.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

That can be arranged.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

I know, it's still on my list. Yeah, you know, I was I was a very sensitive child, also known as um a young closeted child, and um, you know, grew up going to uh church and um being reared in religion every Sunday. My exposure to music in that realm, I think, was my first kind of solid memories of being like, oh, I'm like feeling very connected to whatever this all is, spirituality, things like that. So I I think that was always that channel was always active. And you know, I later I later as I got to college started to be like, oh, this is what I call art or being an artist. But I think that was just the tip of the iceberg of so many things and so many layers of deconditioning. But that's where I'm starting, I guess. That's my first answer.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

I I'm I I just have to I'm sorry, the guides pinged me already. You know, you on your podcast Savior Complex, you talked a lot about how coming out as someone with intuitive gifts or coming out as someone who kind of can travel or listen or change the the frequency is a lot like coming out as as gay. And I I I just have to ask you, like, you know, because I know you as someone who has really gone through a lot of different doors and awakenings when it comes to the gender journey, and of course, I know you as a drag legend who I've seen perform Kim Petrus about 15,000 times. So but to me, the guides were just pinging me about like, no, they did all of this drag work to access this sort of high priestess capability or to be able to go beyond these confines, and with that, all of these other doors opened. Is that making sense? What was that? There anything else?

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Yes, completely. I mean, we've talked about this a little bit, um, especially when we've talked about my natal chart. Metamorphosis, I think, and identity are are like inextricable to me. Um and I think just for me in this vessel that I happen to be in in this lifetime, what did I have like Pluto in Scorpio and also my ascendant in Scorpio? Um and so for me thinking about identity uh conceptually, but also like living it and feeling it very viscerally have been um parallel to my artistic or creative explorations. Um it's both something I've play I've played with and then also things that I've like seriously wrestled with in like a dire and dramatic way, and like a a poignant way or you know, a serious way, you know, such as coming out and thinking about whether or not like I should carry on with this life, whether, you know, and then there's also you know the reclamation of our femininity through drag. At least that was my exploration of drag, being like actually um all parts of myself are really fun, and you know, uh drag is fun in this way that you get to be a champion for these parts of yourselves that you like stuffed away. So you are spot on in that kind of playing with um and studying, I guess I will say, myself and the journey of um self-awareness. I have to laugh at myself a little bit, but yeah, the journey of awareness, right, or and mindfulness as it relates to the self and what that even means, um, has definitely been s setting the stage for um channeling and entering into these intuitive gifts, and it's totally like coming out in that there is this uh persecution wound, and I was like um and I was, you know, of course, watching some girl on Instagram do just like public card readings, which I love. Um and her think her name is like Sarah Oracle, which I'm obsessed with. I I love her. This is free promo for her. Um, but she's talking about like, oh, you carry like a persecution wound. You have these gifts related to God and spirit, but um, there's fear of being persecuted, like kind of like a witch, right? And I was like, yeah. I was like, oh right. That's why coming out, I was joking about it on Savior Complex, but like coming out as a quote, psychic, which is kind of what I use for shorthand, um, is like vulnerable, embarrassing, but also like empowering and also true because it's like I have a there's a sphere of persecution like you're crazy, or like now you've really done it, like this is too far, you know. But I think at this age, and then the reason why I think drag and um every other art form I've explored has set the stage for this, is that I'm at this place where it's like there's really nothing to question because you can't enter into this kind of stuff with doubt. And I think um we'll we'll probably talk about it later, but that's actually one of the cornerstones of what I have to access and remember when I start to channel.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

So let's start, let's go there because let's go there. This is actually this is probably the number one thing because I know a lot of people, and that includes a lot of people I've done readings for, where I'm like, girl, you're probably more of a powerful channel than I am. Like, you are already there, but there's the thing of like doubt and permission. And I'll just give an example today. Today I was at a funeral, um, and the person who was buried kind of like made a joke to me. Uh just FYI, dead people usually, you know that a dead person's usually communicating to you because they usually have a very good sense of humor because they don't give a fuck anymore. Anyways, so she kind of made a joke to me, and she kind of made fun of me a little bit, and I and I caught it, and I and yeah, of course, there was a moment where I was like, oh, maybe I just made that up. No, no, no. And then I was like, you know what? We're gonna believe that this thing that I really just felt that I know came from somewhere else, came from me, and it doesn't matter. Like, I think there is this very internet-y culture of like, well, we need to prove, and you know that that thing is problematic. And I think with this sort of thing, I had to develop the skill to be like, it's okay. Like, if this thing is bullshit, I think it'll probably fade away or it won't matter, but I can trust that it's real. Like, I'm at that point.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

Completely, totally. Um, you know, in the Akashic Pathway Prayer, there is a segment of it um that goes uh protect oh Holy Spirit of God, protect me from all forms of self-centeredness and direct my attention to the work at hand. And something you say shorthand, well, when you do a reading for someone else, you say it only to yourself. But whenever you are wondering if your mind is wandering, or if this is you, or if this is the work you're doing, just like simply repeat uh repeating that phrase, or I will say spell, is a way of recalibrating the frequency. Um and I think about um uh setting aside the the ego, correct? You know, ego can be helpful and is helpful sometimes, but not it it can cause confusion when you're trying to access an intuitive gift. And ego, what it stands for, they say edging God out. So yeah, you can't have ego and also try to channel um because you need God. You you that's that's kind of the idea. I mean God in whatever form it as it relates to you, but the idea is that we are opening ourselves up to higher frequencies and higher powers and um and the forces of light, so they say.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Kiko, can you just explain for our listeners what Akashic is and what the Akashic, like what that is for you and what that kind of looks like?

SPEAKER_02 14:09

Yes, totally. Um and before I I always start this explanation, I always give a shout out to um a friend, mentor, teacher, Kat Hunt, from whom I learned so much about the Akashic Records. She was the first person to read my Akashic Records.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Same.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

Um we both did her ARC program. Um and that's kind of where a lot of these um gifts didn't come online, but they became clear as uh something that needed to be addressed. Um Akasha is the fifth element, um, and that's a Sanskrit word. The other elements are fire, earth, water, air. And akasha I think means sky, but it's also known as spirit. And it is the imprint, the akashic records are the imprint of all that has been and all that can be. I I believe it, I've also heard it as um kind of like the imprint for life, like the memory of life, and and also the imprint for life. When I um before I start my readings with people, I um I say a way to understand the energy of the Akashic Records can be something like let's say you're not like a religious or spiritual person, you might say, ask yourself, what makes a seed grow? Like we know seeds can grow, but like what actually makes them grow and why do they grow at all? Um what is the collective consciousness? Um, what is the quantum field? Right? These are all ways that we can start to talk about this unseen force that unites us and that kind of moves through all living and non-living things.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

The way I would describe it, I think, is you know, like I use tarot or astrology to kind of get into the library. Kiko can just, and I've I can do it. I'm I'm not as specialized as Kiko and certainly as much as Kat, but what Kiko and Kat can do is just like kind of be librarians and just be like, okay, who do we need to talk to? And they can just go straight to the source and be like, what's the message? Great, got it, here it is. So, you know, you really are kind of like these direct messengers.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

Yeah, and and you know, I'll I always have to say I'm an ever I'm a uh lifelong student, so I'm always learning. But oh yeah, I think I there was a moment, especially when I was practicing and doing this, I really felt like um Hayden Christensen when he started to become a Jedi, and I was like, Oh, I was like, holy shit, like I actually am pretty good at this. Like, or I was like, I I I feel like I was built for this. Not even and not like in a super braggy way, but it's kind of like I imagine uh an athletic swimmer being like, wait, I'm actually really good at swimming.

SPEAKER_00 17:15

Well, it's interesting you say that, Kiko, because you and I, I think both came into this from the world of being artists, and being an artist is so riddled with insecurity, and it's you're kind of never like you never really know. You can be you can know you're good at something. It's not that. You can know you're good at your craft, and I think we both have that, but there is this sense of like, well, that just went out into the world. But with this, I think there's a lot of responsibility because when you're working with a client or when you are even channeling for a friend, you really want to make sure that you're doing it so honestly and making sure that the bases are covered and that you're it's it's considerate and compassionate, and that you know, if someone is asking you these really serious questions about their life, that you're not just like, yeah, girl, everything's gonna be amazing. So I I think that the responsibility aspect has the Jedi Knight quality to it, which is like you can't just pick up a lightsaber. You're going to really need to make sure that if you swing it, you know where it's going.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Yeah, and I that is totally about what like understanding service, right? Like we want to be of service um to our highest good and the highest good of everyone connected to us, which is also part of the Akashic Pathway prayer. Uh I also like um it's not even it's also like uh um the even saying I have spiritual gifts, it doesn't mean and I know that's like kind of I meant to have to I I always whenever I say these things I kind of laugh. Because it's funny to me. Um but it's like someone else saying, like, I have mathematical gifts or I have language gifts or I have um engineering gifts or whatever. Um so when I'm doing it, I am activating, I think it feels like I'm activating my whole consciousness and attuning to bringing this uh message these messages, transmitting these messages is what I'm trying to say. And sh then, you know, I think maybe one I actually try not to even live in this space of like arguing on behalf of the skeptic anymore because truthfully, I don't really care. I think that's kind of like where it's like. Um but what I will say is that the fun thing about when you actually do this and and you are um opening yourself up as a channel um for your highest good and their highest good and the highest good of everyone connected to us, you m the way my channel works is I'm a clairvoyant and a clairsentient and uh claircognizant is kind of also there, which is uh seeing images and feeling um emotional transmissions. And it's my job as a channel to articulate those um sensations and messages as clearly as I can. Um and the cool thing about doing readings now, and I've in all the readings I've done is sometimes saying a message and saying an image that to me I'm just like, okay, this kind of s seems a little random, right? But then I also just say to myself, um Holy Spirit of God, protect me from all forgiveness self-centeredness, direct my attention to the work at hand. That's just to check in. I mean, like, okay, is this what you want me to say? And then I'll say it. Something that I think is pretty random. Like a vending. I'm look seeing you banging a vending machine, and I don't know, and there's like consternation, and I kind of go on and on, and then I talk a little bit, transmit more of the feeling, and then I check in and say, How is this all resonating? And they're like, I literally I work eight to ten hour days, and there's a vending machine on the first floor that I go down to sometimes in the middle of the day when I'm so tired, and I know it's like not great. I have this love hate relationship with the vending machine. So then it's like, okay, this is cool. We start to get confirmation that the channel. Between us is open and that more is than wanting to come through. And I think that I I'm just have a I have have a high accuracy rate. I don't know. That sounds weird to say. Like I have a high batting average, but there are I'm not questioning it anymore because it just is what it is, you know?

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Listen, you know, when I started doing readings, I made it very, I said, you know, this is all like a Rorschach test, and it's all about it's psychological and it's the unconscious, but then things started happening that really just like weren't coming from me, and I knew they were coming from somewhere else, and then they really started registering as like, please, David did not come up with this shit. You know, we're way, you know, it was something more intelligent than me. And yeah, after some point I was kind of like, well, I am letting go. And I I don't need to question or break it down or explain it. So what I want to, yeah, with with this, with what you said about doubt earlier, which is really good. What what I want to say is for people who I think are feeling like something's coming online, and I think it's different for a lot of people. One of the friends of the pod, uh Emily Dacey, I'm I'm name-dropping her, she has a thing with birds. She gets messages from birds, birds are constantly telling her what's up. I know other people who have different things. You know, there's bit there's all sorts of ways that this sort of a thing can come online. And I think people have this idea that you get to some point, or you've always been this way, or you saw dead people when you were a child. And I'm just wondering, because for you and I, it it was a bit more of um obviously there have been these lightning strikes, but I think it was a bit more of an opening. And I'm curious what you would say to someone who feels like things are coming online, but they have doubts and they they're telling themselves not to believe it, or they don't know what to do with it, or how should they treat this, or just how do you allow for that opening to happen?

SPEAKER_02 24:11

I I think well, I think first and foremost, you're completely right in that everyone has intuition. Um there's a bit of a deconditioning we have to do in our society because they just don't, it's just not prioritized in the way that your analytical skills are. Um but another boring conversation. But um uh so everyone has an intuition, and everyone intuition everyone's intuition functions a little different because intuition, by its very nature, comes in many ways. It can come in feeling, it can come in images, it can come in sounds, it can come through uh synchronicity, right? You know, Young, classic, Young's concept of synchronicity. Um it can come just through accidental meaning, like you know, somet you look at something two random things happen, but they're only meaningful to you. And the way that things become meaningful to you, I think is um uh personal. And I would say for anyone who is starting to open up to their intuitive life, it is a magical process. And um sure, I guess I'm not gonna say don't be afraid because that's kind of a a huge broad stroke, but get curious about what the fear is around trusting your intuition, I think is definitely a first step. Um, and is that fear actually real or or what's the threat there? Um and there are little experiments that you can do, you know, with playing with your intuition and things like that, such as making art.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

Hello. Um, you know, it's I I have to say something over the years, the amount of clients I've had, or the amount of people I've encountered who have said to me, you know, I was really sick and I was in the hospital and I almost died, or I was in a car accident and I was out for a while, and then when I started recovering, I started feeling all of these things, and I started having all of these awakenings. Or a lot of people, I was an alcoholic, then I got sober, and now suddenly I'm feeling all of these intuitions, or I'm tapped in, or I'm starting to see things. And I there is some sort of a, you know, there's I think we are kind of people get a rap for um, you know, we're dreamy, we're out of it, we can't deal with reality. But I I find that a lot of people come online after going through something or after coming out of something. I'm curious what you think about that.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

You don't even have to ask me. You can listen to uh what the that episode in the telepathy tapes where they all talk about, you know, the afterlife. Um or you can watch that Netflix series Beyond Death. So there's so many people who talk about um NDEs and traumatic experiences that help them open up to uh life. I see it, I I think like coming online feels I mean it's it's like a it's like a technological term. But I would also say I would also rephrase it as or an offer another perspective such as you are starting to consider life differently than you did before. Because something so impactful has happened to you, it's forced to your hand. You cannot unsee or unfeel or unknow what you know now. And that is the equivalent of being gay. I like guys. Okay, I gotta come out. But um, it's you know, it can work in uh in so many other ways. I think like and then it's your choice. It's your really your choice to follow it. You can resist it too. You can say no. Um, and you can see how that feels in your body and see what patterns continue to happen in your life. I didn't um I didn't, you know, I I wasn't just like an immediate yes to these intuitive gifts. I was reading, I was going to psychics for the better part of my my entire twenties, um, just for fun. It was kind of like I would call it my go my casino. Like I some people liked slots, I just liked going to readings, I was like, this is thrilling and fun way to spend my money and had a great time. I started picking up that some readers were good and some were bad, and I I didn't think too much about it. But and then I then I, you know, I bought my first tarot deck when I was 18 in a snowstorm in college, and it's the same deck I still have. Um and I started reading for family and friends, and it was really only in the past year and a half, two years where I was like, okay, this is shifting. So I can choose to listen to it and explore and get curious about it or not, and I decided to explore. And it had a lot of fun uh experiments. Sometimes I would do drunk psychic or b buzzed psychic where I would just be at a party, and if I was extremely bored by anything that was going on, I would go up to someone I did not know at all. And I would just look at them and be like, Hi, I'm Kiko, and they'd be like, Hi, I'm uh I'm Jen. I was like, Hi, do you want a psychic reading? Like a drunk psychic reading? And then I would just I kind of do that. And uh, you know, obviously that's not what I do when I channel for clients, but it's just a way of playing, because um the field is always there.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

You know, you know, something you said uh I, you know, I've I've to quote Lil' Kim, I've been a lot of places, I've seen a lot of faces, and like, you know, I've been I've astral projected, I've been in the fifth dimension, I've met gods, I've met guides, I've been uh I've been different animals, I've met past a lot. Okay, I've I've done plenty. A lot of times, though, my mind, I don't really like have anywhere to put this because you know, the way that I was conditioned or the way that we all grew up, a lot of these experiences aren't for the sake of productivity or achievement. They're just like learning experiences or deepening experiences or expansive experiences. And sometimes I'll even forget that they happened. Like I keep a very I keep, of course, a shamanistic journal, of course, but you know, my mind in some ways, or my waking reality, which is like I'm broke. Who's you know, I need to clean the apartment before the Airbnb comes, or whatever that shit is of like, um, I need to boil the the spaghetti. I these a lot of times I it's almost like I don't have a place to put a lot of these things. So I I just wanted to bring that up because I I don't think that all of these I think as Americans we're really conditioned that every single thing needs to become a product or a profit or a lesson. And when you go into these sort of ambiguous spaces, it really is a separate way of thinking and relating than a lot of how we have to deal with the day-to-day and data and logic and survival, you know?

SPEAKER_02 32:15

Yeah, yeah. I mean, messages can come in all the time in all different forms. Um are you are you like kind of talking about how like what do we do with these messages? And sometimes we don't need to do anything at all with them.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

I agree. I think you know, I think that was actually part of the reason why I did want to develop this um skill is that I it was starting to become my um I'm an empath, so um when you know, I'm even in like public spaces, my membrane started to become much more porous. And I think it um it became overwhelming for me, and I would try to numb myself, you know, if I was at a party, sometimes it'd be like, okay, wait, I need a a drink right now. And you know, sometimes that's fun, but then sometimes you're like, why am I why do I have to numb myself out right now? And I wanted to strengthen that um barrier on my own terms. Um and so that's part of this practice is kind of saying, like, okay, now I have my psychic wall up, right? Or like even if I pick up something, I don't I can just toss it away. It's not that's not for me to talk about right now. Or I can meet someone and know immediately something that uh I see something. And I'd be like, well, I guess I'll just have to die with this knowledge. So funny to think about. But um, but I think that's also like, I mean, this is not even like a psychic thing. I think that's also a human design projector thing. Projectors have the ability to penetrate into people's auras, and you and I are both projectors. That's just the way that we are designed. Our aura is penetrating, especially into generator types. And so we literally see into people, but that insight is only valuable to the recipient and us if we are invited by words or by energy or by action.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

You know what's interesting about this is I was talking with my stepmom about this. Uh, she told me that witches got were associated with broomsticks because witches were very clean and they were always sweeping up the house. And, you know, witches, of course, had been the high priestess. And the high priestess of the temple has to be very clean. She has to cleanse herself. And it's interesting because I when we were talking about drag earlier, I was thinking about like the the pre-ritual of drag and the cleanup after drag, and how much of that it's similar to a lot of the work we do. And and what is interesting about as you get more into this world, a huge part of it is the before and then the cleanup after. Okay, I'm you know, I'm calling on on my team because I need protection. Great, the ritual's done. I just did this reading for some total fucking stranger. Let's cleanse the schmutz. We can release what needs to be released. You know, so a lot, and when I did my initiation, a lot of it had to do with like, great, we need to tie a string around your ankle so that you're not gonna get lost in the labyrinth. This is what you need to do to stay protected. These are the tools or weapons or rituals that you'll need to stay protected. Um, so I think that's like a really nice aspect to this, which is like we can learn how to how to not be completely decimated all the time.

SPEAKER_02 36:16

Yes, yes. And it's it's so I'm so glad that you mentioned ritual. Um, because I was not actually a ritual first person. That was not my entryway into magic. Um, but now I get it. Like I get why it's important. Because it's about, um, I know we were laughing about this word earlier, but it is about um orchestrating or cleansing or redirecting the energy within yourself and around you through an act, and a ritual can be anything. In fact, we have all these your whole day is a ritual, you know, and you're putting some sort of magic into it, and maybe it's not great magic, but it comes down to like your thoughts affect you and your behavior and your life and your reality. And it's like what you think and what you speak is the reality you're creating. And so that ritual prepares your reality, and it can also, you know, help close the reality too. Like after each reading, I'm jumping, you know, doing the uh light jumping, um to clear all the chi and like to kind of you know get it moving and to kind of shake everything off, and then I, you know, I do my own thank you to the guides for whatever. Um but yeah, totally. It's I think that's what is needed in that's what's needed. I think it's actually not even needed in channeling. People should think about what are their habits and rituals every single day. Because it will be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

It's interesting because like when I've been a waiter, I've always noticed when someone sits down to a table, and I, as the waiter, come up and clean the table, you know, wipe the surface for them. Even if the surface had already been clean, there's something about, okay, I've just cleared the space. Now you now you can begin this thing. You know, it's little things like that, which it's like, oh yeah, we need those uh so that there is some order to this, and then we can really start blasting shit open.

SPEAKER_02 38:35

Yeah. Ritual sets the stage and and and it gets and attunes your frequency. And maybe the more you practice and the more you master, you might not even need a ritual, or you might find new rituals, or you might change a ritual. Like a ritual should be in service, it shouldn't really be a crutch either, I don't think.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

Mmm. T. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 38:58

I'll have to re-examine that extremely.

SPEAKER_00 39:01

No, there's it's interesting because I'm in rabbinical school, and there's so much argument among rabbis where they're like, if you have to do these prayers every day, then they lose meaning. Uh, they should be only when you feel it. And then other rabbis are like, no, by doing it every day, then you do feel it. So I think this is an ongoing dialogue that's really fascinating. Um, but yeah, I do think it should always be dynamic, like it needs to evolve with you. It shouldn't feel static.

SPEAKER_02 39:28

Yeah, and and I think, you know, I I can only speak to my experience and my practice, but in exploring this new stage of my life, I think everyone has a different kind of channel, like even in terms of its frequency or like or environment. Like I know, um, you know, in my sessions with Kat, it was revealed and it was explored that my uh I I'm when I make this connection, I'm from the it's something like the angelic or um crystalline or celestial realm. You know, it's I mean words kind of start to lose their meaning, but it's that frequency. And to be honest, that is the same frequency I felt within me as a child. I these were you Sailor Moon. Yeah, it's something like that, but I you know, I'm wow, I'm can I can feel the energy starting to well up in my eyes, but it's like I'm connecting with the stars and star light and s and as and water watery starlight as it relates also to the ocean and the ocean star and um you know all that is contained within that. And I felt that as a child. That is what I understood to be um pure to me. And I don't love the word pure because it has a lot of moral um stuff around it. But it did feel it does feel holy to me. Um I'm I'm connecting to my my holiness and finding the words that I need to connect to holy with holiness and to tie it back to what we were saying, I think that's when ritual can be impactful, when you remember what you're trying to do, which is connect to God, connect to something holy.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

You know, it's interesting because I always, you know, I always, always loved going out and dancing, and I always felt like when I was dancing, something was happening. But that was long before I had any of this stuff going on. And then once this began, I would start to go dancing, but I would set intentions and I would do sigil magic that got unleashed when I was in like a state of heightened rapture on the dance floor. And then so I I'm bringing that up to say like uh we have a dear friend who is listening, who I'm not going to say her name, but she, whenever she goes and gets her bikini wax done, for some reason when she is on her back and closes her eyes and is in this state, she goes places. So I'm bringing all this up to say, like, it doesn't mean that you need to like totally change your entire lifestyle and move to a swamp and then you're going to connect with Gaia. It's likely that you may already have something that you're doing that taps you in, and you might just need to go in with a little more intention or do the pre and the post-ritual of saying, okay, I'm about to do my favorite thing. I'd like this to be a fully open gate when I do it. You know what I mean? Like, I I don't think anyone needs to go too far for their Jedi powers to unveil themselves.

SPEAKER_02 43:03

No, you should just go for a walk in a park or neck go sit by a tree for a second. And really just um do something without a purpose. Do an activity that has no purpose but brings you joy, that is not just locked into your screen or the TV or or something. Like get curious about what where when was the last time you felt wonder? When was the last time you felt timelessness? When was the last time you felt pure curiosity? You know. Um some people are are s are library wizards, you know? It's not like magic is only about the non-written form, too. I think it's about following that the current of your heart.

SPEAKER_00 44:03

Kiko, this is my last question I want to ask you.

SPEAKER_02 44:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:07

Something that I really struggle with. I think for people who are sensitive, you know, when I like read the news, I'll get like, oh my, you know, I'll just I'll be like, what if I can't handle this? Like what if I'm too sensitive or vulnerable? Or what if I feel too much? Or what is this gonna destroy me? And I I it's tough because I know that I need to have an open heart and I want to have an open channel so that I can have contact with this higher truth or or or understanding or possibility. And I of course want to know, I want to be like a responsible citizen of the world and not just be in the clouds. But uh I guess I'm just curious, like, and you don't have to have an answer for this, but like, what do we sensitive people do? Like, how do we how do we do this? How do we open up when the world is so violent and scary and cruel?

SPEAKER_02 45:13

I'll give you the most recent thing that happened that makes me think about this, and it actually wasn't even about the quote real world. I was watching James Cameron's The Abyss at the recommendation of Lulu. Lulu Krause, which I had not seen yet. I've not seen it either. There is a woman um who looks exactly like Lulu who is in it, and it is uncanny. Let the record show. I I paused it, I took a picture of it, I said, Is that you? Um anyways, I was watching The Abyss, which is um James Cameron is obsessed with submarines and also machines, and also loves these scenes where people are about to drown. Yes. Or do drown. Yes. And um I was watching it, and I think I'm at the point in my life, and I'm a very sensitive person, um, where this woman was the main character was intentionally trying to drown herself so that they could drag her body to this other submarine. And I felt in my own body such um tension and rejection, and just like I the words were like, I don't need to watch this, or I can't watch this. I but I said I acknowledge that it's happening and this is a plot to the movie, and that I don't deny that this is going on, but I just didn't watch it. And I said to my partner, tell me when this is over. I just really can't stomach this right now. This this is really intense. And this is just a movie. Obviously, it's fake, but I also feel the same way about some horror films and some core films that I stopped watching. And to each, you know, to each their own. I know some people that's that's their language. The fantasy of violence of it all. But what I will I mention this because I think the same thing can apply to quote the real world. No I think it's important to witness experiences or have new experiences in the world in some way that feels comfortable to you, so that you um don't just live inside Plato's cave the rest of your life. You should like be aware of what's happening and then um protect your the limits in which your own consciousness is able to actually bear witness to. Because it's not about your ability to recognize the pain. I think collectively it is about how or individually and then collectively, how you want to respond to this. I see this, I see this tragedy, I see this pain. I'm going to bring more forgiveness to my day today. I'm gonna bring more compassion to my day today. I'm going to bring more understanding. And you might even pray, like bring me into places where I can share my compassion with people. Help me to understand things that I don't know. You it I think it's about the translation of what you're actually going to do that is the more important thing than just doom scrolling news. Um, and that looks like so many things. Some people go into activism, some people go into healing, some people go into organizing. Some people are just like, you know what? I am going to reach out to my family member who I don't like, but I think they're really lonely. And maybe I can be the bigger person today. So I think when we recalibrate to ease suffering, that is good. A good thing. As Martha would say, it's a good thing. You know that? That's her catchphrase.

SPEAKER_00 49:36

I had how did I not know that's her catchphrase?

SPEAKER_02 49:39

Her cat whenever she makes something, you're right, she talks, she she talks about it for fucking so long. It's immaculate, and then she tries her own work, she goes, that's a good thing. Leo. And I'm like, go off. Go off. I get you and I see you.

SPEAKER_00 49:58

I also love in the documentary. Every guy that she talked about having sex with, she was like, and he was very handsome. It's like, okay, girl, we got it.

SPEAKER_02 50:09

I I think there's a subreddit. I think there's a subreddit where someone asks Martha Stewart for sex advice, and she just writes back, shower before sex, shower after sex.

SPEAKER_00 50:23

Ritual.

SPEAKER_02 50:24

That's it. Ritual.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

Cleanse and purify. That's all you need. Kiko, I of course cannot recommend highly enough your podcast, Savior Complex, available wherever podcasts are consumed. Um Kiko offers one-on-one readings, and uh Kiko has hosted uh the legendary uh live advice uh magazine show, Deer Kiko. Is there anything else you want us to be you want uh our chickens to be um knowing about?

SPEAKER_02 51:06

Yes, if you're in New York City, um if you're a New York City chicken or Brooklyn chicken, come to Deer Kiko. The next one is on April 15th. It's a musical, unscripted advice show that is all about the audience. It's fueled by um people from the audience, so it's a big hoot.

SPEAKER_00 51:27

Um listen to the podcast. I have laughed the hardest I've ever laughed at Deer Kiko's. And they have featured some of the stars of Stage and Screen in the their stupidest incarnations.

SPEAKER_02 51:41

Yeah, you know, um we only just last year pieced together that Hannah Solo, who is the understudy for um Mary and O Mary, met Cola Scola because they were both on the panel of Dear Kiko, and that was the original meat cute for what became Broadway, a legendary Broadway chapter. Okay, and I'm not claiming, I'm not I'm not claiming it, but like that is where they would not have really met unless it's I was there that night, yeah, and Hannah's character was quote a woman from the street. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Woman, like woman from the neighborhood. She came in double fisting two white claws and just was saying nonsense for two hours.

SPEAKER_00 52:31

Wow. And that night Cole explained to me that all of their jewelry is costume jewelry that they got on eBay for like five dollars, and I was like, fuck you're good.

SPEAKER_02 52:41

Yeah. Okay. Um, and that's it. Yeah, if you ever want to do a reading, listeners, chickens, um, hit me up. It'd be so fun. And also, I recomm a David as well, if you want a reading from either of us. Or if you just want to be dressed down and kind of like ridiculed for an hour, I can do that for you too.

SPEAKER_00 53:00

And you should be so lucky. You should be so lucky. Kiko, I feel like we were we're only just getting started, and obviously, this is what I feel like is an ongoing lifelong conversation, and I I hope to record more of these. Thank you so much for all of this wisdom you've shared and all of your compassion and insight. Um, and and yeah, I'm just so grateful. Thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_02 53:28

I am so grateful. I'm so lucky. Thank you, everyone, for listening to us yap today and be blessed wherever you are.

SPEAKER_00 53:36

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