Power Hour | Ep. 11 | The Misfit Leadership Advantage: 3 Dimensions of Leadership Explained

What if the reason your team feels so different… is actually your greatest strength?

In this episode of the Power Hour Podcast, Pastor Ty and Pastor Kyle unpack powerful leadership insights from The Three Dimensions of Leadership by Jason Hanash. We talk about how healthy teams aren’t built on sameness—but on diversity of gifting, personality, and perspective.

From visionary leaders to relational connectors to operational thinkers, every role matters. And when those differences come together under one mission, something powerful happens.

We also get real about our own leadership team—why we joke about being an “island of misfit toys,” and how God is using that uniqueness to build something significant in Eastern Idaho.

This isn’t just leadership theory—this is what it looks like when God takes ordinary, different people and does extraordinary things through them.

If you’re leading a team, serving in ministry, or trying to understand your role in what God is building, this episode will challenge and encourage you.

We believe this is just the beginning—and we’re believing for a move of God across Idaho.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:07

What's up everybody? We are back for another episode of Our Hour.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

My name is Aftertime here in the house.

SPEAKER_00 0:15

And we're excited. We got a we got an awesome episode for you. We had the privilege last week of running over to Nampa, Idaho with the with the whole crew. We took like a whole van full of people. It was awesome. Shout out to the Baptist Church for lending us the van and made it there and back again without any problems. Always a good thing. Yes, sir. And uh it was just a good time to to grow as a team. You know, often uh when you have a team of leaders, we're constantly uh giving at the church, serving at the church. It's it's hard sometimes, you know, to find those uh periods where you're able to just receive. And uh it felt like that was just one of those days where we could just like we weren't leading anything, we weren't doing anything. We were just there and we were able to be fed and to just get something out of the event, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:09

Yeah, I I love those moments, those moments where you can really just focus on your relationship with God and like you said, uh not stress about, you know, is Pro Presenter right or wrong, or the computers working, and how's the audio? But really just say, God, what do you have for me today? And man, it was powerful. It was powerful.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Yeah, it was it was so good. Uh shout out to Southern Idaho for the Ministry Network and then also Jason uh Jordan Hodges uh at uh CFC for putting it on. Um, we had the privilege of having our special guest uh be Jason Hanash. He is a pastor, church planner, uh down in it's Bakersfield, right? Bakersfield, uh California.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

I just remember it's Discovery Church in California.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

Yeah, yeah. Uh if I if I got that wrong, if it's not Bakersfield, sorry. Uh, but it's somewhere down in uh California. We all know that they they need a lot of Jesus down there. So it was good having him. But you know, he's taken a church he planned it about 12 years ago. And uh if you don't know Jason, he is a powerful speaker, an amazing leader, and uh he came and spoke about this idea that I want to talk about, uh, which is uh a 3D leader, and he has a book uh out as well, if you want to look it up, called The Three Dimensions of Leadership, which is relational, organizational, and visionary. And it was cool because he talked about all three, and uh then we all had to take a test. Everybody in the on the team, we all took this test to find out uh what kind of leader we were. Uh some people were 1D leaders, other people had like two of the three, and uh a few had had all three, and uh so it got really, really specific on there. And uh I thought it was interesting. Uh, we all took the test, but the one person that was a 1D leader was our very own Pastor Ty. It's one of the few in the entire, not just our group, but like in that was there.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

It's true, man. There's nothing more humbling than realizing that you are on the bracket for the worst leader in the whole room. The worst, let's go. Well, yeah, maybe not the worst, but the most unique. That's a way to say it. I'd say the most like you know, single dimension. Basically, I'm a one-trick pony. I'm a one-trick pony.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

I thought I thought it was really, really entertaining because uh, you know, he would have us raise our hands for what we were, and uh, I remember I was uh it was called an innovate innovator because I was very high uh visionary, but I was decently high in the other two as well. And I was like, I he would call it a 3D leader, and then Bambi was a lot more uh focused on like the people and the organization, uh, because I was kind of more visionary. But if you guys can't guess, Ty was basically a hundred percent visionary.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

No basic about it. Uh the other two were below 30. So apparently, I'm not good at stewarding things, I'm not good at counseling or pastoring people, but man, can I hear from the Lord?

SPEAKER_00 4:39

Yeah, you got you got the vision. You cast the vision, and then you're like, go do it.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

That's right. That's pretty much it. I uh I laughed. He he talked about uh mine was called the dreamer, and basically, I'm really good at uh in a in a to put it in a Christian lunge, I'm really good at reading the Bible, hearing what God says, and believing for it. And man, uh it was very humbling, but very awesome and also like very powerful to just get to know yourself and your strengths and your weaknesses a little bit more. You know what I mean? I I assumed I'd be better with organization or things like that, but um, to really boil down the fact that man, really what I'm good at is hearing from God and inspiring other people to hear from him too, was really eye-opening. I loved it, it was fun. Yeah, but not all of us can be, you know, I thought it's funny. Bambi was really the only organizational leader. We brought 10 of our team with us. Yeah, Bambi was the only organizational leader, so we recognized something. We raised up some more organizational leaders. Yep. We got a shortage.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

Bambi is very important.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Everybody else was relational, which I loved. It's like apparently, if I'm not, we really need those people that are are our registers at heart. And then you, Pastor Kyle, you're you're you're almost Jesus. You know what I mean? It's like uh there's Jesus of Jesus of 10, you're at eight and a half because you got all three.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Jeez, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

Come on, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

That was uh that was really uh interesting, is all I have to say after seeing the results. How so the three dimensions um is relational, organizational, and and visionary. And uh the way the way I see it uh with how the team is is built is basically Ty says we need to head this way and we are headed up the mountain, and that's the that's the visionary side of things. Bambi, very relational, very uh organizational. She's the one that's like, well, what about the people? Like, how do we get them? And then like, where are we going to stop? Do we have food? Like, she's the one that's like, how do we get there?

SPEAKER_01 6:48

Yeah, it's just thinking through those details.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

And I'm the weird, like the chameleon, I guess, that I can just like visionary was my highest, but relational and organizational was pretty high as well. That I feel like I can just fill in the the gaps. I'm like the uh uh that spray foam that just kind of like at the end like fills in all the the random gaps and and makes it look good in the end. Um like obviously visionary was high, but it wasn't as high as you. Uh organization is high, but wasn't as high as Bambi. Uh everybody else on the team, like Pastor Troy and Ford Hall, very, very high, relational. Uh, a lot of the team, I I thought it was interesting, was very, very uh relational. The coolest part, I think, with all of this is seeing how the team was formed. Like, yeah, you're the you're the one person in our church that is the one D. You got one dimension and it's visionary. But at the same point, you whether you did it intentionally or it just like God putting the team together, like you have people around you that really complement your weaknesses.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

Yeah, and you know, it was funny to me, the like the guy Jason was was awesome, and he really encouraged everyone, you should try to, you know, grow in your weaknesses and try to like, you know, to realize that you can't do things fundamentally. And I I think that I recognize that, you know what I mean? That the way I do things, you know, anytime there's a problem, I think that me casting vision is always the solution. Right. And we know that's not true. You know, if your budget's short, vision ain't always the solution. Sometimes it's looking at the budget and making wise decisions. If someone needs counseling, shooting some vision in their DNA is not always the answer. Sometimes they need a pastoral presence. And uh, I'm thankful that our team, like as I'm trying to grow and and develop as a leader, that we have people around us that, man, are so great at loving people, pastoring people, so good at um, you know, being being good stewards of the of the resources that we're given, the buildings, the items, you know, the the finances. But um man, it I just thank God and everything that we've done that man, if he's called me to be faithful and he's he's told me where to go, that if I simply follow, he takes care of the rest. And that goes with the you know, the the bringing in the items, the bringing on the buildings, the bringing on the campuses, but most importantly, and bringing on the team is outside of you, Pastor Kyle, you're again you're unique in this way. Everybody else on our on our on our leadership team is homegrown. True. And the majority of them, really everyone we brought besides Bambi is within the two years that I've been here.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Some of them are newer or got converted in the two years that I've been here. Some of them um were, you know, we're already Christians, but needed some equipping and came from other churches or wherever they may be. But um God's really had his hand on our church, and I think it just shows in even practical ways like this, where God's not gonna let his church falter. And I know, you know, as we grow wide, we want to grow deep. I'm just thankful that God provides even in those circumstances. Right. Where it's not just um it's not just God, we need a a fresh vision because we've we've had the same vision the whole time, you know what I mean? But it's God, we need we need workers. I think of that verse, the harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. It's like God, we we have a lot to do, and God just keeps providing, you know what I mean, whatever we need, and people and leaders included. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Yeah, a lot of a lot of churches will always talk about people needing people, needing workers, and saying, if we if these people come, if we get the help, then we can start growing, then we can start reaching our community. But that's not how God works, He works the opposite. Start doing the work of the ministry, uh, possibly even overextend yourself a little bit. I'm sure with uh over the last year with Ford Hall, it felt sometimes that you guys were a little overextended, even if you weren't, because you're exhausted. You do church all morning on Sunday at American Falls, and then next thing you know, like up until recently, everyone's then headed out to Fort Hall, and it's like, hey, I'm doing it all over again. And you you stretch yourselves, and it's not surprising that now God is sending you workers because you have been faithful with the little, and now he's going to send you a lot more. I look at my uh me showing up at a powerhouse and becoming a pastor here, and uh, we were just talking earlier about the the timing, and it's something neither one of us could have planned, uh, neither one of us expected it was going to happen, but the timing and everything that happened lined up so absolutely perfectly that it's only a God thing. Like, I I know there is no doubt in my mind that even though like this might not have been like the first choice, God knew that I was coming out here and he was preparing me to to be out here as an executive pastor. You look at Troy, he's been being trained up for years, and now he's here in a a new place that yeah, it'll stretch him, it will, it will push him out of his comfort zone a little bit, but God is bringing people into powerhouse because man, he's got something cool. Like we we talk about and we dream and we pray about what's what's to come, but God's doing amazing things in American Falls, he's doing amazing things in Fart Hall. Soon he's going to be doing uh even more uh outrageous things in Soda Springs once we get that going and off the ground. Like, who knows what else he has has planned for us and is doing it all with uh with you at the helm.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Yeah, it's it's very I'm very thankful and I'm I'm very humbled to see everything God's doing. And I think something that most people in our church don't know is out of the you know 10 leaders that win, we still have a few that didn't even go. Sure. There's only three of us that are paid at the church. And so what that really shows me is man, maybe maybe maybe God knew what he was doing, you know, when he called me here, because man, the thing I would say is that all of us that are working alongside each other, especially those that you know have are new and homegrown, I would say, man, we're bought into the vision. Even us that are getting paid, we're not you know, we're not, we're not wealthy by any means. We're not we're not making millions from doing this. We um I'm thankful for our way, does you know what I mean? But we're not we're not becoming rich by any means, but all of us are just bought into the vision of what the Lord has given us. We want to see people reached for Jesus in Idaho. We want people to experience the power of God. And the only reason we've been able to expand and do other campuses, run multiple service, have all the ministry that we've been doing is because people have been faithful to say yes. And what I love is it's not the same kind of people. It's not just I'm I'm I'm getting a bunch of daydreamers, although you know I am one, so I love it. It's not just that we're getting a bunch of nerds who are good with numbers, it's not just that we're getting a bunch of lovey dubbies that love to hug, but God's bringing in everybody.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

And man, you know that God is on the move when the vision that He provides isn't just for a single group of people. I also laughed, I was looking around, and man, we had different ages, different genders, different races, all in the same vehicle, all at the same conference together, like pouring our hearts out that we want to see people know Jesus. And I just can't think of anything other than the power of God that would make that happen.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

Yeah, only God could have put that together. We if it was up to us to try to put it together, we would have screwed something up. Oh, right. It wouldn't have gone uh went this good. Like I look at it and I see the team as uh as a puzzle in so many ways, and each of us are unique and we fill a very specific uh spot that makes powerhouse as effective as it is.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Well, and I think that people for really forget uh how important faithfulness to the Lord is. Like I I don't know about you, Pastor Kyle, but I can think of a ton of leaders that are much more qualified than I am. You know what I mean? A lot of leaders that it like it it doesn't make sense why God would have called me, it doesn't make sense why God would would use me as he has. Like, I mean, he took some kid that was a high school dropout that wanted to be in a punk rock band, you know what I mean? And he's using him. And man, I I I have you know my license to preach, but I and it and stuff like that, but uh I've gone through the training. But man, there are a lot of people that have their doctorates, that have all this experience, they do all these things that aren't always seeing the fruit that we've seen. And really the only thing I can chalk it up to, and I think this leadership thing really highlighted that is just trusting God to be who he says he is. And I I guess I would just encourage anyone is like one of the things I walked away from this, with it being such a uh a group of diverse skill sets and and diverse leadership styles, is it really doesn't come down to your strengths or your weaknesses, it really comes down to are you going to be faithful to the Lord?

SPEAKER_00 16:15

I have the guts to say yes to him, and the guts to say no to everything else.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

Yeah, because let's be honest, how how many times have we talked about this? That leadership uh nowadays seems more like saying no to the wrong things so we can say yes to the right things all the time. All the time. I'm sure it annoys people how many things I say no to things more than I say yes, but why? So we can say yes to the right things.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Well, the vision is a very narrow road, and it it's so easy to see something and be like, that would be good, and in a lot of ways, it would be good, but is it is it right to the for the vision that God's given us? And I think that's one of the reasons why we've grown as fast as we are, and why I know God will continue to use us and use Powerhouse as we continue to spread through eastern Idaho, is he put a visionary guy at the helm, and then he brought in people that could cover uh cover the gaps and cover the the parts that you might not be as strong in. But the other thing I noticed was like, yeah, I am very strong in that visionary side. I was like 93, but you were a hundred percent visionary, like as visionary as I am, and I know a lot of people, there's not many people that I can think of that are more visionary than I am. You're the one person that is even more visionary as me. And I feel like God did that very intentionally, putting you at the helm, putting, you know, uh, as you say, like a uh young Riffraff kid from Portland, bringing him to eastern Idaho and giving him this crazy vision of having all of Idaho experience the power of God. And after about a year, year or two, God said, Okay, now I'm going to start filling in the gaps and I'm going to start giving you the help you need to be able to be uh managing everything, to be organizational, to be relatable. I'm going to bring in the tools because I want you to stay visionary. I think it's important for us to continue to grow in our leadership and push ourselves. But at the same time, we shouldn't get to a point and be like, oh, we're too visionary. Neat now I need to try to be a little more organizational. Like, that's who God created you to be, and He's giving you the ability now more than ever to really dive into that even more.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

Yeah. Well, and I'd say, you know, it I think of a lot of pastors' conferences we go to, and um, for those that have never been, um, they're awesome. But I something I've realized over the last few years is like it's almost like every set uh, you know, there's at least one session in every conference where it's like all they're doing is try to convince pastors not to quit. Yeah. Like hang in there, pastors. It gets better. It's I know it's hard, but God sees you and it's faithful. And I'm just like looking around and talking to our team, and I was like, guys, like, is it that bad? Are you guys good? And we're like, we're all good. And I think the one of the reasons I think that that is, is because we God has allowed us and allowed us to lead a church and be a part of a church where we can be ourselves. I'm not trying to be anybody other than God who has created me to be. I don't have to wear any masks, I don't have to pretend like I'm something I'm not. And man, there's longevity in that. You know, if I uh you can ask Pastor Bambi when she uh when she gives uh you mean those managing tasks that I have to get done, it's probably I procrastinate that till the end of the month until she's texting me over and over again, where are those receipts, where are this, where are that? And it's funny that how those are more draining to me than preaching a thousand messages, you know what I mean? And um it's just kind of funny that way. And I'm thankful that um I'm thankful that God has used me and used us as a team, but most importantly, allowed us to be us while we do it. I think I think that's so incredible. And like I look at like uh we had someone give me a word of prophecy while we're there, and he said, I you have the the spirit of David, you're gonna lead the those that society may not, you know what I mean, may not look uh maybe surprised by. I guess that's a good way to say that you look at David's mighty men, those he surrounded himself with, they are not who you would expect a king to be hanging out with. Right. And I look at our team and we we all kind of laugh because we look at each other and we're like, we are people that are called by God, used by God, that probably wouldn't do well in any other ministry model or context. You know what I mean? Like, um but when you're faithful and you trust God, man, he just makes it happen, brings it together, and it's it's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

There's not many people that want to jump onto a train that is going as fast as we're going, that doesn't know where we are going to end up or even how we are going to get there, but are saying, hey, we trust the conductor 100%, and we know he's leading us in the right place. And obviously, the conductor is God and we're following him fully. Yeah, but like we don't know where we we are headed. We all we know is the vision that we've been given as a church and as the visionary leader, you've been able to just constantly keep us focused and in line with that vision that we are here for all of Idaho to experience the power of God. And you got that very specifically. You could have got the vision for American Falls to experience the power of God, which would have made a lot of sense to a lot of people, and that vision would have kept us here in American Falls, and for a lot of people, it would have been great. And if that's the vision God give gave you. And if you have a vision just for your city as a pastor, then God bless you. Stay true to what God is giving you. But that's not what God gave us.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

No. And uh it was interesting to me. I I laugh because I remember uh our founding pastor, Pastor Steve, was taking me out to dinner. This was the night before I was supposed to the they call it presenting your ministry. It's where you preach for the church and then they all the church votes on whether they want you to be their pastor or not. Super awkward, by the way. Yeah, because they're like, man, I hope this, I hope you know, this is one of my better messages, I suppose. But uh I remember being him were driving, he's taken out to Pocatello, never been to Pocatello, never been in this area before in my life. Yeah. And we're driving, and I see the sign for Fort Hall. Those of you that live in the area, you know that between the Fort Hall reservation is kind of shaped like an L. It's kind of weird, uh, weirdly shaped, but between American Falls and Pocatello, you're on the res for the majority of drive. And I remember seeing it, and God just like really stirred my heart. I remember asking Pastor Steve, saying, What do we do to reach Fort Hall? And he's like, nothing. And in that moment, I knew that God was calling me to not just reach American Falls, but to reach Greater Idaho. It it was interesting to me because I had no way of knowing, but over the weeks and months after I came here, God kept giving me that burden. And I was looking around and I was like, man, there's uh especially as far as Assembly God goes, there's there's a lack of churches in the area. You know what I mean? This is a hard place for churches to thrive historically. I even think of like um a lot of the you know potential campuses we're taking on in the future are AG churches that have hit hard times up there, talking about closing them down and selling the buildings, and we're trying to breathe new life into it. Yeah. And I'm thankful that, you know, the Bible says if you have faith like a mustard seed, God will move mountains. You know, sometimes God gives us faith and mustard seed to to to move a building or move a tree or move a, you know, whatever it is. But man, that same seed, that mustard seed size faith can move up to a mountain, you know what I mean? And so that that what that really shows me is if you have faith, there is no, there is no no vision, no mission too large for Jesus. And if we really lean into the fact that, you know, many of us we think we have to convince God to do what he already wants to do. And I'm not trying to convince God that he wants to see people saved. God wants people saved, but I'm not trying to convince God that he wants to grow churches in Idaho on the spot where my friends warn me, don't go because churches don't live there and God's exploding. I man, I it's because I have faith that God will do what he's gonna do. You know what I mean? I don't have to convince God, I just have to remind myself that God is faithful.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

And when we read our word, it should really come back to that is like, man, God is faithful. And you, you know, you joked that man, I haven't met very many people that are as visionary as you. And I kind of laugh because, man, growing up, I was the kid that got in trouble for looking out the window because I was enjoyed looking out the window and being distracted more than than anything else. And it's funny how what a lot of people told me were gonna be, you know, things that held me back in life, that I like joking with my friends, that I like looking out the window, that I had a time uh focusing on things is the very thing that God used to grow powerhouse, you know what I mean? It's the very, it's very mindset and giftings that God used to to do what he's done through me in this season. And it's just a reminder to any of you that if you're in a place where where you feel like unqualified, first of all, know that I'm the least qualified. You know what I mean? God still uses me, but also know that no matter what your strengths or weaknesses, if you will trust God, if you will have faith and the things he will do with your life.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

Yeah, I know God's called us uh because we are uh little crazy, and uh, you know, it takes a really uh crazy team of people to just say yes to God in the in the different areas, in the um taking on other campuses, taking on Fort Hall, taking on Soda Springs, stretching us in an area that uh has never seen this kind of thing before. Uh it's it's super unique not only to Idaho, like it's it's happening in Napa and Boise, but for it to happen over here in eastern Idaho, it's it's a it's a foreign concept. And uh, you know, we're sure we're kind of crazy. We got a uh you know, one-dimensional leader at the helm, and we got a bunch of two-dimensional leaders and three-dimensional leaders, and all these people that are kind of that uh is like the island of misfit toys. That's right, is kind of how I I look at the staff, but it's exactly who God has put in place. And I just want to say this real fast. If you're like if you're a leader of a town and you're like, I feel God is not calling me to be multi-site, he's not calling me to build some uh some huge team and be faithful with what I have. We are not saying that that is somehow inferior to the calling he's put on powerhouse.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

Yeah, be faithful to where God has called you and what he's called you to do.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Yeah, there are there are the the Peters of the world that start off the early church and they are in Jerusalem, and there are the uh the callings of people like Timothy, who Paul will plant and they stay and they they grow that church and their shepherds to that church, and then there's callings of Paul where he he never stopped, he always went from town to town for each town to experience the power of God and to learn more about the gospel message of Jesus Christ, and he he never he never stopped. So, whatever your calling is, your job is just to be faithful to it. And if you are faithful to your calling and uh you are willing to get a little uncomfortable and willing to dive in and do some things that God's called you to do, even though they're scary and they're unconventional, and uh we love the word untraditional around powerhouse, then do it. That's what God's given you to do, and there is no one better to do it. For us, uh, a powerhouse, I mean, do the future we talk about it all the time, but it's crazy. I want all of Idaho to experience the power of God. Started in American Falls, it went to Fort Hall, it's headed to Soda Springs, it's coming to Pocatello, it's coming to Idaho Falls, it's coming to Firth, it's coming to Rupert. I don't know where else it's headed because I don't know many towns yet. So I'm still learning, I'm still walking around in my Birkenstocks, but uh it's coming to Idaho, whether you're you're ready or not. And I'm just I'm so thankful to have a team that uh God's put together that He understands my weakness because I have real uh weakness, I'm not the most relational guy in the world. I'm very visionary, very organization, and I always feel like a vision or a process can fix all problems and it can't. Uh but then you turn around and you look at Bambi and it's like, well, what is she? She's very relational, and then she's organizational, and she like basically takes all my weaknesses and covers them up. And between the two of us, I feel like we give you the best uh the best leadership support we possibly can.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

No, that's good. And yeah, it's the you know, the longer I've been in leadership, the more I realize how thankful I am that I don't have to be all things, you know what I mean? And I have a team around me and that God calls different ones of us. I think it's I think it's amazing. And yeah, I just encourage you guys, like longevity is in who you bring around you, not just what you do. And it's easy to blow up things really quickly and and have it dissipate. But if you want to go, you know, if you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, bring a team. And better yet, raise up a team, you know what I mean? Leave the next generation behind you. I think it's I think it's powerful. And uh something I want to highlight real quick that Pastor Kyle didn't even mention, but uh, you know, a couple weeks ago I got an opportunity. Our our vision is inviting Idaho to experience the power of God. And I got invited to a small church in Wriggins, you know what I mean? And got to, and they were like, man, we love what God's doing there. Help us. And again, our vision is inviting Idaho to experience power of God. We probably will never, unless unless God says otherwise, we're never gonna have a powerhouse campus in Riggins. But what we can do is help that church to and its leaders and its and its body to experience the power of God so that it can reach its community. And the only reason I was able to make that trip and be gone on that Sunday is because Pastor Kyle and the team had it dialed in. And I didn't even have to text them asking how it was going. They got to ask me how it was going for me. And so, man, I don't, you know, don't be don't be discouraged and don't be threatened by people on your team that are strong in things that you're not, because man, use it to your benefit, use it for God's glory, and it's only going to make you both better. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

Yeah, I was um I was kind of I don't know if unlucky is the right word, but I was challenged when I first got into ministry with a pastor that uh saw my youth ministry as it was growing, and it got to a point pretty soon that uh all of a sudden the youth ministry was practically the same size as the the main church was, and I saw there was a lot of um insecurities that was around that. Uh so honestly, one of my biggest worries, I'll I'll just be totally vulnerable, Pastor Ty, is like coming here. I I was worried that you know, I'm coming as a former lead pastor, I know how to lead a church. Um, I I know God's anointed me for uh for preaching and I had that ability. And the biggest thing I I honestly was worried about coming here was I didn't want you to ever get threatened, and I didn't want the people of the church to ever get the even slightest inclination that I was that I wanted your your job at all.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Well, let me say firstly, if you want my job, you can have it Pastor Kyle.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

No, I'm good. That's I'm good.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Uh but secondly, I I do remember that conversation and you being like, hey, uh, you know, I'm just worried that if I go too hard and people like me and stuff. And I remember teasing you saying how humble, but secondly, saying, Hey man, if uh be like that. Uh secondly, like, man, if people here love you and you do a good job and I feel threatened, that's on me. You know what I mean? It's like I should grow in that area. And I remember you were even like, yeah, man, that's easy to say, hard to live out, which is true. But I think that uh, you know, I have a lot of friends that are lead pastors that will text, like, should I hire my friend? Should I hire my friend? And I'm like, I don't know, because everyone I know says it's never gonna work. But uh, we found quite the opposite, you know what I mean? As long as we're both humble and really about the vision and not about our own egos, I think it's the the most fun experience of my life, man. Working with your with your friends is is fantastic. It's I I wouldn't want to do it any other way. And so I'm thankful to be a part of a team where they are okay with the fact that they're better than me at other things. You know, Pastor Kyle, Pastor Bambi, Adon, Alexandra, Vanessa, um, Pastor Troy. Like, man, I could just list everyone on our team. Man, they all have things that they're better at than me. And I'm thankful for it. I'm not threatened by it. And that's freedom that only comes from knowing who you are, embracing who you are, and ultimately being confident in your identity in Jesus. Because one day I'm not going to be the pastor of Powerhouse Church. Now, I hope that's a long way off. I really do. But whether I retire or I pass away or God moves me somewhere else, man, I I want this church to go better once I'm gone, to continue to grow and to reach more people than it ever did when I'm here. And for that to happen, I can't be threatened by the giftings of others. I should celebrate them.

unknown 33:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:51

And when I first came, a lot of people, uh former pastors and uh other friends reached out to me and they they asked me, like, aren't you going to miss it? And I'm like, Am I going to miss like what the budget meetings? No, I'm not going to miss the budget meetings. Am I going to miss uh, you know, dealing with with board members that get upset or stuff? No, I'm not going to to miss that. Um, am I going to miss constantly wondering uh where should we go next? What should we do next? And constantly double guessing myself. Like, did I mess up? Did I make the wrong call? Like, no, I'm not going to miss that. That I'm here at Powerhouse and I get to do exactly what God has gifted me to do. And there's other people that are more talented in the areas that I'm weak in. Uh, like Pastor Bambi, she handles the the finances and kind of the back of house side of things. Like, I would rather jump into uh the reservoir in the middle of winter butt naked than deal with finances in the church. Like I'm over that. I don't need that in my life. I don't I don't need any spreadsheets anymore. Uh and I don't need to constantly question did I make the the right call as the as the captain of the ship? Because there's a I know how much weight is upon that. And God's given you in this season that that's your role. And I'm thankful that I just get to be like the you know, the first officer, if you will, and uh and be the person that you say this is where we're headed, and I get to be a support in getting us there instead of taking all the weight, instead of doing all this stuff that I hate doing, and sure I do stuff that you know is not necessarily my favorite, but but who doesn't?

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Yeah, if you find a job where you don't where all you get to do is the things that you love, make sure to tell me about it because I want to sign up.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

Yeah, never, never leave that spot. Well, guys, uh that's everything that we have for uh today. Again, we were talking about the the three dimensions of leadership by Jason Jason Hanash and uh just how uh we as a team fit in uh each of those dimension dimensions, how it's affecting uh us at Powerhouse. Uh I would encourage everybody, if you have the opportunity, look it up. Uh, he has a book that you can take. There's an online test as well uh that you can have. It's it's phenomenal. And uh for those here at Powerhouse, uh, man, the future, let me just say this: it's not going to be safe and it's not going to be easily um uh attained. Attained. That's a good way to say it, but it's going to be fun and it's going to be quite the adventure. So that's the best I have to put that. But we absolutely love you guys. Uh this comes out the day before uh Good Friday. So for those listening this week, we hope you guys have a have an amazing good Friday. Uh have an amazing Easter uh weekend as well. And we just pray that you guys are blessed and have a great rest of your week.