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Ep. 95 The War Is Spiritual, Not Political
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This episode of Courageous Faith is a wake-up call for the modern church. We challenge passive Christianity, expose the spirit of compromise, and explain why believers must confront culture with truth. This episode covers spiritual warfare, civic responsibility, discipleship, biblical leadership, politics, revival, and raising the next generation of courageous believers.
If you feel frustrated watching culture decline and the church stay silent, this conversation is for you.
Welcome to the Courageous Faith Podcast. So happy you're joining us today. To my right, I have James White and of course as always we have Dr. Wendell Hutchins, the elite pastor here at the Church of Champions. His excellency. Where Pastor teaches how to walk in authority and a walk in dominion. Stuff that we were told to do the Eden Mendate from a long time ago.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_02And our pastor, James, well, Pastor James also, he just came back from a road trip.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, I guess a flight trip, right? San Diego. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You're talking to me?
SPEAKER_02Yes. Flashpoint Live. That was a great uh event, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_01Yes, it was incredible. We had um a couple of thousand people there, and uh a big, big turnout, San Southern California was was strong. We had people from Texas there, we had people from Montana there. And uh it was it was neat to meet all kinds of people and believers and people that have a burden for America and praying for America and seeking revival, uh, but not talking the talk, but walking the walk, starting group, starting prayer meetings, and so I challenged them to raise up an army of three million people praying for America. Wow. And uh and then we gave them next steps of how to start a biblical connect group for America. And so we're excited about all that, and I challenged them and got out of town alive. So praise God.
SPEAKER_02Well, you got to have that. So you had a busy weekend and then on Sunday, you brought the house down. I did preach, yes, sir. No, it was phenomenal. Uh you can't correct what you don't confront. That's right. Uh which is so hard because how do you even confront you gotta acknowledge it, confront it. Some things you want to keep away, tuck it, you want to keep it hidden, compartmentalized to the side, don't ever want to acknowledge it. Almost like it's just gonna go away. So I got questions on that. Okay. But first, Pastor, you have this book here with you.
SPEAKER_01I want to show this to all of our people, all especially you leaders. Let me get this straight here in the thing. Can you see that? The Watchman's Call. Uh, this was written by a young man that I met in California. Uh great, great young man, pastor, but he's also uh the mayor of his city. And city he's served on city council for 10 years and uh a public office holder. And uh he's written a book on the watchman's call. And I read the first half of it on my flight, and it's just a sound, a clarion sound for the church to know its position in culture and to stand up and become the people that God's called us to be. I don't think people realize how close we are in America to losing. We're we're about if we don't wake up, we could very well lose our nation to an overarching enemy that is marching with tsunami power, an avalanche of influence, they have un they have unparalleled money and they have a s a very loud voice in all spheres of politics, and they're purchasing seats, they're buying votes, and they serve another God. And they are not at all intimidated uh into the shadows, they're coming out strong, and they'll tell you exactly what they intend to do with America. And so uh as late as this past week, uh they claimed that the Alamo uh is an Islamic monument. Think about that. And they've approached and made a petition to the state of Texas to rewrite the history of the Alamo and include Islamization in it. How does that that's happening in our state? Wow. And so if if the American church doesn't wake up and realize yes, it's wonderful to talk about Jesus, yes, it's wonderful to talk about evangelism, yes, it's wonderful to tell lost people about God, but if we don't stand up and live it out, and that means confront culture with sin, and we heard that yesterday. Pastor James delivered a fantastic message on this is this is this is sin, this is what we do with sin in our life, this is how we try to mitigate the damage of sin that we tolerate, and this is how we try to stay out of confrontation, and this is why we stay in this circular continuum of failure. And if you want to change, repent. It's just it's just that clear. Well, if American is going to rise up and we're going to be saved, first thing we have to do is attack it in prayer. Yeah. And we have to put not only a petition toward God, if my people who are called by my name, if they will humble themselves and pray. I don't need a politician, I don't need a city city council. God didn't say for the politicians to pray. He said, if my people, the church, will pray, humble themselves and pray, then we'll hear from heaven. And he'll heal our land. And so part of that is being courageous and becoming the watchman on the wall and shouting, this is sin. We're not tolerating this. Did you know? I'm not sure that I wasn't aware of this until I went to this meeting. They've added four or five more letters to the LGBTQ thing. I can't even keep up with the LGBTQ thing. That's ridiculous. Now it's like F M M L M M M C P Q before you get to the Q. Before you even get to the L, yeah. And I'm saying, this is the most ridiculous thing in the world. It's sin. S-I-N. That's the only three letters you need to know. So that's kind of crass. But the the point is, is it's it's um the church standing up. And so I challenged uh them in California, and I'm gonna challenge the rest of America through uh the the platform that that Flashpoint has so graciously given me is we need to raise up an army of three million people praying. We read we need to raise up one hundred thousand certified coaches and leaders who will stand up and say, I'm gonna start a group studying how God has interdicted his will in America's history. And when we go back and study what the real history of America is and the revivalist that caused the revolution, that you do know it was preachers who gave the call to rise up. That's right. Wilberforce, the Black Robe Regiment. This is where the first shots of freedom rang out, is out of a church meeting. And so when we start talking about our rich history and the texture of that history, uh so we want a hundred thousand people who will commit to leading a group, and we want to get that going in our church. Then out of that group, we're going to build for liberty and justice groups where they're studying. Now, this is taking it to a new level. This is what I'm excited about. So we've prayed about it, we petitioned God about it. God's answered the church and said, What you're going to do about it? Yeah. We're going to raise up a hundred thousand leaders that said, We'll lead in it. And then out of those groups, we want to identify young men such as yourself who say, God's given me a burden to be the change. We prayed and God's anointed, and now we've become the watchman. And we want to equip them to know what it means to run for office, how to run for office, how to assemble a team of people around you that will be your treasurer and your secretary, how to raise funds for a campaign, how to get endorsements. And then we want to endorse them. And if we pledge our life and our fortune and our strength to this, and what if we put up 10,000 candidates across America that were standing as devoutly for Christianity as those who oppose Christianity stand. Let's put two voices on the panel. One for Allah and one for Jesus, and see who's his God.
SPEAKER_02Well, this is not the only battle we're facing him now. I don't know if you know Peter Till's having meetings about the Antichrist. Oh, absolutely. He has his company Palantir. Yes, sir. And the name Palantir comes from Lord of the Rings. That's right. The guy who sees everything.
SPEAKER_01That's right.
SPEAKER_02And he's building the eye that sees everything. Exactly. And all this is just happening underneath behind the scenes. Like there's another war that we're fighting at the same time as a Well, that's it.
SPEAKER_01And you're bringing it up. This is the point. This is this is the practical footsteps of a watchman, but the war is not politics. The war is spiritual. Yeah. It's always, yeah. This is spiritual warfare. There you go. And we've got to get spiritually minded people in those offices that can conduct spiritual warfare for the kingdom of Jesus Christ. Listen, God spoke to me very forcibly, and I shared this with you in staff meeting early this past Sunday. You have got to realize that we have for years focused on, I'm talking about the American church is focused on winning people in evangelism. But we have been deficient in building people in discipleship. Yeah. And that has to be inverted, and we have to focus more on discipleship now than ever before. And that's developing people to lead. In leading in the seven spheres of influence in America and in society. If we will do that, we'll start shaking this nation. Yeah. We'll shake it with prayer meetings on Capitol Hill. We'll shake it with prayer meetings on the front steps of our city hall. We'll shake it in our county commissioner's seat. Listen, and it's not about a political, a certain political stripe. We are mistaken if we think this is purely a one-party problem. Politics is corrupted. And until we get people in that sphere that say, I represent the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ, how can the will of God be done on earth as it is in heaven? See, we're busy getting people saved to go to heaven, but we've we've done a less than stellar job in getting people ready to reign and rule.
SPEAKER_02That's right.
SPEAKER_01And until you understand government and how government works, then you won't be properly prepared to rule and reign with Jesus Christ. You may go to heaven, but you're going to be sitting on the sidelines watching somebody else reign with him.
SPEAKER_00That makes sense? I mean, I think to your point, I think what we have done is we put the emphasis on the individual salvation. Right. That that's the only that's the be all end all. That's the most important thing, is that one person being saved. That's right. And there's so much more than that. That has to be done. That has to be. That's just the start. Yeah. That's literally that they're a baby. I mean, Paul talked about it, right? You're still talking, you're still drinking milk, and you should be eating steak, right?
SPEAKER_01So um Well, and you hit you hit the crucible on the head. We have perverted the gospel to the degree that we've made it such individualistic messages that it's all about me. It's all about my comfort, it's all about my peace, it's all about my happiness, and we've created consumers.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's that's the term. That's exactly right. That's the right term.
SPEAKER_01We've created consumers rather than rulers. And I have a I have a fresh uh fire burning in me to teach. You know, I I didn't realize until I was talking to people one-on-one in in that San Diego Coliseum in that area. Thousands of people were roaming around and wanting to talk. I had a line of people who wanted to ask me questions. And and I was shocked and amazed at how many people kept telling me that they were in a democracy. And we're in a constitutional republic. And if you don't know how a constitutional republic works and you think you're in a democracy, then you won't be upset with John Thune because he can't make the Senate function. But if you understand the law of constitutional republics, then you want to fire John Thune. That makes sense? Yes, sir. And so it's you have no accountability if you have the wrong concept of how things work. We need to get people back to understanding this is the government God gave us. He ordained for us, and he handed us to steward, and we're going to get back to stewarding it, and we're going to shout from the housetop, this is the way of the Lord. Right? And so I'm not saying and suggesting that our form of government is salvation, but our form of government is the tranquility and peace of men. Right? And so we just got to get back to basics and saying, hey, this is what we believe, this is what we stand up. We're not ashamed of the Ten Commandments. We're going to put them everywhere. We're going to demand that our city officials, our public officials, pray before their meetings, and not to another God, not to a foreign God, not to every God, not to satanic thrones, to Jesus Christ, the Lord of this nation. Does that make sense? Yes, sir. Well, I'm fired up. I can tell you're that's my tangent.
SPEAKER_00You look fired, you were fired up yesterday.
SPEAKER_01I'm telling you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, because I'm not going to go and approach the throne and the Lord asked me what I did and have a blank resume. Right. We've got to give it our best. Yes, sir. We've got to raise up disciples. I want to raise up young men and women who want to run for office. And I want them to be on the panel that says, no, we're not bringing that. Listen, our teachers' unions, we tell them you're not putting that in our schoolrooms. The church is too long receded and reclused and and um drawn back from these places where combative um arenas appear. You know, we don't want to we we want to be meek and mild and not be confrontational. Right. We've got to get on the we've got to get on the committees and the schoolrooms and the HOAs. No, no, no, no, no. You're not taking our Christmas tree ornaments and decorations down from the front of the neighborhood. No, no, no. No, no. No, we're not doing that. And uh and I think we're there, I'm I'm prepared to raise up an I would love, I'd love for somebody to be raised up to run for precinct for constable's office. That's one of the most wicked, egregious things going on right now in our county. And I'm I'm prepared to start a war over the fact that we've lost the ability to make justice redemptive. Wow. When you have when you have excoriated someone's reputation and destroyed their hope before they ever have a hearing, then you've taken from them the whole concept of habeas corpus. And you've removed from them the ability to have a fair trial because you've published every one of their sins. I've tainted it. You've tainted them. Right? So you excoriate them in public and destroy their ability to have a fair trial and to g to have a hearing. What happened to you were innocent until proven guilty. Well, that's going on in our county. That's going on in precinct four from a Republican. Wow. I have a message for you, sir. I'm coming after you. Just like I did Dan Crenshaw. You better get your retirement papers in order. Because the Church of the Living God is not going to put up with that. We're coming to redeem people. And it, yes, you have consequences to your sin. And yes, you're going to suffer those consequences, but you cannot destroy people's hope and drive them into ending their life because they have no hope over one mistake. Wow. Right. We're in redemption business. And that means we apply the law according to the law and its origins of writing. And you don't do that if you don't know Christianity and you don't know the Word of God. So that's just my bailiwick and I'm on fire.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Y'all better redeem this cop pocket.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, that's so good. Like I said earlier, we well, you walk in dominion, a dominion means to to have authority but ha also have accountability at the same time. That's right. We're governed. It's more than just taking care of what you got, what you're given. No, you govern it. You do everything right the right way.
SPEAKER_01That's right. Well, you have to be so this is where the blend of um managerial skill moves into entrepreneurial understanding. God didn't give us this thing just to manage it and hold on to it and see it depleted in our hands. He gave it to us to grow. It's a seed. We have the ability to hand our children liberty or give them death. Come on. And if we live without confrontation, we're subjecting them to the end of all things. They won't have the same liberties we had.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, it goes back to what you said in the very beginning. Uh you can't correct what you are not willing to confront. And so confrontation at the at the foundations of everything is imperative. We cannot be afraid. When we see injustice, when we see when we see sin, when we see something that is not of God, to confront it, to address it, and to be bold enough to say that that's not right.
SPEAKER_01And it doesn't that's true, but it doesn't even have to be sin. We're so twisted in our society that we we don't want to confront reality. Right. You know, I've I've just been through a very dark valley with my own family and someone that is extremely precious to me, the most precious thing to me outside of God. Uh and you come to this place where you you prolong hearing the diagnosis because you don't want to hear it. And I kept telling her until we submit to these tests, we can never find out what we need to be confronting and praying. You're shooting in the dark, you're guessing, right? You don't know for certain. And somebody said, Well, I just don't want to know because I'm not gonna receive it. That's not a lack of faith. That's naivety. Yeah. And we need to know exactly what we're confronting and what we're challenged with so we know how to pray through it.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01Right? And so you know how to order your steps. So we're very much living in this isochamber, I call it, of non-confrontational habitry, because in the name of that we declare we are meek in Jesus. Jesus was not a wimp. No. And he did not wear lace on his panties if he had panties. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know. This effeminate concept of salvation is totally anti-biblical. The Savior that we have is a warrior. He came as a lamb slain, but he is a warrior in the ethos of who he is, the ethic of who he is. He doesn't, he doesn't back up. I mean, he was flipping tables, whipping people. That's right. That's exactly right. Called a woman out. That's right. In her own shame. Well, and he confronted, he said, uh, you're you're a den of vipers. A den of thieves. So we very much have, and I'm not talking about a license to be ugly, I'm not talking about any of that. I'm just talking about we we have a stewardship issue with America. We've got to get back to running people for what happened, what would the church do if we had 10,000 candidates across America that were endorsed by praying people? And so we're putting you there. Not because you're this, not because you're in this party or that, but not it has nothing to do with that. You're in the kingdom of God.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well, now you we've been told the story, my voice, my voice doesn't matter anyway. That's right. My voice doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_01Oh, it matters immensely. It matters immensely because that's what the rest of these politicians. Let me tell you something, what's going to happen when the church starts raising up three million people praying? We raise up a hundred thousand instructors who are teaching people how to engage culture through civic responsibility. When we raise up all of these people and we start running them, and we placard the nation with flashpoint candidates, right? The rest of the politicians are going to start paying attention, say, I better not cross them.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Because they'll run somebody against me.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. This is the kind of influence the church needs to have in America today, and say, hey, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You better not go there. You better not vote for that. You better not stand up for that. That's unjust, unrighteous, and we won't tolerate it. If you do with that, we're going to be running somebody next next year. And I'm telling you, even if they're not saved and don't even believe in your cause, they will acquiesce because you're the you're the voice that has power and authority behind it.
SPEAKER_02So you're speaking of starting the flashboard army. This army, three million people. That's a call. On the way here, I was driving, I dropped off my daughter. And uh I was thinking, like, man, I could I can be right no matter what I tell her, I'm right. I can tell her the the the grass is painted green every night. Because the influence you have over her. Well that and she doesn't know. Until she goes to school and they teach her these things, then she'll know I'm wrong. That's when I'm gonna start being wrong. Or the flip side of it, the school teaches her. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you're right. But until she actually starts doing her own research, their own reading, doing all that, that's when she's gonna be able to determine if I'm wrong or if I'm right. Things like that. And that's what we're doing now. We kind of just let them do what they want. We let them, we let our politicians run free. We don't look into it, we vote because of color, what side red are they blue? Who what are they, we don't care what they stand for. They just I just know they're blue. I just know they're red. That's what I'm doing. And if we actually, like you were saying, get taught about government. That's right. What is the constitutional republic, not a democracy. If we get taught these things and it get empowered, then we get to have the better discernment of what is okay, this is right. No, this is wrong. What do you stand for? We're praying for these people. We're we're having that new discernment. We're having a new right now, we're ignorant. Ignorance is bliss, but that's how you get taken advantage of because you don't know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And if you don't, like a mechanic, if you don't know, they could just tell you $5,000, but it's really a $500 job.
SPEAKER_00Well, we just have a nation full of people, a world full of people that are living just ignorant of what the system is and what's available to them. And you know, we're supposed to be a country for the people, by the people, but I don't think people truly I I watched uh I saw something the other day, and uh gentleman, I think he was I think what do they call it, gaslighting. I think he was gaslighting this young lady and he was talking about the strait of her moose, her moose, and he said something, and she responded just completely ignorant, and it was something off in left field, and they had a whole conversation, and she was just answering him back, and he was he was leading her, you know, and she had no idea what she was talking about, but she was so passionate about it. She was just so adamant about yes, this is right, yes, this is right, because he was kind of goading her along and like feeling like he was an advocate for her and for the things she believed in, you know. And she's just completely aloof. Yeah, had no idea what she was talking about. Doesn't know what she's talking about, and that's I mean, that's the blind leading the blind, is what it is. And so people we have to educate each other. That's what I mean, that's the whole point of discipleship. Discipleship is taking someone, doing life with someone, going along with them, um, confronting them when they mess up, being accountable, helping them when they when they slip and fall, when there's difficult things that that need to be confronted, you encourage them, you help them, right? So I think we've definitely had a lack of that. And you know, I think we've we're kind of more so depending on schools and everyone else to raise our children or to teach people or what have you. When you know it all starts at the home and the church. I think that's the church has to be a big part of that.
SPEAKER_02And that's why I love this church because we're open seven days a week here. Yeah, there's something going on seven days out of the week. It's not just a Sunday, and then like you said, we're babies if we're just, you know, when they're growing up in the word, we just let them run free for a whole week. Right back into all that stuff with knowing that we need to be around them to help them out. What do you got going on? What does God say about what you got going on? The way you're thinking, you're we help to confront them as well. And then I'm just one way confrontate is if we're doing life with them, we actually know what's going on and not just the high and buy on Sunday. It's nice to see you. Have a good week.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. No, that's probably one of the biggest things people need to learn, especially as Christians, is the question, what does God think about what you've got going on? What does God think about the decision you're gonna make to make to vote for that person? What does God think about the job you're gonna take or about how you're interacting with someone? Like if God is the ultimate authority and if we are living by the Spirit and not by the flesh, what does God have to say about that?
SPEAKER_01Well, you remember in and this is so um this discussion is so prevalent and powerful and poignant, but you remember Balaam in Numbers 22, where um he could not curse Israel directly. He he th the Lord shut his mouth from the curse and opened it with a blessing, even though he intended to curse them. So the enemy saw that and saw that he couldn't curse the church directly, so he changed his strategy. So in Numbers 22, you see God judging Balaam, but you see that same spirit manifested in Revelations 2 called Nicolaitans. And so the strategy changed from trying to curse the church directly to seducing the church inwardly. And that's what we're confronted with. If it so the enemy can't destroy us from outside, he corrupts us from inside. And the way he does this is he seduces the people of God into idolatry, then he entices them with sexual immorality, and then he blends them because they're so corrupted that now he can blend them into the surrounding culture. And so this is exactly where the church in America is. We we were seduced years and years ago into idolatry. Our culture has overwhelmed. We have the same divorce rates, all of this was mentioned this past weekend. We have the same things going on in culture, in the churches in culture, same formulations, right? Uh and we see sexual immorality pervasive. I mean, we just talked about it earlier. They've added four more letters to the library of sexual perverseness, right? So then the church is so overwhelmed and swamped in that that it now is part of the surrounding culture. You can't tell the difference between the church and the culture. That's the spirit of the Nicolaitans. And the curse of God. There's not many things in the word that God said, I hate.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01But he said, I hate the spirit of the Nicolaitans. And the reason that he's speaking so uh pointedly toward the spirit of the Nicolaitans is the spirit of the Nicolaitans is drawn draw you into compliance by apathy. It's the people who refuse to take a stand. You go along to get along. You're just living your individual life and you're not expending yourself for the salvation of others. I don't want no problems. That's right.
SPEAKER_02I don't want no problems.
SPEAKER_01That's it. Wow. Think about that. So it's a non-confrontational Christianity. So you justify comp you you justify compromise, you institutionalize mixture, and you normalize sin. And God hates that church. And that's where you see the separation right now. You you show me a church that doesn't want to get involved in politics, and I'll show you a church that is filled with the spirit of the Nicolaitans. You can't have it both ways now, because politics has become the arena of the supernatural. Somebody said, Well, I don't believe in a church becoming political. Well, I didn't believe in politics becoming spiritual. And the day you start legislating sin as righteousness, you stepped into my arena. I didn't step into yours. The day you tell me that demon possession is to be legalized, the day you got in my business, I didn't get in yours. So we very much have to have a response, right? Yes. And and I don't care, you know, it's like we have this character in Texas, Terrarico or whatever his name is, that is he's a bla he's a heretic. Yeah, he's a blasphemer. And he's running on the premise that he's a man of God and God is by non-binary, and he's uh r flying the rainbow flag and all God hates Christian nationalists. Yeah, that's a joke in itself. But my point is you've got a you've got a man touting heresy in the name of Jesus. How is that gonna stop? It's not until he has a confrontation with a real Jesus follower.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01He he's in a he's swimming among a placid group of people that are allowing him to say anything he wants without a confrontation. But he needs an Elijah to stand up in front of him and say, Let us pray together and see whom the Lord answers. Come on. Right? If your God be true, let him answer. If my God be true, you, sir, are gonna feel the fire of the Holy Ghost. You see what I'm saying? And so I think we have to get back to that to that edginess, if you will. I don't know uh a kinder way to put it, but we we need to get back to that place where it's it's okay for us to be um to have velvet hands and touch tenderly, but underneath the velvet is steel. We're immovable in our doctrine, we're concrete in our convictions, right? And we know what we stand for, and we shall not be moved. This is what made uh figures like Martin Luther King uh so powerful is because they could speak with a conviction, and people were moved by their message because they believed in what they were saying. Whether you agreed with him or not, you had to applaud him for standing with a conviction. Well, this this culture has lost that, and now we're being overrun by people with an entirely different God, an entirely different sect of theology, and an entirely different conviction. But they will die for theirs.
SPEAKER_02And we don't want no problem.
SPEAKER_01Oh, we don't want any problem, and all God's doing is asking us to live for ours.
SPEAKER_00I thought you were ready to say something, man. Now it's your turn. Well, I mean, I think that as pastor's talking, there's you know, a lot of times I I love to hear pastors speak just because it makes me fired up. Well, not just that, but it I start to contemplate, you know what I mean? I start to think and I start connecting dots and seeing different things and um really looking at a blueprint for how did we get to where we're at? How do we get away from where we're at? And all of it is in the Bible, every single bit of it. It's all it was all instructions given to us from the very beginning, from the garden all the way to the cross. And Jesus lived it out. And for so many of us in the church, we've go along to get along, or is it get along to go along? One of the two, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we go along to get along we get along.
SPEAKER_00We go along to get along, yeah. Right? Whatever. Um, but we're not confrontational, and we truly don't, I believe, stand up for what it is that we we say we believe. And I think sometimes it's because we don't actually know why we believe what it is we believe. And so when you don't know the reason why, and you've not had that, you've not had that confrontation with Jesus, you've not had that connection and that relationship with him, the scripture in 2 Chronicles, you talked about uh 714. If my people will humble themselves and repent, right? If they will ask for forgiveness, then I will hear. Yeah. That's when, and then I will I will I will restore their land. Yeah. And so for so many of us, we we we have not done that. We haven't had that confrontation with with whatever in our lives is has kept us from truly coming to an understanding of what it is we what it is that we say we believe and why we're why do we go to church?
SPEAKER_01And we're reaping the whirlwind of uh I mean this thing started back in the 30s, actually 1870s, but we saw it really culminate in the 30s uh in academia and education. Satan has always gone after the youth. Yep. And he's he he's in for the long game. Yep. And so we're re we're we're now seeing people, the people that are opposing truth today are are not the young radical, I mean that's who's on the news, but it's the people behind them, the purple-headed grandmothers that smoked dope in the 60s and wore bell bottoms and tie-dyed t-shirts. They're still hippies, right? Lawless. And so what what happens, that progression you're talking about looking for that pattern, is we went from resisting sin to tolerating sin. You go from tolerating sin to teaching sin, and from teaching sin to defending sin. Oh man. And so then the greatest threat then to the church is not opposition, it's the normalization of what God has already judged. And that's the problem. Yeah. That's the challenge. And so today we have to raise up churches that are not afraid to call sin. Right? Uh, we're seeing people go to jail in Europe right now for posting a Bible verse on their social media. But that marriage is between one man and one woman. Eight years in prison for making that claim. Because it's a yeah. Canada has outlawed preaching against sin. America is right behind her if the people of God don't wake up and say, We will not be silenced. You will not pass those laws. Right. We will vote you out. Does that make sense? It does. Because listen, I'm not going to be standing in a place where we're going along with what God has already judged. For me and my house, we're not doing that.
SPEAKER_02I saw this video uh the other day about someone asked Chat GPT if you were the devil, how would you move like and operate right now in this time? Yeah. Uh the answer that Chat GPT gave was if they were the devil, that I would never try to make you disbelieve that God wasn't real. I'd try to make you believe that I wasn't real.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I would make you seem, I'd make everything that's a sin seem tolerable.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Everything that's kind of like that is identity crisis. Like he would try to come in and manipulate you like sin is okay. That's not sin. That's right. He would try to put a new name on these things, make it normal, and the people who are against it are the weird ones.
SPEAKER_01That's right.
SPEAKER_02Because his his his goal is to get you to sin. He didn't care. If you don't if you don't believe in him, then you don't think that sin is wrong. If you don't believe in him, you don't think there's a God.
SPEAKER_01Well, think about this, what you're talking about. The spirit of the Nicolaitans, this is what's so powerful about this, is not primarily about behavior. It's about removing resistance. It's exactly what you're talking about. You can't resist something you don't believe in. That's right. If you don't think there's a devil and you don't think there's a problem, you just think it's people. You don't resist it because you don't want to be against anybody.
SPEAKER_00Wow. Think about that. And if you if you think about going back to the original sin, to the first time, that's exactly what Satan did was he created this distrust between man and God.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_00That God can't be trusted because he doesn't really, he's trying to keep something from you, something better from you that if you get it, you're gonna know better. That's right. He don't want you to have fun. He's keeping you from being all that you can truly be. That's right. Because he doesn't really care about you the way he says he does. That's right. And so that distrust in God, knowing better, knowing all, right, being the creator of all, that distrust separates us from him in that sin, and then we spend the rest of eternity or the rest of humanity rather, just growing further and further and further away from him to the point where not only do we distrust God, we distrust the even existence of a God.
SPEAKER_01That's right.
SPEAKER_00And that's what we're defending, or that's we have whole groups of people now that are saying, even if you look at the just the logical idea of if I if I took this cell phone right now and I put it out in the middle of the forest, yeah, and you a hundred years later you found it, and somehow the battery still worked, and you looked at just how complicated this thing is, yeah, you saying this thing just spontaneously burst into existence. Yeah you know what I mean? That is this that's this. The human brain has more computing power, it has the ability to store more information than this will ever have. Yeah. And to think that that just happened over millions of years by accident, yeah. From nothing. From nothing. Yeah. So just the logical thought process of that. And so it's illogical.
SPEAKER_01It is completely illogical. But here's where we're at. See, that this is what I told them in California. When a people no longer resist, they can no longer overcome. That's right. That's right. Because you cannot overcome what you will not resist. Yeah. It just take that down and and distill that into your physical workout. Resistance training. If you do not have resistance training, you do not build muscle.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01Right? Am I right about that? That's it. I'm not an expert in it, obviously. But if you if you're not overcoming, then you're no longer walking in the kale. And if you don't have that, then there's no crescendo to your life. And so I think there's a people ready to rise up. I think there's I think there's an overwhelming majority ready to be called up into the armed service of the Lord, if you will. I'm using military terminology, but but prayer meetings. I expect in America for prayer meetings to outnumber people that come to worship services. Yeah. I'm wanting to see 5,000 people praying. Right? Yeah. And uh I think if we do that, and then we're building leaders out of that movement with a specific call, we want to equip you and train you to run for office, to speak up in city council. I'll tell you another thing. What would happen if we had a battery of people my age and older that may be retired, that may be wanting to get engaged, but feel like I'm too old to run for office, I don't want to do all that stuff? What if they got involved and started mentoring young people? Yeah. Started talking to them about wisdom, how to make wise choices, how to make wise decisions. And then what if there was five or ten of our ladies that would just go to the city council meeting and sit on the back row, not ask for a microphone, not stand up and demand anything, not go there to be against anything, but they went in there and just started interceding and praying. Come on. I see a vision of people sitting on the back row knitting, or our knitting crew, but praying. And then finally, after four or five weeks, those politicians are going to come up, those city council members are gonna come up and say, ladies, we keep seeing you here. What are y'all doing? You're not, you haven't said anything. We're just praying for you. We're praying for God's wisdom to reign in this chamber. We're praying for right decisions to be made, for godly decisions to be made. Is there anything we can pray for you, pray with you about in your family? I'm gonna tell you what, that will build influence with a politician. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_01You're not there to be against something because let's be let's face it, those political offices, most of the all they hear is complaints. Potholes, there's not enough money, you're not doing this, you're not. What happened if the church got engaged with praying for them? And then when we did want to say something, we would have credibility. Yeah. These people have been here if they're saying something, it's serious. Yeah, it means something. Because they're not complainers. They've been praying for me. This is the kind of thing we're seeing develop across the nation. That's what we want to promote is not people that are filled with a mouthful of complaints, but a people filled with the art of intercession and saying, God, we're gonna turn this nation back to you. We're gonna give our life praying for a people to be raised up and take the banner and unfurl it brightly and say that the Lord over us is the Lord of banners, and his love, his banner over us is love. That's the kind of God we serve. So I say away with Balaam, and we uh bind up the spirit of the Nicolaitans. We will not be passive, we will not uh be indiscriminate where sin is involved. We're gonna challenge darkness with light. Come on. That's it. That's it. So, how are we gonna do it on a local level?
SPEAKER_00Well, I think the the first step, the first start, I mean, you've you've kind of yeah, alluded to it is not the right word, but You've kind of hammered it home that discipleship is the first start. Yeah. And then having those levels of you know, okay, I'm discipling you in the word, I'm discipling discipling you in uh leadership. I'm just the different levels of because there's not just one thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00This is that's what's beautiful, I think, about the word of God and about living a life for God is there's not one, it's all connected. That's right, and it's all building upon itself line upon line, yeah, precept upon precept.
SPEAKER_01Well, here's what I here's what I saw happen, and I had a conviction that this was gonna happen. I I saw it in the spirit, but uh I wanted to prove it. That's the way I work, you know, like a um a laboratory. You you come up with a um a schematic or you come up with a um construct and you say, Okay, let's see if this is going to take hold and work. Noosha, and I wanna I want to say a few things here to our ladies. NUSHA and three other ladies came up here in the middle of that horrendous storm last night and stayed here till after 10, inputting all of um the the work into our data system that I collected from California to prove what I'm gonna say. The church there in California committed to starting a chapter like I'm talking about. We had 178 people sign up in that region that will now want to go to that church because they're starting this group. That's awesome. You see how you see how people are gonna come to God through this? Yes. They have they may not be Christian, they may not know enough about that, but they know America's in trouble and they want to learn how to pray for it. Come on. They want to know how to run for office, they want to know how to support a proper candidate. What does a proper candidate look like? How should they talk? A hundred and seventy-eight people signed up, and I cannot wait to call that pastor and say, You ready to start that group? Because we're bringing 178 new people to your church. You think about the change that's gonna happen, and you get a chance to teach them the ways of God. This is another front door. We do it for health, we do it physically, we do it for education. This is another let's create a scenario where the church says we are committed for revival. We we spend thousands of dollars going to overseas countries, and we have plans and we have schematics for that nation, and we know how to tackle that. We've got to turn that around and engineer for America to be saved. Right.
SPEAKER_02And that's what we're doing. That's right. You don't like inviting guests over when the house is dirty. That's right. Clean up house.
SPEAKER_01That's right. Make it right. That's right. So it's an exciting time. We've got to get it, and and I can't wait. I I told um, you know um Mervyn has a burden for this. He's he's always been plugged in and and loves to talk about the word, and he's a great teacher. But I told him yesterday, I've got a job for you. I've got a job for you. And uh I can't wait to get him plugged into that. But just think about it. Everybody in our region that wanted to learn how to pray for America, they can connect with the Church of Champions, and we're gonna lead them through a schematic of preparing them, equipping them, leading them in prayer, and then lead them into the opportunities to either learn how to mentor a young person running for office, or be that young person that wants to be equipped to run for office and do it in the name of ministry. I'm doing this on assignment from God. Right? So now the sound is not just in the pulpit, it's in the public forum.
SPEAKER_00Go ahead. You got it. I was gonna say, so in preparation for that, as moving toward that, how do we encourage people or how do we inspire people embolden people to step up, right? Because if we're going to disciple 12, we gotta have at least one. Yeah. Disciple them.
SPEAKER_01That's right.
SPEAKER_00If we're gonna disciple 24, we have to have at least three.
SPEAKER_01That's right.
SPEAKER_00You know, two. So how do we how do we encourage people, embolden people, get people with a passion to say, okay, I'm gonna get off of the sidelines and I'm gonna get involved. I'm gonna be passionate about this, and I'm gonna get I mean, it's it's obviously our call as Christians, but how do we get people to get off being sideline Christians to be engaged Christians?
SPEAKER_01Well, they can go to FPRMChapters.com and sign up. And what I want them to do is sign up. We're gonna capture their information, we're going to identify them as hearing this podcast and Church of Champions, right? They need to name the Church of Champions as the the church in their region, and then we want to identify them and cut and call them into a meeting. And so everything will be online. Okay. So our biblical citizenship um track is going, they can take it from home online. We're gonna have a weekly meeting here in a connect group, and we need a connect group leader, which comes under your purview. You'll lead all that. We're gonna equip them and train them to have collect these people. Then we want to start specific prayer meetings for America, right? We want to start praying for our politicians, we want to pray for our constables, we want to pray for our sheriff, we want to pray for our police chief, pray for all of our firemen, right? All of our civic leaders, all of our civil servants. We want to start covering them in prayer. We want to engage them, we want to tell them what we're doing, we want to invite them to come and let us pray for them. So uh then raising up young people that says, I want to know how government works and how God should be involved in the government. And we start equipping them and getting them bold. And uh we're gonna do that through our uh relationship with Patriot Academy. Uh I want our young people to go up there and learn what it means to write a bill, to submit it for a vote, how to articulate that, how to make a defense for what they believe in. Uh, and then, of course, when you come out of biblical citizenship, we want to move you into a for liberty and justice uh connect group. And this is where we we week we meet weekly and we do things, we do life together weekly, and we pray about things and we talk about things, and then we're gonna be plugged into the the Flashpoint Network, which is what we're building, is we're going to be able to hear in real time, just like a real army, we're gonna be able to hear in real time something that's come up. Let's say something's happened in Minneapolis, and um XYZ politician is promoting this. We want the whole nation to start praying for that thing to come down or for that thing to be promoted. Right. Right? We got a godly leader trying to push something, but he's getting some resistance. Lord, we're gonna direct and focus our prayer. Three million people are gonna be praying for that opposition to dissipate and disappear, for God to show up. And we're gonna start seeing miracle signs and wonders in the public square.
SPEAKER_02Right. I I see a revival. I see a new revival, a new breath in this in the lungs of what was dying out.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because here's what we're doing. The church is inflamed with this remnant revival. We're winning people to God, but subconsciously in the seat of our spirit, there's almost a despair over America. Like, okay, we're being saved, but but there's no hope. Yeah. For uh for my life, and and you know what I mean? Like we're gonna pay these prices, we're gonna be in this deal, we're gonna have this. No, no, no, no, no. No, we're going to bring the kingdom as it is in heaven on earth. He controls the tide. That's right. And that's what we're gonna do. So that's the engineering that's going on. That's what I want to see happen. I want you to go on today and get familiar with FP Army's chapters or FPArmychapters.com. Everybody that's hearing this podcast can go on there. Sign up from anywhere in the world. This is all gonna be data driven. We're gonna have this in in a virtual hemisphere and uh and people can be equipped. And then in the local churches. So if for example, if somebody today signs up from Minnesota, we're gonna have a Minnesota site where we can direct them to so that they can start doing life together with other people of like mind. And we're gonna drive them into churches that are full of revival and on fire and believe in God to save America.
SPEAKER_02I like it. Yes, and if you love what you're hearing, go to champ.org right now. Uh that's the way you can find everything that we got going on here. And if you want something like this, if you love hearing things like this, well, we need you to partner with us to keep things going, to keep the lights on, to keep our facilities, because you know, tech is growing at an exponential rate. We don't want to get left behind in that. So you can go to champ.org slash give. Uh we have so many things we do here at the Church of Champions, Connect Groups. James, how many connect groups do we have right now? Uh right now we have nine going on on a weekly basis. Every single day.
SPEAKER_00We got a stitching crew, America.
SPEAKER_02We already have an American group too.
SPEAKER_00We do, yeah. So we're talking about American history, American history and American citizenship. What it means to be a Christian American citizen, right?
SPEAKER_01So it's biblical citizenship. Yep. So that's where we we we already have that, so we'll leap right into a for Justice and Liberty uh Connect group. So it for one leads to the other. I want to say this too. Um I want to thank some precious people who took care of my wife while I was it allowed me to travel. So I haven't been able to travel for like 18 months. Um but this meeting was so important that I felt like I had to be there. Um but I want to thank my sister first of all, Becky. And um I want to thank Rhonda for coming and and staying with her. Um I want to thank Morgan for uh the time that she was willing to spend and take off, uh spend some of her vacation days taking care of her mother. And then I want to thank Lonnie and Vicky for allowing her to do that. Uh that was a huge blessing, and the only way that I could get to go, and I'm humbled by their sacrifice, and I appreciate them so very much. And then Nucia and Ricardo, they're they worked night and day, um, and had three sister Crisia was up here, um Katarina was up here yesterday, and and some other ladies, and so uh late into the night working. So thank you all for everything you're doing.
SPEAKER_02That's what the church is. That's yeah. That's what the I mean I I have two other people. I like Johnny, I needed an oil change.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Johnny changed my oil, and I promise you, I don't know, my I don't know if he prayed over it. What he did, just the touch, it dries better than what it was before. He said it's in my head, I noticed a difference.
SPEAKER_01There you go.
SPEAKER_02And then Lillian. Yeah, oh man. Cleaned one of our rental properties up. Oh phenomenal.
SPEAKER_01Hey, I wanted to talk about that. Phenomenal. I wanted to talk about that. You have uh given us the opportunity to um host some people that we we're gonna be able to minister, and I'm I'm thankful for that. I spoke about that in California. So um she she took care of that for you.
SPEAKER_02Oh my goodness, she did an incredible job. I mean, if anybody likes to the same thing like Johnny, he was a whole another touch. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's just yeah, they take it to a new level. Well, I love every one of you, and I thank God for you. I'm excited. Take us out.
SPEAKER_02Uh so like I said, champ.org slash give. We have so many events going on. We got a dog show coming up make a second here at the Champions Food Truck Park. One of the things that we have here, we have Optimal Family Care. You can go to optimalfc.com to get that if more information on that.
SPEAKER_00Um BC Fitness, y'all have a Health and Wellness Fair coming up. Yep, it's gonna be led by Terrence Matthews and Lori Matthews. So it's gonna talk about preventative care. Um nutrition. He didn't know. Well, he prayed something. Yeah, totally. So I love I love both of them. They're very soon they're amazing people. So they're two of our coaches that that have partnered with us and uh believe in what we do, and they've um, you know, they know Elijah. Did you know that? They grew up with him. Well, we're praying for him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00They said, yeah, that boy, that boy. It cracks me up.
SPEAKER_01We love Elijah.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, but they're amazing, uh amazing people, and uh it's gonna be a good time. So a lot to learn. It's not for just the fit, it's for those who are looking to uh just get healthier and learn how to live a healthier lifestyle. Yep.
SPEAKER_02And this Friday, April 17th, women, women's worship night. Come here. Praise the Lord. Perfect time to your whole women encounter with God. It ain't nothing more to me more powerful than a praying weather sometimes. Yeah, I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then we got a flashpoint. I'm gonna be on flashpoint Friday, huh?
SPEAKER_02Friday night. You'll be on flashpoint.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. That'll be a we need some help up here for that.
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah, maybe. If not, they want to join. We can give one or two guests here. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean, do you need some studio help for my equipment? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02We're good for right now. Okay. I can think of off the top of my head. Um, what else?
SPEAKER_00A lot going on. We have a lot going on. Champ.org is where you can figure out to go to champ.org, get all the information, see everything that's going on. And it's a lot easier to know what's happening when you are connected and you're involved and you're here on a regular basis. Um, so discipleship is happening, community is happening, God is doing amazing things. We have we're on streak right now. And I think I said this at the beginning of the year. So you you talked about this, we were talking a little bit l uh yesterday evening, and you were talking about authority and walk in that authority. And I think at the beginning of the year, I made a statement that, you know, I believe God is, he's already started doing something amazing. I feel like last year was a kind of a launch or foundation for that, but this year, like it was going to be a next level of uh move of God. And we're on a hot streak right now, Pastor. Five weeks in a row, we've baptized somebody or multiple people. Yeah. Um, and uh five weeks in a row we've had uh new people coming up and asking about how to be discipled. Um so to me, I mean, that's that's what we're called to do. And that is the the foundation of all the stuff that we talked about today, right? To to make transformations and make real disciples and lovers of Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_01We have so many precious people that are coming and loving God. And I saw a uh clip yesterday, and I saw brother brother and sister Hutcheson and their son, and he just man, he was worshiping and it just thrills me to see what God is doing and the people that he's bringing to become part of our family. I'm excited about that. Very honored and humbled.
SPEAKER_00It's a beautiful thing. So I think even when you are when you're in it, right? As you were talking about being a warrior, right, earlier, um, you know, there's a lot of turmoil that goes with those fights. Yeah. But when you when you win battles, right, when you see when you see other soldiers willing to die for someone else, willing to live for someone else, um there's nothing more, I think, fulfilling, more exciting about that, you know, that just reinvigorates you. You know, when you're when you may be a little exhausted, it's just like this new wind. You know, I think that's one of the things that was so that's so good about, you know, pastor being able to go out to some of these other events and some of these other cities. Us even when I've gone, when he and I have gone places when I've had an opportunity to go, um, there's something that happens where you get a new perspective, but then also you get this new energy and it excites you even more so that you can come back and you can be even more effectual in your personal community, in your surrounding area. So um, you know, the world's a big place, um, but you know, we can we are, and not we can, we are impacting places all over the world. Um, but m even more so, we have to take advantage of our community here. Yeah, absolutely. And be the foundation for that.
SPEAKER_01It's our Jerusalem. Amen.
SPEAKER_00Oh, big news.
SPEAKER_02Um, we are in this episode 95.
SPEAKER_0195.
SPEAKER_0295, look at that. So this is special. If you're listening to this, you're gonna get a head start.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02We have a special event coming up, episode 100, right? Yep. A live event. Big celebration. Yeah, we're gonna have a big celebration, a live event here, the Church of Champions. Uh, we will have an event bright link coming out soon, or somewhere you can reserve your seat because we're be a limited amount. Yeah. We're gonna make it small and intimate so everyone can get we're gonna have cake and punch and the whole nine yards.
SPEAKER_01Or some celery sticks.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01All right. Yeah, but I'm excited about it. All right, we love you. All right, y'all have a good one.
SPEAKER_02Did you want to pray out? No. I mean, I was waiting for you to say you're gonna pray us out, Pastor. No